Andy Murray Is Back With Ivan Lendl

Hopefully the “Queen of Drama” could receive good help from Lendl to get him to behave like a real man in the court, and outside too, and stop whining for every miss-point, arguing about stupidities with the chair umpires and keep a positive professional body language in the court. It is about time now. Mommy has not been a good guidance in that department. June 12/16.

June 12th, 2016 at 11:21 am

Ivan Lendl is the one man who can help Murray to win more majors again. And perhaps even get to number 1. We really could have a lot of Djokovic vs Murray finals in grandslams. It wouldn’t surprise me if they end up playing each other the most of any rivalry in the end.

June 12th, 2016 at 12:38 pm

If those two are going to keep on meeting in final, after final, after final, after final, then i hope some actually then go in Murrays favour, and im talking about GS, and especially the AO, not just Masters 1000, purlease ….

June 12th, 2016 at 1:13 pm

It’s good news for tennis fans. I know Andy has regressed since 2013 a bit, and maybe Lendl can help reverse that. It is not just Nole that solidly moved ahead since then – Federer has won 5 straight against Murray erasing a 11-9 h2h Andy had on Fed in 2013. And Nadal is 4-2 over Andy since 2013 ended.
I don’t believe in “Coach as God that solely determines if a player is a winner or not”, but some help with a few things that really make a difference.
Like with Novak, there isn’t really a lot broke or subpar with Andy that needs fixing or improving. But Lendl found a few things that were helpful back in 2012-13, Becker has with Novak (serve, reducing Novak’s off court list of things he wants to do….”You vant to make mitt a new book, or you want to vinn big things and write der new book venn you not winning everyding in sight??”)
Hope Lendl has some ideas ad can get Andy back on track. Not that the #2 rated player who has made the last two Finals at Slams is completely off track….

June 12th, 2016 at 1:13 pm

interesting news! it’ll be fascinating to see if lendl has the same effect.

so the “super coaches” will be in full force at wimbledon this year – becker, lendl, j-mac, chang, krajicek, and goran. between them, 24 slams and 8 wimbledon titles

June 12th, 2016 at 1:15 pm

Excellent news for Murray fans. He is the favourite for wimbledon without doubt

June 12th, 2016 at 1:35 pm

anki – There is hope beyond all bounds of reason. And then there is facing this guy who won the last two Wimbledons and beat Andy decisively in the last two Slams.
You fall in the “hope” camp.
I’ll betcha 1,000 pounds right now the bookies have Djokovic as the favorite.

June 12th, 2016 at 2:00 pm

@ 11.21

Seems that Andy’s whining disease against himself has mutated? So sorri you seem to have caught it.

June 12th, 2016 at 2:23 pm

^LOL^….

June 12th, 2016 at 2:29 pm

Andy will only be the favorite to win Wimbledon if you listen to the guys at eurosport. He still won’t be favorite going into Wimbledon. This could help his chances though, that’s for sure.

June 12th, 2016 at 3:41 pm

“who won the last two Wimbledons and beat Andy decisively in the last two Slams”

Ah but Djokovic has yet to win a set off Murray on grass. We’ll see ;)

June 12th, 2016 at 4:55 pm

My door knob has a better personality than those two combined.

June 12th, 2016 at 5:25 pm

Djokovic is a very different player from 2012 and 2013. I don’t even think Andy will read to much into those matches as they are long in the past. He can take some confidence from knowing he can beat Djokovic on grass. But he won’t be thinking he is the favorite and that he is just going to pull it out in straight sets. Like I have said before, I can’t remember the last time Andy hasn’t looked tired in a 4 or 5 set match against Djokovic. Nole tires Murray out, running him around the court constantly. Murray has to show that he can stay physically strong the whole match. That I am yet to see in a long time. That’s the biggest question mark I have with Andy. If that is the case, Lendl will advice Murray that he has to stay aggressive the whole match and shorten points at the net if he wants to be Nole. I am sure we will see a more consistently aggressive Murray with Lendl as his coach.

June 12th, 2016 at 5:35 pm

“Andy will only be the favorite to win Wimbledon if you listen to the guys at eurosport.”

They’re trying to drum up interest among the British public, obviously. Understandable. They have to do that. It is their livelihood. One British commentator admitted at some point I think this year that they are grateful to Andy for all the years he’s been in the spotlight, because he’s given them work. Or something to that effect.

As I said, understandable, and not really that bad considering Andy is one of the favorites for sure.

June 12th, 2016 at 5:56 pm

Novak 4/5
Andy 7/2

June 12th, 2016 at 8:40 pm

Interesting – no mention of the mighty Fed for winning wimbledon? Some here seem to believe he is at his best right now, playing better than ever.

June 12th, 2016 at 9:06 pm

You are misinformed, we were talking about 2015 not 2016, this year is informal (or informational) year for 2017, so it doesn’t count.

June 12th, 2016 at 9:24 pm

Oh ya, I forgot, 2016 is the informational year for Fed to gear up for the senior tour in 2017. I am certain he will win everything on the senior tour next year. Unless his buddy Nadal shows up.

June 12th, 2016 at 10:43 pm

My door knob has a better personality than those two combined.

June 12th, 2016 at 10:50 pm

@AndiMira…..My comments are not going through on FB….don’t know why…but I’m stymied at the present. No, I have never been to Tenngrand, but will check it out!

