Wimbledon Men’s Draw: Federer, Nadal Gets Easy Early Draws; Murray v Paire
by Sean Randall | June 29th, 2018, 12:48 pm
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Andy Murray is back! For the first time in a year, the Scot is in a Grand Slam tournament (as of now). Murray, though, won’t have an easy debut as he faces the talented but loose Benoit Paire who just held match points against Roger Federer a week ago. But Murray isn’t the only story, that’s because he’s joined by his big four brethren who continue to dominate the headlines and the sport.

Federer and Rafael Nadal have shared the last six Grand Slams, and based on their draws, it’s awfully hard to go against them in this one. Let’s dive deeper…

ROGER FEDERER QUARTER
As an 8-time champion, Federer didn’t need a good draw but he got one anyway. The 36-year-old Swiss opens Monday at 1pm against Dusan Lajovic, who’s a decent player. Lukas Lacko has made a couple Wimbledon third rounds, but shouldn’t pose a real threat to Roger, then in the third his first seed would be Leonardo Mayer who is better than most think on the grass. In the fourth, he could get a rematch with Halle champion Borna Coric. In best-of-3 I give Coric a legitimate shot. But playing best-of-5 on Centre Court is too tough an ask for the young Croat who might get bounced in his opener against Daniil Medvedev. In the quarters, it will probably be either Sam Querrey or Kevin Anderson. Querrey made the semifinals at Wimbledon a year ago while Anderson is playing the best tennis of his career. Also in that section is Richard Gasquet who starts against countryman Gael Monfils a good one. I’ll lean to Anderson but it’s Federer’s quarter in the end.
The Pick: Roger Federer

MARIN CILIC QUARTER
One of the hottest players this grass season has been Marin Cilic. The Croat fell apart in the Wimbledon final a year ago, but served notice with his Queen’s win last week. And you’d have to like his chances here. He’s got a great draw out to the fourth where he could face former finalist Milos Raonic, though the Canadian could be out before then either by loss or by injury. In the quarters, I like John Isner to finally make a run at Wimbledon. The American has a great early draw then could face Grigor Dimitrov in the fourth. The Bulgarian, who’s been trending downward, opens against Stan Wawrinka. While I think Dimitrov beats the Swiss, he won’t get past Isner. And Cilic then takes on Big John. That said, I’m not sold on Cilic – he’s due for a bad loss, but no one else screams out as a solid pick.
The Pick: Marin Cilic

ALEXANDER ZVEREV QUARTER
The toughest quarter features Alexander Zverev, Novak Djokovic, Nick Kyrgios, Kei Nishikori plus Dominic Thiem and Kyle Edmund. I’d make Djokovic the slight favorite, then Kyrgios and then Del Potro. But it’s a crapshoot. Zverev hasn’t been special and along with Nishikori, comes in with injury issue (though both should be healthy). Edmund might be under too much pressure and Djokovic could falter at any moment. So I think I’m to get crazy and go with Kyrgios. If Nick can get his serve going like at Queen’s, he should get through Nishikori in the third, a nervy Zverev in the fourth then beat Djokovic in the quarters to reach his first Slam semifinal.
The Pick: Nick Kyrgios

RAFAEL NADAL QUARTER
Maybe the easiest quarter belongs to French Open champion Rafael Nadal. I just don’t see anyone worthy of beating the former Wimbledon champion during the first week. I know Rafa’s had his fair share of early shockers at Wimbledon, but I just don’t see it here. Maybe Vasek Pospisil or Mischa Zverev? Teen Alex De Minaur? Otherwise, I think Nadal gets to the quarters to face Juan Martin Del Potro. The Argentine will have to navigate through Feliciano Lopez, Jeremy Chardy and then David Goffin. Andy Murray is also in there, and I think he beats Paire but not Chardy who upends Denis Shapovalov in a good first rounder. And then Rafa takes care of business in the last eight.
The Pick: Rafael Nadal

SEMIFINALS
Federer d Cilic: Gut tells me Cilic pulls the upset, but head says Roger is the king and somehow he’ll find his way to victory again over the Croat.
Kyrgios d Nadal: A Federer-Nadal final 10 years after their 2008 epic? Come on! That’s too storybook and can’t happen so I’ll take Kyrgios to serve Rafa off the court.

FINAL
Federer d Kyrgios: Kyrgios makes it fun but Roger makes history.

Kyrgios in the final? That’s nuts. But hey, Kevin Anderson was in the US Open title match. Kyle Edmund and Hyeon Chung both made the Australian Open semifinals and someone named Marco Cecchinato reached the last four at the French. Weird things are going on in men’s tennis so why not and expect the unexpected?

I do think in the group of Kyrgios, Nadal, Federer, Cilic and Djokovic the winner will emerge. Maybe even throw Zverev in there. Those guys are the favorites. But in the end we are looking at another Big 4 champion, and it could even be Djokovic who showed signs of life last week. That wouldn’t surprise me.

Federer remains the pick. But he didn’t look great at Halle and at 36 is well overdue for a bad loss at a Slam – maybe it will be Coric?

And it will be very interesting to see how Murray does. With Paire, we should know early.


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158 Comments for Wimbledon Men’s Draw: Federer, Nadal Gets Easy Early Draws; Murray v Paire

Daniel Says:

Indeed, can not see Nadal losing before QF, only Pospisil in R2 can maybe truble.him. No boig servers at all on his side.

Fed also has an easier round to until R16 where he can play Coric again.

Can not see Djoko losign beofre QF also.

Murray is loaded with potential DelPo R3.

Seems thsi year a lot of top names will be in Qf onwards.


