Federer Rallies To Beat Del Potro, To Meet Nadal In Shanghai Final
by Staff | October 14th, 2017, 7:17 pm
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There’s no surprise in Shanghai this year as the No. 1 and 2 seeded players, Rafael Nadal and Roger Federer, advanced to a super showdown on Sunday.

The 38th meeting between the two legends – which will feature the most Grand Slam champions ever on a singles court (35 total) – was sealed when Federer rallied from a set down to beat Juan Martin del Potro in the semifinals 3-6, 6-3, 6-3, and avenging a loss to him at the US Open.

Del Potro was in control early before the Swiss converted at 3-2 in the second during a lengthy game in which the fans agitated the Argentine. And Federer never faced a break point after the first, and he broke del Potro twice early on in the second.

“He took the confidence after that game. He broke me and he started to play more aggressive. He served much better after that game,” said del Potro. “I was a little upset with something. Nothing about tennis. And you cannot give any advantage against these guys.”

Del Potro came into the match after suffering a contusion to his left wrist.

Meanwhile, Nadal upped his win streak to 16 after easing past Marin Cilic 7-5, 7-6(3).

“Very happy. Of course I played I think a very high level of tennis,” Nadal said. “Was a great match again. I don’t know what he said, if he already talked or what he’s going to say later, I don’t know, but in my opinion, he played well, too. Was a great, good quality of tennis this afternoon.”

Cilic played well but was ultimately undone by 40 unforced errors.

“I was hitting unbelievable shots off the ground, and against other guys they would be winners,” Cilic said. “Or just with serving, serving well, that would be either an ace or winner, and he makes you play another shot.”

The win was Nadal’s 871st of his career moving him past Andre Agassi alone in sixth place on the Open Era wins list. Tomorrow, Nadal is trying to win a record 31st Masters title, which would break the tie he shares with Novak Djokovic, and extend his tour lead in titles this year to seven.

Federer is seeking a sixth title of the year, which would match Nadal, and put some pressure on the Spaniard in the No. 1 race.

In this 38th meeting, Nadal leads 23-14 however Federer has won the last four including three this year.

“I think for that I’m happy about the losses I took,” Federer said of the rivalry. “Took them on the chin and kept moving forward. It’s nice at this late stage of the career that we still have these matches going on.”

While Federer is seeking a second Shanghai title, Nadal is bidding for his first.

“I’m going to do my thing. I know what I have to do. I know it’s very difficult, and especially in this kind of surface. But the most important thing for me is play at my highest level,” Nadal said. “If that happens, I hope to have my chances. If that doesn’t happen, the chances will be much less. But I am playing well, and I am focused on trying to make that happen.”

After the loss, del Potro tipped Federer in the final.

“I think the court helps his game a lot, and he always is in good shape,” del Potro said. “He looks like an unbelievable athlete. I think on this court not many players can beat him. Maybe Rafa tomorrow, but if not, he’s the only one who can play an excellent tennis on this faster surface.

“Rafa is playing so good, but I think Roger could win if he feels the ball really, really well. Because the court is so fast, and for the game of Roger it is much better than Rafa’s game, but Rafa is a fighter and he never gives up. It will be interesting to watch.”

Match time tomorrow in 4:30am ET. Tennis Channel will broadcast the match live.

SUNDAY SHANGHAI SCHEDULE
STADIUM start 1:30 pm
[1] H. Kontinen (FIN) / J. Peers (AUS) vs [2] L. Kubot (POL) / M. Melo (BRA)

Not Before 4:30 pm
[1] R. Nadal (ESP) vs [2] R. Federer (SUI)


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168 Comments for Federer Rallies To Beat Del Potro, To Meet Nadal In Shanghai Final

Humble Rafa Says:

Why just staff? Is SR on vacation. His jinx always works well.


t4t Says:

Fed has been well rested the whole week, his toughest match being against an injured guy who was even considering giving a walk over. Lol!
So advantage Fed, once more the bene of a cupcake draw.
In the interests of cosmic justice, I hope Nadal somehow finds the energy to slaughter the so-called goat.


skeezer Says:

^re; injured player. Obviously didn’t watch the match. Moving on….


t4t Says:

Fed is cunning. He knew Delpo could not really challenge him with a bum wrist if the match went to 3 sets. He did not strain himself in the first set letting Delpo exert himself and further injure his bum wrist. Fed then raised his level in one game in the second to break Delpo (not difficult when Delpo is injured). Delpo was done. With his injury, he couldn’t do much in the 3rd set.
So Fed had a walk in the park and arrives at the final fully rested with Nadal totally gassed just as Fed and his lackeys had planned.


t4t Says:

Fed fans have this habit of discounting or wholly ignoring the injuries of Fed’s opponents in order to claim that Fed had a tough opponent. I remember how madmax agonized over Fed facing a tough opponent in Dolgo at Wimbly although it was reported that Dolgo had been seriously injured one or two weeks earlier. While he was expected not to play, he played and retired in the second set. Now skeezer and the cult claim that the injured Delpo was not injured. Pathetic! But with the cakewalk draws that Fed is magically bestowed every time, I guess Fed fans have no option but to pretend that the injured opponents are tough!!!


J.S. Says:

So what’s the game plan for Roger to beat Rafa in finals? Let Rafa win first set and exhaust him? Not sure any of those “plans” will work with Rafa….the guy would pass out on court before he would give in! If what you are saying about Federer is true ,they better have another plan vs. Rafa.

I hope Rafa causes the upset – nothing would make me happier! Roger can have Basel


skeezer Says:

I think you’ve carefully covered all the imaginary facts. Like Delpo is part of a cupcake draw,
You would have to go back to USO and Rafa to find the lastest soft draw, and everyone knows it. You have an xcellant imagination though, keep it comin’.


FedExpress Says:

Should I remind you of Rafa’s USO draw?

Did you even watch the match?


Wog Boy Says:

Anyone who saw Delpo vs Zverev match could see difference between Delpo’s BH against Zverev and last night against 36 years old, but obviously they watched only one match.
Delpo’s BH from Zverev match, that won him that match was nowhere to be seen last night, plus that was Delpo’s fourt three setter in the last five days. He was done and dusted before match even started, yet he decided to fight best he could instead of doing WO, hurt and exhausted against well rested opponent and yet that opponent (36 years old) was pretty edgy and grumpy for whatever reason.


J.S. Says:

BUT Roger could have played Rafa at USO if he hadn’t lost early…..just saying! I think draws are just “draws” you have to beat who is put in front of you.

Shanghai announcer introduced Roger as GOAT! They better have more class on introductions with both men tonight…..That’s unacceptable and disrespectful to their opponents including delPorto. CRINGING~~


Wog Boy Says:

There is nothing, but absolutely nothing in Shanghai that favors Rafa, he is underdog in this match by all means.
Court speed, court bounce, indoor, much tougher road to final, fans that don’t really behave by tennis ethics….


Michael Says:

Well another Roger Vs Rafa final and the fans just do not get tired watching their exploits on court. Roger should be the slight favourite in this contest given the fast court conditions and that he no longer has that mental block against Rafa as he had acquired earlier in his career. He has already beat Rafa in the finals here in 2009. So the edge is with him. But Rafa cannot be discounted knowing who he is. In all, a very pulsating and marquee contest is on the cards.


Vince Says:

/* Should I remind you of Rafa’s USO draw?*/

Same draw was for Fed as well. He didn’t make to semi to face Rafa..


J.S. Says:

Yep! Most are saying Federer has the advantage…

Rafa will have as many fans as Roger, so that won’t be an issue in this match w/ crowd!


jatin Says:

16 minutes to go :)


J.S. Says:

SO EXCITED!!!! I am watching – maybe the clean shaven player has the advantage :)
Here we gooooooooo~!


gonzalowski Says:

good that Rafa is used to hostile crowd, as at RG.
Oh, Rafa with a bandage…hmm skipping Basel after this??


jatin Says:

Break chance for Fed…. Comon


jatin Says:

Rafa going for the forehand. Great tactic


Willow Says:

Better than sex ….


jatin Says:

Madmax, Fed Express, Daniel.. Hope to see you guys here soon


jatin Says:

BANG… Backhand on fire


jatin Says:

Willow…. LOL
Great to see you here


gonzalowski Says:

s**** break


jatin Says:

Fed playing awesome.
2-0


gonzalowski Says:

Rafa is having to play very fast, for the game of Federer


Willow Says:

No change really, Michael will always say his favorites Federer or Djokovic have the edge over Nadal or Murray, agree here that the courts here favor Federer though ….


gonzalowski Says:

some marvelous hits on the line by Fed ugh


jatin Says:

Fed has to keep holding now


Daniel Says:

Great start by Roger so far. Nadal usually starts solids, he broke and went 30-30 last service game.