June 12th, 2016 at 11:11 pm

Glad Ivan is back with Andy. I smelled a rat between him and Amalie when she did not sit in the players box…..that was a little odd to me…..Ivan is the only person that keeps Andy calm…..Andy is his own worst enemy…but And has had a good 2016……take Wimbledon Andy, you can do it again!!!

June 12th, 2016 at 11:15 pm

James,

Even if Federer is in top form, he will have to beat Djokovic and Murray back to back, since he is the 3 seed. I don’t see that happening. I don’t actually see him beating either of them this year to even get to the final. Also, Federer looks very far from top form after his first grasscourt tournament. No hype for Federer this time around.

June 13th, 2016 at 12:01 am

Dave,
I agree. I don’t expect Fed to really do any major damage against the field nowadays. However, I am one of the fans that said he was done a few years back, so go figure. I guess with a superior athlete like Fed, he’s done when he says he’s done, and just go with it ;)

June 13th, 2016 at 12:12 am

That’s alright okie,i’ll wait for your fb to function normally again..btw..as usual i’ll leave goodnight emoji’s for you on your fb..

June 13th, 2016 at 12:33 am

It is not just magic where you hire an experienced and Tennis savvy coach and things (high ambitions) will fall in place. In that sense, I would say there is a great deal of exaggeration in stressing about the importance of a Coach. But, expert Coaches do make a difference in the way, Players approach the game with a good mental and physical shape.

In that way, this move of Andy tying up yet again with Lendl would be a moral booster psychologically as he had the best results when Ivan was around and sentimentally he feels that with Lendl by his side, he can add more to his majors tally for which he truly has got the potential.

June 13th, 2016 at 2:46 am

“My door knob has a better personality than those two combined”

And my door hinge has more wit than you’ll be able to muster in a lifetime.

June 13th, 2016 at 3:07 am

Fed was done a few years ago. He is almost 35. Yet he is No. 3 and reached two slam finals last year, and was No. 2 for some time.

What does that say about the level of competition, the overall field? Isn’t it the same players that Djokovic has to beat in the earlier and middle rounds to win a slam? Why is this not the weakest field in the open era?

I could have bought the argument that “Djokovic is so great that everyone else looks bad” IF a 35 year old has been was not reaching slam finals and was not No. 2, no 3 in the final, and not winning slams JUST due to one player, Djokovic.

But that is not true, is it?

June 13th, 2016 at 3:22 am

Do you really believe that a 30 year old Sampras would not have made the top 10 in this field, or even top 5?

June 13th, 2016 at 3:23 am

Poor Roger.. He only played in week ERA’s 2003-2007 and 2011-1016.

June 13th, 2016 at 4:26 am

He had success with “his ballet” because the others were so weak and untalented.

June 13th, 2016 at 4:28 am

Sampras would have crushed Roger in his prime

June 13th, 2016 at 4:34 am

2005 was that weak, that Agassi made it into the final from US Open, and Agassi was 35 years old! and he took even a set in that match
Agassi would have also crushed Roger in his prime.

June 13th, 2016 at 4:42 am

Roger was that weak, that e teenager like Rafa mannaged to win slams during Rogers prime :)

June 13th, 2016 at 4:45 am

Yeah, 2001 wimbledon, Sampras was the reigning 7-time champion, 29 years of age (same as Djokovic now, so can’t say he was old and past his prime) – a 19 year old Fed, far away from winning anything yet, beat him.

Yeah, Sampras was THAT good.

Agassi made the USO final in 2005 – but was not ranked that high. Rankings reflect the strength against the whole field, not just one player or one tournament.

And ya, there are so many great young players around now, its soooooooooooooooo tough. Even Ivo Karlovic is hanging around at 37, and is still a top 30 player with barely any game except his serve. The field now is soooooooooooo tough.

June 13th, 2016 at 6:39 am

VP,

We do have to catch up when I am in Europe, I just want to buy you a drink, though you deserve more than just a drink. You keep them (closet Nole “fans”) honest:)

June 13th, 2016 at 7:03 am

hehehe. It’s slim picking isn’t it. It’s really tough to find Fed’s highlight wins isn’t it. Against who? Sampras at 29! Ha! Great! Feel free to add Novak and Rafa. They might add some shine. hehe!

This is why Mr. Laver has a new GOAT! Quality OVER Quantity!

June 13th, 2016 at 7:17 am

Jun,

I’ll buy you drink too, where ever you are.

June 13th, 2016 at 7:20 am

“Yeah, 2001 wimbledon, Sampras was the reigning 7-time champion, 29 years of age (same as Djokovic now, so can’t say he was old and past his prime) – a 19 year old Fed, far away from winning anything yet, beat him.” That suits me because:
2011: Federer was 29 years old, same as Sampras was in 2001, and guess what, Novak beat him at Australian Open and US Open, so Fed was at his prime ;)

“Agassi made the USO final in 2005 – but was not ranked that high. Rankings reflect the strength against the whole field, not just one player or one tournament. ” it reflects only, how weak were the guys from top 100 :)

Federer won his 1 Slam when he was 22 years old, a bit old for a guy who claimed to be “a genius” :) You see James, we can talk about that on and on and on…you have your arguments and Nole fans have theirs.

