Federer Gets Berdych Rematch, Murray Faces Hot Nalbandian Friday in Toronto
by Sean Randall | August 13th, 2010, 9:34 am
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What a great line-up today at the Rogers Cup Tennis Masters quarterfinals. Andy Murray is on first against David Nalbandian at 1pm. Rafael Nadal follows versus Phil Kohlschreiber. Then in evening Roger Federer gets a rematch with Tomas Berdych and in the closer Novak Djokovic challenges Jeremy Chardy.

First, a quick rewind back to Thursday, a day in which things went mostly to form. Nalbandian remained smoking hot putting away Robin Soderling in three sets. Roger Federer shook off a slow start to roll over Michael Llodra. Djokovic benefited from the later schedule in a straight set ease of Victor Hanescu and Nadal took care of qualifier Kevin Anderson.

The only result close to an eye-opener was Chardy’s straight set win over Nikolay Dayvdenko and the fact that Gael Monfils fed Murray a second set bagel.

Those results set up a nice quarterfinal schedule for Friday the 13th. Here are my match capsules:

Andy Murray v. David Nalbandian
This is the match of the summer to this point – likely to be eclipsed tomorrow or even later in the day. Murray is the defending Canadian champion while Nalbandian has won 11 straight matches and is seemingly back at full strength. And when David’s on his “A” game don’t we all just get a little giddy over the possibilities. Well, for all the talent and praise we award him Nalbandian often fails to live up to the hype. But I think today he stays on his wave.

Nalbandian has never lost to Murray in their two prior meetings. We recall their first clash at Wimbledon when David overcame a 2-0 set deficit to sting Murray at Wimbledon. The Argentine then got him again at the Paris Indoor in 2008.

Said Murray about David, “Yeah, he’s very tough. You know, I obviously played him at Wimbledon the first year I played there and lost in five sets, and then I played against him after I won the tournament in Madrid and St. Petersburg, and then I played him in Paris and I was pretty tired by then, but he’s a very, very good player, on his day, one of the best in the world and it’s gonna be tough.”

Murray didn’t look great in L.A. and he did drop a 6-0 set yesterday to Monfils, so there’s some concern over his form whereas there’s absolutely none for Nalbandian. David’s ripped off wins now over six straight Top 10 or former Top 10 players and as the head-to-head suggests, I think he matches up well with Murray. The Scot’s second serve is especially vulnerable to an aggressive returner like Nalbandian, and if Murray gets too defensive Nalbandian will run him ragged.
My pick: Nalbandian in two

Rafael Nadal v. Phil Kohlschreiber
At 26 and nearing 27, I think Kohlscreiber is off his peak. And to beat Nadal the German would have to be at that peak playing level. Unfortunately for him, I don’t think he still has the game to upset a player like Rafa.

Phil has a great backhand, good court instincts and is good mover – all qualities needed to beat Nadal – but I just feel he did all those things better a few years ago than he does them now. And Nadal’s won all six career meetings, two this year including a four-setter in Australia.

That said, Nadal, has looked rusty and error prone. He was lucky to have won that first set against Stan Wawrinka the other night, and last night he again was pushed deep into a breaker by qualifier Anderson. So I think it will be tight, but…
My pick: Nadal in two

Roger Federer v. Tomas Berdych
In the second “match of the summer” today, Federer gets a shot at revenge against his new boogeyman, Berdych. The Czech has beaten Roger the last two outings – in a thriller in Miami in April and in a stunner in June at Wimbledon.

Federer still leads Birdman 8-3 but has won just two sets of seven played in those losses this year.

Said Federer, “I definitely have to go back, and think what didn’t go so well against him and what did work well. He’s definitely on the run right now, so hope to stop him a bit. He played great in Paris, at Wimbledon, and also, he beat me in Miami in a tough three setter where I had match point, so that was a bit of a pity, obviously. So I hope to learn from those mistakes and come up with a good game plan tomorrow.”

Neither guy comes into today’s showdown playing high level tennis. Federer’s won both matches in straight sets but he didn’t look particularly great in doing it – unless you like pink. Berdych lost to Xavier Malisse in a poor outing in Washington last week, and on Thursday he needed three tough sets to beat Dolgopolov. So the big guy’s form is not where it was when he beat Roger at Wimbledon.

And in my post last night I talk about Federer’s mental attitude and how despite the losses piling up he still thinks he can win. And against Berdych, mentally even though he’s dropped two straight to him, he’ll going in thinking “Tomas beat me at Wimbledon because I was injured and now I’m 100% fit and healthy, and I have Paul Annacone by my side. In fact, Tomas has never beaten me when I’ve been with Paul. Hell, no one has.” Call it arrogance or confidence but that’s the mind of a tennis champion. You put a positive mental spin on the situation and play the game.
My pick: Federer in two

Novak Djokovic v. Jeremy Chardy
I know people don’t like hearing this, but a small percentage of the outcome of this match hinges on the earlier night match between Federer and Berdych. If Berdych wins I think Novak gets through as opportunity awaits. If Federer wins it gets a little tougher.

We saw Novak struggle mightily in his opener Wednesday against Julien Benneteau. In the midday heat Djokovic was again breathing heavy, looking exasperated, etc. Yesterday the tournament gave him a much friendlier 5pm start thus avoiding the peak heat, and now he’s featured in the late night match under the lights in what should be very comfortable conditions.

Chardy’s a decent player with a big serve and powerful groundstrokes. But Novak owns the Frenchman having won all four meetings and all in straight sets (9-0)!

They most recently met on the clay in Rome and Djokovic annihilated him 6-1, 6-1. But Chardy’s playing with some renewed confidence after knocking out in succession Marcos Baghdatis, Fernando Verdasco and Nikolay Davydenko. But he was down to Marcos in the first and Verdasco served for the match in the second.
My Pick: Djokovic in two

And if things work out accordingly, we’ll have a semifinal four featuring Nalbandian v. Nadal, Federer v. Djokovic. Oops, I probably just ruined it.

As for TV, ESPN2 is on live with Murray v. Nalbandian which is a great match. But unfortunately it looks like that’s the only TV coverage today from the Rogers Cup for American audiences which is a “pity” as Federer likes to say. Check your online listings for a live stream.

FRIDAY TORONTO SCHEDULE

CENTRE COURT start 11:00 am
[1] D Nestor (CAN) / N Zimonjic (SRB) vs F Cermak (CZE) / M Mertinak (SVK)
Not Before 1:00 PM
[4] A Murray (GBR) vs D Nalbandian (ARG)
Not Before 2:30 PM
[1] R Nadal (ESP) vs P Kohlschreiber (GER)
Not Before 7:00 PM
[7] T Berdych (CZE) vs [3] R Federer (SUI)
J Chardy (FRA) vs [2] N Djokovic (SRB)

GRANDSTAND start 4:00 pm
S Stakhovsky (UKR) / M Youzhny (RUS) vs [4] M Bhupathi (IND) / M Mirnyi (BLR)
P Kohlschreiber (GER) / G Monfils (FRA) vs [2] B Bryan (USA) / M Bryan (USA) – After Suitable Rest


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Roddick, Fish, Berdych Face Stern Tests Today in Washington
Un-Fit Rafael Nadal Withdraws From Toronto
Federer Lands in Nadal’s Half at Cincinnati; Roddick Returns

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435 Comments for Federer Gets Berdych Rematch, Murray Faces Hot Nalbandian Friday in Toronto

funches Says:

My listings show ESPN2 with four hours of coverage this afternoon, so the Nadal match will be shown, too. In fact, since his matches go on and on and on, I would expect about five hours of coverage.

Incredibly, though, the Fed-Berdych match will not be shown. Pathetic.


TD Says:

I agree – Great 2 matches today, and maybe also Djokovic-Chardy (Djokovic has the tendency to make every match “interesting”).
I hope Nalbandian will go through since he has a better chance against Nadal than Murray (it seems that Murray and Djokovic don’t believe anymore they can beat the 2 top guys when it matters). I also don’t see Federer go by Berdych in their current form, though I hope he does (he should play his dynamic and aggressive game like he played against Chela).
Anyway, it’s going to be very interesting in the semis and in the final.


madmax Says:

I love your picks Sean, and I just hope you’re right! You obviously feel confident. Your comment above:

“Neither guy comes into today’s showdown playing high level tennis. Federer’s won both matches in straight sets but he didn’t look particularly great in doing it – unless you like pink”.

Sean, I LOVE PINK! And fed stepped up his game yesterday against Llodra, it was a fabulous game, old school tactics from Llodra, almost exhibitionist in a way, with smiles from both and great shots from both too!

I like what you said about Federer’s mindset too. Whatever happened in wimbledon is past. This is a clean sheet with a refreshed, motivated Federer up for the challenge! I can’t wait!

If any of you have any problems in getting a stream, I have always found the below link brilliant for streaming matches. I watched the Novak match yesterday on this link, and it was absolutely fine.

http://www.atdhe.net


Twocents Says:

Nalby has no legs. Murray will get him.

Tomas will get Fed in 3 — Fed will say it doesn’t mean much for his USO chance — and I’ll agree :-)).

The other two matches are no brainers — no disrespect to Kohli & Chardy.


ertorque Says:

I will give the upperhand to Berdych too but I hope Fed wins!


steve Says:

Fingers crossed for Federer.


grendel Says:

” Call it arrogance or confidence but that’s the mind of a tennis champion. You put a positive mental spin on the situation and play the game.”(Sean).

That is exactly right. You don’t go to sports champions for objective accounts aimed at eliciting the truth. Truth is not their concern. Nor is lying. That is irrelevant. Their mindset is what matters to them. Truth is a disposable luxury.

However, that doesn’t mean the rest of us have to accept the spiel. Personally, I would like Federer to get 20 slams. I feel that is unlikely, but my opinion is valueless except to myself. What can be useful is to consider the evidence.

What has Federer done, since winning the AO, to suggest he has even one more slam in him? Nothing, I would suggest. What, then, apart from wishful thinking, can be said in favour of his winning even one more slam?

Obviously, it is his record. We have lately witnessed Nalbandian, approximately the same age, playing almost as well as he has ever done (the qualification “almost” because although in spurts he is certainly as good as ever, I don’t think he is quite so consistent throughout a match – he was vulnerable to Simon, Baghdatis and Ferrer because of this). Could Federer recapture, up to a point, past magic?

That’s it, nobody knows, not even the knowledgeable ones, it’s all speculation. He’s a in a different category to Nalbandian, in the sense that Nalbandian is coming off injury, is fresher and in one sense hungrier (I don’t mean for records – I mean for tennis). Federer himself has pointed out that given the amount of tennis he has played, some wear and tear on his body is inevitable. But in a way of more import is the state of his mind, and nobody knows that, maybe not himself.

We’ll just have to wait and see, a banal conclusion, but I don’t think we’ll have long to wait. We should know by the end of the US Open whether his ambition is remotely plausible – not that he has to win. But the manner in which he loses, if he does, will clear up some of the fog. lot.


i am it Says:

My hello to Tennis-X friends
,
On the one hand, undoubtedly this is a dream quarterfinal lineup (we are not missing anyone among the healthy, are we?); on the other, no one seems to be at his best form except Nalbandian. Despite on a hot streak, there is no guarantee that he is gonna live up to the hype. He is after all the same ol’ Nalby. However, he has the ability to win two big titles in a row. Recall how he won Madrid and Paris ’07, by defeating reigning No. 1 and 2 on both occasions, though you may argue that they were both Indoor, like his ’05 Masters Cup win, which he played as a reserve, similar to his last week’s DC win as a WC.

There is something else about Nalby this time, a new awakening in him, as he related the other day, that during the injury and convalescence he got into some serious thinking and concluded that he has max. 3-4 years left to add something impressive to his legacy before retirement, and this feeling is the motivating factor for the current Nalby [to produce possibly previously unseen results]. Add to this Gilbert called him the 3rd favorite right after Rafa and Roget. This is indeed a good news for tennis.

Even if some believe, probably reasonably, that the aura of invincibility has shifted to Rafa for now, this and next event remain intriguingly open in that it is hard to tell confidently who is going to prevail. We will have to wait until the conclusion of Cincy to have a sense who will be heading into the US Open as a top favorite. As for the US Open, Rafa must be feeling that this could be his best opportunity, similar to Federer’s French ’09 run, not that other chances won’t come in the future.

As for today, Federer-Bird and Murray-Nalby matches are obviously more unpredictable than the other two, so obviously they will attract more curiosity. If they are going to be straight setters, like Sean predicts, I will be disappointed, but I am hopeful that they will go the distance. To jump ahead, we may get another Rafa-Djokovic final, but Federer-Nalby or any other combination is equally possible.

For those who live in the US, first 3 quarterfinals will be streamed on ESPN3, i.e. except Djoko-Chardy, starting at 1:00 PM (ET).


Fedend Says:

Federer has proclaimed that he is back to his full fitness and feeling great.
So if he loses again today to Berdy it would clearly prove that Fed’s injury claims after his Wimby defeat were not true.


GDSNAB Says:

Federer and Berdych state remind me the situation between him and Murray, when Murray beats Roger 4 consecutive time. So I hope Roger will pass Berdych test and win the tournament.


Nina Says:

I love Murray but he’s not playing particularly well and I’d like to see a happy ending to this Cinderella story with Nalbandian. David deserves to win this tournament the way he’s been playing and that might boost his confidence and make him a threat again. He’s Top 5 material, it’s a shame the guy is so inconsistent, but he’s a fans favorite, so all good for the game. I think Nadal and Djoko will go through easily, Berdych might upset Federer again and maybe we have a Djoko-Nadal final, who knows. A girl can only hope.


Fot Says:

I hope Roger wins althought I, too, am upset that no Television coverage of this match! That makes me so mad!!!!!!


madmax Says:

grendel.

“What has Federer done, since winning the AO, to suggest he has even one more slam in him? Nothing, I would suggest”.

well, grendel, I hasten to add – he has done something he hasn’t done before. Made an admission to himself and put out a statement to his fans. He got himself a coach – That does not equate to “nothing”, as you would suggest.

Seems to me that there are plenty of people here who don’t want to believe that federer can still compete at the top – I’m glad I don’t even remotely think in the same way.

Fedend, your post is getting repetitive. We hear you. You think that federer is making excuses about his back. you’ve posted it on all three threads. Why would he lie about something like that? It is unusual for him to ever say anything about his physical ailments. In fact, I think you’ll find, despite him playing what? over a 1000 matches, he has mentioned this once in an interview – pretty amazing really –

and if as you say berdych does beat him tonight (as you would wish), then it will be because berdych prepared better and played better than him today.

But that’t not going to happen. Sorry to disappoint you.


TD Says:

“the mind of a tennis champion” – pay attention to Nadal, he is following Federer footsteps in more than one way. He started with winning slams, then with all the professional attitude, then shortening his calender and now he even sounds like him. He is always sure of himself saying he is playing good tennis. For example, after losing to Lopez in Queens he said “I think I played for moments very good tennis, I feel I am playing well, so that is positive. If you can play more, better, but hopefully it will be enough for me. My feeling was not bad today.”
Sooner or later we are going to hear him say before a slam “Obviously, I can win it”, just like Federer.


