Is Birthday Boy Andy Murray Finally Ready To End Novak Djokovic’s Run In Rome? Who’s The Pick?
by Sean Randall | May 14th, 2016, 8:31 pm
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For the third straight day Novak Djokovic had to fight to stay alive in the Rome Masters. After dropping a bagel set Thursday to Thomaz Bellucci, Djokovic fought off a tough Rafael Nadal Friday and today overcame an early ankle issue to take down Kei Nishikori in a 3-hour thrill ride 2-6, 6-4, 7-6(5).

Djokovic again came out scratchy, and early on needed treatment for what looked like a minor bone bruise after whacking his racquet on his ankle.

“It was an awkward situation,” Djokovic said of the injury. “The first game, instead of cleaning my shoes, I hit myself pretty hard, ankle, and actually have a bruised bone which I have right now which was hurting for a while. Then the pain faded away but then returned towards the end of the match. Back and forth. I hope that tomorrow it’s going to be fine.

“But message to all the kids out there: Be aware, when you’re cleaning your shoes, make sure the frame hits your shoe.”

Lesson learned!

The Serb’s footing was a little unsettled, but Djokovic found his feet in the second and third sets. Yet just when it appeared Nishikori was going to go away down a break in the third, the Asian No. 1 stormed back, saved a matchpoint and forced a deciding breaker. Niskikori, who’s been so rock solid in deciding lets, drew blood first to lead 3-1, but the ever resilient Djokovic win six of the last eight points for the win.

“I thought it was even better than my match against Rafa and the way he was striking the ball,’ assessed Djokovic. “He was making it very tough for me to do anything, really, from the baseline but to defend and wait for the opportunities. Maybe in some games when his balls are maybe a bit shorter in the rally, which started to happen at the beginning of second set, but first set was flawless, I mean, from his side. I couldn’t do too much.”

While Djokovic persevered, you have to credit Nishikori who gave Novak all he could and then some. I think today he proved that he’s on the list of guys Novak has to watch out for in Paris.

“I’m really disappointed,” said Nishikori. “I was playing really good tennis in the first set. I was playing aggressive. I think I stopped doing that in second set. Also, he started playing better. In the third, I think I could have been a little better and he was giving me a lot of pressure and I wasn’t making many first serves. So that was costing me a lot of points.

“In the tiebreak I made too many unforced errors and three in a row from 3-all. That was the biggest mistake today.”

Djokovic has now made the finals at 23 of his last 26 events, and he’s won his last 14 matches in Rome plus his last 17 against Top 10 players. But there’s no time to celebrate.

Tomorrow comes more opposition in the form of a very hot Andy Murray. The Scot, as we thought, blew out lucky loser Lucas Pouille 6-2, 6-1 and he hasn’t dropped a set all week.

“I think I have made some improvements in my game,” said Murray. “Last year I was winning a lot of matches at this time of the year, but I do think I’m playing better tennis this year. I think my serve has been a big improvement for me.

“That’s why in matches like today, Lucas had no opportunities on my serve. I had a few matches like that over the past few weeks, and that hasn’t always been the case.

“To get like a win in the semifinals of a Masters 1000 losing five points on serve is the first time that’s happened in my career, and that’s been the most pleasing thing for me.”

So to the final with two very familiar names…once again for the second straight week.

Novak Djokovic v Andy Murray
Djokovic leads in this long-time rivalry 23-9 but more significantly has won 12 of the last 13 against Murray, taking four straight including a 3-set win a week ago in the Madrid final.

The Madrid conditions and court were more favorable for Murray than Djokovic, but Novak still came out ahead. Rome is the reverse. Murray’s in just his first final there, Djokovic his seventh, seeking a fifth title and third straight.

So based on tournament history and their head-to-head, the advantage on paper clearly goes to Djokovic.

However, Murray has looked outstanding this week, though granted he’s benefited from a fantastic draw, too. Plus, it’s his 29th birthday. What a present that would be finally stopping Djokovic!

“I don’t remember winning any matches, really, on my birthday which isn’t a great sign,” joked Murray. “Hopefully tomorrow that will change.”

And Murray played just an hour today.

Meanwhile, Djokovic has really, really had to work the last three days and I wonder if that plays a role on Sunday. After all, he just won Madrid, played about 5.5 hours or so of tennis the last two days, so he’s got to be feeling something, especially with an awfully short 17-hour turnaround for the final.

The ankle, the long matches, the late nights, etc. They have to catch up, right? But Djokovic seems to be immune to fatigue. We’ve seen it time and time again. And he’s won Rome the last two years beating the other two Big 4 rivals. Mentally, that has to help.

So as for Murray’s best chance? Well, Had this final been in Madrid where Murray’s been more comfortable, I would take the Scot to author the upset. And I want to take him here in Rome, I really do – the cards are so lined up!

But I just think Djokovic will somehow shake off any weariness and find his form and his “A” game. This close to Paris he can’t give his rivals like Rafa and Murray any edge or belief with so much at stake in two weeks. He can’t ease up. One last push and then he gets his week of rest.
The pick: Djokovic in 3

What would surprise me most here is a straightforward Djokovic win in two sets. That would be more surprising than Murray winning in straights, which is possible if Novak is completely gassed.

And if there’s more rain on Sunday delaying the final, that could help Novak rest a little more. But in the end beating three of your biggest French Open threats in Nadal, Nishikori and then Murray would be quite a statement for Djokovic to make heading into Paris.

Let’s see if he can do it.

Tennis Channel has live coverage with the Serena-Keys women’s final at 8am ET, followed by the men’s final at 11am ET. It’s the last match for both guys before the French Open, and it feels like we are going to see this matchup one more time before the clay season concludes.


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366 Comments for Is Birthday Boy Andy Murray Finally Ready To End Novak Djokovic’s Run In Rome? Who’s The Pick?

James Says:

On the issue of Djokovic Nadal H2H of 26-23 – if you dig a bit deeper, this is the second time Djokovic has beaten Nadal 7 times in a row. Prior to 2011, Nadal was 16-7 on Djokovic. Since start of 2011, Djokovic is 19-7 on him. Now 7 in a row, 11 out of the last 12.

PIGEON. That’s how its defined. I don’t recall Nadal ever beating Federer that many times in a row. What makes is more pigeonesque is the many losses Nadal has had on HIS favorite surface (7 on clay).

I am sure we will now start hearing H2H doesn’t matter.

Point is – to be a GOAT, you also have to not be a PIGEON. Can’t be both animals at the same time.


Dave Says:

James,

I have to disagree. The majors really change things. Nadal has a far superior record against Nole at majors. He also has a superior record at majors against Federer. You can’t really be anyone’s pigeon if that is the case. Majors will always be put on the highest platform. I know you can say that 7 of Nadal vs Djokovic matches were at the French Open. So they are fairly even at the other majors. So this is the main reason why Nadal’s records on clay seem to get trashed. He is so good on clay, that when he beats Federer or Djokovic, it doesn’t count like it would on grass or hardcourts. It’s not his fault he is so dominant on one surface. More dominant than any player on any surface. Clay courts still count as a tennis court. Nole is my favorite player, but I will never go as far as saying Nadal is his pigeon. Nadal could easily win at the French Open this year and deny Nole of getting his first French Open title. I don’t think anyone would be calling Nadal Djokovic’s pigeon if this happens. All Nole supporters will feel is pain again for another failed attempt against the best clay court player of all-time. I would not be surprised if Nole lost to Nadal this year at the French again. If they play each other, it’s going to be anything but routine for Nole to win that match.


Jun Says:

I think Andy has advantage in tomorrow’s final. After 2 gruelling matches in a row vs Rafa and Kei, I don’t think Novak will have enough to beat Andy tomorrow. It’s hard enough with normal rest.

Andy in 2.


lakie Says:

Djokovic could not defeat Fedal when they were at their peak so neither Fed nor Nadal can be considered Djokovic’s pigeon no matter how many times he beats them now. If anything he was Federer’s pigeon when Fed was at his peak.


Jack Lewis Says:

Djoko didn’t have to do much in that last tie break to get the win. Nishikori just took a little longer to choke than usual, he even got me doubting that he would, but no, that tiebreak was him doing what he does best.


Jun Says:

There’s no debate about this — rehash makes for funny entertainment.

Try a little harder next time, like you really mean it.


mat4 Says:

Although this is quite debatable, honestly, while grand slams victories matters, they’re not the alpha and omega of tennis. Certain players just marked their epoch, and only in an American system, where everything is based on numbers, they can be put aside. Numbers are for those who don’t remember, and those who don’t know.

An example would be the case of Serena Williams. Although she has won a lot of slams, she started dominating a depleted field, when Hénin had retired, Sharapova never being the same after a shoulder injury, and no new stars rising. In my list of great champions in the Open Era, she will always remain behind Navratilova, Evert, Seles and Graff, who were the dominant players of their eras.

It’s the same in men’s tennis. Federer could have won only 14 slams, but there’s no comparison between him and Sampras, who played in a dysfunctional era of tennis, when the changing technology allowed players to win tournaments just serving their way through the field. While Pete was hugely helped by the technology of his era, a change — new strings — made him swiftly lose his edge. Federer played against technology from the very beginning.

And for me, Bjorn Borg remains in the same ballpark as Federer. He, too, was absolutely above the field. Had he focused on winning slams — he could have won twenty. And, to be honest, he is the clay goat, because nobody ever found an answer to his game, not even Ivan Lendl with a modern racquet.

When, last week, such a tennis legend like Rod Laver said Novak was in that same category of players, he said it for good reasons. Trophies are not the only thing that counts, but also against who, and how and when one wins them. Novak dominated his pairs since he improved his serve, despite all the “bad luck” he had in his career, so much that most of the fans felt that the whole field was in a kind of slump — Roger was older, Rafa slower, Andy had problems with his back, etc.

I watched many of their matches, and no such generalizations are possible. In Doha, e.g., Rafa played an excellent match, but he was just overwhelmed. But Rafa, with his fragile psyche, and with his propensity to expend too much emotional energy on the court is a special case. We saw tonight that despite many losses in a row, Nishi played his heart out, without trembling. And despite having been offered a set for free, despite facing a tired Novak playing his B- game, he still lost.

But achievements still matter. While Andy Murray is among the best players I have ever watched, the fact that he hasn’t won enough remains. So, for Novak, yes, he has to win a few more big tournaments, and this FO is crucial for his legacy. If he wins it, he can retire immediately after with a place in the pantheon of the greatest players of all times. It would be the what, when and how of a great career. Hope that he finally will.


Wog Boy Says:

Strange thing happened in the third set, on his service Nole hit FH and ball flew long way out, he didn’t realize that the string on his racquet got broken and that made ball flying wild. He was about to serve with the same racquet withou realizing that string was broken, he definitely was rattled. Lahyani was trying to warn Nole few times that string is broken and to change the racquet, until Nole finally realized.
Nishikori wasn’t happy with Lahyani interference, he wanted Nole to serve with the racquet with broken string.
I was never Nishikori’s fan, there is something in his demeanor that I just don’t like, now I am even less of his fan, he is second on my list “never to cheer for player”..:)


django Says:

Yeah, re Kei and broken string? What’s up with that?


Dave Says:

Wog Boy,

The announcers even said that it’s in the rule book that a player can’t start a point with a broken string. Lahyani is my favorite chairman by far. Nishikori also dropped an F-bomb when Djokovic was notified of the broken string.


mat4 Says:

@WB:

Kei is Japanese. It’s a different culture, that’s all.

Nole would have certainly seen, before serving, that three strings were broken on his racquet. Lahyani acted as a gentleman, doing what he had to do as an umpire, but acting friendly like he always does, lowering the tension such a match creates.


Dave Says:

mat4,

I am with you. I agree with you about this. I’m just saying that Nadal isn’t Nole’s pigeon. The rivalry isn’t that one sided. It’s still fairly close. Lately, he has been dominated yes. But in the 49 matches, many of them have been far from domination by either player.


Wog Boy Says:

mat4,

Disagree very much, I work with Japanese for 30 years, they are my regular customers (with Getmans by far best customers) and Kei’s behaviour had nothing to do with Japanese customs, on the contrary.

Check that game (one when Kei broke back) and you will see that Nole didn’t have a clue string is broken and was just about to serve.


Wog Boy Says:

^^ “Germans”


mat4 Says:

@WB:

OK, I trust you on this. But I would like to know, how usually Japanese react to such situations?

@Dave:

Oh, it’s not that close cut, and I don’t think I am completely objective, so, yes, I agree with you on this. Sometimes, it’s just a question of perception. But here, we also should not forget that their careers are not over. They still play and still forge their legacies. Let’s wait and see.

Finally, the goat and pidgeon thingy — it’s witty, but those are only words.


BBB Says:

Mat, I agree with you that the assessment of GOAT can be complex.

