Cilic, Isner Upsets Add to US Open Chaos; Federer, Nadal Up Saturday
by Staff | September 1st, 2017, 10:29 pm
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The bottom half of the men’s US Open draw turned into a free-for-all on Friday when No. 5 Marin Cilic and No. 10 John Isner were upset in Flushing Meadows.


Cilic was shocked by No. 29 seed Diego Schwartzman 4-6, 7-5, 7-5, 6-4, and Isner was left winless against both Zverev brothers this year (0-5), falling to Mischa 6-4, 6-3, 7-6(5).

“I didn’t do many mistakes,” Schwartzman said after taking out Cilic. “But then in the 5-4, it was just one break, and there it start the nerves in my body and was really tough the last game, but I can win and I am really happy.”

Cilic contributed a healthy 80 unforced errors.

Zverev had 34 winners to only seven unforced errors against Isner, who was treated for a neck issue during the match.

The German Zverev will next meet No. 17 Sam Querrey, who beat Radu Albot 4-6, 6-2, 6-4, 6-4.

Streaking Canadian Denis Shapovalov continued his run, advancing when Kyle Edmund retired with a neck/back injury trailing 3-6, 6-3, 6-3, 1-0 ret.

“He won the first set. He was playing good tennis,” Shapovalov said. “He was playing me the right way. Yeah, I picked it up in the second. Stayed calm after the first. I knew I would have my chances. I converted in the second set when I had the chance. So I was happy with that — it’s unfortunate what happened.”

The teen will next meet No. 12 seed Pablo Carreno Busta, who beat veteran qualifier Nicholas Mahut 6-3, 6-4, 6-3.

Other fourth-round matches set up Friday will be No. 16 Lucas Pouille, who beat Mikhail Kukushkin 2-6, 6-3, 6-4, 6-4, against Schwartzman, and No. 28 Kevin Anderson, who powered past Borna Coric 6-4, 6-3, 6-2, against Paolo Lorenzi who beat fellow Italian Thomas Fabbiano 6-2, 6-4, 6-4.

Highlights Saturday at the US Open include (1) Rafael Nadal vs. Leo Mayer, (3) Roger Federer vs. (31) Feliciano Lopez, (9) David Goffin vs. (18) Gael Monfils, and (11) Roberto Bautista Agut vs. (24) Juan Martin del Potro.


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285 Comments for Cilic, Isner Upsets Add to US Open Chaos; Federer, Nadal Up Saturday

madmax Says:

One can only say, Holy Moly, Oh My God!


James Says:

Why don’t they make the courts a little more slow. Then Diego Schwartzman can finally win a slam.

Mischa’s game yesterday was a treat to watch – what elegant serve and volley tennis, chip and charge. He’s a brave guy to still do it, but these slow courts have caused that type of game to die. the newer players can’t volley to save their life. How is that a benefit to tennis, to create courts that destroy an important element of the game? We have the French open for all the slowbies.


Lylenubbins Says:

Agree re MZ! Fun to watch!


JD Says:

Why dont they make the courts, Fed can pile 30+ slams before he retires, just saying


JD Says:

I mean, make the courts super fast


rognadfan Says:

James, no offence to you, but your very first statement is more misinformed than the most statements the current US presedent typically makes.
Does making courts ‘a little more slow’ means making a court of wet, unsettled concrete or mud puddle? Otherwise, you know very well there are courts that are as slow as it can get and be playable.
Just saying :).

Anyway, while there might be some truth to what you mention about the courts it’s not always about that. What about that thing called the skill to execute the volleys.
How come Guys like Mischa Zverev reach second week of slams, by playing S&V on every single serve (1st or 2nd), period. Not to mention the chip and charges on every opportunity he gets.
So, it’s not just the speed of the court.

I think you gotta give more credit to Schwartzman; he really matched power for power with cilic in most points. Of course it’s easy to dismiss this as an outcome of the court speed and cilic’s game being subpar on that day.
But if cilic, with that monster server’, had a skillset to play at the net effectively, court speed would’ve been a non-factor, not at USO anyway

That fact is, the >90% of pros on the tour currently have become pros with very little training on net game (relative to groundstrokes and serve) (On the wta side, I’ve always said that the net game of almost all WTA pros is actually at amateur level, uttely shameful trend in pro tennis there).
On the ground game, guys like Diego are extremely consistent (fast courts or not) because they are limited by their body size on serve. It’s the big servers that, despite getting such a gift from nature, hardly develop other aggressive skils.

I know there is this argument that the slow court speeds have that shift in the game towards groundstroke heavy. But I am not sure its entirely true (actually it’s only ca. 40% true). Because, we’ve had some guys showing good success in SV in today game as well.
The remaining 60% truth is probably that the attitude towards net game has been lost (reasons coming from ‘many sides’, ‘many sides’).

Long story short, the approach to playing tennis is the main culprit here, in my view. Especially on early phases of training, net game is not emphasized anymore. In case of the US tennis as a whole, I think, the early training of these tennis talents have been lacking a compresensive, aggressive approach. As a result, even the big serves with powerful graoundstrokes have a defensive mind-set on the court.
Ok, now it’s coming out like a little ‘rant’, isn’t it.
But I really didn’t curb the thoughts (and the typing fingers), that’s all.
Happy weekend!


the_mind_reels Says:

Wow — Dolgopolov really taking it to Troicki. Let’s see if the Serb can get another game on the board before this match is over!


Margot Says:

^ Just seen Dolgopolov beat Troicki. Really like him, he’s so talented. Great to see him playing well and looking healthy. Me oh my he’s so fast round the court and his whipping backhand is one heck of a shot.
C’mon!


BBB Says:

Fognini just got kicked out of the tournament….


James Says:

People respond to what pays off – they learn, and coaches teach styles of tennis that will be more effective. How many slams has Mischance won, playing serve and volley??? First time in 4th round in a depleted field at age 30.

Don’t be so defensive just because you favor one player or another. Fact is hard courts today are generally slower and higher bouncing than 20 years ago. Add on the changes in racket technology – and you get the mindless rallies we see today, mostly ending in errors not winners.

Too one sided. Best defense beats best offense more often now. It should be even.


J-Kath Says:

Always loved the “Dog” – but unhappily drops his “genius” in the next match. Hope the trend does not continue.


skeezer Says:

Rafa has his dream match up;
-Mayer is a righty, one handed BH, and cannot handle high balls to his BH
-Rafa is playing a guy named Leonardo.
-His Fav tendancy is to step backwards to hit a BH.
Check check and check.


Markus Says:

How long is this match going to last? Maybe I can turn the TV off and go back to watch after a couple of hours. It should be in the third set by then.


skeezer Says:

Markus,
Typical Nadal match;
Avg point length: 15 seconds
Avg time between points: 45 seconds
(Not including Vamos’s).
Change overs: when he’s ready.
Overall time: who knows, but many hours.


skeezer Says:

Still in second set, almost 2 hours. Welcome to Nadal time management.


Markus Says:

I stopped watching. I know Nadal is going to win this match anyway. Even his opponents lose interest in the long run.


Daniel Says:

Damm it, if it goes at this pace Fed’s march will start way after 10 pm local time.

Thank gos I am at a sushi right in belly explosion mode


Daniel Says:

Congrats Djoko and Jelena, almost the same day as Serena. Maybe they will rule tennis in near future.


Daniel Says:

at least Nadal is taking care of business as he should. 1 more quick set and is over.

Yellow light for him, 3 straight matches he disn’t start well: lajovic serve for set 1, lost forst set to Daniel, lost first set today and was 15-40 down 1-2 second set.

Dolgo can still a set and so can Goffin, bit don’t see them winning, But Fed, DelPo or Thiem in semis can take him out.


skeezer Says:

Congrats to Nadal for beating another unseeded player👍


t4t Says:

Sadly the way Nadal is playing these days, we have to congratulate him for ANY win….


skeezer Says:

^so do it.


t4t Says:

I already did on my private hotline to Nadal! Congratulating on tennis blogs/websites is left to the hoi polloi!


dave Says:

Cmon skeeter @ 8:43..Can’t you at least try to hide your hate for this great champion nadal?? What is the need for D sarcasm? Unbelievable!!!


jatin Says:

Fed is in the Court :)


jatin Says:

Felincinao lopez to serve.
Lets see what game does fed bring today.


skeezer Says:

dave,
apparently you want to ignore loads of sarcastic posts towards Fed but pay very close attention to mine. Well, heads up. I think Rafa is one of the best all time players ever, but some of his fans are the worst jealous ever.


jatin Says:

Amazing game by fed. Much better start


Daniel Says:

2 service games, 4 aces including a second serve ace and 2 points won at net.

Fed knows this match will be full of short points, just what the doctors ordered. You, Lopez, and Kolas, 2 players who never beaten him in more than 10 tries, before QF.

He needs this match as quick as possible and keep serving solid.


jatin Says:

Lopez playing amazing as well


Daniel Says:

Fed is attacking the net whenever possible, he knows Lopez like long swings and needs time for his strokes.


Daniel Says:

Break, peRFect start. Lopez missing a lot and his serve is not on.


jatin Says:

Fed strikes


Daniel Says:

1 min game!


Berghain Says:

nice to see fed serving so well!


jatin Says:

I am seeing the glimpses of Aus open roger in this match. Super aggressive backhand returns, crystal clear attacking plan. Loving it.


Daniel Says:

25 min 6-3 set.


jatin Says:

Fed is serving like crazy today. So many aces :)


jatin Says:

10 winners and only 4 Unforced Errors. Way to go Fed


Daniel Says:

Federer 77% first serves in and 4 UE. untouchable in these stats.

