Has Andy Roddick Become David Ferrer?
by Sean Randall | August 15th, 2009, 2:10 pm
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Okay, it’s a stretch, but Andy Roddick and David Ferrer are no longer that diametrically opposite on a tennis court anymore. Just watch him play and you, too, will see some similarities. Roddick, er, the new Roddick, as we have seen this year is more patient, more willing to rally and keep the ball in play and clearly more mobile than the old Roddick who would relentlessly annihilate forehands from 8ft behind the baseline and lumber about the court.

He’s basically turned into Ferrer, just with a bigger serve, and it’s working! Credit to him and his new coach, Larry Stefanki, as at first I didn’t think it could be done

I first mentioned this new Andy at Indian Wells and I didn’t like it. I like the overall philosophy of getting fitter, getting balls back into play, playing smarter, etc., I just didn’t think Roddick had the goods and discipline to execute such a plan. I also thought the top guys would feast on Roddick’s spinny middle-of-the-court ground strokes, and early on they did.

But to Roddick’s credit he’s closer to the baseline, keeping the ball deep, mixing up his spins and he has much more shot direction off his backhand now. And like Ferrer in David’s heyday, he’s returning serve much better and making the other guy hit that extra shot and it’s paying off.

We saw against Novak Djokovic, Fernando Verdasco and even Roger Federer in the Wimbledon final, that the longer the rally goes the better for Roddick.

Who would have believed he could have done that a year ago? What a stunning transformation!

Just how far this new tactic will take him is really up to how long and how hard he’s willing to work at it. But for the moment I’m buying in. Now if he can only done a headband, bounce around like a jitter bug and speak a little Spanish, he’ll really be David Ferrer, just with a bigger serve.

As for today against Juan Martin Del Potro, I’m picking Roddick. I thought the courts would be faster in Montreal but the guys on the tube are saying it’s slower than Washington, so advantage goes to the guy who gets more balls back – Roddick! Plus I think DelPo going to be a little fatigued with all the tennis he’s played. Roddick played a lot too, but I don’t think the Argy is fitter than Andy.

But if DelPo is at his highest level he’ll beat Andy because he matches up good again him. His height helps against Andy’s serve and as we saw last Sunday he has more than enough power to muscle the ball around the court.

In the earlier match, I speculated yesterday that Murray might not lose a set this tournament, we’ll I’m sticking to that. I think he’ll straight-set Jo-Wilfried Tsonga in a match that begins in about an hour. Though the Frenchman has the game to do it if he can get on a hot streak so in some ways it’s up to JW the outcome of this one.

Of course yesterday we saw both Federer and Rafael Nadal lose. Federer’s gag up 5-1 in the third set was very reminiscent of his play earlier in the year when he kept blowing leads to the top guys. Clearly it’s in his head and his recent Slam wins didn’t clear out those cobwebs. It’s still in there. And as of now I don’t like his chances in Cincinnati and it’s tough to pick him at the Open.

For Rafa, Camp Nadal warned us he wouldn’t be in top shape this week and whether or not that was indeed the case, DelPo got the better of him again last night. I guess I have to ask when will Rafa be Rafa again, if ever? If he’s not playing in Cincinnati next weekend it’s tough to see him lasting until the US Open final weekend.

And the same goes for Novak. If you are not playing on the weekends during the summer you are not going to be playing on that final weekend at the US Open. It’s been done, but it’s tough do and if Novak doesn’t get his act together quick he’s going to slide out of the Top 5 very soon. After a strong clay season and a good start to the year it’s surprising to see how far he’s regressed.


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474 Comments for Has Andy Roddick Become David Ferrer?

Daniel Says:

I’m a big Delpo fan but I agree that Roddick will win tonight, Delpo looks clearly tired and he is acussing some back problems and Roddick just seems like a guy on a mission right now, he won’t be denied. I think he will beat Murray on the final also.


Veno Says:

“Clearly it’s in his head and his recent Slam wins didn’t clear out those cobwebs. It’s still in there. And as of now I don’t like his chances in Cincinnati and it’s tough to pick him at the Open.”

Lol Sean….You base all that on only one fact? And that is that Fed “gagged” at 5-1? The way he let it slip last night against Jo-Willy is hardly reminiscent of how he “choked” during the first part of the season. Translating it to last year…He won the US Open after he lost QF to James Blake in Beijing, lost to Karlovic in R16 in Cincy, lost to Simon in R32 in Toronto. So he was 4-3 in win-loss before arriving in Flushing Meadows and we all know how that ended….


blah Says:

No. Roddick’s serve is vastly superior, he has a bigger and better forehand, more power on all of his strokes, and is a better player than Ferrer ever was, even without the serve. And the serve is a huge difference, I don’t recall Ferrer being that great at holding his service games; they have a completely different approach. How did you get this comparison other than increased mobility and patience?


Steve@Tennisnewz Says:

Del Potro was completely worn out yesterday. Roddick should roll through pretty easily today. I think Del Potro should think about taking some time off before the US Open or he’ll be too tired to get very far. He looked like he could barely move against Nadal and wasn’t able to get down to low balls at all. Roddick can play the low slice a lot and Del Potro will miss a lot. I picked Murray to win this week and am sticking with it. He’s pretty good at reading Roddick’s serve and has a pretty good edge in a rally.

I don’t really agree that Roddick plays much like Ferrer. He moves better than he used to but Ferrer used to be able to get every ball back into play, like Rafa before he started getting more of an offensive game, and like Hewitt when he was in his prime. Roddick doesn’t play the same defensive style. He’s able to get a lot of balls back, but I don’t think it’s the same type of game as Ferrer. If it was you wouldn’t have seen so many clean winners by Verdasco.

I also don’t think that Federer’s loss to Tsonga was at all the same as his losses earlier in the year. I actually think his mentality was completely opposite in this match than how it was in his other losses. Here he looks almost too relaxed and not really focused. Not surprising given his summer. Against Tsonga it looked like he thought the match was basically over, started missing a lot, Tsonga started hitting winners again, and Federer never really improved. But the difference is that I don’t think he really cared too much. Earlier in the year he was pressing and looked legitimately concerned about his game. I’m sure he’s disappointed about blowing a lead but happy to get a few games and was treating this really just as a warmup tournament. He’s probably better off to have lost like that to Tsonga than to Murray in the next round because he knows he could have won if he wouldn’t have lost his concentration. Going down in straights to Murray would probably effect him more if they were to meet at the US Open. I don’t think he’ll win next week either but will probably play better than he did this week. Everyone who played Washington played brutal in that tournament but most have picked it up a bit this week. The guys who didn’t play last week were pretty rusty early this week. You can’t judge much by a first tournament on a different surface after a long break. Other than that Cilic needs to change something. One first match loss and you can blame the break. Two in a row and something’s off.


Kimmi Says:

Beautiful tennis from Murray, he is on fire…


Von Says:

Whoa, comparing Andy Roddick to David Ferrer is like comparing oranges to apples.


Von Says:

Roddick does not need to play Ferrer’s grinder game because he has a major weapon — his serve. Once Roddick breaks, he’s not going to employ much of a get the ball back strategy, he tries to conserve his energy, because he knows he’ll hold his serve. Ferrer, on the other hand, doesn’t have the luxury of relying on his serve and conserving his energy, and it’s the reason why he needs to get EVERY ball back into play regardless of whether he’s ahead or not.


Colin Says:

First set to Murray 6-4. He seemed to be letting Tsonga back into the match, but – phew!- the set’s won. Tsonga is sporadically brilliant, but at the moment it looks good for Murray.


Veno Says:

Hey Kimmi, Murray will win the tournament, but I’m not watching his game…Can’t put myself to it. He’s a great tennis player and tactician, but he annoyes the bajeezers out me. His ocd-ticks(look at him twitching his jaw…comparable to a cocaine user lol) his “c’mons” and “focussssss” at an exaggerated number of points(and also after how he wins a lot of those points) and his passive play while holding all the assets to play offensively just make it really hard for me to enjoy watching him play. Saw a couple of games and it will be a straight setter for him over Jo-Willy. And is it me(ok Fed is a little boring too…but he’s Swiss lol) but my goodness, I fall asleep when I hear Murray speak and see his facial expressions when talking about tennis…presumably his biggest passion in life!!!


Kimmi Says:

Veno, LOL LOL. God, I here you. For me I really don’t care much what players do on the court, what I watch is tennis. If they WOW me (fed, Murray) with their shots, this is what I like. And I love Murray.

Looking G-O-O-D for Murray now, hope he gets out in straight…then we have new NUMBER 2


Kimmi Says:

Should be ‘God, I hear you….


Dan Martin Says:

When does the U.S. Open seeding occur? Would next weeks rankings be the basis or the week after Cincy?


Veno Says:

Kimmi, of course Andy hits some awe-ing shots, but as soon as I enjoy one of those, he seems to “muck” it up for me by, well, being Andy Murray


Veno Says:

Hey Dan, I think it will be the announced the Friday one week before the the USO starts…so that would be after Cincy-ranking….


Kimmi Says:

I agree Veno, and thats why he is frustrating for me to watch him sometimes. The match point at wimbledon with Roddick just made me MAD with capital M. He was so passive and credit for Roddick to take the opportunity given to him

But HC is his fave surface, he played the best tennis of life last year. Can’t forget the match he played with Nadal US 08..that was the time I knew Andy he is here to stay.


Veno Says:

Nyone else know when the USO seeding will be announced?

I wanna know now lol


Scottish Says:

Hey all, Murray still doesn’t seem that impressive to me. He’s playing obviously well but not crazy good. Tsonga has some great shots in him but also many loose ones. If he can reign those in he would be a much stronger contender.

Really excited about the match tonight. I don’t think JMDP will be as tired as everyone thinks although I do think Roddick has the upper hand. But regardless it will be a great match


Veno Says:

Here in the Netherlands my friends and I call him “rattie” which loosely translated means gerbal…


Joe Says:

What does Andy roddick need to do the next couple tournys to pass novak in the rankings?


Veno Says:

JMDP always looks tired imo…I agree with Scottish, the tall Argy will be fine tonight.
Like at Legg Mason I think it’s going to be a 3 set thriller….


Kimmi Says:

Tsonga..a lot of close calls there…a big fighter he is.


Scottish Says:

Come on Tsonga break him now!!


Kimmi Says:

I agree about JMDP, always look tired. Him and Nadal are guilty of taking too much time between points.

Murray in danger here.


Kimmi Says:

Tsonga..either hitting out or on the net..aaaarg..


Scottish Says:

Ugh. Tsonga at 0-30 and plays 4 awful shots. Hard to get on this guys bandwagon. He has played some really ugly tennis this tournament and the reason he can’crack the elite group.


Von Says:

Tsonga needs a compass on some of his shots. He’s ala Blake, Gonzalez at times.

JMDP puts on that act of looking tired. Hanescu fell for it yesterday, ouch!


Von Says:

It looks like the second set will go to a tie-break.


Kimmi Says:

If Tsonga can take this to a tiebreaker, it could be anyones set…


Scottish Says:

Hey Von, looking forward to seeing our boys play tonight. Hope you will still chat to me if JMDP kicks his butt? :-)


Von Says:

Scottish: Hi, yes, it should be a great match tonight. Why do you want for JMDP to kick Roddick’s butt? Of course I’ll speak to you either way, but I want for Roddick to win. I don’t care about kicking butt though, just for Andy to win. LOL.


Kimmi Says:

Tsonga could take this Tiebreaker..he is one throwing the kitchen sink here…


Von Says:

For Tsonga to win this tie-break he’s going to have to get up to the net most of the time.


Scottish Says:

Oh I’m just teasing ya! I’d like to see a close match. I will say this though that whoever is going to win I’d like him to do it in 2 sets so they can have some energy for tomorrow.


Von Says:

Scottish: Yes, it would be good if it’s over in two sets. I don’t know why they have to play the second match 4 hours later, as it gives the winner of that match 4 less hours of recovery time. I know some claim it doesn’t make a difference, but 4 hours less relaxation time and recovery is a lot IMO.


Kimmi Says:

Tsonga WOOOOW


Veno Says:

I hope Tsonga wins the tiebreaker, but still not watching…

Watching Chris Rock here!!! Good to get some laughs in :)

“Ladies, your man is nastier than you ever can imagine! The fact he comes when…(fill in the dots)with you DOES NOT MEAN YOU MAKE HIM COME!”

Sorry, had to put that in…ROFL here….


Von Says:

Wow, did Tsonga get lucky there!


Kimmi Says:

Veno, You are missing the best tie breaker ever…


Veno Says:

That’s ok Kimmi…Murray in straights…I’ll stick to that…


Von Says:

Wow, is Tsonga playing on the edge of a precipice or what?

Veno: stop being so stubborn, this tiebreak is very exciting!


Kimmi Says:

Tsonga Gutsy…he get set point here…


Veno Says:

Yeah, But Chris is funny!!!!


Von Says:

And, Murray wins!


Colin Says:

YES!!
The gerbil is the new World No 2.


Kimmi Says:

Veno..you are right. You have a cristal ball ? …Murray new NUMBER 2


Veno Says:

Man, I am 13 out of 15 in correct predicting the last 15 matches….On fire!!!!!


Von Says:

Both guys are good servers and both had low ace counts, four aces each. Roddick is right, the court IS slower.


Scottish Says:

Grrrrr. Tsonga had him and gave it away. Frustrating. As much as I don’t like AM he has earned his #2 ranking. He’s going to have some real tough competition to keep it especially since he has some points to defend. As for Tsonga, luck to make it this far in Montreal and needs to get rid of the loose shots if he wants to make it further.


Veno Says:

Only 2 I’ve had wrong were JMDP’s win over A-Rod in Washington and Fed’s loss to Jo-Willy yesterday…

Lottery tickets here I come!

Congrats to the Murray fans!!! He delivers again…

And what big news that AM has disturbed the RR stronghold on positions 1-2!!! Gotta respect that!


Veno Says:

Von Says:

Veno: “Yes, I will be watching Von…Whom else’s hands will you be squeezing tonight?”

Only yours. No one else in my family likes tennis — it’s soccer, soccer and more soccer; then baseball, ice-hockey and basketball. Get the picture — I’m the odd ball out with tennis. LOL.

Posted August 15th, 2009 at 4:34 pm

Veno Says:

I remember you telling me that…but rest assured…it is good that you are the factor balancing everything in your family :)

Posted August 15th, 2009 at 4:47 pm


Von Says:

Veno: Doesn’t Murry have Cincy points to defend?


Veno Says:

Lol Von, Cincy points already deducted due to the different scheduling last year on account of the Beijing Olympics


Veno Says:

“Don’t disappoint me grasshopper!”


Veno Says:

Chris Rock Rocks!!!!!!

Good recipe to lighten the serious things I encounter, like every one, during the week.

Tennis, sports in general(Woods ripping up Hazeltine and the rest of the field) and a good laugh is what makes me keep looking like a 25-year-old :)


Kimo Says:

It’s very hard for me to predict the outcome of either semi.

Tsonga is always a big of a question mark. He has the goods, but will he deliver today or is it gonna be an up again, down again ride like the rest of his career? He does have the game to trouble Murray, so let’s see what his game plan is.

JMDP vs. Roddick is extremely hard to predict. In their last match in Washington, when they exchanged ends at 6-6 in the last set TB, both of them had won an equal no. of points. They’re just so close right now.


Kimo Says:

One more thing: I think no one is better suited to punish Murray’s embarrasing 2nd serve better than Tsonga, and I’m sure his coach told him that.