WB,

When you are in Europe, pls let me know ;)

June 13th, 2016 at 7:21 am

Feds Era was so tough, that Ivanisevic participated with a wild card at Wimbledon and won :)

June 13th, 2016 at 7:25 am

VP,

If all puzzles fall into place I might be in Europe as early as October, but that’s if, we’ll see:)

June 13th, 2016 at 7:29 am

WB,

That would be great. I am often on business trips in Timisoara. so, not so far from Beograd. Perhaps we will have the opportunity to meet each other, shake hands and have a few drinks.:)

June 13th, 2016 at 7:51 am

VP,
Certainly, I am very familiar with Timisoara:)

June 13th, 2016 at 7:55 am

@WB, “home of the Brave”.

I am not Serbian, don’t understand Serbian except idemo, but I know the language of spirits very, very well. Maybe too well.

Novak is such a brave man, he needs to move to the US of A. He would fit in nicely. We need someone to bring US tennis back from the current lowest of the low. Maybe when he retires in a few years, USTA might want to get a hold of him and have him teach our young kids physical AND mental strength. And to teach our kids how to slide on hard courts!

June 13th, 2016 at 8:21 am

Jun,

I’ve never been in USA, but from what I know I am sure Nole can fit nicely in Chicago or NY, not sure about other places.

June 13th, 2016 at 8:30 am

WB, lots of Serb enclaves all over the country. He would feel at home in a variety of places.

June 13th, 2016 at 9:03 am

BBB,

It is not because of Serb enclaves, it is because those two cities, from what I know, resembles closest to Belgrade mentality.

June 13th, 2016 at 9:07 am

Ah, interesting. In what way? Tough sledding :) ?

June 13th, 2016 at 9:08 am

BBB,

You’ve done it again, had to google it, yes “tough sledding” you have to have it in order to succeed in Belgrade.

June 13th, 2016 at 9:14 am

Fed’s draws were the “toughest” of all times.
Baghdatis, Gonzalez, injured Agassi and a tuckered out Safin in finals.
Benneteau & haas choking away Slams to fed.
Fed crushed #3 Ljubicic, #4 Blake, washed up #6 Dick & #7 Robredo
on clay, grass, outdoor hardcourt and indoor hardcourt in 2007.

Roddick got beaten twice by Schuettler.
Dick destroyed his wrist only after a lucky line call,
which prolonged a 5 hour match.
A one dimensional ball bashing backhand less match
With el aynaoui.
Schuettler came back from 0-3 third set in masters cup 2003
against the “top player” Dick.
Dick coughed up the pathetic #1 points within 4 tournaments.

Meanwhile, Agassi had match point vs. Fed in 2003 round robin
and in 2004, had a winning record against Dick again.
No wonder Dick went on a crusade to destroy Novak
to save fed’s GOAT status. Poor Texan!

June 13th, 2016 at 9:37 am

Just as I wrote it, I thought “Ugh, idiom.” Sorry!

June 13th, 2016 at 9:38 am

Jun

“home of the Brave” originates from Scotland. But seeing it’s you to Wogboy (I’m in charge of its copyright) it’s a compliment for you to use it….judiciously of course.

June 13th, 2016 at 10:00 am

I suspect this will be short term. Lendl had said he didn’t want to travel that much. I can’t imagine so much has changed in the past couple of years.

June 13th, 2016 at 10:19 am

Jun – “Sampras at 29” seems too old for you – then Nole at 29 isn’t? What about Fed at 34? If 29 is too old, then today’s era must be so horrendous that a 29 year old can dominate like this.

Van Persie – Ivanisevic won Wimbledon in 2001 – not at all the “Fed Era”. Get your facts straight.

And Ya, if hewitt and Safin were such weak players – how come they beat Sampras at the USO so easily when Sampras was 29? Was Sampras the weak player??

You can’t have it both ways.

June 13th, 2016 at 10:26 am

RZ,

Lendl has five daughters, he needs a lot of money to support them and eventually marry them..

June 13th, 2016 at 10:34 am

^^ I mean, he loves money so much that he even cashed out on his retirement:

“Lendl retired from tennis in 1994 at the age of 34 with a disability insurance payout for chronic back pain.”

June 13th, 2016 at 10:36 am

VP,
No matter how much you try to minimize Feds achievements ….I am sorry it is not going to change anything in the record books. You may be comforted by just accepting it, smile and have a nice day.
—
WB must be related to Lendl, that is the only assumption I can come to.

June 13th, 2016 at 10:41 am

James, it is obvious that you are a sore looser, as much as you try to prove, that Novaks era is weak. It is not weaker then Feds was. You are talking about that since months. Are U not tired of this? New ideas would help you

June 13th, 2016 at 10:47 am

Skeezer, we should talk in a few years about records ;). Your “guy” is at the end of his career. Novak will still play for a few years. Your fella James fears that ;)

June 13th, 2016 at 10:51 am

Now, I am fed up with that topic

June 13th, 2016 at 10:52 am

Skeezers legacy on TX will be to talk about Feds records, coz he’s no going to see many matches from Roger anymore ;)

June 13th, 2016 at 10:59 am

“…we should talk in a few years about records ;).”

Sure! I’ll be around. Will you?

June 13th, 2016 at 11:31 am

Losing on grass to a guy who was spat on in the usa & Brit press.
Fed did a gloriously entertaining job of undermining his own record.
Suddenly, fed struggled to set up volleys, as Roddick always did.
Still, 34 year old fed could squeak out wins over
the embarrassing 20-32 year old 2003-4 players.

Can you imagine the novak demolition of weak players during 2002-2004?
It certainly wouldn’t be a lucky escape like the Fed 2-4 third set deficit
in the 2004 wimbledon final.