Holly Says:

Murray has a difficult draw but it could have been much worse in the opener! Paire is very talented but can be inconsistent, so if Murray prepares well, who knows? Even if Murray only wins 1 or 2 matches, it’s match-practice and some points; both of which he needs badly.
I can’t see Fed winning this year somehow – and in spite of his brilliance, Nadal hasn’t done well at Wimbledon for some time.
My pick would be Cilic perhaps….


skeezer Says:

Daniel,
Dr Ivo?


skeezer Says:

Lol a lot of Rafans voting here for him to win. So he must be the fav, right?


skeezer Says:

I like Kyrgios to go far here if he doesn’t implode. His game has been coming around as of late. And on grass, he can beat anyone.


rognadfan Says:

Popsicle upsetting Nadal? Not in any universe. That guy looks to have good strokes all around but somehow they don’t sum up to a good game.Have never been so. To be honest, there is no way in hell nadal gets beaten by popsicle, not even troubled, if you ask me.
Something tells me this year Fedal will come true again, just looking at the draw they both got.
But Fed has made it rather unsure for all of us with that up-n-down play in Halle. Nadal seems to be a sure shot until QF and after that, the scrpt changes drastically for him, as the grass is too beat up by then. he will have upper hand against most of the opponents.

I hope Fed will come true one more time.


chofer Says:

Here biggest threat is the draw of Federer, with annoying grass snakes like Raonic, Isner and Anderson.

I’m sure Nadal has the softer draw. I’m sure, also, Sean Randall is not doing his job well as Delpo gets the Nadal quarter, NOT Zverev, Kyrgios, Djokovic.

I´m pretty sure Cilic will reach SFs. Roger, too. Not without some scares.

I fancy Nadal making it to the last 8. Then, will see.

The most WTF quarter is Zverev/Kyrgios/Djokovic.

I think the Serbe will pull through. Sorry Randall, Kyrgios doesn’t have the tennis smarts or work ethic to make it to the finals.

Do your job better.


Willow Says:

Skeezer no not me i think your favorite will win it ….


j-kath Says:

It’s almost too predictable to believe that Roger will win – this year – and the same for all the other likely candidates…(and I don’t mean Andy will win)…

ah well…we’ll see….good luck everyone with the bracket.


RZ Says:

I’ll try to set up the bracket tonight but late tomorrow is more realistic


fndm Says:

It is a very tough draw for Federer. His struggles in Stuttgart and Halle do not inspire much confidence. Lajovic has a huge serve and powerful groundtrokes. He can serve and volley too. Not very consistent but not a pushover by any stretch because the first round is where the top players are most nervous. Mayer and Youzhny are very capable players but are not big threats right now. However Karlovic is a very tricky opponent if he comes thru to meet Federer in the third round. Coric is red hot at the moment and he has a real shot in the fourth round. Querrey or Anderson especially the latter will be tough to handle in the next round. Cilic beat Djokovic to win Queens and has been very consistent on grass over the last two years. He has a tough section himself, though. Raonic and then Isner/Dimitrov won’t be easy to beat. Federer’s current form especially the inconsistent serving is a big concern. He will really have to raise his game just to beat Coric or Anderson. I don’t know if he can beat Cilic on current form. There are so many banana skins in his quarter that reaching the semi final will be a real achievement. Cilic probably is the slight favorite from the top half to reach the final.

Nadal himself could not have made an easier draw for him for a grass tournament. He is going to be way more happy/relieved with the draw than any of the other contenders. No power players who normally trouble him in the first week when the grass is sleeker and slippery. The moment he reaches the second week, he becomes a favorite for the tournament. It is likely to be a breeze to the quarter final and I can’t see him having any trouble there unless Del Potro comes through his section and raises his level. Djokovic’s recent form has been quite encouraging and he could reach the semi final because Kyrgios or Zverev just do not seem consistent enough to go really deep here. Ironically, Djokovic could make Nadal’s path easier by eliminating Kyrgios or Zverev who could potentially pose a slightly greater threat to him on grass than the Serb. A rampaging Nadal is likely to beat Djokovic unless he regains his old form. In that case,the Serb will probably win the final too. The winner will most probably come from the lower half of the draw especially if either Djokovic or Nadal reaches the final. Only a Cilic at the top of his game can realistically hope to challenge either of these two here in the final this year.

The stars have aligned again for Nadal just like they did at the US open last year and he is too good to easily let go of this golden opportunity to add another Wimbledon to his major achievements. He is likely to be tough to beat in the latter rounds. He missed a great chance in Australia this year but that was unfortunate. He is normally brilliant at grabbing an opportunity when he sees one.

Obviously, championships are not played or decided on paper and draws tend to open up sometimes. Seemingly easy draws could turn out to be not so easy. All it takes is a bad day at the office or an opponent catching fire or a bit of both. The sleek grass in the first week makes upsets more likely at Wimbledon than at the other majors even though the current grass is nowhere as challenging as the grass of the 1980s/1990s or even the first half of the last decade. The 32 seeds format and slower balls are the other big factors. I personally hope Kyrgios wins it and goes on to realize the immense potential he has just like the first Wimbledon win ignited something within Federer


The Arrogant Goat Says:

Roger will lose. Too old. Nadal will lose. Too limited. Djokovic will lose. Too thin. Murray…never mind. Dimitrov…too dumb. Raonic…too ill. Nishikori…too short. Kyrgios…too psycho. Lost generation…too lost. NextGen…too mediocre.


tennismonger Says:

ABSOLUTELY Mischa Zverev!

He’s a grass court machine!

Bye-bye Rafa…

(Yes, I’m a fan.) 😉


Humble Rafa Says:

Nishikori…too short.

You do know that Asia Man 1 represents a whole continent. Some posters here like Japanese Daniel take it personally if you call him short.