FedExpress Says:

I like what I see. full intention and focus.

Hope he keeps it.


Willow Says:

Jatin your guys the favorite here, and playing the better tennis at the moment ….


FedExpress Says:

Fed’s genius begins to shine. Unplayable so far. That FH half vollex pick up. Holy mother.


gonzalowski Says:

good game from Rafa!
must play less flat, look for more ball bouncing


jatin Says:

Fed on FIRE…


J.S. Says:

LOL WILLOW – I am not giving up on RAFA yet…he is just getting warm!!!


FedExpress Says:

Fed’s level dropped a little bit and Nadal caught up in intensity.

Federer has to keep focus and see this set home.


jatin Says:

Willow
Yeah, for now. But Rafa is getting better.


Daniel Says:

Damm Fed, 50 seconds ace game. Wow!


jatin Says:

3 Aces in a row by fed


gonzalowski Says:

4 aces in the game!!! oh my god
Rafa does not runs to rest, as yesterday !!


FedExpress Says:

That was a chance at 30-30 for BP.


Daniel Says:

Another game Fed went 30-30 on Nadal’s serve. Keeping the pressure.

2 more holds to take the set. Keep up the good serving and first punch tennis. Go to the net to surprise and not give him any rhyt, keep the pce of the match.


gonzalowski Says:

what a variety from Federer. Rafa serving very well.
they playing indoor again


FedExpress Says:

4-3

Come on Federer. Keep the focus and the coolness. Dont panic.


Van orten Says:

Rafa stands nearer to the baseline returning serve. Fed’s serve is not as potent as from the big hitters but his has much more impact on Rafa’s returngame


jatin Says:

Forehand, backhand, serve everything is on SONG right now, hope he keeps it up
5-3


FedExpress Says:

Everthing is clicking so far

BH, FH, serve


FedExpress Says:

hahahahaha jatin

same thought


Daniel Says:

First love game by Nadal, bit afther a bad call that Fed would win that point with the return on the line.

Time to serve for the set and keep the great serving. Not getting tense


jatin Says:

Rafa is also serving very well.
Fed has to hold NOW.


Willow Says:

Jatin Federers playing really well so far ….


FedExpress Says:

moment of truth for Federer now to serve it out. If he passes that test then he will be high on confidence and play with more freedom


J.S. Says:

NO WAY!!! I traveled all summer in Europe following RAFA, and he will win 2nd set….it will go 3! TRUST ME…


gonzalowski Says:

buf poor returnings from Rafa.
Is he ok, from knee?? (not joking :)


All out Says:

Federer is serving beautifully and nadal is returning very rubbish today. That will be the difference. Win no. 15 on sight.


jatin Says:

WHAT amazing service by Fed so far, not giving Rafa anything.


FedExpress Says:

That set will be saved on my computer.

Arguably one of the best sets he played all year. So clean. No hiccups. Perfect.


jatin Says:

15 winners to 5 UE tells the whole story.


Daniel Says:

Everything in his game is clicking since yesterday. Even the game he got broken against DelPo he had some bad choices and was unlucky. There were no flaws yesterdar and none today.

Lost 4 points on serve out of 24. That against one of the best returners in the game tells it all.4/6 on second serves also shows Nadal isn not bothering him at all.


jatin Says:

Willow
Lets see how Rafa responds in 2nd set.


gonzalowski Says:

J.S. I hear you!
very superior Federer, hides serve, winners, and that Rafa is not playing bad, I just do not know if he is moving well


gonzalowski Says:

Rafa cheers himself, good!
he continues serving very well
2 marvelous parallel by Fed, but good game


FedExpress Says:

Rafa warmed up. Expecting a 3rd set tbh. Rafa will fight.


Daniel Says:

Federers serve placement is the difference, he is painting the lines on almost all serves.


Willow Says:

Gonzo theres alot of errors from Nadal today ….


gonzalowski Says:

yes Willow, but is on the match still, isn’t it? near the precipice,because Roger is superb till now


Daniel Says:

2 second serves and Fed didn’t win a point. He has to do more to challenge Nadal on serve.


jatin Says:

Rafa is changing his pattern of serving very well. It has been one of his most improved asset this year along with his Cross Court Backhand.
Leads, 2-1.

