Serena Williams v Osaka, Who Idolizes Her, in US Open Final
by Staff | September 6th, 2018, 11:32 pm
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The good news is Serena Williams is in the final of her home US Open.


The bad news — she’s facing a player she lost to comprehensively in their most recent meeting.

The six-time US Open champion Williams won 12 of the last 13 games to beat Anastasija Sevastova 6-3, 6-0 to gain the final on Thursday in her quest for a record 24th Grand Slam championship.

Williams found herself down 0-2 in the first set but went on to lose only one more game.

“A year ago I was fighting for literally my life at the hospital after I had the baby,” Williams said. “Every day I step on this court I’m so grateful that I have an opportunity to play this sport. No matter what happens in any match, semis, finals, I just feel like I’ve already won…Just been working really hard. Like I said, this is just the beginning of my return. I’m still on the way up. There’s still much more that I plan on doing. You don’t reach your best a couple months in. That’s kind of where I am now. I just feel like there’s a lot of growth to still go in my game. That’s actually the most exciting part.”

Serena is one win away from matching Margaret Court’s all-time mark of 24 major titles. If she wins Saturday she will surpass her own record of oldest Slam champion set at the Australian Open in 2017.

In the final Serena will meet the 20-year-old Naomi Osaka, who beat her in their last meeting earlier this year at the Miami Open.

Osaka in the Thursday night semifinal denied an all-American final, beating Madison Keys 6-2, 6-4.

The No. 20-seeded Osaka became the first Japanese woman in the Open Era to reach a Grand Slam singles final.

Keys had won her previous three meetings with Osaka but the Japanese fended off all 13 break points she faced on Thursday night, and battered Keys’ second serve. Keys struggled with 32 unforced errors.

“This is going to sound really bad,” Osaka said on what she was thinking during the match, “but I was just thinking — I really wanted to play Serena. Because she’s Serena.”


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118 Comments for Serena Williams v Osaka, Who Idolizes Her, in US Open Final

Margot Says:

Serena is awesome. Naomi is fantastic 😃 hope she isn’t too much in awe and we have a great final.👍✋🙌


Mystic - Willow Says:

Im torn i want Serena to get 24, but i would love a brand new GS champion, and Osaka is a cute girl with a fantastic game, im sure Serena will get 24 sooner or later, so i hope Naomi wins this one, may the best lady win ….


skeezer Says:

Same here Margot. Noami, great to see her in a GS final.
Serena never stops amazing me, in different ways. And This time on the scorelne. Saw the first two games, her opponent was hitting winners left and right, and Serena was not running after balls, looking lethargic. Then she reels off 12/13 games, match over. Geez!
Both gals have their own storied finish if either one wins, sad to see their willl be only one winner.
—-
Btw Margot my go-to workout routine in the gym: 🎧. Can’t workout without them, otherwise a bore.


Humble Rafa Says:

Serena never stops amazing me,

Like that time when she threatened to stuff a ball down a linesman’s throat..that was epic.


Mystic - Willow Says:

Margot / Skeezer water aerobics is great for core strength if your interested ?


skeezer Says:

A shame that is all you want to post on a 23 time Slam winner.
You blackballed an ump, so what else is new? FYI when you change your shorts, the zippy side goes in the front. Don’t forget next time.

https://ftw.usatoday.com/2015/05/rafael-nadal-carlos-bernardes-not-work-matches-shorts-video-venus-williams-fine


skeezer Says:

MW,
Absolutely!


J-Kath Says:

When there is no news, papers like the Daily Express twist their headline to imply unsporting behaviour, as below – in this case their victim is Serena:

“And she was arguably arrogant when revealing that she only comes to the net to “shake hands” with her opponent.”


Mystic - Willow Says:

Skeezer Aqua zumba too ;-)


Mystic - Willow Says:

When Serena was beaten by Stosur in 2011, the two ladies were sat chatting together before the presentation, she gave Sam a big hug and congratulated her after the match,like wise with Kerber, Mugaruza and Sharapova ….


Mystic - Willow Says:

J-Kath not only that fans like to see the best in their favorites, and the worst in their favorites rivals ….


J-Kath Says:

Mystic-Willow: Absolutely. However, a provocative headline in a nwsp. with a strong negative slant is totally unprofessional.


