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102 Comments for July Off Topic Thread

Margot Says:

YAY! Boris Embarrassing Johnson resigns. Together with David No Brain Cells Davis. A great day!


Okiegal Says:

I will put this on off topic thread..,.Trump was elected because people were tired of career politicians……This was the main topic during the campaign and murdering fetuses that have a beating heart…..heartbreaking…….💔💔💔


Margot Says:

https://www.indy100.com/article/trump-protests-latest-funny-signs-london-visit-theresa-may-8446066
Look closely, you might see me….;) Don’t look if you are a Right Wing Trumpeter, however, it might be bad for your blood pressure.
Agree with you about Clinton OKgiel, yet another “career politician” if only the democrats had chosen another candidate they would’ve won…oh wait…
As for “murdering foetuses” fine you have that opinion but what makes you think you have the right to impose it on other women?


j-kath Says:

I don’t get myself too excited about Trump – I wouldn’t have voted for him but I also wouldn’t have voted for Hilary…

Trump makes one’s eyes pop and ears wiggle who but Trump would tell the current incumbent that Boris Johnston would make an excellent Prime Minister. Man, you got to give one of those deep throated guffaws.


Okiegal Says:

Margot…….You ask what makes me think I have the right to impose it on other women?? A vote…….


Margot Says:

OKgiel: 1) Trump actually didn’t get a majority vote
2) So you think the state should intervene in personal/moral decisions? Where do you draw your lines there? Or are there no lines? I thought many Americans were pretty much against state intervention of any kind?
3) Where do you draw your lines? Rape? Health of mother? Child pregnancy? Gross abnormality of foetus? Or are there no lines?


j-kath Says:

I want to protest at our UK Parliament – for crying out loud – Brexit, Brexit and Brexit —- all parties should have been involved from the beginning – this should not be solely a party matter – for goodness sake – I can’t believe these people are supposedly governing us – Margot – I no longer care who voted for In or Out – just deal with it.

Disgusted.
K


skeezer Says:

Margot,
Those arguments always boil down to when is a baby, a baby, a living breathing human being. Remember, the woman who is bearing the child has rights, but so does a baby who does not have a choice in that matter. To me it goes back and forth and back and forth. Close to 50 % of America goes one way or the other on the vote and issue of that subject. So what happens is depending on who is in power. Lines? There are definitely lines in the sand of opposing views of each and that is that. It seems like that will never change. There are no other “lines”.
As OK so astutely mentioned, what THAT comes down to is the power of the vote. Don’t like something? Organize, vote, get out and try to make a difference.
As you mentioned was also correct from many point of view. They did not like either candidate when they ran, and the opposing sides equally got into hatred of each other. This is the result of what you have today. A lot of hate on both sides. I mean, where is the love nowadays? And who won? Really, nobody. Both political sides are to blame as they could not come up with a candidate worthy of POTUS. So next election, hope they get it right.


skeezer Says:

OMG I am talking politics.
You just got a time out skeezer!


Markus Says:

Social media has made it easy to hate and to make you hate. It’s folie a deux on a grander scale.


BBB Says:

skeezer, I will disagree. It’s not about when a baby is a baby – it’s when a fetus is viable, i.e., can survive outside the womb.


Okiegal Says:

Electoral college….instituted in 1804…. heavily populated areas could control the vote….thus the electoral college….and not the first time popular vote did not win. Yes there are lines but the majority of abortions are from a night of a passionate unprotected love making session……I know several women from my hometown…. not one pregnancy was a result of rape or an abnormal fetus. Now I don’t know a child who was a victim of incest….I’m sure there have been some and also some from high risk birth that would harm the mother… yes there are lines. The bottom line is it’s legal in the USA and I’m sure it will never change. I googled how many babies were aborted in the USA alone….the number is staggering….3000 per day…..world wide 125,000 per day….I will never change my view on this….which is my God given right. I can vote to try to make a difference and I will….Skeezer is right …and I’ve said this on TX before…..both choices were poor…..so I went with the party platform. If I’m looked down on this do be it……


Okiegal Says:

^^^^. If I am looked down on for this …. so be it…..should say…..


Okiegal Says:

Agree with Skeezer on this BBB. About 3 weeks, one day after fertilization, when the heart first begins to beat, the sound of the little heart is too soft to hear. Very soon thereafter, they can see the motion using ultrasound technology. By the time the mother to be even knows she’s pregnant….there is a little human being inside her womb…
When a pregnant woman in the USA is murdered …… two charges of murder are filed against the perpetrator…..the loss the child is taken into consideration. There is nothing anyone can say regarding this issue that will change my mind…..so don’t try because I will ignore it…..I’m adamant about this…..THE END!!