I consider Dkojovic a wonderful sportsman, but he was testy out there when Kei was whining about a first serve earlier in the second set. Seemed unusual. And given Kei’s response to Djokovic’s broken string, maybe there’s a reason Djokovic was testy. Disappointing – I thought Kei was better than that.

Mat, I don’t agree that it’s a different culture and that accounts for his reaction. A true sportsman doesn’t want to win a point against someone with a broken string. And Wog Boy, I agree with you – I find Kei’s reaction inconsistent with my experience with the Japanese. On the other hand, Kei does live in Florida.. :)


Wog Boy Says:

mat5,

I don’t want to look at his reaction through his background (nationality) but through him as sportsperson and tennis player, fair play. Nationality has nothing to do with that, anyway he plays western sport, so to say, lives in the west most of the time, coached by westerners and westernized himself..”F” bombs dropping on regular basis.
As for Japanese, very polite, great manners, quite, apologetic, always on time, don’t swear …I can go on for hours like this.


BBB Says:

Mat, there isn’t any reason anyone out there shouldn’t behave as well as Andy did when Novak was given a time violation for Andy’s own delay. Sportsmanship is sportsmanship. Andy in fact went above and beyond, whereas Kei simply needed to keep his mouth shut.


Wog Boy Says:

BBB,

If I’ve seen your post, I wouldn’t write mine, you said it better.


Dave Says:

I love the Japanese culture and have a friend who is from Japan and also have a friend that lived in Japan. Kei doesn’t represent the culture of Japanese people. That’s why it can be so misleading when there is 1 person from a certain country and that is the one person that you see the majority of the time. If you identify them from that country and with that country, you will always get a misrepresentation of that country, especially if they set a bad example. There are good people and bad people from every single country in the world.


Dave Says:

I am not saying Kei is a good or bad person. I won’t pass judgement. Just that he doesn’t represent the behavior of every single Japanese person or the Japanese culture as a whole.


BBB Says:

Wog Boy, you and I agree often.


mat4 Says:

If I remember well, there was a critical moment when Novak got a warning and then went to make excuses to the ball kid. The camera showed Novak then, so I don’t know what Kei said, but Novak answered that Kei can have a first serve. In fact, he said — although I could be wrong — “Kei, first serve! First serve!”

I don’t know if it was his to say, but I acknowledged that he delayed the server, throwing him out of his rhythm.


Okiegal Says:

Wog, who is 1st on your list you don’t cheer for? Lol


BBB Says:

Yes, Mat. Kei wanted a first serve because of the delay, and frankly he was right. But Djokovic’s reaction was atypical. I find he’s usually very sporting, but he exhibited real frustration with Kei (or that’s what it seemed to me).


Okiegal Says:

©mat4….The commentators said Kei asked the umpire if it was a first serve. Why Kei asked that question….I’m not sure……then Novak made his remarks to the official….


Okiegal Says:

Sorry…BBB got my comment in too late….you answered the question already….


Okiegal Says:

I also thought Novak said give him the point?? Did anyone else hear that? Novak was given the warning because he almost hit a ball kid…..causing the delay….he apologized to the kid…..


Dave Says:

BBB,

I’m with Nole on this actually. I thought it was a nice gesture to make sure the ball boy was okay. I thought that was a nice moment actually. It was a way to right his wrong. I thought he did that well. It doesn’t have to be so black and white with the delay and it has to be a first serve. It’s reasonable to let a player give a nice gesture like that, which really only took a few seconds. I don’t think that most players would have asked for a first serve in that situation. Maybe I am wrong. Del potro stops and talks with people and jokes around lots and it’s very endearing and people like it and no one talks about a delay. In a nice gestured situation, who cares about getting a first serve for a few second delay. There is black and white thinking and there is reasonable thinking. I am not with the black and white thinking on this one.


roy Says:

”But Djokovic seems to be immune to fatigue”

Hm. You do have to wonder. Even in nadal’s prime there were numerous cases of him having epic 3hr+ matches in 3 set tournaments and being hapless the next match, even getting destroyed. Djokovic though …


Dave Says:

I thought I heard Nole say give him the point as well. It was almost like saying: If your going to make a fuss about getting a first serve and if this delay is such a big deal to you, take the point for all I care. That’s how I interpreted it.


Okiegal Says:

Did Kei say something about the broken string? The camera got a shot of him and he had sort of a smile on his face…don’t know him well enough to tell if it was a smirky grin …..but I did not hear him say anything…I would have wanted Novak to serve with a broken string too….lol….just saying. But also the commentators made a statement that Novak thought the ball he struck was a dead ball…..that is when Mohammed told him he had a broken string and he almost did not get Novak to realise he had the broken string. Novak looked very surprised by that……


Okiegal Says:

Me too Dave….^^^^^^


Dave Says:

Nishikori swore when Djokovic found out he had a broken string.


Okiegal Says:

None of these great players are anyone’s pigeon….I hate that phrase……


Okiegal Says:

Thanks Dave….I did not hear that. The commentators said Kei might have been put off by Mohammed letting the cat out of the bag….so to speak!! Lol🐈🐈


Okiegal Says:

I missed the first set and the commentators said that Novak was “barking” at his box and the ball kids. They talked like he was very testy in the first set…..I will get to watch it again and judge for myself.


mat4 Says:

Novak looked flat, it was cold and his muscles, after the previous match, were aching, he hurt his ankle, and Kei played great, attacking tennis.

But, when I think about Kei’s presser before their AO match… “Yeah, I’m ready to beat him. Yeah.” He was given a whole set to start with, and Novak simply couldn’t convert a BP, not even at 0-40. Nonetheless, Kei was lucky to avoid a breadstick in the third.

So, yeah, he has some thinking to do.


jalep Says:

Geez, I just don’t relate. Completely blown out of proportion about Kei, imo. Okay. I’m done here.


Wog Boy Says:

_____
roy Says:
”But Djokovic seems to be immune to fatigue”

Hm. You do have to wonder. Even in nadal’s prime there were numerous cases of him having epic 3hr+ matches in 3 set tournaments and being hapless the next match, even getting destroyed. Djokovic though …
_____

I don’t have a doubt in my mind that Russians are supplying Nole with some undetectable stuff…that’s where his endurance comes from..


Margot Says:

Me too jalep. I thought it was a thrilling, to the wire, match and big congratulations to both players. The crowd certainly got their money’s worth, unlike with the other one…;)
Meanwhile, come on Birthday Boy, strut your stuff.
BTW conditions don’t favour Andy, what’s with that? Doesn’t like cold and wet. Surprising I know, as he comes from Scotland.
Sorry, Kath, had to get that in somewhere….:)


Green Lady Says:

Happy Birthday Andy Murray, now win the title, preferably the French open though ;-)) ….


Green Lady Says:

Im afraid i respectfully dont agree with Michael, when he says Novak deserves to win the FO, as lifes not like like that, you get what you earn not what you deserve, if we say that we could say the same about Andy winning the AO, having been in so many finals, or all the other players on tour when it comes to winning titles ….


Pauly Says:

No one is anyone’s pidgeon it’s tennis
Not French cooking


Pauly Says:

Djokovic has a great diet
No gluten
No refined sugar
He’s clean


danica Says:

Happy Birthday to Andy!!!

As far as the match is concerned, I would think that Andy has more chances. He had half a day more for rest, got his job done in less than an hour and spent half the time less on court during the tournament than Nole. Nole had three tough back to back matches, four even. But the last three were energy sapping. Andy’s gonna be fresh as a bunch of daisies.

I really think it’s Andy’s time. However, Nole may pull the energy from his reserves and fight to the end, like yesterday. Hope the ankle is ok. We’ll see.


danica Says:

“Djokovic could not defeat Fedal when they were at their peak …”
Sorry but Nole was beating Fedal as early as 2007. And that was Nole battling his health issues. On the other side, Fedal can’t beat Nole at his peak.


George Says:

@roy: I know what it is. I think that Djokovic is protected by a powerful Serbian political lobby. In addition, commercial interests of multinationals like Nike, Rolex, Moet etc. can’t allow him to fail. He is so popular on major markets (USA in particular)to the extent that his fall would lead to widespread riots, which clearly can’t be allowed. For business and political reasons major powers in tennis just love to see a Serbian guy as the ATP No1 and (potential) GOAT.


danica Says:

Well said George :))


danica Says:

Btw, you forgot to mention Serbian mafia (including but not limited to those that sit in Nole’s box :) )


gee Says:

The lack of hawkeye led to Nadal losing the Miami ’05 third set Tiebreak.

Roger Fredrum didn’t deserve that win.
He also benefited from another stolen point In ’04.
Break point conversion should’ve been had by (30/40 third set) Agassi in Indian wells Qf.
Ironically, physical tennis saved Fed’s head to head records.
It certainly wasn’t far superior intellect.
That’s why His Pigeons Are angry that 2002-2006 era was called weakest ever.

He was very aware that Nole was a late bloomer, but capable of dominating everyone.
Nole knew Roddick was an idiot with a predictable serve & copied that exhausting joke serve.
Feddick obviously hated that because someone had the brains to laugh at the weak era sycophants with fake rivalries & fraud sportsmanship awards.
Roddick said he was a second level player, yet he had no net skill and had a washed up “career”.
Fed didn’t see anything good about Wawrinka, so he didn’t play Important Davis Cup Ties in 2005-2010.
It’s Embarrassing to see Stan destroy Roddick the so-called hall of famer..


J-Kath Says:

Wogboy

The Japanese kami-kaze became an Australian boomerang.

Margot
Of course. It’s so costly here in Scotland keeping the air conditioners going virtually all year…
……sometimes I envy the Welsh and their all-year-round coal fires….

So who is going to win today? Nole’s had a pre-FO warm-up by having to play a 3-setter, while Andy had a stroll in the park……it’s no use saying Nole will be weary, he’ll be pumped up. Andy will be stoic but what he really needs is his A+ game. May the best man lose today.


Travis Bickle Says:

J-Kath,

Be careful what you wish for.
Andy was ‘best man’ at his brother wedding in 2010.


J-Kath Says:

Travis

Good try. Mine was meant to be a double entendre…I’m sure you got it without me spelling it out…I fear the wrath of WogBoy et al….

PS: I wish Margot would hurry up and get her insult in…I’ve got loads of paper-work to do….


Wog Boy Says:

JK,

Nishikori ended up like boomerang in this song, “My Boomerang Won’t Come Back”:

https://youtu.be/_prtbj4MtDU


BBB Says:

Dave – you might be right. I agree with you that it was the right thing for Novak to acknowledge the ball boy. I thought the delay had more to do with the debate over the warning than the extra time for making peace with the boy, but in retrospect I see your point.


kriket Says:

Did anyone notice that Novak gave a point to Kei straight away when he served an ace but was called out by the linesman. The point was to be repeated but Đoko said it’s Kei’s point.
After that Kei should have shown his appreciation of Novak’s sportsmanship, instead he behaved like he did, which is unbecoming.


Ronn Says:

There’s no doubt who the top dog is here but if Andy can’t beat a worn out and tired Djokovic now then when can he? Djoko had the perfect opportunity to “lose” after hurting his ankle against the Energizer Bunny but he decided to soldier on and I hope it doesn’t come back to haunt him. Why does he need Rome anyway? He’s already won there 4 times so why exhaust himself right before the French? Again, I hope this decision doesn’t come back to haunt him…


Ronn Says:

For all you guys wondering about what Djoko said, yes, he did say give the Energizer Bunny the point and he said that because Kei was making a fuss about Djoko taking time which was not very sportsmanlike, in my opinion. I think the same as Wog Boy. There’s something about Kei that I just don’t like. He seems to be arrogant and a bit spiteful in a subtle way and I always root for him to lose…


Pauly Says:

Murray surely must win he’s had easiest run
Djokovic will teach him a lesson however
Can’t see him losing to Murray
The big prize is coming
Roland Garros
Very interesting times coming hopefully the tennis will be special


Margot Says:

Oh Lol see the “worn out and tired Djokovich” card is being played rather early in the game, before the match has even started in fact, and do I also spy the “cup cake draw” card?
Glad to see all those ********* ready chaps ad chapesses in the unlikely event Andy might um, um….win….
Kath: can’t get back to you right now, too busy trying to light this darn fire, but so tricky with the rain pouring through the holes in the peat roof. Tho. must say, this is grand prep for living in courbon’s yurt.


J-Kath Says:

Margot

Been waiting for my once-a-day very audible chuckle. Thanks. Now I can get back to writing nasty letters to some very deserving people.

There’s a few very deserving people on this thread too….I’ll get my private detective to sniff them out and deal with them in his unforgiving fashion.


calmdownplease Says:

‘unlikely event’ Margot?

It is most certainly not ‘unlikely’.
He has never had a better shot than he has now, frankly. Although he is a untested this week, he has been playing better and better this clay season.
I remember Andy serving for it when in 2011 with all the (Deserved hype) hype about Novak’s ascension, he has more confidence now.