Von Says:

Veno: I forgot the shift in schedule. OY. Roddick didn’t play Cincy last year and I’m thinking he’d be able to add some points next week, which should be good going int the USO. Yes?.


Veno Says:

Kimo, in what time dimension are you residing? This is the second time you talk about predictions after the match has already ended. Murray won 4 and 6 :)


Kimo Says:

huh? What I’m watching right now isn’t live?!!

Has the other semi started yet?


Kimo Says:

Veno said:

“This is the second time you talk about predictions after the match has already ended. ”

Just outta curiousity, when was the first time?


Veno Says:

Von, if Andy keeps this up, reaches the final or maybe even win the whole thing he’s sure closing in on Novak fast and…hje’ll be keeping JMDP off his back….And I’m sure next to looking at things 1 match at a time, A-Rod is thinking about this too….It’s good to have a quantitative focal point next to a personal focus of doing as best you can


Veno Says:

Kimo, could be a first too…not really in the mood to look back at yesterday or the day before yesterday’s posts, but I thought it was a comment by you(maybe someone else) regarding a preview at a time the match already ended…


Veno Says:

Kimo, Roddick-DelPo starts at 7 pm EST..in about an hour and a half :)


Scottish Says:

I hope Roddick and JMDP both take over Djoko. They both seem to have more drive than him right now. It’s really exciting to see how the rest of the year pans out.


Kimo Says:

Isn’t it kinda stupid to have two hours between semis when the final is played the very next day?

Anyway, thanks Veno.


Scottish Says:

Yeah Kimo a number have expressed that. I can’t understand how they do it. Same with Fed and Tsonga. They played the night before then have to play in the afternoon. Didn’t make sense. The final semi should be started already. It probably has to do with TV schedules.


Veno Says:

Good point Kimo, doesn’t seem quite fair, especially because the final tomorrow is in the early afternoon….


Kimmi Says:

Most tourneys in North America likes to separate the two sessions (to sell more tickets I guess) but ones in europe have them one semi followed by another…


Kimmi Says:

Dinara Safina played like number 1 in cincy, congratulations to her, maybe she is slowly shutting up her critics :)


Dan Martin Says:

Congrats to Murray. I mean he is the luckiest player of all time to get #2 like this but congrats. (Joking about the luck thing – injuries are part of sports)


Veno Says:

Kimmi, Kimmi, Kimmi, why oh why are you going there again looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool

Until she starts playing like a number 1 in Slams I will not deter from my galvanized opinion, which she has so thoroughly and ferociously proven time and time again.


Kimmi Says:

LOOOL Veno, I thought i will get a reaction from you..and its right up there.


Veno Says:

Ok, Kimmi, caught me…flew off the handle like you wanted me to hahahaha…


Veno Says:

Vonnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Still over an hour to wait!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Dan Martin Says:

First time since Hewitt in July 2005 that Federer and Nadal did not make up the top 2 in tennis. Pretty impressive for all 3 players.


Scottish Says:

Yeah Veno, annoying to wait. At least there’s the PGA Championship. :-)


Veno Says:

Yes Scottish…Didn’t think any player would challenge Tiger, but I couldn’t have been wrong more. I’ll stick to predicting tennis outcomes, seems only that is my forté :)


Veno Says:

Darn, The Big Easy(how about having the best nickname in the world) back-to-back bogeyd 16 and 17. Woods still looking in control though. Glad to see “Paddy” back in form though…


Scottish Says:

Lol yeah Veno but unlike Fed this week Tiger won’t crumble. Tiger is definitely the most impressive contender on the planet. He’s not my fave by a long shot. I don’t like him at all but his game and ability to close out victories is really unmatched.


Veno Says:

Have to be careful there Scottish…
True, he is a phenom in the world of sports but Golf is a whole different cattle a fish than tennis…

As a player of both sports I know it is extremely difficult to translate similarities across to the other in discussing dominance, mental strength and overall results….


Scottish Says:

Oh yeah Veno I have played both sports and I would never compare the two. I just don’t think anyone has had the dominance of closing out victories as Tiger has.


Kimmi Says:

Tiger was leading by 4 shots when they started today, then the guys started to catch up slowly..suddenly the big lead has evaporated, its now too close and getting interesting…I like watching tiger..


Veno Says:

Very true!!!

But in comparing I always use this statement to have people think about:(and it’s funny it has NEVER EVER been mentioned by any sports journalist when comparing Tiger to Federer)

“Tiger plays a Golf match with his heart rate steady at around 100-110 bpm and it can elevate to about 130-140 when under extreme pressure. This is very trainable for a broad range of players(with all different physiques from slender athletic to heavy unconditioned)”

“Federer plays a Tennis match with his heart rate never getting down to 110 and it goes up to 160-180 bpm for almost the entire match with it incidently going to the max of about 200bpm and never being in steady state. Add the physical pain(not injury-related) and stress the body goes through during a match and consider also added pressure on important points when your heartrate won’t just get down below 150-160 bpm.”


Scottish Says:

Yep Veno there are some fat golfers. Lol. And as in every sport it’s often not about who has the most talent but who has the mental toughness to handle the pressure and win on the biggest stages.


Veno Says:

“How much easier is it to deal with pressure under the above mentioned conditions for Tiger if you can totally control what you’re doing?(of course there are 150 other competitors on which he has no control, but that’s only in an insignificant proportion to the total challenge and it’s only in an indirect way.) Of course any one player could surprise him with a low score, but at the same time that low score is only a given fact posed at Tiger which he can incorporate and that gives him a clear sense of what he will have to do to abate that challenge.
It’s all in the margins baby….Tiger can hit a drive in a tree and still par the hole. Of course this holds for all players(but let’s be honest, Tiger’s superior quality makes for a better chance of realizing it) Now put a similar scenario in a tennis match: An player mishits a shot: Point will be lost directly(it is out or in the net) point will be lost indirectly, because it’s an easy point to make for the opponent or it makes it a difficult shot to handle for the opponent(think of “mad-spin”) in which case both could win the point. Only in the last case and the player hitting the mishit wins the point is it comparable to Tiger’s shanked tee-shot. What do you think the percentage is Tiger would save a par if you put it against how many percent of points a tennis player wins when mishitting a shot?

Think about it…It’s fun!


Veno Says:

And as in every sport it’s often not about who has the most talent but who has the mental toughness to handle the pressure and win on the biggest stages.

Tiger undoubtedly has both!!!

But going on mental toughness…
You cannot discard the historical factor…
For both Tiger(in a positive way) and all his opponents(in a negative way) this plays out every single tournament. All the other players play the course, themselves and Tiger. Him just being in a tourney makes the other players weaker…They need more Nadals hahahaha.
He feeds of his own belief he will win and they deflate realizing that the chance they beat him is so very small…..A self defeating prophecy at its pinnacle if you ask me.
Tiger exploits this better than anyone next to the fact that he has worked his butt off since a very young age next to abundance of talent he possesses! He is a rare breed indeed.
I have been at the K-Club in Ireland for the Ryder Cup in 06 and he may be a nice guy if you know him personally(I think he is) but he was the least accessable, least friendly player to the crowd of all the 24 players on both teams. A pity, because there were 150,000 fans following the greatest golfers of our time with him leading the pack.


Tennisfan Says:

… I like to compare Golf with Bowling … I think they should wear the club shirts too :)


Tennisfan Says:

Dan Martin: “First time since Hewitt in July 2005 that Federer and Nadal did not make up the top 2 in tennis. Pretty impressive for all 3 players.”
———————————————–
… I suppose… but it would be more convincing if those players had played at a level worthy of the championship … instead of seeing neither of the top 2 playing to form … (perhaps Murray excluded) …


Veno Says:

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/16/sports/tennis/16rogers.html

For all tennis lovers read the above Greg Bishop Article….


Veno Says:

… I like to compare Golf with Bowling … I think they should wear the club shirts too :)

LoooooL Tennisfan, good 1


Veno Says:

Von!!!!

15 minutes baby!!!!!!! Let’s get ready to………………….RUMBLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE


Von Says:

Veno: It’s countdown time! 60 more seconds to go. Are you ready to hold my hand? LOL. OK hon, I’ll be between my TV and the computer when those blokes at ESPN become too difficlt to tolerate. Talk, talk, talk, talkiiinnngggg! Catch ya later!
_______________________
Scottish: Are you ready? LOL.


Scottish Says:

Von: Oh yeah!! Going to be a dooozie!!


Veno Says:

Lol Von, ATDHE only streams with the Spanish commentary…Luckily I speak Spanish.

Think they will put up the English Broadcast soon too…

BTW, Justin TV is a paying stream for me. It show 2 minutes and then I have to upgrade to premium(which means pay for it) in order to keep following the stream.

Also the other 2 streams you provided…no good either unfortunately…

GO ANDY!!!!!!!!


Veno Says:

Juego para Andie Roddieck. En un segundo saque….Y no tneia punto de rotura, pero este es normal contra Andie Roddieck con este servicio…

Talk about talking a lot…


Kimmi Says:

Veno, how many languages do you speak ? I am impressed.


Von Says:

Veno: Do a refresh on your ATDHE menu and you’ll see they’ve put up a link for roddick before the 11:00 am program and guess what, it’s in English. tah dah!!!! Do I have to tell yolu everything? LOL. Now who’s holding whose hand?


Von Says:

Good, Andy’s moving the giant around, and he needs to keep that up so that he’ll tire him out.

Stefanki says that DelPotro is a ‘human ball machine’. LOL and LOL again.


Veno Says:

I’ll stick with the Spanish…

“Segundooooooooooo Saqueeeeeeeeeeee de Andie Roddieckkkkkkkkkkkkk Que Servicio, tiene mucho tiempo de ramas este bola…ai ai ai, que juego del Americano….très a dos a Andie Roddieckkkkkkkkkkkk


Veno Says:

Hablo cinco idiomas Kimmi


Von Says:

Veno: There’s a thunderstorm here and if I stop posting it’ll probably due to a power outage. I hope it doesn’t happen.

BTW did you do the refresh and have you gotten an English telecast?


Kimmi Says:

Great serving by both players


Von Says:

Veno: As you wish. I like English, no habla espanol!


Veno Says:

Español es una lingua que me gusta mucho…

Adelante muchachos!!!! Y chicas tambien!!!

Ai ai Caramba!!!!!! Me das la Sangria por favor Vonnie…..


Von Says:

C’mon Andy!


Veno Says:

Von, vives en Florida y no hablas Español? Hahahaha

Ostía!

Hope you don’t have a power outage…
Andy’s looking great!!!

Gotta love the guy!!!


Kimmi Says:

Veno..Five is impressive..BTW, I had to look for translation.


Veno Says:

Switched to the English Stream….

See what great analysis we get from the commentating dream team tonight(only pre is that it isn’t the Titans of Telecasting Team of Johnny Mac and his 2 side kicks)


Kimmi Says:

c’moon delpo


Veno Says:

Je parle Francais aussi und ich spreche auch Deutch


Kimmi Says:

shot by roddick


Veno Says:

Tennis of the highest order!!!


Kimmi Says:

you lost me..dutch, french, swiss, english, and ?


Veno Says:

Am impressed how much tougher mentally JMDP has become!!! He’s the real deal…


Kimmi Says:

oh..and german ?

close call for delpo


Scottish Says:

Way to go JMDP, awesome gutsy comeback!!


Veno Says:

@Kimmmi,

Dutch, German, French, English and Spanish


Veno Says:

both at 86% first serves…impressive!!!


Scottish Says:

Hey Von, if Roddick wins will you let me hold your hand against Murray? :-)


Von Says:

Veno: OK I’m impressed, now English please.


Veno Says:

Andy’s footwork is very good…the small steps!


Kimmi Says:

Veno, I was close…

WoW..Its becoming a serving contest.


Veno Says:

That’s why I added the @Kimmi Von…

Sniping at me maman, I think it’s fine by me if Scottish holds your hands in the final tomorrow eh?


Veno Says:

There’s that sweet BH down the line again!


Von Says:

DelPotro is taking more than his alloted time in-between serves. Unless Roddick complains, the umpire will not do anything but play mute and blind.


Veno Says:

The balls off-court(behind Larry) pretty impressive too


Von Says:

Veno: I’m not sniping at all, just like to understand what you write, but if it doesn’t matter to you, it’s alright by me. Ahhso, you’re blackmailing me with the hand thing?


Veno Says:

Go Andy….Got the first set!!! Great match so far.


Kimmi Says:

first set goes to roddick…..good stuff..can delpo get back here…


Veno Says:

Just having a little fun vonnie :)

Trying to lift the tension for you a little….


Scottish Says:

Sloppy game by JM. AM looking strong. Will be tough for JM to take 2 sets. Good tennis overall though. Knew it would be close.


Veno Says:

blackmailing you? Moi? eh me? Never!!!! :)


puckbandit Says:

I don’t understand how Bishop’s article in the times can write an entire article about increased power in the game and not mention the advanced racquet and string technology in today’s game.


Kimmi Says:

Delpotro started well here…


Von Says:

Darn it Andy! He got the break and now he lost his serve. anyway, he can still break back, so COME ON ANDY!!


tenisbebe Says:

Wow! Fantasic 1sr service percentages by both players in the 1st: Delpo: 74% Andy: 72%

Whew!


Veno Says:

Because in what he’s writing the advanced racket and string technology aren’t presented as variables but as parameters puckbandit.


Veno Says:

Hey bebe!!!!How are you? Have you been having fun?


tenisbebe Says:

puckbandit – agreed. It seems an obvious omission. Interesting poster name btw….


Scottish Says:

Sweet! JMDP making a match of this. Keep up!!


Veno Says:

True Scottish and thank him for that.(Sorry Von)

I picked Andy in 3 before the match….hmmm will it be 14/16?


Kimmi Says:

DEL POTRO Back to back breaks..wow..


Scottish Says:

Wow – amazing stuff!! It’s JM’s set to lose. His running full forehand is so impressive.


Veno Says:

JMDP is hammering now!!!


Von Says:

Hi tenisbebe: Glad to see you around.

What’s wrong with Roddick? is this a walkabbout set? I don’t think I can watch this anymore, time to watch something else.


Dan Martin Says:

Looks like we’re going the distance. JMDP’s game is not that imaginative, but he is mentally strong. Roddick and JMDP in a 3rd set tie-break again?


tenisbebe Says:

Yes – it’s been a fun & interesting experience this week but am glad to be able to relax and watch the telly tonight. Only have managed to see the Roddick/Djoko match from Montreal though (saw 1st set of Nadal/Delpo & fell asleep).

Some have mentioned that Delpo should be tired tonight vs Roddick but I disagree. He plays this possum game well, gasping for air, dragging his feet, etc, reeling his opponent in: Washington vs Roddick, last night vs Nadal. I don’t buy it – he’s fine.


Von Says:

Roddick has completely gone away. sheesh


Daniel Says:

OMG, Roddick could get a bagel from DelPo if he not save this 0-30!


Veno Says:

DelPo moves well for a big guy


Von Says:

Roddick is gullible he falls for that kind of stuff every time. DelPotro likes to play the poor me game. Andy had better let DelPotro serve it out and start the next set serving.


Daniel Says:

Hei, Von, I will be in Miami nest week. How is the weather?


tenisbebe Says:

Not gonna happen Von.


Kimmi Says:

Wow..so close that call…


tenisbebe Says:

tenisbebe Says: “Not gonna happen Von.” Meaning a bagel.

This stupid let machine! Again.


