Federer Fails in Final Set (Again); Nadal, Murray Survive in Paris
by Sean Randall | November 11th, 2009, 8:00 pm
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Get Roger Federer to a final, deciding set and the odds shift precipitously in your favor. For the year, Federer has just four wins in a final set on hardcourts this year. Losses? Well, after today make it eight, that after Federer was stunned by Frenchman Julien Benneteau 3-6, 7-6, 6-4 in the second round at the Paris Indoors.

“I can definitely play much better, but I can also play much worse,” said Federer who slumps to 6-13 in deciding sets on hardcourts since 2008 Wimbledon. “It wasn’t a bad performance. I think Julien, he went out and got the victory. You know, I definitely had chances. I missed them. Seems to happen a bit to me now, you know, looking back at the Basel final or the US Open final. I just have to make sure I don’t let chances go by like this all the time.”

Credit Benneteau, the guy was on fire. Commentator Robbie Koenig remarked that at one point Julien had hit 25 first serves in row in the box. That’s pretty good stuff.

What’s even more interesting about the loss is just hours earlier it looked like Federer stood on the brink of wrapping up the coveted year-end No. 1 ranking. No 2 Rafael Nadal came into Paris within striking distance but found himself with his back against the wall against him countryman, Nicolas Almagro, who was serving for the match at 6-5, 40-0. But Almagro unraveled and Nadal escaped saving FIVE matchpoints to steal the second set in tiebreaker.

Almagro wasn’t done, though. After Nadal opened with a break right away to start the third, Almagro somehow kept his composure and surged to go up a break in the third. Nadal, as he shown so many times, would go away and fought back to get the lead eventually closing out Almagro 7-5.

Credit to Rafa, he had no business winning that match. For the baby-faced Almagro, wherever he is right now he’s surely thinking about the breaks he held and those five match points he blew. (Though his girlfriend should help ease the pain!)

Back to Roger. While it looks like No. 1 is good bet, you have to wonder where his game is. In the last 3.5 months the Swiss has just one Top 10 win – Djokovic at the Open – and his other wins haven’t been all that impressive. So, unless he’s decided to coast through these final few weeks, the London event should be a good measuring stick for his level.

Andy Murray also struggled today needing a third set tiebreak to get through James Blake. Murray is now a perfect 13-0 on the year indoors. Novak Djokovic began the day with a tough straight set victory over Juan Monaco. The Argentine was up a break in both sets before letting each lead wither away.

Sandwiched among the fireworks from the top players was the final ATP match for Marat Safin. The outspoken Russian fought hard and well but in the end Juan Martin Del Potro was simply the better player defeating the two-time Slam champ 6-4, 5-7, 6-4.

“I was a decent player,” Safin told reporters afterwards. “Just in general, I’ve been great to everybody, even if I had a few fights with chair umpires.”

He added, “Now I have no schedule, no practices, no nothing. I belong to myself. Tomorrow I’ll wake up and see what I want to do.”

Safin also said a book, a la Andre Agassi, was not in his future. Perhaps a full length feature film would do his career better justice anyway? Tennis will miss him.

Going into Paris I thought the top guys would be struggling with their game and their motivation this week and today they all did. Let’s see if these tough opening matches provide them with a wakeup call or perhaps they are simply foreshadowing of what’s to come.

That said, tomorrow’s forecast calls for even more fireworks as Murray meets Radek Stepanek, Delpo is dealt Fernando Gonzalez, Fernando Verdasco faces Marin Cilic and Benneteau gets my man, Gael Monfils. With Federer out Gael really, really, really has a chance to put up a great result in Paris. He needs to step up here.

In the bottom half, Nadal meets another Spaniard, Tommy Robredo, Djokovic clashes with Arnuad Clement, Nikolay Davydenko and Robin Soderling square off and in the second all-French battle of the day, Gilles Simon tangles with Jo Tsonga.

If you are looking for an upset I’d pick Stepanek over Murray. I don’t think the record of players who finish well after 1am and have to come back to play the following day (same day actually!) is very good. Plus, Radek has the game to complete the job. Really, though, any of the top players could go down tomorrow. It’s just that time of year. Should be fun to watch.


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147 Comments for Federer Fails in Final Set (Again); Nadal, Murray Survive in Paris

i am it Says:

this was the 3rd time in 7 appearances that Fed exited in the 1st Rd from Paris. not a great place for him. and JB played lights out, from every angle. Fed cruised the 1st set, was playing alright until the mid 2nd set, then started struggling. His slice BH was not much help in returning serve. Actually, his reading of the JB’s serve was off the mark. He was slower in going for winners. When he did, it was reluctant, half-hearted, and less powerful. Combined together, he was outperformed by a lesser player. it was sad to see him lose like that. there’s not particular area you could attribute the loss to.

yes, all top dogs struggled today, but managed to get through, except poor Fed, who cannot comeback anymore once things stop working for him and the resistance is greater from the opponent.

Sean, you may be right, there could be more than one upset tomorrow.

like you said in your 1st article on the Bercy, we may not see any of the top 5 seeds in the final.

let me end with what delPo said of Marat, “When I started to play ATP tournaments, I met him and I told to him ‘You are my idol’. After that, we started a good relationship. He’s very friendly [and] he speak Spanish. He’s a great person. We will miss him in the tournaments.”


Kimmi Says:

Safin AU REVOIR, tennis will miss you indeed.


Sean Randall Says:

i am it, well said. Thanks for picking up on Delpo camaraderie with Safin. I meant to add that. It was a nice moment the two big guys shared on court after the match. Marat almost teared up (maybe he did).

I’m sure Marat’s still partying hard! It’s only what, 2:30am in Paris. Things are just warming up.


st4r5 Says:

I think we have to say that it is indeed true that the Mighty Federer has eventually become old. No one can fight time and win….. Fed has become like this because of his age. He starts losing focus after playing more than two sets.


madmax Says:

people,

i woke up at 2 am (UK time), and my heart is breaking right now. I dont know what happened to federer today. I am sick. sick because federer, out in Bercy FIRST ROUND? are you serious?

Now, I cannot sleep. I know everyone struggled, but it is like fed gave up? I am not used to this feeling. At all. what is happening?


been there Says:

Here is Julien Benneateau winning his first ever GRAND-SLAM (check out from 4:19 onwards..I especially love the part from 5:23)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e670eOLIU78

Lol…that’s how big a win against Roger even at rnd2 of masters (or I suppose any event) is to some of these players. Wonderful reactions & emotions from him…even more than Del.P’s win at USO.
————————————————-

Yeah, Roger was fine…just Julien played lights out tennis & buoyed over by the amazing french crowd. I like the french-crowd…they clearly let it be known whom they’re supporting, not PC stuff of supporting both players with timid clapping.

Seems like Roger knows he’s losing final sets more frequently than he (& fans) is happy with. I’m glad he’s noticed the pattern, ‘coz acceptance is the first step to recovery….next step…fix it already. ‘coz that No.1 is precariously on the line.


Kimmi Says:

Even with 6-13 deciding sets record, the guy has been there when it mattered. (2 GS wins and 2 finals) So its not as bad as it looks. Hope he fights till the end for no. 1. Good luck federer


i am it Says:

been there,
i have always wanted to ask who your top 2 favorites are, if you don’t mind.
thanks for the JB clip.


jane Says:

been there, thanks for the link. I see what you mean about the French crowd, but what really bugged me today was when they booed Monfils!! I mean, talk about turning against your own guy.

I feel that Benneteau played great from the second set on; Fed wasn’t horrible, though he made more errors than he should and he might’ve been more aggressive at times.


jane Says:

After rewatching Benneteau’s reaction I almost want him to win the entire tournament. lol. Such joy!!


madmax Says:

just listened to the audio of fed – he doesnt seem that bothered (though I know a matter of interpretation), its on parisbercymasters website – for those of you who want the English translation, click on UK flag and you can hear it. This is an extract from the site.