Daniel Says:

Skeeze,

Karlovic is a complete no show this season, he is 9-12. Don’t expect him too even make it out of 1st round.


RZ Says:

Racquet Bracket is ready to go. All are welcome to play! Make your picks here: https://www.tourneytopia.com/RacquetBracketWimbledonATP/TennisXersWimbledon2018/default.aspx

You have until July 2 at 6am Eastern Time/11am British Standard Time.


Margot Says:

fndm: the grass is baked hard this year. No rain down South for 3 months. Conditions are different.


gonzalowski Says:

Margot, but, yesterday I saw Hurlingham on tv, grass was in good state, very fast Imo; the same it will be at WB for sure.
I suppose they do exist irrigation systems in England !! 😉


Madmax Says:

It’s so exciting! It’s so exciting! Only 2 days to go before we see our beloved players walk onto the court.

It’s so exciting!

Steve Tignor says,

here are players in Federer’s draw who could threaten him. His first opponent, Dusan Lajovic, is a talented ball-striker who took Alexander Zverev to a fifth set at the French Open. One of his potential third-round opponents, Ivo Karlovic, is never an easy out. His fourth-round opponent might be Borna Coric, who beat him last week in Halle. One of his possible quarterfinal opponents, Kevin Anderson, has pushed Djokovic to the limit at Wimbledon in the past. Another, Sam Querrey, has beaten both Djokovic and Murray there. A third, Richard Gasquet, just win a grass-court event.

http://www.tennis.com/pro-game/2018/06/mens-wimbledon-preview-federer-nadal-djokovic-2018/74889/

Welcome back to Andy. So happy for you Margot.


Madmax Says:

Margot,

It’s not about the grass, it is about the soil. Read here. http://www.wimbledon.com/en_GB/atoz/grass_courts.html


gonzalowski Says:

Madmax,
so “…The ball will seem heavier and slower on a cold damp day and conversely lighter and faster on a warm dry day.”
we know then what Rafa needs, the opposite to RG.


Madmax Says:

Gonzo, I think the courts will suit Rafa very well. Having read the link I just posted here, I know a little more about the dynamics and science behind the courts. I think it is completely fascinating. Having said this, we all know as tennis fans, that anything can happen. Just about anything. Which makes it all the more exciting.

Good luck and I cannot wait for the tournament to begin. The weather seems great as well for the next 2 weeks in July.

https://www.accuweather.com/en/gb/london/ec4a-2/month/328328?monyr=7/01/2018

A couple of showers, but heat, heat, heat!


Margot Says:

Really I meant conditions will be quite different from the normal drizzle and grey skies…Tho having said that the climate is changing and we seem to be getting hot weather for Wimbles more often than not these days.
Cheers Mad MAx but expecting him to lose to Paire, no honestly! Not anti jinxing!
Watching Eastbourne final, hoping for a good match but sorry the final is not between Angie and Aggie :(
Wow! This young woman from Belarus is some hitter! Expecting Woz to win tho., purely down to masses more experience, but she’s got her hands full.


Willow Says:

My heart wants Rafa or Andy to win, but my head is actually saying Federer (the sensible bet) or Cilic, Kyrigios is a strange one, can beat any of the top players on a good day, and also has bucket loads of talent, im just wondering if he has the self discipline for 7 BO5 set matches ….


Margot Says:

Intriguing match, such a contrast of styles.
But Sabarenka is the future I’d say. Not just a power player, not afraid of the net and with gorgeous touch. Turgenov, a name from the past is her coach. She likes him apparently because he, “makes me laugh.” Not sure if Caro’s weird pa does that.
Hmmm….re bracket will she be exhausted. Probably will have to do 4 as jalep suggested! Lol!


Margot Says:

As expected Woz’s experience won the day. Well played.
Talking to myself here….well I’m good with that, I say all the right things…;)


j-kath Says:

Margot: We all learn so much if we stay quiet and listen to you…..(clears throat….ahem).

Seriously Agree with your assessment of Ladies Final.
And Caro’s response to “What does your Dad say to you in the breaks? etc. etc. Caro ends up saying: “I tell him if he knows so much he should just take the raquet and play instead of me” (words to that effect).

I’m very UNHAPPY with Andy’s intention to play. According to Paire, he is going to teach Andy a lesson…it’s funny how one goes off people isn’t it.


Margot Says:

So very true Kath. Don’t think I was ever “on” Paire TBH. . Meanwhile Argentina v France, fab match!


j-kath Says:

Margot: Love tennis and rugby – hate football but I understand I’m in the minority – glad you are enjoying the match – please do return – asap. “Speak” another time.


Willow Says:

Never forgiven Argentina for the Maradonna hand of god incident, so im always glad when they go out , but a fantastic match though never the less, yay France ….


Willow Says:

Andys an all time great, and Paires a good player, there lies the difference, the greats let their rackets do the talking, Beniot could very well come to regret saying those words ….


Margot Says:

In normal circumstances Willow yes, but….:( And YAY! France were fab. Sad about Messi tho., the GOAT of football and apparently a lovely man.


Willow Says:

Agree Margot, but im a sucker for an underdog-ish, loved South Koreas reaction when they beat Germany too, it was priceless, even if they did still go out ….


Margot Says:

^ I thought it was grand too! Such a shame they went out!


chofer Says:

Willow

I am an Argentine and I’m sick and tired of being punished by the “hand of God” Ypo don’t like the team. Fine. Me neither.

But Maradona is a retired player and has NOTHING to do with me or these players. Leave them alone. What you say is unfair to some players who had to deal with a crazy and mediocre coach. France was the superior team and I’n glad they went through.

I think nobody will mention Platini and Zidane with thir sucess, no?