Duro Says:

My utmost respect and a worm welcome to i am it, after such a long period of time of an unforced exile from the tennis community and this dysfunctional site. Welcome back master mind of tennis statistics and devoted fan of Juan Martin Del Potro Loco and Novak The Joker Djokovic.


Fedend Says:

Madmax,
I agree with you that the one who is better prepared and who plays better on that day wins it.
My only point is that bringing up an injury excuse even if it is true is not fair. Almost every one on tour plays with some injuries at some point of time.
A win is a win and a loss is a loss, there should not be any excuses.
I hope Fed becomes man enough and let his racket do the talking as he was doing his prime.
But that is unlikely, he now knows that he is on a decline and he needs his big mouth to keep his sponsors and fans happy.


jane Says:

Hi i am it; long time no see. Hope you are well and that you get to see some of these QF matches today. Cheers!


grendel Says:

i am it

I feel if Nadal gets to the final, then he wins if it’s Fed or the Byrd he faces. If it’s Djokovic, and weather’s not too hot – 50-50.
In semi, Nalbandian to beat Nadal or Nadal to beat Murray. In approx ten minutes time, if Nalby can continue in same vein – he wins Murray; any slackening, Murray goes thru. (I have Nalby beating Nadal because if he makes it to semi, the prospect of beating Nadal will vanquish any physical/mental tiredness).


grendel Says:

madmax – I meant what has Fed done on the court. Whether the acquisition of Annacone as coach is a positive is unknown for the time being.


grendel Says:

p.s. If Murray or Nalby get to the final, they win if Fed or Byrd. 50-50 if Djoko.


jane Says:

grendel are you being facetious with all this 50-50 Djoko business? I just am hoping he’ll get by Chardy first; he played well versus Hanescu last night but Chardy is on a bit of a roll and has taken out three quality opponents in a row.. After that, I don’t have a clue. Too many ifs. The only “quite sure” prediction for me is that Rafa will beat Kohls.

Murray vs. Nalby now – I want Murray to win to defend his points but I will of course be happy for Nalby. Both Murray and Nalby on hard court will be a very interesting semi-final match up with Rafa.


sar Says:

Hi I am it
Glad you are back.


jane Says:

No intended allusion to Sean’s article title, but I do wonder if the afternoon heat will favour Murray?


contador Says:

grendel, you are the bomb. that’s my opinion. i love your posts and reasoning.

i know federer says he loves tennis, is a “tennis freak” and i believe him. whether that translates into more slams gets me to the “banal” conclusion, “we’ll see.”

personally i think it’s fun to see. it also puts me on edge about his match today : ) i like some tension and think it’s lacking in many match-ups.

in cycling gamesmanship is expected in different forms. a common ploy is making your opponent think you are not up to the task by acting distressed, then you pass him like he’s going backwards. (wily contador struck again and won his third TDF)

if berdych wins today, one might even suppose he did it sorta injured. there was an injury rumor about him at legg mason and more recently the mto while in process of beating dolgo. whereas, federer is saying he is 100% fine going into their match.

tennis would not be as much fun without the drama.

federer and murray should have tough matches today.

nadal and nole should be easy no brainer matches.

“we’ll see” mayne, if my version of ESPN2 would ever get done with little league baseball and air the tennis as they have programmed.

forcing me to go to stream…


margot Says:

I am It! Welcome back! Nice ter c u!
jane: looked as if Djko gave you no misery last night? And should beat the divine Mr C. with no probs. As for Andy and Namby, well heart says Andy, head says Namby. :)
grendel: so you’re a “grumpy old man” with no sense of humour are you? Yeh, right ;)BTW don’t agree with you re Monfils, think he’s all show-business. Goodall was quite critical last night, said it was difficult for Andy to concentrate with all “that” going on and indeed Andy said exactly that in interview, but criticised himself, not Monfils. As two cents says, he too damn nice sometimes! Speaking of which-
Two cents: I think you’re the most sensible, calm poster out, you’re so laid back, why you’re horizontal. But as you say the Fed has given you so much pleasure over the past years, whatever will follow is just pure bonus. Whereas Andy has given mostly torment…:(


contador Says:

s/b maybe not mayne….


i am it Says:

Jane, Duro, Grendel, Mad-English-Never-To-be-Maxed out Woman,
Yes, I am watching right now and will catch some later in the evening. Reading you guys gets me pumped up about tennis once again. Thank you for keeping the excitement in tennis alive.
Talk to you soon,


i am it Says:

Hey Margot, How have you been? Your yards must be looking great at this time of year with flowers, fruits, and produce, right?


jane Says:

lol, funny post margot -this match between Nalby and Murray has me jittery. Or it’s the coffee perchance? I totally agree about that Tall Texan Twocents. I picture him supine, chewing on some wheat, while posting his perfectly pleasant, positive and calm comments and mini screenplays on some kind of Mac that you can use upside down. He sweeps in and then saunters out on his white horse. Gotta love it. And agree, grendel is most definitely funny ha ha.


i am it Says:

Hey Sar !
Always pleasure to see old friends.


Ben Pronin Says:

Just 3 games in and I love what I’m seeing from Murray. He’s focused and he’s expecting Nalbandian to play well. Aggressive off the forehand, inside the baseline on 2nd serve returns, looks like we’re in for a great match.


margot Says:

At least Andy wont be served a bagel or a breadstick …in the first set anyway…
jane: you know Andy is SO talented, why isn’t he just dominating the world??


jane Says:

margot, I seriously do not know. Maybe it’s that stubborn streak? Girl troubles? Too much play station? Erm, have no idea. – _ -

Nalby can’t be discounted even if he loses this set because he did the same versus Soda, lost 6-2, then came back to win the match. So no walkabouts allowed from Andy if he wants to come through.


madmax Says:

I AM IT! yo baby! yes. It’s great to see you back! I dont care much for the negativity, ever.
I hope you stay a while! (and thanks for the new name, I love it!).

As for the excuses about injury contador and grendel, it makes me wonder that you just think Federer is the only one who has ever said anything about his back? How many times have you ever heard him mention it – let me think? once perhaps this year? in a career spanning 12. give me a break.

Go read and hear the comments from others about knees, legs, arms, elbows, wrists,breathing and whatever else takes your fancy.

If federer doesn’t do it for you in terms of his play, that’s fine. But the man is trying to get better and is still motivated, so leave him alone.

Jane and Margot, wishing you both good luck tonight with your Andy. It’s 3:1 about to be 3:2, so at least he has the break and he seems a lot more determined about playing it “his” way today!

Come on Andy!


margot Says:

I am it: Yard! What yard! A yard is a small space but my garden is beautiful, thanks!


i am it Says:

Duro, I have to catch up with a lot of missed tennis and stats to get back into the old form. I am rusty right now. You are too sweet.

Jane, has the jitter exited yet with Murray’s early break and determined-to-win positive attitude, and Gilbert is leaning toward you? Good.


jane Says:

Murray holding Nalby at bay thus far; Nalby played a great point at the net to earn a break point though. He’s good up there. Still Murray is in the driver’s seat – being a dictator today!


Ben Pronin Says:

This is just awesome. This is AO Murray.


jane Says:

Error after error from Nalby, who can’t seem to clear the net. This set is in the bag for Andy M I suspect.


Skeezerweezer Says:

Wow, can Andy continue to stop the hot Nalby? Nice showing so far Andy :)


margot Says:

jane: Andy’s playing so well, I feel sick! A touch of the Madmax’s here!
Pleeeeese don’t crumble Andy! Just FOCUS!


jane Says:

Yes margot – he MUST not go away to la-la-land, but play a similar second set, and then he will make it look SO EASY!! At this rate, he’s got an excellent shot of defending his title, imo.


Ben Pronin Says:

With all this talk about how tremendously talented Nalbandian is, seems like people forget the talent that Murray has. Looks like Murray’s trying to remind everyone just that.


i am it Says:

Murray is surprising Nalby with his rare go-for-it play, and sadly the Argentine looks clueless. If Nalby does not find a way to respond in the 2nd set, much to my disappointment, it could be a quick job.


Ben Pronin Says:

Nalbandian only won 17% of second serve points!!! Pretty good indication of just how aggressive and well Murray is playing.


Ben Pronin Says:

A couple of ridiculous rallies to start the second set ending with 2 errors from Nalby. Perhaps the fatigue is setting in?


Skeezerweezer Says:

@BP,

Yes and he doing a good job at it :). I keep hoping the Murray’s, Nole’s, etc will come through and make runs at the top….

Still have to admire the talent of Nalby though….too bad he hasn’t been the most consistent guy, part not his fault, but he has these streaks of Tennis play that are unreal…


jane Says:

Nalby has been on quite the run Ben; maybe it is catching up with him. But it is a combination of the two of them, either way, as Murray is playing excellently, while Nalby is just piling up the errors.


Ben Pronin Says:

I’ve been rooting for Murray-Djokovic finals for quite some time now. At least as far back as this year’s AO. The two are tremendously talented and they haven’t played in about 18 months now.


madmax Says:

margot/jane, you should be pleased. It is about time that murray started taking control in a match – for a change – am pleased for you.

would like nalby to get a set though, (I know you won’t like hearing me say that MJ, it’s just that he has worked so hard…


Sean Randall Says:

David is looking flat. Murray is taking it to him.

Nalbandian can be such a tease at times!


contador Says:

yeah, look like my man nalby has hit the wall, the brick wall of andy murray.

nalbandian is so good at changing directions but that’s not a problem for muzza.

i guess muzza is up for playing rafa, after all. good for him.

nalby : (


i am it Says:

Having to surrender his service game early in the 2nd, Nalby looks finished. Murray is cruising. Ben, you are right, this reminds us Murray of the Australian Open (or Nalby is playing just not good enough?)


Sean Randall Says:

ESPN3.com will show both matches tonight.

Baseball was on at 1pm on ESPN2 but I was able to see the start of the match on ESPN3.com. It’s pretty cool.


jane Says:

Funny – with all the hype about this match as well as the one between Fed and Berdy, they’ll probably be easy straight setters, and by contrast, Nole’s and Rafa’s matches will go the distance. Maybe the unexpected does happen. Er, especially with Nalby. LOL. The commentators sure love Andy M. Nothing but glowing praise today!


Ben Pronin Says:

I’m not saying Nalbandian doesn’t deserve praise for his talent, but it’s almost funny. I’d much rather see Murray, Djokovic, and now Berdych realize and flaunt their talent and potential because at least they’re generally consistent. Last time Nalbandian had a hot streak was 3 years ago.

That said, Nalbandian pushing Murray this game but Murray still coming up with the goods.


jane Says:

Of course, this is also to be expected from Nalby; it’s not like we’d expect him to suddenly start winning with regularity.


Kimberly Says:

Go Murray! Keep my bracket alive!

Was very nervous about this match!


margot Says:

Ben: love your comments at the mo! But still cannot believe this Andy Murray! Yes, it would be lovely for Djko and Andy to start believing.


contador Says:

nalbandian can’t his the lines and angles he was last week and…

c’mon, get a first serve over the net!


contador Says:

“kaiser” won’t be happy, hey kimberly?

i’m in the same boat with your husband, almost.


jane Says:

When Murray plays well, he makes it look effortless. But also, what has happened to Nalby today?


contador Says:

so. nalbandian gets to go get some rest before US Open. i hope he skips cincy.

murray is strong today.


Ben Pronin Says:

Awesome match on Murray’s end. That was just great.


madmax Says:

Yippee to margot and jane! Your boy did it!

But oh. Nalby. I just love him. He looked dejected at the end. He reminds me of a big bear. But he did himself proud, didn’t he?

But how good was murray today? How long has it taken for him to bring his best tennis? He showed why he can be a contender for the trophy, but today is Andy’s day.

Congrats to murray fans.


jane Says:

Well, congrats to Andy M. That was a piece of cake!!!


contador Says:

congrats to murray’s big fans

i shouldn’t have picked against him.

kimmi, kimberly – i s*&^k!


i am it Says:

Quick job it was. Hoping 3 sets but did not get.
Congrats to Murray and his fans.
Next, he has to surmount Rafa’s Everest. He can do it if he plays like he did today. So, Ben’s long awaited Murray-Djoko final could finally materialize now?


Leo Says:

David didn’t play badly by any means, he didn’t lower his level.
Murray was just flawless.
Good doesn’t cut it, neither does great, Murray was flawless, he had Federer’s footing and style and Rafa’s defense. And while he made David look bad, reality was different. The match was excellent between two great strategists, even though Murray was visibly superior.


margot Says:

jane: how good was that? Andy I love you! I think kimmi must be at work, what a shame she would’ve loved this Andy!
Wonder if you are going to be right and Fed will be an easy 2, while the others..? Anyway, I think Djko is a night match, so I’ll be cheering in my sleep! Not bedtime quite yet though, so will now very calmly watch Rafa!


margot Says:

Leo: now love you too! Yay! The world is a very rosy place tonight!


Kimberly Says:

Yay Murray!!!

Kimberli25 is actually on the leaderboard (at least temporarily) But another guy in my tennis club dcsrour is right there next to me.


contador Says:

great picking kimberly! i am really impessed with your early round choices.

will muzza trouble rafa?


Ben Pronin Says:

Leo’s right, Murray played at the level that Federer and Nadal have made the requirement. The difference between Nalby and Murray was Murray’s ability to transition from defense to offense real quick and Nalby’s lack of ability to do the same. This all around play was employed by Federer to dominate the field and is now done by Nadal (perhaps to an even greater extent).


jane Says:

margot, that was Classic Andy M!! Love when our guys play well, like they should! : )


Kimberly Says:

I think Murray can win the tournament. Will he is a different story. If he plays like today yes. If he goes walk about like yesterday, no way. Not with the field that is remaining. Unless he plays Kohlschreiber, Chardy in his next two matches but that seems pretty unlikely. SO he can win. But he needs to earn it.


jane Says:

I would say that Nalby wasn’t at his best today; he was good, though, but Andy’s level and focus kept David totally at bay. Nalby did make quite a few lame errors. I can never tell if these are forced or not.


madmax Says:

I don’t think anyone is giving Kohls a chance tonight, so may the best man on the day win.

I wonder if Murray will be watching from the locker room?

At least he has a few hours now to be able to put a plan into action for tomorrow.

Hope Kohls makes a match of it.


margot Says:

kimberly: I totally agree with you, but the exciting thing for Andy fans is that this is the old Andy from the AO and he’s back just at the right time.
jane: apparently Judy was out yesterday watching Nalby’s match in order to “coach” Andy. Bet she’s in the crowd now.


jane Says:

Well then, Judy done good, margot! The way Andy M came out today was all business; he never once dropped level or concentration; that is a VERY good sign. This Andy M, the one we saw today, can for sure defend his title.


contador Says:

well i am not down but not beaten, kimberly.

waiting for cincy brackets to open : )

i think the true test for murray being back is beating rafa and or roger.


jane Says:

Oh lord, PK starts with a break over Rafa; it’s going to be one of those “opposite” days. Did Sean set this in motion? I hope it has worn off by the time Djok takes the court … ; )


margot Says:

jane: my thoughts exactly! Kohli isn’t going to make a match of it is he??? Or will he just make Rafa vwy, vewy cross…?