23h16 : Explosion of emotions on the central! After 1:55 of battle Julien Benneteau (photo) delivers a 7th and final ace that allows him to beat Roger Federer 3 / 6, 7 / 6 (4), 6 / 4. “Bennet” collapses to his knees. And the tears come to his eyes. After a challenge to the form requested by Federer (which confirms the validity of the ace), the two players to address a warm handshake. At the height of emotion, the 49th World has signed the biggest win of his career against the No. 1 worldwide.

“This is the happiest moment of my life”Says he to the spectators after going to embrace his coach Thierry Champion. In the last round, he made the first break to lead 2-1. He shrugged off two balls 3-3 on serve, and maintained his lead until the end. Sixteenth French to beat a No. 1 worldwide in business, face Benneteau in the fourth round against Gaël Monfils.

I’m going to bed everyone to wake up fresher and more alive in the morning! Federer! Oh Federer!


Kimmi Says:

“Credit Benneteau, the guy was on fire. Commentator Robbie Koenig remarked that at one point Julien had hit 25 first serves in row in the box. That’s pretty good stuff.”

25 first serves in a row..WOW..that must be some kind of a record..no ?


been there Says:

iam it,

I like Monfils most…but he’s nowhere to be discussed in tennis boards ‘coz he’s not a ‘top’ player…so I enjoy him privately & spam a few boards with his name all over. lol. just kidding about the spamming bit. And he’s a big head-case, so he never causes any upsets…hence again, nothing to be discussed :( I generally find the french-players highly exciting. Who knows, now that Fed is out, he might just reach the semis..then finals…then……….. :)

Among the discussed players, I’ll just talk of pre-2009 ‘coz am still sorting my alliances. Definitely Fed working his magic on court. Then Djokovic. However, despite this, in the very long distant past, I would have sacrificed any player (& I mean any, including Monfils & Djokovic) if it meant having an epic Fed-Rafa slam finals….which sadly usually end up in heart-breaks. ai, I’m stuck in the past…need to move into 2010! Thankfully it’s been a while & my heart can rest. lol.

In 2009, everyone has a chance, so I find it hard to keep strict alliances. So while I’ll always support the likes of Fed & Djokovic, I have no qualms with the likes of Tsonga & Soderling & Del-potro (basically aggressive games) having a go at them…& might occasionally find myself cheering for the enemy…e.g. the US open, I managed to confuse myself on who I was supporting…until it ended, then I was super-sad for Fed but still happy for Del.P. I experienced no such emotions before.

So there you go…Monfils, Fed & Djokovic [though Djoko is slowly being replaced with Del.P..am really loving him...or they might share the spot] :)


been there Says:

jane @ 9:23pm,

yeah..the french crowd does get unruly at times…so that’s the down part of being loud & so open. Yeah, it’s quite bad manners. But the thing is they boo everyone once they’ve made up their minds.

Before the match began, the commentators were like the “French love the under-dog, so expect the crowd to be for Guez”…or something to that effect..so maybe since they are both French, they decided to be for Guez the underdog? ‘coz in other matches, they usually support Monfils & other french players. We’ll see more tomorrow.

I’ve read a few posts saying they booed Rafa today (though I didn’t personally hear…maybe watching live streams I don’t hear everything?). I watched the Murray match, and I could here boos (‘coz the crowd was small, so the sound transmitted ok to my computer)… especially when Murray got exasperated with himself. I guess Fed is the exception to this bad behaviour…though he didn’t receive too much love from them either…they didn’t boo (at least not that I heard)…but the crowd was not 50-50 like I expected…it’s was wholly Benetteau’s.

I wish they could be loud, still supporting their player of choice….but without the boos to the opposition. But I guess it’s up to the players not to get distracted ‘coz nothing they can do about it.


jane Says:

Well, they were cheering on Monfils, but when he played a few crap points they booed him; I was surprised and thought it not very nice. They should cheer him when he’s down not kick him. LOL. I think they just wanted to ensure he got through?

Yeah, I noticed they seemed to be supporting Blake, and they were definitely supporting Benneteau in the Fed match.

I wonder what they’ll do in Monfils vs. Benneteau? Boo both? Cheer both? Be shockingly silent? I’ll be watching to find out.


Twocents Says:

I heard RK’s 25 1st serve note, but doubted it a bit, cuz I did recall a couple missed 1st serve of JB during the period he refered. Well.

Big conrats to JB. Great great play!

Heads up, Fed fans. This is Fed’s early xmas gift to Franch crowd, who supported him unweavingly thru-out his much more difficult times, who even let him take the FO trophy to his hotel for the night :-)).


been there Says:

jane,

I see what you mean regarding the Monfils-Guez match. In that case, they are simply giving tough love…or is it spare the rod & spoil a child. lol. The don’t want any rubbish tennis…they are afterall french…everything has to be quality with style. lol. But I doubt they’d do that if he was playing a foreigner…tough love, but not definitely not against a stranger.

Hopefully I can watch it Benneateau vs Monfils. Also Tsonga vs Simon. Woe unto whoever will play a frenchie in the qtrs…he’ll need earplugs.


Ro'ee Says:

1 top-ten win?
Gosh, I didn’t realize Murray and the Djoker were ranked outside the top-ten in Cincy (under 3 months ago). my bad.
also, he’s only played 4 tournaments in that period, so you’re referring to 3 top-ten wins in 4 tournaments.
btw, maybe “owns Rog Fed” was a bit much on the funk list, seeing as Roger had straight-setted Novak in their last 2 meetings. just a thought…


Voicemale1 Says:

I wonder if Federer wasn’t simply put off by having such a late arrival time onto the court. After the Nadal-Almagro “Ugly Bowl” he had to wait through the Monfils match before he could play.

Mostly though, at the end of the 2nd and all through the 3rd Set, Federer started showing some of the signs of that “half-step” slow movement, especially to the Forehand side, we saw in the spring during the early hard court swing. Benneteau just went for it, and it was a little sad to see Federer lose his grip on a match he’d had in his hands at the start.

The new family will start to make his career seem a lot less important now. I’d thought that it would be tournaments like this, an ATP 1000 event, that would be most difficult for him to find the same hunger & motivation to psych up mentally to cream someone in the 2nd round matches. It happened to Sampras – once he beat 12 Majors and got to 13 he went 26 months and 33 tournaments before he won again. There was an inner subconscious relaxation of the burning desire you have at age23 or so. We’ll probably see more of this kind of stuff from Federer in the tournaments like this one.


Twocents Says:

The more-often-than-not failing in final set just Swiss-style orderly declining of Fed’s tennis. As Fed’s age turns from 23 to 28, his on court results turns from winning all to winning big ones, losing finals only to losing early rounds, losing final sets to losing in straights, losing on fast courts to losing on all courts…

While there is no revesrse of the tide, how slowly Fed could manage his recession is still an intrigueing drama to be unfold.


i am it Says:

BT says, “Fed & Djokovic [though Djoko is slowly being replaced with Del.P..am really loving him...or they might share the spot] :)

i find my perfect ally in you. and Sar has hinted at the same duo. i am trying to recruit a few more members to the Club of DP-DJ for 2010-12. enjoy the ride while it lasts, fellas, and look ahead.


i am it Says:

Tomorrow’s Schedule

5:00 am (ET)……Davy vs. Sod

7:00 am………..Dj vs. Clement

9:00 am ……….Tsonga vs. Simon

9:00 am………..Cilic vs. Verdasco (Court 1)

11:00 am……….Monfils vs. Benneteau

12:00 …………Murray vs. Step (Court 1)

1:30 pm ……….Nadal vs. Robredo

3:30 pm………..DelPo vs. Gonzu


blah Says:

Djoker and Murray should take advantage of this. Nadal hasn’t been looking strong lately either. I caught a bit of Fed’s match; his forehand didn’t have the same fire power and he was making quite a few backhand errors.

