Federer Outrallies Nadal In Wimbledon SFs, Will Meet Djokovic For Title
by Sean Randall | July 12th, 2019, 8:02 pm
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Who would have believed that on a “slow” grass court an aging, near-38 Roger Federer would out rally the king of the baseline, Rafael Nadal? Well, that’s what happened this afternoon in the Wimbledon semifinals.

In a very long-awaited rematch of their 2008 Wimbledon final epic, Federer had his revenge beating Nadal handily — and doing so at his own game — in a 7-6(3), 1-6, 6-3, 6-4 win.

“It’s always very, very cool to play against Rafa here, especially haven’t played in so long,” said Federer. “It lived up to the hype, especially from coming out of the gates, we were both playing very well. Then, the climax at the end, with the crazy last game, some tough rallies there. It had everything at the end, which was great, I guess. I’m just relieved it’s all over at this point.

“But it’s definitely, definitely going to go down as one of my favorite matches to look back at, again, because it’s Rafa, it’s at Wimbledon, the crowds were into it, great weather. I felt like I played good also throughout the four sets. I can be very happy.”

The 3-hour affair had it all. Good play, bad play, startlingly bad play and some terrific tension at the end.

But at the start, it resembled last year’s servebot semi between Kevin Anderson and John Isner, as both legends were just cruising on serve in the first set. Finally, Fed had some break points, but failed to convert. Being the aggressor, he eventually came out on top in the breaker which prevented Nadal from jumping out to a set lead which would have been a huge problem for the Swiss.

But the lead wouldn’t last long because Nadal broke early in the second as Federer went off the rails, and in a blink it was a set-all. Nadal now had the momentum, but that wouldn’t last long either.

Federer broke early in the third and held off break points in the next game. He was in control!

Federer gained another break in the fourth then with Rafa serving 3-5, got two match points. Rafa with some incredible play swatted both away. Then with Federer serving for the match at 5-4, Rafa again wouldn’t relent, coming up with incredible shot after incredible shot, getting the crowd pumped. He had break points and the prevailing fear for Federer fans was that if Rafa converted any of those to make it 5-all, Rafa was surely going to win the fourth and take the fifth. That was the feeling and you could almost see it in Federer’s eyes.

But Roger locked in and like the cool customer he is, got the job done.

“I think I won a lot of the important points in the third and fourth sets,” said Federer. “There were some brutal rallies in key moments that went my way. I think those might have made the difference today.”

The rallies were brutal and many ended up going Federer’s way and he was the one doing the damage from the baseline, not Nadal.

“It’s been a tough one. I had my chances, but he played a little bit better than me,” said Nadal who fell for the second straight year in the semifinals. “Probably I didn’t play as good as I did in the previous rounds, and he played well. So he deserves it. Congrats to him.

“Honestly, I didn’t have the great feelings that I had the other days,” he added. “When I was hitting the ball with the forehand, especially with the backhand, I was not able to open up the court like the other days.

“You need to make him miss because you put him out of position. I probably didn’t hit the ball clean enough to make that happen this afternoon. Then you are in a situation where he plays in his comfort zone and it’s difficult from there – for me and for everybody, I think.”

Federer was hitting it beautifully from the backcourt and connecting with his volleys. His serve was OK but for him the baseline game got him through.

“It comes very much down to who’s better on the day, who’s in a better mental place, who’s got more energy left, who’s tougher when it really comes to the crunch,” Federer said.

“In tennis, there’s always somebody who’s going to be a little bit better because there’s no draws in our sport.”

And today it was without a doubt Federer.

So next for Roger will be Novak Djokovic who outclassed Roberto Bautista Agut 6-2, 4-6, 6-3, 6-2. The Spaniard played Djokovic tough in the second and into the third, but Djokovic has too much variety. He served well and was exceptional at the net en route to his sixth Wimbledon final and 25th Slam title match.

“It’s the final of Wimbledon. This is the kind of match that I always dreamed of being part of as a young boy with the tennis racquet. This is what I worked for. I wanted to be in this position,” said Djokovic. “I have a chance to fight for a trophy. Regardless of who’s across the net or what is happening, I’ll definitely give it my all.”

Bautista Agut definitely made a match of it and made Djokovic work, but he just doesn’t have the sustained firepower needed in best-of-5.