June 13th, 2016 at 11:37 am

skeezer Says:
VP,
No matter how much you try to minimize Feds achievements ….I am sorry it is not going to change anything in the record books. You may be comforted by just accepting it, smile and have a nice day.
—
WB must be related to Lendl, that is the only assumption I can come to.

June 13th, 2016 at 10:41 am

Wog boy, firstly, his name is Skeezer, so get it right please and stop with the schoolboy antics of mis spelling his name. It doesn’t work.

I don’t understand your hatred of Federer or his accomplishments, but then I guess that is why you have the educated crowd and the uneducated crowd. We know which category you fall into.

No amount of listing records or achievements will convince you otherwise, and who would want to?

Anyone? You are tainted in your views and will continue to be disrespectful because that is who you are and what you have become living on someone else’s ego. It’s pretty childish and pathetic really.

Skeezer, Federer is the greatest player of all time, even the players who have beaten him have said he is the greatest player of all time. The greatest players of all time have said that Roger is the greatest Ever, of all time!

Of course, it is their opinion, but not only that, it can be supported over and over again, but why bother with the ignoramus’ of this world. The dullards, they will never get it.

VP, until Roger decides to retire, than sorry to rain on your distorted parade, he will be around longer than you would wish for. So that perhaps will make you become even more depressed?

There, there VP.

June 13th, 2016 at 11:38 am

skeezer Says:
“…we should talk in a few years about records ;).”

Sure! I’ll be around. Will you?

June 13th, 2016 at 11:31 am

Nice one Skeezer.

June 13th, 2016 at 11:51 am

Well, if you’re going to challenge people’s education, you might as well be more learned yourself.

“why bother with the ignoramuses,” not “ignoramus’.”

June 13th, 2016 at 11:51 am

Wog Boy Says:
VP,

Don’t worry about sleezer, the only thing left for him to do on TX is to troll, he is not even good in doing that.

June 13th, 2016 at 10:56 am

Wogboy, seriously. Count your posts here. If anyone is the troll, it is you. I thought you said you were going out?

Bye Wogboy.

June 13th, 2016 at 11:52 am

No such thing as GOAT. Only the best in an era or so.

In the 2004-2016 ERA, the time of the Big 4, we have

1. Roger as the most decorated player and biggest endorsement magnet.
2. Djokovic as the best player, and the brightest of his time.
3. Nadal as the toughest and the King of Clay.
4. Andy as a gifted rival, best Brit player ever, an instant Hall of Fame vote-in.

Key being who is the most decorated with awards, and who is the best…

June 13th, 2016 at 12:22 pm

I’m nominating the Tennis X site for the next Nobel Peace Prize.
Hallelulah.

June 13th, 2016 at 12:32 pm

Madmax,

I am sure we will see Roger in the next few years…as spectator or playing first rounds at tournaments. I am sure this is his last year as top 10 player, tbh.

Skeezer, if I still be around, do not know, I am not that commited to Tennis X as you are, have to admit. But I promise, when Nole will retire, will spare some minutes in order to say hello ;)

June 13th, 2016 at 12:36 pm

P.S. to Madmax,

“There, there VP”. Federer does not depress me. It is more depressiv to read Skeezers repetitiv BS.

June 13th, 2016 at 12:42 pm

Great move by Andy to bring back Lendl. I think the split sent Andy spiraling for a couple of years.

When I watched the FO final, I was annoyed by how Andy approached the match. In hindsight, I don’t think his first set was great. It was more that Novak was stressed and a little off. Andy reverted to the same old tired tactics of staying back and waiting for mistakes that won’t come from Novak. I really thought he would try to drag Novak in with the drop shot more and go for more up the lines. He didn’t do much of either. And for the last three sets, he was 3 to 4 feet behind the baseline for too many points.

Hopefully, Lendl can re-instill that aggressive mind set that has gone AWOL. When Andy beat Novak at Wimbledon in 2013, he did it straight sets and he was tough as nails mentally. I really want to see Andy stop with moping and yelling at the players box. It’s detrimental and it wastes energy. I don’t know if this can be fixed or not but I think that Lendl is one of those coaches that won’t accept excuses or whining. If this can rub off on Andy again, he can win any tournament against anyone.

June 13th, 2016 at 12:43 pm

VP,
I have the solution to your depression. Don’t read my posts. After all, you think their BS anyway.

June 13th, 2016 at 12:52 pm

‘I’m nominating the Tennis X site for the next Nobel Peace Prize.’

And I’ll go to Norway on behalf of everyone to receive our Prize when we win JK
It’s seems just right and you really want to show off Tennis-X with your best.
;0)

June 13th, 2016 at 1:19 pm

Absolutely Calmdownplease…Who else could possibly do it!!!

June 13th, 2016 at 1:25 pm

@J-Kath and CDP – LOL. I think the Nobel Institute should have a new prize to be awarded to people who take things waaaay too seriously.

June 13th, 2016 at 1:32 pm

It has been a glorious exhibition of that today RZ. PS: Where is she, she who has a big, big settee? The Queen can abducate but not the VIP Welsh Lady.

June 13th, 2016 at 1:52 pm

Indeed darling
and I scrub up well in a tux
;0)

June 13th, 2016 at 2:29 pm

Lendl can have a “mental placebo” effect. At this point he will not add much immediatly but Andy may feel a change and start actually winning the main ones. Curious to see how he will fare at Wimbledon. If he gest a good draw again with Fed in Djoko’s half he’ll only face one of them in finals.