Kimberly Says:

wake up Rafa!!!!


Dari Says:

rafa looked pissed that last game, but kohls is killing the serve!


madmax Says:

we might just have a match with kohls, but I don’t think it will last long.


grendel Says:

Leo, I can’t agree Nalbandian didn’t lower his level. Many, many UE’s – especially dumping in the net, but also the accuracy in going for the lines – so evident over last week – just not there.

That said, Murray today was spectacular, and might even have beaten a Nalbandian firing on all cylinders. jane says if he plays like this, he can defend his title. I’d go further, if he can serve like he did today, he can win the Open. I think he had 65% first serve – which I gather is very high for him, Peter Fleming was advancing the theory (above my head – but it may be of interest to others) that the flat trajectory of Murray’s serve has the effect of making consistency difficult. Let’s hope he can keep his consistency for the US Open. It’s not that I want him to win, though I won’t mind, but I want him to play at his best, so if anyone beats him, they have done so deservedly. I honestly think if Murray plays like today, it will be him who ruins Nadal’s dream. I doubt if anyone else can.

margot – Monfils is a complex character, and maybe annoying to some, but I think he has it in him to win the French, and not just because it’s home territory.

madmax – I said nothing about Federer and injury.

jane – you might be interested to know what Fleming said about McEnroe, via Murray as it were. Marcus whatsit had asked Fleming what he thought of Murray without a coach, might it actually be a good thing, in the sense of encouraging him to take responsibility for himself. Fleming agreed, so Marcus brought up McEnroe, who was essentially coachless during his great years. Fleming made what will seem to some people the counterintuitive remark that McEnroe was extremely mature from a very young age. Naturally Marcus queried about the brat behaviour etc, and Fleming leaned back in that way he has, and nodded knowingly. He said McEnroe could switch the tantrums on and off at will – not because he was pretending, but because he was a genuine Jeckyll and Hyde character. Once the brouhah was concluded, everyone – including his opponent – would still have their minds full of the incident, whilst McEnroe would have turned his attention exclusively to tennis. These sort of scenarios, Fleming added with a twinkle, tended to favour McEnroe.

But: interesting idea, a coachless Murray will be obliged to take control, and be all the stronger for that.


madmax Says:

margot, to let you know that Judy WAS in the crowd watching Andy. Camera angle on her for a split second at the start.


Twocents Says:

There, you jinxed Nalby, Sean.

It’s fast court, i.e., youth court. Sorry, old guns.

margot and jane, thanks for the props, and for bearing with a non-commiting poster. BTW, I prefer barley to wheat, and black horse. LOL.

Yeah. Being a Fed fan is one of the easiest things in life.


Ben Pronin Says:

The American commentators were speculating the same idea, Grendel. The question they asked each other was whether he made the decision himself to come out and play aggressively against Nalbandian. One of them mentioned Murray’s mom, Judy. Surely he talked to her a little, and that could help, too. Parent-offspring coaching relationships aren’t always ideal, but perhaps talking to his mom instead of a pro coach could take some pressure off Murray. He doesn’t have to worry about the professionalism of the situation, it’s just him and his mom sharing ideas. Some motherly support could do a world of wonders for a young guy.


madmax Says:

grendel, your post. 11.47am.

“Federer himself has pointed out that given the amount of tennis he has played, some wear and tear on his body”.

apologies if this was not you? It could have been fedend.

This seems like a match hotting up!

Will see if Kohls can keep his head.


contador Says:

one of the commentators pointed out that kohls gave rafa a hard time at the AO last year and the next match rafa retired ( v muzza )

rafa will come around. fed had a similar score with llordra 1 set


jane Says:

grendel, I can actually see that with Mac; he did have a maturity about him. The coachless thing with Murray might work too. Maybe he should go it a while and see? It’s worked for Fed all these years.


margot Says:

madmax: no, Judy is “scouting” so she should be watching this match, that’s the point I was making.
grendel: to win a slam you have to play 7 tough matches, there is no east rout. Also Nalbandian’s serve has been flaky all week, today it mattered.
two cents :)


Twocents Says:

“a coachless Murray will be obliged to take control, and be all the stronger for that.”

Spot on, grendel. Some friend told me this week that Fed thought Murray could go solo –something I’ve been saying for a while. Both Fed and Murray are stubborn heads. Takes one to know one.


Ben Pronin Says:

Nadal playing fairly average, Kohls playing particularly well. One thing I like is how Kohl seems to be ignoring the fact that it’s Rafa on the other side of the court.


contador Says:

hm. all wrong

some of thought murray / nalby would be a nail-biter

this one is going to go 3!! ( i think )

rafa will win.


Dari Says:

We’ll see how long PK can hang with/ rise above rafael. I have always liked watching PK, so I hope the best for him. PK serving great and being very aggressive, hitting great spots! Rafa can’t keep balls in, so strange. We know what rafa likes to do though…
Its nice to see PK give him a match!


margot Says:

And kohli takes the first set! What’s that wonderful line from somewhere about the world being turned on its head?!
re Andy and coach, perhaps there has been a fair amount of tension in the camp for a long time. If so this would not have done Andy any favours.


Dari Says:

Glad to hear tonight’s matches will be on espn3. Im actually watching the PK/rafael match now, and it is great quality!


Twocents Says:

Ben Pronin,

But Murray is no longer that wide-eyed young boy. He’s out-grown it. In fact, I kind of blame his too-nice heart partially on his lacking of big father figure. All due respect to Judy Murray for bringing up a superb talent. The cub needs to find his own way in the jungle.


jane Says:

I am starting to doubt contador; I was “quite sure” earlier that Rafa would win; it’s the only match I’d attempt to predict in fact. Now I don’t know. This PK is a special K. As Ben says, Rafa doesn’t look his usual inimitable self thus far… But it is early goings in this second set; let’s see.


Leo Says:

The way I see it, Nalbandian despaired a bit over the end and tried some risky shots, missing the lines by centimeters while trying to find Andy’s weak spots. I guess he should have noticed that he wasn’t playing badly and shouldn’t force himself like that.
Andy is another kind of player I think. He has the talent as well, but he is fully dedicated to the sport and it shows. He has a lot of style and a very tactical tennis, and even in the times he loses his game is wonderful to see. Reminds me to Agassi. A truly great player.
On other completely unrelated news, man, Kohl is playing well, but is that how the ATP number 1 defends himself, Rafa?


Dari Says:

I never noticed a too-nice heart with andy, never thought about it…
geeze louise rafa went right behind him! what a shot


contador Says:

the comments were that this is what happened before. PK has taken first set and rafa comes back to win.

obviously it’s a match-up to bother rafa but the momentum is shifting 2-0 rafa. kohls has no chance


jane Says:

Ahh … Rafa’s back?


contador Says:

it’s very nice to actually sit back and watch a match on tv live, instead of a shaky live stream or dvr’d.

i like rafa’s hot pink on him. not liking the pastel pink on federer

as if shirts matter.


margot Says:

Yeh. Normal service just resumed!


Dari Says:

contador, the guys on espn 3, killer, gilbert and other espn guy spent a few minutes talking about shirts, dont feel too bad. that was a good service game for PK again, i wish he would come back so that if rafa wins its about a super match, and not just kohls going away.


Leo Says:

Someone should gift Nadal MC Hammer pants. Anything but those transparent shorts that stick on his ass.

He never learned to clothe himself.


contador Says:

yeah dari. the one time i am actually able to watch tennis on tv i hope for a couple 3 setters!

with both players fit and fighting. i think kohls is pretty unbelievably good considering his size and weight.

rafa making him look not so special atm.

bagel or breadstick decider : (


contador Says:

very funny Leo….

on the live stream ‘chat ango’ the popular opinion in over 12 languages is that rafa should wear um…nothing LOL


Dari Says:

rafa = mad panty lines!


madmax Says:

let’s hope at least the third set is a competitive one.


contador Says:

ha..

it’s thin material. the white shorts are not good for panty lines or handmarks in a certain area.

at least PK avoided the bagel.

but rafa is not happy, he’s pressing kohls serve.

rafa caught the line!


contador Says:

deuce


jane Says:

Carzy angle on that last shot from Rafa – to give him break point. But PK has been serving very consistently and playing aggressively. Oops double fault – another bp for Rafa.


contador Says:

break point for rafa

oh rafa


jane Says:

PK reminds me a bit of the old Soderling or Berdych; he has a lot of talent, flair, variety, but he lacks something – often loses the tough battles. But he always looms as a potential upsetter, the way Berdy and Soda used to do before they each broke through and began to be real contenders, getting to the very late stages of slams. PK can cause the upset, but then he goes flat the next match.


contador Says:

battle at deuce


contador Says:

nice if he’d be the next davydenko


contador Says:

ohhhhhh fine hold


jane Says:

Very crucial hold, as commentator said. If Rafa broke there, for sure that would be it.


Dari Says:

that sure was close to a heart attack for a hold. if PK can keep up this kinda fight, thats a good sign for him. rafa definately had some some poor shots on his end, but PK held on.


margot Says:

Well Kohli obviously believes he can win, but does anyone on here believe it? That’s the trouble with rafa, he’s in all our heads…


contador Says:

down the line winner! PK

great decider so far. 30-30 on rafa’s serve


Dari Says:

i know not everyone can appreciate brad gilbert’s commentary, but he makes me laugh and has many fine points!


Dari Says:

ooohh, margot, good point. PK CAN WIN! we ought not doubt everyone who plays rafa!


contador Says:

BG jabberwacky. he’s a goof

whell. good game that one. kools is fighting!

fun stuff


contador Says:

kools held there. i can’t imagine him winning though


jane Says:

Nadal just hasn’t looked consistent this event; very up and down.


tennisfansince76 Says:

re: contador

I can imagine it. I can also imagine having an affair w/ Gwyneth Paltrow. neither is likely to actually manifest in the real world however


contador Says:

hahhaha tennis76

good one.


jane Says:

margot, I think PK can win. Yes. It looks like it today. We’ll see. But I would not rule out the possibility right now. Is this good for Murray, if it’s PK not Rafa?


contador Says:

big big chance for kools

bp


contador Says:

shockingly bad unforeced error form PK

chance is gone


tennisfansince76 Says:

the door opens. the door closes.


margot Says:

oooh, Kohli really let Rafa off the hook in this game, Rafa was putting the ball really short and Kohli’s bh letting him down, usually his best shot…


contador Says:

rafa going for the kill with kools serve

30-0 rafa


jane Says:

PK is really warming Rafa up. He has been pushing him hard, controlling the flow. But it feels a little like Rafa is going up a gear.

This may be it.


contador Says:

arrrrgh

window slammed shut kohls


jane Says:

tennisfansince76 “the door opens. the door closes.” Ah yeah. That about sums it up I think.

margot, i checked and Murray is 0-1 versus PK, so not sure who would be a better opponent for Andy next round.


Leo Says:

Way to waste the chance of your life.


contador Says:

yeah, i don’t see this match as necessarily a good sign for murray.


jane Says:

PK and Monfils still alive in the doubles; he has to play again later, after a “suitable rest.”


contador Says:

nadal makes that face, the one where he pulls the corner of his mouth up with a nostril and it’s over. he smells victory


jane Says:

contador, Well this Rafa, the one of the last few games, is a tough one for Murray. But the earlier one Murray could beat. I guess it depends on their day form. If they are both at their best, it will be juicy!


jane Says:

It may come down to who returns the second serves better as both Rafa and Murray can dominate in that area.


contador Says:

big big test for muzza. at least


contador Says:

might as well go for broke kool


contador Says:

bummer. no federer coverage on espn2 . nothing but live stream for the evening matches

good job kohls. he held.

let’s go kohls!


madmax Says:

Kohls got nothing to lose now. He should feel proud of the way he has played so far.

Rafa will come good in the end. Some of his shots have been incredible, but equally Kohls has had a few of his own.

Been a great match overall.

Will Rafa hold?


Kimberly Says:

GO RAFA!!!


madmax Says:

3 Match points rafa.


contador Says:

yeah great effort on kohls part to make 4 games in the decider.


madmax Says:

great match. loved it.

congrats rafa fans.

also kohls did brilliant. well played.


jane Says:

Rafa prevails – but Kohls made it hard. The commentator says the only difference was that Kohl’s serve and backhand deserted him in the 3rd set. I don’t agree. It was clear Nadal also kicked it up a level, and also, his mental strength is just way better.


contador Says:

murray has a huge task. nice to see muzza play so well. bring all the aplomb you can muster and be aggressive, muzza


madmax Says:

well, where are all the federer fans tonight? Gannu? Huh? Kimmi? Skeezer? I guess Jane and Margot you will be in bed?

Just really hope that Federer comes through! C’moon Federer, be the best that you can be!

WOW, feeling sick already Margot. It’s not on until midnight. Got to wait another 2 hours!


Kimberly Says:

I am a Rafa fan and while I’m not thrilled about the last 3 matches I am happy he is getting matches in and HC match practice for the USO. My husband picked against him in the draw challenge 1. because he can’t stand him 2. because even though he thinks he is the best player he thought he would be rusty. I felt that he would play into the tournament, kind of as he did at Wimby, where the first few rounds, so-so and then amps it up in the final rounds.

Excited to see tomorrows match. Go Rafa!


madmax Says:

Sean,

I hope you get your prediction right tonight!


contador Says:

i don’t trust berdych. he’s on my blacklist in a dog eared book.


contador Says:

i found your husband kimberly.


Kimberly Says:

Now for tonight….

My draw challenge Fed and Nole

My pick today, Fed and Nole

And easy too.


jane Says:

madmax, I’ll be around to watch Fed and Berdy later (they don’t play for a couple of hours do they?) and then I’ll likely be watching Djoko alone. Unless contador keeps me company, or Kimmi.

Kimberly are you the same as kimberly with a small “k” or do we have two Kimberlys? I am confused. : )


Kimberly Says:

Maybe there are two?

COntador–Is Kaiser bombing???—Kimberli25 was on the leaderboard earlier–but so was someone else in my tennis club


tennisfansince76 Says:

if there is any surface Murray can take Nadal out on it is here on HC.


margot Says:

Just shows you don’t get many chances against Rafa and you have to take them while you can, as Andy found to his cost at Wimbledon and I hope he learnt from that.
jane: this Rafa not quite so awesome, but Andy must serve 65% and be on fire with his bh and if yes to those two, then we’ll have a match! Doug Adler was backing Andy tonight so let’s see who he backs tomorrow! I love the gorgeous Mr C but all fingers and toes crossed for Djkovich tonight!
Yes, madmax, I’ll be asleep but do hope Fed gets his revenge.


contador Says:

really? fed and nole?

just like that. seems nole stands a better chance in toronto than the swelter in cincy.

i see the kaiser picke djoko to win here.

i was thinking of picking muzza to win in cincy.

brad gilbert, a true murray fan, is picking murray over rafa tomorrow.

draw comes out for cincy 9 pm et, right?


madmax Says:

Jane,

I have the match on record, in case I fall asleep – too many late nights for me this week, my right eye is flicking rapidly – does that when I get tired.