Daniel Says:

Andy better not get stressed over this let serve…


Veno Says:

Andy hates that let cord machine….lol


Von Says:

tenisbebe: many are licking their chops for a bagel, why disappoint them.


Daniel Says:

Well, he remember that he had “the” serve and close it out. uff!


Von Says:

That let machine has goe against roddick 90% of the time in several matches.


Veno Says:

Agree bebe, JMDP plays the possum game to perfection…

Andy, focus my man, don’t waste energy discussing the let-call….you won the game…Go Andy!!!


Von Says:

Roddick needs to take a bathroom break and calm down.


Scottish Says:

AM better calm down a bit. No need to argue with the ump he’s doing his job.


puckbandit Says:

bebe: tennis & hockey are my two fav sports. Strange combo for some.

Veno: still believe that technology that facilitates so much power to be unleashed is a variable in a discussion of the new power tennis. If players hit with the old sticks and strings with todays swings, they be hitting the back fences more often than not.
They are better athletes today, just like basically every other sport, then the past. But I understand you point. I just think it’s more central than not.

Looks like three for AR & JMDP


tenisbebe Says:

Daniel – The machine was cronically wrong in DC last week, recording serves that were up to 6 inches over the net as a “let” per the commentators who were on the net line. The umpire refused to overrule the machine. I believe it happened 4 or 5 times.


Veno Says:

They jump on the Martina bandwagon to get rid of the let altogether……Oh my, that would be chaos…

And like the wind can set off the sensor….bad equipment or bad calibration if that’s the case…


Scottish Says:

puckbandit: which hockey teams do you support? Two awesome sports for sure!


tenisbebe Says:

Scottish Says: “AM better calm down a bit. No need to argue with the ump he’s doing his job.” Do you have your Andy’s mixed up? Shouldn’t it be AR?


Daniel Says:

Yeah, sometimes seems that the sensor is too, well, sensitive!


Von Says:

Good, he got beaten at his own cat and mouse game. C’mon Andy!


Von Says:

Last week 4 times the let cord knocked out Roddick’s serves and he had to replay, in one case he lost the game.


Scottish Says:

Bebe: oh yeah AR, too many Andy’s playing today. LOL


Von Says:

Make him serve it out Andy, please.


puckbandit Says:

JMDP always looks a bit like something the cat dragged in,


tenisbebe Says:

Von Says: “tenisbebe: many are licking their chops for a bagel, why disappoint them.”

LET THEM EAT CAKE!


Veno Says:

puckbandit, I totally agree with your reasoning.
I just wanted to point out that the article was not about what contributes to the nowadays powergame, just stating the fact that it is more of a powergame. So from that angle it’s senseless to translate it to earlier eras saying: if they played now with the technology of then….what’s the point?

All players in every era have the allocation of the same technological state in their sport.


Daniel Says:

I thought cross my mind, Murray holds now: Miami, Madrid (when it was on hard = equivalent as Shangai), Cincinatti and a final in IW. If he wins this the only HC Masters missing will be Paris and IW next year. He is trully dominating on hardcourts!


Von Says:

Wow, is DelPotro is showing off.


tenisbebe Says:

Scottish – I understand.

Puckbandit – GO BLACKHAWKS!!!


Kimmi Says:

“JMDP always looks a bit like something the cat dragged in,”

LOL, thats funny


Von Says:

puckbandit:

“JMDP always looks a bit like something the cat dragged in,”

He needs to clean up his appearance. it’s one of the reasons I’ve never liked him, plus his dead on the court attitude. sheesh


Daniel Says:

I am reading the first posts and realize that is another Daniel here!


tenisbebe Says:

JJ won the 1st set in a breaker. Sounds like I’m missing a good one but that’s the way it goes…


Von Says:

How awful can that let cord be for roddick? geez


Scottish Says:

bebe: too bad about Kane. At least it didn’t happen in the regular season. Go Oilers!!


puckbandit Says:

I liked the Hawks before they stated winning and beating up cab drivers. LOL

Just kidding of course. Patty K will look good in a USA jersey.

And, BTW – GO DEVILS!


Kimmi Says:

2nd set del potro..we have the match….


Daniel Says:

Now thst you mention DelPo’s look I can’t stop laughing after I notice a huge sweat mark around his “manhood” region, if you know what I mean! Feel kind of embarassed but it is there.


puckbandit Says:

Veno: Understood, I expect more of Bishop I guess.

Here we go to 3.


Scottish Says:

Nice finish, JM keep it rolling.

bandit: are you still suffering from your torturous end to the season last year? I like the Devils too and couldn’t believe what happened. Actually it was pretty similar to Fed last night eh? :-)


Veno Says:

Daniel..don’t speak too soon…

Rafa won the Ozzie Open, Indian Wells twice, Canada Masters twice, Madrid and has been finalist in Paris and in Miami…
And he’s hardly dominated on HC’s


Daniel Says:

Yeah Veno, but if he wins he will have 4 HC Master and 1 final at the same time (last 52 weeks), this is huge.


Veno Says:

OMG Von!!!! They canceled the stream!!! It’s black and says this broadcast has been banned!!!! Arghhhhhhhhhhhhhhh Can’t get 1 on!!!!!!


Scottish Says:

GRRRR enlish stream dropped. Have to watch in Spanish.


Veno Says:

Condemned to live scores…can’t believe it


puckbandit Says:

Scottish,
you have no idea. It took me weeks, I still can’t bring myself to think about it. I was screaming so loud at the t.v that my neighbor got worried. Damn, I was enjoying this match.

And no, it was way worse than Fed’s last night. Closer to if fed did that in the Semis of a grand slam.


Scottish Says:

bandit: oh yeah definitely no comparison in regards to importance of the moment just the fact that no one could believe it would happen. Sports can really do that to us eh? I’m still trying to get over Gretsky being sold to LA. LOL


Von Says:

Veno: did you try the link I gave you — it works.


puckbandit Says:

Andy needs to watch his placement in the duece court. Some of those wide ones are just deep enough to end up in the big man’s wheelhouse.


Kimmi Says:

wow..this match is becoming very tense.


Scottish Says:

What was that? Ugly.


puckbandit Says:

Scottish,

Gretsky to LA! A date that changed the game!

That shocked everyone, I felt bad for him, But I still never forgave him for his MICKEY MOUSE comments!


Von Says:

Daniel: You weren’t the ‘daniel’ posting as the DelPotro fan?

About the weather, it’s sunny and warm in the high 80s except tonight we have thunderstorms. I’m on the WestCoast, and Miami is on the East Coast, but pretty much the same weather.


Scottish Says:

How many tennis balls do they have available to them at anytime and how often do they change them?


Veno Says:

Tx Vonnie…You’re the best…Got a Spanish stream on that site…

Scottish: 6 balls each time…
Theu warm up and then 7 games with the balls…then every 9 games they change the balls…


puckbandit Says:

Scottish:
I believe that change them after the first 7 games and then after every 9. Not sure total # though


Von Says:

Veno: I’m outta here. I’m going to watch TV and mute those talkers.


Daniel Says:

Thanks Von, I guess I should let the heavy clothes in the closet.

No, that wasn’t me, it was strange to see another Daniel here, but I think it happen one other time, don´t remember when now.

Right now I am not cheering, just enjoying. DelPo has some history with Murray that makes an interesting final, but Roddick is playing great and it also would be interesting to see him agaisnt Murray, will be a long match, that´s for sure.


Veno Says:

Ok Von!!! told ya Andy will win in 3!!!

Good luck and think positive!!! Go Andy!!!

Later!!!


puckbandit Says:

Both players a bit testy tonight.


Scottish Says:

See ya Von! Don’t let the nerves get too crazy. :-)


Veno Says:

Theirs is becoming quite the rivalry!!!!!


puckbandit Says:

Daniel,
Re Murray & JMDP – has their dynamic not changed since the “mom” comment match?


Veno Says:

DelPo may look like something the cat dragged in but he shows that looks can be deceiving…


blah Says:

Looks like the Roddick-Del Potro match is going down to third set tiebreaker again… great stuff.


Veno Says:

The games post the mom-incident didn’t indicate it was really on both their minds anymore, but for sure there’s no love lost between them…


Scottish Says:

Phew eeked that one out. Coming down to the wire.


Veno Says:

they are playing great tennis after more than 2 hrs…


puckbandit Says:

Yes Veno,DelP game is much better than his fashion


Veno Says:

OMG…a double on breakpoint :(


Scottish Says:

Wow, AR has a match point and now is down a break. I did not see that coming. Finish it off JM!


puckbandit Says:

Oh no, what’s with al the Double faults on game points? It’s like a virus or something – infecting them all.


Kimmi Says:

OMG..WOW !


Scottish Says:

Now we’ll see what JM is made of.


Veno Says:

puckbandit Says:

Yes Veno,DelP game is much better than his fashion

He also has the facial expression of a dead animal…

But his tennis and his mental strength impress me…especially for such a young guy….He’s 6-1 in finals…


puckbandit Says:

Damn,
Scottish,
If Roddick loses let’s blame Eric Staal, he is Canadian.


Scottish Says:

Woohoo!! Let’s blame it on JMDP!!

Awesome stuff. Sorry Von. Looks like Roddick can’t get past JM. So will you hold my hand now tomorrow? Please?

I am picking JMDP in 3 tomorrow!!


Veno Says:

141 mph serve answer your question Scottish..

Commisserations Von!

Andy so deserves a big title!!!

Hope he rests well, takes the positives and play this well at Cincy and the USO…Go Andy


Kimmi Says:

Wow..del potro..this guy is tough. He never breaks down..just incredible. Congrants delpo.

Murray and Delpo is unpredictable.


blah Says:

3 forehand ues and a double fault- guess it’s going to be Del Potro v.s. Murray. Del Potro is really becoming a favorite going into the open- his improved first serve makes him very hard to beat.


Veno Says:

I would love JMDP to beat Murray, but it’s not going to happen I think. Murray in 2, probably about 4 and 5…We’ll see tomorrow…


Scottish Says:

Roddick is having such a great year but just can’t get it all the way yet. I hope this doesn’t get him too down. he needs to stay positive and working hard. I think he is for sure one of the favs over the next few weeks.

As for JM he continues to impress me more and more. Who cares what he looks like, he’s strong, moves well for his size and his mental toughness is becoming might impressive. What is striking is his ability to come back from being down. He loses the first set then rolls over Roddick in the 2nd, saves match point in the 3rd then breaks the next game. Really solid stuff.

1 more match to win big guy for 2 in a row!!


puckbandit Says:

Wow, tough loss for Andy, His game slid at the worst times. And the second set, yikes.

I’ll be rooting for Andy Murray tomorrow. I love his thinking man’s game. He just needs to stay away from those passive patches. But his game has only been adequate this week, enough to get it done. He’ll need to fix his serve overnight or hope JD,P goes away, and that’s not likely.


Veno Says:

Ok, if JMDP wins tomorrow, he’ll be back to number 5 and Andy R. will slip back to 6…

See below: Rankings on come Monday Aug. 17:

1)Federer: 11040
2)Murray: 8850/9250*
3)Nadal: 8665
4)Djokovic: 7150
5)Roddick: 5800
6)Delpotro: 5535/5935*

*depending on who wins the final tomorrow


Dan Martin Says:

Where would a runner-up or title leave JMDP in terms of rankings next week?


Scottish Says:

Are there any points dropping after Cincy before the USO?


puckbandit Says:

Scottish
Oh I just kid about his looks and wouldn’t have commented except someone else did. Besides, I’m sure he cleans up well, he’s a good looking kid

I too am impressed with DelP and have been since he broke through last summer. The commenters talked about his height, which was once thought to be a hinderance for a tennis player. But Juan is an example of a big guy that can more. He’s def the fav going in to tomorrow based on recent play, even though Andy M has the ranking.


Dan Martin Says:

Andy will be ok. JMDP is a legit player. Murray is strong – Wertheim picked him to win the USO right after Wimbledon ended. JMDP vs. Andy Murray = Welcome to the future?


Kimmi Says:

“I would love JMDP to beat Murray, but it’s not going to happen I think. Murray in 2, probably about 4 and 5…We’ll see tomorrow…”

Veno, you don’t like Murray but you think he will win. At least you appreciate his talent.

I think this will be tough to predict, delpo has improved so much and Murray did not serve very well today…delpo will eat his second serve tomorrow…so Murray be prepared.

Go Murray


Veno Says:

Kimmi, I always do and me not enjoying watching Murray play is purely personal. He’s a great tactician, has an intelligent tennis mind and is a very strong athlete; however, even though he makes miraculous shots sometimes, I just get no joy at all from seeing him on a tennis court.


Veno Says:

Scottish: My above list is including the points dropped from the Olympics ’08, which will happen come Monday. For the top players there won’t be any points dropped until after the USO…So the Cincy points next week will be added on to the points totals for the players on Monday Aug. 17


puckbandit Says:

Every so often Roddick looked like the old Roddick. A bit too emotional and unable to produce sufficiently aggressive play to back up his serve. When he’s striking 5 or 6 ground strokes after his serve, the weapon is diminished.
I think it’s temporary. He’s assembled great support group and they will get him back to the confident penetrating play that nearly won him Wimbledon. My prediction, anyway.
I would like one of the two Andy’s to win the Open.


Kimmi Says:

No worries Veno, I hope we get a good match tomorrow.


Dan Martin Says:

The stats were eerily similar except for second serve points won were heavily tilted to JMDP.


Veno Says:

And Kimmi, I pick Andy M. to beat DelPo tomorrow, because he’s fitter and he gets into every player’s head!!! He won’t give DelPo any pace to work off and Juan Martin will have problems generating his own pace with thos loopy, sliding balls from Murray. Only chance JMDP has is if Murray serves really bad, but then again, he did so today and still always seems able to play the important points well…..And I don’t think Murray will need as much chances as Andy Roddick got to break the Argy…
I’ll stick with Murray in 2. But I was wrong about tonight, I said Andy R. in 3….


puckbandit Says:

Veno:
I used to feel the same way about Murray but have done a complete 180 on him and he is now my favorite. Probably because he has raised his game to the point that he can be aggressive and I like that he uses his mind. I think I like watching him when he is pushed to play his best and use all of his tools.’

In general I think there is great variety in the game today at the top which is funny because for a while I was complaining that too many players played the same style. I don’t know if it has changed, or if I have changed.


Scottish Says:

Thanks Veno. So really it’s down to Fed and Murray for #1 unless Nadal really come up big. If fed goes pretty deep in Cincy and USO then he should keep it and of course if he wins one of them then for sure. How do things look for Fed afer the USO?


Veno Says:

I agree puckbandit…

Andy R. did not have as much patience as he had yesterday against Novak. That really impressed me yesterday. Tonight after playing 3 inside-out FH’s he shanked a lot of FH’s to DelPo’s deuce court in the net or pulled them wide. Yesterday against Novak he executed that switch perfectly…He’ll be ok though and although I’m a Fed fan I would love to see Andy Roddick win the US Open this year!!!


Scottish Says:

Veno JM has surprised a lot of people this week. If both players plays the same game as they did today then I give it to JM. I do agree that Murray has that factor that Fed and Nadal have about getting into players head. It’s not even about tennis so much and he gets some free games off it. The difference with JM though is that he also has that drive to be #1 and he’s making it happen. I don’t think he will be as intimidated.