June 13th, 2016 at 2:43 pm

Ah. Placebo. Yup. Sure.

June 13th, 2016 at 3:01 pm

A “Lendl wax statue” would have been also good, for placebo effect. Just kidding

June 13th, 2016 at 3:23 pm

The difference between a Lendl wax statue and the real thing is that Andy would not live in fear of a wax statue ripping out his throat if he melted down screamig F-bombs at his team.
Andy was very well behaved with Ivan.
Which shows Andy is fairly smart.

June 13th, 2016 at 3:36 pm

Novak played so badly in 2012-13 Wimbledon.
He already lost to the wimbledon giant Safin.
He lost to fed who needed the
injured choker Benneteau (the slam and finals allergy expert)
to waste away dozens of winning positions.😒

The end of 2013 was the turning point for novak…
How low could he have gone?
Fed fans were calling him the worst slam finalist.
The only way to go for novak was up, as Superman.😝

June 13th, 2016 at 4:03 pm

While Djoker is resting with his family and enjoying life, his opposition is training on grass and trying anything to catch him. Similarly the media and fans of Djoker’s opponents is also doing their part. Media was unusually ‘hush’ about Djoker’s Grand Slam – had it been done by Fed/Rafa/Murray, we would have witnessed a media frenzy of glorification day after day…

Reviewing recent posts here on Tennis X, I can make few conclusions:

– Fed fanatics like skeezer and madmax keep living in past and parroting a tired old falacy “Fed is the Goat”… This person madmax is even boasting that he/she is educated and Djoker fans are not!!! Not surprising at all – in my experience, Fed fans are snobs with false sense of superiority (same as their idol). And it is very probable that Djoker fans are way more educated/multilingual/erudites than those Fed fans (I’m looking at you madmax) who claim their superior education on … wait … a tennis forum. Good for you, PhDs idolizing fuzzy ball basher :-)…

– I see that CDP, the guy who is TOTALLY under influence of British media is personally attacking mat4 and having his hopes up (again) regarding Murray. CDP was very hopeful this FO, repeating British media mantra that after Rome Masters win, Andy is the best clay courter with the real chance to beat Djoker at FO (we all know how that ended). Now again, poor CDP believes British media drivel that hiring Lendl will somehow transform Murray to winning machine. I said it before – I like Andy and he is a great player and even better person, but he is simply not at Djoker level and never will be no matter who coaches him – they are the same age and look at their respective achievements and head-to-head. It’s OK to wish the best for Andy (like margot and J-kath), but to truly believe he is suddenly better than Djoker because he has Lendl as his coach, is foolish and in line with British media – probably the worst and dumbest media on the planet…

– And finally we have Rafa fans whose speciality here is sock puppeting. There are many poster names (Green Lady, Hippie Chick, Alison, Jalep, Willow, Brando, Lakie, Mem) but it is likely only two or three real people. And their syndrome of pathological hate is caused by steady beatdown of their idol by The Djoker – it is almost understandable – what is not understandable is the need to use different nicknames… I guess they are trying to deceive us all somehow… Cute!

So my response to all this confusion is – let losers be losers! Under “loser” category, I mean all tennis media, Federer/Nadal/Murray, and their fanatical fans (note that I’m not including sane fans in this group)…

I choose to focus on facts:
1. What is the current ATP ranking?
2. Who is the best tennis player on the planet (by a country mile)?
3. Who is holding all four majors?
4. Has anyone held all four majors since 1960’s?
5. Is it likely (more than 50%) that the current ATP #1 will stay at that spot for 2-3 more years?
6. Is it likely (more than 50%), considering his competition, that the current ATP #1 will keep winning majors until he is 35?

Once you ask these questions yourselves, you will get more clarity on the GOAT status!

As far as who is educated and who is not, or who is loved by fans, or who dopes, or who plays “beautifully’, or who has better/prettier coach…. I’ll leave that to Fedal + dumb Murray fans – don’t get facts get in a way of your reasoning.

PS
I truly hope this post gets a bit quicker through Tennis X moderation, in which I was out due to complaints by hypocritical fans who post wayyyyy worse stuff than me. The only difference – I am not whining and complaining and asking for them to be moderated…
Leaving my posts in moderation for 4-5 hours has a censorship effect – once they are up, no one sees them since many non-moderated posts have been accumulated and one would have to scroll way up to see my post… Tennis X, please listen to good old Ramones and their song “Censorshit” – you’ll se what I mean…

June 13th, 2016 at 4:08 pm

Sean has stopped monitoring and deleting. He’s writing a book called : “WHY?”

“I’ve got no family; no sex life; no so-called normal pleasures.”
“BECAUSE
I manage a virtual care home for the biggest bunch of multi-national weirdos ever known.”

PS: He’s still looking for material, so all you have to do is be yourselves.

June 13th, 2016 at 6:32 pm

Fed rules. 17. Simple math. Top it and then gloat.

June 13th, 2016 at 6:44 pm

Travis: My Sean comments were submitted before I saw yours. Still, they are quite timely in relation to what I said seconds later….(If Sean doesn’t write it…then someone else could…not too much fiction needs to be added., me thinks).

Seriously, I have a sinking feeling in my gut for the new Lendl + Andy programme. I hope I’m wrong.

June 13th, 2016 at 6:58 pm

TB,
Do agree with #1, #2, and #3 ….currently. And he should be heavily favored for Wimbledon.