Comon Fed


FedExpress Says:

Federer now going through the motions.


Daniel Says:

First 30-30 on Fed’s serve. Than serve and volley, nice.


FedExpress Says:

1 break of Feds serve will get nadal really going and it will be a battle from there on.

hope fed has a stinker of a game.


FedExpress Says:

*has not


Willow Says:

True Gonzo, Rafa wont let this go easily, he will still give everything hes got to this match ….


Daniel Says:

Nadal is misisng to the sides because he is foing for too much, he knows hebhad to open angles and try to move Federer die to Federer high level.


FedExpress Says:

First tense service game mastered.

come on breakh him now


Daniel Says:

Damm, 15-30 important point, Fed onnthe attack, wrong arpoach


Daniel Says:

BH Show this game by Fed. Deuce


FedExpress Says:

Lucky nadal but federer should have went to the other directiom

30-30


gonzalowski Says:

another BH ‘unforced’ s***


Daniel Says:

Great BH volley get. Another BP. Let’s see of Nadla serve to Fed’s FH again


Van orten Says:

Fed staring Rafa down after the break! Great stuff so far from the maestro


Daniel Says:

BH confesses, break!

Now go on and keep the serving, so far none of Fed’s game went to deuce and he was never behind. Match on his terms.


jatin Says:

What a game by fed to BREAK Rafa… SIMPLY AMAZING


gonzalowski Says:

bufff Federer still the best, what pressure in this game


FedExpress Says:

Come Onnnnnnnnnn

Drive it home


All out Says:

Now its over. There is no way he’s going to break back in this match with federer serve on fire. Back to the drawing board for Rafa. Maybe fortunes will change the next time they meet. Vamos.


jatin Says:

NEO BACKHAND


gonzalowski Says:

yes jatin, what a BH


Daniel Says:

Imperious on serve today.


gonzalowski Says:

another BH unforced


Willow Says:

No argument from me better player is winning, and deservedly so ….


Daniel Says:

All out,

there is no drawing board: Fed is never gonna play Nadal on clay anymore.😜


FedExpress Says:

4-3

2 holds

but i would prefer 1 hold and 1 break


Daniel Says:

5-3, 1 more game.


Van orten Says:

Me too fed express … what a top form from fed


jatin Says:

Apart from that Murray’s match in Wimbledon Semis 2015, I have never seen Fed serving like this. WOW
5-3… One game to go fed.. Comon


steve-o Says:

This is a match of short-point, first-strike tennis. Federer’s able to force the issue and be a bit more consistently aggressive. Nadal’s having to end points just a little too quickly for his liking, and making errors as a result.


jatin Says:

What a point


Daniel Says:

0-30. Seems he heard you FedEx. 2 points away


jatin Says:

I agree skeezer, its amazing how these Fast court’s compliments Fed’s game so much. Its a sight to behold.


jatin Says:

MATCH POINT


Van orten Says:

Total Speechlessness!!!!!!


jatin Says:

Rafa volleying


jatin Says:

HE DOES IT..
NO WORDS.. What a performance.


gonzalowski Says:

congrats to Fed fans, what a play by him, awesome.
My doubt is if today Rafa was healthy… those BH unforced
maybe is Roger’s merit.
go to bed now, bye!


FedExpress Says:

Party Time Fed fan

this was flawless performance. Has to be the best of the year for hin.


Willow Says:

Congrats Fed and the die hard sensible fans, especially Squirrel and Jatin, he was sublime today, no argument from me ….


Margot Says:

Well played Roger, looking imperious. His srrving was incredibly good. The conditions really didn’t suit Rafa and he had his knee taped, this clearly effected him. Hardly a classic.
I am disgusted with the rest of the tour, they’ve hardly showed up this year. At this rate these two will come out with zimmer frames and beat everyone else hands down.
The tour is really missing Nole and, to a lesser degree, I am if nothing else honest, Andy.


All out Says:

Just pure class from federer. Did not give nadal even one chance in this match. Nadal needs to change his game plan next time. He couldn’t string 2 good points today. Returns and groundstrokes needs to improve a lot. The race for no.1 is on. Vamos!!