I desperately want to stay up and watch the match. Usually around this time, I watch Grey’s Anatomy. I just love that programme. I love the Meredith/Derek, will they/won’t they. I hope he dumps Rose for Meredith (that’s horrible isn’t it?), but they are meant to be together – Meredith and Derek! (I don’t watch the next season on Iplayer, as it spoils the fun/mystery). I see it’s not on though tonight, it’s Law and Order. I digress.

Should I not be able to keep my eyes open, then I will be relying on you Jane, to give me a running commentary throughout saturday morning. And send my very best wishes and love to Federer won’t you?

God, that man had better have his pink T-shirt washed at 30 degrees tonight!

C’moon Fed!


sar Says:

Brad Gilber picked Murray to beat Nadal tomorrow.

Are they showing Djok on ESPN or TC tonight? I thought I heard Gilbert say NO.


madmax Says:

good luck to all nole fans, sar, jane, margot, duro too.


contador Says:

the kaiser’s ship is sinking and i am on it!


contador Says:

pretty sure the kaiser draw i looked at is your kaiser, the only one of ten or so kaisers that were bracket picking in toronto.

kaiser013… a bunch of numbers


jane Says:

Will post what I can madmax, and keep fingers crossed for a Fed vs. Nole semi. Berdy took out both of them at Wimbledon, so it should be their turn now. : )


jane Says:

margot, i believe if Murray has the right approach he can take out Rafa; memories of their match at the AO abound. That’s the kind of tennis I am hoping to see.


contador Says:

jane i forget to use caps sorry. Kimberly is kimberli25 on the leaderboard! atp toronto draw challenge star, no less.

so jealous


margot Says:

conty, sar: did not realise Gilbert was a Murray fan, their coaching relationship was fairly acrimonious, I seem to remember.
grendel: I’ve read that about Andy’s serve, apparently it hugs the top of the net, quite flat so the tension in the net can effect whether it’s a let or not. Apparently also, tensions, in nets of course, can vary between tournaments, now stop laughing you lot I am NOT making this up…I seem to remember Andy kicking off somewhere or other because of this and he was losing a load of first serves. Promise I’m not making this up!
Also you and two cents were talking about Andy being more “grown up” without a coach and he’s just said more or less the same thing himself.
Good night all, njoy the rest of the tennis.


Kimberly Says:

You have the right kaiser, i think. he picked djoko to win against nalby in the final and nadal to lose to cilic in the quarters.

he beat me 6-0, 6-0 on the tennis court last night so at least I need the draw challenge to restore my pride.

Cincy picks tonight. Hmmm. I wonder if anyone has any update on Roddick’s condition. If Nadal wins tomorrow I’m worried he might withdraw to protect the knees. But maybe not. Johnny Mac was saying in Wimby he thought Nadal would only play one HC tourney prior to USO this summer. But I think he will play. I’ll prob do a rough draw when it opens and then revise up to the last minute when the qualifiers fill in.


madmax Says:

Jane/Margot, remember how andy played against rafa at the USO 2008 SF. He needs to bring that aggression and belief tomorrow, if he is going to win. Pretty much similar today in the way that he beat Nalby. This is the Murray who was on fire today, needs to make sure that the glow is still burning for tomorrow. If he believes, he gives himself a chance.

Rafa’s aura is intact right now, but look how Kohls played in the first set. He rated himself and gave himself that chance. He just let it go towards the end.


jane Says:

Kimberly, even though people doubt Rafa’s HC abilities, he usually does quite well at Cincy. He and Djok have met in the semis there for two years running, with Djok getting to two finals, first being beat by Murray, then by Fed last year. Djoko’s a bridesmaid too much lately. Both Murray and Djoko are short on titles this year. : (


jane Says:

contador, no I wasn’t meaning you. At tennis X, there is a Kimberly who logs on with no caps as “kimberly” and then there is this challenge star, capital letter “Kimberly”. So I think (?) there must be two.


Kimberly Says:

Jane—I think if Rafa plays Cincy he’ll play well. Prob better than here because some of the rust should be shaken. I’m worried for my cincy draw challenge that if he goes to the final in Toronto he will withdraw from Cincy at the 11th hour to protect his knees for the USO and i’ll be stuck in the draw challenge with a lucky loser as either a winner, finalist, or semi-finalist.

Like I got hosed with Matheu standing in place for Roddick (and even worse, Oscar Hernandez in place for Roddick at Madrid)


Kimberly Says:

going to work out be back for the Fed match to hear updates, since of course, I can’t actually watch it.


jane Says:

He’s never one to pull out at the last minute though Kimberly. I remember him retiring once, not feeling well, at Cincy, but he seems to always play both Canada and Cincy. I’d be surprised if he pulled out, even if he does win Canada.


contador Says:

margot, all i know is that BG can’t seem to get enough of murray. talk about a man- crush! he’s very certain muzza will beat rafa tomorrow and why.

Kimberly. you let him win, right? : )

i was thinking about not picking rafa in cincy for the very reason: a good plan would be to skip cincy.

i’m sure it depends on a lot of things we don’t know. but wouldn’t it make sense for rafa to skip cincy, especially if he
wins toronto?


contador Says:

jane-

you can sign into the draw challenge and not play. but really, if you do play, hey you can’t do worse than i have this tournament and in madrid. it’s just for fun. ( this year ) next year is game on for me. im having a prize!

rafa had to retire at AO. i think this is a different rafa. his knees are top priority and wouldn’t hesitate to pull out and save himself for the big objective, US Open.

i’m curious to see who will actually play in cincy. seems many are on the injured list. i heard simon will have to skip US Open ( french rumor from the chat board) and there are others.

which means nalbandian has a shot at being seeded, doesn’t it? (for us open) hoping


jane Says:

That’s awful if the rumour about Simon is true contador; just when it seemed he was coming around again. You may be right about Rafa having different objectives than in the past.


Kimmi Says:

contador – :( sorry for nalby loss, but it is not over yet.

happy of muzza though..sad for nalby. i think he ran outta gas. The scoreline is too loopsided for him.

YAY! for my bracket. even if i picked nadal, i hope muzza continue his super form. Go Muzza..go get him..i don’t care about the bracket challenge, just GO GO GO!!

Federer, please don’t ruin my friday. GO GO GO!!


puckbandit Says:

Hi guys,

Been a busy summer so I haven’t been by much.

I can’t believe that I was so close to going to TO this weekend for this tourny and then backed out. What a three days of tennis I would’ve had.

So sorry I couldn’t watch my guy Murry today, will try to catch the ESPN3 replay. Also glad that they will have tonight’s matches on.

Kimberly, go to ESPN.com and choose ESPN3 from the top tool bar. You should be able to see the matches there.


jane Says:

“The last time all four top seeds advance to the semi-finals in this event was 1987.”

So who’s going to spoil it? Chardy? Berdy? Both? Neither?

Comments from Murray and Nalby:
Murray: “It`s one of the best matches I`ve played all year, honestly, “It definitely gives me confidence for the rest of the tournament. “I served really well today and was able to dictate a lot of points.”

Nalbandian:”I feel a little tired, but I’m pretty happy with how I played (this week),”Andy played very good, great. He was really aggressive.”

http://www.sportsnet.ca/tennis/2010/08/13/murray_rogers/


Kimmi Says:

“i heard simon will have to skip US Open ( french rumor from the chat board) and there are others.”

contador – I also heard tsonga will skip US Open..(from the BBC board). Apparently with knee injury.


puckbandit Says:

Also, re Murray w/o coach.

I think this may be a good thing as well. He has a great tennis mind and is as good as anyone with on-court strategy. The kid has an instinct that can’t be taught.

I think it is most important the he keep his conditioning and physio guys on board. They have gotten him in great shape, no one questions his conditioning or preparation for competition.

Just my two cents.

Jane- crazy summer for hockey news, eh? My Devils are driving me crazy. LOL


grendel Says:

madmax:

““Federer himself has pointed out that given the amount of tennis he has played, some wear and tear on his body”.

yes, that were me, but it wasn’t criticism at all, nothing to do with post Wimbie excuses or whatever (and these excuses, b.t.w. are completely natural imo, I always go back to that Linford Christie quote about great champuions always having an excuse for their defeats; Fed was perhaps more honest than wise in making them public).

Those lines you quoted were referring to Fed’s entire career, and the effect this will have had on his body. I was actually commending his realism here; my subsequent question related to his mind, where’s it really at? I doubt if he knows that himself yet, but I guess he’ll find out before too very long. And then so will the rest of us – all will be revealed in his tennis. The only real question is, in my mind, how long do we wait before we are entitled to draw conclusions?


Kimmi Says:

“Andy played very good, great. He was really aggressive.”

Andy was aggressive!! oh I love it. This is what he needs to do. GOOOOO andy. bring your most aggressive game tomorrow. GOOOOOOOO!


jane Says:

puckbandit I went to the NHL Draft in LA! Since then I really haven’t been following trade news etc. What’s happening with the Devils?


puckbandit Says:

Kimmi,

I agree, the key to Andy winning a Slam will be his willingness to be assertive and take control of the rallies.


puckbandit Says:

Jane,

Draft must’ve been fun.

Are you kidding about Devils? Maybe you have been busy. If so . . .

Well, Devils signed the biggest free agent in history – Kovalchuk – to $102 million dollar contract, will need to shed player to fit him under salary cap

Hold press conference, fly in stars
Parise, Langs, Marty & Elias to attend

NHL rejected contract

turns out Devils & Kovalchuk knew contract was going to get rejected, but had conference anyway

Player’s union grieved

NHL won, can fine Devils and Kovy

Kovy now a free agent again

Devils still trying to sign Kovy

NHL now “investigating” Luongo, Pronger, Hossa and Savard contracts as well as others

NHL world very mad at Devils


sar Says:

Nadal won’t skip Cincy, he’s never won it.

Is Djok match on TV tonight in the US or did they screw him?


jane Says:

Whoa!! Your Devils are living up to their moniker! Clearly have had head in the sand with regard to hockey news; have been instead enjoying the sun, watching films, reading books, and obsessing over tennis- Nole and Murray in particular.

My nephew was drafted but I don’t want to say more (i.e., to which team, etc); Will wait and see what happens in the future. But he did go to the first training camp and apparently held his own with some of the more veteran wanna-bes. : )


grendel Says:

I hope Murray hasn’t peaked. Even if he beats Nadal tomorrow, remember the real battle is in New York. Nadal won’t mind a loss here in the slightest, not in the overall scheme of things and after he has brushed off a momentary irritation. Whilst I think Murray’s confidence would be significantly impaired by a loss.I get the impression Nadal is ever so gradually shifting up the gears. Come the second week in New York, he’s gonna be right at his best. I hope he is properly tested, not least because I am curious to know: can Nadal, now at the height of his powers, beat a series of the best players in the world (sadly lacking delPotro)on a fast hard court surface?

If he can – and we can see for ourselves that Murray and others are also at their best – then Nadal’s reputation will be in the stratosphere. If he can’t, he will be seen as another fine champion, great but fallible. A lot hangs here.


jane Says:

sar, looks like TSN2 is showing only Fed’s match. I don’t know about the US. Guess will have to find Nole on streaming – hope I can!


puckbandit Says:

Jane,

how exciting for your nephew, and you! Can you say which round? I’m guessing first or second if you went to LA.

How about which conference? East or West?

What an honor for him though, regardless of what round he was picked. So few make it there, you must be so proud.


jane Says:

puckbandit, I’ll just say, he was a steal. ; ) Of course it remains to be seen if he’ll ever make the big show. I think he’s got it in him, but it’s tough competition.He’s a Patrick Kane type – not super big but really skilled, fast, wily. Western Conference.


leo vixen Says:

Andy Murray may beat Nadal tomorrow because we never know which Murray will show up; the one who beat Nalbandian or the one who got a bagel from Monfils. I didn’t think Murray’s game was sublime in beating Nalbandian but more like Nalbandian was worn out playing almost a full 2 weeks (no one else from Washington last week survived this deep into Toronto), he hasn’t been back all that long from surgery and injury, and he is older than Murray. That will not be the case tomorrow against Nadal.since Murray’s game has been horribly inconsistent for most of this year and now without a coach, we will see how he fends for himself since he doesn’t have the experience to be completely independent yet. Also, ( hopefully) a different Nadal will show up tomorrow as well! Not the one who had to battle through three sets like tonight. Overall, Nadal has been by far the more consistent of the two and let’s hope the REAL Rafael kicks Murray’s ass.


dari Says:

They just said that we will get to watch “some of the fed/Berd match” along with the Maria s/marion b on espn2. I guess ill keep the comp and the tv on!


dari Says:

Cliffy is so funny the way he says Rrrrrafa nadal.
Let’s go Roger! Beat that Berd!


steve Says:

It’s a slow hard court. If it were faster I would say Murray has a bigger chance, but I don’t know on this surface. I would say slight edge to Nadal.

As for Murray’s coachlessness, I don’t think that will be the reason for win or lose.


goat galz Says:

LeoVixen
I’m with you. You go Rafa and kick Murray’s ass.
And if he can’t do it Roger will.

ta ta


jane Says:

Be interesting to see how this match plays out – so far both Fed and Berdy holding their own. Not playing carefully quite, but feeling it out.

I don’t know what’ll happen with Rafa v. Murray; it’s probably 50-50 with a slight edge to Rafa given the H2H. But given that it’s hard court, and recalling the match at the AO this year, and Rafa’s rust here, maybe that edge goes away a little. leo vixen is right that the aggressive Murray has to show up to have a good shot at the W.


jane Says:

madmax, you’ll be pleased to know that Fed is playing aggressively and is pushing more on Berdy’s service games than Berd is on his. As a result he has earned the first break point chance. Berdych’s serve has not been as consistent as it can be, he’s hit in only 50% first serves in at this point.


puckbandit Says:

Jane,

Very few make it to the show, but just being drafted puts him on the radar, so from here on out it’s up to him. Hope he makes it.

Is he going to play Jrs or AHL?

If he goes to camp in September, you need to clue me in so I can watch his progress and send out good vibes and prayers (can’t hurt, haha)

Will be pulling for Murray tomorrow. Don’t care if he kick’s Rafa ass ( I love Rafa, too) but would like to see a Murry win.


jane Says:

Make that 46% first serves for Berd, but he held for 2 all.


Kimberly Says:

allright, fed needs to get this match. I like Berdy but I miss the FEDAL days.

Order must be restored.


jane Says:

He plays WHL already puckbandit. Has made quite a splash there. Also ditto on this comment:

“Will be pulling for Murray tomorrow. Don’t care if he kick’s Rafa ass ( I love Rafa, too) but would like to see a Murry win.”


steve Says:

Federer is giving Berdych no pace, no flat hitting, nothing Berdych can use against him. He is also coming in a lot.


jane Says:

madmax, this match so far is much like Murray vs. Nalbandian. Fed is playing very well, very nice, dictating. Tomas can’t get first serves in and is missing the lines from the baseline. It’s presently 5-2 for Fed.

