Federer Into 30th Grand Slam Final After Chung Retires With Blisters In Australia
by Staff | January 26th, 2018, 8:28 am
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It was an easy day at the office, as they say, for Roger Federer. The Swiss probably didn’t need any help but got it in his Australian Open semifinal against Hyeon Chung who retired down 6-1, 5-2, 30-30 because of a blister.

“I’m just happy I’m in the finals, to be honest,” said Federer. “That was the goal before the match today. I was able to get there. Not under the circumstances I was hoping to or not planning with. But I played a good match. He struggled clearly with his movement. I was able to take advantage of that.

“So for me clearly it was all good. I wish him a good recovery.”

Other than his very first service game, Federer was nearly untouchable on serve under the roof – which was closed just after an early evening rain shower – while he was well into just about every return game.

Federer advanced to his 30th career Grand Slam final and seventh at the Australian Open. He has won 13 straight matches at the tournament and now stands just three sets from a 20th Slam. And he still hasn’t lost a set. Not bad for 36.

Chung, who had already dismissed 6-time champion Novak Djokovic and world No. 4 Alexander Zverev, looked lost in his first Grand Slam semifinal. And slow afoot, not even moving for some balls. He eventually called for the trained midway in the second and then retired just a few games after.

“It’s like worse than regular blisters,” his manager Stuart Duguid said. “Over the last few days, it was blister under blister under blister. He had it shaved off. Now it’s red raw. They tried injections to see if it numbed the pain. It didn’t work. Much worse than a regular blister.”

Added Federer, “I knew he was having issues with his feet going into it. But I knew he also had issues going into the match against Novak. He handled that very well. The same against Sandgren.

“I played the first set without feeling him having really that many issues, to be quite honest. I was also very focused on my own game. In the beginning, I was trying to keep the points short.

“As I realized that he was struggling, there was no need for me to push the envelope too much and take chances moving forward if I knew it was enough to be playing from the baseline against him.”

The 58th-ranked Chung will still crack the Top 30, but questions will be raised why he couldn’t continue at least another set and finish the match, much like Marin Cilic did in the Wimbledon final.

“Many things come together because I retiring in semis,” Chung said. “But I think I did right thing. If I play bad thing on the court, it’s not good for the fans and audience as well. I’m happy to be able to make semis in Grand Slam. I want to be stronger next year.

“I make first round 16, quarters and semis. I play Sascha, Novak, Roger. I really good experience in last two weeks. I think I can play better and better in the future.”

Cilic of course awaits Federer in the final on Sunday night in a rematch from London. Federer leads that series 8-1.

“Definitely think him winning the US Open, like Stan winning here a few years ago, it gave them great belief they can do it,” Federer said of the Croat. “If the big moments come about, that they can attain this level. Not easily, but they can get there from time to time.

“I think he played great against Rafa. I think the belief and the way he played very positive made him win that match because he didn’t look good there for a while when he was down a set and a break and everything.”


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96 Comments for Federer Into 30th Grand Slam Final After Chung Retires With Blisters In Australia

Tennis Vagabond Says:

Really unfortunate. Would have liked to see Chung continue the match with a non-career-threatening injury, but the pain of blisters can be overwhelming, so I won’t bash him for it.

Federer has had one of the easiest roads to the finals conceivable- we’ve had a few of these in recent years, with Rafa’s USO in 2017 and Novak’s USO in 2016 (two retirements and a walkover, remember??)

The draw on paper was certainly much rougher than what he’s faced.

In any case, he gets a vicious challenge in Cilic, but I think he’s got his 20th coming – he would also tie Novak’s record 6 Oz trophies.That would make Roger the holder or co-holder of most championships at 3 out of 4 Slams. Pretty significant accomplishment. (He’s also tied for 3rd in most French Open finals appearances, which ain’t shabby).


rognadfan Says:

Really disappointing, how that match went. Had no idea Chung was having blister issues. Nonetheless, there was never any doubt that he would be a little nervous going into the SF and Fed would run him over. But I wanted to watch at least a set and half of good competitive tennis rallies that resembled Fed-Novak matches.

I remember, it was Chrisford1 or someone mentioning tough looking draw could actually be a good ones in disguise. That’s exactly how it turned out to be for Fed as the tough ones got routed in earlier rounds.

Barring similar issues as last years wimby, Final should be a good one, or at least I hope so.
This was the AO with the least number of matches I watched in the last 12-13 years. Basically two things contributing to this. Top guys are injured and the young guns failed to arouse interest and force late-night stays. I seriously hope that changes next year though, one way or the other.

That said, its’ #20 for the Maestro or scratch that zero for Cilic.


rognadfan Says:

TV,
I was thinking of the same thing about Chung when he retired. Especially since I woke up after 2.5 hours of sleep to watch how he would deal with Fed’s indefinite variety. But wasn’t meant to be. At that point though, it was actually better that the match concluded because it was just the waste of otherwise the sleeptime, IMO, for the viewers at US especially.


skeezer Says:

Beat Novak with blisters? Kids got skillz.