J.S. Says:

OMG I was SO wrong, Congrats Roger fans…..I feel horrible for RAFA, going to bed!! PEACE OUT


FedExpress Says:

Yed rafa has 2 gs,2 masters and 2 other titles.above all that surely the year end no.

but Fed has to be player of the season. considering the comeback and the way he beats his main rivalm


Daniel Says:

He’s done it again. Amazing performance. 5 in a row and another Masters title this season. 2 Slams, 3 Masters and counting. With this form he is favorite to sweep all reaming titles he plays. Maybe not Basel / Paris due to being back to back, But Basel and WTF he os favorite.

First step on his chance back to #1 done. His part he is controlling but he can’t control Nadal. Even kf he beats Nadal in Basel, Paris and WTF finals Nadal would still be #1 with his points acumulation.

Best for him is if Nadal doesn’t play Basel (probably he will not due to these 10 matches last 2 weeks), Fed wins and than things get interesting for Paris.

But saind ot before, second part of the seaso Federer always gets more points than Nadal.

After RG:

- Nadal: 180 Wimby + 270 NA Masters + 2000 USO + 500 Beijing + 600 Shangai = 3550 pts

- Federer: 500 Halle + 2000 Wimby + 600 Canada + 360 USO + 1000 Shangai = 4460 pts.

Expect Fed to still win more points than Andal remaining of the year, but it may not be enough due to Nadal’s clay nuff and his asian swing which was stellar also getting on a streak of 16 wins.

In the end, this year Fed is stil Nadal nemesis, the only one stopping him regularly.

All major HC tournament they blayed they fave bar Canada (Nadal lost early) and USO (Fed lost a round early).


Willow Says:

Aww love Rogers speech, my good friend and rival Rafa, pure class from both, shame the same cant always be said about some of the fans ….


Daniel Says:

Race update:

1 – Nadal 10.465 pts
2 – Federer 8.505 pts

Fed 1.840 pts away with 3000 pts left to be played by both (Basel, Pris and WTF).

Max Fed can reach is 11.505 pts if he wins everything he plays. This is the benchmark Nadal needs to reach to close the race.

If Nadal wins Paris, even if he doesn’t play Nasel, race over because he would have 11.465 pts and Fed would less 400 pts to reach.

So, Nadal can wrap up year end in Paris, but not before.


AndyMira Says:

Many many congrats to ALL FEDFANS on here…especially my Bro..SQUIRREL!!!!Woooohoooo!!…..Enjoy it bro!!…Rog played awesome today and deserves the win….And to my 2 loyal Rafans willow & Okie…LET’S CRY!!!!!


jatin Says:

Thanks so much Willow. Sorry for today, but rafa is still the world no 1.


Daniel Says:

Never thought I will see this ressurgent Gederer in the 4th phase of his career. And to beat his nemesis 4 straught time this year, 5 and couting is remarkable, specially at 35/36.

HxH is 23-15 now, always said somethig like 24-16 (40% match win) would be decent but looking at the way he is playing Nadal now, starting to believe he can do better. He won last 7 sets they played, there is only fast indoors rest of this season and I can bet they play at least one more time for sure in London. Either semis or finals as they will be top seeds in their groups and the current bunch is not impressive.


Van orten Says:

Willow I believe though the worst of fan tension between the two groups is behind us ! This year both guys earned a lot of respect from the opposite side.

For nadal fans it is wimby though what stings.
For fed fans that one tough match v delpo he couldn’t come through to face his favorite rival of late Rafa in the next round .


Van orten Says:

By the way the speed court index for 2017 indicates faster courts in Paris and London . Not as fast as shanghai but way faster than last year


jatin Says:

Congrts to all my dear fellow fed fans, Skeezer, Madmax, FedExpress, Daniel etc.

Honestly speaking. I have never imagined in Million years that I would experience this day as a tennis and Fed fan. Being reminded for years that Fed cannot beat Rafa consistently and to see him go down against him time and time again was very painful to watch. But ever since he changed his racket which in turn made his backhand much more precise and powerful its been Fed all the way. I still believe that Final set in Aus open final( when fed was 3-1 down and played the Best 5 games of his Carrier) contributed heavily to this remarkable turning point in this Rivalry. You can easily see how freely Fed plays Rafa now ( No nerves, no mental block, NOTHING).
The race to no. 1 is still on NOW as Fed has found his 2017 form again.
And it was awesome to see Fed and Rafa joking and all smiling during the presentation ceremony :)

Hope to see you playing in Basel Fed. Thanks for the wonderful tournament.