And my fave Simon fought through but he probably won’t be a tough match for Tsonga; his knee tendonitis looked like it was going to force him to retire had he and Lubjcic played a few games longer.


ines Says:

JB played the match of his life. I have nothing against him but the guy is pathetic, crying as he has won a G.S.These players compare beating Roger to winning a tournament, perhaps Rogers is not so older as some people say and probably they know they will never win a G.S.and 15th???


madmax Says:

I look forward to seeing federer at O2, but after reading your posts everyone, my expectations are still with federer at the slams – this is NOT countdown. Everything from now on is a bonus – i know he has nothing to prove, but for me, i still want to see the passion from the guy I have loved since he won his first GS at wimby – I take heart and positives from the these times – I know it will be harder, but it is very much up to him now. I believe in the ‘heart age’ NOT the actual age – if he keeps himself fit, healthy and still has the hunger (missing in Bercy, have got to say), then Fed will remain at the top. I dont think he will be happy sliding down the rankings, so I think its either No.1 or No.2 for him, but ultimately its winning competitions – mainly slams now – would be great if he could AT LEAST equal Agassi’s 17 masters, just one more to go on that one Roge!

C’mon!


huh Says:

Stop this ‘Fed’s not a fighter’ BS! You guys need to understand that Fed’s been on top for more than 6 years and can be forgiven for being mentally drained by now. One cannot stay totally focussed forever. Some self-styled pundits really think that they know everything and that’s why they’ve been saying Fed doesn’t have fighting mentality. He almost beat Nadal at WIM 08 despite being at his worst form since 2003 upto now. Even Rafa blew leads tie-break against Fed coz he seemingly did not believe that he can actually beat Fed to win Wimby, this much when Fed’s confidence was at its lowest point and Rafa’s was at its peak. So get it and stop your rhetorics.

And again, I’ve to marvel at those people who claim that Rafa’s the mentally strongest and most courageous player ever. So much exaggeration ain’t good for their egos!


huh Says:

Now, I can only hope Fed can somehow cling to world no.1, that’s all!

I’d like either Fed or DP to win TOUR FINALS. But for Paris, I’m rooting for 1.Murray and 2. Nole. And of course DP too. But I’d rather want Tour finals trophy for him(coz as much as I’d love it, Fed can’t win the year end championship IMO!).

ON A DIFFERENT NOTE:

The rude Parisians were probably hoping yesterday for Rafa’s exit so that Fed’s year end No.1 gets secured. Otherwise why so much cheering almagro for each point being scored vs.Rafa? But it was sort of POETIC JUSTICE in the end that Fed lost.


madmax Says:

Huh, whenever I read your posts, I feel just so much better. I have read on other tennis forums (for some reason tennis.x has been real slow this morning and have only just been able to log on! booo!!! – there is so much doom and gloom. I hate it. Now I have just logged onto TX, and I feel more positive. Sometimes, as a fed fan I feel in the minority, but i wasnt impressed with rafa’s game or murray’s game yesterday AT ALL. Yes, because it is the fed – well, that’s okay to pull someone who has brought so much to tennis, down, down, down! This is reminiscent of 2008 – I just only hope that fed takes the rest he needs, practises more – that forehand which has let him down in key moments, and keeps the belief in himself that has kept him at the top for almost 10 years – He is still the best –

DURO –

I replied to you, about the ‘glorifying’ word in my other thread – it was NOT a criticism AT ALL! I was referring to Basel tournament. Maybe I should have used the words ‘still celebrating’. I hope you didnt take offence. I am not like that. hope to see you later today. love. mwah!!!!!xxx


madmax Says:

Fed is an amazing figher! His mental strength is better than anyone’s -moreso in slams- granted – AO, Berdych, FO Haas, and FO delpotro! Go fed! How can anyone say that he doesnt dig deep when he needs to! Realllllyyyy!!!


madmax Says:

I am it and sensational safin, you are the gurus in terms of stats. These were the stats for fed’s match yesterday – which dont seem too bad?

15 aces
41 winners
26 unforced errors
73 first serve %
85 % points won on first serve
1/7 break point conversion

was it the second serve? general mental application?


Duro Says:

Maxi, I’m not that sensitive! Relax! I didn’t get it that way at all. Don’t worry, we won’t spoil our friendship. I wrote you a couple of words after your star lost a match… See you, Maxi!


MMT Says:

“was it the second serve? general mental application?”

Option C – Benneteau played his arse off. The one think Federer could have done a little better was press Benneteau’s 2nd serve when he started to miss it, but as always he basically just got the ball back in play, and Benneteau, as well as he was playing, took advantage almost every time. Note the break point conversion rate from Madmax – that’s been the story of the last 2 years for Fed. Amazing given that he’s still #1 and won 3 slams, but I digress…

As for the French crowd – please remember this is a Parisian crowd, which is altogether a different brand of French. They don’t even play their Davis Cup matches in Paris precisely because they can quickly turn on their own and anyone else, for that matter. It wouldn’t suprise me at all if the French were bagging in it in a Davis Cup match in Paris, if they started cheering for the other country – especially if the other country were a “smaller” tennis playing nation than France.

They are quite unforgiving to their own players if they appear not to care and/or appear to be completely uncompetitive. If the French player gives it everything AND puts in a good performance, they support him with guns blazing (e.g. Tsonga last year at Bercy) but if not, they get on him like nobody’s business (e.g. Henri Leconte every time he choked at the French Open).

I also think Parisians have something against players that they perceive think a little highly of themselves (like Martina Hingis in her 1999 final at Roland Garros). It seems they don’t like it when a player appears indignant that at losing a point (i.e. “Of all people, I – the great [insert name here] couldn’t possibly have made a mistake!”). Basically they don’t like playes who are too uppity.

I think I’d feel right at home in the crowd at a tennis match in Paris.


MMT Says:

As to #1 and #2 – interesting bit of trivia – who are the only two players in the history of the #1 ranking to win 2 slams and NOT finish the year ranked #1?


Colin Says:

Some of you Fed fanatics are hilarious. You castigate anyone for suggesting the man is not as great as he was, THEN, in the next breath, you state the reasons WHY HE’S NOT. Make your little minds up.
He is in the autumn of his career. As is Nadal.
Face reality, please.


jane Says:

It may not just be Federer’s lower stat percentage in converting break points. It could be his return game in general, which has dropped in effectiveness since his halcyon days of more easy wins. Now, he faces a bunch of young players – Murray, Nadal, Djoko, and Delpotro – who are all excellent returners. Thus, they can sometimes neutralize the advantage he has on the serve, get into more of his service games, push him, and tire him out. Possibly, anyhow.

Woot – Djoko has kept up his quarterfinal streak in virtually every event he’s entered (minus 2 I believe). I guess he’ll face Soderling next, which could be tough.

Blah – sorry Simon went down, but I guess with his injury you predicted as much. Looks like Tsonga is still very much alive in his title defense here. Also looks like Verdasco is in for a bit of a fight against Cilic.


Voicemale1 Says:

Federer looked like “The Federer” in the opening set – meaning Benneteau had no chance. It was in the 2nd Set Tiebreak where Federer started to show an inexplicable tentativeness, moving with less speed and agility to cover the Forehand side. Typical was what he showed in Match Game. At 30-15, Federer has not one but TWO cracks at what is his signature shot, The Inside Out Forehand. It was shocking to watch him hit those two shots with such tentativeness, spinning them in for safety rather than driving through them to damage. The second one landed way too short, and that allowed Benneteau to step in and crack his backhand for a winner, setting up his two match points. That’s what was sad to watch. For whatever reason, Federer never put the hammer down the way he customarily does. That’s why he lost.


jane Says:

MMT, was one of them Agassi?


jane Says:

In this particular instance, I am kind of disappointed that Verdasco lost to Cilic; does anyone know how this affects his chances of making it to the YEC?