Daniel Says:

I woke up, saw end of first set, second set and was able to get back sleeping for an hour before waking up for work;-) In this way, the quick match was worht it.

Also was the AO I watched fewest matches, was’t able to stay on zombie mode and waking up mid dawn to watch them. Basically only watch parts of the night matches which were early morning for me.


lylenubbins Says:

Burnishes Fed’s claim to GOAT status that he has found a way to win without injuries. Respect.


skeezer Says:

You can see why Chung is the real deal. His back court game is solid. Too bad for the blisters but don’t think he would have won this one anyway. He needs a better service game on this surface. Will be very interesting to see how he does in the Clay court series this year….


Madmax Says:

Oh do be quiet nubbins, talking a lot of gubbins. Seriously. These things happen.


skeezer Says:

Fed serves 32% first serves in first set……which he won 6-1.


Humble Rafa Says:

Fed serves 32% first serves in first set……which he won 6-1.

Your point is… I am sure you are not going to say anything new.


skeezer Says:

HR,
Thank you for re posting a Fed comment, you stay true to form with your Idol Fed.


RZ Says:

An easy win due to injury/retirement was the last thing Fed needed going into the final. He’s had an easy time of it and hasn’t had much resistance, and could have used a tight match to help get ready for the final. It’s going to be a huge step up against Cilic. I still think Fed is the favorite, but not by much.


lylenubbins Says:

@ Madmax: You don’t think Fed stands out for having very few injuries compared Novak, Murray, Rafa, etc.? I think it’s huge.


Daniel Says:

The positive about this tourney compared to last year AO is that he is way more rested going on the seoson.

If I were him (assuming he wins final), go on and play Roterdam in 2 weeks and get back to #1. He knows Nadal won’t be playing beofre Acapulco, if he plays there, and he only needs semis (3 matches in Roterdam) to get back to #1. Play Dubay and see how it goes in IW / Mimai where first 3 rounds have a days rest in between.
It will be very hard for him to replicate IW / Miami combo like last year (maybe he wins 1 of those), so he can make up for points in Roterdam and Dubai.

Last year he didn’t want to push himself much, testing his knees but even so, this year he is super rested and most likelly will skip clay entirely again. Even if final is a five setter, points won’t be super long with how agreesive him and Cilic are, so probably will be no longer than 3 hours. It won’t be a taxing matych on the body, maybe it can be a mental battle, but not physically demanding.

He has to maximize his chances, and plays tourneys that favored his game. Rotterdam is just on his backyard and he will have 2 full weeks rest after final.


Daniel Says:

Fe dhas less injuiry because the way he plays. Nadal, Djoko and Murray can’t sustain that level forever. They all showed signs of it and the three ar einjured now at the same time.

Djoko revovering for a injury that seems to be permanente in his tennis life, Nadal recovering from a minor injury, but will keep flaring things up ocasionally, speciallas he will be 32 in 4 motnhs and Murray recivering from surgery.

It’s part of the sport, the way you play and playing gruelling tennis week and week out takes its tool on the body.

Hence why Federer is able to play like these at 36+. Talent + fitness + smart scheduling + effective efficient play = longevity and high level of play.


the_mind_reels Says:

@RZ: I think Fed had a good test against Berdych to get some rhythm going against a big hitter similar to Cilic. My guess is he’d rather have an easier match in the semis to conserve as much energy as possible for the finals. But, we’ll see Sunday! You may be right that a little more match-play/rhythm today would have helped.

Great stuff from Chung during this tournament. Hopefully this momentum carries him to a couple of titles this year. Kid has massive potential!


RZ Says:

@the_mind_reels – In that Berdych match I think it was really just one set that was tight. I think the final will come down to how well Cilic is serving.


Madmax Says:

Very sad about the Chung/Federer match – pegged it down as a five setter, with a possible upset. He was playing so well, such a talented, cocky player. Amazing run.

And those blisters, one upon another, upon another – similar to Cilic at Wimbledon.


the_mind_reels Says:

@RZ: true enough. If Cilic is serving lights out, then Fed will also need to serve lights out and snatch any opportunities that come his way in tiebreaks. Despite the score line from the SF, Fed’s first serve % was pretty awful, but it didn’t matter. He was playing return games well and otherwise pretty clean from the baseline. So, the serve definitely needs to pick up!


Madmax Says:

lylenubbins Says:
@ Madmax: You don’t think Fed stands out for having very few injuries compared Novak, Murray, Rafa, etc.? I think it’s huge.

January 26th, 2018 at 11:43 am

Have you been in tennis for very long? Have you seen the way the players you mention play compared to Roger’s game?

Get real nubbins. Seriously. If you don’t know how these guys have played their whole careers, then have you been watching tennis behind the sofa?


Daniel Says:

Cilic was returning Nadal serve pretty well. Think his retunr is key. Even when servign great he oscilates, and Fed will break him eventually, but his ability to break Fed’s serve will be key for him. If Fed is serving great and Cilic can’t pressure him much, than match over. Fed will play mroe confortable and more agreesive.