Okiegal Says:

Regarding when a fetus is viable…..when it can survive outside the womb???? Well if it’s aborted there’s no chance of that happening…..duh!!


Markus Says:

Okie, I’m with you on this issue.


AndyMira Says:

Err…Sorry to jump in…But,what if the mother has some kind of illness that can’t keep on carrying her child till birth?And what about those women who get raped by murderer,rapist,other criminals?


Okiegal Says:

@Markus…..So glad you are, that makes me happy!!


Margot Says:

OKgiel and others:
1) Millions of desperate women have died, are dyeing, will die in countries where abortion is illegal
2) A woman has the right to choose, her body is her own, it does not belong to anyone else and that includes the right to decide what goes on in her womb. If you think otherwise then you line up with Hitler. I suggest you read “The Handmaid’s Tale” by Attwood, if you need further convincing
3) If you are anti abortion yet pro uncontrolled gun ownership, then your moral universe is very flawed.
BTW OK, what goes on on the off topic thread, stays on the off topic thread :)
Kath: I am in a permanent state of rage,I completely agree with you. All politicians should be working together for the good of the country not trying to tear each other and our country apart. I am beyond disgusted!


Wog Boy Says:

Okie, 100% with you.
Woman is the owner of her body, but when that body becomes two bodies she is not the sole owner of the second body, somebody has to speak for that second body that doesn’t have the voice and came to existence without asking for it.
It is great feeling… “ohh yes, go for it, ohh it’s so good, don’t stop it…”, but next morning you have to take responsibility for what you have done night before (without protection).
Just to clarify, this doesn’t include rape, health issues for mother and baby, I am talking about having a pleasure and then don’t take responsibility for it the day after and life after but taking easy way out, killing unborn child.
I have daughters, I would do anything in my power to make them keep the child, otherwise I would disown them, without any regrets, and that has nothing to do with religion but humanity, full stop!!
PS
I didn’t intend to come back before USO, but subject is too itchy to resist.


Margot Says:

Morning after pill, sorts that one out. Or should that be a “crime” as well?


Okiegal Says:

@Wog Boy 4:54……100% spot on!


Okiegal Says:

@Margot says…..Ok what goes on off topic thread, stays on the off topic thread??? Did I jump the lines?? That’s never happened before?? Yeah right!!

BTW I read the Holy Bible…..that’s what convinced me! I need no other book……..


Okiegal Says:

I’m flawed no doubt about it……..I’ve never claimed to be perfect. There was only one perfect one………the Bible tells me so! I believe I have the right to protect myself……but I think the laws in my nation need to be tweaked a bit. Mental health records are closed to public scrutiny……they need to be on the list of records that can be included when doing background checks on the person who is purchasing a new firearm. That is terribly flawed. Then if that record is opened up you will have the ACLU upset…..the best goes on…..
We will continue to agree to disagree…….Margot have a good day!!


Okiegal Says:

^^^^^correction….. the BEAT goes in….


Okiegal Says:

I pay no attention to what goes on political wise in other countries. Could care less……I’m not gonna get my panties in a twist about what’s going on abroad…….something I would have no sayso over………anyway…….I have my hands full keeping up with politics in my own country………


BBB Says:

You don’t agree with me, Okie, because a fetus at 3 weeks is not viable.


BBB Says:

If you’re ok with terminating a pregnancy in the case where a woman is raped, then it’s not about whether the fetus has a heartbeat or not.


skeezer Says:

BBB,
What happens to the plethora of unwanted/unexpected pregnancies that get aborted WAY past the 3 weeks as you opined? This has happened, and is happening probably right now.
There should for sure be exceptions to extenuating circumstances. But who governs that? Who decides that? The government? You mean the one that is in charge now, the one that is gonna be in the future? You and I both know that will sway back in forth, back and forth, and in the end everyone gets hurt. Yes, I AM Debbie Downer ;)
There is always a counter argument at this topic, both ways, and why ( sad, too me ) it will never ever be resolved one way or another( although you probably would whip my b3tt in a court of law on the topic ;) )


Margot Says:

skeeze: As long as you’re not hurting anyone, I really don’t care what religion you choose to follow. Just don’t go imposing your religious views/morality on me or anyone else. (Obviously I don’t mean you skeeze. I mean “you” in general.)


Okiegal Says:

@Skeezer 1135……Great post! We may not agree on tennis players, but we agree on this. I appreciate your post…. spot on! There are extenuating circumstances that would call for abortion….I’m not referring to those. I’ll

I have a good friend I worked with…. she wanted a child in the worst way..She got pregnant and it did not go well. The little baby girl was deformed…..spina bifada. She had to make a decision …..the doctors convinced her to abort the baby which she did after much soul searching. She was devastated by this decision. She hasn’t been the same since the loss of her child. It’s messed her up bad…… she was pitiful through this ordeal. She had a reason…, I also know a girl who’s had four abortions… birth control would be a great thing for her to practice! Babies are being aborted way past 3 weeks…..it’s horrendous how old these babies are when they’re being aborted…..it’s heart wrenching……💔💔💔


Margot Says:

Every child a wanted child.