This match could be the turning points for him, just like the Berdych 3Rd in AO.
Play himself into form. Kolas can get longer rallies but doesn’t have the serve as Lopez. Should be a good test before DelPo /Thiem. That QF match should really gauge Fed’s chance against Nadal in semis and possible title.

First things first, let’s see if he keeps this level reaming match. He started 6-1 against Youzhny last round also.


skeezer Says:

Fed is playing a seeded player…..FYI


Daniel Says:

Fed’s first serve dropped in set 2 and facing BP’s


Daniel Says:

33% first serves in second set. He has to increase that.


FedExpress Says:

Hi guys,

german eurosport commentators creating and seeing problems. They say Feds back is not okay. Doesnt move well.

ffs he is leading with a set and servinf brilliantly. Above he shows discomfort whatsoever.

Clutch serving.


jatin Says:

Lopez is serving 133 mph bombs :)


jatin Says:

FedExpress
I have no idea what version of fed they are watching. Fed is looking extremely fit and healthy here.
I am loving Robbie Koenig commentary here. He is my favorite tennis commentator


FedExpress Says:

Oh yes baby. Break.

He seems like a new player. BH firing.


jatin Says:

Fed breaks


Daniel Says:

FedEx, on the contrary, today he looks like he doesn’t have a back issue at all. His serving better, bending more, moving better. Only thing they may think is because he is looking to finish points quicker and attacked the net a lot, rushing to end some points. But from the back of the court he is constructing nicely.

You can see the way he is behaving that today he feels way better than the other 2 days, re confutable all around.

Just broke Lopez again and will serve for 5-3.


Daniel Says:

Greta return by Lopez. 15-40. Fed will have to serve big.


Daniel Says:

Yeah, ace to close.


FedExpress Says:

2 BPs saved.

Fed so clutch so far.

But is first serve % dropped dramatically compared to the 1st set.


jatin Says:

Fed so clutch and on Fire


jatin Says:

Winners all over.. Lovely….


FedExpress Says:

Come on baby

fed breaks again to get the set.

Serves first in the 3rd

masterclass so far.


jatin Says:

What a clinical display of shot making by fed so far


jatin Says:

9 winners and only 4 UE. Only 39% first serves but still manage to save all the break points.


t4t Says:

Fed is getting his 3rd gs this year! what a joke!


Daniel Says:

What a point by Fed, alternating pace, bounce, slices, angles until Lopez mistake.


FedExpress Says:

Hmmm. Didnt convert the BP.

but he will get more chances.

First set % higher now in the 3rd

2-1.


jatin Says:

2-1, 3rd set.


jatin Says:

Lopez is playing extremely good as well, so glad fed brings his A+ game tonight. The first 2 matches did a good job to get rid of rust and get his form back ( as well as confidence).


Daniel Says:

Break, 3-1 and serve. Go on a hold and finish this match. Go rest because from now on will get tougher.


Daniel Says:

The big difference today is the BH errors, first 2 rounds he made more than 50, today a handful only.

0-40,bad game. Will have to ace his a@# out.


Daniel Says:

First break to Lopez.


FedExpress Says:

Wtf was that?

Worked so hard to get that break and gifts it back so easily.


jatin Says:

Great game by lopez to get the break back


FedExpress Says:

jatin, yeah but Fed helped him a bit. Reminded me of that break at Miami vs Berdych when he served for the match in the 3rd.


jatin Says:

SOLID hold
4-3


Daniel Says:

Some awesome touch points by both. A lot of touch, hand and they both are able to execute shots from almost behind them.


FedExpress Says:

Joy to watch that game.

the volleys and volleys. wow.


Daniel Says:

Fed 1 game away. Now would be a good time for some magic shots and hope Lopez doesn’t serve too big.


jatin Says:

FedExpress
Yeah, kind of. Glad, he is serving so well. So clutch on net as well.


FedExpress Says:

6-5 Federer

dont overly joyed to see a potential TB.


jatin Says:

6-5 fed.
Hope he breaks here


jatin Says:

Fed is amazing on net tonight


Daniel Says:

Yeh, avoiding tiebreak. Great match to show everybody he is still alive. If next match he wins in three as well, than he is in contention. DelPo or Thiem has the tools to beat him, but it will need some match of their life to win 3 sets out of Federer. If his back is close to 90-95% heel… watch out! Let’s see next round.


jatin Says:

VINTAGE fed with his NEO backhand is Back… What a sight :)


FedExpress Says:

Congratz guys.

this performance gives me hope that he can actually challenge for the trophy.

nearly flawless. intensity was there.and not much energy spent.


jatin Says:

Daniel
I agree. If he continues to play this way, then Watch out.


skeezer Says:

THAT was more like it. Allez! Next rd Fed plays another seed. Rafa doesn’t.
FYI. What a joke and “lucky”?


FedExpress Says:

Good night guys.

Its already 5.45 am here. will sleep till afternoon now.

What dont you do as a fed fan to watch the maestro. especially when you see such a display like tonight.


Okiegal.... Says:

Back problems??? I don’t think so……..🤥🤥🤥


t4t Says:

Swiss magic potion has kicked into effect!


Wog Boy Says:

“Next rd Fed plays another seed. Rafa doesn’t.”

Another false statement, Kohlschreiber isn’t seeded player, the only seeded player in that part of the draw was Kyrgios (talking about lucky draw) nevertheless good try, hopping people wouldn’t know, like saying Cincinnati is the fastest HC.
You are becoming serial offender.


Wog Boy Says:

Quick check, 36 years old opponents so far:

1st round: 19 years old Puppy
2nd round: 35 years old semiretired Colonel
3rd round: 36 years old Deliciano “don’t touch my hair”
4th round: 34 years old German well on the way down

Anybody talking about lucky draw?!


FedExpress Says:

The same analysis can be done for Rafa.

1st round: walkover opponent
2nd round: unknown clay courter with no serve and groundstrokes
3rd round: Lucky Loser
4th round: mental case and basically no FH


Wog Boy Says:

I wasn’t talking about Rafa, why bringing him into conversation, besides, I am not Rafa fan.


Giles Says:

Lol. Bookies are not convinced by Feds performance. Still second favourite!


skeezer Says:

Kohls is seeded 33, F-Lo was seeded 31(although typically in a 128 draw there is 32 seeds, nonetheless they decided to seed 33.) Check the draw wogboy before you make a false statement.


skeezer Says:

Nadal may quite possibly NOT play a seed or until the semi finals!(if Goffin doesn’t get through).


Wog Boy Says:

False, you can’t be seeded if you are #33, you are just #33 and not seeded player in the draw. Robin Haase was #32 and last seeded player when draw happend.

The draw is when they put 32 seeded players on one side and rest on the other, check USO draw and there is not seeded number against his Kohlschreiber name, simly because he wasn’t seeded,check USO app same thing, but if you check skeezer app than I agree, he was seeded.

Shame on you, serial and repeated offender.


skeezer Says:

Sorry, I wasn’t using the “wogboy” app. Where is that btw? My draw was taken from the official USO site.


Wog Boy Says:

False, that’s after the draw has been done, check the number against

This is my app, sorry, TX app, stop digging yourself into bigger hole, remember, we are talked ng about the day when draw happened, on that day last seeded player was Robin Haase, Kohlschreiber wasn’t seeded player and that’s why he has #32 against his name, check again USO official app, there is no number against Kohlschreiber because he wasn’t seeded when draw happened, how hard is that to understand, look at my (TX) app:
http://www.tennis-x.com/xblog/2017-08-21/26769.php


skeezer Says:

Re; 7:13 – probably caused by Murray pull out (2)


Wog Boy Says:

^^^ “and that’s why he has #33 against his name” shoud say


skeezer Says:

Wog boy, knock it off. The draw change officially when Murray pulled out. Get with the program.
http://www.usopen.org/en_US/scores/draws/2017_MS_draw.pdf
Is THE official final draw, not tennis x.


Wog Boy Says:

You don’t give up and you are persistent with deceiving, Andy Murray pulled after the draw, Kohlschreiber wasn’t seeded player when draw happened nor he could take position of seeded player after draw happened, therefore he wasn’t seeded and doesn’t count as seeded player, full stop.


Wog Boy Says:

As I said, USO app is official, you can’t copy/paste app, so go there, check the draw and numbers against the names.
How hard is to understand that when draw is done you don’t change seeding, you already have who plays who according to seedings on the they of the draw, you don’t became seeded player after the draw.


Wog Boy Says:

^^^
“on the day of the draw” should say


skeezer Says:

This is the official draw directly from the USO website.

http://www.usopen.org/en_US/scores/draws/2017_MS_draw.pdf

If you can’t read numbers then I cannot help you and will engage no further.


Wog Boy Says:

You are caught red handed, embarrassed and desperate, so desperate that you were trying to tell us in the first post that somehow there was no player #32 between Lopezand Kohl and that’s why Khol was #33 “seeded”, can you imagine knowledgeable tennis poster to say such stupidity, so I had to remind you that Robin Haase is #32 seeded and last official seeded player.
That copy/paste thing is just draw with results and nothing else. On the day of the drow last seeded player was Robin Hase, seeding are not changed after draw, that’s why you and other cult members got the shits with Andy, remember, otherwise 36 years old would be seeded #2!

You are just making fool of yourself out of desperation because you thought you can get away with another lie.


skeezer Says:

Who needs reminding of what? Like Kyrgios isn’t the only seed in “that part of the draw”.?
“the only seeded player in that part of the draw was Kyrgio”
Oops. Guess you overlooked F-Lo in your wog boy app.