Both are expect to hold most of the time with first strike tennis and coming to the net to end points quick with floating balls.

Fed starts a bit off last 2 rounds, was broken agaisnt Berdych and faced 1 BP in his firts service game against Chung. He needs to start on top to not have Cilcil “believing” from the get go.


Humble Rafa Says:

Talent + fitness + smart scheduling + effective efficient play = longevity and high level of play

Is that an equation from Einstein?


Django Says:

Cilic hasn’t got a chance against the mighty Fed.


Daniel Says:

Yeah TMR,

Fed finished the 2 set with 43% first serves in, but he picked up in set 2 to 56%.

Against Berdcych he finsihed with 63% so if he reolicates that he should be fine. But anything less than 60 and he can give Cilci too much chances to attack.


Daniel Says:

HR,

No, an equation from the knee protector;-)


Madmax Says:

Fed’s game is the polar opposite to Rafa, Novak and Murray. They are grinders on the court and you know it, if you are trying to say something alluding to something else Nubbins, then say it instead of making up falsities to please your narrow audience.

Greatness is just that. Great. Deal with it.


Humble Rafa Says:

I miss being in the final. It is pleasure to see the Kia motors guy speak in English. It is better in person but I will watch it on TV, for sure.


Madmax Says:

looking forward to a great final on Sunday. This will not be easy. Yes, a new Cilic is in town. A very hungry one.

Federer needs to play his aggressive shots and attack early. I believe he will. Should be a great match and hope the detractors here don’t spoil it.


fred stone Says:

Cilic has two days off before the final. (the AO is the only slam that allows that)
With the very fortunate short semifinal Fed also has a good period of time to rest and prepare for the final. Sure, Cilic is hungry, but Fed should be even more hungry to hit the 20 GS number and distance himself from his Spanish nemesis and anyone else thinking of catching him.


Tennis Vagabond Says:

Cilic has too much time to think about it. His brain will melt by Sunday.


Humble Rafa Says:

but Fed should be even more hungry to hit the 20 GS number and distance himself from his Spanish nemesis and anyone else thinking of catching hi

I have time. Plenty of time to catch him. Gentle reminder that I also own him.


Flyer Says:

Cilic playing very well and his concentration point to point is improved.

Didn’t find Fed’s play in Semis was all that great – hopefully he comes out focused and serves blazing all match in the final – he’ll need his game to be sharp to counter Cilic’s solid form which has been consistent this tournament.


fred stone Says:

@Hobbled Rafa, who owned whom 4 times last year?


Humble Rafa Says:

@Hobbled Rafa, who owned whom 4 times last year?

Life time ownership is a concept that you need to own. You cannot take 5 minutes of your life and be proud of it as though it represents all your life.


Tony N Says:

All-time Grand Slam career totals: Federer 30 finals extends his record.
While Federer is the all-time Wimbledon record holder with 8 titles, Roger is one title behind the all-time Australian record (Roy Emerson, Djokovic) and two titles behind the all-time US record (Richard Sears, Bill Larned, Bill Tilden)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All-time_tennis_records_%E2%80%93_men%27s_singles#Grand_Slam_tournament_totals

Richard Hinds: “Roger Federer’s statistical accumulation is far beyond the realms of ‘best of his era’… they are watching the most accomplished player in tennis history — and perhaps the most accomplished athlete in any sport… Federer’s statistical accumulation is now far beyond the realms of the relatively mundane “best of his era” or “among those vying to be considered the greatest of all time” and firmly in the mindboggling, stratospheric, Bradmanesque territory into which few have…”
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-01-27/is-federer-the-most-accomplished-athlete-in-any-sport/9366072


Chris Ford Says:

lylenubbins Says:

Burnishes Fed’s claim to GOAT status that he has found a way to win without injuries. Respect.

=============
Did he win because he can win without injury, or because the other 3 of the Big 4 were injured so last man standing Fed could win because of injuries to Novak, Andy, and Rafa?

A healthy Rafa more or less had his number from 2008 on, Novak since 2011. And Andy took a few title runs away from Fed, too.

Yes, Fed is great, Fed is talented, Fed has longevity, a lower impact playing style than most, people worship his pretty one-hander save Rafa licking his chops each outing they had…..but Fed is also lucky. He got 12 of his Slamcount in the weak era, then 2 in 2009 when Rafa and Novak messed each other up in the Madrid semifinal, 2 in 2017. Now a final in 2018.

Sometime down the road, the level of competitiveness in each tennis era will have better objective math available t quantify it. I think the ‘Legends” guys that had the highest level of competitive challenge in each pro outing in their total career as an average – are Rosewall, Laver, Borg, Lendl, Nadal, and Djokovic. Andy would be as well, but he is not in ‘Legends’ territory.