Okiegal Says:

Margot I’m not imposing any religion on you. If I was an infidel…. a non-believer….I would still be against abortion. Actually you would have more of a gripe with me if you lived in the USA…..this is all a moot point. I don’t won’t our disagreement to become an issue between us. We’ve gotten along pretty well on this forum with the exception of differences in opinions regarding political issues. I’m not mad , are you? Have a good evening!!


skeezer Says:

Margot,
👍


BBB Says:

I understand your perspective, skeezer, and I think Roe was a reasoned effort to balance the rights involved. Hence, viability, when the baby is no longer dependent on the mother for survival.

More generally, I find quite frustrating the fixation on fetuses before they’re born, and the sheer indifference to them after they make it into the world. I hope everyone who’s happy to see Roe v Wade overturned spent just as much money to get CHIP extended, which was harder than it should have been. For example.

Or do we only care about the heartbeats of the unborn.


Margot Says:

OKgiel: That’s what I meant by my post above. I wont carry our disagreement on here onto any other thread. I just don’t do that kind of thing. I don’t bear grudges and I can’t stand folk who do.
BBB: Exactly. If only we cared about these unwanted children after they are born, how much misery in this world would be spared. Children have a right to be loved and cared for, free from fear. But alas, alas.
Every child a wanted child.


skeezer Says:

“Every child a wanted child.”
Couldn’t agree more.
I think if they left it all up to us here diebating about it we could come up with the better answers.
:)


j-kath Says:

Okiegal: As you may recall, my husband was American and I continue to have a number of US friends from his college days (and still visit yearly ..last visit May 2018).

I am sometimes astonished by the different views and laws passed between States – I wonder whether there are contrary views and LAWS from one State to another on the question of (1) abortion and (2)gun laws.

PS: Before my “time” my hubby used to go shooting with his father – in my time he destroyed all photos of his father and himself holding up dead animals.


Daniel Says:

Margot,

Totally agree with you on this rather polarizing topic. I, who live in a thrid world country, suffer this everyday, seeing the amount of unweanted child insanelly increasing, specially within deprived population.

The ones who suffer the most are the children which will be unloved and un care of. Majority of poeple (globally) are not prepare to be parents and most have babies to fill the void int heir empty lives and fear of growing old “alone”, as if the children has an obligation to take care of them.

I had a female friend who got pregnant from a maried man as she thought he would leave her wife for her. Guess who is gona pay the price as their marriage is still on and she is a single mother with a child who eventually will understand the circunstances of her coming?!

People are not sane and mature enough to be parents, i mean proper parents, for at least full 18 years, let alone have to decide just because they were not protective in a sexual relationship. The children are the ones who pay it, all the time.

The world is already too much populated for people to be with catholic guilty (I am catholic myself) and not thinking long term.


Okiegal Says:

@Margot… I don’t want to be a bearer of grudges either, so we’re all good and that’s nice to know!🌿🌿


Okiegal Says:

There are plenty of couples in the world who want to have children and can’t…….the avenue of adoption is another option…….that is what used to happen ……


AndyMira Says:

Ermm…i wanna share a story..it happen on this side of the world nowadays…it’s scary..this new trend..

A week ago,a newborn baby[still attached with umbilical cord & blood] was thrown from 5th floor at an apartment somewhere here..

Other cases,newborn babies were dumped in a toilet,in a trashcan,in a coconut field with ants filling her nose,ears..everywhere…

We talking about abortion & stuff here…But the hard & scary reality already hit 3rd world country in full speed…I don’t know why they do it…I guess,from desperation,scared,panic,heartless,moralless,no money?I don’t know…All i know is that..they’re trying very hard to be an animal…even low than animal…coz most animals love their babies to bits!…And i made a conclusion…when they want to get rid of it…they still wanna do it..whether the fetus@babies still in a womb..or outside of it…That’s the reality…


Margot Says:

Daniel: You are so right, sad, neglected, starving, unloved, abused children pay the price.
AM: Not “animals” but desperate women living in poverty, would be my guess. And examples of the horrible consequences of forcing women to carry on with unwanted pregnancies.


AndyMira Says:

M…It’s not poverty M[i'm talking about my country k?,and not other countries]…I’ve never heard poor peoples did that…Never!..But,all the cases usually involving desperate women yes…Uni students,single womens with unexpected pregnancies…Migrants…


j-kath Says:

Okiegal:

.the avenue of adoption is another option..