Novak has been dropping sets all week and Nishi got very close
Andy will close the gap finally Today
He’s ready!
Andy in 3 to make the FO interesting!
Although I doubt it will not be a huge factor going on.


calmdownplease Says:

yeessh sorry for the typos grammar etc


Giles Says:

Just a reminder – Andy has never won a tennis match on his birthday.


Ronn Says:

Dearest Margot:

Andy’s opponents…

Mikhail Kukushkin- ranked 87
Jeremy Chardy- ranked 32
David Goffin- ranked 13
Lucas Pouille- ranked 52

Need I say more? LMAO!


J-Kath Says:

CDP:
I know you meant well but I don’t know what’s worse:

assuming a win today on the basis of facing a “tired” opponent?
and/or
if there is a win it won’t really count as a “huge factor” in the future.

……I daren’t ask what will be the view if there isn’t a win?


skeezer Says:

Meanwhile…..Andy is quietly having a good Clay court season, and some here don’t like players who DO certain things. Do what? Don’t say thank you? You should be enjoying there tennis abilities not their table manners. Give it a rest, reading this jabberwocky is getting old, fake, and arrogant.


Colin Says:

The people who love to award asterisks to Andy’s big victories should reflect that in at least one instance (Wimbledon) the symbol could well be attached to Nole’s semi-final win over Del Potro. When Delpo fell heavily, twisting his already injured knee, it was painful to watch, and anyone less stoical would have been stretchered off court. If a player of Nole’s status made hard work of beating a cripple, he didn’t “deserve” the win.


J-Kath Says:

WogBoy

Thanks for the Boomerang video and the Aussie Birthday…enjoyed.

Skeezer
Agree. Certainly is arrogant……. and Selective!


Margot Says:

Dearest Ronn:
Didn’t realise we were such….ahem….intimate terms, petal,
the “luck of the draw” evens out IMnotsoHO. But don’t get me started


Margot Says:

….on scheduling.
Thanks for that Wog Boy. I smiled through my tears.
Indeed Kath, a veritable paradox.
CDP: us Murray fans expect the very worst, remember. Thus we are never disappointed.


calmdownplease Says:

Can someone translate skeezers post for me please, or do I have to read the entire thread to get the gist of it?!

Well JK, the fact is that Novak will be tired
But Andy will also be untested!
In short it means both parties have workable excuses to come away with.
M’Kay?
So enjoy the match & don’t sweat it dear!
But really, and FFS, Andy should eke a win Today
Get yer finger out Muzz enough of the teenage angst,
you’re nearly 30!
Save tennis!
It’s big boy time for you this Summer.
Or will you be the mummy’s boy, maid of honour, also ran, etc forever more?
Oopps I may have not helped JK’s nerves with this post after all.
;0)


calmdownplease Says:

‘CDP: us Murray fans expect the very worst, remember. Thus we are never disappointed’

I know darling that’s why you can say with confidence that an ex fed fan like RZ is more of a fan than I am now
You’re right because I am not anymore!
;0)
It’s too frustrating to root for Andy nowadays!
So now I am not anxious at all
And it’s just better!


calmdownplease Says:

‘I daren’t ask what will be the view if there isn’t a win?’

If it is very close, it will be very positive for a 5 setter at the FO.
Although I had a few friends at FO last year and the word from them was that Andy literally handed over the fifth set to Novak and it was a weird thing to see, given what had occurred in the 4th.
Andy’s problem with Novak is more mentalist (like Nadal)
Not mental or physical stamina.
That 5 setter last year was over 2 days, so there was time to recover and give it his all in the fifth but well that isn’t what happened.
Wining here would be HUGE for Andy’s confidence and this problem
(Or even getting closer).


Vami Says:

This thread made me change my opinion on Kei. Thanks WG.

Today’s final BTW feels flat (to me at least) even before it started. Andy’ll be the one under more pressure to win. It’s already “if he can’t beat this tired and wounded Novak…”, he really needs this one. For Novak any outcome but hurting himself before RG (hitting himself with his racket, that could happen only to him?) or being blown away “Belluci style”, would work. Novak would of course like to win, make more money (they actually get paid if you forgot), reach 30th masters…, but that will all come one day. RG? That’s on the other hand not a sure thing.

A great thing about the yesterday’s match is that Novak didn’t exhaust himself mentally. Physically yes, but that’s much easier to recoup. His first 3 matches were a total hell mentally, yesterday both outcomes worked, just as today. For a top athlete playing a high intensity 3h match is okay. This is too much to comprehend for some people and perhaps “tanking” was a wrong choice of words but he didn’t commit himself 100% with Kei, and I as a spectator felt the same. It was an entertaining match but I unusually didn’t care too much about the outcome. But at RG every match will count and I’ll be nervous as hell. Novak will need some luck in the draw like everybody else.


Dave Says:

I really don’t feel like winning Rome for Nole will make a difference this year. He has won it 4 times and then never gone on to win the French Open. Also, The French is played over 15 days and you never have to play back to back days. Nole will have a week off between tournaments. He will be fine for rest. He will get through some of his early round matches fairly quickly, which will feel like a normal practice session. I think Nole is pumped for the French Open and will go for it for sure.


anki Says:

Wow, what a match yesterday. Nishikori pushed Novak to the limit. He doesn’t miss much at all, excellent BH too. Novak, lmao what a clown, hitting himself on the ankle early on, got me worried a bit. What a battle in the third set and choking too by Novak. He has looked nervous in the last few matches. Pressure of RG getting to him obvio. Novak is no way going to challenge Murray today, after the two marathon matches he had back to back. Congratulations Murray for winning the title. Looking forward to RG.


Honfleuraise Says:

Margot: I’m rather hoping Andy gets his next win over Nole at RG than now. That would put a few of the tiresome commies in their place. Like you say though, keeping expectations low makes for a nice surprise when it does happen. For what it’s worth I have good feelings about the rest of his season although I’m not expecting a 2nd gold in Rio.


Okiegal Says:

Why in the world is Kei getting picked on….Kei arrogant and Novak not?? Give me a break. Kei is finally being a little more assertive is all. I think he has always been very reserved on court….I don’t understand all of this just like jalep…….

Cmon Andy….oh and happy birthday!!


Dave Says:

I can’t believe that the odds are 3 to 1 for Andy to win and 1.40 to 1 for Nole to win. I thought for sure that they would be much closer to even if anything. I guess they think the psychological advantage that Nole has over Murray will win out in the end and not Physical freshness. Maybe Nole has more in the tank than we think. I was actually hoping for a rain delay today to give Nole a few more hours of rest.


Dave Says:

Oh, there is a rain delay in the men’s doubles final now. Does the doubles final have to be finished before Nole vs Murray starts? If so, there is no way the players will be coming on court in the next 43 minutes to start on time.


Okiegal Says:

He didn’t commit himself 100% playing Kei….are you kidding me??? Novak was fighting hard to win that match, unless you are thinking he purposefully hit his foot with the racquet to cause injury to be able to withdraw?? Tanking is a asinine assumption, in regard to tanking talk way up there in this thread. He wants to win too bad for that. I will admit I did not understand how he got bageled when playing Belli……


Okiegal Says:

should be an asinine assumption…..I know better…


Okiegal Says:

The size of the rest does matter………


Dave Says:

Okiegal,

I agree. So Nole decided to tank for a while during the match so he would have to play for over 3 hours. That makes zero sense. So now because he tanked, he made it harder on himself for today. Why would he do that? What’s the logic behind that? Nole is known to start hitting his shots and playing better when his back is against the wall. Federer at the U.S. Open down 2 sets to 0 and comes back and wins in 5. It’s happened lots with Nole. It can be frustrating to watch, but that’s how Nole is.


Okiegal Says:

Okie is off to church…….oh, I think I heard a “hallelujah”
from across the vast pond……lol!


Okiegal Says:

Dave…..exactly….thank you!! Makes no sense……no reputable player would do that……


Ronn Says:

Dearest Margot,

The boys are warming up now so enjoy the match. We’ll find out soon enuff who comes out on top but for me, this match is meaningless for Djoko and the French is what really counts…


skeezer Says:

I would be very surprised, as fit as Nole is, that he would be “tired” for this match. Junior tournaments would have you playing 2 singles match and a doubles match…..in a day ( 2/3)! So he knows the drill, and he is arguably the fittest guy on tour.
These guys are fit enough to easily play 3 sets a day, no problem. He may start of a little slow as a result, but there is nothing new there for Nole’s game, no?
Sides, he will get from his large team; some physio, massage, yoga, a gluten free protein shake ( and whatever non-ped stuff ), and kiss from new wife to get him ready to go for today. A non issue.


lakie Says:

danica
most of the time Djokovic was beaten by Fedal at their peak. Not all the time. That still makes Djokovic their pigeon, especially Federer’s.


lakie Says:

skeezer, not to forget kiss from Stefan (?) future no. #1 in tennis.


Daniel Says:

Murray needs first set, he never beat Djoko after losing first set.

He almost break with a return winner that was out by an inch.


Daniel Says:

Murray missed the easiest shot. Why Djoko didn’t come to net to volley after those inside out FH?! HE is hardly coming to net at all this clay season


Daniel Says:

After a few BP’s and easy UE by Murray Djoko holds.

Starting to drop rain in Rome


chrisford1 Says:

In other news at Internazionali NL D’Italia, Hingis&Mirza beat a couple ‘Ovas for the doubles title. And Serena won over a horsey-looking competitor yet again. A victory over American Pharoah in Sports Illustrated 2005′s “Sportsperson of the Year”, now one over Madison Keys.


Green Lady Says:

I dont believe this match is meaningless, if Murray wins this title, it could be a good stepping stone to him winning the FO ? ….


Daniel Says:

Djoko Djoko, imagine if it was a despoilment old lady? Luck it was close and the guy caught the racquet.

Taht is why you never though the racquet straight, always on it’s side;-)


Ron Smith Says:

Murphy is playing really well. Nole not so much. Nole needs to play more aggressive and stop hitting so many bailout drop shots.


Giles Says:

This barbarian is incorrigible. Another racket in the air which goes into the crowd was a hair’s breath away from him being disqualified.


chrisford1 Says:

Lakie to danica
most of the time Djokovic was beaten by Fedal at their peak. Not all the time. That still makes Djokovic their pigeon, especially Federer’s.

==============
That’s absurd. You have three great athletes with out of phase peak years. Not born at the same time, plus Djokovic missed a year in tennis prep due to war and much of the “juniors circuit” due to lack of sponsors in post war Serbia.

I don’t think you understand what a pigeon or pushover is. Nor how competition works as the pipeline feeds younger athletes into the sport in discussion.

Rafa is no one’s pigeon. Nor is Djokovic. You need a really lopsided H2H for that in tennis, like Rafa’s record over Ferru or Novak’s over Berdych.


chrisford1 Says:

Following the latest all UniQlo high stakes contest, it’s owner, the richest man in Japan, may call on Kei for more respect and humility when engaging the great Djoko-Ru.
I echo past comments here that Nishikori came across as a little nasty and insecure in the Rome semi. He played very well, but in terms of attitude and demeanor, it was not his finest hour. Perhaps his loss may become a character-building exercise, though it is just the latest of 7 in a row to Djokovic.
Learn grasshopper. See the way to grace.


Daniel Says:

Murray serving for the set.

Won’t be able to watch the end of match, catch up later. But if Murray indeed hold and closet set 1 he will be ready for his first win on clay over Djoko and add more intrigue for Garros.

All three favorites winning a clay masters and Djoko and Murray getting wins over each other plus wins over Nadal as well.


lakie Says:

chrisford1 I did not start the pigeon conversation. You know who did. I just let those jokers know two can play at their game.
I agree with your view of pigeons. I have immense respect for all four and think it is sacrilegious to describe anyone of them as a pigeon.


J-Kath Says:

Had a gander at the Guardian’s view of the match and thought I’d share what made me chuckle in the intro.

“If Novak wins today, he’ll become the first tennis player to make more than $100m in career prize money. Poor old Andy is stuck back in fourth place in a piddling $44m – he’s got a daughter to feed too. This year’s women’s Italian Open champions, Serena Williams, leads the WTA list with just over $75m.”


BBB Says:

WTH is going on with Djokovic’s bad mood! It’s been like this all week.

Andy playing very well.


lakie Says:

Murray won the first set. Hope he wraps it up in 2 sets. A Murray win will be popular because:
To people like me: It will relieve the monotony
To Andy fans: They love Andy
To Djokovic fans: They think a Djokovic loss at Rome will improve his prospects at RG.
To Fed fans: They couldn’t care less. They no longer watch tennis.


lakie Says:

To Nadal fans: They love Andy when Nadal is not in contention


Anto Says:

Andy up a break in the second set .. Can he hold now..??


Green Lady Says:

Lakie who is your favorite, im curious ? ….


BBB Says:

lakie – that is hilarious, and also true.