Chris Ford Says:

Richard HInds is wrong. You can only go with best of era, not GOAT in most sports, because things change. If you go by ‘trophy count’ as a metric, you will get an accurate picture of who got the most trophies, 5th most trophies, etc. adjusted for subjective things like prestige of the venue contested.
And play on the grass courts of the 50s and 60s, the new equipment that advanced a new style of tennis, medical advances, things with little prestige for a period of time becoming more prestigious later (Olympics, Australian Open).
You get the stats that show which player got the money and stats in what order across eras..
But you do not necessarily define the best.


skeezer Says:

Fed has his issues throughout his career with illness/injuries. No one is exempt. It is how you navigate through it all that makes a difference. Rafa rolled the dice in securing #1 last year by playing way too many tournaments @ 30. What happened? two injuries and counting…Novak? No navigation. He admittedly tried to play through Elbow issues for way too long of time and now? Out still.

Fed has also won WITH injury(s). So funny when the haters try to minimize Feds achievements by saying the other guys were injured, that’s why he has won so much. Well guess what, it’s part of the game. You have to be fit, healthy to win, and know your body and what it can and cannot do. Its an athletic game, not Bocce Ball.


skeezer Says:

@3:39
No, YOU are wrong. If GOAT was always a moving target, there would be none. As of today, the near future, and nearly the last decade ids has been GOAT.


Giles Says:

Lol. “ you have to be fit, healthy to win”….. and take your magic potion regularly.


skeezer Says:

” If you go by ‘trophy count’ as a metric…”
Bingo, wrong again, each trophy in Tennis can have a significant more value than another. eg: Slam vs 250.


Humble Rafa Says:

If GOAT was always a moving target, there would be none.

It’s amazing you don’t understand anything about goats but you know all about cats.


Tony N Says:

It should have been obvious yesterday that Federer at his very best and serving well would probably have beaten Chung Hyeon at his best in three sets (partly because of Chung’s mediocre serve and Federer’s ability to handle Djokovic-like players whenever Roger is at his fittest best). When players play an A-level Federer for the first time they tend to get discombobulated and dismantled by the way Federer plays the ball, court and opponent with such aggression, intensity, variance, tempo and unconventional shot selection (in part from taking the ball so early) — which they say is unlike any other player. E.g., see my comment in link. Also search for “Wilander: Chung’s frightening, but won’t scare Federer”
http://www.tennis-x.com/xblog/2018-01-25/27721.php#comment-740263

As for the match, Federer noted that Chung was not affected by the blister in the first set (Federer: “I played the first set without feeling him having really that many issues, to be quite honest”). No aspect of Federer’s game was at his very best (just B+/A- overall, serving worse) but this was good enough to discombobulate Chung. Federer’s first serve percentage was only 32% in the first set and 56% in second set. Yet Federer just camped on the baseline, and slapped Chung around the court until he lost his feet and legs.

Alix Ramsay explained: “Against Federer, (Chung) was being forced to play from parts of the court he had not visited before. Fed dragged him into the net – and he went there about as willingly as a lemming approaches a cliff edge – and then passed him with laser-guided precision. He toyed with him on the baseline, taking the ball so early that Chung barely had time to blink, much less respond. If Chung was going to clatter the ball from the back of the court, he was going to need time and rhythm. So Rodge gave him no time whatsoever. And if he liked it on the baseline, Rodge would simply try to remove him from it. Now, that sounds so simple, but no one else had been able to do it over the past 12 days – but the defending is champion is not like other men. He can do things with bat and ball that defy the laws of physics. Chung’s head must have been reeling: this was tennis, but not as Chung knew it.” (from “Federer into final as Chung retires” on Australian Open website)

Also read Joel Drucker’s “Chung’s Retirement Shouldn’t Dampen Federer’s Latest Extraordinary Run” in Tennis Magazine’s site.

The final will probably be four or maybe five sets, even though it could be over in three. Because the audience needs a longer, closer and more entertaining final after two disappointing semifinals.

When asked to compare his Australian Open run with 10 years ago, Federer replied: “In terms of tennis, I see things also again a bit different, a bit more I guess wiser to some extent, maybe more laid back because in 2008, was I fighting with mononucleosis that year? I ended up losing in the semis. That was a bit of a turning point in my career, to be honest. I felt I lost a step there for a little bit, for maybe six to nine months. I was able to sort of bounce back. Yeah, so you go through different stages throughout your career.”
https://ausopen.com/articles/interviews/roger-federer-26-01-18-interview


Humble Rafa Says:

You lose a step at 27 and come back stronger at 36. It all makes sense now.


Tony N Says:

Humble Rafa Says: “You lose a step at 27 and come back stronger at 36. It all makes sense now.”

Nadal was able to beat Federer five times in a row (2008 Monte Carlo, 2008 Hamburg, 2008 French Open, 2008 Wimbledon, 2009 Australian Open) when Federer lost a step due to mononucleosis…

…even though in the 18 months between 2006 Wimbledon and 2007 ATP Finals, Federer had a 5-2 winning record over Nadal, beating Rafa on all surfaces (including clay), and twice putting 6-0 bagel sets on Rafa (including on clay).