Mystic - Willow Says:

J-Kath yep also very true, been reading alot this week on social media about two very different cases with Roxanne Pallet and Coleen Nolan, funny how things get twisted ….


Humble Rafa Says:

When I see myself, I see humility. When I see the Big Lady, I am afraid that she will stuff a ball down my throat. When Uncle Toni was around, I felt safe. With the new people I have, I am not so sure.


lylenubbins Says:

Osaka was hitting very deep against Keys, controlling the points. That will be key against Serena. Serena is looking to end rallies by pouncing on short balls. Osaka might be able to wear her out with long side-to-side rallies, then look for her chances on Serena’s serve. But she will need to play at a very high level.


Humble Rafa Says:

Dear Daniel,

Can you explain Osaka’s nationality – it says Japan, USA and Haiti? I guess other countries were not interested in her.


TGIT Says:

Humble Rafa you seem extra mean these days even by your standard.


Truthsquad Says:

I like this site and most of the comments that are from true passionate and thoughtful tennis fans. It’s a shame that just a couple of people spoil that experience by their very weak attempts at humor, and casual but offensive racist, sexist and xenophobic comments.


Margot Says:

Skeeze: Me too👍
Mystic: Tried found it boring. I swim🏊 3xa week. And gym. Enough😫


skeezer Says:

@Truthsquad
re: 10:23 post
With you on that!
—-
Margot,
All that and NO time for Tennis? ;)


Humble Rafa Says:

Humble Rafa you seem extra mean these days even by your standard.

You don’t win grand slams by being Mr. Congeniality.


skeezer Says:

^Yawn


Elumalai Says:

Go Osaka.. Don’t idolize her arrogance though..


Margot Says:

Well Skeeze, I do belong to a social, oops I mean TENNIS, club…;)


J-Kath Says:

Margot: Are U as slim as a whistle? Despite my walks on the beach, I’m 8 lbs. over the weight versus height I should be – nobody says I’m fat except my size 12″ jeans (I blame the weather).


Mystic - Willow Says:

Margot water aerobics is alot of fun the way we do it, also aqua zumba too, i do normal aerobics too, and tai-chi which is alot of fun ;-)


Ramon O. Says:

Watching this, Osaka looks so comfortable in the moment. Clearly giving Serena problems with her fierce forehand. Hoping she takes the match. Serena is an amazing champion… but I’d love to see Osaka SAKA it to her!!! :)


Daniel Says:

Osaka on fire. Last 3 sets he won were all 6-3, 6-2.

Serena’s serve not that powerful, a bit tentative. She will have to dig dip and maybe count on Osaka’s inexperience and nerves close to the finish line


FedExpress Says:

Such a cheater this Serena woman.

Clearly she was coached on court by Patrick and lied to the chair umpire.

Will never a great like Martina, Evert, Graf etc.


FedExpress Says:

Osaka lead with a break in the 2nd

JUST hold two more times Osaka


chofer Says:

Serena losing her s** is not a sight to behold. Shades of Clijesters match 2009, the year Delpo won:))


FedExpress Says:

Disgusting sore loser this Serena

calling umpire a thief


BBB Says:

This is nonsense. Now if Osaka wins, it’s clouded by Ramos’ behavior.

Some coaches are known to coach during matches (Yuri). I’ve never heard it of Serena or Mouratoglu.


Daniel Says:

Serena in another controversy in USO.


chofer Says:

Unbielevable


Van Persie Says:

Such a cheap show. She is taking the limelight from Naomi.

I have heard enough of: “I have a daughter”.
She’s not the first mother in the world. Pathetic


chofer Says:

She’s crying!! Never seen that!!


Van Persie Says:

Come on , Naomi!
Hang in there!!!!


Nolo Says:

Her coach was definitively coaching. Good work by Carlos Ramos.


chofer Says:

This was supposed to be the changing of the guard match. Serena to her Mini-me.

But it’s Serena who’s behaving like a baby. You can’t speak to an unpire like that.


Truth Says:

Unreal. Serene highness angrily mashed her lip against her nose because no one kissed her dump butt.