Wog Boy Says:

Neither Argentina nor Portugal deserved to get out of the group stage, Nigeria and Morocco were robbed by mafia organization called FIFA, thanks God we don’t have to listen any more about Penaldo and Messy and can watch world cup in peace, justice prevails.
Uruguay plays best football so far followed by Belgium, yet nobody talks about them.


Dave Says:

I agree Willow. Look what happened when Berdych said something to Andy after winning the first set at the Australian Open. He lost 3 straight sets after that. I don’t see Paire beating Andy now. I really don’t, even if he isn’t 100%.

RZ, I have a question about the doing the picks. I entered my picks. After I got an email that said don’t forget to enter the parent pool. What does that mean? do I have to enter them twice now?


AndyMira Says:

Chofer…Sorry,Argentina lost…But,yeah..things happened…And i think France deserved the win too coz they’re look more ‘hungry’ than Argentina…Hope they will arise magnificently after this fall…

And agree bout “Hands of God”…It’s already in the past…And we can’t change a thing about it now…If we think closely,there;s so many unfairness & craziness happened in sports..In tennis too…Some bad decision from officials that lead to players lost & win etc..And it’s going to happen again & again & again in the future…Better we accept it with open hearts & move on…


RZ Says:

Dave, what that means is you are participating in our private pool but not partof the overall pool (i.e., anyone who enters the Wimbledon bracket).
All it takes is clicking the button to enter the regular pool. Doesn’t hurt to do it. You never know, you might win!


el_matador Says:

“never forgiven maradona for hand of god incident”…what???!!!..u never stop to amaze..have u forgiven england for winning the only wc in their history by a goal that didn’t cross the line & wasn’t even a goal?have u forgiven west germany for their “kick & hurt” tactic over hungary?have u forgiven henry’s hand goal vs ireland?..don’t always act like some higher moral authority here..its sickening


el_matador Says:

& just after that hand goal,maradona scored “that” goal to prove that,yep,the hand was indeed of “God”..if u hate a mad genius like maradona,I feel for u..


Humble Rafa Says:

Looks like the webmaster was fired. All the comments are heading into the alley.


vince Says:

Fed will not win.. Nole is not 100% yet.. It will be Cilic or Nadal


Willow Says:

el-Matador / Chofer i dont hate Maradona, i never said i hated the guy, he was indeed a football genius, i just thought it was daylight robbery, and Argentina winning the WC that year was a bit of a farce, as for holding grudges some people on this forum cling onto them like their lives depend on it, what makes me any different, why should i apologize, nobody else here does ?


Willow Says:

Dont always act like some higher moral aurthority ?, err i wasnt trying to !


Willow Says:

Dave thanks ….

AndiMira ill stick to tennis from now on , personally done with football talk, dont need anymore acid baths ….


Willow Says:

And for what its worth i agree with Wogboy, and Humble Rafa theres a first lol ….


Willow Says:

So sorry i offended Chofer and el-Matador ill stick to talking tennis from now on peace ….


gonzalowski Says:

Maradona, being a genius as he was, he is an egocentric, drug-addicted and disrespectful person, who, together with the press of that country, is one of those responsible for Messi, and by extension the Argentine national team, has not played at his level, due to the anxiety they generate them. And a cheater, ’cause the ‘hand of god’, and others.


lylenubbins Says:

Surprised to not see anyone picking Novak. I believe he had a match point against Cilic at Queens, so he is in good form. He has played a lot of matches due to the clay season and the fact that he might not be back to his peak fitness is not as much of an issue on the grass. I would give him as much of a chance as Rafa or Cilic.

Also Zverev was looking awfully tough before he got injured playing Thiem.


el_matador Says:

“drug-addicted”..well that’s why I love him even more..& if u think he has something against messi,u’re deeply mistaken buddy..in the croatia match,when all were getting ready to crucify messi,he was kissing the argentina jersey with nessi’s name..& “cheating”,I already posted a list of “cheatings” of great proportion associated with football..the only “weakness” messi has is he’s too nice & honest & it has cost him & argentina many times..I wish football were fair,but sadly it isn’t..
rant over..sorry to all..


j-kath Says:

Wogboy: Hello, stranger – hoping both you and Van Persie
return for Wimb. Nole needs his fans….real fans are the only ones who can be truly complimentary and truly scathing…e.g. I do not want Andy to use a Grand Slam to re-train himself….he’s not ready, but Nole is, even if he doesn’t win.


AndyMira Says:

Willow 5:30am…So very sorry if i offended u with my words okay sis?I didn’t mean to hurt u in the 1st place…I’m just talking in general when i commented about The hand of God earlier…Sorry once again Al!!


Margot Says:

Ahem, Ahem AM….did u c who won both of last ATP on jalep’s challenge…;)


skeezer Says:

Is this the second time Andy has entered a major, after the draw is out and has withdrawn???


AndyMira Says:

Opppsssie M!!….Hehehehe…Sorry Your Highness!…My dear ol’ brain forgot to congratulate u for the double win this week!….I hope Your Highness will continue your excellency in TourneyTopia & TDC later…I as a mere slave will be honoured to get kick on the backside just to show my loyalty to u Your Highness….Woohohohoho!!…


Margot Says:

Skeeze: I guess he hoped and hoped he’d be OK, but at the 11th hour realised he wouldn’t be. Now at least a “lucky loser” gets a chance. Or are you saying he was SCARED of Paire? Heavens to Betsy, I hope not! Pistols at dawn if so :0


Margot Says:

Lol AM, such a very rare occurrence, thought it well worth mentioning :) But I am not a violent woman, except where dear Andy is concerned of course, so your back side is quite safe.


RZ Says:

Wise decision by Andy but still 😢😭😢😭☹ for me.