Yeah, you’re right. It all makes sense now to everyone.


skeezer Says:

Tony N,
HR is reading your posts! LMAO ;)


Tony N Says:

Chung Hyeon and his publicist spent a lot of time selling his blister excuse to the world. Reading also his post-match interview, it was all about me, me, me — not once did he apologize to the paying spectators and TV audience. (If I have played with foot and hand wounds before, I’m sure many pro players have played on till the end with worse foot wounds than what’s on his picture in link)
https://www.instagram.com/p/BeahCqcBaem/?hl=en&taken-by=hyeon519

Chung’s first grand slam semifinal is the time to show some character instead of using the blisters to chicken out after his game and fortitude were dismantled. Of course severe blisters are painful and the injured player will likely lose. But Chung could have stood up for seven more games and fought to the bitter end. Even the controversial Pat Cash criticized Chung Hyeon for retiring due to blisters – Cash felt Chung should have played through the pain of his blisters to finish his match. Chung’s retirement not surprising since he learned from his idol Djokovic’s retirement (from blisters at 2007 Wimbledon) and from Nadal’s retirement (the other day) – when better to retire than lose the entire match.

Roger Federer has played with a lot of severe blisters and other injuries without retiring from any of his 1,388 career matches (only Jimmy Connors has played more matches). For example, in the 2005 Australian Open semifinal, 23-year old Federer lost a 5-7, 6-4, 5-7, 7-6 (6), 9-7 five-set dogfight lasting 4.5 hours against multiple grand slam titlist Marat Safin (then ranked No. 4). Federer entered the match with a painful blistered left foot that became progressively worse during the match. In trying favour his injured foot, Federer put stress on his back which – by the fourth set – caused a pinched nerve that radiated pain to his right fingers and affected his forehand while he was trying to close out the match. After the match, someone who saw Federer’s unwrapped foot in the locker room said his blisters looked bad. Yet two weeks later he showed up at Rotterdam and won the tournament. That’s what warriors do.

New York Times: “Federer, who held a 6-1 career edge on Safin and routed him in last year’s Australian Open final, was not at his best or his healthiest. He had blisters on the bottom of his left foot before the match and required treatment before the fifth set for nerve discomfort in the index finger of his right hand. But even slightly diminished, Federer is still the most confident, versatile and breathtaking player in tennis. And though Safin started the match on a big-hitting, serve-pounding mission, he still lost the first set and still had to save a match point at 5-6 in the fourth-set tie breaker with a lunging, last-chance lob that Federer reached but could not return with a trick shot between his legs.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/01/28/sports/tennis/for-one-match-safin-catches-up-to-federer.html


Amit Says:

Fed had Rafa’s measure in matches where he was fit and confident. The terrible defeat in 2008 RG only shook him up and he was defeated many times in slams to Rafa. But being the matchless genius that he is, he finally proved that there’s no equal to him when he decides its business time mentally! Problem is just a normal playing Fed can become almost invincible if he is mentally ok. An excellent playing Federer with supreme confidence means “Hand Over The Trophy To Him Already” stuff!! Fed is so talentex that it is almost unfair and justifies the “Life ain’t fair” saying…


Tennis Lover Says:

The morons can keep raving and ranting…They can keep hurling their stupid senseless invective. They can keep harping on their evil-minded weak era/injury blessing logic, they can even live amidst their wild tantrum…Well keep on doing this useless, facile theatrics…Meanwhile, Roger will hopefully bag the Slam number 20…Just to give you warm reminder, every time, Nadal and Djokovic seem to reduce their gap with Federer in Slam tally, it displeases and angers God. So, he decided to punish those players with injuries and issues as they embody a Satanic brand of tennis. In God’s eye, player like Nadal and Djokovic are the darling of lucifer. So to avert those luciferian tennis demon and their lunatic fans, God has probably decided to gift Federer Australian Open and Wimbledon this year thus forever concluding the possibility of those rats to surpass Roger Federer. In a mercurial world where we live, we are constantly facing the battle of Good vs Evil. Even if, evil persist with its trickery for sometimes, it is good which laughs the last laugh. Similarly, in tennis Federer represents the Good and Nadal, djokovic the Bad…There was a time when they prevailed with their satanic game..But it ain’t happening any more…The good always prevail in this iconic battle with the bad. So Federer will prevail since God himself has crowned him the bestest ever tennis player. Who are you but clowns and morons to yell with all your gusto to stand aside Lucifer and its agents thus challenge the God? You guys have been trashed and dispatched into oblivion many a time in the past. Well, it will be ever more repeated with more clarity and venom in case your mind is still deeply seated into paganistic thought of mocking and laughing at the decisions made by the God.


Rennie Says:

“Chung… looked lost in his first Grand Slam final”. Not so fast: he has yet to play his first Grand Slam final.