Your king of the falsies.


t4t Says:

Wog boy is right. There can be only 32 seeds in a grand slam and seeding cannot be changed after the draw. There must be other skeezers running the show at USO. ROFL!


skeezer Says:

Wog boy,
Ok I have decided this one time to help you out.
Which draw are they working off right now? Your draw, the one you found when Andy was in it, or the draw I posted from the official USO website that has ongoing results and current seeds in it?
Clue #2: they are not using the “day if the draw” draw, it changed when Andy pulled out. Thus the seeding changed.
This draw (the draw I posted from USO) is the standard sheet type draw(complete details) they use in tournaments, not a app based draw with pretty designs.


Wog Boy Says:

Stop making fool of yourself, Kyrgios was the only seeded in the part of the draw in the part of the draw Kohl came out of, Kohl’s draw, do you want me to draw it for you?


Wog Boy Says:

t4t,

I know I am right, you know I am right, he knows I am right, but he is desperate, there is not two draws, there is only one draw with 32 seedings.
I mean the man is so desperate to say that somehow #32 doesn’t exists.
Also, there is only one official USO app and that one clearly states that Khol is not seeded player.
Anyway let us see what else he will try to come up with, anothe false statment.


skeezer Says:

Re: 4:49 post. Your talking about the part of the draw that Kohls and Fed came out of correct? Both F-Lo and Kohls (seeded players) came through that section with Krygios.


Daniel Says:

This time there is a #33 seed because there were no #2 seed after Murray pulled out. so in order to have 32 players as seeded Kolsh is the #33 and apear as 33 in the draw. Cilic (#5 seed) replaced Murrya but nobody got the “#2″ seed. Just count the 32 seednpkayes and Koljs is the last one, even if hos number is 33. When in normal circunstances, in this case is annexceptuon and we have 33 number, but he is actually the 32 seed.

They couldn’t adjust everybody after Murray left inder Grand slams rules, otherwise Fed would been 2 and we would have the regular 32 seeds.

Skeeze is right. This is the second straight seed player Fed will play.


Daniel Says:

http://www.usopen.org/en_US/scores/draws/2017_MS_draw.pdf

Official printable draw from USO.org website. Proof of Kohls as #33 seeded.

He doesn’t show the 33 in his name in the app, because his name is two big, but if you click (in the app) on his name will sow #33 player. He is the last player who has a number to his name. all the others unseeded player don’t.

It’s an unusual scenario that will only occur again if a side player pulls out after the draw. There is always 32 players seeded, even if their number don’t match the 32. If another top 10, 20 or 30 player had withdraw as Murray did, there would be a #34 seed.


Daniel Says:

skeeze, even if after that they don’t understand, better do a Frozen and let it go, let it go…


Wog Boy Says:

No, they didn’t, you are really slow today, go check again, if Lopez was in Kohl’s part of the draw he would’t be playing Roger in the third round but in the fourth. Lopez was in Rogers section and Kohl was in Kyrgios section, the winners of the sections are playing each other in the fourth round, and the winners are Roger and Khol, that was easy, now try to do it yoursef without help.


skeezer Says:

Daniel,
Thank you for the help, talking to mutt and jeff is like talkng to….mutt and jeff. Off to watch Frozen ;)


t4t Says:

There cannot be seeds #33 or #34 in a gs draw. Rules are made by ITF, not USO. There must be some bright souls at USO like our Fed fans here.
Ha ha!


Wog Boy Says:

Daniel,
Who was seeded player on the day of the draw, we are talking about seeded players on the day of the draw, that’s what counts and determined who is going to play who, adding numbers after the draw doesn’t change anything, #33 player is staying #33 don’t shift the things around and keep moving the goal posts.

Just answer the question, was Khol seeded player on the day of the draw?

That’s what we are talking about, the draw, it panned out according to 32 seeded players on that particular day and Kohl wasn’t seeded, what happened later is irrelevant fram the draw point of view.


Wog Boy Says:

t4t,
I knew about skeezer but I thought Daniel is smarter than that.


Daniel Says:

Jesus, WogBoy ad t4t, nothing related to your disdain to Fed or us liking him.

Just check the bloody draw, count the number of players in it, This time there was no #2 seed, nobody got the position. There has to be 32 seeded players, regardless if their number is going to be #33. 16 in each half. Let me almost draw it for you

Offiial USO draw after Murray pulled out

#1 Nadal (top)
#3 Federer (top)
#4 Zvreve (bottom)
#5 Cilic (bottom)
#6 Thiem (top)
#7 Dimitrov (top)
#8 Tsonga (bottom)
#9 Goffin (top)
#10 Isner (bottom)
#11 Agut (top)
#12 Carreno Busta (bottom)
#13 Sock (bottom)
#14 Kirgios (top)
#15 Berduch (top)
#16 Pouille (bottom)
#17 Queerey (bottom)
#18 Monfils (top)
#19 Muller (bottom)
#20 Ramos Vinolas (bottom)
#21Ferrer (bottom)
#22 Fognini (top)
#23 Misha Zverev (bottom)
#24 DelPo (top)
#25 Kachanov (bottom)
#26 Gasquet (top)
#27 Cuevas (top)
#28 Anderson (bottom)
#29 Schwatrman (bottom)
#30 Mannarino (top)
#31 Lopez (top)
#32 Hasse (bottom)
#33 Kolhsn (top)


Wog Boy Says:

Jesus is not going to help you, that wasn’t offical seeds on the day of the draw and that’s what matters, what they do after is irrelevant, and you didn’t answer my question, was Kohl seeded player on the day of the draw?


Daniel Says:

WogBoy, I don’t care about the day of the draw, What I care is Kolsrwiberis the official USO 2017 #33 seeded players as Skeeze correctly informed and on paper he is the #32 seeded player.

You guys are attached to the number, what matter is he is the 32 higher ranked player in this open which got a seed in this USO due to Murray`s pulling out.

If he wins the USO, it will show: #33 seed Philip Kolhsreiber win the USO 2017 as a seed player na not a unseen as if Shapovlov wins it. Because he is OFFICIALY seeded.

You who are bring this day of the draw which means nothing, they shift 3 players: Cilic moved to Murray slot, Querrey also got out of top draw, Kolhsn got a seed and it was balanced to have 16 seeded players in each side of the draw..

t4t is saying there can not be #33 or #34 and it can. It’s wrong information on this blog and I think he knows it by now and is just repeating it because it’s what he likes to do.

You don’t want to admit that your were were wrong and is use this day of the draw.

Kolsh is a seed player and Fed wildly second seeded player.


Wog Boy Says:

Please, if you decide to answer, answer only with “yes” or “no”, that’ll do and will clear the things..in your and skeezers head since we are ok.


Giles Says:

Oh look fed has a new name – ” Frozen”! Lol
Give it up skeezer, you’re always wrong!


Wog Boy Says:

I knew it, moving goal posts as usual. You might not care if Cohl was or wasn’t seeded player on the day of the draw, but that’s when seeded players are separated from the rest and that’s what determine who is going to play who, the rest is irrelevant since the draw doesn’t change regardless who pulls out after draw and who is declared seeded on the paper, just because they have to make numbers. The draw stays the same.


t4t Says:

Wog Boy @10:25 am
Fed fans seeking help of Jesus? Lol! They are so used to “luck” intervening in their idol’s draw, scheduling, back injuries etc that they think it is right to seek “divine” help.


Daniel Says:

Wog Boy at 4:49
“Next rd Fed plays another seed. Rafa doesn’t.”

Another false statement, Kohlschreiber isn’t seeded player, the only seeded player in that part of the draw was Kyrgios (talking about lucky draw) nevertheless good try, hopping people wouldn’t know, like saying Cincinnati is the fastest HC.
You are becoming serial offender.

This is how it all begin, you said Seeze was wrong, because as it seems you were looking at the old draw

than you wrote on 7:23:
“False, you can’t be seeded if you are #33, you are just #33 and not seeded player in the draw. Robin Haase was #32 and last seeded player when draw happend.

The draw is when they put 32 seeded players on one side and rest on the other, check USO draw and there is not seeded number against his Kohlschreiber name, simly because he wasn’t seeded,check USO app same thing, but if you check skeezer app than I agree, he was seeded.

Shame on you, serial and repeated offender.”

You again state an incorrect fact as it is shown by now.

Only after Skeeze prove that you were wrong you start switching to: “we are talking about the day if the draw”. Which were not the case when you first contradict him.

You may be taiking about day of the draw or whatever, but he wasn’t, he was tiling about actual official seeding as it stands now on the draw.

You also mention the app, but the app shows Kphls as #33 and as I explained his name is big and it doesn’t appear if you look at your phone with the seeding after his name.

I understand you don’t want to admit you were wrong, specially towards Skeeze, no harm in that.

We are just showing the real information for everybody who reads it.
And I already answer your question, Kolhs only got the #33 seed after Murray pulled out, when the draw was remade to accommodate 16 seeded players in each side.


Daniel Says:

“You might not care if Cohl was or wasn’t seeded player on the day of the draw, but that’s when seeded players are separated from the rest and that’s what determine who is going to play who, the rest is irrelevant since the draw doesn’t change regardless who pulls out after draw and who is declared seeded on the paper, just because they have to make numbers. The draw stays the same.”

That’s where you are WRONG, the draw changed. The official draw is not the draw you want, the official draw at the tournament website and Kolhsreiber is #33 seed player.

Did you try to click on the links both Skeeze and I copied here? This is the draw that is live at the site, where they move names as they win and in the website for millions of people to check.