MMT Says:

Jane – good guess, but no. Agassi only won 2 slams in the same year once in his career – 1999. He finished the year ranked #1 – ending Sampras’ streak of 6 consecutive year-end #1 rankings from 1993 to 1998, although he did lose the YEC to Sampras that year.


i am it Says:

Jane,
It does not.
Verdasco —–3300 (after today’s loss)
Cilic———3010 (after today’s win)

if Cilic reaches semi, he will have 3010+180=3190.
Not enough.
If he reaches final, he will add 240 more. His total 3190+240 = 3430. So, he will need to reach the final. If he wins the title, add 400 and subtract Vienna’s 150 points (19th event), he will have 3680. Then he will be qualified as the 7th man, replacing Davy.


MMT Says:

Two more points on the Federer match:

(1) Benneteau used the high deep cross-court backhand to good effect, pushing Federer further and further out of position and then lacing just enough backhands down the line to keep him guessing – that contributed to Fed’s tentativeness on the inside out forehand.

(2) At his best, Federer’s defense is enough to use as a plan B when his opponents put him under pressure (Wimbledon final vs. Roddick comes to mind) but lately he appears to me to lack the initiative to transition effectively from offense to defense.

To do that your movement must be really good to get into position to make the transition with one shot, and even when he recognizes the opportunity to do so, he seems to lack that one or two steps he needs to do it effectively.


MMT Says:

If ever there were a player who could benefit from a brain it’s Almagro. Time and time again, when put under pressure by Nadal, rather than staying in the point with a defensive shot, this guy would go for the lines and miss, and I just can’t understand how, if he has a coach, they don’t work on this glaring tactical weakness. Blake is a lot like this as well – it’s the, “Either I’m playing well and I win, or I’m playing poorly and I lose,” mentality that plagues so many players.

Hitting out on every point and hoping you play well enough to win is a recipe for very spotty results and underachievement. His fitness has always been a question mark, and I think even in his own mind, it causes him to play unnecessarily high risk tennis when he doesn’t have to.

It just seems so obvious that there’s more than one way to win a point, and I don’t understand why players like him don’t see that.


jane Says:

i am it, but what if Soderling wins? Doesn’t that mean Verdasco could get bumped, for example? Maybe I wasn’t clear; I didn’t mean Cilic’s chances; I meant Verdasco’s.


Nina Says:

Don’t stress too much Fed fans, I’m sure he will resurface at the beginning of next season, but I’m afraid the season is done for him. For Nadal too. Only guys who have a real chance at winning Paris and London are Djoko and Murray. 2010 is going to be their year.


i am it Says:

so far today, no upset as such, unless you want to count Davy’s. Quarterfinal lineups continue as normal:
1st Half
Monfils vs. Cilic

Murray/Step vs. DelPo/Gonzu

2nd Half
Djoko vs. Soderling

Rafa/ Robredo vs. Tsonga


jane Says:

Nina – hope you’re right!

MMT – McEnroe? Connors?


jane Says:

No it’s Wilander isn’t it?


i am it Says:

J., i made a big mistake. pardon me, those were Soderling’s numbers, not Cilic’s. so replace Clic with Soderling, and keep the numbers.
it was too early for me.


jane Says:

thanks i am it; I read at the BBC, however, that Davydenko is assured of the 7th spot after Verdasco’s loss. So if true, that means only the 8th spot is up for grabs:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/tennis/8356812.stm


i am it Says:

Correction to my 11:35 post
(http://www.tennis-x.com/xblog/2009-11-11/2634.php/comment-page-1#comment-106972):

Verdasco —–—3300 (after today’s loss)
Soderling———–3010 (after today’s win)

if Soderling reaches semi, he will have 3010+180 = 3190.
Not enough.
If he reaches final, he will add 240 more. His total 3190+240 = 3430. So, he will need to reach the final. If he wins the title, add 400 and subtract WTC’s 105 points (19th event), he will have 3725. Then he will be qualified as the 7th man, replacing Davy.


been there Says:

Thank goodness Benneateau didn’t continue to work his magic. pheux! Poor Fed…the disadvantage of being so good is that players come on court to play the match of their lives, out of their skin….so if his level drops, the others have a chance. Tough tough being so gloriously good.

‘nywayz, Monfils gets through…:) Tsonga is through :)….I’m hoping for both to make it to the semis. allez allez!


i am it Says:

yes, j., BBC is right, because no 2 London contenders will win the Paris title, so Davy’s spot is safe, either as No. 7 or 8.


i am it Says:

and Murray is about to bagel Step in the 1st set. you must be dancing.


jane Says:

Yep: Murray is cruising; the lack of sleep didn’t bother him at all. Murray has never lost to Stepanek so I am not in the least bit surprised. I expected him to win this match easily. More challenging for Andy will be the winner of Gonzalez and JMDP. Gonza is 2-1 over Murray and while JMDP is 1-4 against Murray, their matches are always tight and exciting. If JMDP hadn’t've been so zonked in Canada I think he would’ve pulled up the H2H. And I suspect he’ll be itching to do that here, should they meet. In many ways, that could be the match of the tournament. That, and also if Nadal and Soderling are to meet again – lots of emotions would be underlying that match. Of course I am still hoping for a Murray/Djoko final, but we’ll see.


jane Says:

One would think Tsonga will make the semis anyhow, been there. He’s the more on form player between him and Nadal, assuming Nadal passes Robredo today. I know Rafa is a fighter so it’s tough to count him out, but right now I’d just give the edge to Tsonga on home court. Then it would be either Tsonga/Djok or Tsonga/Sod. Those could be great semis. On the other side, I think Monfil’s chances are a little slimmer, as Cilic has been playing quite well lately. That one is more like 50/50 in my mind. I am thinking Murray will be the opponent of whomever wins that one, but then again, it could be JMDP or even Gonza. Lots still left to go.


been there Says:

I’m really glad Davy has finally qualified. For me, he’s got the best work ethic of all players…does not complain about long season, doesn’t concern himself unnecessarily with other players business…just gets his head down & works really hard.

I’m a bit torn whom I want to see in London for the 8th spot. Firstly, Gonzalez has no business being there…much as I love his histrionics which he uses effectively to play mind games with his opponents, I feel if he’s disinterested in playing, he just walks off with an ‘injury’…am not even sure he really cares about qualifying. He seems to be at a stage where he plays only when motivated & for the love of the game…which is commendable to some extent.

SO I’m hoping for either Soderling or Tsonga.


sheila Says:

i guess i am not expert enuff 2get in2 an analysis of what’s going on with roger. however, 4me, watching tennis w/o him playing just isn’t the same. i am a loyal fed fan and all the others don’t do a thing 4me. maybe verdasco & delpo somewhat, but i just love watching roger play the game.


jane Says:

Steps is such a wily player, in a way; he’d never taken a set off Murray before today. He does attack the net so well. Murray should be looking to gain an advantage early in this third set. It’s actually quite an enjoyable watch as they’re both strategizing; you can almost see their brains tick-tick-ticking away: “what shot shall I try here?”


sar Says:

Jane, I have never counted out Stepanek against anyone.


sar Says:

Next up Nestor……….PLEASE GET THIS WIN


i am it Says:

it is really painful to be broken with double fault and go down double breaks. but Murray breaks and holds. there is still life. he has to break one more time. keep your hope, j. he can do it.


i am it Says:

bad day at the office, i guess, for sleep-depraved Murray, and Step turned out to be really willy. kind of surprised, but as Sar said, Step is un unpredictable cookie. feel sorry for Murray fans, Margo, j., and Kimmi. don’t worry he’ll do better in London.


jane Says:

Sar – I’ve learned my lesson; never count out Steps. I did count him out today as he’d never before even taken a set, but he played a good match. He almost got Djoko last week too. Murray’s serve was questionable, today, though – not too consistent. Bummer – don’t get my dream final. Sorry margot, Kimmi and any other likers of Andy M! : (

That opens up this side of the draw even more, doesn’t it, with both Murray and Fed gone? I guess one would expect your favorite JMDP to come through, hey, i am it?