Kimmi Says:

And cincy draw is out

Fed got Roddick
Murray got Delpo

Djokovic got Davydenko
Nadal got Tsonga

What a switch from Montreal


Scottish Says:

yeah bandit, at one point in the match I said this is the old Roddick. Like Veno I do like AR but no way would I want him to win the USO. There’s 3 guys ahead of him on my list. :-)


Veno Says:

puckbandit; I can see why you did, but alas, my personality doesn’t lend itself to do a 180 degree turn once I firmly formed my opinion about something or someone. Adjusting that opinion after receiving additional knowledge or changed dimensions? Yes, of that I am capable, but I’m afraid I will always find it difficult to enjoy a tennis match in which Andy Murray plays. Once again, that’s purely personal. It doesn’t refrain me from talking about his game objectively(I at least don’t think so) and be realistic about his abilities. He has worked very hard and is very conscious about what he does, how he sets his goals and how he achieves them. I respect that. Kudos to him changing his game, becoming physically stronger and I do think he will be number one in the near future.
Still, I find myself always rooting against him(and I know that if I knew him personally I might love the guy!) but when he wins I have no problem giving him credit, cause he almost always delivers


Scottish Says:

Veno we think alike on AM. I can appreciate his determination and no one can deny he has the game and more importantly the head to be at the top. But there’s too much to dislike about him and I can’t get behind him at all. And hey i was born in Scotland. one thing that was really telling to me was that a poll was done in Scotland and almost half of the Scots were cheering against him. That says a lot. You won’t find that about Fed or Nadal.


puckbandit Says:

I’ve never been anti-Roddick, and sometimes was a big supporter. I like the maturity he brings to his game now. And he scored big time with me when he boycotted Dubai, Also, my mom loves him so I know she’s bummed right now. She also loved Connors, who I once couldn’t stand and have warmed to lately.
Cinci should be a great week of tennis. It’s also usually quite a physical test as well. Ohio in the middle of August, can be brutal weather.


Veno Says:

Jelly Jankovic(Don’t get me started on her) beat Dementieva in the Cincy semi’s…

Combined 92 UE. 17 doubles for Jelena…the score:
7-6, 0-6, 7-6…Dementieva doubles at 6-6 in the third set tiebreaker and Jankovic wins 8-6
It was called a festival of attrition and a spectacle of the absurd.

The women aren’t helping the WTA off their shaky image…it’s a semi of a mandatory top wta tourney….It’s just sad…….


Von Says:

Veno: You were wrong! I’m not going to listen to your predictions ever again. LOL.

In some ways I’m glad Roddick lost, because he’ll get some much needed rest and he’ll also have to start thinking again. His problems began when he got the heaviness of the balls in his head. I also think that Roddick does not take DelPotro seriously and is mislead by the giant’s body language. He’ll have to learn that is DelPotro’s demeanour, play within himself and be oblivious to how he’s walking around, and play attacking tennis. Roddick’s too gullible in some respects.

I’m rooting for Murray to win tomorrow.


Veno Says:

*Jelena must be Elena


Daniel2 Says:

“I am reading the first posts and realize that is another Daniel here!”

Hi Daniel, from now on I’ll start posting as “Daniel2″ :-)

Very happy for JMDP.


Veno Says:

I hear ya Von.

Dunno about your break down, but you pone an interesting theory. Is Roddick too gullable sometimes and does he interpret DelPo’s body language the wrong way….Things to work on with Larry. He’ll be fine I think.

I’ll be rooting for JMDP tomorrow!!! The guy deserves a big title next to the little ones he already amassed….


puckbandit Says:

Scottish,
I wondered if you were from Scotland since you were rooting against the homegrown lad. Hasn’t Murray’s rep improved of late?
Veno: I’ve also done a 180 on Feds. Used to love him, now I get a strange glee when he loses. Has nothing to do with his game, which is brilliant. It’s his off court persona that has started to rub me the wrong way and I can’t say that it is rational. I think it stems from two things: First this whole branding phenomena. For some reason I can handle Sharapova going that route but Roger seems to take it so seriously. The other is his press conferences. I find him irritating in his passive aggressive digs at the other players. Whatever his intent, I don’t like it.
Maybe the tide will turn. It could be that it is just my natural pull for the underdog takes over when I watch him now. He’s won so much. Again, there is no logic to my thinking.


Scottish Says:

Aw Von, you won’t hold my hand then? Cheering against JM? Oh well it’s going to be a great match and I just hope it ends with a real fight.


Daniel2 Says:

“I also think that Roddick does not take DelPotro seriously and is mislead by the giant’s body language. He’ll have to learn that is DelPotro’s demeanour, play within himself and be oblivious to how he’s walking around, and play attacking tennis. Roddick’s too gullible in some respects.”

Considering that Delpo has a 3-0 record against Roddick I don’t think Andy not taking him seriously is the problem. IMO the aspect of JMDP’s game that bothers Roddick the most is his reach on the return. He makes A-Rod play more points on the American serve than most of the other guys on tour.


Scottish Says:

Bandit, yeah I heard a reporter say he has been working on his image. But I’m not sure how seriously he cares or if it’s just to get people off his back. I just don’t see the class in him that I do in Fed and Nadal.

Btw, I was born in Scotland but live in Canada now. Go Oilers! :-)


puckbandit Says:

Veno:
what a nightmare at the WTA, and that was a SEMI!


Von Says:

Sorry Scottish, I’ve never liked JMDP, and I’m a first impression person, probably never will. I like people with some life in their bodies, and your guy is lifeLESS. I can’t handle that. Give me Safin, Tsonga, Roddick, but NOT JMDP.

______________
Veno: You’re being very magnanimous toward DelPotro with respect to the big title. LOL. He’s only 20 and can wait, but I think your dislike for Murray is greater than the title you want for DelPotro. Just a thought …


Veno Says:

We can shake hands then puckbandit…
I’ll always be a Fed fan as I have always been a Pete fan. I thought the same thing concerning the whole fashionista direction he took….Oh man, when I saw him walk on court at SW19 all as Captain Stubing but for the hat, I had trouble not laughing. Furthermore he told reporters after they asked about it that he thought it looked great and that everybody said “wow, looks amazing” and since that moment I haven’t been taking too seriously anymore what he said. Also when he started losing(go back to Ozzie Open ’08) I thought his pressers and interviews immediately after the games were poor at best…
I have to say in his defence: in the interviews and press I read and heard after the tournaments(so a couple of days later) he was always respectful and realistic towards other players and about himself….These conflicting accounts he gave gave me a real eerie feeling whenever I heard him talk after a bad match.
But I think that’s all behind him now(see the post match interview after his defeat to Jo) and we won’t see him talk strange like that anymore.


puckbandit Says:

Daniel2.
I agree with your comment about Roddick’s serve to Delp. Because of DelP’s reach, Andy has a much smaller target when serving out wide. If he hits it, good. But if he’s not shallow enough, it kicks right into DelP’s sweet spot. Shorter players with less reach don’t pose the same problem and he has more margin for error when serving to other players.

Scottish: How will your Oilers do this year? They’re in a tough division. Love Sheldon Souray btw.


Kimmi Says:

I aslo saw some of JJ and Demantieva…absolute nightmare. No one could hold serve till tie breaker and demantieva manage to lose the match after being 5-1 up in the tiebreaker…Federer-Tsonga match anyone ???


Scottish Says:

Von, I agree that his personality is a bit dull but he is hardly lifeless on the court with this body. He was running all over the place tonight and digging shots out from everywhere. Also one of the reasons I like him is because he has a real shot at joining the elite over the next 5 – 10 years. He has the game and the head for it.

But in reality I’d cheer for most players against Murray. LOL.


Veno Says:

Lol Von, I won’t go into a tug war with maman as I will likely end up with my nose in the dirt :)

It’s not that I dislike Murray, but like you can’t stand lifeless guys, there’s something about Andy M that annoyes the bajeezers out of me.

And I kinda like the flegmatic JMDP. And his mental strength and tennis is impressive. For that reason I would love to see him win a Master Series.


Von Says:

Scottish & Veno: Permission to speak frankly.

I believe the reason you both don’t like Murray is because of his H2H v. your fave, Federer, and that’s all there is to it, yes? If yes, that’s alright, because that kind of thing happens, as per that ‘hate’ article.


Scottish Says:

Bandit, Veno. Fed has always had his haters and lovers. I think whenever you hear things said by players that are at the top some people will take it the right way and some people will take it the wrong way.

I’ve seen him interviewed many times and I really think that it comes down to the fact that he doesn’t know the exact phrasing on things and also he tries to be nice and it comes out wrong. I think he was really sincere what he said to Roddick after the Wimbly but it got taken the wrong way. To me AR’s response was way worse but people didn’t talk about it as much cuz they felt sorry for him.


puckbandit Says:

Veno:
Okay, so maybe my feelings aren’t so irrational, hmmm.
Like you and your approach to Murray, I too can appreciate the game of Fed objectively. I hope you are right about Feds off court. I had the EXACT same reaction to the outfit as well. It’s like he’s beginning to get that “emperor without his clothes” -or with his clothes in this case- and what he needs is someone close to him to yell STOP. Enough- stick to the game not the mindless accessories.
Even my mom, who loves everyone, said of the Wimby outfits, “he needs to get over himself, he’s too good for this.”


Von Says:

Veno: Ok, I’ll take back my comments. then tell me, if you like DelPotro so much and want him to win a big title, why were you rooting for Roddick? It doesn’t make sense to me. Be careful how you answer.


Veno Says:

Imho it wasn’t the tennis that determined the outcome tonight(they were too close for that) but it was a mental battle. Andy won the first and Tsonga like looked absent in the second set. DelPo picked up on that in the first game of the second and put his foot down, peddle to the metal so to speak… Andy regrouped at the end of the second set and started to focus on the decider…
There it was a battle of will and JMDP won that. He played a poor poor game after having match point and JMDP deservedly punished him. I was rooting for Andy, but credit where credit is due(sorry Von)


Veno Says:

Lol Von, we have a telepathic connection sometimes….SCARY!!!!!!!!! The moment you’re writing your question, I am already answering it!


Scottish Says:

Oh no Von it has nothing to do with H2H. I love Nadal and look at his H2H against Fed. The reason I don’t like Murray is because of his attitude. He is extremely arrogant and obnoxious. I also really dislike his vulgarness on the court. He also seems very crude to me.

One thing about him which may not mean much to others is that he seems way too timid. How many times have we seen him play soft shots. Maybe U just like more power but I don’t like his weenie shots. Just my thing I guess.


Veno Says:

Ok, here’s my answer: I said: I kinda like the big guy :) That’s 1!
Second, I want him to win because Fed can’t win anymore(my numero uno) and Andy can’t either(my numero dos)

And third….read back a couple of posts…I want Andy to win the US Open this year!!! And that being a Fed fan!!!

A good enough answer?


Scottish Says:

* Sorry meant to say maybe I just like more power.


Kimmi Says:

“Imho it wasn’t the tennis that determined the outcome tonight(they were too close for that) but it was a mental battle”

I agree veno, the mental battle won delpotro thit match..same as in washington…and he is only 20. If he carries on like this and improve his fitness (which I think he has proven to hang in there this week), he will win a GS very soon.


Veno Says:

Von says: “I believe the reason you both don’t like Murray is because of his H2H v. your fave, Federer, and that’s all there is to it, yes?”

Wow, could not have been more wrong there hun :)

I care nothing for H2H’s and you should know me well enough by now that a bad H2H would never be a reason for me to dislike(never hate) a player…

Rafa is up 13-7 to my fave and never ever have I disliked him for it :)


puckbandit Says:

Scottish:
I think DelP is among the elite, and he is only 20. Scary to think how good he can get. And as someone posted earlier, tomorrow is possibly a glimpse into the future.

As far as Feds. I agree he is always gracious when he wins, and he has won so much that we see him in victory much more than in defeat. He also is famous for slipping in disparaging comments about upcoming opponents. Like his H2H against a guy. But seems to avoid or dismiss his H2H against Murray. In fact, he is particularly smarmy towards Murray, who happens to be one of the few guys to have a positive win loss record.

I think I was most irritated at his cry-fest after losing to Nadal. I felt he took some of the deserved exuberance out of Nadal’ celebration. Simply bad form as they say.


Von Says:

Veno: Alright, thanks for your explanation, and it sounds plausible to me, so I’ll buy it all. Now who’s bening magnanimous. LOL. BTW, I’ll settle for the USO win.
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Scottish: Alright, points well taken. I suppose to each his own, and my own, well you know who they are. LOL.


Von Says:

OK guys, goodnight and thanks for the fun discussions.

Veno: Manana and time to go to bed per maman. sweet dreams and sleep well.


vared Says:

Von, too bad for Roddick.

Del Potro you can do it. He hasn’t won anything big yet so I’m rooting for him. Besides I’m not a fan of Murray.


Scottish Says:

Bandit, I can understand why some people didn’t like the crying. But really he cried at almost all of the slams. LOL Also, we forget how tough 2008 was and to get so close in 2009 really got to him. I am an emotional guy so I can sympathize with him. I am sure he didn’t do it on purpose and I am sure he would do it differently if he could. But that’s life.


Scottish Says:

Night Von!!


Veno Says:

And Scottish, I agree on your take concerning Fed’s choice of phrasing….He is “clumsy” in formulating himself, but people should give the guy a break, English is not even his third!!! language and the Wimby speech was a perfect example of “lost in translation” I knew exactly what he meant but in literally translation it got lost and it sounded demeaning to Andy…Just unfortunate, no big deal.

I don’t know Fed personally, but he seems genuine and kind. I have seen a lot of interviews with him in Switserland(I understand Swiss-German…his native tongue) and he was always respectful and expressed himself very clearly. And have seen him play live twice and he’s a good down to earth friendly guy to everyone.


Veno Says:

puckbandit says:”Even my mom, who loves everyone, said of the Wimby outfits, “he needs to get over himself, he’s too good for this.””

Your mom’s right, but Fed;s human and he’s like all of us entitled to make mistakes or have bad judgements. Just hope next year he’ll be back to normal at Wimby again….


Von Says:

vared: Thanks for your kind words of consolation. I think Andy’s serve has let him down all week. He also stated that in an article I posted two days ago about his serve not being right as yet. i wish he’d start working on the serve if it’s really a problem and right the ship. Hopefully, he’ll get his act together and start winning some more titles. so close and yet no cigar …..


Scottish Says:

The one thing that sets it for me with Fed is that I have heard so much about his attitude towards fans, the court judges, linepersons, ball boys/girls etc. He takes time for them and goes out of his way to make their experience special. That says a lot. Also the reporters love him for being gracious and willing to talk. He seems to just really love tennis, the tennis world and being a part of an exciting sport. And hey he’s #1 in the world, he’s entitled to confidence. lol I don’t see him arrogant and obnoxious like Murray. Fed is a great ambassador for the sport.


Von Says:

Veno; Whoa, I must have touched a tender nerve, you’re not even saying goodnight anymore LOL. Anyway, goodnight again.


Veno Says:

puckbandit says: In fact, he is particularly smarmy towards Murray, who happens to be one of the few guys to have a positive win loss record.

I think I was most irritated at his cry-fest after losing to Nadal. I felt he took some of the deserved exuberance out of Nadal’ celebration. Simply bad form as they say.

Singularly you’re right but you have to put this in context my friend.

After I did extensive reading about both issues I came to one conclusion:
the crying at the Ozzie Open was just a break-down, totally not intended and he couldn’t help himself. By no means did he want to take any lime light away from Rafa and he expressed himself apologetic towards that melt-down and the fact that he did take away from Rafa’s moment.
Trust me, I’m no crying man(one of those conventional men that pushes back all emotion, cause men just don’t cry) and after not having cried since childhood, I once as a 29-year old broke down in front of my mom and collapsed crying my heart out. Since then I don’t ever judge a man because he’s letting out a good cry for whatever reason.