If you’ll watch Fed’s next match, it will show #3 seed for Federer name and #33 seed to Kolhsreiber name.

It is becoming ridiculous now, you are just denying it to not look bad.

Giles, c’mon I know you like to bicker, but always thought you had a cool sense of humor and you chose to check facts as it seems you search the web and knows how to reserach.

t4t, is just an element of chaos, he is here just to see any discussion and adds fire. He knows by now, he can not be really this d@$b.


Wog Boy Says:

Daniel,
Try to reread, I was always talking about the draw, and there is only one official draw, draw that decides who is going to play who depending on seeding players and Kohl wasn’t seeded.
Don’t put the words in my mout,?I was consistent with what is seeded player for me, one that enters the draw as seeded player, the rest is irrelevant.

And this is what your friend came up with, he just deleted Robin Haase like he didn’t exist as #32:

skeezer Says:
Kohls is seeded 33, F-Lo was seeded 31(although typically in a 128 draw there is 32 seeds, nonetheless they decided to seed 33.) Check the draw wogboy before you make a false statement.

September 3rd, 2017 at 7:13 am


Wog Boy Says:

Daniel, again, the draw didn’t change, all the players that were drawn to play each other played each other except LL who replaced Andy. What are you talking about?


Daniel Says:

http://www.usopen.org/en_US/scores/draws/2017_MS_draw.pdf

Ok, is this the draw you are talking about, because this is the ONLY one official draw? The draw as I wrote it down for you sill has Hasse as #32 seed, they have to add Kphls as #33 because, again, there is NO #2 seed. Are you able to see the draw and see that there is no #2 seed. Nobody replaced Murray’s seed, they just replaced disposition on the draw, hence they add another seed, #33. Because you have to have 32 souls playing, not 32 numbers, OK?!

If you are not talking about this draw, I won’t waste my time anymore and let you be in la la land draw on Friday Aug 25th


skeezer Says:

“If you are not talking about this draw, I won’t waste my time anymore and let you be in la la land draw on Friday Aug 25th”

Exactly what i did. lol…

No worries Daniel, he wants to believe Andy Murray is still in the draw.
…..and it’s OFFICIAL.


Wog Boy Says:

Again, draw didn’t change, nothing changed except LL playing instead of Andy first round. Are you playing dumb or you are dumb, the only relevant draw (who plays who) is the one done on 25th of August with 32 seeded players and Cohl wasn’t one of them, the rest is irrelevant, how hard is to understand that.
That’s what I am talking about and they are 32 seeded players who shaped the draw, and Kohl was not one of them, they can declare him #1 seed now, doesn’t change a thing.


Daniel Says:

Wog Boy, when the first draw came out Cilic was on other position and so was Queerer. Querrey was first draw to play Kyrgios round 3 in Fedal top half in the draw of Aug 25th.

When Murray pulled out, they have to Move Cilic #5, to Murray spot (but he didn’t got the #2 seed). Querrery enter the bottom half and Kolas got a seeding.

This is what you seem to not have understood by now.

If you see the official draw now you will now that in top half there is 4 top 8 seeds: Nadal (1), Federer (3), Thiem (6) and Dimitrov (7), but bottom half only have 3 top 8 seeds: Zverev (4), Cilic (5) and Tsonga (8). The next homer is Isner #10. So top half also has #9 seed player, with 5 top 10 and Bottom half has only 4 top 10 seeds.

It created a void and they had to add an #33 seed (Kolhsreiber), officials.

This is what we are trying to explain.


Daniel Says:

Won Boy, please, please click the link we posted THE DRAW CHANGED. Querrey on Aug 25th was drawn to play Kyrgios.

You can not be this dumb, I refuse to believe.

Sean, Tnnnis-x, please do a thread to explain the draw and what happened.

I think you were not here during the discussion right after Murray pulled out, somebody even posted the link with what will happen to the draw and the position shifted. Even our racquet bracket changed, I even asked RZ how we would act to make the picks, because players were moved. And a few hours later USO update with the new draw, when Cilic and Queere moved.


Wog Boy Says:

They still played against each other as they were drawn to play and according to 32 seeding players on 25th just with lucky loser instead. Just adding “seeded” against somebody’s name to fill the numbers (32) doesn’t change anything since he wasn’t seeded when it mattered, when official draw was done.
Now you can talk to yourself and your knowledgeable friend who doesn’t know that #32 existed and his name was Robin Haase.


Mjj288 Says:

Wow, Wog you must be really fun at parties if you are such a stickler for rules and then backtrack when proven wrong. You sound like a politician. No one cares what the original draw shows, here’s a quote from ABC.

“Querrey’s old line in the draw gets filled by the highest-ranked man who was not seeded originally, Philipp Kohlschreiber of Germany; he becomes seed No. 33 and plays qualifier Tim Smyczek of the U.S.”


Daniel Says:

Posted from the thread right after Murray pulled out.

Under Grand Slam rules, if a top-four seed withdraws prior to the release of the order of play for the first day of the main draw,
- the fifth seed (Marin Cilic)is moved into the open position (Andy Murray)
- the fifth position (Cilic) shall be filled by the 17th seed (David Goffin)
- the 17th position (Goffin) shall be filled by the next-highest ranked player eligible to be seeded (No. 37 Philipp Kohlschreiber?).
http://www.usopen.org/en_US/news/articles/2017-08-26/murray_pulls_out_of_2017_us_open.html?promo=media_wall

Thus Cilic moves into Murray’s quarter (and will no longer potentially face Alex Zverev in the quarterfinal). Goffin is now in Zverev’s quarter.
Goffin is no longer Dimitrov’s potential fourth round opponent — as Kohlschreiber take’s Goffin’s spot.


Daniel Says:

Mjj288,

Now I understand it, is not like he doesn’t want to be proved wrong and is trying to be politician, he actually still didn’t understand until now what really happened.

He didn’t understand Cilicl moved to replace Murray, that there is no #2 see player, or that Querrey was drawn to play Kyrgios in top half.

I honestly don’t know what to do anymore. He believes Kolhsreiber is not #33 seed player.

I just feel sorry, now. Speechless.


skeezer Says:

“Now you can talk to yourself and your knowledgeable friend who doesn’t know that #32 existed and his name was Robin Haase.”

Inventing what I said or know again? When did I mention I did not know there was a #32? You’re the one who brought him up. Quit putting words in my mouth that never came out.
Wow wow boy, you are making fun of your self more an more. Call it a day already. No need to apologize for all your falsey knowledge about this draw.


t4t Says:

ABC is not an authority. The world is full of bright people like Fed fans!


Wog Boy Says:

Mjj288,
I don’t do parties, and yes, I was talking about original draw.


Wog Boy Says:

This is what you said, I didn’t put words in your mouth.

skeezer Says:
Kohls is seeded 33, F-Lo was seeded 31(although typically in a 128 draw there is 32 seeds, nonetheless they decided to seed 33.) Check the draw wogboy before you make a false statement.

September 3rd, 2017 at 7:13 am


t4t Says:

Wog Boy obviously knows his stuff.


Wog Boy Says:

^^and even this was wrong because Lopez was seeded #32 and Khol #34 with Robin Haase #33, when Raonic pulled out day before Robin became #32.


Wog Boy Says:

t4t,
To late (early) here 2am, have to go to bed, the cavalry arrived to save the day for skeezer;)


t4t Says:

Seed numbers can only be up to 32 and seeding cannot be changed after the final draw. According to the Fed fans, Kohli is seeded because there have to be 32 seeds. If Andy had withdrawn before the start of play but AFTER the schedule of play is out,then his place would have been taken by a lucky loser. According to the reasoning of the Fed cavalry, as there have to be 32 seeds, the lucky loser would be seeded 33!!!!!ROFL!


Daniel Says:

t4t, Stop playing dumb.

For you, again:
Under Grand Slam rules, if a top-four seed withdraws prior to the release of the order of play for the first day of the main draw,
- the fifth seed (Marin Cilic)is moved into the open position (Andy Murray)
- the fifth position (Cilic) shall be filled by the 17th seed (David Goffin)
- the 17th position (Goffin) shall be filled by the next-highest ranked player eligible to be seeded (No. 37 Philipp Kohlschreiber?).
http://www.usopen.org/en_US/news/articles/2017-08-26/murray_pulls_out_of_2017_us_open.html?promo=media_wall

Thus Cilic moves into Murray’s quarter (and will no longer potentially face Alex Zverev in the quarterfinal). Goffin is now in Zverev’s quarter.
Goffin is no longer Dimitrov’s potential fourth round opponent — as Kohlschreiber take’s Goffin’s spot.

Enjoy the reading! ROFL


t4t Says:

Nowhere does it say he WILL be seeded. The list of people eligible to be seeded is drawn up before the seeding is done. Mere “eligibility” to be seeded DOES NOT imply they WILL be seeded. Hope this helps! But I despair!
One can lead a Fed fan to facts but 20 cannot make him THINK!


skeezer Says:

Wog boy,
Thats right, that is exactly what I said. No where did I mention where Haase was not a #32 seed. I was only concerned in the converstation who Fed was facing. I did not delete him. YOU wanted to bring him up. Keep diggin a deeper hole. I accept your apologies for your many falsies about the current and only(official) draw the players and tournament they are using.


skeezer Says:

t4t,
kohls IS seeded #33. If you cannot read the draw then we cannot help you. If you have another draw you think they are currently using feel free to post for us all to learn from your mighty knowledge.


t4t Says:

skeezer, if you cannot read the rules, even Jesus ( invoked by one Fed fan) cannot help you. USO has people like Fed fans running the show so they show Kohli as seed #33. Kohli was unseeded so he should remain unseeded as no seeding can be changed after the final draw. Merely because a Fedfan clone bestows #33 seeding on Kohli, it doesn’t mean somebody can be seeded 33.


t4t Says:

In case you did not know, the rules are made by ITF, not USO. If the clowns at USO cannot interpret ITF rules correctly, it doesn’t make their interpretation official. In other words, Kohli is officially unseeded, no matter how many “official” USO draws you produce.


skeezer Says:

“..USO has people like Fed fans running the show so…”
“Ok…now we are going off on conspiracy theories.”
It’s all Fed and his fans fault what a bunch of crock!