Giles Says:

Joker is preoccupied with RG! Lol. Hence the bad mood me thinks. Too much pressure and I hope the pressure increases even more. Hope he explodes. Lol 👺🙀💀💩😷😓🤐😣👎


Anto Says:

Even though I am a nadal fan, I dont mind djokovic winning this. But for tennis’s sake i would love to see Andy win this


Dave Says:

No gas left in the tank for Nole. I would be shocked at this stage if Murray doesn’t win in straight sets. Nole looks done at this point. Can’t pull out any reserves.


Anto Says:

Also a win for Andy will give confidence to not only him but also for others that “Djokovic is beatable”


BBB Says:

Dave, he doesn’t look tired to me. But maybe he’s out of gas mentally.


BBB Says:

Amazing point! Happy birthday Andy.


Okiegal Says:

Novak fussing about playing on in the rain…..but at the French Open when playing Rafa and he was ahead he wanted to play on……..Rafa didn’t…..It is according to one’s situation at the time…..


Anto Says:

Congrats Andy and his fans ..


lakie Says:

GL, I maybe an objective fan. My Dad was one but with the internet explosion I often find myself warming to the players or posters who are under attack by trolls. But if I dissociate the players from their fan bases, I admire and love all four. Sometimes I love one more, sometimes the other.


J-Kath Says:

Annnnndyyyy….Very Happy Birthday.


kriket Says:

Congrats to Murray and his fans. At last some happiness goes their way :)
Not to take away anything from Murray’s victory but I think Đoko didn’t exactly try too hard to win this. Nevertheless, Andy played very well, and he might have won even if Đoko tried his best today.


Giles Says:

Take that joker fans. Well done Andy.
😜😜😜😜😜😜😜😜😜😜😜😜😜


FedExpress Says:

Hhahahah kriket.tried not his best. he couldnt produce his best all tournament.

and when he didnt try why then compete in this tournament


lakie Says:

Happy for everyone including me! A good start for Andy’s year. Hope he wins at least one slam before his next birthday!


Green Lady Says:

Lakie well said, another question, have you been here before, you sound familiar, im thinking Cindy Brady, another female poster whom i did get along well with, but certainly didnt take any prisoners ? ….


Okiegal Says:

@TX Staff…..Get that match point on video quickly….it was a beauty!! How Andy made that one, I’ll never know….a tremendous get! Happy for loyal Andy fans…..I am glad he won, my second fave!!

Commies to Novak fans it was bound to happen at some point. Novak is a great champion but it was just Andy’s day today!!


kriket Says:

FedExpress, take it however you like. To me it looked as if he didn’t care too much whether he wins or loses this match. I’m not trying to take anything away from Andy’s victory, he played very well no matter Đoko’s attitude. As I’ve already said, he might’ve won even if Đoko was playing to win.


Travis Bickle Says:

Congrats to Andy! He played really well and served decently, especially under pressure.
He doesn’t seem super delighted though. Nor does Novak seem disappointed.


BBB Says:

Eh, Djokovic was ragey out there, and if he didn’t care, I don’t think he would have been so ill-tempered.


Anto Says:

@TB cos this aint the big prize .. :-P


kriket Says:

He might have been ragey as you say because he felt he couldn’t give it his best.


Giles Says:

Hey joker. Hope there will be many more runner up plates to come for you. Or better still no trophies and no runner up plates. Have a lovely evening with your mad parents! Lol


Green Lady Says:

Yeah sorry to the nice Novak fans, WB, Mat4, Courbon, Jane, Dave, Danica, Jalep as i single these fans out the most, it wasnt his day today, and its not often Novak has an off day ….

Congrats to Andy and fans J-Kath and Margot, he played really well today, and was a deserved winner ….

On to RG, and Andy may have put some doubt in Novaks mind, and could be a dark horse to win the FO, and i sure hope so ;-))….


BBB Says:

Kriket, there I agree with you – he was off today. But I don’t think he phoned it in. I think he tried and just didn’t have it. But I don’t read that much into it. He played several wicked matches in a row.


Okiegal Says:

They are playing the song “Oh Happy day when Jesus washed your sins away…..I’m good with that! Good job, Andrew!!


Okiegal Says:

Good on Serena and Novak…..good language skills….how do they even have time for that???


mat4 Says:

GL:

No reason to be sorry. That’s sport. Then, our glass, just like the glass of Rafans, is way more than half-full. Our man played the final, he lost deservedly, so kudos to Andy for a great match point and a wisely played match.

The only thing to be sorry for is the scheduling, the bad weather, that caused the tennis in the final to be under the usual level of both players.


kriket Says:

Green Lady, I don’t think this match will change anything in terms of Novak’s mental attitude. He is fully aware that he can lose to Andy if he’s not playing his A-game, hell, he can lose even with his A-game. So it’s not like he learnt something new today, that he didn’t already know. I don’t think this match will have any reprecussions on their attitude going into RG. Maybe a little confidende boost to Andy, but otherwise no big changes.


mat4 Says:

On the other side, I don’t understand why Novak was so nervous. He should have behaved better. I know that the lines were wet and that he was probably afraid of an injury, but it was the same for Andy. I also understand that fatigue is a big factor in the way somebody feels, but he’s almost 29, and it’s not the first time he plays under such conditions.


Margot Says:

Phew! About bloody time and u can *************************** it as much as you like, I don’t care! b/>
Hope you’re a happy chappy CDP.
Hugs to many nice Nole fans. We know, only too well alas, how you feel.
Even bigger hugs to Kath, RZ, even CDP and second stringers like OK and GL.


J-Kath Says:

As one of only 3 Andy fans + CDP & special category GL/Okie, I would like to thank for congratulations: Anto/Lakie/Honfleuraise/Kriket/even Giles and FedExpress…

and to Travis also…maybe he was waiting for a birthday cake??? or a rendering of “Scots Wha Hey”. And congrats too to Novak…he’s a blooming miracle 99% of the time.


Margot Says:

Oh sorry did not mean to bold everything. Windows 10 playing up as usual.


Honfleuraise Says:

Margot: Who’s a happy bunny today :-)

Have to say I enjoyed watching the bad tempered No.1 get his come uppance. Muzza did a brilliant job today in spite of all the playacting on the other side of the net.


Green Lady Says:

Kriket true, i just think as you say it gives Murray a confidence boost and a little more incentive, nothing has changed for Novak, but it certainly has for Andy, and a little more added excitement ahead of RG, not saying Novak will or wont win the FO, as i dont know, and RG is a different animal being best of five sets, so all bets are off ….


RZ Says:

@CDP and Margot – you are right it can be frustrating. It was a lot easier to be a Fed fan 10 years ago or even 5 years ago than it has ever been to be a Murray fan. But then there are days like today when the self-imposed (and Margot-enforced) ban on watching Andy play pays off.


J-Kath Says:

Hey Margot – You weren’t there when I started my bit….feels good, very good. Hi to you too RZ.


RZ Says:

Very happy for this result! And returning the hugs and congrats extended my way by fellow fans. Some data notes…with this win Murray moves into 5th place all by himself in the # of master titles owned. He was previously tied with Sampras. Also, despite the lopsided rivalry between Murray and Djokovic, their records in finals against each other is pretty close (Murray has 7, Djokovic has 9).


Travis Bickle Says:

I’ve stated before here that I really like Murray’s fans on this site, so enjoy it guys!

As for poor Djoker-haters, Green Lady, Lakie and Giles… congrats to you as well: Novak losing the final is the biggest win you’ve had this year.


RZ Says:

Hi J-K! 🏆🎾


Giles Says:

Where’s the guy from down under? Oops probably still under the sofa! Lol


J-Kath Says:

And thanks to BBB as well…always supportive.


J-Kath Says:

RZ…I’ve got the drink in my hot little hand and it’s going down fast.


Van Persie Says:

Congrats to Murray and his fans. Well done and deserved. He seems to do better without a coach :)


J-Kath Says:

Margot @ 1.18pm: Do you want me to believe you?


Green Lady Says:

Travis Bickle believe what you like as i dont really care, but for the last time im not a Novak hater, and thankfully the sensible Nole fans on this forum (ask any of them), have known me a long time and know me better than that, i dont even hate people in the real world, or in the virtual world not even you, even though your a total tool to put it politely, as its such a negative wasted emotion, you really have got serious problems my friend lol ….


Margot Says:

Hi Honfleureise, how nice to see you and ta.
Jumping up and down, still shaking lol, and doing some more waving to RZ and Kath.
Yes, those damn lows make the damn highs so worth while.
Robbie K was so full of praise for Andy’s courage and also his net play 13/17. Said that’s what did it cos you sure aren’t gonna beat Nole from the baseline.
Kath: a very good friend and I text each other during Andy’s matches, can’t multitask so don’t post.


BBB Says:

Mat4 – I don’t think it was the conditions. He’s been crabby all week. Even the commentators said they thought it was something off-court. I truly wonder if having his parents around is counterproductive. Pure speculation on my part.

J-Kath, you’re welcome! Andy is a stand-up guy.


J-Kath Says:

Gosh Margot…no problem…I rarely text during the match….just if I’m p…ss..d off, or full of glee.

May not be too available during FO – am at my sister’s in Argyll from 30th May on for about 9 days. But we’ll see. Surprising how much an Andy victory can help one’s well-being.

Cheers
K


Travis Bickle Says:

Mat4,

I think the main reason for Novak’s crankiness was the realization that a stacked draw (like last year FO and this Rome Masters) could indeed work against him. It was proven again that the best way to prevent Novak winning an important tournament on clay is to give him Rafa in Qf and some combination of Murray/Nishikori/Wawrinka in SF and Final. I think Novak is aware of that possibility for the upcoming FO and, while he keeps soldiering on, it bothers him mentally a great deal.

However, I am now convinced more than ever that he will do well in Paris next week. This was and excellent preparation – he beat all of his serious opponents in the last 7 days (Murray in Madrid, Nishikori twice, Rafa) and shown himself that physically he is where he should be. The week of rest will recharge him enough for Paris and afar that, the matches are every other day which helps him. And, today he removed that slight mental pressure of finals winning streak he had up until today.
All his shots are working, serve is better than last year, net play as well … really no reason not to feel 100% confident, even with the “fixed” draw at FO. With the fair draw (not good, just fair) his chances are even better.


Green Lady Says:

Mat4 indeed im a very happy Rafa fan, no matter what happens next, and if Novak surpasses him in career achievements im cool with that too, but thats another story and best saved for another time, as its Andy and his fans day, and been an Anglosaxon hes always been my second favorite, and its nothing to do with hating Novak, in spite of what some of your fellow fans think ….


RZ Says:

Another stat…this is the first time since 2004 that someone other than Nadal or Djokovic has won Rome. (Moya won in 2004)


Giles Says:

^^^^^ Geez! You do go on and on and on! Give it a rest please. 😷


jalep Says:

Margot,

Andy has a Rome title. Maahhvellous!! Oh so. It’s Andreas Murreno clay court goating time. 😄🏆🍾🐐👃🌹

Congrats Andy fans and I mean it!


courbon Says:

Congrats to all Andy fans! Well deserved win.
Margot-your Yurth is ready and is heated with the gas, so no worry about wet wood and leaking chimney…


Green Lady Says:

Courbon nice to see you here, sorry about your favorite ….


Vami Says:

Andy did well, he was very solid. It wasn’t his problem that Novak sucked, a win is a win. We’ll see how far he goes in RG. If he gets again Jerzy Janowicz in semis and Verdasco before that like in Wimbledon 2013 he might even win the whole thing. Sorry, I couldn’t resist.


jalep Says:

Oh, and Andy speaks Italian! “Ciao, Roma”
Adorable!

Proud of Nole. Gracious runner-up.
He’ll regroup. Thanks GL.


Wog Boy Says:

Just woke up and checking results (4:20am). Congrats to Andy’s and his fans, you can have your birthday cake now, well deserved win.

No need for any commiserations to my Nole fans, he did more than I expected him he would after winning Madrid. How often is that you have to beat best three clay court players to win the title, not really often if ever, one is ok, two is a lot and three is too much. Off to Paris, good luck Nole.

I have great respect for Nole parents, but I prefer to see Nole’s uncle Goran with him and Dijana and Srdjan can play with Stefan.

Now back to bed.😴😴


Green Lady Says:

Courbon i left you some posts to a reply you sent me yesterday on the Rafa v Novak Friday thread, just curious if you read them ? ….


Jun Says:

Congratulations are in order to Andy AND his fans. Very much a deserving champion!


mat4 Says:

@Travis:

The French police is investigating the work of the FFT. This year, the draw will be a honest one.

But it’s true that the draws are very predictable. I remember the year Soderling was no 4 and Andy no 5, they fell in the same quarter at the AO. Then, a few years after that, there was a big discussion about the biggest rivalry, everybody regretted that Federer and Nadal never played at the USO, and suddenly, they were stacked in the semi of the AO.