AndyMira Says:

M!…hehe..Thanks Boss!…

Oh!…Re.Andy….I respect his decision very much!…Hope he will be fit & back on court pretty soon!….Can’t wait for him to be competitive again!


RZ Says:

I guess I need to change the bracket pic. (And make my bracket picks while I’m at it)


Margot Says:

Lol RZ, I’ve done 3. Had Andy going out first, second and third! Hope nobody’s goy him winning ;)


jalep Says:

Oh No…

I’m supposed to announce these things. Welsh Witch is the winner of both ATP brackets this week in the TDC bracket challenge

http://www.tennisdrawchallenge.com/group/picks/68/atp/bracket/2018-eastbourne

http://www.tennisdrawchallenge.com/group/standings/68/atp/bracket/2018-antalya

Big Al again wins last weeks’ one WTA bracket — Closely followed by me.


Margot Says:

Sorry m’dear, you are too late. I’ve already been bragging …;) I’m not humble either…;)


jalep Says:

Now I have to hunt down my Wimbledon ATP brackets and take Andy out. I had him winning a round or two.

Hope he’ll be ready by Toronto!


jalep Says:

LOL….I meant to post that announcement her yesterday. Don’t think I take my eyes off of what you are up to for a second, Margot🤗


j-kath Says:

Margot @ 11.45am

Absolutely, Margot we are joined-at-the-hip on this one (ouch…maybe not the time to joke – what the hell, maybe it is).


jalep Says:

Couple of us flunkies didn’t even manage 10 points in that ATP Eastbourne draw!


j-kath Says:

Jalep: As you probably know, Andy is booked to go to Toronto….as it’s a 3-setter the chances are pretty good that he will play – and play well.


jalep Says:

Yes, I heard it here first about Andy going to Toronto, JK

Happy for him now. Didn’t like the idea of him starting off with Wimbledon. He would probably not be able hold himself back, go too far and then what.


Willow Says:

AndiMira lol no problem hun XX ….


AndyMira Says:

J 12:58pm…Yeah yeah J!…I give u permission to say my name…Don’t forget my point too!…WHAT????CAN’T HEAR U!!!…YEAH!!…5,5,5,5,5,5,5 POINTS!!…I break TDC record u know!…Don’t ever forget that!!


AndyMira Says:

Willow!…Thanks sis!!…<3


jalep Says:

LOL…I think you did hit the all time low, AnyMira….or you had your cow, who poses as a horse, pick for you!

I let on of my gold fish, chowhound is his name, pick those ATP brackets for me last week. 😫


j-kath Says:

Yep, Jalep.


Margot Says:

jalep @12.58
Puff…lightweights! ;)


skeezer Says:

Margot,
No I know he wasn’t scared lol. But am concerned that the draw could have turned out different if he hadn’t pulled out late in both tourneys.


Margot Says:

Skeeze, wasn’t seeded so how?


skeezer Says:

Margot,
You are correct. My bad. He was not seeded………..this time.


Madmax Says:

Hilarious interview with Roger. For the Federer fans, around 7 minutes, question from a Japanese interviewer…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1yphO7RnDo


j-kath Says:

Skeezer: Don’t really want to revive old grumbles – but the withdrawal of a key player at the O2 in the morning of the final is hard to forget – in order to be eligible for the Olympics he had to play Davis Cup – so left court explaining he had a sore back (or something)…after the 2 reserve players had left – leaving Nole without a combatant….so Andy was called in to engage in exhibition match and who gave his time for for free.

I’ve decided it is time to stand up for Andy So please – no more negative remarks about Andy – till I cool down.


skeezer Says:

” Don’t really want to revive old grumbles – but the withdrawal of a key player at the O2 in the morning of the final is hard to forget -”

J-Kath. ???
Fed entered that tournament and played THROUGH it, not affecting the draw whatsoever. His injury came up during . He was in good enough to play when it started, in proof he went through the draw until the very end when he got hurt. IT happens too players too the time(entering, playing through then getting hurt during the tournament).
What he DIDN’t do was enter a tournament, knowing he was injured and/or doubtful, and then withdraw AFTER the draw was done and before play began. It can mess up the draw dramatically if you are seeded (especially high).

THAT is not apples to apples….


skeezer Says:

” IT happens too players too the time”
Sorry for the typos’
It happens to players all the time.

Andy is a good guy, great player, have really no problem with him overall, am sure he is generous with his time and resources. and it’s obvious the guy wants too come back and compete.
Just saying imo it is wrong to allow a player to enter knowing they are injured and then decide later before the tourney starts to withdraw. Especially when you are an impact player (high seed). When you enter you’re ready to compete and try to win each and every match, or you’re not.


j-kath Says:

Skeezer: What he did was a helluvah lot worse. He wasn’t injured – he buzzed off to Stan W. only because he had to play a Davis cup to allow him entry into the Olympics…because he hadn’t been supporting Davis Cup for years and it was the criteria for entry to the Olympics which he thought he would win. He took the Wimbledon fee (while Murray waved his). He did withdraw – stating he was injured after the reserves LEFT the tournament – he gave NO choices and he TOOK the money. You need to have lived in Switzerland to understand that nation’s raison d’etre.

Essentially, when you forget the reasons for withdrawal (Murray is deeply damaged) (Roger said he had a back muscle acting up – which he dispelled in his 2nd Davis Cup match)- there is no comparison.

Andy Murray informed Wimb. of his options and hopes; Roger informed the world a couple of hours before he withdrew – he knew/or sensed Nole would beat him and in putting up a feisty defence he would have damaged his Davis Cup aspirations.