Meanwhile, the other side still has Rafa, Sod, Djoko and Tsonga!

Go Nesty and Zims!


madmax Says:

yowsa! Sheila! Another fedfan! there arent many of us about! yes. I know what you mean. and I am just loving I AM IT. This guy is incredible in terms of stats. I reckon he should put himself forward for Roger’s coach! C’mon! I am it! get on that phone and say to roge, you are available to sort his game out! (before AO).

COLIN,

I take it you are NOT a federer fan, so how on earth could you possibly understand how we feel about the guy? I am certainly NOT a fairweather fan – for me – without roger – tennis WOULD never be the same again – I completely understand the love for novak and for murray and for delpo with a shake of the cilic – BUT federer plays a bad match, and you would think that the guy was a beginner with nothing to his game – c’mon! Like ‘been there’ said in this post:

November 12th, 2009 at 12:05 pm

Fed has been ‘just too good’, the moment he drops his usually high standard of tennis, it gives the others a chance. I am not someone who doesnt recognise a change in his game Colin, but at the same time – i would appreciate a bit more of an analysis from you rather than an outright criticism. Try to be more objective -

Duro, lovely duro. I think it is me! you said i was too delicate! I have to grow a harder shell! But i like these people much more duro, i can understand why you post here more – TT is full of fed bashers right now – i dont like what i read – but i love hearing from you – mwah!


i am it Says:

honestly, j., i am not hoping big for DelPo. he may lose to Gonzu today, whom he trails 1-3 (?) in h2h. even if he gets past Gonzu today, i don’t see him beating Step in the quarter, and Cilic or Monfils in the semi, as he is not playing well. i will be able to say more concretely only after watching him play later today.


MMT Says:

Okay no more suspense:

In 1982, Jimmy Connors won Wimbledon (defeated McEnroe in the final) and the US Open (defeated Lendl in the final), but McEnroe finished the year ranked #1 WITHOUT winning any slams (Wilander Won the French Open and Johan Kriek repeated his victory from the previous year at the Australian Open). Connors over took him in the second release of rankings in 1983.

In 1989, Boris Becker won the Wimbledon (defeated Edberg in the second match of their trilogy from 1988 to 1990) and the US Open (defeated Ivan Lendl in his last of 8 consecutive US Open finals in a row dating back to 1982) but Lendl finished the year ranked #1 having won only he Australian Open that year (beating Miroslav Mecir in the final – a guy he didn’t particularly get along with, by the way), and maintained that ranking until August of 1990 after repeating his victory at the Australian Open (when Edberg retired due to an abdominal muscle injury).

Michael Chang was the other slam winner in 1989, beating Edberg in the final. It was the only grand slam victory of his career.


i am it Says:

madmax says, “I am just loving I AM IT. This guy is incredible in terms of stats. I reckon he should put himself forward for Roger’s coach! C’mon! I am it! get on that phone and say to roge, you are available to sort his game out! (before AO).”
Thanks for the compliment, sweetheart. i wish i were that good.
take your heart. Roger has much more tennis left in him. he will continue to mesmerize us, though not as routinely as he used to. some days he will play his best, reminding us of the golden days, some days, not so good. we have to learn to accept small losses. we were spoiled too much in the past. he has done enough. we cannot ask him for more. we cannot be greedy. let me him enjoy the rest of his career the way he wants to. he loves the game. and we love him for that. that’s all matters. he will win bigger events. believe me he will do all he can at London. and i am confident he will end the year with No. 1, and hopefully win AO, one more time. keep your optimism.


sar Says:

Might also have been the lack of rest for Murray and the fact he was on court 1. It’s kind of insulting to be on court 1. Novak usually gets that type of crappy deal.

I think this should help motivate Novak more now that Fed and Murray are out on that side.

Iamit: If Novak gets past Soda who is better for him, Robredo or Nadal?


been there Says:

Ok, who saw that coming after Murray dished out a bagguette in 1st set. ei…strange…very strange indeed. I won’t pretend to be overly happy for Stepanek…I’m just quite glad that Murray has lost ‘coz at the moment, he’s my least favourite player. hehe…But that’s the way it goes, one fan’s lose is another one’s gain, no? Just like yesterday when Fed lost, most ppl were very happy Fed lost as opposed to overly happy for Julien. Just being honest.

Now, My problem with Murray..I guess it’s partly ‘coz I don’t like his tennis style. But after further interrogating myself over the whole yr, I’ve realised it’s not solely his tennis style that bugs me (‘coz otherwise I’d also not like Rafa & Simon in equal measure…& others with primarily defensive tennis)….it’s mainly ‘coz of his on-court behaviours & partly ‘coz I’m overly exposed to British media….call it Murray saturation…I’ve had enough of it throughout the whole yr where they insisted he’s the favourite at ALL slams…ahead of Rafa & Fed. And the bad thing is that Murray also bought into this mania, especially at wimby.


sar Says:

Any live streams on Nestor?


been there Says:

Despite my dislike for him, I admire that Murray’s quite effective with his tennis. However, the ringing question gets louder…what must Murray do if he’s to get that first grand-slam in 2010?

Answer: Play more aggressively! ‘coz otherwise he’s going to continue winning best-of-three matches…but once it comes to slams, players have more time to adjust their game…so such defensive tennis as he’s shown this year won’t cut it. As it is it’s not cutting it in masters enough. Yes, I know he was in won 2…but for a player who is entering his ‘peak’…for me, it simply isn’t good enough….’coz Fed, who’s supposedly has been in the sunset of his career for 2 yrs (& branded as completely finished after every loss, including yesterday’s. lol) also won 2 masters & Nadal, who’s supposedly now’over’ got 3 wins. I won’t bring the slams into this discussion ‘coz so far, Murray hasn’t won one, so it wouldn’t be fair…but just my opinion.

I may not like him, but I still have higher expectations from him…if just not for the fact that I don’t want to see him torn apart (yet again) by British media. Or are my high expectations due to being brain-washed by the media? I’ll wait & judge for myself in Australia.


i am it Says:

Sar asks, “i am it: If Novak gets past Soda who is better for him, Robredo or Nadal?”

I’d say Robredo, but it does not really matter. if Dj beats Sod tomorrow, which he should, as big hitters don’t usually bother him much, esp. if they are not quick returners, Dj. should not have problem with either. Tsonga will be a real challenge, though. and if he can deal with Tsonga, he will likely win the title.


huh Says:

madmax:

I LOVE YOU!!!

I simply fail to understand why Colin’s so pissed off? And by the way, only God knows what he’s trying to prove here!

Unhappy about Muzza’s loss :( , but very happy about Simon’s loss :D [Tsonga beating him makes it even sweeter :D ].

Come on Tsonga and DP !

I hope Robredo gives Rafa a tough fight and if possible, beat him even, this just for the sake of I not wanting Rafa to gain too many points so that Fed becomes the year end No.1. I know I’m being selfish this time. ;)

By the way, I also want you people to know that Kimmi/Jane etc aren’t Murray fans. Margot & Colin are! Similarly ‘i am it’ is not a Fed fan but a DP fan.