Concerning his expressions about Murray….In total he made a comment about Murray’s passive play twice and that he didn’t like that fact because tennis isn’t supposed to be played like that. It got milked by the press, especially by the British press pre-wimby and totally dragged out of context, because in dozens of interviews and questions he praised Murray’s abilities and how good of a tactician he was. Bitter he got beaten 4 times in a row when in a rough period? No doubt, but hey….it’s not like he’s your average Joe in the tennis world :)


Veno Says:

Sorry Von!!!!!!!!!!!!!

GOODNIGHT SWEETY!!!!!!!!!!

MY BAD!!!!!!!! You apparently did touch a tender nerve :)

Later gator :)

P.S. Only people I care for are able to touch a tender nerve with me, so that says enough I think!


puckbandit Says:

I have read some great things about Feds too. As I said, I don’t have logical reasons for his fall from my graces. It’s more a gut thing. I understand perfectly why he is beloved by so many.

What I don’t agree with is the language excuse. I thing his communication skills are superb in all of his languages, including English. Skills to be admired, for sure. No way he’s screwing up do to lack of skill.

As for the crying, at the time I felt sorry for him, Then it started to irk me.

I have also read lots of articles lately regarding Murray’s maturity and his changed ways and attitude. Maybe he’s growing up. He also has too important things in his favor: he named his dog after a Rod Stewart song, and he really loves that dog.


sar Says:

That was some exciting tennis today. The good thing is there will be a new Roger’s champion and Cincy champion.
We will be driving all day tomorrow to Cincy. Have my tickets for the whole week. Meeting tenisbebe for a drink one day if we can arrange it. See you all in a week to report.


Dan Martin Says:

Sean maybe Andy Roddick is becoming the Atlanta Braves of tennis. The Braves did win 1 world series but more often than not are remembered for coming close but not quite winning the whole thing. I feel for Roddick. My wife was so sad for him when Nadal beat him at Indian Wells in 2007. I think Andy knows the big prize is in Flushing Meadows, but losing twice to JMDP in 1 week in matches decided by slim margins after losing 16-14 in the 5th set after various losses in the finals, semis and quarters at since the 2003 breakthrough – it does make me worry he is going to be remembered more for press conferences and close losses than wins.


Veno Says:

he named his dog after a Rod Stewart song, and he really loves that dog. LOL

Perfect ending to a well discussed topic punkbandit.

Enjoy sar and say hi to bebe for me if you guys are able to meet! Hope you get to see some great matches…Keep us posted if you can!!!


Scottish Says:

Yeah time to get some sleep. This has been a blast and hopefully I can blog during tomorrow match. Night all!!


puckbandit Says:

Veno:
Okay, I’ll give him a pass on the crying. No wait, I can’t – not yet, but I’ll work on it:) I have no problem with men who cry, I actually think it’s healthy. But over tennis? Maybe he was feeling the pressure to be invincible? That his, having been built upon extraordinary success may crumble in defeat? Sure, I’ll bite. Maybe it is possible to win too much. Michael Phelps could be heading for a similar moment.
As for Murray, maybe you can expand your reading in his regard and come to respect him one day.
I do believe that Feds Murray talk is more than just two times. In fact the commentators were discussing it the other day and I was shocked at how candid they were in revealing that Feds comments were less than gracious on several occasions toward Murray. Usually there is virtual genuflecting from the booth set in regards to Feds.
Anyway, it makes for interesting conversation.


puckbandit Says:

Thanks for an enjoyable evening. I’m glad I found this site and will be back!

Oh and Veno, it’s puCkbandit. LOL not punk. ha ha

good nite all


Veno Says:

True and I will punkbandit….Never too old to educate oneself….

But you also undoubtedly know that in our present day over 40% of all news from media(old and new media) is inaccurate, uncorroborated or just untrue.

I bid you good night and hope to talk some more tennis the coming weeks.

Night all


Veno Says:

Oops, sorry puckbandit, won’t make that mistake again….

5 am here(I use that as my excuse)


Rick Says:

What a bummer for Roddick! As he is catching up with his nemesis Federer. Now that he finds Del Potro is his new nemesis! Feel sorry for the lad. I just hope that Federer would shares some of his luck with him in the tournament draws.


Polo Says:

Sad to see that after all the improvements in Roddick’s game, he still is not good enough. And why does he always bully the umpires and the linesmen? That linesman he had kicked out through no fault of the poor boy (he called the ball in correctly, it was del Potro who challenged it) must be laughing his brains out after Roddick got a match point and still ended up losing. Roddick’s game has improved but his manners have not. My crystal ball shows no change in Roddick’s luck at the US Open.


Daniel Says:

Hi Daniel2! Your solution works. But just because I am here longer doens’t mean I own the Daniel. LOL

If I stay without posting for long periods (as I usually do), you can use Daniel and inform the guys.


Daniel Says:

I am drunk right now so don’t take anything I write serious! First day of vacations is always like this…


margot Says:

von: so sorry re your Andy. Boo! Now down to my Andy to beat JMDP and we are at one about him too. So glad someone else commented on the sweaty pants, not you I know von, shouldn’t someone tell him??
Scottish: obnoxious??arrogant?? dunno where you’re coming from, to me he is the complete opposite. vared posted his comments on Wimbledon, they seemed to me to be the height of diplomacy.
Andy Murray – the magician, weave your magic today!


Kimo Says:

JMDP will probably be too tired today to compete effectively, so I think it’ll be Murray in straights.

Even though I make no attempts to hide my utter disdain for everything Murray, I have to admit that he’s a very good player (I still find him boring to watch, no matter how much praise he gets from the commentators). I think his attitude on court is dispicable. I never saw him exchange a smile with his opponent across the net or speak fondly of anyone in his pressers (unlike Fed and Rafa). He is so down to business when he plays tennis that watching him makes me wanna wear a suit and tie rather than shorts and a T. He is so wound up and uptight. When he chooses the wrong shot or hits a weak reply that his opponent punishes, he has fits like a spoilt 6 year old brat, even if his opponents shot was just too good. When he wins he doesn’t express his joy. He would never collapse to his knees a la Fed or Rafa at every slam win (He did do that when he beat Wawrinka at Wimbledon, but I think that was part fatigue, part relief, part pretending. It didn’t look spontaneous). That’s why I can’t connect with him. He isn’t a performer. I don’t think he gets more excited playing in front of 15000 people than he would when no one is watching. That’s because he isn’t playing for the crowd, he’s playing for himself. That’s why you never got a sense of patriotism from him when he’s playing at Wimbledon like you would from Henman. Henman was playing for the millions of Britons who wanted a British Wimbledon Champion. Murray was playing to be a Wimbledon Champion. Period.

I’m out.

Whoever dubbed him “Surly Scot” must be a genius.

Anyway, I believe that JMDP at his best would beat Murray at his best, but JMDP will be just too tired today.


Giner Says:

Well, all good things must come to an end. The Federer-Nadal dominance is broken, and it didn’t take long to break. Nadal’s points have halved since 3 months ago.

What makes things interesting for Nadal fans is the possibility that he may now have to face Federer in a semi-final. On US hard courts, he wouldn’t be favourite in that match even if he was 100% healthy. This will take some getting used to for me.

On the plus side, we may see some more Djokovic-Murray matches now that they don’t have to make the final to meet. I’m looking forward to that. A Nadal-Djokovic match is going to be more of a rarity though (that Rome SF was pretty good), unless Nadal regains his #2 rank.

I expect Murray to stay #2 for the rest of the year, and be favourite to win the US Open. It should be a rematch of last year’s final. He has never lost to Del Potro, so I expect a straight sets victory tomorrow.

Andy Roddick will continue to be a threat to all players ranked above him and should make semi-finals regularly, unless he meets Federer in a quarter.


Kimo Says:

Giner Said:

“The Federer-Nadal dominance is broken, and it didn’t take long to break.”

Four years and 17 out of the last 18 slams isn’t enough for you?!

Anyway, I hope they can be 1 and 2 again. Sooner the better.


Kimo Says:

Von says: “I believe the reason you both don’t like Murray is because of his H2H v. your fave, Federer, and that’s all there is to it, yes?”

Veno says: “Wow, could not have been more wrong there hun :)”

I’m with Veno here. I dislike Murray for reasons I mentioned in my previous post.

Take Roddick (whom I like now) for example. I hated him from 2006 to 2008, yet he has the wprst H2H in Open Era history against Roger.

I must admit though, I don’t take Murray’s H2H vs. Fed with a grain of salt. Their last four matches were when Fed’s back was visibly bothering him. In the TMC last year Fed was massaged every change-over and only lost it in a last set TB. Early this year Fed was still battling with his back injury. In Indian Wells Roger blew his lead. The only part of Murray’s game that matches up well against Fed is his cross-court backhand to Fed’s backhand, but it’s not like Rafa’s Forehand to Fed’s backhand (which is devastating). Other than that, I give Fed the edge on almost everything else.

I firmly believe that if Murray’s opponent, whoever he may be, manages to keep his UE’s in check, he has a very decent chance of beating Murray. Unfortunately, Murray right now is the best ball retriever on tour, and it can get frustrating when he scrambles back balls that should have been out right winners. That kind of frustration is why his opponents err so much against him. They go for too much (including Fed.)


jane Says:

I have to read Sean’s article to comment, but just wanted to give a HUGE shout-out to Murray for crashing Fed-Nadal’s party and snagging number 2. Best to his devoted fans as well. And secondly, kudos to JMDP for another final appearance.

Better luck next time to Tsonga and Roddick…

Will read more tomorrow.


jane Says:

tenisbebe…since hockey’s been a sub-sub topic on this thread, I’ll mention that my nephew / the U18 Canadian team won the gold medal at the International Czech tournament I told you about – woot! ps, I like the Blackhawks too – young and loaded with energy.


Maso Says:

Kimo, I COMPLETELY share your view of Murray. I mean, 100%, I was going to write exactly the same message as you yesterday. I really can’t stand him. I’ve never seen a less charismatic top 5 player, I don’t know how to explain it. I think the guy feels like he should be handed a slam because of his skills. He doesn’t play with the crowd at all, he never smiles, his interviews are boring and devoid of emotion, I mean, he just leaves me cold. And this attitude of his hasn’t gotten any better since he’s gotten a haircut and taken off the hat, if anything, he’s become more serious.

Djoko’s got personality (a whole lot of it), Rafa, Fed, Tsonga, Roddick, Del Potro, hell, everyone within the top 10 EXCEPT Murray. He brings no life to the court, none. I am really unhappy to see him reach the number 2 ranking, and the day the number 1 slips from Fed to Murray will be a SAD day for tennis (IMO). Let’s hope Del Potro will be there to keep Murray from being the reference of the new tennis generation. I have no doubt that Murray’s a great player with amazing skills, but if he’s not capable of bringing any heart to the game, I really don’t see the point of watching him play. I think learning to smile would be an amazing first step.


Cindy_Brady Says:

Two wins in a row for Del Potro over Roddick. Close, but none the less, Roddick comes up short in the end. Could youth and fresher legs be winning out? Del Potro hits harder from the ground than Roddick does. The serve is almost equal. Del Potro is bigger and stronger and doesn’t let things bother him. Roddick may move slightly better but Del Potro , overall, is the better player. Federer barely survived him on red clay during the French Open. He’s a force to be reckoned with from here on out. A definite threat to win the Open. Not just play well.

Sorry Von and company. As I predicted Bride’s maid territory for Roddick the rest of his career.


Marcus Says:

Von, it was all my fault. We went to dinner last night and was unable to watch the Roddick-del Potro match. del Potro has been playing well but if he does not take a break, he will be exhausted by the time US Opne comes around. That is where I think Roddick can get him. Being mum about Roddick prior to the match did not work. Next time, I will try the other alternative and talk about him a lot in my posts prior to any of his matches. Sorry, but life goes on and there is always another tournament to look forward to.


Cindy_Brady Says:

Marcus,

You are a riot. How many more excuses can one conjure up for Roddick losing to a better player?

I got an idea? Why don’t both you and Von make Del Potro VooDoo Dolls and stick needles in its’ eyes during their next match. See how that works for ya.

LOL at the “head in the sand – in denial” fanatics of this blog.


Marcus Says:

Maso on Kimo’s comment: I COMPLETELY share your view of Murray…I was going to write exactly the same message as you yesterday…I’ve never seen a less charismatic top 5 player… He doesn’t play with the crowd at all, he never smiles, his interviews are boring and devoid of emotion, I mean, he just leaves me cold…

This description once applied to Lendl. Murray has become the new Lendl. Like Lendl, I don’t think Murray cares about what people think. He is a serious and a very good player. That is his job and he is doing it well. Though he may not command adulation, the guy deserves a lot of respect.


Marcus Says:

Cindy_Brady, thanks for the suggestion, I just may well do that. But you were wrong about the “head in the sand” thing because I don’t deny that Roddick lost. It is more like “sink into despair”. Hahaha! Well, as I said, wait for the next tournament and have a couple of aspirins on the side.


The Binocular Says:

I think Roddick is more Henman like.

Their talent is good but just falls short of what is required to win many Grand Slams.

One gets the feeling Roddick’s jokes about himself are a tad more reflective of the truth then he would lile.


Anyway speaking of tennis, the ranking system is certainly under pressure!


Maso Says:

Let’s see him win slams before we call him the new Lendl, but yes, I agree with you, Marcus, he deserves respect for the level of game that he displays and the amount of work he’s putting into it to maintain this level (and improve it). However, there are players with that kind of skill who thrill you when they get on court and Murray’s just not one of them as far as I’m concerned.

All a matter of personal opinion, I’m not trying to take anything away from him as a player. I just wish he could bring more life to his game and attitude so that I could enjoy watching him play, but obviously, he doesn’t have to change a damn thing for me or anybody. The way he’s been doing things seems to be working great! So, I have a lot of respect for his achievements, it would be stupid of me to deny his skill, and I do think he’s a serious contender for the number 1 ranking and future slam victories. But unfortunately, I don’t get any pleasure out of watching him play. Too bad for me! =(


Cindy_Brady Says:

The Binocular,

Exactly, And Roddick should thank his lucky stars for the one grand slam he does have.

2003 was the ultimate transition year of tennis. Roddick took full advantage alla Courier. Fed was not Fed yet. Agassi old. Sampras retired.

Courier lucky he never had to contend with the likes of Borg, Nadal, Lendl, or even Wilander at the French. Agassi was up and down when Courier won his French and Ozzie titles. Sampras was not yet peeking. Lendl, Becker, and Edberg were all on the downside of their respective careers. Only Chang and an erratic Agassi in his way.

Roddick and Courier share much in common. Good players who are/were perceived better than they really are.


Marcus Says:

Weren’t Courier, Sampras and Agassi about the same age? I did not include Chang there and I don’t think I have to explain that. Courier won 4 majors so he could not be all that bad and just plain lucky. But whether lucky or good or not, he was hard-working and he deserved all his majors. With four majors, at least there is room there to argue that he was good, just not as good as Sampras and Agassi. I won’t compare him with players many years removed.

If you think that Courier was perceived better than he really was, what would you make of Safin? That is one player who was given disproportionately huge praise for so little an accomplishment.