Skeezer – I have never forgotten that incident and it is one of the main reasons why I do not hold Roger with the esteem millions of others do. He’s been a naughty guy in the past and so has Andy and Nole and a lot of others but that killed my respect for Roger….and while I acknowledge his huge skills – that’s it.


skeezer Says:

J-kath
Totally disagree on your view. Furthermore you show your card in going right after Fed about a one time incident than the topic at
Hand. These withdrawals are not comparable.
Fed did not, has not, and probably will not withdraw from a tournament after he has entered without playing some matches first. He is fully aware how the draw would be impacted, ot just for one player. It is simply in my view poor sporstmenship and poor respect for the players.
As for Fed his record compared to others in “injury withdrawals” after entering a tournament is impeccable.
Nuff said.


AndyMira Says:

J 1:46pm….Yeah!!…If my cow sabotaged me again this time,i will spank her hard!!Hehehe…

Hope u don’t let your Chowhound pick for u this week j!…I don’t have an energy to laugh anymore!!


Okiegal Says:

I’m not gonna feel bad anymore about calling Roger a brat. He admitted to being one on Strokes of Genius, the documentary that aired tonight on the tennis channel.


j-kath Says:

Skeezer: And I care? By the way you introduced the topic. Onwards to the Games.


Margot Says:

Lol Kath, skeeze taking up archaeology? ;)


Madmax Says:

Stop it J-Kath. Get off Federer’s case for once. We can all criticise each other’s players. Andy Murray is sadly missed and I really mean that. He is. Everyone was excited to see his return, and no less than Roger if you read his support. We are all human and so please, keep negative thoughts away from this wonderful tournament. We watch such a long time for this to come around. Don’t we?

I hear you Skeezer. I do.

No need for this.

Match about to start and let’s try to let bygones be bygones and get rid of the bad blood and the tempers. It does not help.

I don’t think any first match is easy, always jittery with nerves and new court.

Come on Federer! Love watching you play.


Madmax Says:

*wait such a long time to see this tournament*. Oops.


Madmax Says:

Wow. Good start. Federer to serve. Let’s hope we get the nerves out of the way quick.


Madmax Says:

You know, these early starts. Edgy. Pressure on Fed right now.


Madmax Says:

I know very little about Fed’s opponent. Hear that he has some great shots under his belt and that he is no walkover that is for sure.


Madmax Says:

He breaks.

Wonder how he is feeling right now…so many things which t he stands for. Imagine, already it has been 10 years since the Nadal match, best match ever. Where has the time gone, TX fans? 10 years.


Madmax Says:

Of course he did Oki. Most teenagers are like that. Nothing unrreasonable, nor surprising.


Madmax Says:

and you now what Oki, even Andy Murray, said he used to be a ‘super brat’, (one more than Fed?) but now, of course he is a superhero. And rightly so called.

More than that, a man who, in a just few months, appears to have undergone a complete personality transformation; a change so rapid and remarkable that it sounds like the theme of a popular self-help manual: From Super-brat to Superhero, perhaps. That’s Andy Murray.

This is so childish.

Skeezer, you are absolutely right in what you have said about Fed and his one time situation. Because he has set the bar to heaven, others cannot cope with this, they have to go low.

I am disappointed but it is what it is.


Madmax Says:

*know what*. Oops again.


Okiegal Says:

@J-Kath…….. Now you had better take heed…… you’ve been told to stop it!! LOL


Okiegal Says:

@J-Kath 6:39……..Excellent comment! Everything you said is spot on!! You go girl…. have a great day and a greater week!


AndyMira Says:

Hey hey hey Miss Jan!!….Way to go!!Whoooo!!….


Giles Says:

Another cup cake draw for Mr Uniqlo! So what else is new!!


Okiegal Says:

Hey hey hey Miss Mira! Woke up way too early today….. but let the games begin and all the disagreements that accompany these games! Lol Have a good week!


Margot Says:

OK: as you are now travelling to Florida …..does that mean you might get to see Rafa play at Miami?


j-kath Says:

Just notice I’ve been put in the corner with the Dunce cap on….these complainers sound like the product of a Boys only school where they’ve been bullied – so God bless them they’ve got to bully other people and tell them not only what not to do but what not to say and what not to think….poor Roger, I’ll bet he’s embarrassed.

To Okiegal and others – remarks kindly noted.


Madmax Says:

J-kath,

I have gone right off you. The lady of objectivity and fairness. I don’t think so. How can you possibly, possibly put Fed into the same category as Murray.? How? Skeezer was absolutely spot on. Federer played the whole tournament, prior to the final. And he was not to blame. Same goes for Murray. I totally understand he didn’t feel fully fit. Good luck to Andy.

You must be devastated about Andy not playing and I feel genuinely for you, but don’t go on and on about Federer. You have shown your displeasure. Now put it to bed. Gang up with your girlies all you like. Feel strong J-kath.

Skeezer, rock on. Great, coherent, cogent argument and quite right.

I expect nothing less from you Oki. You go girl. Yeah. You Go!

Enjoy the games everyone. One day there will be peace, but it will not be in our life time.

Seems to be me that you cannot accept the facts before you – I don’t understand that at all about the brat comments. But you cannot comment on words that even come out of Murray’s mouth. You don’t want to believe. Then don’t. Children.

Good Luck to Murray and hope to see Andy at the USO.


Madmax Says:

J-kath – it’s not a dunce cap. You are obviously funny, bright and witty. You just have a bit more of a cloudy judgment on this, your right, of course. Seems a shame but you are tough enough to survive. But when the facts are presented to you and facts are not debatable, only opinion, you reduce your chances of a cogent argument.

That’s the slippery slope.


Madmax Says:

I seem to be the only once watching the Federer match; I wonder whether his fan base of 5 is decreasing on TX?