Willow Says:

Van Orton and not a moment too soon, great respect to both ….


Willow Says:

Thanks Jatin but honestly no need to be sorry, im fine Federer deserved to win the match, i can sleep easily at night with Rafas achievements this year ;-)


Humble Rafa Says:

Oh well. Stuff happens. Congratulations to those on the dark side of life, you also win once in a while.


FedExpress Says:

Nadal was trying to hide it but he was clearly gutted and frustrated when picked up his runner up trophy


Humble Rafa Says:

Yea, I was gutted because nobody deserves to play tennis at such high speeds. This is not skiing.


Angel Says:

When Federer plays like this there’s nothing to be done. Simply the best.


Willow Says:

Fedexpress Nadal like any other player is dissapointed when he loses, he just doesnt go into meltdown, you should take a leave out of his book ;-) ….


Okiegal Says:

Congrats to all Fed fans….a job well done against the world’s number one. I wasn’t too surprised by the result……after all this surface favors Roger. I am still thrilled with the amazing year Rafa has had. I bet Basel won’t be in Rafa’s future…..with the knee strapping and all…….Great tournament for both guys….two great champions!! Love to watch these two compete against each other.


Willow Says:

Okie agree, and we celebrate a year of friendship on FB yesterday ….


gonzalowski Says:

Rafa: On the protection he wore on his right knee, he commented that “I do not want to talk about that after the defeat, it’s something I do not worry about.” “I do not know if I’ll play in Basel, I can not say.”


Giles Says:

Oye FE. Your man should know the feeling. How many runner up trophies has he held up against Rafa? Too many I’d say.


skeezer Says:

HR,
Nice to see you “humbled” once more, way better than being arrogant as of late. Sorry you are too accustomed to slo mo tennis. The fast lane is not for you. Now, please pull over to the slow lane and let the faster through. Thanks.
Enjoy the fishing.


Giles Says:

Gloating cat lover skeezer. Never change! 😡😡😡


Rennie Says:

With this result, Roger Federer brings up his 700th hard court match win. Amazing. Oh, and the prize money pushes Novak Djokovic back into second place as the champion once again tops the all-time on-court earnings list. It seems highly likely that Rafa Nadal will top the rankings at the end of the year, but a couple more good results for the Swiss may leave him as the highest earner in 2017.

Of course, Federer skipped the clay season while Nadal cleaned up. But I wonder, when is the last time that a man won two slam titles in a calendar year, including Wimbledon, yet did not spend even one week at #1 at any point during that year? I know that Borg did not always end 1978-80 as the #1 despite winning both Roland Garros and Wimbledon in those years, but maybe he was top of the rankings for some weeks in each of those years? And did Jimmy Connors push past John McEnroe and Ivan Lendl (not that the Czech topped the rankings until 1985) to earn the top spot in 1982 when he completed the summer sweep of SW19 and Flushing Meadows? The year-end rankings are easily found online, but if anybody can let me know, I’d be obliged. Thanks!


J-Kath Says:

A couple of articles are indicating Fed. is considering withdrawal from Basle and Paris to be fresh for WTF. I have my doubts, especially re. Basle as Roger has contract with them. Ah well, time will tell.


Tennis Vagabond Says:

Jatin and Margot, great summaries of the situation.

The BH has been THE difference for Fed against Rafa in 2017. Suddenly, the patterns that always marked their matches is gone. Its a whole new match-up. Today, as in their other matches this year, Fed was the better rallier. Rafa never had a sniff at Fed’s serve. The match was more lopsided than the score.

Nevertheless, another amazing tournament for Rafa, after Beijing and US Open. All streaks come to an end.

Very exciting to see the race to no 1 stay open for at least one more week!

It was great to see the two champions grinning with their trophies after their speeches were done.


Okiegal Says:

@Willow

I missed our year FB anniversary! I tried to stay extremely busy over the week-end as it was the second year of Byron’s death plus the day what would have been our 50th. A rough few days for me……..but I’m a tough old bird…..very resilient and will trudge on…..just like Rafa has!!

VAMOS!!!


skeezer Says:

“we’ll see if Federer doesn’t tank one of the matches before the final, not to face this Rafa.”

36 year old never tanks…he only “twists” his back, very convenient injury.”