“I think I deserved a little bit more in the third set,” said Bautista Agut. “The third set for me was the best set of the match. We both played very good tennis.

“Every experience I had in my tennis career made me a better player, made me do things better the next time,” he added. “A lot of experiences today in the match.

On Sunday, Djokovic will go for his second straight Wimbledon title while Federer will try to beat Djokovic for a first time in seven years at a Slam. If Roger does that, he’ll win his ninth Wimbledon and 21st Slam, and potentially set himself up for a run at No. 1. Not bad for a guy who’s just weeks away from his 38th birthday.

Djokovic, though, is going to be the rightful favorite and right now there are no holes in his game. But if anyone is going to find them, it’s Federer.


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47 Comments for Federer Outrallies Nadal In Wimbledon SFs, Will Meet Djokovic For Title

Michael Says:

What Roger has done at 38 is almost ridiculous to say the least. One is always short of superlatives to describe his achievements over decades, but Roger always does the impossible defying age and nature’s imposed physiological limitations that goes with it. Here is a man who was against his most feared opponent who had his numbers even in his younger days in the very same famous and beautiful Lawns. To complicate Roger’s task was also the swashbuckling form of the Spanish Matador who just intimidated and dismantled his opponents on his way to the semi-finals with sheer tenacity, determination and unswayed focus to win the tournament as well as vie for equalling and surpass the grand slam haul of Roger. To surmount such overwhelming odds at this age even though it is Roger’s most preferred surface is just phenomenal. What I liked most in this match was the manner in which Roger was dictating longer rallies, which never has happened before in their illustrious rivalry. Rafa on the other hand was definitely the better server of the two in the day and was in a sense, a complete transformation of their respective match-ups. Rafa was also aided by many fortuitous circumstances during the course of the match like being helped with a netcord when he was in knots in a game on his serve as also finding many close margins, which is a product of stroke of luck and at 3-5 in the fourth set was helped by Roger unwisely calling for a challenge despite having Rafa on the ropes with a deep return touching the line which Rafa just couldn’t handle; a lost moment Roger would have regretted if Rafa had managed to break his serve at 4-5. But Roger stuck to his ground, played cool and was not imposed by the situation to win it finally. Although, Roger has another mountain to climb in the form of Novak in the finals, yet I feel that he has done more than enough to solidify his place amongst the Games most illustrious legends and winning or not winning the final is not going to make a difference. it is his opponents who should be shamed about not being able to win against a player who is past his prime and touching almost 38 which is an unsuitable age for a brutal physical sport as Tennis has evolved.


Dave Says:

Here are some observations from the match and from the rivalries. I remember when Nadal was in Federer’s head, and I thought it was never going to change. Well now Federer is in Nadal’s head. This is actually the second time during the six match winning streak off clay that I was convinced because of form that Nadal was going to win. And both times I was wrong. It was in the 2017 Final in Shanghai. Federer didn’t look as good as Nadal going into the final and Federer won easily. I am now more convinced than ever that had the weather been normal conditions and not hurricane like conditions at the French Open, Federer could have pushed Nadal to 5 sets even at the French Open. So until further notice, Federer is in Nadal’s head in my opinion. I feel the same way about Djokovic verses Federer now. Until Further notice, DJokovic is in Federer’s head. One match where it seemed very obvious was the final in Cincinnati. Federer was reacting to who was on the other side of the net instead of just playing his game and relaxing. He was over pushing in that match.

I think it gets tiring to hear the age thing over and over again. I was watching the 2008 Final with Federer and Nadal and honesty, Federer’s backhand was a total joke compared to now. It seriously wasn’t even close to as good. Some of the shots look like they were going in slow motion compared to when Federer rips it. Federer is a better player now than ever. I will say the same about Djokovic. At majors, 32 year old Djokovic would beat the 2011 version of himself and the 2015 version of himself. The age thing gets thrown out the window for me. Djokovic is in his prime right now at majors. He is more determined than ever. He is moving better than ever. He is now following Federer in going to the net more and looking more and more comfortable doing it. Over 50 times today. That’s amazing. Djokovic, and Federer are more and more versitile every year. Nadal is the only one of the 3 who noticably looks like he has lost a bit in the movement department. And Carlos Moya said so himself. None of the other players think it’s a shame to lose to Federer when he is this good. The guy is playing amazing tennis. And by using his age all the time, it basically downgrades what everyone else does as simply less and not as good as Federer. I’m going to say this now, I can firmly say, that you won’t be hearing me using Djokovic’s age as an excuse when he is 37 and if he is still improving as a player. It’s not fair to all the other players. I’m not trying to offend anyone on here. The age thing is just getting redundant at this point.