Twocents Says:

huh,

Good one at 4:56am! Throw it to the Bozo, Such Low Price, Reed, and Tignor’s of the world.


huh Says:

Hi Twocents and Hi MMT! Nice to see MMT back again! You should come more often guys! :)


huh Says:

Rafa looks motivated today, I think with Fed & Murray’s exit, pressure is already off him, Tsonga has already tremendous pressure (of defending the title) and would have further burden of pressure when he faces Rafa, Nole too would be under pressure when facing Rafa. All this means Rafa’s a chance to win Paris, a GOOD ONE actually! OMG, I’m freaking out already! Today’s an easy day for Rafa. I can only say BEST OF LUCK FEDERER IN YOUR PURSUIT OF YEAR END NO.1! Lastly, God save Federer’s No.1 position now!


sar Says:

Anyone know why Tsonga Benneteau retired against the Bryans? They didn’t even play. What the hell? Is this a tank?


madmax Says:

HUH!

You are a bear! and I love you too!

Do you know, ‘I am it’ is a ‘special’ tennis fan -who has a gift – something that I do not have, but I will learn a lot from the both of you – trust me – although I know that I am it is NOT a fed fan, he says some pretty amazing, clinical, fair stuff about our beloved roge and I enjoy his critical analysis – so he is a friend of mine! whooooop! whoooop!

I am it – THE best post of the evening for me:

‘we cannot be greedy. let me him enjoy the rest of his career the way he wants to. he loves the game. and we love him for that. that’s all matters. he will win bigger events. believe me he will do all he can at London. and i am confident he will end the year with No. 1, and hopefully win AO, one more time. keep your optimism’.

You are such a caring tennis fan! thank you ‘I am it!’

been there,

yes. you feel exactly the way that i do about murray, and I tried to explain this to jane – (Hi Jane!- sorry about murray today for you ), it is complete saturation with murray ALL YEAR. By November, I am sick of hearing his name – it is everything that goes with that. TV, RADIO, NEWSPAPERS, ugh! save me!

Murray has a weakness in his game – his second serve – i also feel that he waits for his opponent (more than the other players), to make a mistake before he capitalises on that mistake. (that is not to say that he isnt talented – i know lovely people, I know he is talented, but he is such a pandora’s box for me – you open him up and there is good stuff, bad stuff – the media play their part, but it just puts me off.

Federer – Jane – the interview fed gave was brilliant. Thank you for the link. He was so complimentary about Julian – fed sounded very at peace to me – at peace with where he is at.

Have a great night guys and I’ll catch you tomorrow.

mwah!


margot Says:

jane: boohoo! Didn’t see match but how can Andy win the first set so convincingly,and then b—-y lose??!! He clearly has a lot of work to do, not least with his head, as sensationalsafin suggested.
All up to Djko and Tsonga now.


i am it Says:

j., Duro, and Sar, guess what, if Dj and DePo happen to face in the final here, i will be rooting for Dj. I will be doing the same at London.

but for London, who and how i will be rooting for is more complicated:
1. i want Fed to secure the year-end No. 1, even at the price of beating DePo and Dj in the YEC final.
2. i want Dj to win the YEC title, even if he were to play DePo in the final.
3. i want DelPo to do better than every one else, except Fed and Dj at YEC. if Fed and Dj secure their respective rankings but fall before semi, then i am 100% DePo all the way.

do you see, guys, it is not that simple? j., you understand this well, don’t you?


sar Says:

NESTY JUST WON!

I am It:

LOL you think like me. “If this one does this then I want that to happen” kind of thinking.
I really would like Dj to take this Bercy title as he already has YEC.


margot Says:

huh: correction, jane and kimmi as big Murray fans as I am.


jane Says:

Huh says “I also want you people to know that Kimmi/Jane etc aren’t Murray fans. Margot & Colin are! Similarly ‘i am it’ is not a Fed fan but a DP fan.”

I don’t know what you mean by “fan” but I consider myself a Murray “fan” because he’s my second fave, right behind Djoko. Then there’s a bunch I like in no particular order, Rafa, Roddick, Tsonga, JMDP, etc. In my opinion, a person can be a fan of more than one player with no problems. When two guys that person likes face one another, then I suppose it comes down to a hierarchy of faves or whatever other circumstances. But I do know for a fact that i am it is both a Djoko and a JMDP fan – nothing wrong with that.

i am it – I totally understand your motivations for rooting for different people for different reasons; I do the same thing all the time.

margot – partly it was just Murray going off in the second set. He could’ve won in two, I think, if he’d really dug in, but he was probably tired, and maybe even uninspired by court 2 (though I doubt that’d bug him too much). Steps did play his attacking style though. So it was likely a combo of one playing well and the other being tired.


jane Says:

sar – No problemo for Nesty and Zims!

I see Nadal will likely lose another set here, though.


rose Says:

robredo is on fire…i think he will do what nico couldnt do yesterday ..take down nadal …all nadal does is defending ..he doesnt deserve to win ..as matter of fact he didnt deserve to win yesterday..shocker nico handled it to him on a silver platter..nadals game totally figured out by every single player now


i am it Says:

Robredo might become another Almagro, if he cannot wrap it up in his own serve. Rafa gets a break point….Almagro is smiling !


i am it Says:

and Robredo gets broken while serving for the match and becomes 2nd Almagro!


rose Says:

oh my..is robredo for real?..im speechless..


MMT Says:

I’m watching the Robredo Nadal match, and I’ve got to say that’s just a terrible choke from Robredo – unbelieveable.


jane Says:

Okay, now I am starting to think there is something to been there’s posts about Rafa’s compatriot opponents; once again, just like Almagro, Robredo is serving for the match and can’t close the deal. Is this a mental block they have when playing Rafa? It’s not all Rafa since he is clearly not playing his best. Sheesh.


MMT Says:

2 great points from Nadal – he anticipated the location of the serve, went after it and came in – what a champ.


i am it Says:

once again, Rafa pulls it through, as Robredo choked, surrendered, just got nervous, or whatever.


jane Says:

Unbelievable: squeaks by again. Rafa’s last two matches were kind of like Djoko’s quarter and semi finals in Basel, where he was able to hang in. The difference is that Djoko cruised through his third sets. Rafa is barely getting through. I don’t think Rafa will get away with this against Tsonga; forget about it.


rose Says:

well i have to say that every time rafa is about to lose the match ..his best game comes out..and he reminds me the rafa we all have been known for a while..he so good under extreme pressure..and nadal done it again ….great competitor. well, we will see how he does tomorrow against tsonga..someone that isnt a Spaniard ..lol


i am it Says:

had it been other than Spaniard opponents in those 2 rounds and in a similar position, the outcome may not have been the same. of course, rafa enjoys mental edge over his compatriots, slightly more than others. but he is the man who stay focused, determined, and tenacious in every point. in this area, no one comes closer.


MMT Says:

Nadal Tsonga will be VERY interesting, but to be honest, I see Rafa winning it. Tsonga has abandoned the style of play that delivered him so much success in 2008 – the net rushing. If he’s dumb enough to challenge Rafa from the baseline, he’ll lose again because he lacks the consistency to compete with that.


been there Says:

Yes, it’s called ‘spanish player syndrome’ when facing Rafa….yes, Rafa is a great competitor etc. but you’ve gotta admit a choke, seemingly giving a match on a silver platter when you see it, it’s more than just a great player vs underdog thing….Fed had chances to break back yesterday against Benneateu…but Julien gave his all such that even if Fed were to break back, no one could fault Julien….similarly, today Stepanek against Murray…he didn’t give in when Murray broke back once in 3rd set….he still pushed & pushed & found himself with a WIN, even if he had a 0-3 setless record coming into the match.