No need to mention Andy vs Rafa and Novak vs Fed in 15 of 16 GS in a row, when Andy was a bad match-up for Fed and Novak a bad match-up for Rafa on hard.


mat4 Says:

But anyway, Novak was whining too much.


courbon Says:

GL-Hi there.Sorry I have not read yesterdays post.Which tread?
Noneed to be sorry-Novak really p**ed me off with his behaviour today.Tired, nervous-lost the match-no problem, but when he behaves like that, it goes on my nerves.I always though he should skip the Rome if he plays Madrid, and specially with that draw…anyway, water under the bridge, let’s enjoy upcoming RG which now has 3 serious (Raf-And-Nov)contenders, 2 less serious ( Nishi and wawrinka ) and how knows what will happen…


Green Lady Says:

Courbon it was the Rafa v Novak Friday thread ….


courbon Says:

Sweat dreams Woggy…zzzzzzzzzzzz……zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz


Humble Rafa Says:

Humble will win the french by humbling everyone.


gee Says:

Was fed winning sportsmanship awards because he was a classy honest sweetheart as he claimed?
tt warehouse & mtfOrum were full of vile Fed mods so the fed floons thought they could pull the wool over djoker fan eyes regarding double standards & douche Lies.
the biggest frauds are so desperate when their idol fed fell off his pedestal & faked love for his opponents.
Sadly, it’s a good forum here. hahaha✨


Green Lady Says:

Novak lost his cool, and Andy kept his cool, makes a change ….


chrisford1 Says:

Congrats to Andy, his team and fans. Happy birthday, Laddie Boy!
Kind of a nice way to set the table for Roland Garros. 3 best present clay players each got a Masters leading up to RG. Rather Novak have won, but if he gets RG, it’s all good for him this clay season. Still has a shot for 5 or so Masters for the year, too.
And good for Andy, he’s back on the tally board with his 1st big trophy in a while..(Canada his last?)


Pauly Says:

Murray is playing great
Djokovic tired
Roll on to Paris


chrisford1 Says:

Gee – “Was fed winning sportsmanship awards because he was a classy honest sweetheart as he claimed?”.

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Fed is basically a nice guy in my opinion, but he has flaws glossed over the media would ride Novak or Andy on forver if it was them. He doesn’t appear to have any genuine fellow player fans except Chaudelli. And today marks 10 years since he was a visibly sore loser against Rafa in Rome. Well before his trashing of Novak following his 2011 USO choke, Fed was bashing Rafa. On court and at his presser Fed accused Rafa of cheating by getting help from Uncle Toni, and termed Rafa’s game far too simple and one-dimensional.
Rafa replied on hearing this, that Federer needed to learn to be gracious and a good sportsman when he loses…as well as when he wins.


SG1 Says:

Match of the year so far, Nishikori-Djokovic Rome semi. Individual performance of the year so far, Andy today. Just my opinion but the match between Kei and Novak was so epic and Murray today was simply off the charts.


jalep Says:

100% agree with that, SG1. @5:06


skeezer Says:

Fed won sportsmanship awards by his peers. Not by jealous haters who know nothing about the man, thank goodness. All this rant and jealous opinionated garbage means nothing.
Jealously makes you exposed, careful there. Try another subject, like what about the Murray – Nole final? Both whiners on the court.


SG1 Says:

Andy played a tactically perfect match. He dragged Novak to the net against Novak’s will. I’ve always thought that this would be an excellent tactic as Andy is better at the cat and mouse stuff than pretty much anyone else.


Green Lady Says:

Skeezer question, you said whiners on the court, did you really mean winners lol ….


skeezer Says:

For those not wrapped up lately in the Djokovic wonderment knew Murray was silently compiling a stellar Clay court season up to this point. Not surprised at all by the outcome, Murray has the physical tools to get the job done, and he is applying them well the last few months.


skeezer Says:

GL,
Both ;)


SG1 Says:

The other thing Andy did today was bag that first set. From that point forward, there wasn’t any wiggle room for Novak from a mental stand point.

I think Novak’s feeling a little pressure going into Paris right now. I think it’s why he’s been struggling a little lately. He’ll need a smooth, confidence building first week to right things.

I still think Novak’s gonna’ find a way and get the FO title this year but I also believe that he will be harshly tested before it’s all said and done. And I feel certain that Andy and Rafa (and perhaps even Stan) will all be there in the 2nd week to make things very, very interesting.


jalep Says:

Hey, I thanked you up-thread, GL? What, am I a ghost? Cheers.


SG1 Says:

Agree with Skeezer. And it’s not even the last few months. Andy has been one of the better clay court players for the past two seasons. Only a matter of time before he got the better of Novak as they’ve kept running into one another for a while know.


jalep Says:

It was well-played. The plan executed to perfection. I reckon going to a third set would have given Nole time to get back in it. Brilliant.


Green Lady Says:

Jalep sorry darling, no not at all, it slipped my mind eek, anyway i hope you enjoyed the match, even if it didnt go the way of your favorite, i think its made RG interesting, and the irony is i think Murrays under less pressure than he would be at SW19, so he could be a dark horse, time will tell ….


Green Lady Says:

BTW Will you be doing a bracket challenge Jalep, if you have time ? ….


Green Lady Says:

And your welcome ….


jalep Says:

Thanks, hope you enjoyed Andy’s win! GL.

Yes RG will be interesting. I’ve given up hope in Nole winning it. Will just enjoy the ride and see what happens. Have to admit tho, Rafa winning is redundant imo. But you’ll forgive me, I hope.

Wouldn’t surprise me I Rafa or Andy won.


jalep Says:

RZ or me? I vote RZ for bracket challenge administrator 😉 she’s better than me.


mat4 Says:

Novak couldn’t make it to a third set, and if, per chance, he had managed to win the second, he would have lost the third easily.

Andy adapted his strategy to the state of facts: he knew that every muscle in Novak body was aching, that he played on a slow surface, with humid balls, so after the first games he focused on his serve and waited for errors. That was the thing to do — Novak was bound to make errors, and his body language was clear.

The differences among the top players are tiny, and the draw here was very important.

BTW, Andy was the victim of similar circumstances at the USO 2008: he played a long, difficult semi through two days and was exhausted for the final, unable to play his best tennis against a player he owned then (he won two previous and the following four matches).


Green Lady Says:

Jalep nah nothing to forgive lol, i think Nole will bounce back and do well, hes very good at doing that, and i dont think Rafa can beat Nole over five sets anymore, but Andy seems to have really improved against Novak, but best of five is is a different animal, but who knows maybe Andy is due another GS,so like you ill just enjoy the ride ….


Green Lady Says:

Jalep i like both, but yours had pictures which was nice, although i think i need a better one ….


Green Lady Says:

I have to go to bed, as i need to get up early, Zzzzz night night Jalep, will chat some more tomorrow , CHEERS ;-)) ….


jalep Says:

That was Davis Cup Andy, GL. Committed, aggressive, boss = DC Andy.


jalep Says:

Okay bon nuit, GL!


RZ Says:

@Jalep and GL – I can set up the bracket challenge towards the end of the week. Which pic of Andy should I use – Christmas sweater? Ice bath? Rolling his eyes at Judy?


Dave Says:

The draw is going to play a huge part in who wins the French Open this year. If Nadal and Murray in the same half, as improved as Murray is on clay, I don’t see him beating Nadal at the French Open. I would be very surprised in the form Nadal is in. I am actually thinking this loss today will help Nole to take pressure off of himself and go in with a loss instead of on a big winning streak. He is very good at bouncing back after a loss. Nole will take care of his body from here on in. Today, Nole looked mentally off. He just wasn’t that sharp today and made wrong decisions at crucial times. Andy made all the right decisions at crucial times. Andy also didn’t let things get to him with the rain as much. I’m looking forward to the French Open this year. I really am. This will be fun to watch. I hope to see some great tennis.


Wog Boy Says:

Dave,

I said few days ago, well before final that streak (winning finals) is puting unnecessary pressure on Nole, and I wish he enters FO with no streak what just happened, I said the same thing at WTF when he lost to Roger in RR and ended up indoor winning streak that it was good takes pressure of Nole, which I was right, we know who won WTF.
As for match, I haven’t seen the match yet, started well after midnight local time (pretty much knew what would be outcome), but looking at the stats domething tells me that Nole underperform what was to be expected due to obvious reasons. Andy has only 48% serve in the first set and yet the best returner in the world couldn’t create one single break point. He did better in second when Andy’s serve was 76% , go figure?!

All together I am happy with Rome, another final after having to play three best CC players atm (apart of him) one after another, big task considering scheduling.


Dave Says:

Wog Boy,

Nole was offf today. Murray also played amazing. I won’t take anything away from him. Nole couldn’t play aggressive enough because his shots weren’t going in consistently enough. Murray was able to play aggressive and free the whole match. Nole was fighting within himself all match. He was in the worst mood yet. I haven’t seen him that consistently angry during any match in a very long time.


Dave Says:

Wog Boy,

Here are some comments from Nole.

“I had a long couple of weeks, especially the last couple of days. I knew it was going to be an uphill battle against Andy today,” Djokovic said. “I’m glad I managed to get to the final, because in a couple of matches I’ve had to come back from one-set deficits. All in all, it was very good two weeks after dropping out in Monte-Carlo early [against Jiri Vesely]. I needed this kind of results. I got what I was looking for, which is lot of matches.
“My confidence level is high because of the many matches that I have won this year on this surface and all the other surfaces, so I don’t feel that I’m doubtful or that I’m shaken up by this loss.”


Wog Boy Says:

Thanks Dave, that’s more or less how I feel about Nole…as long as Vesely is not in his half..;)


Dave Says:

Honestly,

It’s starts with one match at a time. Getting to the second week should be the first goal. Then getting to the final. Then go from there. Nole will be taking it one match at a time and won’t underestimate any opponent.


Dave Says:

When is the draw day and time? Does anyone know?


skeezer Says:

If Nole wants to continue to go for records he is going to have to manage his matches better. Yes he is winning most of them, but he is notorious for slow starts and he has been going to many full counts in matches. If he continues this trend at FO he could very likely be facing several 5 setters and then he’ll get bruised and battered for sure. The result? No FO.


Wog Boy Says:

Dave,

The main draw is on Friday 20th.


lakie Says:

GL, I am not Cindy Brady, never heard of her.


Wog Boy Says:

^^ I guess around midday local time.


James Says:

Djokovic is also 29 now – quite old by all standards upto a decade ago. With the amount he has played, it is clear that age is catching up and he can’t maintain the same form. It was clear right from the beginning in Rome that he was tired from Madrid.

Same thing happened at Monte Carlo – after the really tiring hard court swing in the US.

With a week off, he should be fine for the French. But a couple of long matches and any 29 year old will be off his A game. The advantage he has is there is no young player really threatening him that much. Nishikori just can’t get over the mental hump. Goffin perhaps, after his demolition of the Berd? But even Murray demolished him. Thiem? perhaps. Lets see.

What a top 5 right now. 29, 29, almost 35, 31, 30 (well, in a couple of weeks). That’s an average age of almost 31. I doubt if it has even been close to that in the open era before.

Now that’s lack of young competition. It’s clear that one of these old men will win the French (not the oldest one, perhaps one under 30).


Rick Says:

Told ya! Jokervic not “King Of Clay”. Rafa choked the other days. Otherwises would had won in two sets!


Dave Says:

Skeezer,

I honestly think that Nole was managing his schedule well and seemed to be doing well with starting out matches fast. It was when the clay season started that this started to get bad again. He lost a set in 2 masters 1000′s in Miami and Indian wells? He had the bad Simon match in Australia and cruised after that. He was amazing in Doha. WTF’s he was amazing when it counted. In China in both tournaments he was peaking. I think he is so tired of all of the pressure and talk about him winning the French Open. He isn’t doing well with the pressure anymore. It’s really starting to get to him. I have said this a few times that I really feel that if he can win 1 French Open, he will win it a few more times, because there will be no more pressure and he will be able to swing freely and it won’t matter anymore. This pressure is exhausting him. And I don’t feel very confident about Nole winning the French Open this year. I think he can make it to the final, but I feel that he will possibly be burned out again because of long, intense matches. There is a 50% chance he will have a brutal QF match against either an in form Nadal or in form Nishikori. A 50% chance that he will have Wawrinka in his half for a Semi-final match. Murray could have the same thing that just happened in Rome and be able to take an exhausted Nole out in the final like today. Also, there is potential 4th round matches like Thiem, Goffin or Kyrgios who are all showing form on clay this year. Monfils on clay can be tough to deal with. I agree that Nole is mentally showing that he is more exhausted this year. I don’t think he should have played Davis Cup this year. That was his first scheduling mistake. I think he will totally skip the grass season leading up to Wimbledon to rest. I really think he will need a break.


Green Lady Says:

Lakie sorry i was just curious, and it was a compliment, as she had a i dont take any prisoners type of posting, which was quite similar to yours, in a good way though lol ;-)) ….


danica Says:

Great win for Andy and on a birthday too! :)

Bravo Andy and hearty congrats to you and all your fans, as well as Rafa fans whose #2 is Andy :). I think there is a Roger fan here and there that also roots for Andy as a second choice.So, congrats to them too ;).