Dave Says:

Haha. I didn’t actually do observations on the match. Nadal seemed more nervous than Federer. He wasn’t as aggressive with the forehand down the line as I thought he would have been. He didn’t come to the net very much. I was surprised that he didn’t find a way to take the match into a 5th set. Nadal was pushing his backhand long to much toda as well. He didn’t return as well as I thought he would have, even though Federer served great, that is one difference between Djokovic and Nadal, Djokovic will find a way into more of Federers service games for the most part. Nadal didn’t do that very much today. Federer played the match on his terms. Nadal was searching for answers and didn’t seem to know what to do and you could see the frustration boiling over. The backhand really let him down. On break point when Nadal was in the rally and looked like he could win the point, he hit a backhand into the net. And it wasn’t even close to going over. Federer really was the one who was cool in the longer rallies in this match. Another difference I notice between when Nadal plays Federer and Djokovic plays Federer is that Nadal doesn’t take time away from Federer the way DJokovic does. Djokovic hits it flat from both wings and does to Federer what he does to everyone else. Nadal just can’t play that way against Federer because of the big topspin forehand. Nadal honestly seemed rattled today. He missed easy volleys today. He just seemed rattled by Federers game.


Daniel Says:

Also I don’t recall Federer serving and volleying, he was comfortable staying back. The clay prep seems was with that aim. The BH DTL slices to Nadal’s BH were on top, keeping Nadal in that corner unable to run away to hit FH.

Also agree, Nadal was so “obsessed” with hissed, go for the BH ll the time that he hardly did his signature DTL FH. Even on passing shots he was missing that shot.


skeezer Says:

“Who would have believed that on a “slow” grass court an aging, near-38 Roger Federer would out rally the king of the baseline, Rafael Nadal?”
I didn’t, but he did. One of your best write ups Sean, well done!
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Feds age SHOULD be a factor, but it hasn’t been. Kudos to him on setting a new bar on aging tennis players. However, his age is still very relevant in the conversation, just because he is playing to some “better than ever”. He still seems to move very well, THE telling sign. However, aging is cruel and that could go at any time(hence some observe Rafa losing a step). In this very athletic game, you only need to lose a little to lose a lot. A lot of players his age and younger on tour have long ago retired.

How will his recovery powers be? If he comes out on point and full flight of movement against Djoker I will rethink my position. Till then I credit his mind, not his body for staying on top; better scheduling, changing rackets, conserving stamina with more of attacking game with shorter points.
For now, this match was definitely one for the ages for Fed, shockingly out dueling Rafa from the baseline on green clay no less.


chrisford1 Says:

However Wimbledon goes, Djokovic has scheduled both Rogers Cup and Cincinnati as stops before the USO. Another Cincinnati Title and he has another Masters Sweep.
He’s also going to change it up and go to Japan instead of Beijing.

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Feds all steady as she goes. The way he is playing, no way he retires until after the 2020 Olympics.

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If Andy tests himself at singles, I look forward to that, as long as he doesn’t risk his long term health unduely.
If he somehow plays Djokovic, his rivalry becomes the 4th most played, moving past a tie of 36 with Lendl-MacEnroe, to 37 matches. I’d like to see Andy do well – get a morale boost.

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Nothing out as far as I know about Rafa’s wedding other than they announced sometime in 2019. Do’t know if he will try to keep in the quest for #1, or take a break and honeymoon.


All Out Says:

Federer played sensational tennis except for the second set which was abysmal. But Nadal never looked like making inroads into Federer’s serve. He got what was long overdue to him. His poor return position cost him the match. Especially on Federer’s second serve. Where he should’ve been standing much closer to the baseline and cutting out angles so he could take control of the rallies, he stood so far back that Roger had all the time in the world to pick his spot and drop the serve out of Rafa’s reach.