June 13th, 2016 at 7:28 pm

This is easy.

According to Mr. Laver… 11 = 17. Crazy Mr. Laver doesn’t know math! But it isn’t so simple, is it?

11 higher quality = 17 lesser quality.
Brilliant Mr. Laver!

And then FO2016 happened!

12 higher quality plus 4-in-a-row >>> 17 lesser quality.

Got it?

June 13th, 2016 at 8:19 pm

Van Persie, seems like you ran out of arguments so started attacking me. That doesn’t change the facts. stick to talking about tennis, tennis players and their records. No need to attack anyone on this forum in frustration. It won’t change the facts.

June 13th, 2016 at 9:13 pm

James is reincarnation of Brando, or maybe Brando himself.
We got your message, you keep repeating it like a parrot for the last few months, this is the weakest era of all and Nole is lucky to be in that era. We don’t mind it, just hopping that it’ll last for anothrr 3 to 4 years. Now relax, you see, it is easy, we believe you…

June 13th, 2016 at 9:39 pm

I see, now I am in moderation, good job Sean:)

June 13th, 2016 at 9:41 pm

Simple math, for people who can’t handle complexity?

June 13th, 2016 at 9:55 pm

Simple math, for those who Cannot handle all numerous time records.

June 13th, 2016 at 9:57 pm

Unless I am reading Skeezer all wrong. I’m pretty sure if Nole beats Federer’s records, he will acknowledge all of them and not make excuses for Federer. I don’t understand why people are insulting Skeezer. His reasoning isn’t flawed in this matter. I would say that Novak and even Becker would agree that Federer will always be considered the best until the record books don’t say so anymore. I am in agreement with this as well. I think that Nole is much closer after winning the French Open. But the numbers will have to continue to climb in order for it to be that clear cut. I think Skeezer will even say that Nole is better than Federer if Feds numbers get passed. Am I right Skeezer? Or have I read you all wrong?

June 13th, 2016 at 10:23 pm

Dave,
Yes! You have unlocked the simple code of the Novak GOATness. I’ll will be here to congratulate him and his fans with admiration, love and respect when that happens.
In the meantime, the “others” you will notice have no respect for Fed. So this is what they get. Rebuke. Has nothing to do with Nole’s accomplishments, great in there own right.

June 13th, 2016 at 10:38 pm

I didn’t feel the need to comment today until all of the weak era talk subsided, as I refuse to get involved in those discussions anymore. So we can agree on the numbers being the clear indicator. That’s good. I’m actually one of the few on here that actually doesn’t underestimate Federer being able to win another major in the next few years. I know many feel he is done. I for one don’t feel that way at all. He has a good enough overall game that he can still beat anyone at a major not named Novak. So that would mean that he still has a chance as Novak is human and can have an off day at a major and possibly lose before the final or semi-finals. I still need to see more visible ageing effects before I write Federer off. He could still grind out a major and rush people into errors, playing fast tennis to win a major. I’m not saying I want this to happen of course, but I do respect the amount of talent that Federer still has at his disposal even at almost 35 years old.

June 13th, 2016 at 10:49 pm

@Dave 10:23pm..as usual a very fair and very unbiased post..even though you’re a nole fan but you’re never insulted or talking bad about other fans..always give a fair comment when it’s due..to me you’re breath of a fresh air here..thank you for that..err..can i have your autograph please?He he..

June 13th, 2016 at 11:04 pm

AndyMira,

Thanks for the compliment. I appreciate it. You are very positive in your comments as well. I have always enjoyed your comments.

June 13th, 2016 at 11:49 pm

“I see, now I am in moderation, good job”
Is this crybaby material? Looks like…
Reap/Sow.

June 13th, 2016 at 11:50 pm

Aww..Dave..thank you very much..to hear that from you is very encouraging actually..in honesty,after the FO..when we read some of the comments here made me very sad indeed..why we need to hurt other’s feelings with a very hurtful words,why can’t we respect each other even though we have different idol or view in some matters..of course we have different opinion in everything..but to degraded and insult other’s just to make our own opinion looked right..to me will not solve anything..we just end up hurting people’s feelings..because at the end of the day..we’re only human being..have the same red blood in our vein..and also very capable of affection and warmth..why don’t we practice that instead of hatred?

June 14th, 2016 at 12:06 am

At least you can let through my answer to Mr Skeezer just to know that he doesn’t have reason to gloat, on the opposite!

June 14th, 2016 at 1:05 am

Travis Bickle @4.08pm, YAWN, your obviously lack something in your personal life, when you feel the need to bully and attack other posters, my monikors all reflect my real life persona, and i have never hidden who i am, i just like to change them once in a while , and BTW i dont hate Nole he has class, you however dont ….

June 14th, 2016 at 3:43 am

And at the risk of repeating myself, what Novaks done, and continuing to do is something unpreCedented, HELL only the other day, i agreed with the commies at the FO, whom most said when it comes to deciding the GOAT, i would give the nod to Nole, as he has won all his majors beating a top 4 opponent, where as Roger not to take anything away from him hasnt, and im a Rafa fan who has no axe to grind either way ….

And i also said as a Rafa fan, i have no qualms what-so-ever with Novak surpassing his records, as records were made to be broken, and not a players personal property, or something that they have some god given right to, for me it was never about records anyway, but the man himself ….

But according to the strange logic of some, im pretending to be a fan of this player, when im a fan of that player, hiding behind sock puppets, and not aloud to have more than one favorite, or root for another player, unless his name happens to be Novak ….