Now it’s pretty much certain that Nole’s match will be a battle, as every match has gone the opposite to expected. People though Murray vs. Nalby and Fed vs. Berdych would be the competitive matches and that Rafa and Nole would win easily. That’s all down the tubes. Hence, am now really beginning to worry for Nole. : (

So far Fed is in ALL of Berdych’s serving games to love-30, etc. Berd at 45% firsts. Seems when he gets one in it does help him out.


jane Says:

Fed is punishing Tomas’s second serves, really taking advantage, as he should. He’s won 60% second serve return points and a decent 5 of 15 first serve return points too. But Berd has done nothing – I mean nothing – on Fed’s service games. Now Berd is angry because the ump gave Fed a point that technically Burwash said Berdych could’ve swung at. Fed will serve for set one. 5-3.


steve Says:

Federer gets a Hawkeye challenge correctly. Shocking!


jane Says:

Fed was 10 for 10 at the net in set one.


jane Says:

Fed’s won every single first serve point. 17 for 17. Commentators are talking about Berdych’s injury as a factor in his movement here, saying he’s slower than usual. But his serving seems to be picking up somewhat in this second set.


jane Says:

madmax, may stop commentating for ya and just watch on the big screen for a while. Hope you don’t mind. : )


jane Says:

Okay, will say that Berd has had trainer out and has had his upper thigh heavily taped. He’s playing a little better now, pushing Fed to earn two break chances, but Fed denied them and held. I cannot see Berd winning tonight, to tell you the truth. Maybe this second set will go to a tiebreak, at most. Fed just seems too strong tonight imo.


dari Says:

That’s a good hold. As much as I hate to see rog in trouble, i love to see him get out of it.


jane Says:

Berydch has now hit a couple doubles in a row; his lead in leg for his serve is the one that’s taped and he’s testing it out. Having problems. Can’t get a serve in, hitting lets, etc. It’s deuce but I think this is basically a sign of the end. Sure enough – Ad Fed. So this will be the match if Fed breaks, a straight-forward 2 setter really.


jane Says:

Berd hit his second ace of the match and managed to hold for 5-4, but I still can’t see how he can beat Fed. Fed’s been serving very well throughout, playing well overall, with great results at net. The second set has definitely been more competitive, and if Berdych weren’t injured, I think he’d have a pretty good shot to level this at a set a piece.


GDSNAB Says:

Disaster , two double fault and he gave him the set


puckbandit Says:

Having a terrible time with ESPN3 feed. Glad to pick up match now in TV

Berdy really wanted that set. Gilbert mentioned how Berdy didn’t like Fed’s comments after Wimby match. Guess I’m not the only one not always pleased with Fed in pressers :)


jane Says:

Federer is suddenly dropping off here, hit two doubles? He couldn’t be nervous could he? It seems like he did get a little tired in the second set, making a few more errors, and with Berd creeping into some of his service games it becomes more of a threat. Burwash, the commentator, thinks Fed just lost a little bit of confidence once he started hitting a few more errors.

Break point = set point for Berdych because he served first. Whoa! He gets it. 7-5 second set.

I am truly surprised at this momentum switch madmax – I did NOT see it coming. Especially because Berdych was having issues with that leg and Roger had been serving so well. I still favour Fed to come though. I think he’ll take charge early here.


Kimmi Says:

just coming back home.

federer lost 2nd set..oh no!

Still hoping.


Kimberly Says:

wow! I gave my kids a bath thinking this match was over…

Go Roger!!!! 0-30 on Berdy’s serve!!!

Only Nadal and Nalby have beaten Fed 3 times in a row. (Rafa twice, 06 and 08) Berdy cannot and will not do it.


jane Says:

Fed’s serve and forehand are not quite as sharp as they were in set one and through to midway in set two. But he’s not playing badly or anything. Just not as crisp as set one.

Love-40 here. If Fed breaks, he could run with it.


Kimmi Says:

0-40 to duece…returns are not good.


Kimmi Says:

too bad..he will lose this now.
berdy hold here..federer will now play his worst game of the match…


jane Says:

Quite the hold from Berdych, from love-40.


Kimmi Says:

SHANK..BREAK POINT FOR BERDY


Kimmi Says:

this is what I call being aggressive on return


Kimmi Says:

berdy really likes federer game now. federer will never beat him again


jane Says:

Kimmi, you know the Fed much better than I. I am flabbergasted. I don’t know what has happened to derail Fed? You should’ve seen him in the first set, flying, and even into the second. It almost seems like a confidence thing to me? He gets a little uncertain of himself now. Am still shocked that Berdy came back from love-40 and then broke, the way Fed had been serving. Seriously.


Kimmi Says:

returns are short from fed, berdy is just wacking the winners out of it.


Kimberly Says:

Come on Fed! Don’t kick me off the leaderboard!!!!!


Kimmi Says:

it is confidence issues jane. something just not right. He is not going for the killer shots anymore…

the body language now is very poor.

He should go for big shots, if they go out its OK. at least he is trying.


ertorque Says:

It’s Berdych’s serve that causes the momentum shift. I still think Roger’s single backhand is producing too many opportunities for Birdman to capitalize ie the ball is hit without pace and it’s direction predictable.
Just watch how many groundstrokes winners from Birdman isn’t from a weak return from Fed’s backhand.


jane Says:

He was doing great at the net in set one Kimmi, controlling things. Now it’s like nothing can go right for him. Hmmmm…


jane Says:

Berdych is so confident now; he is changed. After he won set two, since it was largely on Fed’s two – out of nowhere! – double faults, I thought that Fed would just come back in set three as up until that one bad game Fed was fairly solid, though more errors were creeping into his game, it’s true. But anyhow. Wow.


Kimmi Says:

I agree with ertorque. the returns are sitting up to be hit. and berdy just go for it.

Oh well, the end of federer is near.


Kimberly Says:

don’t give up hope fed fans!

I’m a Nadal fan and I’m feeling depressed.

Come on Fed!


jane Says:

Berdy has to close it out now. Maybe this is where Fed will break. Looking good 15-30.


Kimmi Says:

big c’mon from the fed…go federer


Kimmi Says:

SHANK…oh god


jane Says:

Fed shanked a forehand on break point.


jane Says:

Tomas hit a forehand long on deuce, and then a wicked serve which Fed hits out, for another deuce.


jane Says:

Crazy point! For another break point.


Kimmi Says:

3 0r is 4 break point going down. Too many opportunities for berdy to hit an ace


jane Says:

Berdych hits a great first serve, Fed’s return is okay, then Berdych hits forehand wide. Again, another bp. He gets it! Fed’s still alive.


Kimmi Says:

BREAK! c’mon. can he HOLD! HOLD pls


Kimmi Says:

I hope he is not going to do what he did to gulbis match by get broken here..c’mon fed

Yes..be aggressive fed


sar Says:

They said the crowd is being real mean to Berd.


Kimmi Says:

I still don’t believe federer will win this…unfortunately!


puckbandit Says:

Berdych doesn’t seem as hobbled as he did earlier. Maybe his leg problem worked itself out


Kimmi Says:

those BH slices seem to be sitting up for berdy to hit


Kimmi Says:

can’t watch the tie break..i feel thats it for fed..c’mon fed prove me wrong


jane Says:

14-7 Fed’s tiebreak record this year; 12-11 Berdych’s tiebreak record this year.

Fed already with the mini-break. 3-0 in the tiebreak. The match seems to be in Fed’s pocket now.


steve Says:

We are in a tiebreak, after Federer pulls the Lazarus act for the umpteenth time in his career.


zinaldo Says:

federer mentally just never seems to be there for the whole of the matches anymore,i really don’t know why and he seems so tentative of break points you really wonder where that comes from.

But to me matches are now harder than they used to be because people actually now don’t get down on themselves when he is ahead and actually know they can beat him.

He has always won matches with his game but now days he has to fight with his mental strength and he just doesn’t have any and that is where nadal will always be better than him.

Because rafa if he can’t beat you with his game then he will try and beat you with his mental strength by making you hit more and more shots and that takes a lot out of players.


jane Says:

Commentator: “Berdych folding here in this tiebreak” – And he is. 4-1 for Fed.


zinaldo Says:

federer is too cautious with his play sometimes.


jane Says:

sar, the crowd hasn’t been too mean, I don’t think. But they are definitely for Fed. And during some points they yelled out during play, apparently. I didn’t hear it though. They have cheered Berdych;s good shots and stuff. But – by far – they are for Fed.


jane Says:

Fed’s still got the mini break. And two serves. He should win now.


jane Says:

Fed wins. On a Berdych error. It was a darn good match in the end.


steve Says:

Federer prevails by a hair!


Kimmi Says:

YEEEEEESSS!


jane Says:

Berdych has to feel pretty good about his effort, but he’ll rue his missed chances, when serving for it. Crowd cheering as Berdy leaves sar.

Now, finally!!!!, Djoko. Please win.


zinaldo Says:

This mentally flawed federer can never dream of beating rafa at rolland garros or wimbledon,i am even going to say that roger would lose to rafa at the us open final if they ever met there.

Because it is all mental whenever they play and rafa knows what buttons to push and unfortunately roger just doesn’t have a good enough game and more importantly the mental toughness to stand up to a bull like rafa,just sad to see someone this talented not being able to keep it together mentally anymore.

Good win but berdych supposed to be injured.


Kimmi Says:

At least if he loses to novak..it wont be soo bad.

hope this match will bring the confidence he needed..sometimes it only that one match.

congrats fed


puckbandit Says:

Both Berdy and Fed showed great resolve in that match. Berd fighting off his bum leg and Fed fighting off his bum head (concentration)

Fed’s expression at the end was great, he did not want to lose to Berdy 3 times in a row.


sar Says:

Novak has the worst draw at cincy; Soda, Nalby and roddick. All the others have it easy.


jane Says:

Kimmi, the odds are stacked against Nole; the last time the top 4 seeds got to the semis here was in 1987. So am worried. If he gets to the semis, so be it.

zinaldo, I don’t know how serious Berdych’s injury is, but it was noticeable at times tonight. He had his thigh taped by a trainer in the first set. And in the second set, he was definitely favoring the one leg. I guess the adrenalin could’ve kicked in after that surprising win of the second set when Fed blew those couple of serves.


puckbandit Says:

Kimmi,

I actually think Berdy is tougher opponent for Fed now than Nole. Berdy has more weapons and a much heavier shot. Those are the things that seem to trip fed up nowadays.

I think Fed will make to finals.

I have to wonder though, if a completely healthy Berdy would’ve won tonight. That can’t sit well with Fed.

Berdy did well to make a match of it and not fade after first set. Both will remember how close this was if they see each other again this season, which given the seedings, is very possible.


dari Says:

Holy sh*t balls, what a match and tie break! I can’t believe that fed made it back and how tough Berd fought with the injury. I almost died I am so happy for fed. It was almost a scary Friday the 13th!
BTW, I’ve gotta stay away from tennis x during tough fed matches. I wasn’t checking during the good times, then did check when Berdy broke 2d and 3rd set. I know it makes NO sense but its def better for the nerves!
Way to be, rog! Good match, Berd. And yay to the fed fans!
ROGER FEDERER FOR EVER. HAHAHA


steve Says:

@zinaldo: it’s clear Federer wanted this one. He fought as hard as he could to get through and his intensity showed throughout. Maybe he needed a little luck, but he also adjusted his game plan and took more risks than he usually does.

Both men ended by playing some great tennis. Credit to Berdych for his mental strength after losing the first set.


sar Says:

Well Puck, now Berd can say Fed won because he was sick. Berd was upset because Fed said that at Wimby.


puckbandit Says:

Just a side note re: ESPN coverage. They stayed with the Fed/Berdy match which forced a 50 minute delay of a live broadcast of their Friday Night Fights. Announcer just mentioned that both fighters had to wait, all suited up and taped etc. the entire time, Not easy for these guys.

Have to take this a positive sign for ESPN commitment to tennis. Although it would’ve been preferred that they had committed in time to have the tennis regularly scheduled.


dari Says:

Puckbandit- part of me wants to do that thinking, but im not gonna. Berd was visibly injured this match, fed didn’t have any visible tape, but said he was hurting. At the moment I suppose they stand with each getting the win over the other “injured”. C’est la vie. Hopefully fed can beat Berd again after they’ve both recovered (berd from leg, fed from BRAIN!)


jane Says:

Re: Cincy – Oh yuck sar: he will face Troicki or Steps right off the bat. Isner, de Bakker, Hewitt in that quarter too. Could be tough.
Murray has two qualifiers in his section, and Gulbis, but his quarter does look pretty good. Interesting that Nole and Murray are on the same side, and Rafa and Fed are on the other side. Nadal has Berdy this time, and Fed’s quarter looks comfy to the quarters, although Kohls is there.


puckbandit Says:

Sar,

I thought about that. Will be interesting to see how Berdy handles the questions about his leg in the presser. Anything short of claiming it had ZERO to do with the loss will make him a bit of a hypocrite.


sar Says:

Yes the worst draw for Novak, Jane.

ATTENTION ATTENTION!!!!

I just heard Doug Adler say Novak is ASTHMATIC.


jane Says:

sar, maybe that’s the same dude who said it when Kimmi was watching? Now that’s twice this week that the announcers have said outright that Nole has asthma, so I wonder if his team leaked it to commentators or the press or what?


Anna Says:

Berd had the match in hand serving it out for the win when fans (fed fans I’m sure) began yelling out in the middle of a rally just before Tomas struck the ball. It obviously upset Tomas and changed the climate of that game, and Berd went on to lose. It was just enough to give Roger the momentum he needed to eventually close it out. Now all that being said, am I the only one who saw that and the implications of the fans actions?
Is it ok for fans to interject themselves into the play on the court? No one here has mentioned it except SAR, and that was in a very understated way. Am I overreacting?


stu Says:

What’s up with Doug Adler. He picked chardy to win.

Is this the new Fed phase? When he shows grit and determination and toughs out wins?


puckbandit Says:

Anna,

It did seem bad form from the crowd, but certainly it’s not the first time this has happened. I could see it affecting the shot in question, but players need to play through that type of adversity.

Basically, it could be one “reason” for Berdych’s hiccup, but he regrouped and leveled the breaker. A factor yes, and excuse, no.

Overall, I thought he showed excellent fight and resolve.


jane Says:

Anna, I’m watching Canadian coverage on TSN2. The commentators mentioned that the crowd – yes, Fed fans, since the majority of the crowd were clearly for him – had yelled out during a rally. I didn’t hear it. But generally I did think the crowd were fine overall. Maybe it was just one dumbass or something? Did you actually hear it on your coverage?


puckbandit Says:

Jane,

I caught part of Cahill and Gilbert conversation about Nole’s meds and possibly running into trouble with banned drug list. I assumed they were talking about asthma meds because so many athletes are having trouble with certain steroids (I think) common in these meds.