Rafa was constantly trying to hit the balls deep from so far back that he was merely feeding into Roger’s forehand or dropping it ridiculously short. This is becoming a worrying trend. He was lucky enough to escape big servers like Querrey and Kyrgios but against a precision server like Roger, he needed to be at his best return wise.

We have constantly heard of Rafa working on his serve to give him the best possible position to take control of the point with his heavy forehand but there seems to be no one in his camp who will stand up to him and tell him to do the same for his returns.. at least on grass and hard courts. Standing so far back makes sense on clay.. he can hit the ball deeper and his topspin will take care of the rest. On grass, the ball does not bounce as high so it’s important to be in the best possible position to attack which is definitely NOT beside the linesperson. Hope he works on these obvious shortcomings and returns to his dominant self against top players at the USO.

As for the final, I believe Roger needs to be at his serving best to have a chance against Novak. Unlike Rafa, Novak WILL attack Roger’s serve and step up at the baseline to hit harder and flatter. Slam No.16 loading as far as I can see. Hope Roger can give a good fight in the finals


Van Persie Says:

Regarding Nole’s nerves yesterday, I was about to forget, but he always does this at the big tournaments, when the crowds are against him and he know he will have to endure even more in a potential Rafole or Fedole match.
Nole will not blink tomorrow!
We know what happend at Wimbly 2014,2015, USOpen 2015 and AO 2016. Nole will be at his finest 😉


Van Persie Says:

Was not mentioned here, but Nole- RBA’s match produced a record at Wimbly:the longest rally in the history of the tournament, 45 shots,rally won by Nole.


Giles Says:

Joker’s got this!


j-kath Says:

Congrats to all of you re. your comments on Roger – they are well balanced and sincere with AGE as the central issue. “Ageing” is a fact of life for all of us, whether we’re an athlete or not. However, those of us fortunate to live in well developed countries can achieve a longer life span than earlier generations – 50 is the new 30 etc.

However, I think Skeezer’s realism is most pertinent.
And yes to Chrisford 1: I’ve always believed that Roger would not retire until after the next Olympic Games – a winning singles gold medal is still missing from his glittering collection.


Giles Says:

https://twitter.com/rafaelnadal/status/1149758561704132608?s=21
Rafa wishing fed good luck for the final.
What a Champ. Full of class!


Van Persie Says:

JK,

Pleaso do not congrat me for commenting, if I am included, I am just supporting Nole.

Regarding Skeezer’a realism, I have my doubts… he is a fan as well.
Using Fedal’s popularity in order to deny Nole’s quality of tennis, is same mature, as if one Sharapova’s fan would say: Ok, Serena has the slams, but the majority of white men wouls chose to go to bed with Maria.


Van Persie Says:

Because I can tell, would we have Sharapova today in the final, I am sure the audience the audience would increase, I exclude America and Romania, where the patriotism will bring the people infront of TV.


Tennis Lover Says:

Some experts and pundits are waiting for the end of the reign of the Big Three. This period is finally emerging in 2020. I see the GOAT (in my opinion Roger Federer) hanging his boots after 2020 ATP final. Having all this possibilities arising, I think Roger is going to defy all the odds and beat the notoriously Djoker (favourite too) to win his 9th Wimbledon thus raising his grand slam tally to 21. I also believe, Roger is going to have a great US Open this year compared to last 3-4 years thus making an inroad into expanding his grand slam lead over Nadal and Djokovic.


czarlazar Says:

VP says: “Ok, Serena has the slams, but the majority of white men would choose to go to bed with Maria.”

I’m pretty sure the majority of black men would choose the same…


Van Persie Says:

Czarlazar,

well, maybe… who knows, maybe in the future the sex appeal percentage will be on the to do list as well, in order to reach “GOATness” lol.


skeezer Says:

VP,
“Using Fedal’s popularity in order to deny Nole’s quality of tennis…”
His quality of tennis is amazing, no doubt, who could deny that? But he makes his own bed on court with paying fans, and you have truly seen this if you watch his matches.
BTW, you surely know Serena’s husband is white? ;)


Van Persie Says:

Skeezer,

read again: I wrote majority, not all.