It is evidently so much more difficult to adopt than it used to be. When I hear people’s difficulties (house not suitable; people’s lifestyle examined to an uncomfortable degree; financial matters; even health levels plus the length of time the Authorities take – can be years etc., etc).


Margot Says:

AM: Even in your country there will be pockets of poverty. Heck in the UK, one of the richest nations, we have shocking poverty, people reliant on food banks, a growing army of homeless, children going to school hungry and ill clothed and families, evicted from their homes, living in one room hostels.


BBB Says:

j-k, let’s also note that most people looking to adopt want healthy white babies. Adoption is a nice talking point, but not the reality.


Okiegal Says:

The church I attend sponsor and support an orphanage in Cap-Haitien, Haiti. There are probably 10 white families in my home town who have adopted Haitian children. I have a cousin who adopted a black child. The Robertson families of Duck Dynasty fame also have adopted black children. So a lot of adoptions are couples who want a child who is less fortunate. Everyone of these families I’m speaking of already have children of their own. My niece can’t have children and she adopted a little boy. He is autistic. He is constantly in couseling. He is one lucky little boy to have been adopted by Risa and Tim…..they are so patient with him….. as he’s a handful being autistic…….So there are exceptions….. some couples want a child so badly it doesn’t matter what the color of their skin is or if their health is perfect……..


Okiegal Says:

@BBB @ 8:02…… Adoption can be a reality…..but children aren’t available as they once were….Unwed mothers tend to keep their child this day in age……or chose the abortion route……which is a legal option in the USA……unless Roe vs Wade is overturned…..


Margot Says:

A drop in the ocean Okgiel, and not sure of the ethics of whisking kids out of their own culture, lots of horror stories.
Don’t think people in the UK are allowed to do it any more.


Daniel Says:

I work in downtown Rio and yesterday I believe a 3-4 year old kid was already “selling” candy in the streets in one of the busiest parts in Brazil. His “mother” was in the area close by and with other children doing the same.

Adoption should be the solution but the process, as JK mention, is to burocrat and extense. It doesn’t solve the problem.

Here in Brazil also, we have another healthy issue where public service can cope with demand. There was a women who was on her 4 pregnancy at 23 yld and she was in a 6 month wating list to have her horn connection, which she couln’t do and got preganant again. Poor peole don’t use condom (its a fact) and most don’t abort, so they keep producing babies in scale and the never ending loop of poverty, uneducattion, criminality continues.

People have to stop having children in the sclae they are, globally! All major problems we are gonna face in next 30-50 years is overpopulation related.


BBB Says:

Okie that’s just not accurate. The availability of abortion does not mean that people actually have access to it, for all sorts of reasons. Look at Texas for example, which sought to restrict the location of clinics for the express purpose of making it de facto unavailable. Don’t worry – well-to-do white people can cross state lines, or national borders, which lets them freely support restriction of the option because it only affects other people.

There are plenty of children of color out there that white people don’t want to adopt. Plenty of children who need to be fostered, who can’t find a home.

This is the foolishness of trying to defund Planned Parenthood, which supplies education and birth control to women who would otherwise not have access to it.

But it’s already been made clear here that the objection to abortion is not the fetal heartbeat, but the desire to hold accountable women who had the temerity to have, and enjoy, unprotected sex – while the men who did the same escape the consequences.

Make no mistake – there was a moment in time when the Republican Party, which used to be neutral on choice, decided this was an issue that would secure it votes, and changed its platform accordingly. And it happened right around the time women started gaining traction in the workforce.


Margot Says:

It’s the same in Catholic countries where birth control is outlawed. Rich, educated, middle class people can access it easily, the poor and uneducated cannot.


Okiegal Says:

Here’s another problem that irks me on birth control regarding the poor not being able to afford it.These same poor people have cell phones, smoke and buy their beer but do not have money for a condom??? They don’t want birth control because they want to have a litter of children and have access to our welfare system. They don’t have to work because the government takes good care of them. They get a check and food stamps and don’t have to hit a lick. If the recipient of welfare is a single woman she gets a big check from the US government at income tax time. The more kids the bigger the check. I knew a gal that got $7000.00 back…..she had 4 kids btw………Please don’t think I’m a snob because I’m not. I feel sorry people who are disabled and can’t work and the elderly…..but the healthy ones who can work…..are abusing the system big time. I know first hand because there is one in my family who smokes drinks has a cell phone and buys weed! Has two kids … not married….the couple gets a lot more stuff not married!!! You talk about something flawed…..They are talking about legislation to make it mandatory to drug test all welfare recipients……Prople need to get off of their behinds and go to work!!


Okiegal Says:

^^^^People not propel…. well something needs to propel people to work!! LOL


Okiegal Says:

Drugs is the universal culprit in a lot of these problems….


j-kath Says:

Daniel: I agree with you:

People have to stop having children on the scale they are, globally! All major problems we are gonna face in next 30-50 years is overpopulation related.