I always thought it was asthma with Nole. Is that news?


sar Says:

I don’t know if he even leaked it. Even a layman can really see it in the hot conditions with humidity. McEnroe hinted at it before and they are friendly so he knows. You can only say he’s faking it so many times. Notice for Cahill and Gilbert, open your eyes and quit the hating.
Just now from Adler again:
He suffers from hyperventilation, shortness of breath and asthma.


jane Says:

stu, Maybe Adler’s going with the odds of not all top seeds usually getting through. Then again, Chardy has a great game AND he’s beaten Baggy, Davy and Hotsauce to get to the quarters, so he’s clearly in some lovely form a.t.m.


stu Says:

Hyperventilation
shortness of breath
asthma

says Doug


Kimmi Says:

Puckbandit – I agree with you. berdy is a tough match-up for fed. but even with that fed is not playing well right now.

WOW! djoko is hitting the ball very well today.


steve Says:

Don’t think it was more than one person that yelled during rallies. Majority of the crowd was quiet during the points.

Pretty sure the crowd was cheering just as loud (if not more so) for Federer at Wimbledon, didn’t seem to make a difference for Berdych then.


puckbandit Says:

Has Nole ever used an inhaler courtside?


jane Says:

puckbandit – ” Is that news?” As far as I know, it’s never been offically announced as “asthma” by his team and nor have announcers ever said he has “x”. But now, this week, announcers are outright calling Nole’s condition that. It seems to be a definite shift, even though, as sar says, and you imply, it’s quite obvious he has something impinging his breathing.

Chardy has an excellent serve. Love-30 now on Nole’s serve. Hmmmm… could be dangerous.


andrea Says:

congrats to fed for pulling out that win, despite being in a huge hole mentally. great match.


jane Says:

puckbandit – no he never has – ever. So I assume the inhalers are banned because some have steroids and others have stimulants. Sad, really. Must be SO hard to play with that feeling of being short on breath.


steve Says:

Didn’t Djokovic have surgery to correct his breathing problems at some point?


sar Says:

Doug Adler does not like Novak. Whenever he does a Nole match it’s full of criticism. Stuff like he’s so mentally weak, not a real #3 etc. No it doesn’t surprise me that he would pick Chardy or even a Donald Young against Nole. Tonight he even said Nole is #2 on paper only and that Berdych is even better than Nole. This is what Nole fans are up against. Cahill and Gilbert are no better. The only one who is sympathetic with Nole is PMac.
Anna from what I heard and saw, Lars Graff had to tell the crowd to stop a few times and they were yelling out during his serves. They said all Lars Graff can do is warn the crowd.


contador Says:

chardy is easy on the eyes


stu Says:

No Jane, he picked Chardy earlier in the day. Not saying the upset is impossible, but Nole’s in pretty good form. The fire is back, at least for now.


puckbandit Says:

Jane,

Now that you mention it, I don’t recall ever hearing a “diagnosis” or the term “asthma” used in the past. I think you are accurate with you description of a “shift” in the coverage.


contador Says:

easy on the eyes even when he makes bad shot selection, chardy.


Joe Says:

dammit what happened to Fat Dave. didnt get to see it. thought he would kill murray. happy brits.


jane Says:

steve, Nole did have an operation for a deviated septum but you can’t fix asthma with surgery. Nole’s defense so far has been lovely. He needs to take care of his own service games though. Love-30 again.


Duro Says:

The return is the key here. No one returns like Novak.

Countess, behave like one! Ernests easy on the eyes, Jeremy easy on the eyes… Who’s next? Marin Čilić?


jane Says:

sar, J-Mac is really fair in his commentary towards Nole, as are Wilander and Becker.


Kimmi Says:

djoko has three 0-30 games so far and then goes on to win the next 4 points. wow!


Kimberly Says:

Where are you guys watching this? ESPN2 is showing the fight now.

Come on Novak!!!!!! This is a night match. At least you should be able to breathe and go for your shots!!!!


contador Says:

take about enthusiastic crowd support, nole has it!!

and he is doing well.

as i mentioned , even if he is using corticosteroids for asthma , i see how they would be performance enhancing at all; on the contrary, much different than anabolic steroids.


Kimberly Says:

Marat Safin was the easiest on the eyes…

Out of current players Berdy and Soderling.


contador Says:

“talk” about crowd support s/b


puckbandit Says:

I always thought Nole was easy on the eyes, and Rafa and the Spaniards, and Delpo and the Argentines and the French and . . .

You get the idea.


contador Says:

my high speed internet does not have espn3. i have to stream form atdhe . (justin TV) it’s a good stream tonight


puckbandit Says:

Kimberly,

Agree with you on Safin, plus his badboy image was so sexy.

You can watch on ESPN.com select ESPN3 and choose tennis as sport


grendel Says:

Reports are flooding in that Tomas Berdych is to issue a public apology to Roger Federer for being a few days late with his birthday present – namely, choking when serving for the match.

But though Berdych did choke, it wasn’t a huge choke in that Fed did legitimately earn a couple of points and he does seem a much stronger player these days. One has to wonder how much he was impeded by the thigh injury. Even if it was only a little, that might have been enough to do the damage.

Zinaldo says:”federer mentally just never seems to be there for the whole of the matches anymore,i really don’t know why and he seems so tentative of break points you really wonder where that comes from.” This is very true. Federer came out all guns firing, and by the end of the first set, part of me was purring, the other part wondering: when does the reversal in fortune begin? Simply on past performance. Murray played two superb sets in a row today (although to be fair, Berdych was more formidable than a Nalbandian out of gas) – when did Fed last do that? It’s mysterious. It’s as if, when he comes out all hot, he is taking huge risks which all come off but somewhere inside of himself, he doesn’t believe it is possible or reasonable for this state of affairs to continue. In other words, doubt creeps in.

Considering the break points, he had two at 4 all in second set. On the second break point, he did one of those infuriating nothing backhands off a second serve which Berdych gratefully gobbled up. Generally speaking, Berdych punished that passive backhand.

Nevertheless, I believe Zinaldo overstates his case. Fed’s forehand was working pretty well a lot of the time, there were some sweet b/hands as well as the other stuff and he certainly showed resilience when all seemed lost. Federer was uncharacteristically not breathless exactly but not his usual cool self in the on court interview. He knew he had indulged in an escape act, for Berdych was certainly the superior player in the third set and arguably in the second, and he paid proper tribute to Berdych.

But I think he has reason to be reasonably pleased given this is his first tourney since Wimbledon. The jury is still out as to whether slam contending on his part is realistic. A bad defeat today would have been very ominous – and that has been avoided.


jane Says:

Yes contador, we likey Nole in Canada. : ) Lots of support for him here.

Kimberly, me swoon for Marat, swoooooon. I am watching on TSN2.


puckbandit Says:

Contador,

if you have ESPN.com it will link you to ESPN3

I’m watching on Justn TV also ’cause ESPN3 feed keeps freezing up


jane Says:

puckbandit – lol, do you feel the same about hockey players? Seems like many of the tennis lads are easy on the eyes for you.


jane Says:

Yay Nole! Ya!


Kimmi Says:

wow! that was quick!


contador Says:

Duro : ) you make me happy. “Countess”

erno is the easiest on my eyes. what can i say? i must ignore his lesser qualities like …..losing. hahaha

in the end, this is about tennis but it’s also about what is entertainment and esthetically pleasing…

nalby is one of my favortes erm..he’s something to behold! not the most beautiful but his tennis is exciting.

i picked your man to beat federer tomorrow btw

and i think for me, to see him beat berdych…..job done!!


puckbandit Says:

Jane,

Here’s a two word answer for you:

Sheldon Souray

Need I say more?


jane Says:

Kimmi, that’s how the first set was for Fed too – flew by. Hope Djoko doesn’t have a letdown now. He must get this done quickly.


Duro Says:

He he he… What’s up with you in the night, women? Your eyes see differently…

Nole cruises. He’ll serve that present to Fed tomorrow.


contador Says:

i didn’t see FEDERER beat berdych but “job done” i meant

berdych is on my blacklist


Kimberly Says:

Ran into the funniest interview….

Talk about badboys, go to youtube and enter goran v. woodforde. It shows both of their interviews after a US Open match and it is HILARIOUS. Sorry i’m not very computer savvy and cannot figure out how to post the link.


contador Says:

Duro….i am happy fed got to the semi and fully prepared to see nole get the win!

i’ll even add: ajde nole! in all sincerity.

my wish if for fed to rest up for cincy and US Open anyway.

would be great if nole wins toronto! even if i picked rafa.


sar Says:

Jane, I wonder who the crowd will be for tomorrow, Novak or Fed? Or more neutral? No crowd is worse than USO, IMO.
Yeah, Becker is fair but I never heard Wilander.
Novak’s playing really well, the air seems wonderful for him tonight. If he ever quits tennis he will be on the ski slopes for sure.

He explains here that his health comes first and he wishes someone could turn off the sun. http://www.tennistalk.com/en/news/20100812/Djokovic_again_finds_it_tough_to_beat_the_heat


sar Says:

Duro, men have Ivanovic, Sharpie and others, we have Chardy, Haas and Gulbis. LOL


Kimberly Says:

sar thanks for the link. I think the crowd will be for fed if tonight was any indicator.

Novak is playing really well. I think he will win that match. Is it in the sun or later?


steve Says:

I’m not the best judge of male beauty, but the only less-than handsome male tennis player I can think of is Radek Stepanek. Of course he’s married to a gorgeous beauty nearly ten years his junior, so what do I know?


Duro Says:

Sar, true… Watch tennis, women, not men!!! Gee…


jane Says:

sar, if Nole wins (he’s playing loverly right now – wowowowowo!!) the majority of the crowd will be for Fed, I suspect, but Nole will have a healthy amount of support too. Yes, something about the evening matches, and Nole is on. You should try to find streaming sometime with Wilander when Nole is playing; Matts really likes Nole and emphasizes the positives rather than trotting out every time he’s retired, called a trainer, peed, blown his nose, broken a racquet, etc.

puckbandit, Brad Richards??


stu Says:

Novak is just in a different class in this match. Ya hear me, Doug Adler?


contador Says:

i can appreciate why ivanovic and sharapova win the beauty contest. it’s frustrating however when sharapova matches get priority over all else, even a federer match. but if that’s what it takes to bring viewers to tennis, so be it.

i’m beginning to believe it will be a murray / nole final.

chinks are in nadal’s armor and muzza played great today.

nole is tonight


Duro Says:

When this ends, it’s gonna be 10-0 in sets for Novak against Chardy. The guy should quit trying…


contador Says:

nole is great tonite


jane Says:

Surprising – Nole having his shoulder worked on. No real indication that anything was bugging him. He’s got momentum and is totally winning. Burwash feels he’s too reliant on the two-handed backhand and that he has a good one hander and should try to use it more to put less pressure on his shoulder and lower back. Hmmmm…


contador Says:

poor chardy….

have a heart Duro


sar Says:

every time he’s retired, called a trainer, peed, blown his nose,

LOL Jane


puckbandit Says:

Did anyone get what the problem was with Nole’s shoulder?

Jane: Patrick Sharp??


jane Says:

Chardy is v.handsome, and has a wonderful serve. But his shots are very “timing dependent” according to the commentators; he has a wide swing, or some such, compared to Nole’s compact swings, which help with accuracy. Not sure if that’s true, it’s what they’re saying.


contador Says:

chardy had some luck imo to get this far.

completely outclassed by djokovic


Duro Says:

Excuse me, 11-0. Jane, I told you about that shoulder last time and someone to try to find out what it was. When winning against Hanescu he made those painful grimaces in the very end. That could make him a real trouble tomorrow…


puckbandit Says:

That was a great slice backhand approach by Nole,

I think he and Murray have the best slice for two-fisted players, with Rafa right behind them


kimberly Says:

Rafa can win tomorrow if he brings it. Depends which andy murray shows up. Murray is more of a hardcourt player than rafa. On paper he should win. But rafa has heart.


stu Says:

what an exciting semifinal line-up this is! come on nole/ murray – show us that you’re true contenders to the throne!


sar Says:

I will be at the women’s final in Cincy. Sec 123 Box B5 seats 5 and 6. Look for me row 5 behind umpire. Then for the men’s week I have nosebleeds.


contador Says:

puckbandit thankyou

but i have cable, high speed internet bundle and where i live there are the proper options to meet requirements for ESPN3.

i was hoping to get transferred back to ketchum idaho where they actually have cable with tennis channel and internet ESPN3. but…

that’s my story

life could be worse, right? : )


jane Says:

puckbandit, they said it was something with his left shoulder on the backhand side/swings. Just a nerve or tweak or something.

Mmmm Sharp. Jose Theodore?


contador Says:

“not options”…..sheesh. same old problem. i can’t stream and type


kimberly Says:

Just looked at cincy draw. Rafa and fed on same side.


jane Says:

sar, will watch for you. Hope you have fun and that it’s not tooo hot.

Duro, I hope not. : (

Needs to finish quickly here!! And then a very good massage and rest.


puckbandit Says:

Jane,

Ohh, Jose Theodore ! Yep, you win with that one. :)


jane Says:

kimberly are you the same Kimberly in the ATP draw challenge?


Anna Says:

Had just come back from dinner and checked the computer. I keep the ATP sight on all day as if it were a screen saver. The score was 5 to 4 Berdi’s favor. I quickly went to adthe thinking I would catch the end of the match. I picked up play in the middle of rally. Just as Tomas was about to strike the ball someone yelled loudly. The crowd reacted as it was obvious that someone had meant to distract Berdy. My thought was “Huh, that guy should be punched.” Then it happened again. Each of these guys work so hard to get where they are, it’s just sad to see that sort of thing happen. One of my favorite things about Wimbledon is they don’t put up with that kind of crap from the peanut gallery at all. The umpires are very good about nipping it in the bud.


kimberly Says:

Sar—i always go here in miami and my favorite matches are the outer courts.


contador Says:

“Reports are flooding in that Tomas Berdych is to issue a public apology to Roger Federer for being a few days late with his birthday present – namely, choking when serving for the match.”

says grendel.

hahahhaaaaaaa! i missed the match but that’s funny, very good one grendel!


contador Says:

shirt exchange PLEASE!


jane Says:

What a night for Nole!! First time since 1987 – ALL top four in the semi finals. Woot!! And a very warm congrats from the lovely Mr.C at the net.


stu Says:

what a cute exchange at the net :)


jane Says:

No shirt exchange countess. : /


kimberly Says:

Jane..Kimberli25 is me


puckbandit Says:

“shirt exchange PLEASE!”

Oh Contador, what a great idea! Can we start a petition or something for them to adopt this football tradition?


Ben Pronin Says:

Arguably one of the best weeks at Toronto in quite some time. Top 4 seeds in the semis, who could’ve asked for a better kick off to the big events of the summer?