Van Persie Says:

Skeezer,

did not hear anything about Nole paying fans, maybe he offers tickets to friends, whou could not afford tickets, that is different. It is something, what Halep does as well once in a while, I did read… you know, people in Serbia and Romania earn far less in ordet to pay for a match in Paris or London, so I think this is a nice gesture,


Van Persie Says:

but perhaps this gossip makes you feel better, Skeezer, when you have the bad thoughts caused by Fed losses in the last finals, against Nole


skeezer Says:

Am sure Nole fans cheer him greatly. Where ever they are,


skeezer Says:

No worries, my thoughts are in the present with that incredible win by Fed in a very entertaining Fedal match just played ;)


Van Persie Says:

yeah, right, you enjoyed it soo much, that you had to gossip Nole and WB. I would have waited tomorrow’s match to be over😉, if I had been you

ok, I habe am match to see now.


skeezer Says:

Ha! had to, WB loves to hate on Fed, only reason I pick on him. Otherwise, he is cool. Enjoy the match 👍


j-kath Says:

Van Persie: At the time I wrote my post re: “AGE” there were only 5 posts on the site (last one CF1 @ 2.12am)- and it was the concept of “AGE” that interested me and Skeezer’s post really struck me as appropriate re. Tennis ability/life-span changes in general etc. etc.

I have no idea how other posts can slip in when none shows, unless it is the time taken to fill in Name/Mail/Website these days which we never had before.


czarlazar Says:

The assertions about Djokovic paying for fans is ridiculous. The only thing I’ve heard is he often gives out substantial tickets to local fans, especially kids, which he’s done at the Rogers Cup while in Toronto for example. But we’re talking about a man who gives away his match racquet to a lucky fan every time he wins a tournament — including grand slams — which he could easily earn big dollars on by selling instead, and benefiting his foundation thereby. Nole is a good man with a big heart, oozing with sincerity and kindness. However, the Eastern European personna doesn’t always resonate with Western fans (remember Lendl, Navratilova, Safin, etc.) and that’s just the way it is. However, he is the most popular player in China, the biggest market of all — so take that, Roger!


Daniel Says:

Also this is the first Slams meeting after 2017 AO final when Federer improved his game.

He lost last 2 to Djoko in Cincy final and in Paris in a close 3 setter 3rd set tiebreak.

People are coming too much with Wimby 2014/2015 finals but this a way different Federer and those years were he wore Spam, not winning a major scene 2012. This is a different more ready and steady to play baseline points.


czarlazar Says:

Daniel is right about Fed being a stronger player today than in 2015, and will have a better chance to win than last Wimbledon final with the world # 1. However, Nole is arguably a better player also, especially mentally, as the bounceback from injury and cult influence has made him appreciate tennis more. His demeanour is more serene and less tight, and that will serve him well tomorrow playing before the rabidly pro-Federer crowd.


Amit Says:

Federer is the best ever and he is taking down djokovic this time.. Djokovic time gonna be up soon anyway. Enough BS from his fans already..

Btw I am pretty satisfied with this win against Nadal.. Congratulations to daniel, jatin,skeezer, madmax,squirrel ajd other of my fellow federer fans… This win was truly likeable.. 😈😈😈


Amit Says:

When Fed keeps.getting beaten by Nadal,any tom duck or harry can beat him including jokers! But you know Federer is in killer mode when he is beating Nadal,and no matter of mental or other strength can save his rival from a potential loss!
I would put my money on Federer winning the final on Sunday,if I have to!


Madmax Says:

Giles Says:
https://twitter.com/rafaelnadal/status/1149758561704132608?s=21
Rafa wishing fed good luck for the final.
What a Champ. Full of class!

July 13th, 2019 at 4:56 am

Unlike you Giles. You don’t deserve to be a fan of Rafa, he is head and shoulders above you and your type. Could not believe the reciprocal – well I could actually – nature, wonderful interview from Federer about Rafa – because there is no one classier than Federer – And Rafa comes a very close second. Novak too, the most gracious I feel of them all. He is a class act. And the classiest of people – you are excepted, are willing to congratulate and not capitulate. I feel sorry for you Giles, you only support Rafa when he wins and you celebrate when others lose against him.


Madmax Says:

Who would have believed that on a “slow” grass court an aging, near-38 Roger Federer would out rally the king of the baseline, Rafael Nadal? Well, that’s what happened this afternoon in the Wimbledon semifinals.