Anyhow, superb performance and tactically wise. As far as I am concerned, no asterisks for any wins. I follow my mantra that the more deserving (not necessarily always the better player although in this case, it was also the better one) player always wins. Andy deserved it so, well done!!!


danica Says:

Okie,

Please, allow me to add my couple of cents regarding Nole’s attempts to clean up the court.:)

The circumstances were not the same as when Rafa asked for the match to be stopped. I am with Nole here: if there is a remote chance that either of the players can hurt themselves because of the mud or holes on the court, I think it is a legitimate reason to stop the match and allow those five or ten minutes for the court to be fixed. When Rafa asked the match to be postponed, he did it only because he was on the losing end. He doesn’t like damp conditions and he was affected because of the rain. Nole didn’t want the match to be postponed. Play can go on during the rain until the court becomes mud. There was a good chance of Nole winning that 4 set, who knows, maybe even the match, if they were allowed to continue. Then, in that fantastic semis they played, it was way too hot, the clay was up one meter in the air, hard to breathe, Novak continuously asked for the court to be watered, and was denied.

What I want to say: there is a difference when the health of players are affected and when they ask for something simply because they are losing.


J-Kath Says:

DRAWS, AGE and WINS
Nole’s draw ended up worse than it looked when it first came out. Usually there are a number of high ranked casualties but this time it still ended up quite tough. Andy’s draw was much better than he usually gets and it ended up with a lucky Frenchman in his semi-finals/a bit lucky for Andy too. Bizarre!

In the end, no matter the higher level of competitiveness Nole faced at the end, he wasn’t playing his top tennis (he lost a set before meeting a higher level player) Andy was the better player overall.

Now we’ll be facing potential 5-setters…and it is highly likely that it will be the usual handful of top players who go deep in the tournament, the majority of whom will be 29 years old and upwards. I believe this is because the “younger” players have not yet trained as passionately as they need to and deep down they believe that because they are 2-3 years younger they automatically have an advantage. THEY DON’T.

James mentioned Nole would be 29 on Sunday etc. and compared that to other eras. He concluded it would still be the “older” players who would win thru. Long way to go before the eventual changing of the guard.


Giles Says:

Danica. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Lol
How come each time your joker is behind in the score he looks for excuses? Court, rain, mto’s etc etc. The list goes on and on.


Giles Says:

” Jealousy makes you exposed, careful there”. Lol lol.
Look in the mirror!!


Giles Says:

The conspiracy theories get betterer and betterer. Now the joker fans are saying the FO draws are
” fixed” . Ignoramus!!


mat4 Says:

@Danica,

We could here what Novak said to the umpire — like you wrote, he asked for a delay of five minutes to fix the court. He slides more than Andy, too, and it puts pressure on his ankles. And, contrary to what I thought, the weather forecast was that it won’t rain any more, so they had time.

On the other side, for us who have watched tennis for years, it’s evident that certain organisers want certain players to win. Fixing the draw is a common thing. I mentioned the Fed/Novak semi on all slams (RG excepted, where in 2009, after the debacle of the previous year and the epic match in Madrid, the draw was different, but where Novak landed always in Rafa’s half), but it came to my mind that, since 2011, Roger and Rafa were never in the same half: 2012, semi Novak/Fed, 2013, semi Novak/Rafa, 2014, Fed eliminated early; 2015, we all remember it.

But Novak was also favoured by certain tournaments — Rome was one of them (with Monte Carlo). I don’t know what happened this year: to have Djokovic, Federer, Nishikori, Nadal, the young guns Thiem and Zverev, then Monfils in the same quarter — I don’t believe it was by luck. I guess the Italians wanted a big match by round. In the end, they had a second hand final, but a great quarter and a great semi.

Organisers, like you wrote, don’t only favour certain players through the draw — they do it chosing play conditions. The story of Novak at Cincy — where he ends up playing most of his matches at noon (even against Wawrinka, a match that should be scheduled in the evening) — or at the FO is well known. But the FO is a special case: I remember, one year Stan played against Jo, and Stan asked the match to be stopped, because it was already quite dark. It was refused, because he played five setters the two previous rounds and my French hoped that he will wilted in the fourth set. Stan played relaxed, he went for his shots and won the set less than 10 minutes later, breaking Jo at will. Suddenly, it was too dark to continue. The following day, Stan couldn’t walk, and lost. At the FO, without any shame, any time the organisers detect that certain conditions play in the favour of their favourite, you can be sure that, even it’s against the spirit of the game, the regularity, they won’t do anything to change them.

The final in 2012 was legendary in this aspect: it was out of the question to postpone the match when Rafa was leading. Everything was done for him to win in three, but when Novak adapted to the rain and won the third set, broke in the fourth, suddenly, it was too wet. It was out of the question to finish the set, in a moment when Novak was making winner after winner, the game has to be stopped right away. In French we would say: deux poids, deux mesures. In general, the hubris of our fonctionnaires is without measure. That’s the reason why we can’t have great tennis players, why our rugby team is losing all the time, and why our country is sinking.

I don’t think that Srdjan has a negative impact on Novak. What affected him most — his temper too — was fatigue. He was physically tired, probably didn’t sleep enough, and consequently very nervous. The problem, for me, is that he can’t beat Andy without his A game on clay. So, I definitely hope that Rafa will land in Andy’s quarter, or half, whatever.


Okiegal Says:

Danica…..Postponement or taking a break to fix the court doesn’t have anything to do with my comment……my point was he wasn’t worried about his ankle in Paris because he clearly wanted to play on in the rain on a muddy court. I do your appreciate your 2 cents….I like another point of view on issues plus I know someone out there is actually reading my comments! Have a great week!


lakie Says:

GL thanks! No need to apologize! I wasn’t offended. I had already noted the hidden compliment and was flattered. I just wanted to clarify I am not she.


lakie Says:

Now danica is clearly not objective. When Djokovic asks for a break, it is genuine; when Nadal asks for a break, it is an excuse!
Djokovic is world #1 and so it is highly unlikely that the court officials will not weigh his request carefully. They know the media is going to cover it.


Dave Says:

If Mohommad was the umpire, he would have granted Nole’s request. I thought the umpire was being unreasonable. Like the announcers said: The players are the ones playing on the surface. They are going to know if its dangerous or not. Murray and Nole both complained.


lakie Says:

Did Murray complain? This seems to be made up by Dave.


Okiegal Says:

@lakie….He may have, and if he did and it was loud like Novak’s I can’t believe the cameras didn’t pick it up because they don’t miss a thing….just saying….Dave apparently heard him say something.


Dave Says:

Lakie,

Murray I think was actually the first to complain. He complained right away at the beginning of the match. And he complained another time. I watched the whole match. Please don’t say that I made things up. I’m not one to be a liar. Thanks.


Dave Says:

I have Tennis tv, so you don’t miss anything. You see everything that goes on at the breaks.


Dave Says:

Also, if Murray was the one losing instead, he probably would have complained a lot more. It’s a lot easier to deal with the conditions when all of the momentum is with you. I think Murray didn’t want to get to involved because he could clearly see that this was the time to jump all over Nole, while he was off his game and clearly irritated through out the match. It actually gave Murray extra motivation. He played brilliantly. So for once the tides turned and Murray won the psychological battle of the conditions and not letting things get to him. The last time I can remember Murray winning the battle over Nole and not letting conditions affect him was the 2012 U.S. Open Final. Nole couldn’t stand how windy it was and was very irritated. While by the time he decided to snap out of it, he was down 2 sets to 0 and had to fight his way back just to get to a 5th set. Murray looked much fresher in the 5th set and completely dominated to win his first major. Murray should have learned from this and maybe he will learn from this encounter with Nole yesterday.


lakie Says:

Dave, Did Murray complain to the umpire when Djokovic did (toward the end of match asking for the court to be cleaned up)? You claimed he did. I am calling you out on that not on what you heard on your microphones or what Murray did at the beginning of the match.
Your fellow whiners have claimed that the rain affected Djokovic more because he slides more. So according to them, it is a legit reason for requesting the court be cleaned up, not whether the court is playable. Hilarious!!!


lakie Says:

Tennis rules as framed by whiners:
When muddy conditions favor Djokovic, play should continue, when they favor the other player, play should be stopped.


Dave Says:

Lakie,

I said during the match. Not at the end of the match. I never once said a specific time that Murray complained. Djokovic complained more throughout the match than Murray. But I am saying that Murray complained during the match at different times than Djokovic.


Dave Says:

Also, just because one person makes a comment about Nadal complaining during the 2012 French Open, your going to bunch in everyone on this form that likes Djokovic that we all agree with that comment? I never said I agreed with that comment. I’m not sure why your attacking people today. I haven’t ever done anything to you.


Van Persie Says:

Dave,

You are waisting your time with a certain poster. I also remember, that Murray told the empire something regarding the surface conditions. It is true, that Murray was not so nervous, as Novak was.
Lakie has a problem with Djokovic and his fans, as much “it” would try to prove, that “it” is a objectiv observer and ” protecter of sensible posters from Tennis X.

You are not a liar, Dave.


Dave Says:

Thanks Van Persie,

I won’t waste another second of my time. Thanks for the heads up.


lakie Says:

Good advice VP.
Dave, you have been proved a liar!!! It is in your interest not to waste further time in debating this point because it has been proved beyond the shadow of a doubt.
Next time verify facts before rushing to post your whines.
VP, you cannot absolve Dave. He lied. Period.
It seems Djokovic fans though unhappy about Djokovic trying to win in Rome, are now unhappy that he lost. Seems there is no pleasing this class of fans. They also have no use for facts. If anyone demands facts, that person is a hater!


Van Persie Says:

Dave,

Always a pleasure. I just ignore the BS, what comes from this person.


lakie Says:

While on the subject of Djokovic fans and their unique standards of judging what is fair:
They not only believe but have actually succeeded in convincing some nice fans in other fan groups that if Djokovic denies knowledge of a basic tennis rule -you cannot touch the net (which even a beginner kid knows) -he must not only be believed but awarded the point!
I am sure I can dig up more such instances of Djokovic fans’ idea of tennis rules but I gotta rush. Ciao as our man Andy would have said.


jane Says:

Missed the whole Rome tournament but congrats to Andy and his fans here.

So now we have Novak, Rafa and Murray all entering FO with clay titles in hand. I heard Kei played exceptionally well too.

Novak had some great clay wins over Kei, Andy and Rafa, so I think he’s ready to prepare for a good FO run, and possibly a title even!???

When is the draw?


Van Persie Says:

^^…see Dave, that’s now loose frustration ;)


jane Says:

What’s with this sudden “fanbase” battle talk?

We must be heading toward a slam. ; )

Seriously, though. Cheers all.


Van Persie Says:

Genau,Jane


mat4 Says:

Dave, Sarah:

There’s no point debating with a troll. Both Murray and Djokovic complained at the beginning. Both did confirm this in press conferences, although with different points: Andy said the lines were dangerously wet, Novak complained about the clay court behind the baseline.

Murray did the wise thing: when he saw that the game wouldn’t be interrupted, he calmed down and focused on his game. Novak continued whining. I don’t think it impacted much Novak’s game, but I didn’t like it.

The case of the FO final 2012 was different. Rafa didn’t complain before the fourth set. I still reproach Novak not to have fought for the continuation of the match — he said naively that he would agree with the umpire. I guess that today, he has probably changed: perhaps he hoped the match will be postponed to Monday, giving him time to recover. I don’t know. But I am sure he wanted the title.

The body needs about 48 hours to recover, so it was difficult for Novak and, IMO, he stood no chances to win the final. Andy defends very well, and Novak would have to hit aggressively over and over, and there was no way he could do it. His chances are higher from the third set onward, when Andy usually starts to tire and makes more UE, but this time, Novak’s advantage in weight couldn’t play in his favour.


Van Persie Says:

Sorry Jane, forgot the ;)


Danica Says:

What is there not to understand people? When Novak asks for five minutes of postponment due to rain, it is not granted. When Rafa asks for postponment for ANOTHER DAY due to rain it IS granted. It’s simple as that. And Giles talks about my double standards? Hilarious.


Giles Says:

Rafa is the 9 times champion in RG. And joker??


Giles Says:

VP. You’re a bit of a trouble maker, no? Calm down joker will not win the FO.