June 14th, 2016 at 4:54 am

@Willow:

TB doesn’t know that you regularly changes monikers, and that we always know who you are. I guess that if he was able to interact more with the rest of us, ask questions and get answers, he would quickly know who is who, and then, his excellent sense of humour will be the prominent trait for the normal posters here.

Although, this time, while I figured out right away who Willow is, I forgot it later and stopped reading your posts.

Cheers, dear Willow, Alison, GL, GC, HC… Hope your fav will get well soon. It would a pity for Novak to beat a diminished Rafa ;-)

June 14th, 2016 at 5:13 am

@T-x staff:

It’s really time for Travis Bickle to stopped being moderated. If he deserves to be moderated, then a lot of other posters deserve it too, and some even banned in all fairness.

June 14th, 2016 at 5:17 am

‘I see that CDP, the guy who is TOTALLY under influence of British media is personally attacking mat4’

I’m under the ‘influence’ of NO ONE
I shall attack whoever I please too
Although, I’d call it a mild ribbing rather than an ‘attack’
In fact if I so please I’ll go for the lot of you!
Only the moderator would be able to save your sorry asses too.

June 14th, 2016 at 5:19 am

‘but to truly believe he is suddenly better than Djoker because he has Lendl as his coach, is foolish and in line with British media’

No one F**ING said that, did they?
You (Some of the Novak fans) are the ones that are going ON AND ON ABOUT IT!
Another thing, we better not hear any complaints about the partisan crowds at Wimbledon (Hello Mrs Djokovic) after that shower of white trash boors at Roland Garros with their pathetic, vulgar behaviour.
What a bucnh of classless yahoos!

June 14th, 2016 at 5:26 am

#bunch

ooolalala!
;)

June 14th, 2016 at 5:27 am

And who the hell claimed anything about Murray schooling Novak, simply because he has Lendel on board, i think the only thing posters said was that it was a good addition, and that he could instill that mental drive missing from Murray, when he faces Novak, but hell whatever ? ….

June 14th, 2016 at 5:36 am

I wonder how long it will last? Murray character does not like discipline. Changing the foundation of a person character is not easy (if possible?) at 29. What kind of future excuses will be given by Lendl or Murray as a reason for another separation?

June 14th, 2016 at 5:53 am

Given the age of the most spectators from Wimbledon, I expect more faints caused by the heat (if it will be hot) and less booing

June 14th, 2016 at 6:09 am

Here’s a very interesting stat which appeared after the news of Lendl returning. Andy’s FH speeds:

Pre-Lendl 119 KM/H

During Lendl 127 KM/H

Since Lendl 121 KM/h

https://twitter.com/0try/status/741961875781517313

It might be marginal talking about 7 KM/H here or there but very significant in finishing shots. At least I found it interesting :)

June 14th, 2016 at 6:09 am

Hey okie..if you read tx..i just want ask..how are you today?Okay?After your fb can function normally again,i’ve got to ask your e mail,so we don’t have to depend on fb alone..okay?

June 14th, 2016 at 6:56 am

To all rafa fans..this is an article for you guys..http://www.sportskeeda.com/tennis/rafael-nadal-is-destiny-playing-a-part…sorry Andy for hijack your thread..

June 14th, 2016 at 7:26 am

Thanks Mat4, its from Brit Eklands character from cult horror film The Wicker Man, anyhow as i repeat ive never hidden who i am, and i never have, and never will, it just p*sses me off that posters assume then because they havent always read your posts, that you must be hiding something, or your a hater, i only took a posting break as i was sick of all the back and forth, and having to justify myself all the time, when actually i have talked up for Novak and Roger numerous times, anyhow this time ive chosen to not get too involved in all the back and forths, and just to put my point across without interacting too much, thats all ….

June 14th, 2016 at 8:37 am

That’s the thing Skeezer – we can handle them. But we can – gasp – also handle *other information*. OMG!

But I’ll give you a pass, as you must be devastated at the home loss of the Warriors.

June 14th, 2016 at 9:05 am

BBB, he only understands “simple math”.

Fortunately, Laver, Sampras and Agassi and many others understand there is more to consider.

Only a few fedfans won’t admit it publicly (even though they know deep down it is true).

Laver is a HUGE fedfan but even he is enough of a tennis fan to know better. And I believe he played tennis of I’m not mistaken so there goes that old excuse.

June 14th, 2016 at 9:18 am

AndyMira,

I understand how difficult it was with the comments after the F.O. That’s why it’s so good to have positive posts as well to kind of counteract the negative stuff. As you probably already know, if Nole wins Wimbledon, the negative comments and attacks will only get worse and probably be taken to a whole new level. I might even take a vacation from the forum during that time until everything cools down if that’s the case. You made an honest assessment of how you felt. Thanks for that. Don’t ever let negativity of others change you, or the way you comment about things. I don’t think it ever would anyways.

June 14th, 2016 at 9:41 am

Dave,

Please try to imagine this place if Novak would have lost the FO ;)

June 14th, 2016 at 9:51 am

VP,

Trust me, I realize that if he loses or win Wimbledon or if he would have lost the F.O. it’s a lose lose situation. If he wins, he is a cheater or he is in the weakest era of all-time. If he loses, he is a choker will never measure up. And than on top of all that, people attacking each other because they like different players than the other person. Not a fun place to be when that is going on.