Tennisfansince1976 Says:

@BBB no this is on Serena. She should have taken the warning like a grownup .


rognadfan Says:

this is really sad turn of events. I think ramos is a real idiot, who imposed himself this way today.
But to be fair, every final or semifinal I remember serena has lost, one or the other kind of drama has taken place in that court.
I wonder why that is. Now she is pinning it down to her being a woman. But she got one warning, then she kept on violating. That means, I am bigger than you, you can’t give me a warning.
May be the first warning was a little harse but it was borderline coaching there. Why did she kept one going after that?
Osaka won’t treat this win, if she closes out, a proper win now. Serena totally changed the narrative. Though she is the best player ever, it’s this kind of privileged attitude she possesses, I choose not to watch her matches, except the finals.


Van Persie Says:

Well done, Naomi!!!

Huge congrats!


BBB Says:

Men do it all the time. She’s 100% right. Double standard.

The umpire is not supposed to make the match about him. Forbearance is part of the exercise of authority.


Van Persie Says:

Naomi was the better player. Earned and deserved!


chofer Says:

Naomi Osaka.

What-a-match.

Champion. This girl will be number one for a loong time. Sui generispower, like Serena. Against her and all the staduim and celebrities there.

Chapeau!


FedExpress Says:

Get in Osaka


BBB Says:

Osaka is an absolute delight.

Shame on Ramos.


Daniel Says:

And Serena didn’t saw the sign Moratog made. That’s why she was more pissed off.


chofer Says:

People, even if Ramos was wrong. YOU CAN’T LOSE YOUR SHI*** LIKE THAT!! Nevermind a Champion of 22 Grand Slams.

It’s all about HER being outplayed. Let’s call it like it is. It’s not about the warning, because she complaint much later on, not in the moment.

These are the things that reminds me of hoe much better I like Venus.

It was not nice to see. And Naomi should have the spotlight, not anyone else.


Daniel Says:

Osaka was impressive , she didn’t bother about it and was in her zone all match.


FedExpress Says:

Why shame on Ramos? He was right to warn.

Why defend Serena?
And why this win isnt a proper win for Osaka rognadfan? Are you an idiot? She won her first GS.

Cry


chofer Says:

I hope people give a Santing-O to Osaka.

;ost impressive Grand Slam performance since… I don’t know when. Kvitova second Wimby?


BBB Says:

So there are never any coaching warnings, but he decides to do it now? It’s arbitrary and capricious. Transparently so.


chofer Says:

BBB

You’re talking like she’s a rookie. She should have protedted when he warn her and shut the ** up and concentrate again.

This was Hingis-like 99 against Graf. Completely lost it.


Margot Says:

What extraordinary scenes. Never seen anything like it in a final. Serena’s coach was clearly coaching, Serena hadn’t asked for it, hadn’t wanted it, but it was she who got the violation. Perhaps Patrick should’ve been asked to leave the stadium.
However, Osaka was so impressive, so calm amidst the storm, such fantastic, powerful play too, matching Serena’s power. Such a shame her victory has been overshadowed by this controversy.
Interesting to see Serena’s old coach, Sasha in Naomi’s team, a smart move! He’s obviously been a terrific asset.
Hoping that Naomi gets loads more slams, she’s terrific.


chofer Says:

protested


chofer Says:

Margot

She’s so cool under fire. Extraordinary.


Van Persie Says:

Well I never liked Serena, but I lost the respect for her as well now.
I know, it does not affect her but I needed to say it.

S*ity crowd as well

Naomi was just awesome and hope media will write more about her at this GS.


BBB Says:

What are you on about chofer? Ramos was out of line. Period. Serena shouldn’t have been put in the position to have to respond to this foolishness in the first place. He’s the one with the power and needs to deploy it responsibly.

He could have given her a soft warning if he was going to decide to enforce a rule in a major final that is otherwise never enforced.

Margot: I feel for Osaka. She’s a wonderful person and doesn’t deserve any of this. Poor kid. And now Serena is consoling her.


Nolo Says:

It even looked like Serena was trying to deconcentrate Osaka with the warning’s drama. I was very impresssed by Naomi’s composure.


chofer Says:

Naomi seems even more sorry than her idol. What an extraordinary young girl.


Van Persie Says:

Awwwww, she’s crying…and now she is so lovely, encouraging the crowd to respect Naomi. So “gracious” in defeat


Daniel Says:

Serena at least gave a soeecg to manipulate the crowd and give all the creditis to Naomi. Even with her visibly shattered.