Sean,

Whenever I read your posts these days it is always a case of Federer being the only one who has aged. It is really benign to keep saying this over and over about his age. So what! You think everyone is just time stable? All the players are ageing and what is more incredible is that all the greats are in their 30s and still bringing it! Federer defies the odds over and over again. And let’s talk about knees. How old do you think Rafa’s knees are? 17? How many new pairs of knees do you think that Rafa has had throughout his career? He is the Peter Pan of knees.

Rather than keep talking about his age, – this does not matter, it is the sheer beauty of his game and the fact that he is hungrier than ever. It does not matter that he won his first title in 2003 at Wimbledon, but 16 years later, he has another chance to do so.

Brilliant.


Madmax Says:

When it comes to age – Sean’s favourite topic, here is the no bar to anything!

https://www.theguardian.com/global/2019/apr/07/age-is-no-barrier-meet-the-oldest-top-athletes


Madmax Says:

95 years old and still playing tennis – and still playing tournaments!

He plays 85 year olds!

Come on!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDTvGQ73Slg


Madmax Says:

czarlazar Says:
Daniel is right about Fed being a stronger player today than in 2015, and will have a better chance to win than last Wimbledon final with the world # 1. However, Nole is arguably a better player also, especially mentally, as the bounceback from injury and cult influence has made him appreciate tennis more. His demeanour is more serene and less tight, and that will serve him well tomorrow playing before the rabidly pro-Federer crowd.

July 13th, 2019 at 1:09 pm

Czar,

Novak is the best player in the world and is expected to win tomorrow. Why shouldn’t he. He has earned his place and Fed, yesterday in interview said the same. No one expects anything different.

Federer has a chance tomorrow, but he is by no means the favourite. Let’s see what his game plan is. Pressure is on Novak tomorrow and Fed can play with freedom, knowing that he was written off yesterday against Rafa, by the majority of commentators, pundits, fans – I thought Federer would beat Rafa in 4 (iniitally I said straights), he seems much cooler this year, in the zone, and very relaxed yet with a steel to his game. Really. He has impressed more than ever, if that is possible.

Novak though has played with class and control. I met some of his fans at a tournament a few years ago, they could not have been nicer I have to say – a great crowd. Not sure whether you can believe that or not, but that was my perspective. Novak is loved by many and admired.

Federer has improved his game, his strength and his mental ability. I hope tomorrow he takes it to Novak and fights for the trophy. He can do this, for sure.


Madmax Says:

Dave,

The guy is playing amazing tennis. And by using his age all the time, it basically downgrades what everyone else does as simply less and not as good as Federer. I’m going to say this now, I can firmly say, that you won’t be hearing me using Djokovic’s age as an excuse when he is 37 and if he is still improving as a player. It’s not fair to all the other players. I’m not trying to offend anyone on here. The age thing is just getting redundant at this point.

July 12th, 2019 at 11:27 pm

This is exactly what I mean – I have read all of the posts above now, and honestly, focusing on Federer’s age over and over again. It’s tiresome and boring. Redundant, as you have said, is a much better word. It plays no part in sport. If you have the will, the desire and the mindset to practice as well as to exercise that self-belief, confidence and grit, that often gets overlooked where Federer is concerned, he is a stronger player today than he has ever been in my opinion.

I remember the times he would lose, being 5:2 up in a match, remember Tsonga at the USOpen, could not believe that match and I would remember thinking at that time, Roger needed to see a sports psychologist, somehow, he has overcome this, and really gone back to scratch, started again, and rebuilt his game with a new racquet and that has nothing to do with age, but everything to do with will power.

Quite simply, Roger extends beyond age.


Dave Says:

Madmax,

Nice points. I want to add something that makes Nadal,Djokovic and Federer even more dangerous at slams. They are all very aware that they won’t have many chances to win slams with each passing slam. So they seem to all be hungrier than ever to win them. Example, Rafa gets to 2 Wimbledon Semi-Finals in a row after not doing much since the 2011 Final against Djokovic. And tennis has changed now. I said this before years ago and I don’t think anyone agreed at the time. But it seems more and more obvious now. I said Djokovic will win more slams than anyone in their 30’s. I think I even said I could see him winning 8 slams in his 30’s, this was when he was at 12. Seeing what’s happening now, Djokovic will probably beat most of the records that Federer has done in his 30’s by a lot. Masters 1000’s in your 30’s. Majors in your 30’s. Most weeks at number 1 in your 30’s. Oldest year end Number 1. I’m not sure which records Federer has. Oldest Number 1 I think he has. That one could be untouchable. But majors in your 30’s seems like the obvious one and weeks at #1. Federer and Djokovic seem to have the genetics to play longer. Because your physical body needs to hold up. It’s true what Skeezer said about crediting his mind for staying on top. In my opinion, you need both. Because if Federer had lost significant movement, it would have been exposed by the best players. The physical has to be their to a degree.