Dan Martin Says:

Cindy since Courier won the Aussie Open in 92 and 93 and Agassi did not debut in Australia until 95 he was not really in Courier’s way down under. Surely, the two did face off at every FO between 89-92 with Courier winning 3 of the 4 show downs. Courier never played Chang at the FO or AO. Courier’s biggest obstacle would have to be Edberg. Courier lost to Edberg at the 91 AO and UO, but beat Edbrg at the 91 FO, 92 AO, and 93 AO and Wimbledon.

Courier faced Edberg in 5 of the 7 slams where he reached the finals and had to beat Edberg at some point in in 3 of the 4 slams he captured.


Dan Martin Says:

Interestingly, Courier is 6-4 head to head vs. Edberg and 4-2 in slams vs. Edberg. Courier a muscular fitness nut versus the smooth moving Edberg. Courier is 4 years and 5 months younger than Edberg. Sounds a bit like a precursor to Rafa and Federer.


PietjeP Says:

Cinci draw looks interesting for next week!
The QF could already be a rematch between Murray & DelPo; they are in the same quarter

Roddick is in Fed’s quarter. Djoko has only a possible rematch with Haas in R16. Nadal with Monfils in R16 and Tsonga in QF.

Fed’s quarter seems to be loaded. Ferrer, JC Ferrero, Hewitt, Soderling, Cilic, Roddick and Wawrinka. Fed is in same half as Murray.

I’m looking forward to the USO. Sure there will be some surprise early losses (maybe even Fed or Rafa!) but there is a bunch of guys that are doing well. Murray, DelPo, Roddick. Maybe Djoko and Tsonga will go deep in the draw too.

I would lean towards Murray at the moment. He has been the outstanding hardcourt player so far, but “only” in the masters series.

IMO now it’s time he proves it in the slams by winning one. The longer it will last, the more pressure he will feels and the more “negative” press he will get. Imagine him being the nr 1 ranked player without winning a single slam…. if he sweeps a couple of more MS shields, it could very well be…

It’s still a long shot, but we could have 2 year end number ones without a slam (Safina and Murray). If that will not implode the ranking system I don’t know what ever can…


Von Says:

As usual, the Roddick ‘haters’ are spewing their quota of venom, and surprise, surprise, they are the same Fed fans who have come up with a ton of excuses for his loss vs. Tsonga on Friday, and many times before in 2008. At least the few Roddick fans here had the dignity and class not to kick ‘the Federer’ when he was down on Friday, and didn’t rebutt his fans poor-loser excuses for their idol.

Way to go guys, you’re pure class all the way, and then some.


Von Says:

“Sorry Von and company. As I predicted Bride’s maid territory for Roddick the rest of his career.” Brady

You predicted the same when Federer lost the AO, that he’ll never win another slam or anything else. Also, you stated on several occasions ‘you hated him’ (Federer), (I can provide the posts, most probably will later) and Nadal was doing drugs. Then after Federer won Madrid, you changed your tune. You’re the very best switcheroo artist and there are a few more just like you. Have fun — credibility and class = zero.

And for those of you who are rejoicing over Roddick’s loss, do you remember last Friday how down in the dumps you were? Comeuppance is a bitch at times and will come again,so be prepared, buit as usual you’ll all come up with the ready-made excuses and run true to form as usual, don’t you think? Anyway, keep up the good work guys, as the world turns and the drama un folds.


Marcus Says:

Von, take a deep cleansing breath to release all the bad air spewing out of the Roddick “haters”. I have a strange feeling that they do not hate Roddick as much as they want to irritate you, and now me, too. I am so elated. I may become famous soon.


PietjeP Says:

Von… don’t get down or ticked off so easily! Andy is a great player

How many multiple slam winners are there? That is just an elite group. And he still won one USO. More then any of the bloggers here. Unless Sean Randall is an alias for Michael Chang or Richard Krajicek…

And BTW; I’m confident he will one or two more slams. As long as he keeps putting himself in the position (final or deep in the draw) eventually that little, little bit of luck that is missing sometimes, will land his way.

Honestly though: I’m not an A-Rod fan in terms of tennis. But I am however an A-Rod fan in terms of personality


PietjeP Says:

Oeps: I meant more the commenters on the articles here then the bloggers! My bad! Sean Randall should be replaced by any …..


Marcus Says:

Roddick has one slam title. He has been number one, and a year end number one at that. For a professional tennis player those are the goals you dream to achieve. What Roddick has achieved so far is nothing to scoff at. Unless, of course, one just wants to be mean and hurt the feelings of others. It is hard to understand why others cannot simply be happy with the achievements of their favorites. They still had to go out of their way to say cast aspersion to other players and their followers.


Cindy_Brady Says:

Von,

No one is spewing hate. Stop with the sour grapes. Roddick is no where in the same breath a tennis player comparatively to Federer.

Roddick tried his hardest and still lost because of limited talent. Federer’s loss is more of a circumstance issue. When he bears down, he wins grand slams. Roddick doesn’t!

Dan Martin,

Jim Courier has a dismal record against Becker 1-6. Only beat him once when Becker was over the hill (in tennis terms). Also, only reached one U.S. Open final and lost to Edberg. Reached that final beating a 39 year old Connors in the Semis. Geez, what an accomplishment that was.

Just saying During the years Courier won the French, No hall of fame clay court players were in his way. I just think he’s one of the most over rated players ever. Go look at his over all win loss record. Good but not great in comparison to the other greats of the sport.

True he has a 6-4 edge over Edberg but didn’t manage to beat him when it counted the most during the 91 U.S. Open final. Edberg still captured 2 U.S. Opens and 2 Wimbledon titles. The two biggest titles in the sport. Courier, guess what – ZERO.


Von Says:

PietjeP:

Thanks for your post. I’m not down at all, as a matter of fact I’m very elated that Roddick got so far at DC and Montreal considering the tough opponents he had to face (which does wear down a player), as opposed to DelPotro who had Hernych (31 years old) and an ailing Nadal. However, I’m ticked off, because the same people who are talking now are the ones who have done the switch time and time again with respect to Federer and are showing how much venom they can spew once again — different player but same MO. LOL

Also, thank you for your faith in Roddick’s abilities and winning another slam. However, even if he doesn’t, I’m always going to root for him because I happen to like the guy, not just for his tennis, and numbers of slams he wins, but as a person. I have this bad trait which is called ‘loyalty’, and because of that I stick with a player (or anyone for that matter) I like through thick and thin due to that loyalty. However, I can’t say the same for some Fed fans (and fans of other players), who turned on him when he was having a bad year, but they are not singular because many did, and have done, the same with Nadal and Roddick, and have now found new faves in Djokovic, DelPotro and Tsonga, and keep adding and subtracting when one wins and/or loses. LOL. To me that alone speaks volumes as to the characters of the switch-hitters. LOL. A couple of weeks ago I was looking for a post to verify some information for Sean Randall, and it was fun to see how many switch-hitters there are and the inconsistencies they demonstrate.


Kimmi Says:

“What Roddick has achieved so far is nothing to scoff at. Unless, of course, one just wants to be mean and hurt the feelings of others. It is hard to understand why others cannot simply be happy with the achievements of their favorites. They still had to go out of their way to say cast aspersion to other players and their followers.”

Marcus: All top players get this. Federer, Murray, Djokovic, Roddick etc…unfortunately they cannot run away from it. What they have to do is let their racket do the talking.


PietjeP Says:

Von;

Roddick’s performances were very good! At Wimbledon, DC and Montreal. His 2 losses against DelPo were just bad luck in the end. It’s not like he blew a 5-0 lead….

And as far as Wimbledon; it has nothing to do with tennis that loss. When you lose 16-14 at Wimbledon. It’s about a little luck. One bad hit, one bad call, one gusty wind and things could have been opposite. Just like the Fed-Rafa final the year before. Just a coin flip in the end.

The fact that Andy wanted it so much, makes it just worse. I’m a Fed fan, but I really choked when I saw Andy at the trophy ceremony. Specially since the history he had at Wimbledon (with my guy)

People here do forget that being nr 3, 4, or 5 in the world puts an athlete on a special level. Not everybody can win 6, 8, 11 or 15 slams. And 1 slam win and 4 slam finals is a remarkable achievement.

But that’s why I’m confident Andy will win one or two more. He keeps coming back, fighting, improving and going deep in tournaments and slams. Eventually that little, little bit of luck will land his way and voila! trophy ceremony and your time for vengeance ;)


Von Says:

Marcus:

“Roddick has one slam title. He has been number one, and a year end number one at that. For a professional tennis player those are the goals you dream to achieve. What Roddick has achieved so far is nothing to scoff at. Unless, of course, one just wants to be mean and hurt the feelings of others. It is hard to understand why others cannot simply be happy with the achievements of their favorites. They still had to go out of their way to say cast aspersion to other players and their followers.”

You’re are bang on! These people don’t care to be content and find happiness with what their players have achieved, because they are masochistic in their thought processes. They are wired in appropriately and as a result, are endowed with the inability to enjoy what’s in front of them, instead, they find gratification only through inflicted or imposed cruelty on themselves, either as a result of their own actions or the actions of others, especially, the tendency to seek this form of gratification, by tearing down others.

Isn’t it sick that they back a player who’s won a lot, but yet, they have this driving need to destroy other players’ credentials and spew venom on their fans? If that’s not the mind of a masochist then what is? OY VEY. The way I see it they are so inwardly miserable that nothing and I mean nothing gives them joy — and the only way they can enjoy fleeting moments of happiness (in their sick minds) is from tearing down others and depriving them of their joy and peace of mind — they are indeed to be pitied. OY VEY.


Cindy_Brady Says:

LOL at people saying Roddick will win one or two more slams.

Also, LuLz at all the Goody Goody people saying syrupy nice things to get artificial praise from the other bloggers. Love how people tell it “the way it aint” just to be liked.

At least I’m real. Not fake like some people in here.


PietjeP Says:

Cindy; do you understand anything of tennis? Or is your whole vision black and white?

Tell me; what was the difference between A-Rod and Fed in that Wimbledon final. Nothing. A coin flip. And that coin can flip in Andy’s favour one day.

He did make it to the Wimbledon final, now didn’t he? And he did beat Murray en route, now didn’t he? So why can’t he win another slam.

In fact here’s a long shot…. his chances of winning a slam are much bigger than yours. Unless there is a slam for blogging from the sofa…


Von Says:

Kimmi: “Marcus: All top players get this. Federer, Murray, Djokovic, Roddick etc…unfortunately they cannot run away from it. What they have to do is let their racket do the talking.”

What ‘all’ players are we talking about that’s pertinent to Marcus’ remarks? Read again and comprehend, but then again, you and I both know why you would generalize this and change it around, don’t you? The simple fact, as you’ve stated in your own words: “I hate Roddick”, isn’t that so? And, that was an unprovoked response due to your senseless and repeatedly coy ‘WHY’ QUESTIONS, WHICH I REFUSED TO ANSWER WHEN YOU WANTED ANYONE AND EVERYONE, PLEASE, TO BEAT NADAL. Thankffully, Voicemale1, put you out of your misery and he laid into you good and proper, and that shut you up on Nadal, period.

You were also one of the Cindy Brady’s followers agreeing with everything. And, why is it you called Vared ‘nasty’ and some other lovely names, if all players go through this? Also, haven’t you been recently trying to turn on some of the same with respect to Safina? Why in her case you didn’t apply your old sage advice of ‘letting her racket do the talking’?

I think Kimmi, you should apply your little ‘bit’ of wisdom and follow your own advice a lot of the time and not selectively, as you choose to do all of the time, don’t you think?


Marcus Says:

Cindy_Brady Says:
Also, LuLz at all the Goody Goody people saying syrupy nice things to get artificial praise from the other bloggers. Love how people tell it “the way it aint” just to be liked.

At least I’m real. Not fake like some people in here.

Cindy-Brady: You are correct. I do like to be liked. There is nothing wrong with that. There is always a desire to be liked by others. That is inherent in the human nature. There are also others who find pleasure in doing harm to others, physically are mentally. They are called sociopaths.

You are also correct that you are not fake. Everyone here can see that. You may not be fake, but what are you?


Marcus Says:

…physically or mentally…


Von Says:

PietjeP:

Cindy Brady is one of the ‘Seven wonders’ of the world, and one of the most wishy washy of posters I’ve come across — she’s like an amoeba that does not shrivel up and die, but sucks the bloody life out of its victims, and now that victim is Andy Roddick.

Presently, Cindy is riding ‘Federer’s success train’ when last year she was crucifying him to death and made the bold prediction “he’ll never win another slam or anything else” an d reiterated that after he lost at the AO. Then Madrid came and she did a 360 degree turnaround, and she’s now a Federer fan who speaks according to her with ‘objectivity’ and is not a ‘fake’. She, at one time was hammering Nadal on his ‘supposed’ use of drugs, because she can spot ‘gear and the signs’. Then there were the Djkovic put-downs too, and now it’s good old Andy Roddick. The sad part of all of this is that Cindy has many brainless ‘cohorts’ who endorse her predictions, but can’t see the truth even if it stares them in the face, and she and they’ll continue in this vein because there are equally as miserable as she is, as is manifested by some of the posts on this thread alone.

Translation, Cindy Brady (and her cohorts) is only happy when she can sink her teeth into any player to destroy their abilities and their fans’ joy. They pounce on the player when he is down — go for the jugular, how magnanimous! Anything short of this won’t work for Cindy Brady and those who are like her. Way to go guys, and keep up with the player hopping, but puhlease I beg of you, don’t break a leg in the process. And, I mean this in the nicest way. LOL


Von Says:

Marcus: You are correct that everyone, and I mean everyone likes to be liked, it’s a fact, and part of our humanness — a feeling of belonging in our environment. Also, some people have a great need to be the focal point and will do anything, to attract that attention. Cindy’s problem is she knows she is despicable so she puts up this hard-ass front of not wanting to be liked, but deep down inside that little person wants so much to be loved, and she has my sympathy. These characters dub themselves as ‘loners’. Why, because they can’t fit in and feel unloved. How sad for Cindy Brady.


Von Says:

I’d like to make one observation, if I may, Sean Randall permitting, since he feels I defend Roddick unnecessarily, as follows:

Even though Roddick seems to be playing good tennis after that Wimby loss (I see a lot of fire missing), I believe that final fifth set is still in his mind and it is coming back to haunt him, presently in his matches. I see this manifested when he is serving in the final game of most of his sets and he gets broken only to take the set to a tie-break which he wins and/or loses. This has been happening repeatedly in his matches, since his return, in DC where he was broken many many times, trying to close out a set, and now in Montreal. It seems the final game to a set that should be won is the point of vulnerability and one which Andy needs to address and work through. He can do this through a sports psychologist, journaling, talking to his coach, wife, friends, and/or a good old-fashioned crying session as often as is necessary, in an effort to come to terms with that Wimby loss and move on. This young man is hurting big time over that loss, and it’s being manifested and revisted as I’ve mentioned above, whenever he has to close out a set or the match. If Andy does not take care of this problem, it will soon be locker room knowledge that he’s vulnerable in the final game of each set and the match and he’ll be picked on by his oppponents whenever this scenario plays out. Apparently Delpotro’s team has figured it out already, as per last night’s match — nerves and that old feeling of deja vu.


Marcus Says:

Von, for some people, any response to their words or action, regardless of whether it is a positive or a negative response, is a form of acknowledgement. The desire to be acknowledged is one form of a desire to be liked. This is obvious in Cindy_Brady’s posts, this latent desire to be liked and she will take it in any form or response. Unfortunately, something must have gotten twisted along the way and she has lost the ability to distinguish between good and bad. Or she must have been received so much negativity that it has evolved into something she believes she deserves and has started to crave for it.