No tanking, no injury, just a thrashin’ to a player who is having one of his best years ever. He does these things to his rivals.


Willow Says:

Okie no probs girl, just wanted to say how nice it was celebrating a year on FB being friends with you, sorry i had no idea it was two years since hubby passed away, make sure you stay in contact with family and friends, and internet friends too, take care, love and hugs dear Janis, your friend Alison XX ….


Michael Says:

Roger at his Clinical best against a sloppy Rafa and this combination produces a very easy win for Roger. The match certainly didn’t live upto expectations of a gruelling contest as it was Roger all the way just blasting Rafa off the Court. Strangely, rather than the ground strokes, it was the serving prowess of Rafa which saved the day for him from getting decimated as Roger had the upperhand in at least 80% of the rallies which was far and few. The speed of the surface favoured Roger and when he is on song, there is nothing much his opponent can do even if it is Rafa. Now since Indian wells, Rafa is yet to take a set of Roger and how easily the H2H is turning now with Rafa finding uncomfortable at the prospect of sighting Roger at the other side of the net. When every Tennis Analyst thought that Roger continuing playing beyond 35 would keep embarrassing himself against Rafa with the H2H turning worse have to now eat their words.


Willow Says:

No excuses from me as a Rafa fan Michael, but please can we use the same criteria when its the other way around, like when its players that you dont like winning too ie Nadal and Murray ….


Daniel Says:

J-Kath,

Where did you read that? Very odd, but I can see why with his age and risking injury.

I personally don’t think that. After USO QF (wednesday Sept 6th) Federer had a full 5 weeks lay off (to his first match in Shngay this last wednesday). He only have three set match against Delp who lasted less than 2 hours. He is super fresh right now, have another week of than Basel where he will play a much easier draw, and if some top players lose early it could be easier. In the past he had DelPo, Djoko, Stan, Kei, even Nadal and several other big names playing.

Thiem is running out of fumes, Kyrgios inconsistent, Raonic Injured, Berdy injured. Zvereve also doesn’t play 2 back to back tourneys good.

So, he has a very real chance of winning Basel with not much trouble and than he decides on Paris.

Paris usually is the tournament with most withdraws due to being last in the season, and there he can wait fir the draw also.

Assuming Nadal won’t play Basel, which is 0% given now, Fed should make a push.

Yes, he can’t control YE#1, but it is within reach.

For example, the best for him would be to play Nadal in semis, even if Nadal qualifies first in his group, than Fed “loses” a match (depending if Nadal’s group play first day) and he can qualify second to beat Nadal in semis and prevent Nadal from winning too many points there. This way Nadal would win 600 pts in WTF and Fed 1300 (winning the whole thing). Or he qualifies first and Nadal loses a match and they plays semis, so he wins 1500 pts and Nadal 400. There is a lot if points in WTF and he can take a 1000 pts difference there.

He knows his body betters and may have given up on #1 already due to Nadal’s last 3 great tournaments, but with indoor hard ahead, depleted field, his stelar play and a chance to #1 again, I think he should make a push.

In worst case for him, he can end #2, as long as he keeps beating Nadal. #1 for him won’t change much except be a record with old age and ting Sampras 6 YE#, but the real gap in his resume was always the Nadal “issue” rivalry, and that he is taking care of.


skeezer Says:

Fed takes his place in tennis, it was never ……”given”. Despite the few haters on this site the guy is winning, in the finals, at age 36, against not only his main rival but arguably the best player playing this year(debatable btw….we’ll see) and second best player…..ever. Creating imaginary scenarios like “cupcake draws”, favoritism, fake injuries, is just trying to jealously undermine the mans achievements. The lies won’t matter, he has another record in his book of all time records that will stand against the few in denial. Congrats Maestro on another Shanghai Masters. GOAT.


Giles Says:

By his own admission fed didn’t play the clay season as he didn’t want to face Nadal. Scaredy cat!


Humble Rafa Says:

Two things today.

1. I lost

2. Bad knee.


J-Kath Says:

Thinking of you Okie at this time. My 2 years is January 2018.


Markus Says:

Giles, do you remember who, when asked this, “You like challenges, are you glad Novak exists?”

This athlete replied: “No. I like challenges, but I am not stupid.”


Markus Says:

By the way, that was not a dig on the guy who replied. I like him and his response made me laugh because of the combination of honesty, humility and humor.