China reduced the number of children allowed per family to one – I think they have upped that to two – while here in the UK the size of some families is outrageous given that they live very comfortably on the State, similar to what Okie said about the US.

I think we are already facing over-population. It’s a reality that the scientific community are seriously involved in research to identify a planet capable of supporting mankind. Their time-table is within 100 years for the first settlers…(can’t remember the planet they have chosen – has supposedly similar conditions as earth).


Margot Says:

Daniel: The only way to break that cycle of deprivation is to educate women and give them free and easy access to contraception. Is there the political will to do that in your country, or is the Catholic church too strong?
Goodness me, am I really hearing the, “let’s blame the feckless, undeserving poor for their poverty?” I do hope not.


Daniel Says:

Oki,

Regaridng your topic of poor people and gadgets but not buying safe control, I had a theory rather “prejudice” seeing the scenario here in Brazil regaridng sex in general: poor peole do it way more often than educated people and they are more free about it also. Its a compesantion effect for their “status”. They are not attached too much to social conventions, what other people will thing say and etc, they just do it. Its a cultural thing. People from favelas here, the music they hear incentivate sex all the time since young age. Their parents are not on top of them regulating all the time so they do it. Average start age is 12-13?!?!?!

I am a manager in an oil businees company and have to scheudle 20 employees below me, all male, and when they are away from home more than 7 days they start getting itchy and personnaly request me days off due to having to go back home. 6 are expecting babies right now and most are on their second if not more children.

For an example, my family is not upscale, middle class but I remember a time my sister told me she was 6 months wihtoug getting any action. This is just unthinkale in poor people mentality.

Conclusion, the more sex you do and the earlier you started it, the higher the odds.

All my friends have max 2 kids. Only one couple out of 500 people I know (duirectly or indirectly, firend of a firend) which are above 30 yld right now have 3 kids, and that because they had 2 boys and wanted a girl and the third was also a boy.

Also agre, people here live in favelas but they had air condtioning and LED tv, go figure. The standards and priorites are all f#$% up! Just mass consume.


Daniel Says:

Margot,

Here we are mostly Catholic or other Christian relgions. But most are not “active” and we are way more liberal and moderated than those xiita guilty / sin types. People are just baptized as catholic and depending on parenting, but you can count in one hand those who actually go to church regulalry.

So people are conflicted, for exmaple I knwo several female firends that did it, but all had huge guilty and mental dilemas. Very few, just went without second guessin. I guess it must be for all woman.

Birht control is intense, contraceptive is largely spread and cheap; also condoms. But majority of polulation don’t like condoms here. Hence our HIV is increasing and other DST as well.

Its mainly a education issue, here people still thorw trash in streets and at beaches, they just don´t care.

There is a saying the summarize as perfectly: Brazilians are a bunch of people individually trying to succeed on their own, getting fu#$%@ together!


Margot Says:

Thank you Daniel, so interesting to have an insight into a completely different culture. So what is your education like? Are women encouraged to go into higher education and get good jobs? Its got a lot better here but working class girls still have low aspirations.


Okiegal Says:

@Margot… my last post on this subject I accidentally put on the David Ferrer thread…so sorry… a Sr moment….turned into a sr mistake……please forgive!!


Daniel Says:

Margot,

Woman are increasingly in major positions, I think more than half of working force in Brazil are woman already.

We still are a very chauvinist country, some positions women are less paied and politics for example have very few representation, think lests than 20%. But we got a lot of successfull CEOs.

My field is still male dominant: offshore, operations, engineering, so women are more in administrative jobs such as finance department, legal and HR. Very few in Operations.

Services is dead even, all medicine related are 50-50, so with law bar the big positons, such as judges.

Population we have more woman than man alreay and bar the rural areas, very few woman don’t work. My field still got some “Oil Wifes” who don’t work, mostly due to nature of job, men going offshore etc…

Feminist movement is increasing but majority make a fuss out of it, saying they are feminizis. There was a video during world cup where a bunch of well born men were making fun of a blond pretty russian girl on video making her say in portuguese “pink p…y”!
Some of them even lost their jobs, but it polaryzed public opinion.

A lot of “rape culture” still going on and criminality and abuse agaisnt women (under age) is ridiculously high here. So as woman death rate. Similar to gay cimunity and mostly trans. Our metro trains have dedicated woman areas during rush hours as when they are full, some man use the oportunity to abuse woman.

Outside the main citys its like people have a mentality of 50 years ago. Sao Paulo and Rio are not the standard for the whole country.