Dave Says:

If they would have kept playing in the 2012 French Open Final that day, Nole might have won. He was on his way to winning the 4th set. I remember that Rafa was raging mad and Nole didn’t even put up a fuss whatsoever when the umpire suspended the match for the next day. Circumstances just haven’t gone Nole’s way at the French Open. I hope they do this year. We will see what happens.


gee Says:

I guess since murray lost so many matches to Nole, the trolls are granted
time to make excuses like ‘novak never is king”, ‘whines’ and ‘can’t play at all’.
If murray was playing the peaking Nadal & Kei,
he’d moan at his box & lose 6-2 6-1 to Nole if he reaches the final at all.
The usual idiots were talking about how lucky Nole was
in the 2 weakest eras (14 years) in history!
The first era included no one except injured old Agassi and the second era with
many very good players & legends.
What a coincidence that Nole was top 3 for 9 years, while fed needed
injured opponents and
luck to beat benneteau (allergic to wimbledon & finals) & Roddick (washed up at age 22) at Wimbledon & Masters Cup.

Meanwhile, when slams come, fed & murray can’t win in any conditions but you can
read about Fed insulting the GOAT Novak’s talent level, even in Miami in the windy condition.


skeezer Says:

Dave,
Don’t forget arguably Noles greatest year up to that point, the 2011 FO, where the Maestro stopped him miraculously and gave the 👆
;)


Margot Says:

@jane
Andy’s had some good clay wins over Rafa and Nole so I think he’s ready too…;)
I’m pretty sure Andy asked the ref if they were going to stop playing because of the heavy rain, not the surface


Margot Says:

…which impacted on the line definition.


George Says:

Andy improved his play immensely: 1) Improved serving, 2)Improved movement, 3) Mentally much stronger. Djokovic definitely feels pressure. It is up to his team to make him mentally ready. I believe that this loss was good for him. He is not overwhelming favourite any more; Andy is. Andy beat Nadal in Madrid and Djokovic in Rome and whoever does that is favourite for RG.


Dave Says:

Yes. Federer played amazing in that 2011 French Open Semi-final against Djokovic. He had a game plan and stuck with it. In 2012, the conditions favored Djokovic in the Semi-finals as it was much colder and so Federer wasn’t able to hit through Djokovic that year.


Okiegal Says:

I am going to half way apologize for even saying anything about Novak wanting to play on in Paris with no worries about his ankles but on the other hand I stand by what I said because it is the truth…..things were going his way and not Rafa’s….as I stated before it depends on what situation both players are in. Rafa wasn’t playing well and he wanted to stop and Novak was making a comeback and wanted to play on…..he didn’t seem worried about his ankles that was all I was trying to convey. Maybe Novak should have put up a fuss in Paris about the postponement, but that court was getting rather sloppy. Had they played on they could have both been hurt, but we will never know about that.


Okiegal Says:

Another thing, this might belong on another thread….. not sure, but in regard to the French organizers setting up things to favor Rafa, I was always under the impression they hate Rafa, right???


Margot Says:

@George
No Andy certainly isn’t the favourite. Robbie K and Jason G are putting Nole first, as are most pundits. Let’s not jump the gun here.


Green Lady Says:

Personally i had no issue what-so-ever about Nole wanting play to be stopped, due to the bad weather, and playing conditions, or any other player for that matter, what really pisses me off is the double standards that go on, it was OK for Novak yesterday, and it was OK for Rafa in 2012, let it be the same for any player ….


Dave Says:

Nole beat Rafa and Andy on clay this year as well. Andy has never made it past the Semi-finals of the French. Let him at least get to a final before he is chosen as the clear cut favorite. He got absolutely destroyed by Rafa in the Semi-finals a few years back. Granted it was before he was good on clay. But playing Rafa and beating him is completely different at Madrid versus in Roland Garros. They aren’t at all the same when it comes to how the courts play.


Green Lady Says:

Okie exactly, i remember how the crowd booed him in 2009 at RG after the Sodaling defeat, i doubt they would fix the draw for him, im sensing Mat 4s post is actually tongue in cheek though ;-))….


Dave Says:

I actually thought it wasn’t possible to fix draws. That there are people watching the draw. And they mix the names up and someone pulls them out, and that’s how they do it. It looked very professional and official at the WTF’s last year. I watched it and saw nothing wrong with it. If Nole has to play Rafa in the QF’s again, that’s just how things went down. Circumstances can change from year to year. For all we know, Andy could have Rafa in his QF this year. Wawrinka could have Nadal in his QF this year. No one knows. But I think it will be official and professional all the way.


J-Kath Says:

I feel a bit sad about Vani (Andy’s last Assistant coach pre Amelie)…been “fired” by Berdych after 17 months? Have gone off Tomas again….it should have been better presented than saying he was “fired”..


J-Kath Says:

I agree with Dave: I really don’t know how the draw can be fixed…it’s a raffle you pull out a piece of paper…sometimes the result looks “fairish” sometimes not.


Van Persie Says:

Mat4,

Very nice post from you.
Agree. I Was also not biggest fan of Noles behaviour on Sunday. Just wanted to point out, that Dave was right with his affirmation.That’s all.

Andy played very good and he proved, he is one of the favorites to win the FO.


Dave Says:

Mat4,

I also enjoyed your post. Thanks for that.


Green Lady Says:

I enjoy Mat4s posts, even if i dont always agree with them ….


Travis Bickle Says:

Green Lady,

I might have told you this before, but here it is anyway:
I have extremely strong conviction that you hate Novak Djokovic.

Not in an obvious “I’m-proud-of-being-a-hater” way like Giles, but in a sleazy way like Lakie. Sometimes I have to take shower after reading your posts – they’re that sleazy. I am occasionally tempted to cry for censorship of your post – I found them that offensive… Alas, Tennis X folks would not listen to me even if I tried.


Green Lady Says:

^Whatever think what you like i dont care, i have to take a shower after reading pretty much every single one of your posts, long term posters know me better than you, and thats whats important to me, CHEERS ….^


Green Lady Says:

And for gods sake knock it off, its getting boring now (YAWN)….


Danica Says:

Travis man, why? I mean, really, why?


Wog Boy Says:

lakie @10:17am

This time around you cross the line towards one of nicest and fairest posters here and I really don’t know what is your agenda unless you are experiencing some mental issues as of lately… “lakie” or should I call you jalep?


jalep Says:

What gives, Wog Boy? You inferring that I have mental problems? Nice.

I was about to post to Green Lady and RZ here. And there you are getting personal with an insult. Just when I think I can live with you, you show me that’s not possible.


jalep Says:

RZ, please, yes. Will you kindly do the Bracket Challenge?


Wog Boy Says:

@jalep,

If you had any decency, as you didn’t, you would apologize to me for throwing serious accusations at me without any proof for something I’ve never did or said on TX, instead you disappeared for a while and came back to fight and chase Nole fans and rubish Nole, not as jalep of course. I am all for playing the games on internet, but you crossed the line calling nice poster liar for what? Ask yourself.
As for your accusations towards me, I don’t forget nor I forgive and I seek revenge as per Old Testament not a new one, and I very well know that you are quite familiar with Old Testament not the new one.
Thanks and regards


jalep Says:

Have you been drinking? You are delusional if you think I’m lakie!??

You owe me an apology!


jalep Says:

WTF Wog Boy?


jalep Says:

Sad to read you like this. I’m not lakie.


Wog Boy Says:

Sad to see how you ended up.


jalep Says:

Whoever lakie is will find this pretty funny. Actually I’ve wondered who lakie is. lakie sounds familiar. But then, I thought elina was nadalista – and was wrong. You are wrong here, Wog Boy, miserably wrong.


jalep Says:

That’s enough, Wog Boy. Stop.


Okiegal Says:

^^^^^^^WOW!!


jalep Says:

Well, I’m not lakie. Okiegal. That really took me by surprise. I haven’t paid much attention to lakie. As I said, lakie sounds familiar but I give up trying to guess who ‘new’ posters are because I’m not a good enough sleuth, apparently.


lakie Says:

Hilarious! Now I am Jalep. Wog boy, Dave did lie but I did not call him a liar to begin with. He introduced the liar word. If you feel I have crossed the line, I do not care. Who are you to draw any line anyway. Posters tell lies, they are liars. VP, you or anybody else, trying to give Dave a clean chit won’t work because facts are facts. Dave should apologize if he is really a nice person. But he did not apologize and tried to cover up his lie.
I am flattered to be considered Jalep. She is one of the nicest posters here. I have no problem being Jalep but I suspect Jalep is not flattered. I am not as nice as her!


jalep Says:

Hello lakie! Let’s talk to ourselves. No, I’m not going to make any jokes here because it must be painful to be thinking me, a Nole fan, that’s been here for a long time is, you.

It’s no laughing matter.

By the way I don’t have any problems with posters expressing their dislike or even strong dislike of any of my favorites. I spoke up about the Kei Nishikori bashing – imo, that was overblown. Neither of them, Kei or Nole were models of behavior in that match.


Wog Boy Says:

Nice try:))


jalep Says:

Okay, if you are going to persist in this painful delusion, Wog Boy, I’ll email Tennis-X and tell them to verify IP addresses/devices.

I’ve changed usernames and use a different one on cycling news and tenngrand, but I don’t do sock puppets.


Wog Boy Says:

“.. I did not call him a liar to begin with..”

…and the quote:

“Dave, you have been proved a liar!!!”

Hello, who is the liar here?


jalep Says:

To whom are you asking the question, Wog Boy? I won’t have you accusing me of being a poster that I’m not. I don’t have a sock puppet!!

I’m jalep.


Okiegal Says:

@jalep….I was saying wow because of you and Wog going at it and because he thinks you are lakie….I can’t see that at all. I was blown away by his assumption……but I think he is convinced you are by his nice try remark…..and how do you prove you’re not?? There is no way I could be two people…..I would get so confused! Lol


Wog Boy Says:

I couldn’t care less what are you going to do (as for IP address are you serious, I can use five different IP addresses just from my home alone if I wish) it was enough giveaways in the last couple of weeks for me to make up my mind, and Giro d’Italia is going well too ;)


lakie Says:

Never mind Jalep, let wog boy persist in his delusions.
Wog boy, if you read my exchanges with Dave, I said he had made it up. He said he is not a liar. I picked up on that and confirmed that he is a liar. Anyway, if somebody is a liar why should you object to my proving he is a liar?


jalep Says:

I;m emailing Tennis-X, Okiegal. thanks! It’s a serious accusation – against posting rules to have a sock puppet too.

Even when I change usernames, passwords, email address – I notify tennis-x. They can verify if someone is using multiple accounts.


jalep Says:

Wog Boy!
You need to stop that. I could give a **** about an apology but for you to be saying that I was using a different account for a sock puppet and chasing Nole fans away…….it’s not okay by any standards and furthermore, it’s wrong, it must be stressful, it’s silly!


jalep Says:

Not sure I’ve ever talked to Dave here, lakie!

Maybe once, when he first started posting.


Wog Boy Says:

jalep,

How stressful and serious is to wrongfully accuse somebody without evidence that he posted and said very serious things on TX and not having decency to say sorry and apologize for that even if it was in the heat of the moment. Sorry jalep, if forgot what you said to me I didn’t.


jalep Says:

Just stop it. I don’t owe you an apology – especially after this! But i don’t care about an apology.

Build a bridge and get over your grudges and inability forgive and to let things go. I’m an agnostic and thank goodness don’t have grudge problems that I justify by some biblical source.

Not going to lick you boots, cowboy.


jalep Says:

So, I emailed Tennis-X, Wog Boy. I had to do something, futile as it may be because it’s not okay to publicly accuse me of having a sock puppet. As I said. No apology necessary. Just let it go. Relax, enjoy your popularity here – enjoy your faithful followers. I’m not one of them! I can’t relate to your grudges and the way you hang on to stuff.


Wog Boy Says:

I don’t wear boots my dear jillaroo, but I wouldn’t let you llick them anyway, I choose who is licking and what.
What goes around comes around, you don’t have to be religious to understand that, did you really belive you can throw serious lies against me and everything would be forgoten like never happened?


Wog Boy Says:

You don’t have to worry jillaroo/contador/lakie/jalep…I was about to take a leave anyway…it is becaming hard to follow who is who on TX these days and bit boring too..


jalep Says:

Wog Boy. Right now, my respect is gone for you as yours is for me. But, have it your way! Although, I have NOTHING to apologize to you for. You and Travis Bickle excel at personal insults – it appears that many here like it and find it fun or funny but don’t. I was starting to get some respect back but you push me over the edge again. All done with you.

Leave me alone. Your story about what you think I was doing is…creepy.


AndyMira Says:

Jalep..you’re one of the NICEST posters here,even though we’re never interacted before..but i believe you’re a good person..keep on fighting!


jalep Says:

Thanks, AndyMira. But I’d rather be doing anything else than fighting! Getting back to tennis would be good.


AndyMira Says:

Yes Jalep..that’s the right thing to do..by the way..you’re welcome!


Van Persie Says:

To be honest, I do not take things on this forum very serious. When I am insulted, I do not take it personally…but I have to be honest about something. My colleagues and I have really great fun in reading Green Ladys statements. They are the weirdest. Sorry, but I have to agree with Travis.