Wog Boy Says:

Just heard the result while driving and some controversy, has Serena tried to shovel the ball down the f..ing Ramos throat and to kill him in her Swan Lake outfit?

Congratulations to Japanese/Haitian/American girl Osaka, best thing that happened in WTA since Steffi Graf, the real GOAT of the open era.


chofer Says:

BBB

Well,nobody ever remembers the umpire anyway.


Van Persie Says:

and the media tomorrow writing about how, Serena the mother was robbed in the match but still was so lovely towards opponent afterwards. Hope not!


BBB Says:

Good god I love this kid.


chofer Says:

Naomi for president.


FedExpress Says:

Coach Patrick admitted that he was coaching.


Van Persie Says:

Yes, Naomi is lovely. Respect for her game and how she did hold her nerve during match!


chofer Says:

Chris Evert, understanding EVERYTHING. Gives Naomi a hug.


Christian Says:

Serena proved to be such a sore loser, once again. Shame on you, Serena! You tried to push a 20-year girl out of balance, you turned the whole Arthur Ashe against her, and thank God she surpassed this challenge and stayed cool until the very end.
In order to be acclaimed as the greatest of all time (which Serena arguably is), you have to give credits to the ones who played better and beat you.

Thanks, Naomi, for the brilliant performance. I have no doubts that you will pick up many more grand slams in the future!


BBB Says:

And? If 40 people speed and nobody gets a ticket and the 41st person gets a ticket, would you not find it dubious? Or is authority to be worshipped unthinkingly?


BBB Says:

Yes, Chris Evert who understands everything and said this was all BS and Ramos was out of line.


chofer Says:

BBB

Ok.


Van Persie Says:

They just showed on TV, there was eye contact between Serena and Mouratoglou, when he was coaching. He showed her, that she should step in the court. So, she was lying.


Van Persie Says:

Ramos might have did wrong, but Serena exaggerated with her reactions. Why not a complaint after the match?
Ramos respected a stupid rule, but it is a rule!


BBB Says:

I hope they don’t say she was robbed of the match. To me, that’s the whole point. Osaka was the better player today.


Margot Says:

Ramos was heavy handed but Patrick was, in the letter of the law, coaching. Serena lost it unfortunately and the crowd was horrible.
Only Naomi comes out of this with shining colours, earning all our admiration and respect.


J-Kath Says:

VP: One of the gossipy media…sounds similar to the comments here:

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/tennis/serena-williams-open-meltdown-23-13215389


BBB Says:

He chose to “respect” a rule that he has otherwise not respected. That’s the problem. Selective enforcement is not ok.

I can understand why a player who is trying to win a major isn’t composed. It’s Ramos’ responsibility not to create this kind of a problem over something that is never otherwise enforced. Especially to decide to do it in a major final.


Margot Says:

BBB: Hasn’t he had a big contretemps with Rafa as well?


Humble Rafa Says:

Apologists are the Big Lady can now provide 12 facts to show how an umpire can be called a thief. To be fair, it’s an upgrade from the previous meltdown where she threatened to stuff the ball down somebody’s throat.

When you have a reputation for being unprofessional, well, things happen to you.


Humble Rafa Says:

That’s me saying good things about Carlos Ramos. You can archive it for history.


chofer Says:

Margot

That’s the point. Ramos was putting the needle in the camel’s eye and Serena killed the camel. It’s about composure even if you think the umpire is wrong.

Just because McEnroe insulted every umpire available and sometimes he was right, didn’t make him any “cooler”.

You just respect the man, although you disagree. You don’t shout him “thief” and stir the audience (there were few but stupid people booing Naomi after tha match was over!)

All the headlines now pointing to Serena, who’s trending topic in Twitter.

That’s the effect. Naomi was overshadowed. Hope she wins Australia and party like she deserves.


BBB Says:

Maybe, Margot! You would think after Mo’s debacle umpires would be attuned to not making the match about them.

There were about 50 ways for him to defuse this situation.