It’s okay. I’ll hold the fort with the mud slinging.

This is quite an interesting match. Seems that Fed’s opponent is playing better in the third set. Lajovic has some moves!


Madmax Says:

Yessssss!!!!!

He’s got through his first match. They all love him Oki, J-Kath, they LOVE him!

It feels good!


Daniel Says:

Madmax, there is a new tread for today’s match.


Madmax Says:

I love Roger being a brat! I love him spending 10 minutes after the match signing autographs, giving a 10 year old his headband from the match. I love this brattish attitude.

Great work Roger! 91% first serve points won. OMG what a brattish result!

Roger Federer. You are the best!


Madmax Says:

Daniel Says:
Madmax, there is a new tread for today’s match.

July 2nd, 2018 at 9:35 am

It’s okay Daniel. But thanks. Wanted to respond here, I won’t repeat myself over there!

He did it Daniel!

Whooo hoooo! What a brat!


Okiegal Says:

Margot….. On watching Rafa in Miami…… the couple I travel with wanted to take me to Miami
In March but they now keep a grand daughter and have to travel in the summer when the other grandmother is off for summer break as she is a school teacher….. but Rafa wasn’t there anyway. I’m thinking Mason, Ohio would be the venue for me, being it’s the closest to Oklahoma. It’s on my bucket list…….. I gotta hurry, no? Retirement is getting closer, I fear! EEEEK!


Okiegal Says:

@J-Kath…….”Nobody puts Baby in the corner”……….I’m saying this hoping you watched Dirty Dancing a time or two?? Well, the resident bully is back…………the word brat brings Fed fans to the yard! 🤪🤪🤪


AndyMira Says:

Hehehe…yeah Miss Okie!….Don’t say ANY bad words about Fed…We will get slap!Dush!kapow! to our head…But they can say ANYTHING about Rafa…Hey!!…Crazy world indeed!


Margot Says:

WOW! You gals are sooooo brave! ;)


skeezer Says:

Fed wins again! Signs with Uniqlo for 3 0 0 mil.
Congrats.


AndyMira Says:

Hehehe…We need to M!…We’ve decided that enough is enough!…We have to stand up for a Bullier…


skeezer Says:

Wait a sec, who is the bully here??


AndyMira Says:

U Skeeze!


AndyMira Says:

U & Madmax!…Other than that..No!


Madmax Says:

Hey!

Skeezer…….”Nobody puts Baby in the corner”……….I’m saying this hoping you watched Dirty Dancing a time or two?? Well, the resident bully is back…………the word brat brings Fed fans to the yard! 🤪🤪🤪 Oki by name, Bully by nature. Once we start responding by using facts, they can’t deal with this.

Bring it on Oki! Bring it on girl!


Okiegal Says:

Skeezer… That tennis brand is the ugliest gear on the planet…. hopefully Fed will throw some ideas out to them to spiffy the look up a bit…. it’s lacking…..but I see why he changed, money talks….. I don’t fault him for that…. he has 6 mouths to feed! His kiddos are so cute, btw……


Madmax Says:

AndyMira,

Far, far from it. Just a Federer fan who does not understand why J-Kath won’t accept the difference between Federer playing a whole tournament until the final, when his back was severely injured and came out to tell the crowd, as opposed to Murray who withdrew, before the tournament and told his fans.

The thing is AndyMira, I understand what Murray did. He did not want to further risk injury. Skeezer’s argument was completely correct.

There was a huge difference here and if you cannot take this fact, there is nothing I can do except to stick to the facts and agree with Skeezer. Now if you want to call me names, go head. Find that a bit rich, but I can take it.

Band of brothers.

Go easy now AndyMira. I’m feeling hurt. :-(


AndyMira Says:

Yeah!!Bring it on Miss Okie!!Woooohoooo!!…We put on great show tonight!!….Wheeeeeeeee!!


Okiegal Says:

@Margot….. I can’t answer for Mira, but I got up on the wrong side of the bed this morning…… I gotta a doctors appointment…… grrrr! But feeling BRAVE!! 😤😤😤


skeezer Says:

AM,m
You the bully. Or it appears you do not know the definition of one.

Ok,
Yeah not a fan of the brand either. But for 300mil I could be one! ;)


Margot Says:

OMG AM a bully now? Gotta intervene. AM is one of the most delightful people on here. Jeepers what IS going on? Can’t you guys take ANY criticism of Fed whatsoever without bringing out the nuclear option?


Margot Says:

Be brave OK and good luck!


Okiegal Says:

Deal with what?? I have been dealing with opinionated people on TX for years….That’s what happens on a public forum. Differing opinions….it’s sll good!


AndyMira Says:

Madmax…I respect u very much!…Believe it or not..In fact,I respect everybody here…And i am sorry if i really hurt u Madmax…But u wayyy to defensive when it comes to Fed…U should take it easy u know…I thought the word Brat is not that mean…

Many times when Miss Okie chatted with me & she called me brat too..or crazy girl..or silly women..And i just laugh coz i knew,it’s normal for older people called younger ones with that name…I think it’s their right coz younger peoples always behaved in crazy way & they just want to give us a gentle reprimand…Same with Fed here….I lost count how many times i chatted with Miss Okie in private & she only have great words about Roger…If she’s really a mean women,she’s already bad mouthed Roger to me…But she’s not!…She always praised Roger & rightly so coz he’s one of the Best!…

Oh!…I will try not to call u a Bully anymore okay Madmax?Would u please accept my apology with this?

http://i1.wp.com/www.greetingsfromheart.com/images/sorry/i-am-sorry-card-117.jpg?resize=806%2C605

Err…U like the flower madmax?