“..the rules are made by ITF, not USO. If the clowns at USO cannot interpret ITF rules correctly”
Someone already posted the rules MR. Mighty Knowledge. Again, if you are to post some factual link that says something contrary?


Tony N Says:

Wog Boy: “False, you can’t be seeded if you are #33, you are just #33 and not seeded player in the draw.”
The official US Open schedule of play (not Wog Boy’s app) shows “Philipp Kohlschreiber (GER) [33]” which means he is designated 33rd seed.
http://www.usopen.org/en_US/scores/schedule/schedule12.html
US Open article: “Federer’s next test will be a fourth-round contest with No. 33 Philipp Kohlschreiber” in the US Open article “Federer in fine form in three-set win over Lopez”. Are you saying that the US Open does not understand what 33 seed Kohlschreiber means?
Quoting the ATP (that’s the Association of Tennis Professionals… not an app): “(Federer’s) fourth-round meeting with No. 33 seed Philipp Kohlchreiber was complete when the Spaniard netted one final forehand at the one-hour” in the ATP article “Federer Roars Back Into Form”. Are you saying that the ATP does not understand what 33 seed Kohlschreiber means?
33 seed agaist Kohlschreiber is also on the ATP page with the US Open Draw.

Wog Boy and t4t owe skeezer a big apology for deceitfully calling him all those untruthful things.

Wog Boy: “35 years old semiretired Colonel”
Another false statement. You are becoming serial offender. Youzhny is NOT a colonel. It was Youzhny’s late father who was a former colonel who sacrificed his army career to help his son become a tennis player. Youzhny honours late father by placing his racquet on his head while saluting the crowd after each win.


the_mind_reels Says:

This has all been very entertaining to read, everyone, so thank you! In case helpful, while some have invoked the actual rules governing the topic of this discussion, I figured I’d share the actual link for those who really want to do the investigatory research.

Here is a link to the official (actual and real) ITF rulebook governing the grand slams for 2017:

http://www.itftennis.com/media/220770/220770.pdf

Section 2(F)(iii) explains what some have already stated here — namely, how they re-shuffled the draw after Murray pulled out. (It also says pretty clearly that seedings are not official until the final draw is made.)

Any vacancy created by the withdrawal of a seed prior to the
release of the Order of Play for the first day of Main Draw shall
be filled as follows:

- If the withdrawal is among seeds 1 to 4, the 5th seed is
moved into then open position, the 5th position shall be filled
by the 17th seed, and the 17th position shall be filled by the
next highest ranked player *eligible to be seeded.*

So, obviously, we know Cilic was moved into Murray’s position, Querrey into Cilic’s position, and Kohlschreiber — who was the next eligible player to be seeded — took a seed and took Querrey’s old spot.

Also, fun fact: contrary to what someone else posted here, it *is* possible for a lucky loser to be seeded under this rule (same section as posted above):

Any vacancy created by the withdrawal of a seed which occurs
after the release of the Order of Play for the first day of the
Main Draw shall be filled by eligible Lucky Losers.


Tony N Says:

Federer played an excellent A- indoor match against one of the tough experienced seeded players who beat Wawrinka, Berdych, Dimitrov and Cilic to win the Aegon Queens London grass title as well as was finalist at Stuttgart grass… albeit a player Fed had beaten 12-0 in the past. To be in a good position for the final three matches, Fed needs another quick, focused match against Kohlschreiber, this time outdoors – a player who is a top 30 player in this 2017 year-to-date rankings (Singles Race), who this year won a tournament in August, BAGELED Nadal at Miami, beat on hard courts in straight sets players like Dolgopolov, Gilles Muller, Lucas Pouille, Donald Young.
A good match to have after tough matches against Doctor Mikhail Youzhny (the former World No. 8 who has researched tennis players for his PhD thesis and has 4 wins over Nadal including a 6-0 6-1 thrashing!) and top 9 next gen Francs Tiafoe (SI’s Jon Wertheim: “Unlikely prodigy Francis Tiafoe hyped as next great success for U.S. tennis”). Nadal, in comparison, has been having a lucky draw: his next opponent Dolgopolov has won only 3 hard court matches all year before the US Open.
Unfortunately, in recent years we have seen Federer play an excellent match that generates much media publicity and fan excitement, then go flat and lose his next match. So it’s really one match at a time for Federer, even though last night seems to be really promising for him.


Tony N Says:

Okiegal: “Back problems??? I don’t think so……..🤥🤥🤥” and “t4t: “Swiss magic potion has kicked into effect!”
Two laypeople who obviously do not understand the fluctuating symptoms and nature of back injuries.
Kicking in Swiss magic portions like Swiss chocolate, muesli, fondue, rosti, raclette and Mont D’or Vacherin does not help back injuries. I have had back injuries from tennis and can tell you that these things do not work.
Maybe you are too used to the whining of the players you idol-worship (whenever their pinkie is hurt) and simply cannot understand why a player who has never retired in 1,363 matches does not whine about or display more about the injuries he bravely holds inside.


J-Kath Says:

The ITF makes the rules – whether the US ATP Officials have correctly presented them is somewhat up for grabs.

On the “debate” by TX posters on seedings – both arguments have value, e.g. it is true that you can’t have 33 players all listed.

If you go to the ATP Official Website and then into “Seeded Players” you’ll get the pictures of 32 seeded players. Although Philipp Kohlschreiber is seeded as No.33 – this is because no-one is pictured and seeded as No.2.


skeezer Says:

And….. they’re gone! Thank you TMR and Tony N for the factual rules research👍


t4t Says:

ATP presenting a picture of Kohli in the list of 32 seeds doesn’t make him seeded. ATP is simply folowing USO’s interpretation.
ITF says seedings become official after the final draw. So Kohli’s seeding cannot be changed from unseeded to 33.
If you look at how the draw is supposed to be made in the ITF rules, it makes no provision for any seed # greater than 32. Kohli, in this case took the position of the seed 17 player. Seed 33 doesn’t exist in the draw.


Tony N Says:

The US Open seeded Philipp Kohlschreiber the No.33 seed… because Robin Haase remained the 32 seed and Kohlschreiber was “the next eligible player to be seeded”. Common sense should tell us that Kohlschreiber is the 33 seed, as shown in this ATP document.
http://www.atpworldtour.com/en/scores/current/us-open/560/top-seeds

The mind reels is correct. In accordance with the ITF Grand Slam Rulebook, “Kohlschreiber — who was the next eligible player to be seeded — took a seed and took Querrey’s old spot.”

Therefore — given that the US Open Tournament Referee and on-site ITF officials understand the ITF rules — the US Open denoted Kohlschreiber the 33 seed and the ATP showed this seed designation in the official documents that really matter: schedule of play, the draw and news articles.


Mjj288 Says:

t4t & Wog are either the same person, trolls, drunk, dense or utilizing English as his/their 3rd language.


t4t Says:

skeezer: Remember what I said about Fed fans…..one can lead a Fed fan to facts but twenty cannot make him think!
I don’t blame you or your cavalry. Fedfanship automatically robs the fans of reasoning and replaces it with fanaticism or “religious experience”. Remember Fed fans french kissing Fed’s picture? I have already expressed my strong suspecion that all of you have little shrines in your homes where you daily offer your blind devotion to Fed. Not an exercise conducive to understanding facts/rules!


the_mind_reels Says:

I’ll also note that the same (very helpful!) rulebook makes clear that there is only one seeding list. I take this to mean that in the same way they don’t replace someone as the #2 seed in the tournament (which is different from putting someone in the position of #2 in the draw), they *will* have a number greater than 32 for seeds if there is a withdrawal, as we have had here. So, because there’s only one list and because they still need 32 players to be seeds, there’s a #33 seed.


t4t Says:

—suspicion…


the_mind_reels Says:

@ t4t: I can’t speak for the other Fed fans, but I don’t have a shrine in my apartment. No space unfortunately in a NYC apartment ;)

I’ve been practicing my devotion by going out to the US Open as much as possible over the last week and a half and enjoying this wild ride of a tournament. I also practice my devotion to tennis by trying to read and understand all the rules of our great sport — there’s loads of ‘em!


t4t Says:

It is not true that they need 32 seeds so they have to seed someone to make up for the shortfall when a seed withdraws.
To make it clear to you, let us take a hypothetical case. Say Andy had withdrawn after the schedule of play was out, then he would have been replaced by a lucky loser. The position of the other seeds would not have changed. ITF rule in this case, even for Fedfans, is without any ambiguity. They do not even talk of the “next highest ranked player eligible to be seeded”.


the_mind_reels Says:

Cool. I’d rather not discuss hypotheticals (like Andy withdrawing after the SoP was out) since that didn’t happen.