Kimmi Says:

I stand on what I say. Repeat: All top players get bashed here. Federer, Murray, Nadal, Roddick etc Federer was bashed non-stop for whole of 2008 and beginning of this year, he was bashed again when he lost to Tsonga last friday. Murray has been bashed endlessly on the fact that he has not won a GS, Djokovic also….the list goes on. Once they let their racket do the talking all bashing will stop. It does not matter if I love Roddick or not, somebody else will come out and bash him when he loses. As someone was saying few days ago here, these players are millionaires and are in public eye, they cannot run away from it and I agree. (Dinara safina anyone?)


Von Says:

PietjeP:

“And as far as Wimbledon; it has nothing to do with tennis that loss. When you lose 16-14 at Wimbledon. It’s about a little luck. One bad hit, one bad call, one gusty wind and things could have been opposite. Just like the Fed-Rafa final the year before. Just a coin flip in the end.”

You are so right. The problem was he had tremendous stress to consistently have to hold serve playing from behind, and it’s where he had the disadvantage. I shudder to think of how stressful that was for him, and he faltered in the end, which is normal for anyone playing under such stress. And, it’s not about mental toughness either as some would think. Anyway, he has to look upon it as it wasn’t meant to be and say c’est la vie.

PietjeP: Thanks for the discussions and your insight.


Veno Says:

Vonnie… Just wanted to shout a heart-felt “goosfrabah” to my maman :)

I do want to say that being a loner and being liked by other people aren’t mutually exclusive, however not very likely.

I stay away from discussions like the above, not because I lack a personal strong opinion concerning the issue, but it serves me no purpose. It doesn’t reward me increased returns from the energy I would have to put in.
I enjoy reading the comments though as I can see the passion oozing from the words and sentences “penned down” by the different protagonists and antagonists(I’ll let everyone decide who falls into which category)
Von: I just want to say I applaude the passion you defend Andy Roddick with. Never letting up and always giving it your all. Kudos to to you hun!!!


Veno Says:

Hey Pietje, nice to see you back mate :)


Von Says:

Marcus: “Von, for some people, any response to their words or action, regardless of whether it is a positive or a negative response, is a form of acknowledgement.”

I can’t disagree with you, you are right, again. Hey, did we major in the same degree? LOL. Yes, a rise out of anyone on anything, however twisted, is their satisfaction and affirmation, that they are loved. Gosh, how sad! The sad part of all of this, I know all of these things, but yet I answer her stupid posts. When I ignore her, she keeps banging away until I answer. (On one thread she lied that I was stirring up controversy and I got hammered by some Fed fans.) And, when I answer her, (which most times are due to her lies) I feed her addiction even more. OY VEY! Right now, she has determined that she can get a lot of attention by jumping on Federer’s bandwagon by praising him to the hilt, and some of his fans fall for her manipulation hook, line and sinker, even though they are aware of her vacillation and lies, because it satisfies their need also to start a meaningless and vicious war — senseless ganging up. I went through this a couple of weeks ago with another headcase/behemoth.

“Or she must have been received so much negativity that it has evolved into something she believes she deserves and has started to crave for it.”

It’s like the couples who live together where the one gets beaten so much that they begin to think it’s the norm and they keep going back for more. They view the cruelty as a form of attention, and will take it any which way they can because it’s better than nothing in their minds. Ay ya ya.

I came here this morning to congratulate margot on Murray’s win and to wish him success today, and I got side-tracked with this rigmarole of having to answer stupid allegations — such a waste of time. Ouch.


Daniel Says:

Von, I agree with you in your assessment of Roddick’s serving in final moment in sets. He is making less aces as he used too. I think Verdasco and DelPo outaced him, this would never happen before. This could be the Wimby lingering.

But, maybe, as he knows his game is much better now, subconscious he doesn’t feel he need to serve for aces all the time.
I use to apply this when I play. Almost everytime you play, one thing won’t be working, unless you are in one of those days when you just wake up with the shine.
If forehand, serve, voleys and returns are good, backhand will not. If forehand, backhand and everything else is good, serve will not, and so on…(Although in Wimby everything was clicking for him, he just served last, way more pressure).

If he can serve more aces as he used to the wins will come. Or maybe DelPo has more reach and can return more of his serves.


jane Says:

Sean, having now read your piece, I thought I’d weigh in on the comparison. Personally, I don’t think Roddick and Ferrer are that similar; for one thing, Roddick’s been in a “higher class” than Ferrer largely throughout his career, having won a slam and having reached 3 Wimbledon finals and 1 additional USO final, not to mention reaching number 1! Ferrer, as far as I know, has never reached a slam final nor higher than number 4. Moreover, as some have already mentioned, Roddick has one of the best weapons on tour, and that of course is his serve. I don’t think the same can be said of Ferrer; he is a great retriever, but no single shot is a stand out the way Andy’s service is. Basically, I just don’t see the correlation, except in the fact that Roddick’s movement has improved considerably under Stefanki, and that this allows Andy to take advantage in the longer rallies. Overall, though, imo they are very different players, Roddick generally being a more aggressive player than a defensive one like Ferrer.


Von Says:

Veno: Thanks hon, today I got lucky the Dutch are rising to Andy Roddick’s defense. Hello, PietjeP and Veno. LOL.

Hey, are you ready to watch the finals in 8 minutes? Enjoy everyone! Remember ATDHE.net for the best stream, and justin.Tv. Enjoy!!


Daniel Says:

Kimmi agree with you too! All of them get bashed, it’s part of being public figures (gosh, I made them sound like politicians!).

But sometimes and for the sake of this blog the extreme negativity shoulçd be left aside. Although, every once and while a good polemic and discussions are interesting.


Von Says:

Daniel: “If he can serve more aces as he used to the wins will come. Or maybe DelPo has more reach and can return more of his serves.”

He has stated that his serve has been off over the past two weeks. Also, without a question, DelPotro has long arms and his reach off of both wings is huge. I still think Roddick will beat DelPotreo (he broke him in DC and last night in the first sets) and have a more positive H2H in the future. I don’t give up that easily on my guy, and you of all people should know that. LOL.

BTW, please, leave all heavy clothing when going to Miami, it’s scorching hot. Take an umbrella if you remember because the rainstorms are powerful, and enjoy our beautiful state of Florida.


Veno Says:

You’re welcome Von :) Happy to do that.
And I agree with your assessment of yesterday that Andy has to find his serve again. In the important moments he’s not able to rely on it and that chips away at you at those crutch moments. See how JMDP relied on his “in form booming serve” at the important moments. I hope Andy will have it figured out soon. I really want him to win a big title because the guy so deserves it.(Like you said….great efforts the last 3 tourneys, but no cigar)

I will probably watch the match interchanging between the stream and my tv for the Berlin World Championships in Track&Field. Men’s 100m final tonight!!!


Marcus Says:

Now, back to tennis. Murray-del Potro is about to begin. I’ll go get my glass of wine and enjoy this. I have no particular favorite between these two but del Potro has been impressive these past couple of weeks. I will root for whoever plays better. How is that for a safe bet? I jaust want to see a good match.


Kimmi Says:

Oh maaaaan! I like Murray to win but I also like del potro, he said this win will be very important for his career..I agree. I hope they both produce some best tennis.


Veno Says:

whahahaha crutch moments…

So sorry….of course I meant CLUTCH moments


Daniel Says:

Thanks for the advice Von! My frinds aunt, where we are staying, also said the same thing.

Well the match is about to start, I hope for 3 sets and at least one tiebreak.


Kimmi Says:

“I will probably watch the match interchanging between the stream and my tv for the Berlin World Championships in Track&Field. Men’s 100m final tonight!!!”

Veno, You are watching Murray today ..yeeepeee !My TV will show Track&Field just after tennis, looks like it will be delayed then.


Von Says:

Marcus: Don’t start giggling for no good reason with that wine, your wife might start thinking she’s got a problem on her hands. LOL. Sorry, I couldn’t let that one pass.

_________________
Veno: I have my recorder set to tape track and field. Wow, we do like the same things in many ways. Is that good or bad? LOL.
________________
Daniel: Hold onto that umbrella when you have to use it, and if it’s gusting with high winds, hold onto a post, or else you’ll get blown away, and might end up on my side of the state. LOL.


Kimmi Says:

Wow..Murray..cat and mouse game is good to see.


Joe W Says:

Hey Dan Martin:

How’s the family?


Veno Says:

“Wow, we do like the same things in many ways. Is that good or bad?”

Both Von :) Good because it gives us plenty of interests to talk about and bad cause you’re living about 5000 ms away, cause it would be nice to discuss these interests face to face… LOL

Ah well, can’t have it all I guess….


Veno Says:

Murray looks very sharp.
Hope DelPo can keep this up for 2.5 hrs if he is to win. I’ll stick with Murray in straights though, because he must be so much fitter. The Argy has to begin to feel some effects of all his play from the past 2 weeks…


Kimmi Says:

Murray down the line backhand — sweet !


Veno Says:

If I was DelPo I would hit full at Murray every chance I got(either being at net to smash….smash right at him and when he’s at net try to hit him) just to rattle his feathers a la Lendl


Von Says:

Veno: I’m in heaven. There’s track and field right after tennis and then there’s ‘Figure Skating’ following track and field. Am I lucky or what?

It would be nice if we were able to get together to have a tête-à-tête — wouldn’t that be luverlee?


PietjeP Says:

Veno; I just was a little busy these last couple of weeks. Playing tourist guide for my girlfriend’s friend.

Von; that is why ‘vengeance’ will taste all the sweeter some day. Imagine Andy beating Murray, Rafa or Fed in a GS final…

PS maybe Cindy will jump your band wagon then haha :)


Veno Says:

“Veno: I’m in heaven. There’s track and field right after tennis and then there’s ‘Figure Skating’ following track and field. Am I lucky or what?”

Yes you are and enjoy the good times as they are fleeting!!!

“It would be nice if we were able to get together to have a tête-à-tête — wouldn’t that be luverlee?”

Yes ma’am it would be nice :)


Von Says:

PietjeP:

You’re as funny as Veno is, and that’s a compliment! Veno knows this: my ex-brother-in-law is Dutch and he’s one heck of a funny guy. I’m still angry at my sister for letting him go. But all is not lost, because I still receive a huge bouquet of tulips every year for my birthday, LOL.


Von Says:

Glad to hear the ump tell DelPotro to play quicker — he’s a time-waster and a crafty one playing that time game.


Veno Says:

Actually DelPo got a warning from the ump yesterday against Andy R. too, albeit it way into the third set…


Kimmi Says:

This set is so close, can never tell who will come thru.


Veno Says:

One of the things I don’t like about DelPo: his tactics to slow down the game. Actually I don’t like it if any player does it…remember Nadal and Djokovic were horrible a couple of years ago…They’re a bit better now, but have a long way to go though…


Von Says:

Veno: You know watching him extend so far and out is one of the reasons I feel these tall guys (over 6’4″) should not be allowed to play tennis on the rgular tour. They have an unfair advantage over the shorter guys. Give them a tour of their own, seriously.


Veno Says:

Great men’s 400m hurdles semi there….good times


Von Says:

Daniel: DelPotro has those wet stains on his shorts again that you mentioned yesterday LOL. It’s lookikng awful.


Veno Says:

Hmm Von, then would we have to create a tour especially for B-Ball players who are over 7 feet, becuase they have the same advantage?


Veno Says:

wow, watching left and right and typing doesn’t bide well on my spelling skills lol…

And Thanks Von, for stressing the point about JMDP sweatty spots on his shorts again….As a man I’m glad you mention it again as I will have a tough time not looking at it from time to time hahahaha


Kimmi Says:

Del potro the way he goes to check the mark..very sloooooowly! He plays big points so well though.

What was that with Murray…finish the point !!


Veno Says:

And Von, what figure skating event is on after T&F?

Would be great to see some twirling and jumping cutie athletes go around the ice rink woohoooo


Von Says:

Is Brad Gilbert a doofus or what? The ump just told DelPotro to speed things up and Gilbert is saying it’s good he’s taking his time. What’s wrong with these guys — give them a mic and one never knows what comes out. LOL


Kimmi Says:

first min break delpo…c’mooooon Murray


Von Says:

Veno: One program is called: Silver and Bronze and the other is Summer on Ice.


Daniel Says:

Del Potro returning and coming to the net at 4-4 was just briliant. Muuray was surprised and made a mistake.


Kimmi Says:

Del potro takes the set. This guy is so strong mentally..he never give away big points easily. Greay set of tennis.


Veno Says:

My oh my…..I didn’t see that coming…

Have to say, Murray started off really sharp, but he has to be more aggressive….He lost the set there being too passive. And DelPo is using a little gamesmanship to avoid Murray to get in his rhythm….


Daniel Says:

Yeah, Von. But now is so big that is the entire shorts. Better this way!


Veno Says:

How well does this guy play the big points….


Von Says:

Daniel: a new color scheme is unfolding before our very eyes. LOL.


Kimmi Says:

That cross court FH by delpo to save 1st BP..WOW


Veno Says:

The guy mentally does not crack!!!


Von Says:

I’ll say one thing, considering what I’m seeing DelPotro is doing to Murray, gotta give a lot of credit to Roddick for playing one heck of a match and had he not been so careles would have won.

It’s alright for the commentators to talk about DelPotro’s patience, sure he’s is patient because he’s wasting a lot of time and playing to his own pace, whether he’s serving or not.


Veno Says:

Von Says:

Daniel: a new color scheme is unfolding before our very eyes. LOL.

LOOOOOOL


Kimmi Says:

Murray breaks eventually…


Veno Says:

Good point Von.

I still think Murray will win in 3. I’ve seen enough for now…

If it gets to a tight third set I’ll watch the end probably…


Veno Says:

Oh my….DelPo is just frustrating Murray out there…On all fronts!!!!


Kimmi Says:

Delpo breaks back..this guy is hitting the ball so hard. Murray will lose this, c’moon


PietjeP Says:

Von; funny… I’m Dutch too, just like Veno :)


Kimmi Says:

I don’t know if Murray can do much in this match. Del potro is serving very well and he is starting to get to Murray game..Murray get frustrated..its not looking good. Murray needs to pump himself up here…


i am it Says:

who is the man to take the break back right away and to hold? situation is looking very dicey suddenly with a lot of break chances for both. the match can still go to either player but i give the argentine a slight edge.


blah Says:

People are overreacting Roddick’s loss; I would still take him in USO over Delpo- 5 sets and home field.

So what is Del Potro’s weakness- his serve is the most improved part of his game- maybe an opponent needs to run him side to side and from the baseline to the net to wear out the big guy. I also remember Lopez just serve and volleying and handcuffing him in the Davis Cup last year.


Von Says:

blah: Roddick was running DelPotro from side to side in the first set and he broke him, and won the set. Then he began doing the same in the third and nearly won, except for a few errors. I’m still not convinced about DelPotro’s form and I agree in five sets he’ll lose, just like he did at the French v. Federer.


Veno Says:

my goodness…..


Veno Says:

I agree, I’d pick A-Rod over DelPo at Flushing Meadows this year, but Andy would have to get his serve back to the Wimby-norm….


Daniel Says:

Murray needs to intend to finish the points with winners. Last time I saw him really be agressive to finish the points was against Nadal in US Open 2008.

If his oponent is cruising, he still doesn’t change and wait for the guy to drop the level. He has the game but seems afraid to go for the balls.