Now compare these with Almagro & Robredo playing Rafa….I am 100% convinced that any other non-spanish players could have put a fight…even if they went ahead to lose…not just be broken & SMILE while doing it! lol. or stand there in the name of sudden cramps just as one is serving for the match. At the very least, pretend to be upset! Playing most passively at the most crucial points…what with that? I don’t notice this when other compatriots are playing each other…be they French, Swiss, Czechs, Serbians, etc…it’s a fight through & through by the underdogs….Simon playing injured was more inspired than these two despite his straight-sets lose to Tsonga.

Let me look for the positives in their performances…at the beginning of the tournament, I had said that Rafa wouldn’t be troubled by these two; infact, he could defeat them with closed eyes….so I’ve been proven wrong… it’s good to see that they put a ‘fight’…even if it wasn’t at the crucial points…maybe in their next matches they’ll try harder. It’s not the actual loses..just the manner of the loses that looks bad.


i am it Says:

DePo and Gonzu start well in the battle of two of the most aggressive and biggest hard hitters of the tour. i am not expecting Gonzu’s histrionics today because he is friends with DelPo and respect each other.
looking at the 1st two service games, the match is 50-50 at this point.


jane Says:

MMT, you could be right about Rafa/Tsonga. I know what you mean about Tsonga adandoning the very play that took him to the AO final in 2008, but on the other hand, this Rafa is not at his best either and this is Tsonga’s home crowd and he is defending the title. So it should be a good battle indeed. P.S. Thanks for revealing the answers to the trivia contest; I see by sheer guesswork I got one right in Connor. I figured one of the players had to be in that era as there were so many contenders for slams in the 80s.


Kimmi Says:

Who will nadal play next, not another spaniard I hope. just terrible. Did not see step/Murray but I bet step must have taken the net away from Murray. Oh well…what I couple of days its been.

All is left for me now is DelPo..C’moon take the trophy home.


jane Says:

*Connors…


sar Says:

Tsonga and Benneteau pulled out of their doubles match with the Bryan Bros, for obvious reasons I suppose for Jo.
From Drew Lilley blog
———————————
Can people just “pull out” so there is an advantage the next day?


sar Says:

I just watched the Clement/Djokovic match and was surprised how “correct” the crowd was toward Djok.
Bongo man was still doing his thing but there was no booing or boorish behaviour toward him.


Kimmi Says:

Gonzo sets up ponts very well on that last game. The slice troubles delPo a little.


i am it Says:

Kimmi, i am glad you’ve joined the DelPo club for this tournament. but i have serious doubt he will that far. i will be content if he wins today. that’s all my expectation from me.
he was serving for the set but failed to close, and it’s 5-5.
Go delPo !


i am it Says:

s/b: he will/ he will go


sar Says:

Anyone know the time of Djok/Sod match USA time?


Kimmi Says:

aaaarg..can you believe it i am it..he had a big lead in this tie break…a little rusty i guess…poor shots selection


Kimmi Says:

DelPo has always been a slow starter. Still have hope for him.


i am it Says:

that must be embarrassing and annoying for DelPo to lose a set like that, squandering break while serving for the set and again 3 set points.


Andrew Miller Says:

Yeah, that would be Federer’s worst loss in 2009. Otherwise, just looking at a scan of his results for 2009, Federer’s had an awesome year. Four grand slam finals, winning 50 percent of them. Four titles total (two masters, two slams). It’s still number one territory. The guy is looking more like Lendl every day.


jane Says:

I can’t watch right now as I have students coming and going, but glancing at the scores, this match looks tight. Could go either way?


Kimmi Says:

Commentator said looks like DelPo has picked up an injury..could be abd strain or something. He is touching his stomach area a lot and his 1st serve speed is gone very low.


i am it Says:

Gonzu is playing as well as delPo, may be a little better. and his is return has been better and his low slices in particularly are working against the delPo’s height. dePo has been error prone at crucial moments. his forehand is missing. he is not serving well. i’ve lost my hope. i think Gonzu will win at the end.


Kimmi Says:

maybe delPo will do a Nadal


i am it Says:

Kimmi, i doubt that. delPo is having stomach ache and it’s hurting him when has to run and when he raises his arm to serve. no chance for him tonight.


Kimmi Says:

Well..I am it..he is saved 7 match points so far.


been there Says:

Both players are injured…a question of last man standing.


Kimmi Says:

he he he double fault…new life for DelPo


Kimmi Says:

aaaaarg..squandered.
6-6 all now.


i am it Says:

dePo wastes again triple set points. could not serve 1 out of 2. poor kid.


Kimmi Says:

WHAT ? retirement, well well well ! congrats DelPo..not really a Nadal but close…


i am it Says:

in the 4th attempt, strangely, delPo wins the set, and good or bad, Gonzu decides to retire.
did not wish to happen this way, but i will take the win.


been there Says:

Sort of ok with Gonzo retiring….he was the more injured one & no way was he going to play tomorrow even if he won…he couldn’t even run towards the end. Question is…will Del.P be ok by tomorrow? The commentators say it’s a stomach strain & will depend on what his physio can do for him.


Kimmi Says:

stepanek has a really chance to get far in this tourney. looking good for him i think..


i am it Says:

tomorrow’s quarterfinals schedule:

8:00 am (ET)—–Djoko-Sod

10:00 am———Rafa vs. Tsonga

1:30 pm———-Cilic vs. Monfils

3:30 pm———-delPo vs. Step


i am it Says:

yes, Kimmi, delPo will be in Murray’s situation tomorrow. Not looking good.

Murray on his loss: “Obviously, I was not at my best but I was not expecting to (be).
“I said last night it was going to be difficult to come back and feel 100%.
“It’s obviously limited recovery after a long match. It’s 4 a.m. by the time you get to bed. So it’s not perfect preparation for a match. But you still come out and you try and give it your best shot. Wasn’t good enough.
“After a few days off I’ll feel good.

“I’m looking forward to London. I’ll give it my best shot.”


Kimmi Says:

I am it, thanks for Murray quotes.

It’s true the schedule was brutal for him. How could they schedule so many matches in one court…No way can you recover in such a short time. Delpo got almost the same schedule today, with the injury..it does not look good..

Since Murray come back from the injury he has not really being at his best..he could play much better than the way he played in Valencia and Paris. At least he is guaranteed the best schedule in London, no late matches over there for Murray. Go Murray and Go Fed.

Murray loss today takes him out of Year end # 3 contention. If Djoko continues to do well here, there is no way Murray can catch him. Good play for Novak, he is looking to be in his best form this year.


i am it Says:

according to Murray, he fulfilled his goal: “My goal after coming back was to get in good enough shape to compete well in London and I think that has been achieved. I’ll be match-fit for my first match there. What I’ve done in the last couple of weeks has been absolutely perfect.”

===================================================
Sar, this could be of interest to you, but most think that Rafa will not survive Tsonga, so this stat may not be relevant for that purpose. however, here i present you the stats of Djoko an Rafa’s last 2 matches.

Nadal: spent 5:34 hrs, Lost 2 sets, Faced 1 Tie Break, 1st Serve % 65, 14 Aces, Break Pt. Conv. 43%,

Djokovic: 2:46 hrs, Lost sets 0, Faced 0 Tie Break, 1st Serve % 65, 12 Aces, Break Pt. Conv. 49%


been there Says:

Kimmi says:

“At least he is guaranteed the best schedule in London, no late matches over there for Murray.”

Actually, if Wimbledon ’09 is anything to go by, then Murray is bound to play the last matches of the day at prime time….it’s all about the all important viewers ratings for the BBC. Wimbledon schedule was governed by BBC…both for ATP & WTA (remember ‘beautiful’ girls playing on centre court, lol…with no1 & 2 seeds pushed to courts 1&2?…& wimby organisers unashamedly admitted it’s so that they could attract viewers…so to hell with quality tennis!)