Tony N Says:

skeezer Says: “Tony N, HR is reading your posts! LMAO ;) ”
They all do, LOL. We know they read it when they try so hard to deny it :)

Chris Ford: “in 2009 when Rafa and Novak messed each other up in the Madrid semifinal”
LMAO. That slowly-played 245-point match between two whining pussies (Rafa had a walkover in R16) is nothing compared to…

…what Federer did in 2006 Rome against N0. 2 Nadal, No. 3 Nalbandian and clayclourter Almagro (played 803 points in 3 straight days; 5-set final against Nadal; no first round bye so 6 matches in 7 days) which messed up Fed for the 2006 French Open :)…

or what Federer did in 2012 Olympic semifinal against Juan Martin del Potro (3-6, 7-6, 19-17 longest three setter — 366 points in 4.5 hours), then two weeks later Federer bageled Djokovic in Cincinnati before Fed was too messed up to win 2012 US Open :)


Tony N Says:

Chris Ford: Actually it is you who is wrong. You have to find the humility to accept that you are neither qualified nor significant enough to make the judgment “you can only go with best of era, not GOAT in most sports”. So while you are a novice struggling to quantify the level of competitiveness in each tennis era… the true experts of tennis already have the mental supercomputers and metrics to determine who are the relative greats in the history of tennis.

The biggest pro sports accept the concept of GOAT, e.g.,
- Michael Jordan’s biography on the NBA website states: “By acclamation, Michael Jordan is the greatest basketball player of all time.” http://www.nba.com/history/players/jordan_bio.html
- Wayne Gretzky’s story on the NHL’s website, “For two decades, the ethereal Wayne Gretzky has lifted hockey to new and dizzying heights while establishing himself as the greatest player of all time. He transcends hockey and is the most statistically dominant player in the history of North American team sports, an athlete who ranks with basketball’s Michael Jordan and soccer’s Pele as one of the greatest offensive forces in the history of any sport and a man whose name will be mentioned in the same breath as Muhammad Ali’s as one of the greatest athletes of the 20th century.” (from Jack Falla “Wayne Gretzky: Greatness Ascendant” on the NHL’s website as well as in Dan Diamond “Total Hockey: The Official Encyclopedia of the National Hockey League”

Pro tennis accepts the concept of GOAT, e.g., Tennis Channel’s “100 Greatest of All Time” was determined by an “international panel of tennis experts”.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/100_Greatest_of_All_Time

The sports world accepts the concept of greatness. Determining the greatest sportsperson in all world sports is much more complicated than finding the greatest player in history within a sport. Yet each year the Laureus World Sports Academy acts as an expert jury whose 65 members perform a secret ballot to select the most outstanding sportsperson across all world sports. The current and past members of the Laureus Academy include sporting legends from all world sports such as Michael Jordan, Pele, Sebastian Coe, Jack Nicklaus, Nadia Comaneci, Mark Spitz, Edwin Moses, Daley Thompson, Katarina Witt, Dan Marino, Sergey Bubka, Bobby Charlton, Emerson Fittipaldi, Marcus Allen, Franz Beckenbauer, Ian Botham, Cathy Freeman, Marvin Hagler, Lennox Lewis, Dawn Fraser, Tony Hawk, Miguel Indurain, Michael Johnson, Kip Keino, John McEnroe, Martina Navratilova, Gary Player, Hugo Porta, Vivian Richards, Alberto Tomba, Steve Redgrave, Sachin Tendulkar, Steve Waugh, Katarina Witt. These sports legends have the competence, experience and significance to perform the role of expert jury to select the world’s greatest sportspersons of the year.

Similarly, very greatest tennis players from the 1950s and 1960s such as Jack Kramer, Rod Laver and Ken Rosewall have opined on who is the greatest in the sport.
- Jack Kramer: Kramer is probably most qualified to assess the best tennis player in history before his death in 2009. Bud Collins called Jack Kramer “the most important man in the history of tennis” because Kramer was one of the greatest players of all time who who practiced or played with all the greats from the 1930s to 1960s; he organized and ran the professional tour before the Open Era; he fought for tennis to be open to professionals; and he co-founded the ATP in 1972. In 2007, Jack Kramer said “I have never seen anyone play the game better than Federer” (From “Jack The Lad” ). In 2008, Todd Woodbridge wrote: “Is Roger Federer the best of all time? Yet recently I had reason to say Federer is the best singles player to have played the game. Just before Christmas, I had the opportunity to interview American Jack Kramer about his life in tennis… Nearing the end of our chat, I broached the subject of Federer and asked if he compared with the greats of Kramer’s era…Having played against and watched every champion since the 1930s, I thought there was no one better credentialled than Kramer to answer the question. Kramer said Don Budge, Gonzales or Hoad might have been the equal of Federer if they had been able to use Federer’s racquet. Yet he had never seen any player do more with a ball than Federer. Federer, Kramer said, was the only player he had seen with the complete package; he is a fantastic offensive player, a super server and can play defence. We all have our dream match-ups we would have loved to see play against each other in their prime. Mine would be Rod Laver and Federer playing on Centre Court at Wimbledon. Kramer’s is Gonzales taking on Federer using the same racquets. Kramer finished the interview by saying Federer was simply the best player he had seen play the game. With credentials as good as his, who are we to argue?” (From “Worm turns Federer’s way in the debate)
- Rod Laver: Read “Rod Laver’s Top 10 from Past and Present Players” . As Laver once said: “When I look at Federer, with what he’s accomplished, against the competition that he’s accomplished it with, I’d have to say I would think that Roger is the greatest player. “Just because his record, the consistency over a span of six, eight years has been pretty amazing. I think that sort of tells you something.”
- Ken Rosewall: Read “Who’s the greatest? Laver or Federer? Who better to ask than Muscles Rosewall”


t4t Says:

Although I skip most of what Toni writes, I have to credit him with telling us about Fed’s u of b link. Now please reveal the ingredients in the magic potion?


t4t Says:

…Tony N not Toni


t4t Says:

Fed admitted he requested night slots. This gives the lie to the claim of Fedfans that Fed, poor guy, is forced to play night spots because he is so popular.They also claimed Nadal and Djokovic got a better deal because they could request day spots and get it but Djokovic’s honest replies gave us the correct picture: Fed is given preferential treatment at the expense of his rivals. His draws have been weak at least since 2007 and he has always been given preferential scheduling too.
skeezer you are wrong, I skip most of Tony’s posts. Even you skip Tony’s posts.


skeezer Says:

^YOU just got skipped.
Redundant, repetitive and same ole whiners sh!t.
#GOAT
#dealwithit


FedExpress Says:

t4t, lie.

Fed said after his day match vs Fuchsovic he had no problem playing under the heat cause he trains in Dubai under more extreme conditions.

Dont spread lies you hater. He requested nothing.


Tony N Says:

When Djokovic demanded the day session against Monfils, the AO organizers had to slot Federer into the night session since it was the most attractive match to ticket buyers and sponsors.

ESPN match commentator Chris Fowler reported that it was actually the super-fit Djokovic who requested to play during the day against the unfit Monfils in order to exhaust the Frenchman into near-death defeat. Chris Fowler tweeted that Djokovic’s coach Andre Agassi revealed to him that(a) Djokovic could have had a night match against Monfils; (b) but Djokovic declined a night match against Monfils; and (c) the superfit Djokovic asked for the day match to get a fitness advantage against the unfit Monfils in the heat of the day. Fowler tweeted that he would not have publicized this information if he “didn’t know the deal. Straight from the team.” Although Djokovic later denied it, this would not be the first time that Djokovic lied (e.g., Djokovic lied with a straight face while he denied what happened at the player’s meeting).

Read Chris Fowler’s five tweets in this link:
https://twitter.com/cbfowler/status/953766555820552193

Older Roger Federer is better than old Federer – and set to end GOAT debate once and for all
https://www.eurosport.co.uk/tennis/australian-open-men/2018/older-roger-federer-is-better-than-old-federer-and-set-to-end-goat-debate-once-and-for-all_sto6499997/story.shtml


J.S. Says:

Let’s go Cilic – I hate cheaters, if it was my fav, I’d say the same thing.

Preferred treatment isn’t how I want my “Goat” to win a tournament.

Change courts, day matches in the heat = equal ground! I would be emberrassed if I was RF or his team. Glad he was exposed!!


Willow Says:

Hmm somethings been a bit off with this AO from the word go :-/


FedExpress Says:

@JS

Against cheaters but on the side of Cilic who doped. Lol.


jatin Says:

Normally I try not to indulge in arguments here but calling Fed a CHEATER ?

‘There’s maybe 60 guys asking for stuff, so I’m one of those guys, yes,’ he said after the match.

When asked if he had extra leverage being Roger Federer, he added: ‘Possibly. But it’s not my call.

‘There’s other guys out there like Novak. Other guys they’ll listen to like the Aussies. There’s TV stuff as well, I don’t know what you guys ask for at night.

Apparantly other 60 guys were cheaters too then as they asked for the same thing.
How is it Fed’s fault that People want to see him and his matches the most ?
And the same organizers also put Fed in day match as well after that ( in the 4th round)
As he said, it was organizers call at the end of the day. Not his.
Calling certain player a cheater is not cool, no matter how you turn your arguments. At the end of the day he is 36 years old, working as hard as other guys in the draw, played all his matches fairly, and now he is in the finals.
If Cilic beat him tomorrow, no problems, he will be touted as the better player on that particular day. But we fed fans will cheer as hard as ever for our player tomorrow.


Willow Says:

Jatin i think Federer will get his 20th GS tomorrow, nice to see you, hope your well, just wanted to thrown this in there, the Asians on this forum, are all really nice guys ;-)


jatin Says:

Hey Willow.
I am good. How are you ?
I am bit nervous about tomorrow’s match. And thanks for the compliment, you are very nice as well. I usually read most of the posts here, its fun to read all the analysis, opinions mostly( apart from some haters ) but rarely get time to post.