Still hoping for a Murray-Djokovic final, too. Nonetheless, we’re quite lucky because I’m sure the last 3 matches will all be high quality.


puckbandit Says:

Okay, it’s been fun tonight. Busy day tomorrow, but I’m gonna try to catch the matches.

night all


jane Says:

Anna, yes, that yeller should have been kicked out after one offensive remark. That just shouldn’t happen.


sar Says:

Kimberly I bet Miami is fun. See everyone when I get back next week. Leaving early in the a.m. for a drive from Chicago to Cincy.


jane Says:

Night bandit – catch ya tomorrow.


jane Says:

Bye sar, drive safely. Post from the hotel if you have time. ; )


contador Says:

Kimberly, Kimmi-

not that there is any hurry but..

going in to the cincy bracket – i may be up late.

soooo happy!! great night of tennis! woooot

dari? are you playing ?


jane Says:

“Jane..Kimberli25 is me” Oh good – so only one inimitable Kimberly. Now I don’t have to be confused. LOL.


Kimmi Says:

Congrats to novak..he was very good today. much better than federer imo. aggressive, crisp shot making. confident.

Robbie koenig on tennistv thinks it will be a federer vs nadal final though..hmmmm! I am bound not to agree with him..we will see


Duro Says:

Come on girls, they are both awfully skinny! Tennis counts (and Ana Ivanović ha ha ha).

Bravo Nole. Try tomorrow. If not, no hard feelings. I’ll throw up a bit, but who cares. I picked you, so that will be my problem. In Novak I trust!

Good night all. 5:35 am in the Noleland and I’m watching and working in two hours from now, but that’s love… No that easy on eyes kind of one, countess!


contador Says:

are there two kimberly’s on tennisx? one with a capital “K” and one with the lower case?

i’m confused. help?


contador Says:

LOL Duro.

sweet nole dreams in noleland….


Kimmi Says:

contador – good luck. i will play tomorrow.

players should be out of rusty in cincy after a week of great tennis.

I am glad fed beat berdych. hope this win will awaken that fire we are used to see from him.


contador Says:

nah. i dont believe him Kimmi.


contador Says:

though they (fed and rafa) would be nicely color co-ordinated.

nike. neither knew what the other was wearing but you know nike did. ; )


contador Says:

okay good nite Kimmi


kimberly Says:

I think I figured it out. When I post from blackberry its upper case and from computer lower case.
Or vice versa

Its all the same kimberly.

Kimberli25 in the apt circuit.(Rafa fan)

Married to kaiser (fed fan) with a 3yr old and a 5yr old (rafa fans)


Kimmi Says:

good night conty, jane and everybody else.


Anna Says:

Conty – There’s a picture of Fed (on another site) with his arms outstretched after a win. The title is “Neopolitan Jesus”.


Von Says:

Good to see that the top 4 got through, which would make for a very good SF and final.
________

Kimmi: Of course the Joker played well because look whom he faced? a guy he’s beaten several times. There was no need for him to feel any stress. Federer on the other hand played vs. Berdych, a top 10 player, as opposed to Chardy who’s ranked low, and the way Chardy played tonight, is the reason he’s ranked low. Nalby is ranked low also, but in terms of tennis talent Chardy is not a Nalbandian. However, David looked gassed today. Glad Murray won as he has tons of points to defend. A loss would take him out of the top 4, which would be a serious blow to his present delicate mental state.

_____________
I hope tomorrow we won’t hear anything about not enough time to recover from the joker’s fans, as is their usual plaintive cry, whenever he plays a night match and loses. Nor, do we want to see the usual histrionics on court, e.g., breathing problems, which is his usual MO when he faces a tough player.

I hope he’d come out ans state emphatically that he has asthma, and then all of the usual threnody about his breathing problems will be put to rest.

I thought the commentators, Goodall, Koenig and Adler were very fair to Djokovic, and I don’t understand why anyone feels that they hate him. they were speculating, well Adler was, that Djokovic has asthma, and Adler was very kind. therefore, I don’t understand why it is being stated that Adler hates Djokovic.

For me, I think those guys are tops, when it comes to commentating, and I love to listen to them, as they make for interesting and illuminating commentaries.

I hope Fed wins so that he can regain his No. 2 ranking, as having Nadal and Fed on top makes tennis a lot more interesting.


jane Says:

LOL on that title Anna.

Night to Kimmi and all.

Looking forward to some cracker-jack semis tomorrow. Yeah for summer hardcourts!


tennisfansince76 Says:

Ben not sure why you want to see Murray Djoko. those two have never produced a very interesting match. unless you can produce something on youtube that can change my mind. Fed and Rafa on the other hand have blown our minds on any number of occasions.


Ben Pronin Says:

“I hope Fed wins so that he can regain his No. 2 ranking, as having Nadal and Fed on top makes tennis a lot more interesting.”

Von, this is a pretty funny statement with the Cincy draw that just came out. Djoker and Murray on the bottom half which means we can have a Fed-Nadal semi for the first time in quite some time.

Does it matter what Djokovic or his fans say if he wins or loses? I personally think he should win tomorrow based on form. Sure he didn’t fave the same test as Fed but that could be a blessing. He should have the edge since Fed played a long tough one today. If the breathing problems come up, well, what can you do? As a Djoker fan, it’s more of a slap in the face when you have to hear about this guy with his breathing, eating, thinking, walking, seeing, etc. problems.


kimberly Says:

Von, if its hot you will see histrionics. But he can still win it.


Ben Pronin Says:

Tennisfan, because ever since the two of them burst onto the scene I always felt that they would eventually produce a great rivalry. I agree, they haven’t had the best of matches yet, but they still have plenty of time. And why not start in 2 days?

Not the best quality video but the tennis is pretty good: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h9ZsZ5P_qIE


Kimberly Says:

hmmmm, djoko murray or FEDAL final

I’ll take FEDAL any day. Come on!

ANyone take a shot at the Cincy draw yet?


andrea Says:

another novak match and another trainer time out. he is unreal. next time, he’ll call a trainer just before match point (on his racquet) at a grand slam….

they showed a hilarious interview clip with tsonga from another tournament and the interviewer asked him how long tsonga has known about novak and his problems (with injury, breathing etc) and tsonga says ‘about 3 years’.

touche.


Von Says:

Ben: I’m glad you found it funny. With Fed at No.3 ranking, it was just a matter of when he’d fall into Nadal’s side of the draw, not *if*. Anyway, be poised for a great SF, if it happens.

With respect to: “As a Djoker fan, it’s more of a slap in the face when you have to hear about this guy with his breathing, eating, thinking, walking, seeing, etc. problems.”

Ala hewitt: “it’s always something wrong with him”. LOOL. I’m so sick and tired of watching the negativity, and even though you’re his fan, at least you’re an objective one. The other fans make excuses for him all of the time. I’m sorry, and Idon’t care who wants to jump up and down and all around, proffering tons of google stuff to attest to his condition, I DON’T believe him, and only when he says emphatically that he has asthma, then I’ll believe him. Otherwise, ce’st la vie. He is a drama queen and it really looks bad for tennis to have a guy in the No. 2 spot behaving as if he’s about to keel over. My opinion on the matter, if he feels he’ll be sick from the heat don’t play, but for the love of God, don’t get on court and put on that display. I won’t go to a live match and sit on hard seats even if I got free tickets to watch that kind of histrionics. sheesh.
________________
Kimberly: I hope there will none of that, but this much I can say, it wouldn’t upset Federer, like it does to the other lower ranked opponents. Fed will be unmerciful, and run The Joker around even more. Fed’s already stated what he thinks of his MTOs et al, so he’d better behave. Thus far, the Joker has called the trainer twice in three (3) of his matches, and I hope tomorrow won’t make for a third.

A few years ago I defended this guy for his retirements, et al., to the point that a poster wanted to burn me by having a witches burning. Now, I’m sorry I did. OUCH


Von Says:

Ben: A footnote to my post. considering his easy, cakewalk draw, The Joker should win, as Fed had a tough one today. However, I’ll reserve judgment on form until tomolrrow …..


Fot Says:

I am just happy Roger came through. Don’t care how he got through – just glad he did. I actually wanted his match tomorrow first (just to see how Novak would handle the heat again). But they gave him and Novak the late match. (I just hope to be able to see it somewhere!).

Good luck to everyone’s favorite. I actually don’t care who win the first match. May the best person win that. I have to concentrate on Roger’s match! Go Roger! (Good luck Jane, but not too much) *wink*


Ben Pronin Says:

Well Von, then take it as a joke. I laugh at what Hewitt said, although I was annoyed at what Tsonga said. And I like it when Federer bluntly calls out Djokovic on the his crap. But to be fair, Djokovic has had some type of problem in all 3 of his matches and he’s yet to drop a set. Like all the pros say, there’s always something wrong with them. No one is ever 100% physically. Djokovic is no exception, and he uses the MTOs which, like it or not, are a part of the rules. Isn’t it better that he’s consistent about it? What if he doesn’t take a single MTO, says nothing about the heat, and loses tomorrow? Then what? Or if there is a heat issue but he wins with no MTO? In the end, it makes no difference. Djokovic has been a fixture at the top for quite some time and most people have made up their minds about him, whether he’s a “suitable” number 2 or not.


kimberly Says:

He shouldn’t even bother playing cinci. Its supposed to be even hotter.

Von, I watched him live in miami on a rainy day against rochus. I was in the front row and it was shocking. He really looked sick. But then the next point he’d make some sick shots. But he ultimately paid the piper and rochus won.

This was about 80 degrees on a rainy day in key biscayne with a nice ocean breeze. I said right there, I don’t know how this guy will play them summer hardcourt season. He was a finalist in cincy last summer but I think his problems are getting worse not better.


Von Says:

Ben: “But to be fair, Djokovic has had some type of problem in all 3 of his matches and he’s yet to drop a set.”

Summation to the above, just look at whom he has played thus far. I remember some of his fans used to say that about the other top players when their draw was easy. I don’t understand it but his draws are easy, and have been for quite some time now, yet we see the histrionics. If it’s not looking up at the sky, then it’s breathing issues. He certainly looked very alive after he had a pause to refresh when he called the trainer in his match vs. Benneteau. Makes me remember Fed’s prophetic words. To me, Benneteau looked very flushed and more uncomfortable, yet he played without calling for the trainer.

Sorry Ben, I know he’s your fave, but you know me, I’m as the old southern gentleman said:”I calls them as I sees them”. LOOL


Von Says:

Kimberly: The breathing thing and asthma seems to have a mind of its own. It’s very selective IMO.

about hittingthe sick shots, it happened vs. Benneteau also. As I watched, I was shaking my head and laughing, because nothing, and I mean nothing, made any sense to me. Anyway, c’est la vie and que serra serra. There ain’t nuthin’ nobody can do. I mean there isn’t anything anyone can do. LOL.


jane Says:

” (Good luck Jane, but not too much) *wink*” Fot – same to you and Fed! Hope it’s a good match.


Mindy Says:

Ben,

So it’s okay if Djoko takes MTO’s because it’s part of the rules? Really? You could have fooled me when this site went ballistic over Rafa taking that MTO in his third round match with Petz! You would have thought it was a conspiracy for the ages to read the vitriolic stuff that was posted on this site.

I guess it’s really all about who your particular favorite happens to be, but I dislike hypocrisy. It’s part of the rules when Djoko gets heat exhaustion, breathing problems, stomach cramps, whatever. If Rafa dares to take a MTO when he feels something in his knees, then it’s gamesmanship.

Please do not pretend that you don’t remember the hatespeak that poured out all over the pages of this site after Rafa’s MTO. I spoke my mind then and now I will say it again – either the rules apply equally to everyone or they apply to no one!


jane Says:

Djoko’s comments on the semi:

“I played so many times with Federer. Most of the matches we have played were on this surface, and there’s not much to talk about. He’s a big champion and he showed why he’s one of the best players in the world,” “Today he pulled up a great win even though he was down 5 2 in the third. He has big support of the crowd here. He plays well throughout the whole week. It’s going to be a tough one, but, you know, semifinals, you never know what’s going to happen.”


Ben Pronin Says:

I remember very well, Mindy. And I remember you defended him. I’m not justifying Djokovic’s MTOs. However, I will point out that, today, Djokovic took an MTO out of nowhere. He was winning, easily. He didn’t suddenly take an MTO when Chardy was serving for the set.

Nonetheless, what are we going to change? Honestly, the biggest bs MTO this year was the one Soderling took against Nadal at Wimbledon. At least you can say Nadal has knee problems. What did Soderling have before, during, or after his match with Nadal? And it was obvious he did it just to piss off Nadal (and everyone else). It doesn’t even matter who me or you or anyone else was rooting for, it was the biggest act of gamesmanship I’ve seen in the longest time in any sport.

You make a good point, the rules should apply to everyone equally and I don’t agree with Djokovic’s retirements and all his other hooplah. Sure I can spin it because he’s my fave, as you can with Nadal, but it’s bs for both. I’m waiting for Djokovic to announce he’s going to have surgery for his problems, but it never happens. My honest opinion is he doesn’t work hard enough on his fitness. He looked like a twig when standing next to Nadal. I’m curious to see how he looks next to Fed tomorrow because Fed isn’t as skinny as he seems, either. But Nole, he’s got issues. But, I still love his tennis.


blank Says:

One of the most amazing nights!! Went to watch the evening session here. I got the tickets for this session 2 weeks ago…but when I saw Fed playing during the day session on Thursday, I thought I was not going to see him tonight. But lucky me. What a match it was and what an atmosphere!!! It’s a pity I don’t have tickets for tomorrow.


blank Says:

jane,

Djoko was on fire tonight. There was so much love for him from the crowd too…lots and lots of Serbians and there was lots of uninhibited love for him :-)

It should be a great match tomorrow.


jane Says:

blank – lucky you; what a roller coaster match. The coverage on TV on TSN2 has been good so at least you can watch the semis from home and enjoy.


jane Says:

Blank, thanks for the positive feedback; it seemed like the crowds were behind Fed and Nole, but since Fed stepped on court against Chela they have been electric. I meant roller coaster re: Fed vs. Berdy obviously. What do you think happened? Just those two double faults maybe threw Fed off rhythm or something. I thought he’d win in straights and then suddenly momentum swung. But Roger hung tough, and like Djok said, he showed why he’s at the top for years.


Mindy Says:

Ben,

You love Djoko’s tennis and I love Rafas. And so it goes. Yes, I did defend Rafa, especially the charge that he always does it when he is losing. I think that one is settled.

I honestly don’t know what to make of Djoko’s problems at times. I have asthma and know quite well what it means to live with this chronic respiratory illness. I could write a whole post detailing the different kinds of asthma, treatments, etc. However, I don’t think it’s necesssary since this forum is about tennis. I can’t speak to whether or not Djoko has asthma. I just know that it’s no picnic to have to live with it, even if you have a relatively mild case as I do.

You brought up Sod, not me. I don’t even want to get into what I thought about that phony MTO he took in his match with Rafa. Pure spite! That’s one reason I dislike him, there are many more.

It is what it is. There will always be a certain amount of gamesmanship.

Here’s to what I hope will be two great semifinal matches tomorrow. We are fortunate that the top four are there. It’s nice to see.


blank Says:

jane,

Actually, I was there for the Tuesday match against Chela as well. I wasn’t going to miss this especially since I can’t go to the US open this year. I was there Sunday, Tuesday (from 10am to 11pm) and today.