I guess the French are scheduling many games per court ‘coz they want the spectators to get full money’s worth by getting to see as many players as possible for the same ticket. But hopefully none of the players is affected at London YEC ‘coz depending on the draw, there’s a day of rest.


jane Says:

I am glad to read those Murray quotes; thanks i am it. It sounds like he has got what he wanted. He won Valencia, so another title, and a couple of good matches in Paris. Not bad.

Also, I know the stats were for sar, but wow, quite the difference. Could it be that Rafa’s way through might be like Djoko’s last week? Tough?

Too bad Gonzalez had to retire and also that Delpo sounds injured as well. I hope he can make a match of it next round; Step can be a difficult opponent at the best of times though.


huh Says:

Mrs. Jane, so long as in a Muzza-Nole match, you root for Nole, you’re not a Muzza fan, only a Nole fan.

Even I become sad when Fed beats DP/Muzza/Nole/rest , even Rafa, but that doesn’t make a fan of theirs simply coz of the fact that it’s em otion/sympathy for the other guys , but love /happiness for Fed. Like this.

Mrs Margot: I’m a little surprised t know that you’re only as much of a fan of Murray as Mrs. Jane/Kimmi are. That means are you a Fed fan coz of I have seen you praising Fed pretty lavishly?


jane Says:

huh – are you in my house?! If not, then how do you know for whom I root? At Cincy 2008, I rooted for Murray over Djoko because I wanted him to get his first big title – it was his first MS title. I root for Murray in many of his matches, and at Miami this year, when Murray/Novak played, I just sat back and enjoyed the match.

———————————————–
fan |føn| |fan|:
a person who has a strong interest in or admiration for a particular sport, art form, or famous person : football fans | I’m a fan of this author.
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No where does this definition say that a person can’t be fans of more than one sport, or more than one player, or more than one band!!

I am a fan of tennis first. My favorite players change with the times and even change in terms of who is more of a favorite at a particular time.

Anyhow, you can think what you want huh. Doesn’t change how I feel or for whom I root. : )

Go Novak! Go Murray!


Kimmi Says:

been there, I agree with you. Murray may be scheduled for prime time in London but no way this ridiculous 1 am in the morning. At least if they has both players play this late then it would be equal but what time did stepanek finish ? was it 6pm…. he finished at 7pm today too.


Kimmi Says:

s/b At least if they *have


been there Says:

True Kimmi…certainly not this late…’coz for starters, they’re fewer matches to be played…like 2 per day at most?..or something like that…so the possibility of such a late finish is almost nil.


margot Says:

i am it: thanx for nice quotes from Andy. Very realistic, honest etc and he doesn’t whine.
huh darling: of course I’m a Federer fan! How could anyone who loves the beautiful game not be? But he’s got his 15 and alas “time and tide wait for no man.” I appreciate many players, many styles and am really interested in Paris inspite of Andy going out. Now I root for Djko and Tsonga, so its still good for me.


madmax Says:

Hello ALL fans of tennis! Yes, am loving the conversation here.

I am it – I have to say, you are truly a GOD in my eyes. If you dont mind me asking, how on earth do you get the time to work out all the stats? Are you retired or a boffin? :)

Margot – so good to see another federer fan here -I know that a lot of you support lots of players -and yes, i watch their games too – but there can be no one else for me – I love roger far too much to be unfaithful!

Only another week to go before I go to the O2 in London, I really hope I get to see him play – you never know though, until you get there on the day as they are all ‘group stages’.

Enjoy the rest of the PARISBERCY tournament everyone!


huh Says:

“jane Says:
huh – are you in my house?! If not, then how do you know for whom I root? At Cincy 2008, I rooted for Murray over Djoko because I wanted him to get his first big title – it was his first MS title. I root for Murray in many of his matches, and at Miami this year, when Murray/Novak played, I just sat back and enjoyed the match.

———————————————–
fan |føn| |fan|:
a person who has a strong interest in or admiration for a particular sport, art form, or famous person : football fans | I’m a fan of this author.
———————————————-

No where does this definition say that a person can’t be fans of more than one sport, or more than one player, or more than one band!!

I am a fan of tennis first. My favorite players change with the times and even change in terms of who is more of a favorite at a particular time.

Anyhow, you can think what you want huh. Doesn’t change how I feel or for whom I root. : )

Go Novak! Go Murray!”

Ok then, doesn’t matter much for me thou. But yes, I know that you really like many players. But same with me as well. This year, even I was rooting for Muzza nearly as much as Fed to win Wimbledon and in USO I was never in doubt that I was totally rooting for Muzza above anyone else. So going by what you say, Can I call myself a fan of more than one players? May be yes! ;) Cheers!

Hey dear Mrs.Margot, it’s nice to know that you’re a Fed fan, I’m proud to be in your company then! :)


jane Says:

Cheers huh! I totally see that you’re a fan of more than one player.


madmax Says:

Hi tennis.x tigers! For those of you who are loving THE fed! (I get confused here, but it does not matter to me – you are all excellent posters!). I found this extract from part of his interview and I have to say, I have FULL AND TOTAL faith in the fed! In a way, on reflection, Federer now has these extra days to practice. He has said on more than one occasion, that “I would like to finish the year at No. 1″. This being the case, he will work his butt off to achieve it. He will have to as Nadal is now through to the SF’s, despite his awful second round match – but incredible reserve from rafa. Fed is no fool. If he uses this event as a “practice” and a “I need to see where my game is at”, then to go away and come back even stronger, then so be it!

I love the man people. I just love him. Here’s the extract:

By the way DURO!, you must be stoked for Novak right now, my lovely friend? where HAVE you been?!

Mr. Federer:
“I guess I’m a clay court specialist now,” joked the reigning French Open champion, who has only reached three career quarterfinals at the Bercy arena.

“I was really happy to come here, unfortunately it’s a two, three day trip. Now it’s back home, back to the practice courts. I want to make sure I’m in top shape for London where I won Wimbledon before.”

Federer is now banking on coming good at the eight-man championships.

“I can at least make a good run there, because I really feel like I have some good tennis left in me. I’m not going to let my head hang after this tournament.

“These matches sometimes happen for me. And I definitely have some work to do. Even though this wasn’t bad, but I definitely think I have to up my game for the Masters.”


madmax Says:

Huh! you make me laugh when you call Jane, “Mrs, Jane”, AND Margot, “Mrs. Margot” – you are soooo respectful to them (and they are so knowledgeable about tennis!).


madmax Says:

i am it,

Just checked the rankings – should rafa win paris masters 1000 points. He will overtake roger in the rankings – fed currently 10,150 points, rafa currently 9,250 points. I didnt realise it was THAT close at THIS point? I thought that things would be decided at the 02, YEC – OR is it that the points wont be added until a certain date? Sorry I am it – because you have worked so hard to try and explain the points, but I am lagging behind!


i am it Says:

Madmax,
for updated ranking scenario, you may want to have a look at this post,
http://www.tennis-x.com/xblog/2009-11-12/2641.php/comment-page-2#comment-107230


madmax Says:

thanks i am it! you’re the boss!


i am it Says:

no problem, madmax, you are such a sweetheart. i bow to your sweetness. you are special.


madmax Says:

I am it!

I look out for your comments and huh’s when i come onto this forum – you both are FAB! FAB! FAB! Have got to be honest. Much as I am trying not to think about fed’s winning next tourny, I sooooo want him to finish the year No. 1. Equally, I am torn. Rafa has been injured and is coming back into form – so for him to re-establish himself as No.1 isnt such a big deal – he is a worthy champion – but fed is special to me – always will be – so I am hoping that he puts the work in, and regains that spark that has been missing in the final sets of some of his matches.

Go Fed Go! Do it for the twins!

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