Okiegal Says:

@Daniel……Thanks for your comment…….agree with Margot on hearing about the cultural aspect of it all regarding your country……..interesting and sad. The bottom line ….where sex is concerned there are clearly no answers…. ..


Daniel Says:

Margot,

Woman are increasingly in major positions, I think more than half of working force in Brazil are woman already.

We still are a very chauvinist country, some positions women are less paied and politics for example have very few representation, think lests than 20%. But we got a lot of successfull CEOs.

My field is still male dominant: offshore, operations, engineering, so women are more in administrative jobs such as finance department, legal and HR. Very few in Operations.

Services is dead even, all medicine related are 50-50, so with law bar the big positons, such as judges.

Population we have more woman than man alreay and bar the rural areas, very few woman don’t work. My field still got some “Oil Wifes” who don’t work, mostly due to nature of job, men going offshore etc…

Feminist movement is increasing but majority make a fuss out of it, saying they are feminizis. There was a video during world cup where a bunch of well born men were making fun of a blond pretty russian girl on video making her say in portuguese “pink p…y”!
Some of them even lost their jobs, but it polaryzed public opinion.

A lot of “rape culture” still going on and criminality and abuse agaisnt women (under age) is ridiculously high here. So as woman death rate. Similar in homosexual community and trans. Our metro trains have dedicated woman areas during rush hours, some man use the oportunity to abuse woman.

Outside the main citys its like people have a mentality of 50 years ago. Sao Paulo and Rio are not the standard for the whole country.


j-kath Says:

Daniel: My husband was a geologist who also worked in the petroleum industry – although his expertise was core analysis…..the conditions you currently experience sound unhappily familiar –

The UK, the US and other western-ethos countries are distressing in view of the subject under discussion, but not as distressing as 70% of the rest of the world.


BBB Says:

okie, are you as angry about corporate welfare?


Humble Rafa Says:

I don’t often visit this thread. Oh boy, lot of angry, opinionated people here. Wow.


el_matador Says:

1)in the “proper” 3rd world countries like mine,the value of a “life” is as little as it gets..many “people” actually don’t live,they just pass time..its as bad or worse than abortion..but nobody in the world cares about them😂
2)I agree trump is xenophobic,racist but he’s not “fake” like other “politicians”..& these “politicians” are suddenly ultra liberal & preach those “u.s. is the leader of the free world” bollocks..they never cared for the world,they made many countries unstable,they always talk about “islamic extremism” yet always kiss the behind of saudi who have been single handedly spreading “islamic extremism” in our region..where were these “liberals” then?..& democrats would not support a free-thinker like bernie over bloody hillary..so I’m a trump “fan”😎😂..atleast he’s not hypocrite..& he’s veryyy entertaining😍😍
3)I just hope that we could get rid of all the “religions”..the purposes of these things were supposed to make the morality of people strong,make people kind blah blah..well guess what?..there is no greater weapon of division,racism,discrimination than this “religion” crap..


Margot Says:

Daniel: Thanks so much, so interesting. Sounds a great society….to be a man in…;)
el_ matador:
1) Not qualified to comment on
2) Completely agree except with “Trump fan” bit! I personally believe he is a dangerous, unbalanced lunatic! Now for his bad points…;) Unfortunately, when America sneezes, the rest of the world catches a cold.
3) Completely agree re religion, caused/causes so many of the wars in this world. As Marx said, “the opiate of the people.”


j-kath Says:

Collectively, the combination of the posts on this thread
remind me of Martina Cole’s novels – awesome and horrific ….
apologies for being frivolous, perhaps we could sell her the content!!!!!!


Daniel Says:

J-K,

I am addicted to The Handmaids Tales TV show, awesome. I feel both attachd and disgusted, kind of feel bad after it, but can’t stop watching. Must see show.

Also there is a part of society: Male, Straight, White that are losing “ground” and they are pissed off. I am a movie geek and the recent Stars Wars phenomenon exemplified this: the geeks boycotted last SW Solo movie as they hated Star Wars Ep 8 – The Last Jedi, because it had too much (in their view) political agenda and Woman empowerment, os ar they say: SJW (social justice warrior) agenda.

It came to a point where recently the head of Lucas Film, Kathleen Kennedy (a woman) was fired due to the backlash.
Same people that complained that Mad Max Fury Road was not a mad max film as the main character was Charlize Theron.

It amazes me and scare at the same time, and that is not a “white trash” parcel of Americna society, they are educated, with money to spent and time to go online, and in a way they are influential, some have youtube channels, blogs, etc..

But it goes with the people rulling the satus quo doesn’t want it to change.


skeezer Says:

Daniel,
Kathleen.Kennedy is just a rumor so far no?
Love SW, FA was awesome. TLJ meh.


j-kath Says:

Daniel: I didn’t get into Star Wars soon enuf – have a nephew (a fully grown adult)whose bedroom is over-flowing with the characters…He must have about £5,000′s worth. The Handmaiden’s tale – I watch when I can – one has to remember to breath!