June 14th, 2016 at 9:55 am

Well, Sh.t happens here once in a while, but I much prefer the ” If he wins, he is a cheater or he is in the weakest era of all-time.” version, tbh.

June 14th, 2016 at 10:14 am

Elina, the thing is, people should use whatever criteria they want. But the attitude that there’s only ONE WAY of looking at it, and that one way happens to be totally self-serving, is ridiculous.

June 14th, 2016 at 10:29 am

That attitude pretty much we can say today comes from one faction only BBB. It’s hilarious.

June 14th, 2016 at 10:43 am

Elina, exactly. Laver’s views were the sine qua non, until his views changed.

June 14th, 2016 at 10:54 am

Hey Dave..how are you today?Yeah..i read ALL the comments here..whether it’s negative or positive..i didn’t leave one single post..sometimes after read it we felt our chest hurt and tight as if we just came from a very dark places..that’s why i said your post is like a breath of a fresh air..it was like after we swallow a bitter pill and we need a sweet after that..i don’t understand why people can’t appreciate what we have today..i mean,we’ve got not 1 but 4 remarkable,amazing,incredible,fantastic player at the same time!Why can’t we honour them just like they deserve to be honoured..we’ve been so lucky to witness the most amazing quartet in our lives..doesn’t matter whether it’s roger or rafa or novak or andy..they’re all incredible!We should praised them not insult..if they can act very professional towards each other,attending party together,have fun and joke with each other,take photos together,hugging and smiling even for public sake but that’s enough right?Why can’t we take that for example..oh not the hugging thingy!but the civilize conversation will do for a start!

June 14th, 2016 at 11:03 am

@AndyMira, Dave:

Even yesterday I was thinking about stopping posting here all together. But, I am a tennis fan, and there are many posters I like here. And it’s not the first time things are this way. If you leave, stop posting, who will remain?

This place is sometimes very rough — it’s an open blog, that’s how it is usually. But with a little patience, ignoring the trolls, we still can creatively argue about tennis, our favs, etc. The guideline is always the same — to respect each other. Perhaps I am not a big fan of Rafa, and perhaps my opinion of Andy is not the best there is, but I will do my best to respect their fans, even if it means to avoid some topics and to avoid interfering in their chats. I guess it’s OK.

So, once again: if all the sensible posters leave, who will stay?

June 14th, 2016 at 11:15 am

It’s also a good idea not to take things too seriously. It’s a forum with mostly anonymous chatters.

June 14th, 2016 at 11:25 am

Mat4,

I have only been posting for less than a year. So I don’t know what it was like in the past. Since I have been here, this period during the French Open and after the French Open has been by far the worst. I felt the same way as you and thought about quitting posting all together as well. It will get out of control if the sensible posters leave. I’m hoping once in a while we can have nice discussions about tennis as well in the future. This next few months seems like it will be utter chaos. So I am thinking about taking a vacation from the forum until after the U.S. Open is over and there are no more majors for a while. But this is Olympic and major season at the moment. So unfortunately, I see things only getting worse on this forum from here.

Andy Mira,

You are right about respecting players. And respecting each other is very important as well. Maybe by setting a good example, it can eventually rub off on others and they will change the way they post. You can’t really tell others what to do, because that never seems to work. Only setting a good example by our actions is what can work. And for some, they will never change, and that’s just the reality of things. Staying positive and respecting each other is the only solution to all of this.

June 14th, 2016 at 11:31 am

Let me guess. Fed fans are all about fairness.
Like their idol. Competition level is always strong against fed. Lol😜
Most of his fans are not much different from Fed fanatics.

Their twisted view of reality is as weak as his darling “rival” Roddick.
All over Twitter & other forums where sick fed fan mods are
banning people for saying novak
improved his game more than fed.
Meanwhile, most fed fan lies & abuse in those forums
were ignored for 12 years!
I remember Fed pretending to be the
beautiful fighter that preached that playing on court was
a privilege where you have to always be a
very fit, great person and other
sweet lovely things like angels + unicorns.
“You” as in only Novak.
Of course, fed never loses when he has viruses & injury!

June 14th, 2016 at 11:43 am

Hey Mat4,i think this is just the second time we’re interacted with each other even though i’m already 2 1/2 half years here but doesn’t matter,i always enjoyed reading your post..very knowledgeable and very insightful..honestly you’re one of the smartest posters here and i respect you very much because of that..and truth to be told,i don’t mind either that you don’t like rafa,we’re all free agent..even though sometimes it hurt when someone slammed the player that we think don’t deserve to be slammed but it is what it is and just swallow the pain and forget it.. and i respect your honesty Mat4..really..and i hope you keep posting in the future.. coz you’re also one of the sensible posters here..and i will miss reading your sensible comments that’s for sure..

June 14th, 2016 at 12:22 pm

Hey Dave..i also hope you keep posting here everyday..it’s very enjoyable to exchange comments with you..sometimes be able to exchange comments with sensible posters can make you sane..and you’re also very knowledgeable about tennis..and that is enough for me..you know what Dave?If anyone else wants to hop on the players bandwagon..i on the other hand wants to hop on your bandwagon..if there is still have a free seat that is..

June 14th, 2016 at 12:38 pm

haha. Your funny.

June 14th, 2016 at 1:48 pm

Who?Me?Unfortunately..that is also one of my sensible quality Dave..err..may i ask?Horse bandwagon or cow bandwagon?

June 14th, 2016 at 2:05 pm