Van Persie Says:

my above post is for Danica


Van Persie Says:

Tennis X shoild in fact have a thread for Green Lady and call it “No tennis, just people”


Van Persie Says:

should, not shoild


skeezer Says:

WB,
Lay off jalep and quit the bullying. She is not lakie. And you need to Read the guidelines.
You’ve never posted that much here anyway when Novak was not winning. They call that a fair weather fan, only come out and trash talk other players and posters when Your Holiness Novak is winning…… and you have a few co-horts who are the same.


Okiegal Says:

Wog said he is taking a leave. Sometimes that’s the smart thing to do…….clear your head…….


Wog Boy Says:

skeezer,

Just buzz off, will you? You are not telling how to post and what to think, though I commend you for sticking for your personal friend from IW and Roger fan who felt the urge to come in defence of Roger..under different nick. Now go back to praying room, they are waiting for you, it’s a prayer time, this session is to cure lower back problems.
I’ve been regularly posting here since 2009/10, Nole is regularly winning since 2011, that makes me pretty regular here by all standards.

If anybody else feels the urge, like The Keeper of St Roger legacy, to have a go at me I have to apologize for not being able to respond to all of you my “friends” since I won’t be in my office for a while as I already said to my dear friend jillaroo, but some of my staff will keep the records and I’ll get back to you as soon as I can.

Best regards,
WOG BOY ;))


Wog Boy Says:

PS

Okie,

You might need to clear your head too, I’ll take you with me for a holiday:))


jalep Says:

Thanks, skeezer. That attack came out of nowhere – astonishing.


Okiegal Says:

Wog, that is exactly what I need…..a holiday! I will go by 🚢 since I don’t 🚀 I guess I had better get started! I will admit I am going a bit stir crazy…..here by myself day in and day out…..yep, I think I will go to Australia!! 😉😉 🍻😈😈😈


Green Lady Says:

Van Persie the only time your friend pops up seems to be to have a go at me, but a appreciate hes a fellow fan, so you and some of your friends stick to together, and all join in to defend him, ive said a million times that i dont hate Novak, and ive been here long enough that the sensible Novak fans know me better than that, you dont believe me, Travis Bickle doesnt believe me, think what the bloody hell you like personally i dont give a damn, im not a person that says one thing yet means another, but i will say this if i keep on getting personally attacked i will be doing some reporting myself for bullying, KAPEESH ….


Green Lady Says:

Danica @9.01pm May 16th thankyou ;-))….

As regards Jalep and Lakie, their posts sound completely different ….


Margot Says:

Green Lady: If you feel you’re being bullied, don’t say you’ll report it, just do it.
You do make yourself very vulnerable with the personal stuff you reveal tho. The internet is not a nice place, at times it can resemble a snake pit, even a mild-mannered, supposedly lol, tennis site.


Green Lady Says:

Margot i have tried to send an e.mail, and it was quite complicated, and ive asked Sean and the staff numerous times about some of the posts he lets through, which seem to all fall on deaf ears, seems fruitless ….

As for personal stuff ill knock it off, but sometimes the conversation steers that way, when people ask me things, so im not the only one …

Anyway cheers Margot ….


Margot Says:

GL:
contact@tennis-x.com
gets you there


Tennis Vagabond Says:

GL, jalep, Skeeze: its not my place to give anyone advice, but I will anyway.

Just stop responding. Don’t take the bait.

No one wins any award for having the last word in an internet battle. Don’t waste your energy competing with people who obsess over that. Let them spout their nonsense and venom.
Carry on as if they are not there. Ignore. You will never win a mud throwing contest with people who live in the mud.


Green Lady Says:

Tennis Vagabond many thanks, theres alot of truth in that post, yeah from now on i will rise above it, your a very wise man, CHEERS ….


mat4 Says:

I don’t understand what’s happening here. Most of us are on these fora for years, and we had excellent relations. We also argued sometimes, but it’s normal, and it shouldn’t affect our civility toward each other. I don’t care if somebody is Rafa’s, Andy’s or Fed’s fan, the moment one is correct toward fellow posters. I don’t even expect one to be PC, in fact, I prefer sometimes when he’s not.

So if Andy wins the FO, or Rafa, I fully expect, and I would approve his fans gloat and are happy. I would do it certainly if Novak wins. We don’t even have to respect players: they earn a lot, and they’ve accepted the fact that they are public persons. That’s the reason they are paid so much, much more than they deserve objectively. IMHO, a teacher, a doctor, a miner should be paid more.

But we have to respect each others, even when we joke. It should never get nasty.

GL, Travis is not making fun of you, he’s rather doing one thing we all should have done: he’s warning you how vulnerable you made yourself. You’re not aware how much you discover about yourself. Margot is right: you have to protect your anonymity on the net, your personality, your emotions. And also, sometimes you have to fight back.

You should also know that the old posters here know you, like you, and respect you. I do. So just be what you are. And never, never apologize for what you are.


Green Lady Says:

Mat4 with all due respect, as we have always got along, but you were not here some weeks ago, when i was attacked personally by him, and another two of your fellow fans, as for personal stuff ive never said anything too personal, its just sometimes conversations steer that way when we all interact, thats through no fault of my own, i mentioned depression once as did you, im not a prude, but i do find some things offensive, including racism, sexism, slurs on posters/players sexuality etc, ive been here a long time as have you, and as i repeat i dont hate Novak, and i dont give a damn if people believe that or not, only the sensible posters like yourself, i understand you defending Travis as you seem to like his posts which is your perogative, im afraid i dont and thats mine, i think Tennis Vagabond is right in that the best thing to do is ignore such posters, cheers and no problem, have a nice day Mat4 ….


mat4 Says:

I don’t defend him, GL. I read some of his posts, and I reacted a few months ago. But, yes, you discover very much about your personality.

About ignoring posters: yes, that’s a good solution. But sometimes, it’s not easy.

Anyway, I hope that things will calm down.


J-Kath Says:

Gl

I also wrote something re. the “issue” but wiped it. But now the whole question has been raised, I want to tell you something.

Travis’s contact with you reminds me of an ex-colleague. I hated, hated him. He never stopped teased me in front of his work-buddies all of whom laughed. I got mad, really mad and used to storm out of the room. Then I got smart, became dignified, cool and witty and left the room, head high. Guess what? We ended up dating for about 6 months!

OK…no dating with Travis…but you could have a cheeky, non-hurtful repartee with him. (He can be funny) If that fails you can lean back with pride on your brilliant “YAWN” comment…..all you need to say my dear.


lakie Says:

mat4 claims “GL, Travis is not making fun of you, he’s rather doing one thing we all should have done: he’s warning you how vulnerable you made yourself.”
GL did you email SEAN at contact@tennis-x.com about TB’s filthy attacks on you? Please do it right away. Do not expect any sympathy from mat4 and his ilk who obviously share TB’s cesspit.


lakie Says:

J-Kath, teasing is one thing, talking filth is another. Did the guy you dated use po*no language to tease you? I doubt your work buddies would have laughed. I am in fact surprised at you comparing TB with your date.


J-Kath Says:

You missed the Kernel, Lakie.


RZ Says:

Haven’t been on the site much the last couple of days but am dismayed to see some of the content of the back and forth … not sure what to call it – arguments? attacks? trolling? So to go on my soapbox for a minute:

We’re all among the biggest tennis fans and it’s fantastic that Tennis-X provides a space for us to interact and discuss/debate what is going on in the game, our favorite players, records, even GOAT. It can definitely get heated and sometimes that is in good fun, but sometimes comments or reactions get taken much too seriously. At the end of the day, tennis is just a game, and what our favorite or least favorite players did or did not do really isn’t important to the part of our lives that isn’t obsessed by tennis. And what we say to or about others or what others say to or about us on this site isn’t all that important either. I think if we all keep that in perspective, we can enjoy use of this site a lot more.


jalep Says:

RZ, there you are. I’ll try to keep that in mind because I’m very certain there will be a ‘next time’. That one caught me off-guard.

So, will you do a tennis-x bracket challenge? I’m not up to it right now. But you know I’m an love a bracket challenge.

TV
Well-said. Thanks for the reminder. I’ll keep trying to improve my communication skills when I can and ignore when it’s best.


jalep Says:

Ima love me a bracket challenge! meant to say.


Margot Says:

RZ: Please can we have a nice photo of Andy this time?
Please, please……


mat4 Says:

@J-Kath:

Indeed (s)he is.

Your advice, btw, is an excellent one.

Lately I’ve been also posting on a French FFF forum. It’s an excellent forum, with lots of witty posters, but I am the only Novak fan there. I was attacked a few times viciously. But since it’s a forum in my own language, I managed to defuse those attacks. A few posters engaged with me in rhetoric duels, and today we joke about our favs. The others became quite OK, answering to my posts and commenting them. But, to be frank, I did almost quit after a few attacks ad hominem, so I understand that it’s not easy.

I have also been verbally abused here by Dave, Brando, but I just avoided answering them, and I managed to skip their posts.


skeezer Says:

“Just stop responding”
But TV, I like you ;)


RZ Says:

@Jalep – I will set up the bracket challenge later this week.
@Margot – Tell me which pic you want and I’ll use it. These are your options:
1) Andy in the ice bath
2) Andy in the Christmas sweater
3) Andy standing on the yoga ball (currently on tennis-x.com until they change it)
4) Andy rolling his eyes at Judy
5) Any of the pics from the “Is Andy Murray Happy or Angry?” quiz
(Okay, you can suggest another pic but these are the most entertaining)


BBB Says:

“Andy rolling his eyes at Judy.” Ha. I remember when he won WImbledon and forgot to hug her. He seems to have her number.


RZ Says:

@Margot – I forgot option 6) Andy wearing Lederhosen


jalep Says:

Appreciate it RZ! I’m keeping an eye on the FO qualies going on right now – well, they are all done for the day. That’s a surprise: Tennis Channel broadcasting FO qualies. What TC isn’t showing is any of the current WTA or ATP tournies. Also watching scores there – Stan vs Ramos, ON.

Stephens beat Vekic in Strasbourg – means Vekic headed to Geneva, not the other way around. 😉 my own little fixation of the week.


BBB Says:

RZ that’s awesome. Is there a caption contest?


RZ Says:

@BBB – why not? I’ll start. “Yes, you can eat all of my birthday cake!”


jalep Says:

Oh that’s him with the Rome trophy – eye-rolling one. Approve! Also like the yoga ball. I’ve had enough Christmas sweater and ice bath.


Okiegal Says:

People on this forum telling others to ignore are the same ones who don’t ignore….I’m confused, as usual???? Lol
I have figured out in the last few hours on this forum regarding responses to posters and their problems…….the kind of advice given solely depends on who the person is a fan of……my observation……

Hang in there GL….get a FB account, you would love it! You can have conversations with real friends!

I will take a stand for GL, she is a good gal!


BBB Says:

“Ugh, I told you, Feliciano is MARRIED.”


Margot Says:

Eye roll is wonderful…. or yoga if other folk like it.
caption: OMG she’s seen Feliciano Lopez.


Tennis Vagabond Says:

What a picture!

“Of course, he wet the bed until he was twelve, poor little lad.”


Margot Says:

BBB: great minds…;)


BBB Says:

JINX Margot. Hahahaha.


Margot Says:

And double jinx now! Lol


BBB Says:

LOL TV.


RZ Says:

“No you can’t use my birthday cake to try to tempt Feliciano away from his wife!”


Okiegal Says:

I love the eye rolling one….and really agree with Margot’s caption….but think you should replace Feliciano with Deliciano….after all Judy coined that one…and hubba hubba I will have to agree…..those gorgeous blue Paul Newman eyes…BOOM BABY she is spot on, indeedy!!


J-Kath Says:

Jalep – have also been keeping half an eye on Vekic.

Mat4:
Yes, it is about turning it around. While it is going on, it rather feels like opening a healing sore. I recently heard two serious very young kids refer to something said by adults – explaining it to each other as: “They are the big people.” Maybe they can teach us something.


Margot Says:

I thought of that OK. but also thought Andy probably doesn’t call him Deliciano.” Would only encourage his ma.
Wonder what his nickname in the locker room is….;)


lakie Says:

J-Kath, I did not miss the kernel. Your post was in poor taste. I hope GL has not left the forum. Your post was probably the unkindest cut of all. She would never have expected you to be laughing while TB was attacking her. God, I cannot imagine anyone finding filthy stuff funny. It takes all sorts to make the world, I suppose. Fortunately, TB who is probably on notice by Sean hasn’t taken your girlish admiration as encouragement to produce more of what you find funny.


sisay Says:

OMG…what was all this barbarism by tennis x posters…we are here to enjoy tennis…so grow up guys and dont ever make this blog a battlefield of your bitterness…please this is 21 century


RZ Says:

@Okie and Margot – Andy calls him Feli. At least that is what is on his Facebook post from today. “Rain finally stopped, sun is trying to come out! Hitting with Feli this afternoon.”

I agree with Margot – he wouldn’t ever call him Deliciano. That’s Judy’s nickname and Andy wouldn’t touch it with a 10 foot pole! :-)

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