I think the must-have society is fully embedded – in the UK as well as the States – when something new hits the market – its A MUST HAVE – even if it’s just a new implement to cut your nails – but it doesn’t stop there – a new bathroom suite seems to be a necessity every 18 months; a high tech. vacuum; new kitchens etc. etc. – the throw-away society – people with money and a sense of entitlement. I simply can’t keep up with the rapidity of a changing world….until I gaze out the window and see the sea lapping the shore.


Daniel Says:

Skeeze,

As far as I know, is pretty set, I think she stays just until September. Disney is finding a hard time to replace her as no one wants that postion.

J-K.

Indeed, consume goods also doesn’t last anymore.

I have a MacBook Air 2011 in good shape as I hardly move it outside home. Batery went down and when I tried to replace in an authoryzed store they say it was “vintage” hence no official parts anymore. Had to replace it (much cheaper actually) with a generic model. It works just fine. But a computer or phone is only suppose to last 3-5 years, than you have to replace it?! Bizarre.

There is a book by a japanese Marie Kondo, very usefull for organizing home and stuff. She basically says that you only have to keep books, clothes, funriture and item sthat actually makes you feel good or bring lovge to it. Everything else is disposable.
Our society is set to acumulate unnecsary things, my MO lately is to only purchase anyhting new if I am selling or donating and older item. Also trying to make some money selling used clothes and gadgets anytime I can as there is a increasingly demand for these used goods.


Okiegal Says:

@BBB 8:23…….Corporate welfare?? Are you talking about the tax breaks that the big corporations are privy to?? They employ lots of people which is a very important thing…..but I do think they get too many. But to answer your question, there is nothing that angers me like abortion……….Abortion and rape?? A friend of mine was a result of rape. His Mom chose to have him. This was in the days before legal abortion but she was a nurse and worked for a doctor….could have probably gotten one illegally but didn’t and the son she bore is a wonderful person and very successful.


skeezer Says:

Daniel,
That would be a shame if true, she was Lucas’s right hand and chose her to take over the SW franchise. KK has had her producing name on some of the most popular films of all time, and not just SW.
Disney reaching to high for the almighty dollar, need a little more patience imo.


j-kath Says:

Daniel: You strike a chord with your selling and/or donating:

I have this very bad joke that explains how I’ve spent my so-called leisure time since my hubbie’s accident/death…..I say he was collecting while he was in the womb….e.g. the papers I’ve burned and still burning – plus storage boxes…with stuff like Concord memorabilia, Arrowheads, old coins et al.

Like you I am selling or donating and find it absorbing- I’ve even made a new US friend wanting anything on fishing (his father wrote a fishing guide etc. – so I sent it – I didn’t charge).

Yes, I shall find Marie Kondo’s book – thank you for recommending – I’m already sure I will be able to endorse it.
Kath


BBB Says:

I’m talking about the tax cuts that were largely spent on share buybacks rather than hiring people. You were complaining about poor people not making responsible decisions and being beneficiaries of welfare, which is equally true of corporations that make poor decisions (hello financial crisis) and benefiting from welfare. Tax breaks not tied to investment; subsidies; preferential access to the judicial system; preferential access to legislators.

All the same, I wonder why it’s so important to make people with poor decision-making skills (the people which you describe with contempt) have babies, which of course tends to reinforce the cycle of poverty, which reinforces the poor decision-making.


Margot Says:

Daniel: You and everybody else need to see this film. The audience left the cinema in tears and determined to try and eliminate one use plastic, at the very least, from their lives
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2018/mar/12/albatross-film-dead-chicks-plastic-saving-birds
BBB: you are beating your head against a pitiless brick wall, these are the kind of beliefs that get medical staff murdered outside abortion clinics. The politics of fear.
Okgiegal: Nobody would argue that women should be free to keep children conceived through rape, as long as the child is raised with love, in decent circumstances,surely no-one would have a problem. But it’s anecdote and proves nothing. We are talking about the right of all women to choose.
Gotta say I found it weirdly odd that the mother chose to tell him tho. What kind of effect would that have on a child? Surely better to tell him he was conceived in a one night stand after a drunken party? Or was she afraid he’d blame her in those circumstances? Whatever, was about her needs not his and I find it shocking.


j-kath Says:

Margot: I dare not look at your plastic environment link – I’m too selfish, it would ruin my day and possibly my sleep. I feel like crying about it whenever it features on TV….pictures from across the globe.

I do a little foraging on the beach whenever I can..(driftwood) – and I’m happy to tell you that very rarely do I see any beached plastic – what’s it like close to you?