Madmax Says:

Dave,

I agree with your post. Here we are, all of us, to a degree talking about GOAT – Roger v Rafa, when, there will be Novak, surpassing them both with the most slams – he has risen through the ranks and really grasped the top spot, through sheer talent and hard work. We all know Novak’s story and to be where he is today, is incredible. He is a great, great player. He can only be credited for that. Whatever some nasty fans want to say or do, in my mind, they are not Novak’s fans. Novak does not support fans who are anything but long sighted with values as their end goal. Sure, he isn’t perfect, but no one is. The only Novak fans I have met, outside of this site, have been rowdy, yes, but we have talked and they are spirited and passionate, but I regard them as true Novak fans and I am pleased to say, I have not met the other kind. Some of them here on this site, we know who they are.

Dave, I still believe whatever happens tomorrow and beyond tomorrow, Federer will be regarded by most, as the best player of the game, not just for his slam count, but everything above that, including the Roger/Rafa rivalry over the years, (never to be beaten in my view), it surpasses the history of tennis. But Roger’s record when it comes to retirements from a match – zero.

Repeat. In all the years he has played tennis, he has never retired from a match. Look at this compared to the other greats – that will never be beaten.

Djokovic: 11 retirements in 895 matches.

Murray: 4 retirements in 781 matches.
Federer: 0 retirements in 1354 matches.
Nadal: 7 retirements in 988 matches.

I think overall in his career, he has withdrawn 3 times, but I stand corrected on that one.

He is quite simply an ambassador for the game.

310 weeks at Number 1 to Novak’s 250 weeks, this essentially means that Novak has to sustain this for at least another 12 months, likelihood is, that he will – so this record of Roger’s is on the line, but for now, it’s Roger’s.


Giles Says:

Madmax. Stop trolling me you big fat cult leader. You are so FOS sitting on your worn out armchair preaching and criticising and trying to bully the posters here. Just STFU and do not mention my name in future. I have no time for you. Just zip it!!


Giles Says:

PS.
I’m looking forward to the mauling tomorrow – OLD v …..
And please don’t start crying like FE!


skeezer Says:

Rafa fans hitching there ride now to whoever is suiting their fancy. Same ol’ Sour Grapes lol.


j-kath Says:

Goodness – it’s quite embarrassing to witness this big love-in.
I’m off to have a good night’s sleep – wish U all the same.


chrisford1 Says:

Madmax, saying the player with 0 retirements has to be the best player is like saying the only student with a perfect attendance record has to be the best student.
It matters a little bit. It touches on player health. In some cases it could be a sign of mental strength to stick it out. But IMO, both Nadal and Djokovic are mentally stronger than Fed. Despite each retiring from matches now and then.

And more than the other Big 4 players, Nadal leads on withdrawing from tournaments or not showing up due to this or that injury. But obviously, Rafa is not a wimp.


Madmax Says:

chrisford1 Says:
Madmax, saying the player with 0 retirements has to be the best player is like saying the only student with a perfect attendance record has to be the best student.

CF,

I was talking about this as a PART of his greatness, his commitment, his overall determination, I could go on…good you pick me up on this though, it shows how people see things in different ways, so thanks for that.


Madmax Says:

It’s a pretty phenomenal fact CF. Really.


Madmax Says:

Giles Says:
Madmax. Stop trolling me you big fat cult leader. You are so FOS sitting on your worn out armchair preaching and criticising and trying to bully the posters here. Just STFU and do not mention my name in future. I have no time for you. Just zip it!!

July 13th, 2019 at 4:44 pm

Giles,

I get goosebumps when you write in this way. Keep on trolling. It’s a shame you don’t get passion when it hits you in the face. No matter. I guess with Rafa out of the Semis, you don’t have a lot to do – or say.

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