Tony N Says:

t4t: “ITF says seedings become official after the final draw.”
Nope, that’s not what the ITF actually said. The ITF rulebook only stated “Seedings will not be official until the final draw is made”. The rulebook did not explain what is the process for “final draw is made” (especially at what point the “final draw” IS made/completed”. The ITF did not mention “final draw” anywhere else. Common sense should tell us that the order of play on each day was based on the final draw that had been made (drawn, revised, updated and completed). Thus the addition of the 33 seed Kohlschreiber to fill the vacancy created by the withdrawal of a seed should be interpreted as occurring within the process of making “the final draw.”
http://www.itftennis.com/media/220770/220770.pdf


t4t Says:

The final draw is the one after which no other draw is made. ITF doesn’t have to define that. It is plain language.
It is clear that the seedings become official after the final draw.
If two or more of the top 8 withdraw after the draw is made but more than 48 hours before the start, then the organizers have the option to remake the draw i.e. if they choose to remake, then the earlier one is no longer the final draw. So the seeding can be reallocated and a fresh draw made. The revised seedings are then official.
You refer to “common sense should tell us” . Obviously in the case of Fed fans common sense isn’t that common.


skeezer Says:

“The final draw is the one after which no other draw is made.”
That would be:
http://www.usopen.org/en_US/scores/draws/2017_MS_draw.pdf
Thank you t4t for that revelation. It took a very long time for you to come around, but we stuck with you.


skeezer Says:

^Don’t forget to pay close attention to the seeding on that link. There may be a test later.


t4t Says:

Although the logic may escape you, mind -reels, I refuted your argument that there have to be 32 seeds
Tony N,
If you can look at this rationally instead of as a Fed fan, you can see that getting a seeding before the draw is made is of use, as it defines the benefits available to you as per the basket your seed belongs to. Getting a seed after the draw is of no use as whether you are a lucky loser or the next highest ranked player eligible to be seeded, your benefits are defined by the position of the seed position you move to, not by some notional #33 or #34 seeding. You can be called any seed, it has no relevance.


J-Kath Says:

I take it few of you have viewed the pictures giving seeding and how it really resolves all the arguments.

I give up – good luck to all of you.


Daniel Says:

TMR, take a picture of the live draw at USO premises and post the link here;-)

Even so, they will still be arguing.

Even when tomorrow match, the TV shows their seeding next to their names: Federer (3) and Kolhs (33) they will still be arguing.

They didn’t understand that in reality Kolhs is the 32 higher ranked player in the tournament, and so, a seed player and he only got the number #33 seed because they didn’t replace the #2, with an actual player. They can not see it.


t4t Says:

What Fedfans do not seem to understand is that USO and ATP ‘s interpretation is not as per ITF rules which make no mention of seeds 33 or 34..


skeezer Says:

J-Kath,
Yeah there is like 2 posters who have not viewed the PDF. So what do ya do? Grab a brewske and laugh. TMR had another great contribution September 3rd, 2017 at 10:20 am post. 32 players, 33 seeds, as #2 is out. Simple, pretty much explains it.


skeezer Says:

“There must be some bright souls at USO like our Fed fans here.”
“…the world is full of bright people like Fed fans!”
“Fed fans seeking help of Jesus?”
“According to the Fed fans…
“…reasoning of the Fed cavalry
“One can lead a Fed fan to..”
“…invoked by one Fed fan..”
“ USO has people like Fed fans …”
“Merely because a Fedfan…”
“Remember what I said about Fed fans..”
“ Fedfanship”
“Remember Fed fans…”
“..even for Fedfans..”
“What Fedfans do not seem..”

Are you sure this thread was about the draw/seedings?
Just sayin….


the_mind_reels Says:

I’m heading to the evening session again tonight so I’ll make sure to chase down the tournament referee and corner him ’til he tells it to me straight 😂.


t4t Says:

There is no such thing as seed #33 defined by ITF. USO has skeezer clones and so does ATP. The only purpose of claiming Kohli is seeded 33 is to prove that Fed has a difficult draw , oh my god , he is meeting a seeded player! ROFL!!!


Margot Says:

^ Good to see you have your priorities right…;)
Meanwhile, have a brilliant time, hope you see some great tennis!


Okiegal Says:

Will the real #32 seed please stand?? I have given up on this argument……I am more confused than ever…..but nothing new there!! 😵😵😵 Nice try guys! 👏👏👏
#USO2017🎾🗽🐂🐐


Markus Says:

t4t is very smart.


J-Kath Says:

Okie:

Re: Not retiring from matches – I think Tony N @ 1.35pm is talking about Andy, or is it Rafa? Not sure. You’ll know more about Rafa than I do….am curious as don’t remember….


Okiegal Says:

@Tony N………Fed is playing amazing tennis. That’s what I’m talking about. I lived with a man for 48 yrs who had a bad back and had to stop fishing……casting was very painful. I know back pain can come and go. The magic potion …….. would never believe that about Fed. His back is obviously healed for the time being…….sue me for the comment! Your idol is an awesome tennis player and my idol is too! These two have given us some great matches through the years. I’ll leave it at that…….Don’t be so testy……..

@JK……He’s referring to Rafa ….not Andy. Well, he can kiss my pinkie….I could care less what Tony N thinks about me and what I know or don’t know about tennis and players and injuries……crappy mood today……..


Markus Says:

Okie, I love your crappy moods. They’re Okie-Dokie for me. Keep tennis fun and don’t let anybody ruin it for you. I didn’t have to tell you that because you’re already doing it but I just want you to know it makes me smile when I see you handle those unpleasant remarks thrown at you. You’re TX’s Kung Fu fighter.


Tony N Says:

I can’t believe that t4t still can’t get this right. What do we know?

We know that Robin Haase is the 32 seed because this is in the schedule of play for Day 1.
http://www.usopen.org/en_US/scores/schedule/schedule7.html

We know that Philipp Kohlschreiber is the 33 seed because this is in the schedule of play for Day 8 (as well as in other US Open and ATP documents, as I have proven earlier). If Kohlschreiber was not the 33 seed, the US Open would not have kept referring to him as the 33 seed or 33.
http://www.usopen.org/en_US/scores/schedule/schedule14.html

We know that there is no seed higher than No. 33 (no 34, no 35, etc.) anywhere in the US Open website. Go ahead, find No. 34 if you can. We also know there was no 33 in last year’s draw, or the year before that. Thus Kohlschreiber’s 33 seeding is unique to this year’s draw.

The US Open has dealt with No 2 seed Murray’s withdrawal from the original draw in this manner (eliminating Murray’s 2 seed and making Kohlschreiber the 33 seed to maintain the total set of 32 seeds) because the ITF has implicitly given the US Open the discretion to deal with the seedings (including choosing the total number of seeds, setting the seed positions, selecting the seeded players, etc.), subject to certain basic rules set by the ITF. The ITF has not set rules on how the Grand Slam will designate or re-designate those 16 or 32 seeds – thus, the US Open’s could have been designated those 32 seeds as 1, 10, 20, 30, 40, etc if it wanted.

The ITF GS Rulebook states: “All Grand Slam Tournaments will have a seeded draw” and “The minimum number of seeded players in the Main Draw will be 16” and “The selection of seeds will be at the discretion of each individual Grand Slam Tournament Committee, however, the computer ranking list dated approximately seven (7) days prior to the tournament shall be a primary, but not sole, basis for such selection” and “Seedings will not be official until the final draw is made” and “Any vacancy created by the withdrawal of a seed prior to the release of the Order of Play for the first day of Main Draw shall be filled as follows: If the withdrawal is among seeds 1 to 4, the 5th seed is moved into then open position, the 5th position shall be filled by the 17th seed, and the 17th position shall be filled by the next highest ranked player eligible to be seeded” and “128 draw (32 seeds)” .

In other words, duh, as long as the US Open complies with those stated ITF rules and has a total set of 32 seeds (which it has), the US Open has every right to designate Kohlschreiber as the 33 seed, which it did. The US Open’s other (less) rational option was to leave Kohlschreiber unseeded even though he was in a seeded spot. The irrational option would have been to move up all the seeds since Federer would become No. 2 in the same half with No. 1 Nadal, and Cilic would be No. 4 in the same half with No. 3 Zverev, … and Kohlshreiber would be 32, which would throw the entire draw list into disarray.

Doing it this way (Kohlschreiber is 33) means most people and players understand the revised, updated and now final draw.


t4t Says:

Okie is a positive person unlike Bullow. Wonder why Okie thinks Bullow is a fine gal.


Tony N Says:

J-Kath: Is it not abundantly obvious that I referred to the specific players are worshipped by Okiegal and t4t?

Okiegal: Your original comment was: “Back problems??? I don’t think so……LIAR Emoji, LIAR Emoji, LIAR Emoji” (September 3rd at 1:03 am). Your comment with the LYING FACE EMOJI aka LIAR EMOJI (see link) cannot be logically interpreted as “Fed is playing amazing tennis” which you now claim. Don’t be so disingenuous. So I don’t care what you think of my sarcastic response to your Liar Emoji comment.
https://emojipedia.org/lying-face/

I have personally experienced back injuries from tennis so I know that “his back is obviously healed for the time being” is misleading. It’s unlikely that his recurring back injury has healed, even if the symptoms have temporarily subsided.


Okiegal.... Says:

@t4t…..Willow and I had a connection from the get go…..we are huge Rafa fans…..as you well know. We are also FACEBOOK friends. I find her to be a very fair person…..she will a spade a spade. She adores Rafa but can see his faults along with his awesomeness. She prefers to get along with people rather than not…..but she can also get all up in your business if you get too verbose with her. I stand by my opinion of her….she’s a nice gal!