AndyMira Says:

Woohohohohoo!!….Thank u M!!…Love u!!..Oh!This is for u Milady!!

http://i.123g.us/c/thank_flower/card/321679.gif


skeezer Says:

Margot,
I did not go nuclear. Just don’t appreciate being called out as a bully, and it appears the word offends you also. It’s a cheap option to argue. The definition of one is not just having a simple disagreement on a subject. Geez already.
Nothing to do with Fed being called a brat, c’mon already again! If y’all think he is a brat, fine.
Out.


AndyMira Says:

Okay Skeeze if i’m a bully!…But i’m not the one who always took a dig at Fed…U did!…U always took a dig at Rafa & call him names too…Butt-pickers etc…If you’re happy took a dig at someone who’s unfortunate enough to have an OCD,which he can’t control…That’s not a bully?U came & harboured a few hurtful words & left….Okay!If u happy in doing so Skeeze… Just keep doing it…But don’t xpect me to keep silence about this anymore Skeeze…


Margot Says:

I don’t think you’re a bully skeeze, but you are a tease. And you’re the one who started all this with a totally unnecessary, in the circumstances, pop at Andy. Nor do I think you’re totally irrational about Fed either, unlike some.


Margot Says:

Wow again AM, but in a good way this time! That card made my poor eyes leap right out of my head……x


AndyMira Says:

Hehehehehe…Thank u Boss M!!


AndyMira Says:

Btw….CORIC IS OUT M!!!…AAAARRGGHHHHH!!….My poor Bracket keep on doing poor!!….What about u Boss??


Margot Says:

AM: I wont dare mention on this site what I had Borna the Bod doing….;)


AndyMira Says:

Oh Really M??Oh!..I gotta go & see it!!….

Hahahahahahaaha!!….M!!…I know whatchu doin!!!!..Hehehe…And thank u,thank u,thank u for picking Rafa in one of your Brackets!!….MUAHHHH!!


j-kath Says:

“Much ado about Nothing” – good reading for the very sensitive. Watch Tennis Guys and get over your sulks.


Margot Says:

Don’t go thanking me too soon, AM, judging by my picks so far! Eek!


AndyMira Says:

But picking Rafa at Wimby?When we all know he’s not having much success in 6 years?I had to thanked & kissed u for that M!!Hehehe..


Okiegal Says:

I’m shocked that Skeezer is OUT! I’ve seen him go toe to toe with Humble until the cows come home! Guess he knows it’s futile arguing with a woman…… Yeah…….we baaaad!!


Okiegal Says:

Margot and JK…. sure was hoping to see Andy at Wimby this year. If Rafa should go out…. bite my tongue….. I always had Andy as a back-up! I really like Andy and grass is his thing….. so irritating……injuries …….urgh!!!.


Van Persie Says:

Fed wearing Nole’s clothes…Nole playing Rod Laver’s cup this year… too weird for me. What the hell is happening in the tennis world????


j-kath Says:

Ah, Okie: Dinna worri lassie, oor Andy will be back.


j-kath Says:

Van Persie: Thank goodness U are back – I’ve been wailing at your door….been sending U flowers, chocolates, “forget-us-not” cards…..etc. etc.


j-kath Says:

C’mon Stan – the “Dim” one is pretty enuf, he doesn’t need to win.


Van Persie Says:

Thanks J-K,

Appreciate it. Was away and took a break from the entire routine.
Will check the presents asap. Hope it’s belgian chocolate ;)


Margot Says:

Oh dear Gorgeous Grig gonna lose….again :( But YAY! Katie Swan! One of Andy’s mentees.


Okiegal Says:

Yep JK in due time he’ll make a comeback…. and those can be rough on a body!! Lol


j-kath Says:

Okiegal: I take inspiration for Andy’s future from Stan.
Yep Margot, indeedie re. Katie Swan.
VP: Yep….you are a clever lady – re. the chocolates ….you’ll just have to use your taste buds.


j-kath Says:

Come on NORRIE – you must win to re-unite the nations of the UK.


Madmax Says:

Margot Says:
OMG AM a bully now? Gotta intervene. AM is one of the most delightful people on here. Jeepers what IS going on? Can’t you guys take ANY criticism of Fed whatsoever without bringing out the nuclear option?

We can take criticism Margot. Federer has an ego, is a brat, hates his oponents, and is completely selfish. Come on Roger! The worse thing about being talked about is not being talked about at all! You haven’t got to intervene Margot, but it’s great that you are a soul sister for your friends here.

July 2nd, 2018 at 10:50 am

So Margot, I would have to respectfully disagree with you. But I cannot be bothered to go into who said what. You want to take sides, you do that.

Andy Mira, don’t know you well enough to accept whether you are being real or being sarcastic. Just be yourself and enjoy the tournament.

Skeezer, you are NOT a bully and neither am I. The fact is, more rafa fans on this site than ever before, banding together. Good for them to think they are in good company. I couldn’t care less.

These a re the facts. Just as you said. Seems if anyone supports a Federer fan, we are always in the wrong. Childish. Ridiculous Bwahhh bwahhh. Rafa fans are somewhat biased, I don’t much care. Let them get on with it.

I thought Roger played well. Some really freakish shots. Also, he did well on hawk eye today. The tide is turning!

You go Roger. We love you! Brat or not.


Willow Says:

Not taking sides, just want to come here to talk tennis, and for the rare few Rafa fans left (which you can count on one hand anyway ) good luck to Rafa tomorrow ….


Okiegal Says:

@Skeeze regarding Fed’s new gear……. Like I said, money talks! I don’t blame him at all for making the switch! An expensive move for Uni…. they need to sharpin’ it up a bit…. much too plain for Roger…..he’s too dapper to represent this brand……me thinks!


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