Willow Says:

Hi there Jatin, im great working hard, but thankfully i have the weekend off to relax, do some reading, meditating, perhaps go for a walk if its nice with my significant other, on tomorrows match i think it will be tighter than the W final last year, but i think Federer will get number 20 in 3 or 4 tight sets, hopefully we get a great final like on the womens side, hope you enjoy it too, nice to see you here, its a shame you cant post more often though ;-)


squirrel Says:

Seriously J.S.? Calling Fed a cheater? You’re classless, especially after accusing me of being disrespectful..


squirrel Says:

Very well said jatin in response to J.S. horrible name caling!


squirrel Says:

Yes jatin, Willow is the nicest here! :)


t4t Says:

JS @ 4: 20 am. Well done JS. Calling a spade a spade. Not many can do it.


squirrel Says:

Sad to see J.S joining the likes of t4t, WB etc


t4t Says:

Willow is considered nice by rival fanbases because she agrees with them when they call Nadal a cheater but she attacks any poster who dares to criticize Fed. When in a rare moment she does not support a Fedfan, that Fedfan (eg madmax) calls her names thereby proving perceived niceness of Willow is subject to her continuing subservience.


squirrel Says:

That’s such an outrageous lie, Willow would never agree on anyone calling Nadal a cheater. She’s always respectful, that’s why all Fedfans like her. She’s not confrontational and would never call names or spread lies or being bitter. So stop it t4t.


skeezer Says:

“Calling a spade a spade”
More like calling a Fed a GOAT.
Not many can do it.


skeezer Says:

t3t,
Whats with all the drama? You going to talk tennis or talk gossip?


Amit Says:

As if willow or anyone else for that matter cares what people think of him/her on this site,LOL


Giles Says:

Goat? Lol. Billy goat or nanny goat?


Amit Says:

I am so wishful of Federer victory tomorrow! Sweet Dreams of mine. ..😍😍😍😎


Amit Says:

I like Cilic a lot actually and it would hurt to see him losing tomorrow but Fed losing would hurt more. So Rooting For Fed…


skeezer Says:

Fed is in a win win scenario. How can you be disappointed in making to his 30th Slam final, another all time record? If he loses, he is still off to another great start of the year, @ 36 with 2 more Slams to go after.
imo this is on Cilic’s racket, if he is on song he will beat the Maestro. Serving game is extremely important for both. Keys to victory.


Giles Says:

Don’t worry Amit. The trophy is reserved for your idol. NID


squirrel Says:

Owh such nice words from Giles :)


j-kath Says:

There are some new posters recently on Tx (not including “t3t” which is possibly a typo) – subjects argued previously are rising from the grave – and Easter eggs are not even in the shops yet.


t4t Says:

squirrel@10:13am. Spoken like a true Fedfan: Lie and accuse others of telling outrageous lies! Lol!


t4t Says:

Amit @ 10:22am. Your comment is so ridiculous! Ha Ha ha! ROFL!


t4t Says:

jk : t3t is possibly skeezer’s sock puppet.


skeezer Says:

@j-cath,
That was no typo! ;)


Madmax Says:

t4t,

You are most definitely a pot stirrer.

t4t Says:
Willow is considered nice by rival fanbases because she agrees with them when they call Nadal a cheater but she attacks any poster who dares to criticize Fed. When in a rare moment she does not support a Fedfan, that Fedfan (eg madmax) calls her names thereby proving perceived niceness of Willow is subject to her continuing subservience.

January 27th, 2018 at 10:09 am

And by the way, Willow and I have our disagreements, good days and bad days, I have defended her in the past, as she has me, we stand by our man, but she is a wholesome person here, and is someone who I would vote for to the get the Niceness award. That doesn’t mean I agree with her on everything. I don’t.

Plus, the both of us can fight our own battles, we don’t need a massive pot stirrer like you with hatred in their heart to deal with our online friendly/not so friendly relationship. We can deal with it. We are grown ups, whereas, as for you, you gotta lotta growing up to do.


t4t Says:

Not possibly but probably…skeezer likes to be one up so has chosen 3 to my 4.


jatin Says:

Willow is a one of the most respectful and nicest Rafa fan here, she knows being a fan does not mean spreading blatant hatred and lies against his rivals.


j-kath Says:

Skeezer – Am in the middle of my afternoon lazy brain syndrome – so don’t understand the significance of “t3t” rather than “t4t” – wondering if t4t knows what you mean….


j-kath Says:

PS: I note my post was over taken.


Amit Says:

t4t

As if I care about your opinion LMAO!!! 😂😂😂
Find someone else to give you any attention!😛😜
You are nobody in my good life..😉


t4t Says:

Amit, it wasn’t my opinion. I was stating a fact. But if facts disturb your good life ( to be expected from a Fedfan) then by all means ignore facts and continue to make an ass of yourself.


Willow Says:

Madmax, Jatin, thanks ….

Amit thanks also im female gender, but you and Squirrel are both quite right im not responsible for what the rest of the Nadal fan base say ….

t4t its not about currying favour its about fairness, i dont hate other player, and i dont show the annymosity the way you do, but believe me i have had arguments with fans of rival players ….

Federer fans there is one of your fellow fans that certainly aint no saint either bullying fans of rival players, even bullying his fellow fans, ones that have never said a nasty word to anyone, i dont know maybe he wants a Federer fan only forum ?

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