Chico Says:

Order of merit(just imho)

1. Naomi Osaka
- Best player, cool under fire, showing attitude to respect

Honorable mention
Ramos/Serena

Harsh maybe, but not acting on the events would have been worse/Finals a year after giving birth, nough said

Semidoghouse
Moratouglu/Street Serena
Messed up/Grow up

Doghouse: WTA/GS couching rules disparity

Wilander said it, when a couch is supposed to give courtside couching on tour week after week, mistakes can happen when you sit in a GS stand in the heat of the moment. Though, professionalism would demand discipline.


Chico Says:

oops, *coach,coaching


Truth Says:

Serena was grinning wide when the money was announced
She tried to distract and make Osaka cry.
SERENA succeeded. Trashy bully. She’s lucky that Kim Clijsters wasn’t a greater player.

I started to cry for the sweet Osaka. She hid behind her towel because it hurt to win against Serena
and her arrogant coach.


Humble Rafa Says:

Dear Alphabet character,

With the Big Lady angry, nothing can be done. Trust me, you wouldn’t handle it any better.


Wog Boy Says:

Is Serena going to be fined for calling chair umpire “thief”.

I will agree with few posters, what if Serena was actually trying to break the Osaka’s rhythm and throw her off the balance?


Chico Says:

If you look for the pinnacles, which a GS final should be, the standard should be as such. If on lesser stages coaching violations go unnoticed, then if somewhere, the Grand Slam Final is the place where you clean it up, or fortify the rules.


Van Persie Says:

About Ramos, he did his job.
Perhaps it was not the 1st time in the match, that he saw it


kriket Says:

I was literally crying for Osaka, with Osaka, I felt so bad for her, she is so delicate and the crowd was so rude, and she deserved nothing of what happened, but Serena and the crowed ruined everything for her. So instead of feeling happy for her, I’m kinda sad.


BBB Says:

Chico, are you saying that rules that aren’t enforced should suddenly be enforced in a major final, because it’s a major final? If that’s the idea, why wouldn’t you tell players you’re going to do it?

The problem here is that it was arbitrary, out of nowhere, and shocked her for precisely those reasons. That’s just bad umping.


skeezer Says:

BBB re; 6:20 post.
That summarizes the whole issue for me also, thanks. The umpires/ATP never been consistent with rule enforcements. It is a disaster waiting to happen , and unfortunately it happened today. Otherwise, a lot of hateful comments here that seem to go beyond this match.


Van Persie Says:

WB,

After Serena argued with Ramos, the crowds went a bit mad. I am sure, this was not easy to handle for Naomi. And I think there were 2-3 such arguments btw Ramos and Serena.
Serena really behaved like she was at the market arguing with some salesman, because she was feeling robbed.


Van Persie Says:

Am off now, good night


BBB Says:

Exactly skeezer. Absolute idiocy to do this in such a high profile match. I’d feel differently if it was just over broken racquets, since they enforce that rule much more consistently.


Wog Boy Says:

Thanks VP, she is cunning and bully, always was.


Truth Says:

This is not normal for Serena. She’s a hero in her own mind.
I feel bad for her poor daughter. Learning how to behave like that.

A big girl is gracefully and professionally beating her.
Serene highness is used to playing easy, mindless ballbashing tennis, and grunting to destroy the weak opponent.


chris ford1 Says:

Felt sorry for the young Osaka that her great play and 1st big championship will be overshadowed in the “controversity sells!” liberal media to being All About Poor Serena – yet again. The girl looked like she wanted to be anywhere but out there. The upside is 3.8 million Osaka got is some mighty nice salve on the moment of great joy stolen from her. And also, the high chance she will have more big championships and not have those marred by a poorly timed effort by Ramos to enforce the rules, and Williams uncontrolled rage and berating the umpire on-stop beginning at the coaching violation.

===============
This after the media tries playing the racial angle, bringing in Colin Kaepernick to exercise his moral authority to defend her as a martyr, and various feminist spin doctors on how *spit* Meeeeeennn! get away with insulting umpires. But at the end of all the Praise to Queen SErena media is played out – what will last is going to be another big downside marker in the ‘controversial’ great, career of Serena Williams. 20 years from now, it will be along the lines of Serena lacking the character to match her athletic talent. A shame, as the woman is smart, well read, speaks French and Spanish, and is a successful entrepreneur so she is by no means a dumb belligerent ghetto thugstress. But she will always have that stigma.