Anyways, coming back to today’s match. Fed was his recent usual self for much of the match…shanking balls, not defending break points well and most of all not making most of the break chances (as usual). But credit to Berdy, he didn’t play as well as he could…but he did hang in there tight. Normally, when watching at home I don’t expect crowd to have that much of an impact…but this crowd was unlike any other. Right from the time Fed lost his serve in the final set, whole stadium was rooting for him. Berdy lost the game where he was serving for the match because he was simply unnerved by the crowd (I was part of it too ;-) ). I don’t think either of them played great…but they played a GREAT MATCH. Fed was a bit lucky…but I would also say he held his nerves better. The double faults were at non-critical junctures…so that wasn’t a big deal. Fed just made it difficult for him as he usually does these days…only that he survived.

Nole match was just the total opposite. Before I could grab an ice cream and come back, the 1st set was almost over. I thought Nole’s serve was amazing (could be it’s back to old level) and his play was great. There were times when Chardy threw the kitchen sink at him, but Nole had answers to em all. He was simply too powerful off the ground. If he brings this kind of form tomorrow, Fed better watch out.

It was kind of cute when a section of the crowd kept on singing Nole Nole Nole Nole (just like in the tune ‘Ole Ole Ole Ole’). This match was totally fun.


jane Says:

Mindy – I enjoy an upset and/or an underdog win, just as many people do, but like you, today I am happy to see the top four in the semis. The four of them have all had up and down seasons, some more up or more down than others, but it’s nice to see them all get this far simultaneously this time, even while shaking off rust!


jane Says:

blank, I am so jealous! I have NEVER seen a live professional match. The closest places to me are L.A. or maybe Indian Wells, or else a flight to eastern Canada, and I am either working or busy and can never seem to go. But I am hoping I can make it to something next year. Maybe Roger’s Cup in Montreal. How far in advance did you have to get your tickets?

Yes, Fed did miss out on a couple of games where Berdy was down Love-40, but part of that was Berdy’s serving. Berdy is so much more level headed on the court now; he could’ve served it out, but it didn’t seem like a horrible choke or anything when he didn’t. Maybe a bit of tightness, but not like to Berydch of old. I thought Fed raised his level at the right time and pressured him.


blank Says:

jane,

Indian Wells is where I saw my 1st professional tennis match…7 years ago. It’s the most beautiful setting you can imagine…with the desert and the big mountains as backdrop. In 2006, the mountains were snow-capped and the matches were going on there. It was freezing one day and scorching hot the next. That’s desert weather for you. If you do get a chance, do try to go there.

Regarding the tickets, I booked the just over a week ago (i checked yesterday, except for the finals, which is completely sold out days in advance, you can get good seats even on the day of the match, but of course they charge you more. I got the Rogers employee discount code from my friend and got 50% off on all tickets. I normally choose the cheaper tickets in the upper rows (even if you are sitting way up here it’s not so bad…but if you are going to the US open, never settle for the cheapest tickets (btw, USO tickets are way cheaper than TO or Montreal)…those will get you a seat in the moon). And, I try to go on a day when I can watch many matches or at least two like today. It would be a bummer to go to the semi-finals, for one session, and get see a one sided match or go to the finals paying big bucks and getting the same (e.g. Keifer Vs Nadal final in 2008). Today is a good example…one awesome match and one one-sided match.

Are tickets to Australia cheap from B.C. You can try the AO sometime…that would be fun!


jane Says:

Just thought I’d mention that Ivanovic vs Clijsters and Sharapova vs
Pavlyuchenkova are the two Cincy semis in the WTA.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5hR9D2Cjqc7GCPvfZhXF_ORiWMfgQ

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Blank, thanks very much for all the info and tips! IW sounds lovely.


madmax Says:

Hello Jane and all fellow Federer fans!

Jane, thank YOU so much for your running commentary! You had me on the edge of my seat as I was scrolling down the thread this morning, girl!

First of all, it seemed pretty straight forward and then you were making some very bold predictions when federer was clearly cruising.

Then…my heart stopped. A blip, a shank, a DF. I thought to myself, you could have written a book here, talk about plot character, crisis! but then thank goodness for a happy ending! Thank you for giving the time to it Jane – I owe you one. And I now look forward to watching the match on record.

I had a really bad sleep, so I might as well have stayed up this morning.

Zinaldo:

“He has always won matches with his game but now days he has to fight with his mental strength and he just doesn’t have any and that is where nadal will always be better than him”.

What a statement! You sayin’ that fed has now mental strength? Did you watch the match? That’s certainly not how the comments from Jane & Co came across. If Fed had no mental strength in the third set, then he would have folded. Simples.

Am so pleased for Federer this morning. It sounded like a truly gripping match, the way that tennis should be.

Sean, for the first time in a LONG TIME, you got your prediction for Fed right! Congratulations!

Sar, about your comments on what cahill and I think goodall? said about Novak – you said they don’t like him? – It’s often the case when commentators who don’t do that brilliantly in their whole careers – what rank did they achieve? – can sit back and criticise people like nole. They have never reached the position that he has, so that’s all they can do – by the sounds of it, Nole played really well too. Duro, you must be delirious by now!

The SF’s are going to be amazing.

grendel, as I mentioned before, apologies. I’ll have to go back to reading your original comment, as it was mid-match yesterday, I didn’t give it the credit it so obviously deserved.

Contador, I am so glad you were wrong with your pick that Federer wasn’t going to pull through!

Well done Roger! You’ve made it to the first SF of a masters event this year! and you’ve beaten a top ten player to do it!


madmax Says:

Berdych after the match:

In a reflection of his new-found status on the ATP World Tour, Berdych said that he could not be satisfied simply to push Federer to the brink. “How can I be happy after losing 7-6 in the third when I was serving to close out the match? I’m really sad after a match like that. I think that’s the worst thing… I hate losing any match,” Berdych said.

“The difference was a really, really small one. We both played quite good tennis today… It was just about one, two points in the tie-break.”


Kimmi Says:

“Well done Roger! You’ve made it to the first SF of a masters event this year! and you’ve beaten a top ten player to do it!”

madmax – didn’t federer get to the final of madrid this year..losing to nadal? or maybe you meant HC masters 1000?


Kimmi Says:

berdych is right..it was only one point difference in the tie breaker.

I am glad federer was able to break in the game when berdy was serving for the match. So many break point he missed initially..i though deja vu..


sar Says:

Djokovic is no exception, and he uses the MTOs which, like it or not, are a part of the rules.
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Ben: PMac said in another recent tournament that NOTHING Nole has done has been illegal and if people don’t like it, then change the rules. Glad PMac is a defender.

Jane and Mindy, a person above said that Nole has selective asthma. Since you have it, is there ever a time when you say, I think I might like to have asthma today?


madmax Says:

kimmi,

initially I had forgotten about Madrid, but because I had divided the tournaments into clay court and hard court, as you say – so FIRST HC 1000,(should have been clearer – sorry) and I’m so pleased Fed came through. Have had a chance to watch and analyse the match a bit more.

First set, sublime, aggressive tennis. Federer serving at 100% first serves. PE—’RF’–ECT.

Second set, only really experienced a downwards turn in his game at 5:5. Fought all the way through until then, with more mistakes, first serve in was still 76% but he didn’t take enough of the opportunities available and berdy did. I think here a mixture of Fed low in the adrenaline as he had pocketed the first set, so I suppose a natural foot off the gas, which is always dangerous with berdych as your opponent, and also berdych stepped it up. 7:5. Federer really should have bagged the second set, but had a minor lapse.

Third set was just champagne epic!. Really incredible tennis by both guys. I was really impressed with Berdych’s resilience and Fed’s incredible tenacity not to let go or give in. And I’ll tell you Kimmi, it has been a long time since I have seen Federer really fight for a win and really want it. I know he keeps saying that he is motivated and every tournament counts, well today he bloody well backed it up!

I’ll go back as far as Australian Open and the tiebreaker in the third set with murray which is the last time I saw him so pumped.

Federer in the third set was awesome, when he came back from 5 games to 2 down. Some of the shots he hit, when he must have been feeling tired, and could easily have given in, must have really been playing on his mind.

He admitted in his interview that he was thinking of Miami.

What a champion this man is. He took my breath away. He pulled it back and kept swinging for the win. He was amazing. When was the last time that Federer had said multiple “C’mons!”?

He wanted this. He wanted this win, he was absolutely pumped and it was such a pleasure to see this part of his game come back. Not only the shots, but the c’mons! When Federer does this, you know he is in the zone and nothing is going to stop him.

Strange how the final result was a complete reversal of the third set tiebreaker in miami. Where fed had 6:5 match point in Miami and blew it, in Toronto, he was having not one iota of doubt. He was going to win.

Just brilliant. And all credit to berdych today, he had a great run.


grendel Says:

Ben: “it was the biggest act of gamesmanship I’ve seen in the longest time in any sport”. You obviously haven’t watched football (soccer to you). In a football match, it is routine – not exceptional, routine – to make claims which the player knows are untrue but with which he hopes to influence the referee (e.g. that his opponent put the ball out of play, that his tackle was fair (i.e. aimed at getting the ball and not cutting his opponent down). And so on. Diving, for example,with the hope of procuring a free kick or even penalty. An English playwright, Tom Stoppard, was so intrigued by this thoroughgoing and systematic lying that he wrote a play about it called, I think, “Professional Foul.”

Given that these incidents are more or less universal, although obviously some players are worse than others,and take place in a sport supported by hundreds of millions, it seems that this kind of deliberate fabrication is more or less a common human trait. The gamesmanship which goes on in tennis seems pretty innocent by contrast.

There was a funny incident yesterday, actually, when hawkeye showed a ball of Federer’s was in. The referee awarded the point to Federer, which outraged Berdych who thought the point should have been replayed. It was a matter of judgement, of course, as to whether Berdych was in a position to hit the ball. When Berdych protested he could have done, the referee said in a sort of amused, slightly mocking way, “Oh, come on,Tomas…”. It was very funny, though we who were watching were all wondering whether the referee would have adopted the same tone for Nadal or Roddick or Federer…..


grendel Says:

Ben:”I personally think he should win tomorrow based on form. Sure he didn’t fave the same test as Fed but that could be a blessing. He should have the edge since Fed played a long tough one today.”

It’s been apparent since the AO that of the top 4, Federer is the weakest if all are playing at their current best. Obviously all Fed fans are hoping this will change, and tennis fans generally (whether they support Fed or not) are split as to the likelihood of such change. However, one point which may help Federer is that he squeezed out a tight one. They say such victories do wonders for the confidence. Incidentally, I believe 1987 was the last time all 4 top seeds contested the semis.

jane: you asked me sometime ago to let you know what my impression of watching live tennis was like, following the O2 tourney. Since you’ve been discussing this with Blank, I inject my twopennyworth. The O2 is a very big stadium, and most of my seats were a long, long way from play. You didn’t, imo, get the atmosphere of live play, nor did you get a sense of how fast and difficult tennis is (just as you don’t on telly). So in a way, one might have been better off watching at home. I was able to get one quite good seat, and that was worth it. Unfortunately, most of the good ones had all sold out – despite being highly expensive. If I go again, I shall book a year in advance, if that is possible. And I’ll get the dearest seats (which translates into the closest seats) possible. Might as well lash out for something which you are not going to do very often, and which can be very thrilling – but only, unfortunately, if you’ve got decent seats.


jane Says:

grendel, thanks for your thoughts on live tennis. I shall go one day – think I need to check it out. I’d like to go to a Masters first before a slam, as they’re slightly smaller but still all/most top seeds are there. I want to go soon as want to see the current crop.

“I believe 1987 was the last time all 4 top seeds contested the semis.” – In Canada, yes. But last year at Cincy, Djok played Rafa and Fed played Murray in the semis, and they were 1,2,3,4.


Kimmi Says:

Grenedel – exactly my experience with live tennis. i went to rogers cup twice. unfortunately did not enjoy the matches as i do on tv. something was missing. apart from my seats being way up, the angle was not good either..it was just not the same.

i should also invest on getting the best seats in the house. maybe..just maybe that way i will enjoy this “live” tennis experience.


blank Says:

Kimmi,

At the Rogers Cup in Toronto, have you watched any matches at the Grandstand? On Tue, Wed and Thu, there are some real good matches going on there and since three of the 4 sections are not reserved, you can easily get a excellent spot and there are some very good matches going on there, especially if you want to catch the up and coming guys. This week eveh though I had a ticket for the main stadium, I watched Cilic-Troicki match. Great view…and you can definitely see and sense more than what one can on TV. Too bad Cilic was kind of feeling sick and lost. He wanted to retire late in the 2nd set…but somehow carried on and finished the match.


grendel Says:

” But last year at Cincy, Djok played Rafa and Fed played Murray in the semis, and they were 1,2,3,4″. Of course. Shld avoid picking up fagends….


grendel Says:

“Your comment is awaiting moderation.”

Why? “A fag end” refers to to the stub of a cigarette – i.e.tailend of a conversation the gist of which one has missed – thereby making silly errors.


Mindy Says:

sar,

Sorry I didn’t get back to you sooner, but I haven’t been here since last night.

I have never heard of selective asthma. You either have it or you don’t. Asthma can be managed with long term inhalers and other medications. I always carry my emergency inhaler with me, it’s albuterol. Asthma can be very tricky and sneak up on you. It’s important to recognize the warning signs, otherwise you can wind up in the emergency room. It’s happened to me. I also have a nebulizer breathing machine at home. If I am in severe distress, then I can use it and save a trip to the emergency room.

There is exercis induced asthma, which would be the kiss of death to any athlete and even stress induced asthma. I don’t have that type of asthma. Mine is the kind that is triggered by something, usually any respiratory infection or allergies. We have wildfires out here in L.A. and that is one of the most dangerous times for me.

You have to be careful and remember that asthma doesn’t just disappear. I can go a long time without any problems, and then something will cause it to flare up and it can become acute. It is an ongoing, chronic disease that requires attention and careful use of medication and monitoring by a doctor who is a specialist.

I hope this answers your questions. I get concerned when I see people discussing asthma without a real understanding of it. That’s one reason why I decided to reveal that I have asthma. Misinformation and ignorance about this disease is NOT a good thing.


Mindy Says:

sar,

I want to make a clarification. You took what Von said out of context and made it seem as though she was saying something that she did not. She didn’t say or imply that asthma can be “selective”. So let’s not play any games of “gotcha”, shall we?

I have read some of the discussion about asthma and the ignorance is frankly appalling. However, I dislike seeing someone take another person’s comment and then twist it to mean something that it does not and then ask me, as a person with asthma, if there really is such a thing as “selective” asthma.

I also made myself perfectly clear about my feelings regarding the whole MTO thing. You can’t have it both ways. Either it’s okay for ALL players to use MTO’s or for no one to use them.

When Rafa did it, people here acted like he murdered somebody or stole the match from Petz. Well, Petz wasn’t serving for the match. Also, Rafa’s knee problems are well documented.

Only Djoko knows what’s going on when he takes these MTO’s. As far as I am aware, there has been no confirmation that he has asthma.

Do me a favor and don’t play games with me and pretend that you want to know about asthma, when your intention is to embarrass another poster with whom you happen to disagree.

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