PEACE OUT!!


t4t Says:

So Tony N you are saying Okie is wrong, that Fed has genuine back problems. In other words, you are “backing” my “magic potion” theory. That seems right. 36 year old man having his best year after 2009! Magic!


Markus Says:

^^ t4t is an intelligent person.


Okiegal.... Says:

@Tony N …….wrong again! I selected that little emoji because of the big nose……just like Feds!!! Lol 🎾🎾🎾
You don’t think he’s playing amazing tennis?? I might be 72 yrs young but trust me I know whether a player is playing good or bad……Fed’s back is obviously on the mend…..as I said he’s playing like it is……and bully for him u sarcastic little twit!!


t4t Says:

Hey Okie, what could be the reason for Fed’s long nose? hmmm….


skeezer Says:

Markus,
yes, truly the Einstein if our time.


Okiegal.... Says:

@t4t 11:01…….Karl Malden is his biological father????? Lol


t4t Says:

Okie, they do look alike! Ha ha!


t4t Says:

Thank you skeezer and Markus. I accept your obeisance to my genius!


Okiegal Says:

@Markus……….Kung Fu Fighter???? I love it…..that would be a great moniker……should I ever decide to change.


Okiegal Says:

t4t……I saw a you tube video one time and it was of tennis players and their look alike……they had Roger beside Karl Malden. Rafa was up against a guy named Ben who was on the reality TV show The Bachelor…..those are the only two that I can remember……..I’ve been told everyone has a twin……I feel sorry for mine!! Lol 😱😱😱


Tony N Says:

t4t: “So Tony N you are saying Okie is wrong, that Fed has genuine back problems. In other words, you are “backing” my “magic potion” theory. That seems right. 36 year old man having his best year after 2009! Magic!”

No, t4t, that is not what I said. What I am saying is that if you happened to fall down and get a head concussion… you might start talking sense for a short while during your injury… after a few days, your symptoms (talking sensibly) subside and you revert to your old normal self (talking nonsense) again… out of the blue, your symptoms (talking sense) flare up and your magic portions are unable to magically change you back to t4t’s usual self (talking nonsense). Does this make sense to you?

I know it’s a different concept from Viktor Troicki (in Montreal) revealing that the real reason Djokovic took a break was because he had played so much in recent years and needed a mental break.


Tony N Says:

Okiegal: You must have a long nose if you want me to believe your comment “Back problems??? I don’t think so…… LIAR Emoji, LIAR Emoji, LIAR Emoji” (September 3rd at 1:03 am) would be clearly interpreted as Fed is playing amazing tennis.
https://emojipedia.org/lying-face/

It’s like me suggesting you enter ‘The World’s Biggest Liar competition’… because I think you will love Cumbria county in England’s northwest… not because I think you can tell the biggest and most convincing lie.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World%27s_Biggest_Liar

I have already said that “Federer played an excellent A- indoor match” against one of his pigeons (September 3rd at 1:34 pm). However, there is no guarantee that “Fed’s back is obviously on the mend” as back injuries can flare up again unexpecctedly.

“u sarcastic little twit”??? Cut out the abuse.


skeezer Says:

Tony N
“Doing it this way (Kohlschreiber is 33) means most people and players understand the revised, updated and now final draw.”
Thank you for your efforts, but t4t/wb cannot understand draw rules/seeds, no matter which way everyone explains it. It was all a deflection that Rafa will not play any seeds until the semi final in his lucky/cupcake ( t4t language ) draw whilst Fed has been playing through them. Notice no discussion on that.


J-Kath Says:

Tony N:

If one can be a fan of a fan then I am a fan of Okiegal’s.
T4t is newish to me but I also respect her/him.

On the question of “Big-4″ re. retirements: I note what you said re. Roger – so OK. Andy, Rafa and Nole combined have a total of 11 withdrawals…..is it significant? Each to his/her own in my view but not stunningly newsworthy.


t4t Says:

Oh Tony N, I like you because you actually go through my posts and make lengthy counter arguments proving that you have made an attempt to understand. You are my favorite next only to skeezer and Markus who admire my Einstein brain!


t4t Says:

Okie, if you decide to change your moniker, you can call yourself Bruce Lee or Enter_the_Dragon. As for your twin, not sure about the looks, but if she has your personality, people will love her!


t4t Says:

Thank you JK, I respect you too.


Okiegal Says:

@JK……Awww thanks! I have always been a fan of yours too. You and I have a lot in common. We’ve had a rough two years but we are both very strong women and I believe we both have dealt with our losses in admirable fashion. We have had different favorites on the Tennis circuit but can still have mature conversations and respect for each other.

On idol worshippers……..why can I not worship and adore Rafa?? Fed fans worship and adore him……pot calling the kettle black.

Tony N……..You referred to your own comment being sarcastic……..just agreeing with you. Lol Let’s you and I agree to disagree and get on with our bad selves. We are at an impasse on the subject of bad backs and what not…….I stand by my statement……Roger’s back is great at the moment, his spectacular play proved that and I am aware it can flare up at anytime…….


t4t Says:

Fed fans are the ultimate in idol worship. They french kiss his pictures! Ugh!


Okiegal Says:

@t4t…..Sweet comment fellow Rafa fan! Well, on being loved????? I do have a lot of friends that like to hang out with me. I’ve been told I’m a lot of fun…….I have a friend who has moved back to Ada from Tulsa. She is 52 and I’m 72……there is a vast age difference in us. But we have the best time. You see, I’m very young at heart! I’ve always been able to connect with those younger than myself. Thanx for the nice compliment!


t4t Says:

Okie, you are welcome!


Margot Says:

Lol Okgiel, if I had an emojee of a pair of boxing gloves I would send it to you :) Goooooo Gal!
I really cannot believe 33 and 32 are being debated ad nauseam. Anyone would think there is no tennis on at the mo……
Get a grip folks!


t4t Says:

Okie, what makes you think I am a fan of Rafa? Full disclosure: I am a fan of skeezer. This was already revealed by me in some earlier post. Of course, I draw the line at setting up shrines or french kissing pictures!


Giles Says:

🥊🥊
Did somebody say boxing gloves? Lol


t4t Says:

Margot, somehow this US Open feels like a cartoonish version of the real thing. The debate about 32 or 33 is not to be trivialized. Whether Fed’s cupcake draw is cup cake or not hinges on whether he meets a seeded player in the 4th round. If 33 is a legitimate seed, Fed’s draw is tough. If 33 is not legit, Fed has a cup cake draw.


t4t Says:

Here Okie, here are your boxing gloves

🥊🥊

Sock it to them!


the_mind_reels Says:

@Margot: a belated thanks! Had a great time at the matches last night. Querrey was in exceptional form. Hoping for more good tennis today!


Markus Says:

t4t is incisive.


Okiegal.... Says:

@Margot 11:46……..Yeppers…. ..there are boxing gloves!! Lol
I am so confused about the seeding thing???? A draw is a draw is a draw……Yes there is tennis going on atm!!
It’s RAFA TIME!! 💪💪💪


Margot Says:

the_mind_reela: How excellent, nothing like live tennis! Nice for you to watch an American win too.
OKiegal: Watching Rafa as I write. Looking good. You sock it to them gal!
t4t: Thank you. I now fully understand the seriousness of the debate. Mea maxima culpa.


Markus Says:

Let’s see who’s having the sweeter cupcake, Federer or Nadal:
Round 1: Federer had Tiafoe #70 vs Nadal against Lajovic #85
Round 2: Federer had Youzhny # 101 vs Nadal with Daniel # 121
Round 3: Federer had Lopez # 37 vs Nadal against Mayer # 59
Round 4 Federer vs Kohlschreiber # 37 vs Nadal will face Dolgopolov # 64.

Hmmm, some genius does not know his numbers. If Federer’s is sweet, Nadal’s will give him diabetes.


Okiegal.... Says:

t4t….I found the gloves a few weeks ago…..love them!! So you like to spar with Skeezer?? Understandable…..🥊🥊🥊. I will never forget that Skeezer took time out and sent me condolences when Byron passed away. I will never forget that and appreciated it so much. So many others did too. I got one from Sean….that really knocked my socks off! I wondered if he looked on the internet to try to find proof? It’s so easy to check things out these days. There are some great folks on this forum….we all just happen to like who we like and can get a little testy every now and then when someone picks on our favorites………I believe we can all agree on that, no?


t4t Says:

Cupcake draws are drawn up based on ranking plus form. All those facing Fed are either old, injured or out of form or inexperienced. So ranking doesn’t tell the whole story.
Remember Fed ( the Proboscis) had Dolgo at Wimbledon in the first round when it was known that Dolgo was seriously injured?
In short, Fed ALWAYS gets cupcake draws, favorable scheduling and court allocation.


Daniel Says:

Tiafoe is a rising star and was on form, Lopez is on form and Kolhs hasn’t lost a set yet.

OTOH, Daniel who (17-37 career win/loss ratio), Meyer a player who is 51-67 on HC wins in his entire career and Dolgo who is still recovering. Dolgo is the only one with a positive wins / loss ratio. Yeah right, super on form those 4. LOL


t4t Says:

yes, i know Fed fans always pretend that Fed has a difficult draw. They hype up his opponents. I remember madmax agonizing over Fed facing Dolgo in Wimbledon first round. Seriously injured Dolgo was made out to be a dangerous threat! Ha ha ha! That was truly hilarious!


Daniel Says:

Who said Fed has a diffciult draw? He is facing 3 players back to back who have never beat him.
Had he not recovering from a back injury Youzhny would not get those 2 consecutive sets for the first time in his career. But at leats his opponent have some tennis pedigree.