If you look at the tape, she just lit into the ump and would not let up, maybe lured into a sense of immunity due a great champ from this or that rule being violated. Serena’s arrogance and entitlement took over. Screaming for umpire apologies, telling him to shut up when he tried responding, playing the deserving mother card, finally yelling he was a thief.
It wasn’t just the words, it was the unrelenting diatribe. Ramos finally had enough, as Serena intended but instead of umpire kowtowing being the fruit of her “Mission Accomplished”, Williams just screwed herself. Not out of a win…Osaka was beating her…but screwed her reputation yet again.


Daniel Says:

Since 2016 Serena is 2-4 in Grand Slam finasl. Off corse this last 2 in 2018 are when she is still finding his form after child.

Maybe there is some mental aspct to getting close to tying 24 or even surpassing it, she is just 1 shy.


chris ford1 Says:

A more positive story was Jamie Murray and Bettaney Mattek-Sands mixed doubles trophy today. Judy Murray was there and got to hear her son egg on the crowd to wish her a happy birthday and see her other #1 rated son get yet another Slam title. And Mattek-Sands had a horrific knee injury at Wimbledon last year and came back.

And yesterday, as he did when they won Wimbledon after Bob Bryan got injured, Mike Bryan paired with Jack Sock to win the USO men’s doubles crown. Mike B turned 40 in April.


Colin Says:

In answer to those who are asking why Serena behaves as she does, the answer is simple. It’s because she was brought up to have a sense of entitlement, by a father who, if anyone dared criticise his daughters, promptly accused the critic of being racist.

Martina Hingis was sometimes very badly behaved, but in her case it was the mother who encouraged her.
Venus Williams has matured pretty well, but back in the day she was rather arrogant.

Chris Ford, what do you mean by saying the “liberal” media are sensationalist? In the UK, at any rate, the majority of the newspapers are right wing – the Daily Mail. the Daily Express, the Times, the Telegraph. Are things very different in America or Australia?


AndyMira Says:

So so happy for Naomi!….Wow!!….That was amazing!!…1st time in the final..and she nailed it!!….Against Serena,against the crowds,against drama,against pressure as big as an Everest…and she DID IT!!..WOOOHOOOO!!….Just wow!….

Simona take years to secured her 1st slam…C.Wozniacki too…And Naomi clearly bypassed her much hyped seniors like Pliskova,Svitolina etc….Just hope she will not become one of those 1st slam wonder & then disappeared into the abyss somewhere….Angie survived but Ostapenko,Caroline,Stosur & many others still in it….


chris ford1 Says:

Colin – One thing I do in downtime, travel is look at global media, inc. India, China, Germany, Brazil, Russia, & FRance as well as the UK and Canada, obviously. Go to Drudge, link to various websites, TV, papers. To see how perspectives differ.
So I sample global as well as USA. From that I can tell you that a large part of the US media is owned and run by Jewish progressives so it tends to be leftist, race-baiting. Exceptions in the US include Fox News, various radio outlets, certain papers like the Orange Country Register, and most of the time, the NY Post. But 90% plus of us news and entertainment media is left-leaning, not just in editorials but in actual manipulation of the news.

We don’t have much of public broadcasting…what exists in the ISA is local TV access for fringe groups of all stripes and PBS – which was set up by Democrats and is so left and aligned with Deemocrat Party liberals & progressives that PBS and the Democrat Party were found to share donor lists.

While Fox can be sensationalist, it is the Left that uses the media to push PC, denounce the enemies of the left, and push racial discontent – in sensationalist fashion. This makes the American media widely disliked and distrusted because it is all political affiliation agenda-driven. More and more, the media is pushing this into sports and on athletes. Going preachy left almost killed ESPN. And that is one factor in Trumps election.


Humble Rafa Says:

Big Lady stopped growing emotionally at 13. So it has been an issue that has not been addressed by her or by her family. You would think that given all she has accomplished, she would be a better human being. Future is always a clean slate, hope she starts today her journey towards being a better person.

Playing the mommy tag or gender card won’t work if you call someone a liar and thief, you won’t get much sympathy. I have also had issues with Carlos Ramos, but nothing like the Big Lady.