Mystic - Willow Says:

Might be in a minority but when it comes to SW i never bought into all the hype, only ever saw it with the nephews and nieces when they were little, same with GOT people over here go mad for it, watched it once and it didnt do anything for me, each to their own i suppose ….


Mystic - Willow Says:

J-Kath shared a link only this morning on FB and all the plastic in our oceans, i live near the sea and its pretty bad where i am sadly ….


Margot Says:

Bad Kath. :( Bi-annual beach clean gathers tons of plastic, plastic fishing nets, plastic fishing lines, plastic bottles, plastic bags, plastic brushes, you name it, we got it.


j-kath Says:

Margot & Mystic-Willow: There’s a beach check here on Sunday – but I’ve been on the beach 2/3 times this week and its fine…I can only surmise this is in conjunction with the annual clearing by tractor of pebbles to improve the swimming area in preparation for the English tourists now their schools are closed.

Can it possibly be tidal? Anyways, won’t go on about it but if I ever have an answer, I’ll let you know.


Okiegal Says:

@Margot…..I’m not sure just how much he knew. It could have been date rape. My best friend in high school was engaged to him. I think as a young kid he had some issues regarding his biological father…..His grandparents raised him and he took his Mom’s maiden name. But as I said I guess he came to terms with it…..he’s well adjusted. He is a great Dad and raised two hoid kids. He was an air traffic controller at the Dallas Ft. Worth airport. So you got to have it all together to do that……..as that’s a very stressful job. He was born in 1944….lots of things have changed since then. I’m sure there was lots of gossip about it when it happened. Your thought has made me think too… I assumed he knew but maybe not. That would be a tough thing to tell a child he was the result of rape. A sad story but very true……


Okiegal Says:

I could say something right now, but I will let it slide by…..


Mystic - Willow Says:

Best way sometimes Okie ….


Okiegal Says:

@Mystic – Willow 1:15………Yeppers! 🙊


Margot Says:

GERAINT! Whoopee! Cymru am byth!
AM: Jalep’s challenge seems corrupted and I can’t do it anymore. Is it just me? Haven’t “seen” jalep for ages to ask her.


AndyMira Says:

Hehe M!…I was looking for your answer on usual tennis thread!And it turned out you’re lurking in here!!..U!!..hehehe…

Ohh!!…Yeaaahhhh!!…That’s what i meant too!!..Corrupted/Broken??So,what should we do M??TDC this week is crazy good especially at ATP Washington!Loaded with Top players!Urgh!!…It’s a shame if we can’t participate on that!…

Anyway,our jalep is on another break M…From my experience,it’s impossible to ask her anything when she’s in ‘vacation’ mode…Just hope that TDC will back to normal the moment Tourney will start tomorrow!


Margot Says:

AM: Thanks for replying. Glad it’s not just me! Darn it, I’m sure we would’ve won too…;)


Margot Says:

RZ: I think you live in California? If yes, hope you are OK.


AndyMira Says:

Yes RZ…U,your family,friends & home…Hope you’re in other parts of the raging fire…Stay safe there k?


Mystic - Willow Says:

Stay safe RZ, theres been some fires here in Norflk too, as its been so dry 6 weeks no rain we arent used to it here in Britain eek ….


j-kath Says:

Margot

“GERAINT! Whoopee! Cymru am byth!”

Congrats – thought of you.


j-kath Says:

RZ:

Hope U are nowhere near Redding, CA….know it…or should I say “knew it well” donkey’s years ago – stayed there for 3 months…main hope is that you are Well and Safe and the misery so many are experiencing abates quickly…


AndyMira Says:

M!…TDC IS BACK TO NORMAL!!!….LET’S DO IT!!…WHOOOOO!!!…WHO’S A@#ES GOING TO GOT KICK??…AH’AH!!..NOT ME!!…RUN M!..RUN!!…YEEHAA!!!


Margot Says:

AM: Thanks honey :)


AndyMira Says:

Hehehe….You’re welcome Boss!…Oh!Btw…https://i.pinimg.com/originals/7b/ff/86/7bff8670a655a8d11963a74b6defc0c1.gif…For winning Atlanta Bracket!..YAAYYYY!!…

Ouch!…U kicked me pretty hard there Boss!Hehehe….

Good luck for this week Brackets M!


RZ Says:

Thanks all for the good thoughts. Sorry for the late reply – been very busy with work. Safe and sound for this round of fires so far. Last autumn was dicey, though. 2 of the fires came within a few miles and for one of them we were evacuated. Unfortunately due to climate change, California now has a year-round fire season.


AndyMira Says:

RZ!…Glad u’re okay sis!!

PS…Since many peoples predict Andy will not win against Kyle[not me RZ!]..i think it’s a good thing too u not watch him play RZ!..We need help from all sources!


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