Kimmi Says:

blah, Murray would have been a person to move Delpo sides by sides and it is not working so far..delpotro has improved so much since last year DC


Scottish Says:

Ah this is where everyone is. Hi all. Good match so far. JM has looked a bit sloppy this set though. Needs to bring in the loose shots.


Joe W Says:

Kimo/Maso:

Thanks for crystallizing my thoughts on Andy Murray and I couldn’t agree more with your observations, evidenced by the fact that I’m blogging instead of watching the RC final of which I have absolutely no interest in watching. Go Juan Martin!

Veno:

funny comments re: Murray’s facial ticks!

Maso draws an especially adroit parallel between Lendl and Murray. Two players that I love(d) to hate but am learning/learned to respect.

Like Lendl, Murray has made an almost immediate impact on the tour since turning pro.

Like Lendl, Murray has been amassing an impressive number of tour singles titles.

And like Lendl, GS titles have eluded Murray in the first 5 years of his career. At age 19 Lendl reached his first top-level singles final. At age 20 he won seven singles titles, including three tournament wins in three consecutive weeks on three different surfaces. At age 21 he won 10 titles and reached his first GS final at the FO. At age 22 (Murray’s present age) , 1982, Lendl won in total 15 of the 23 singles tournaments he entered and had a 44-match winning streak. Lendl’s first GS title came at the 1984 FO where he defeated McEnroe in a long final to claim what was arguably his best victory. He was 24 years old. From 1985-1988 he dominated the tour, with a match winning percentage greater than 90%, only equaled by Fed in 2006.

Lendl ushered in “power tennis” as we know it today and raised the bar in fitness (much like his WTA contemporary and countrywomen Navratilova did at the time) consistently out training his contemporaries on the tour. Once his emotional intelligence caught up to physical prowess, he was hard to beat. What will Murray’s legacy be? Mr Junk ball a la Brad Gilbert? Rope-a-doper? Cheese baller? Wanker extraordinaire? Is 2009 the year Murray breaks the GS barrier? Yes it is. I’m going over on him winning the USO, giving him better odds than Fed. I also predict that Murray claims the #1 position by this time next year, swapping back and forth with Nadal before finally holding on to it for 2 years straight. Andy Murray. The man I love to hate but am learning to respect.


Kimmi Says:

Daniel, I agree. Murray is very passive right now


Veno Says:

Joe W

Good reflection of Lendl in the 80′s.

I too think Murray will be number 1 next year.
I get no joy out of watching him, but respect the man I surely do!


Kimmi Says:

Oh Nooo..more BreakPoints chances go begging…


Veno Says:

How good is DelPo(20yrs) on big points? Amazing…


Kimmi Says:

Now Murray have to serve to stay in the match. Danger times for Murray


Veno Says:

Von: the heptathletes just finished their competition! What athletes they are(and don’t get me started on Decathletes)

Mucho respect!!!

Usain about to enter the stadium….oh my!!!


blah Says:

I agreed with the recent comments- sometimes Murray needs to just turn it on and switch from counter punching to attacking. That’s how he broke through last summer hard court season

I think Del Potro can be beaten in 5 sets- but look at how consistently hard he’s hitting the shots. Whoever gets him needs to be patient and be prepared to grind it out.

I think it’s interesting how much match ups will play a role in the USO. I can think of certain players each top 6 wants to avoid- For example, I think Federer would want to avoid Nadal and Murray, Nadal would want to avoid Murray and Del Potro (tall guy with a great two hander), Roddick would want to avoid Federer and Del Potro (the best servers in top 6 outside of himself). The draw will be more important than ever.


Veno Says:

Bolt is unbelievably cool!!!!!!!!
“I’m ready, are you ready? It’s on!”


Veno Says:

Holy crap!!!!!!!! 9.58 as if it were nothing!!!!!!


Kimmi Says:

blah, I think everybody will want to avoid Del potro and Roddick in their qtrs. The other guy everyone would want is Davydenko and to a lesser degree Tsonga.


blah Says:

Del Potro should know better than to call an injury timeout at this time…


Veno Says:

Von!!!!! Did you see the race?

Absolutely insane!!!!!!!!!!


Joe W Says:

Good day Von:

Andy Roddick has played some great tennis this year. Both matches against Del Po could have gone either way. Same with the Wimby final. IMO Del Po held it together emotionally just a tad better than Andy. Its an interesting rival among two players I enjoy watching and root for (after Fed of course). Both good guys on and off the court. Perhaps Andy’s sometimes but not oft brash
court behaviour can only be understood by Americans, who came up on Connors, McEnroe, Agassi, et al…i think its refreshing as are Andy’s pressers are. I think Andy is an over achiever and has been the only player “protecting the sheild” of US mens tennis since Sampras left. A void that is impossibly hard to fill and currently filled by one of the best, if not the best mens tennis player ever to live.

I was watching the match until my son came down into the “man cave” and wanted to watch NFL related shows, so we watched a “Redskins Legacy” piece on our fav NFL squad. When he went to bed, I flipped back to the match and caught it at 6-5 in the third, del po serving for the match. Bummer.

Forget Larry Stefanki, my advice for Andy is to carry a shiny new penny in his pocket at all times.


Veno Says:

Forget Federer, Tiger, Rafa, Murray or DelPo…

Usain Bolt is the sickest athlete on the planet!!!!!


Von Says:

Veno: Whoa, WOW, Usain Bolt!!!!!! Under 9.6 seconds. he’s the third most famous wrld athlete behind tiger woods and david beckham. WOW. how did you like the dance and the shows. LOL and LOL again. Geat, great, stupendous, Usain Bolt.


Kimmi Says:

C’mooooon Murray. take this tiebreak


Veno Says:

Not into the Murray-DelPo match at all at the moment….

It’s all Bolt now!!!!


Von Says:

Joe W:

Hello, and nice to see you weighing in today. I like your take on Roddick, and as you so aptly put it recently, ‘he’s all we’ve got right now’ and I’ll add, I’ll defend and support him until he retires — and that’s a promise. LOL. The guy is the face of America and has had to carry the burden for so long without any help. Sampras had Courier, Agassi, and Chang to help with the load. Andy Roddick has zilch.

How about you providing Andy with the shiny, new penny. LOL. catch ya later, joe, and again it’s nice to see you blogging.


Kimmi Says:

So close..3 set points C’mon


Kimmi Says:

Yes, Murray takes the 2nd set and we have the match.


Von Says:

@ 3:48 pm : “how did you like the dance and the shows.” shows sholuld be shoes.


blah Says:

Third set! Murray played that tie break with a purpose. Interesting to see now how Del Potro hold up and whether Murray becomes more aggressive and less passive. Like I said, the gap between the top guys are closer than it’s been in a long time.


Veno Says:

Murray takes the second….it will be 6-2 for Andy in the third….Good effort by JMDP though


Joe W Says:

So let’s see, six months ago the consensus of opinion was that Fed would never win another major, Rafa would break Sampras’s record of 14 GS titles and Andy Murray would supplant Fed as #2 by year’s end.


Kimmi Says:

Veno, I know you cyristal ball talking but I think you will be jinxing andy M….this match is tough let wait and see…


Veno Says:

Just love the joy he gets out of his sport!!!!
What a guy!

Loved the dance and the shoes


Veno Says:

I doubt it Kimmi, but we’ll see.

Not trying to jinx Murray…


Von Says:

Joe W:

“So let’s see, six months ago the consensus of opinion was that Fed would never win another major, Rafa would break Sampras’s record of 14 GS titles and Andy Murray would supplant Fed as #2 by year’s end.”

So much for the crystal ballers and the astral walkers and their predictions. LOL.


Von Says:

Well DelPotro knows how to play the time game and the injury timeout game very well. He did the same when Hernych won the first set, then went on to win the match.


Veno Says:

Von, I’ve seen enough of the game…is it ok if I join ya on the couch to watch figure skating?


Von Says:

Veno: Come on over — it’s so beautiful and calming to watch figure skating. Now it’s back to the TV for me.


Kimmi Says:

Veno, maybe you are right. Murray breaks and we are 2-0 up. Delpo is walking like a wounded animal now


Veno Says:

Murray has the same luck now that DelPo had last week at Legg Mason…Kimmi……6-2


Kimmi Says:

Double faults are piling up for delpo..he is really tired.


Kimmi Says:

second break 4-0 Murray…time to eat my dinner.


Veno Says:

Sometimes it’s just hard being right so many times :)

Scootch over Vonnie, here I come….Bringing a nice bottle of wine with me…


Von Says:

Murray should write a thank you note to Roddick for wearing out DelPotro last night.

C’mon Andy M, zing him now and finish him off.


Kimmi Says:

Ha ha ha Delpo breaks back..from nowhere..he is now going for broke.


blah Says:

No way is he fit enough to win the USO… he might take out a top name along the way but that’s it. Looks like he’s going to get a breadstick in the last set… Onto Cincy.


Von Says:

DelPotro got lucky with his draw. He faced hernych (31 years old) and an injured Nadal while Roddick had Verdasco and Djokovic.


Kimmi Says:

yeah..Andy Congratulations.


Von Says:

Yahoo, and Murray wins!

margot, hooray!


Veno Says:

Congrats Margot and other Murray fans…
Could only watch 1 set(the first) and change….for me that’s a pretty good effort considering Murray was in it…


Marcus Says:

Well done, Murray. Congratulations to you and all Murray fans. Del Potro should be proud and has probably earned a number of admirers, including myself.

Now I digress. Usain Bolt was quite a spectacle to watch. He has such infectious joie de vivre. I feel happy just watching him.


Von Says:

Marcus: Gotta love that dance Usain and his compadre put on after the race. Usain has a smile that’s worth millions. BTW, are you sure it’s Usain and not the wine that’s producing the joy, or is it both? LOL


Von Says:

Veno: I suppose it’s an early night for you. Are you ready for Cincy tomorrow? Sleep well and good night, Veno


Veno Says:

Yes it is Von…Enjoy the girls on ice…

I won’t be tuning in to Cincy before the QF’s….Am too sleep deprived….

And have to be fit for the USO

G’nite :)


Veno Says:

Andy Murray will be seeded 2 at the Open….

Semi Fed-Rafa anyone?


Kimmi Says:

WTA: Dinara safina not looking good against Jankovic, a set and break down…


Scottish Says:

Congrats to Murray fans. He played the match he needed to get the job done. On to Cincy.

JM did well 2 weeks in a row and he’s on his way up the ladder. Hope he gets the rest he needs for USO.

See ya’ll during Cincy!


Marcus Says:

Von,

Wine always makes my day. I will be away for a few days. Keep your head up and stay well. As for what I wrote about Cindy, I may have been too harsh. I should remember not to go tooth for tooth with anyone. If and when I do, remind me. It is only tennis anyway. We here all love tennis which somehow binds us together. The farthest thing in my mind is to make enemies. My words may sound syrupy but I prefer my wine dry.


sensationalsafin Says:

Von, I don’t understand why you always have to diminish anyone’s accomplishment when their name isn’t Andy Roddick. Is that why Roddick lost to JMDP? Because he was tired from a tough draw? Nadal isn’t injured anymore, he’s coming back from an injury (ahahaha whatever that means). Del Potro is just really good. He’s proven that several times this year and still has a few more months to continue improving.


Polo Says:

Agree with sensationalsafin there about Von. Oh why oh why to do you do that Von? I was ready to sympathize with you for Roddick’s back to back losses to JMDP but remarks like that that diminish other players wins make it hard to understand your wiewpoint. Your are intolerant of others for their comments you feel are not favorable to your idol yet you cannot do the same to others. I hope you can be objective and analyze what you write compare with those you fight with. You are just like them. You are not better.


Von Says:

sensationalsafin: You should be the last to talk about anything I say. Remember what you said about Roddick last year when he beat Gulbis? You said hee played like a ‘pansy’, because you wanted gulbis to win. And, how many other names have you not given to Roddick, whenever he beats someone you like? What about when Karlovic beat Djokovic, do you remember what you said about Karlovic, that all he has is a serve and you and jane were ticked off at him because your boy lostt? And that wasn’t all you said, even grendel pounced on you. What I’ve mentioned is just touching the iceberg with respect to your un-called for comments about other players.

No, I’m not mad at DelPotro for beating Roddick, I just don’t likehim at all, his on-court persona and his time-wasting between points and call for the trainer when he’s losing. you’ve complained about the same with respect to Nadal. I wonder what you would have said had DelPotro won his match at the FO v. Federer.
______________
Polo: You never cease to amaze me, you’re always hiding behind someone’s skirt/pants and when they speak out you then have the courage to pounce. Have fun, grendel will. be back to defend you and demonize me some more and I give you permission to jump in and do your usual thing once again. Anyway, continue with some more on your switch-hitting practices.


Von Says:

BTW, sensationalsafin, I’m entitled to my opinion just like you and the others who state theirs, so what’s your problem? You’re the only one who has carte blanche in the opinion department. I suppose I’ll ask polo the same thing.

And, Polo, why were you going to sympathize with me over Roddick’s loss considering you wrote that nasty little post early this morning before I mentioned anything about DelPotro’s draw? Is that statement @ 5:55 pm to make you sound noble? Come off it, I can spot that little trick a mile away. You’re using that to vent some more of your usual muck. Oh what a tangled web we weave Polo. Anyway, go for it, especially the jugular now that you’ve got some backing in sensationalsafin.


Von Says:

Sensationalsafin:

“Nadal isn’t injured anymore, he’s coming back from an injury (ahahaha whatever that means).”

A prime example of how you like to criticize others. What do you mean by “(ahahaha whatever that means).”? You’re unbelievable! so now, Nadal wasn’t injured or you don’t know the meaning of the word ‘injury’? As I said, ‘oh what a tangled web we weave. when you’re going to come at me, just make sure your slate is spotless, or else don’t bother to expend the effort.

And Polo, you had some fine excuses for Friday’s loss, didn’t you? but, why shouldn’t you, you’re a Fed fan and you have ‘an advantage’, per your words, so spew. LOL.


Von Says:

And guys, one last comment, how is it you’re not offended by the degrading comments others made with respect to Murray, but only mine with respect to DelPotro? If you’re so fair and noble, all comments should be offensive, yes?. And sensationalsafin, what about Polo’s and Cindy Brady’s nasty little digs with respect to Roddick earlier today? I suppose your eyes didn’t focus on those did they? I’ve learnt with you, some things are OK and some are not. If you don’t like a player, you could care zilch what’s said about them, but when it’s one you like, God help us all. Anyway, I’ve wasted enough energy on the two of you much more than you’re deserving, and I give you permission to talk ’till the cows come home. Better still, why not set up a new chat room featuring the two of you and add any others you’d care to invite – the more the merrier.


lala Says:

For petes-sake Von, calm down!!! You protest too much.


Giner Says:

Kimo:

“Four years and 17 out of the last 18 slams isn’t enough for you?!”

That is true, but what I meant is beginning from the time Nadal had a seemingly impregnable lock on the #1 spot. It didn’t take long to break, and he may even fall to #4.


margot Says:

von et al., thanx for your good wishes re Andy M.
von: as a matter of fact I agree with you, so many many really nasty comments about Andys.
And if you really want to see a smiley Andy M look at his interview when the roof was opened at Wimbledon, when he was relaxed and not under pressure. The way these guys are jumped on for every little thing they say and do, I’m surprised they ever open their mouths.
So Rogers Mr Nice Guy Of All Time and Rafas Mr Truly Humble OF ALL Time, yeah right. Pardon me while I have a peuk.

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