Markus Says:

Where is t4t? I am sure he had a lot of vile comments to post against Federer had he lost to Nadal. Sorry that you can’t you use them.


Daniel Says:

Thanks JK.

He probably is thinking of the big prizes and know that trying to win everything for #1 maybdrain him physucally and mentally


Michael Says:

@ Willow – I use the same criteria for every player. Although, Roger and Novak are my favourites, I take extreme care that my predeliction shouldnt prejudice my views. I have never commented disparingly against any player. Most of the time, you tend to blow my comments out of proportion. I gave the edge to Roger only because of the quick surface and on the back of his sucessive wins against his main rival. The Australian final was obviously the turning point when Roger miraculously managed to turn around the match with his brilliant shot making which werent blessed to watch even in his prime. And such a win snatched from the jaws of defeat gives players tremendous confidence and momentum.Earlier, Roger used to lose the match against Rafa even before he entered the court. The very sight of Rafa at the other end of the net intimidated Roger. Not anymore and that he is doing this turnaround at 36 is really incredible and just cannot be explained. Generational players reinvent themselves and always to evolving situations. It is not that I so not want Rafa or Andy not to win. They have earned my respect for what they have achieved in this sport. Even if Rafa had won the match, I would have happily congratulated him.


gonzalowski Says:

👍 nice comments here, for ex. Markus, skeezer 😊


Giles Says:

Markus. So what’s wrong with that? He was being honest. But for fed to miss a whole season of tennis just to avoid Rafa is a bit extreme and abnormal, don’t you think? I will repeat, scaredy cat!!


Margot Says:

http://www.express.co.uk/sport/tennis/866733/Roger-Federer-Secret-Beating-Rafael-Nadal-Shanghai-Masters-Tennis-News
Michael did you see this? Roger putting his success down to the new racquet size………. and avoiding the clay season!


Okiegal Says:

@JK……I was thinking of you this week end. I remembered two years for you too…… but I wasn’t sure if it is was December or January. Glad you told me…….being w/o a mate is tough. I can’t believe it’s been two years, Time is flying by in a hurry. Take care TX friend and I will be thinking of you, as January will be here before you know it.


Daniel Says:

He is 36 year old, there is no need to keep playing clay tourneys which are most physically demanding, he already won RG that was what matters and he has to reduce his schedule in terms of longevity. Play to his strength to have the most success later on in is career, as it is the case.
Skipped clay and won Wimbledon, even Murray made that move, which any pro tennis player would take anyday.

Also, he said many times before he felt his knee weird on clay after surgery. Same way as Nadal always said Grass take a toll on his body. Nadal only plays Wimbledon this last 2 year on grass, and I bet he will keep t at that next year also.

So, get over it, you won’t watch Fed play Nadal on clay anymore, those days are gone. Te reality is their rivalry will be played on Fed’s term from now on, and bar injury, not Much what Nadal can do, than hope for a bad day for Federer. First part of the season some said he was “under coocked”, now they played with Nadal at his peak on HC, coming out of 2 wins including USO and on a 16 match win streak and even so, he was hardly competitive. Nadal won a lot of free points of serve, including 4 aces, but when Fed was able to return he won more than half.
If not for Nadal serving smartly the match would be more loop sided, 3 breaks for Fed and not a single of his serves going deuce.


Margot Says:

I agree Daniel. I think it’s a smart move, for all sorts of reasons. Hope Andy makes equally sensible decisions when he comes back.


Willow Says:

Michael hmm not exactly no, what about when you said, oh just give the FO trophy to Nadal, the only player that could beat him lost to Dominic Thiem, the FO yearns for a new player winning the trophy, yet you didnt exactly have a problem when Novak was winning everything, or when Federers dominating, however when its the other two its a different story, you do hide your distain more politely though than alot here ….


squirrel Says:

Thanks so much Willow and AndyMira!!!

Love u both! Soery if you felt let down bur Rafa is still no 1! :))


Willow Says:

^And you didnt congratulate Nadal on winning the USO, or if you did i missed it ^ ….


Willow Says:

^Above for Michael ^ ….


Willow Says:

Squirrel thanks but no need honestly, like Okie i wasnt really surprised given the surface and court speed anyway, and thanks for the compliment on FB too my friend ;-)


J-Kath Says:

Thank you Okie.


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