But Nadal’s draw so far is ridiculos easy draw. Even more so than his 2010 USO when he faced Youzh in semis.

If he doesn’ face Fed in semis, it will be a cake walk to finals.


skeezer Says:

Eisntein lied about its knowledge of the draw/seedings, and is now trying to cover it up like it was joking. Waste of space.

Markus,
Spot on.


Okiegal.... Says:

@Margot….Rafa started out better today than he has in the other matches. Could it be no covering above?? But you never know which Rafa will show up…….Hey, gal so sorry about Andy. I was amused how people were saying how he ruined the USO 2017………this has been a crazy one……but no fault of your Andy!!


Daniel Says:

Anyway, Nadal up a break in third and assuming Fed doesn’t have problems with Kolhs tonight, they will be 1 match away from an epic encounter in USO, which will worth the tourney. Batling for #1 and winner pretty much assured another major title, either 20 for Fed or 16 for Nadal and proving again he can win big on HC.

Only ones in their path will be Goffin and DelPo or Thiem.


t4t Says:

No guarantees. It depends on consistency of Nadal’s forehand and efficacy of Fed’s magic potion.


Okiegal.... Says:

I have noticed that Roger, Rafa and ponytail boy all have something in common…they all jack around with their hair!! Lol


t4t Says:

The Nadal match as well as the Pliskova match got over real quick. I am watching the Goffin-Rublev. Rooting for Rublev.


Daniel Says:

Wow, Goofn down 0-2 to Rublev. Did not see that coming.

At least one of the next gen will be in semis. He was the least hyped of all (Coric, Shapovalov, Zverev) and seems the one who will go further.


t4t Says:

Goffin, I heard, is “hobbled”.


Daniel Says:

Food for thought for the fans of doping: Fed is so good that even in doping he is better thatb Nadal, Djoko and co.

Nobody does anything better in tennis than Fed! Lol


t4t Says:

Especially in getting special treatment! All hail the GOAT of tennis!


Daniel Says:

Or is it Nike that prepared the special potion just for him and didn’t forward to Nadal too, I mean, he is under contract as well?! LOL


t4t Says:

Today seems to be a day for quick matches. Even the Goffin match seems to be headed for straight sets. If Nadal can finish his match in 1 hour 41 minutes, Fed will finish his in less than an hour!


t4t Says:

Remember when IMG was sponsoring both, the boss of IMG ( Forstmann?) bet on Fed to win the French Open (2007). No doubt he also arranged for special treatment for the CHOSEN ONE!


t4t Says:

Now if I were a Nadal fan, I would have been rooting for the “hobbled” Goffin.


Okiegal.... Says:

@t4t 2:50…….I was!!! 😜😜😜


t4t Says:

Let us hope the fearsome “seeded” player called Kohli cooks Fed’s “goat”!


Giles Says:

^^^ ROFL


Markus Says:

t4t is very funny.


skeezer Says:

Hawkeye is funny also? I thought it was just a unknowing genius.


skeezer Says:

Now it believes in Kohls being seeded. ROFL.


skeezer Says:

Wow Theim taking it to Delpo first set in the bag and up 3-0 in the 2nd…


skeezer Says:

Well obviously Delpo is unwell…..that doesn’t help.


Markus Says:

While some hope Federer loses to Kohlschreiber, I, on the other hand, wishes Nadal would win over Rublev. If Federer does not win this US Open, It might as well be Nadal. 2017 should belong to those two.


skeezer Says:

^ I agree there Markus! Was happy when the “real draw” came out they were in the same half. Fed is 3-0 against Rafa this year, let’s see if Rafa can break the cycle. Not hopeful for Fed if he goes 5 sets the next round however. That is the key for me. If he can through the next guy ( looks like Theim atm ) in 3 or 4 then should be a good battle.


Daniel Says:

Commentaries said DelPo has fever. Just routine and he doesn’t want to retire.

Let’s see if Fed keeps the trend of all matches in three straight sets today.


Okiegal.... Says:

That was so cute when Del Po connected with Fish on the side lines……I loved Marty’s sly grin back to him……plus Mr. Fish be rockin’ that beard…..he looks sharp today, very handsome!!


Okiegal.... Says:

DP on a roll atm….


Markus Says:

I am really hoping for a Federer-Nadal match at the US Open. Nothing beats the excitement of a Fedal duel. It does not matter what people say for or against any of these two, their matches are unparalleled because these two are going down as the two best tennis players of all time. They already are.


Okiegal.... Says:

The Argentines giving DeL Po great support today. Let’s see if he can turn this match around!


J-Kath Says:

Skeezer:

Excuse my ignorance but who is Hawkeye….are you referring to the court hawkeye which decides whether ball in or out?


Daniel Says:

Talk too soon. DelPo showing trie grit and fighting back.

Wom third and a break up in fourth. But close game as he serves


BBB Says:

I’m not really understanding what Mouratoglu brings to the table for purposes of ESPN commentary.


Daniel Says:

Wow, what an end of a match. Missed the third and beggining of this set. But heard DelPo saced 2 MP’s and now Thiem just save a MP.

Amazing. Not even wanting to watch Fed math


RZ Says:

What a heartbreaking loss for Thiem. 😭😢
hopefully he will take this as a learning experience and not Had it messed with his head and future matches.

Well done to DelPo, who really deserve some good results and fought for this win.


jatin Says:

Fed takes the medicial timeout after leading 2-0.
I hope nothing is serious :(


Markus Says:

Those last two sets are probably the most astounding I have ever seen. This is the kind of match where I feel as equally happy for the winner as I am sad for the loser. The crowd was definitely a factor in this match.


jatin Says:

Meanwhile, delop played an amazimg match showing heart and grit. Sad for theim though.
It could be a USO 2009 final rematch.


Markus Says:

Take away your bias and you’d know and admit that Federer isn’t 100% physically in this US Open.


FedExpress Says:

he is moving quite well for not being 100%

Every tennis play is not at 100% after 3/4 of the season


Daniel Says:

Fed’s BH is on. That shot indicate his level nowadays. First 2 matches it was off, more than 50UE from that wing. This last 2 matches he is educing UE and UE BH errors.

Today he is serving better and didn’t face a single BP so far.


Daniel Says:

Another 0-30 game Fed couldn’t capitalize. Now will serve under pressure.


FedExpress Says:

Federer, end this. I need sleep.

twice he had 0-30 in this set but couldnt break.


Daniel Says:

Awesome game two break. Now focus and serve for the match and go rest.

Delpo next, which I think will be somehow spent and than Fedal!


t4t Says:

For Fed’s MTO
👺👺👺👺


jatin Says:

Very nice and dominating performance by fed.
Its fed vs delpo now. :)


Markus Says:

t4t is an artist.


Markus Says:

FedExpress, you sound like you don’t know what I was talking about. If we stick to the strictest definition of the word, nobody, especially atheletes, is physically 100% at any time.


Daniel Says:

Too bad DelPo is in this side of the draw, if he was on the other side, he would be heavy favorite to reach another final.

Maybe he still can, last USO he won he beat Nadal and Fed back to back, now he would have to do it reverse.

I have a strange Feeling Querrey as #17 may win the whole thing, just like Fed was #17 when he won AO.

He had Wimby semis and last 2 year beat worlds #1 in Wimby and with last night performance pus the help of the crowd he can do it. If his serve is clicking and he is mentally strong on the day of final (not overwhelmed by the occasion and satisfied with finals), he has a chance.


skeezer Says:

J-kath,
Ask t4t.
——
Delpo, amazing. What a comeback congrats!

Welldone Fed! Much more entertaining than the cupcake draw master Nadal. Who does Rafa play next? Another UNseeded player.


t4t Says:

JK I have no idea why he is calling me a line calling system. Maybe he thinks I am without bias and will always decide based on facts I collect. Thank you skeezer!


t4t Says:

cupcake draw for Fed: look at rank, age and h2h before the match

R1: Tiafoe: age 19, rank 70, h2h 0-1
R2: Youzhny: age 35, rank 101, h2h 0-16
R3: Lopez: age 35, rank 35, h2h: 0-12
R4: Kohli: age 33, rank 37, h2h 0-12
To summarize, age either below 20 or above 30 and h2h reveals they had never beaten Fed before (the oldies had met him earlier on at least 11 occasions. In other words, Fed owns all of them.) Special draw for the GOAT!


skeezer Says:

Apparently the really truly smart one has its own seeding system. Sorry, your not the ATP.
Hope you enjoyed Feds match…oh and wake me up when the day comes that Rafa plays a seed.
#cupcakemaximus


Okiegal Says:

Enough of the bakery talk already!! You guys are stirring up my sweet tooth!🍩🍰🍪🍦🍮 lol!


t4t Says:

skeezer, Why are you talking about Nadal? Why is that relevant?
The data I have presented shows that only those whom Fed is sure of beating were in his path. Maybe he played two 5 setters because he was in need of match practice. He was never in danger of losing!


Anto Says:

@t4t and @skeezer. Put aside you hatred and biases and you will both see Nadal and Fed so far had a cupcake draw. But when you consider the the next round for both players on paper Fed have a far tougher match than Nadal. But Fed will probably be playing against a fatigued or fever induced Delpo and probably making it an easier match for him. As for Nadal he does have a special thing with losing to teenagers unseeded or not.
But no matter what they each will probably have to go through each other to win the title (To me thats more than enough Winning a GS beating a Big 4)


skeezer Says:

Wouldn’t have a problem with Delpo beating Fed in the next rd, how can not like the guy? Besides, its been all gravy this year for Fed….


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