BBB Says:

I really don’t think most people here understand what it takes to grow up in Compton and emerge as dominant forces in a predominantly white, rich field. If you think it’s for the faint of heart, you don’t get it. The lunacy of criticizing someone for raising entitled girls when they came from dirt speaks for itself.

For me, having fought – and won – gender discrimination battles, I can only say that Serena choked up NOT when talking of the loss but when talking of the indignity of being tsked for the temerity of using the word “thief” while male counterparts visit much worse upon umpires every day. Hate her if you like – she doesn’t care – but make no mistake, this isn’t just about her own self. She is genuinely fighting for what she believes is a question of right vs. wrong, and for women to be “allowed” to be as passionate and unrestrained as men.

To channel the language of the purveyor of your let’s-go-back-to-the-50s-when-white-men-ran-everything-and-women-knew-their-place grievances: Sad!


Humble Rafa Says:

People who bring Compton, gender, mommy, etc. don’t understand that players need to respect officials. Yes, officials make mistakes even at the biggest stage, it is up to the player to behave properly at all times.

Remember, it is not the first time. There is a history. And the apologists have a story for each occurrence.


Humble Rafa Says:

The Williams family raised one child right, so there is that.


BBB Says:

Thank you so much for the lesson, Humble. I’m sure you learned it well licking Franco’s boots.


Colin Says:

BBB, you amaze me.
“The lunacy of criticizing someone for raising entitled girls”
First of all, if the US media are so leftist, how come you just elected the most right wing president imaginable? Take a look at the Right Wing Watch website to see what the “leftist” media are like.

Secondly, you are being very selective. If you read my post again, you’ll see that I mentioned Martina Hingis as being raised to feel entitled by her mother, and Ms Hingis was white the last time I saw a picture of her.

In case you’ve forgotten her behavior, let me remind you of the time, on a clay court, when she disputed her shot being called out, she marched round the net to the other court to find the mark. Completely against the rules. Then there was her charming description of Amelie Mauresmo as “half a man”.

Then again, you’re redefining “entitled”. Of course black people should be entitled in the sense of getting equal treatment in legal matters and police procedure. I simply meant that the Williams sisters were encouraged to FEEL entitled to behave badly. I think Ms Bouchard feels superior because her family is rich, and she’s white.

It’s interesting that the foot fault judge Serena threatened was a member of another sub-division of Americans – Oriental.
Treatment of Japanese-Americans who were interned during World War 2 was so disgraceful Clinton offered an apology. I’m no fan of either Clinton, but he was right in that instance.

By the way, Trump would probably look at that umpire’s name and say Mr Ramos was a Mexican terrorist!


BBB Says:

You’ve lost the plot Colin. I am not the one talking about leftist media. I assure you, I keenly feel the resurgence of authoritarianism – even on this board, as we speak. Look at all the defenders of Ramos simply because he’s the umpire. Ja wohl!

People who fight for everything they get because it’s not going to be handed to them are, by definition, not entitled.

That what she did is perceived as “uncontrolled rage” is the whole point. I love Novak, but he actually damaged the court with his racquet during the US Open series. But hey, he’s not a black woman, so no biggie.

In my experience, foreigners do not understand American race relations, and would be best served not lecturing those of us who live and breathe it.

PS. “Oriental” in reference to people is a slur.


Colin Says:

“Oriental” is a slur”?

We’ve already lost a perfectly good and accurate word, “Negro”, and that was purely because of an accident of pronunciation on the part of Southerners, who say “Nigra”, which of course sounds like the N word. Thus we end up with artificial labels like African-American, I remember someone referring to Heather Watson as Afro because she’s dark skinned, a characteristic she gets from her mother, who’s from Papua New Guinea. Ethiopians are African, and dark skinned, but they aren’t Negroes so, as I say we’ve lost a perfectly good word. “Oriental” means coming from the Orient, and is purely geographical. What other adjective would you prefer?

I see that the WTA have muddied the waters further by supporting Serena in her claim of sexism. Very helpful.

The word “hater” is being overworked by supporters of Serena, when it should more appropriately be applied to her threatening that foot fault judge all those years ago, not to mention shouting at a (female)umpire “You’re ugly inside”.

I can understand your not liking being lectured by a non- American, but you must excuse me for being nervous about the possible consequences of President Trump’s use and abuse of power.


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