Murray Makes a Mess; Wozniacki v. Sharapova in Blonde Battle Today at US Open
by Sean Randall | September 6th, 2010, 10:49 am
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On a day of upsets at the US Open, none was bigger than the shock loss of Andy Murray as the lackluster Scot was sent off by Stan Wawrinka 6-7, 7-6, 7-6, 6-3 in the third round Sunday.

Murray, who was tabbed by many as the favorite to win his first Slam title this week after an impressive summer showing, seemed to be back in that funk we saw from him in the early spring. And Murray had little explanation for it.

“He played better than me,” said Murray who had treatment on his leg/quad during the match. “There’s not a whole lot more to it. He had a chance to win the first set; didn’t take it. I had a chance to win the second set; didn’t take it. I just struggled from then on.

“I didn’t think it was a terrible performance today,” he added. “I don’t think I played terribly. Very different playing against a guy like in my second round than playing a guy like Wawrinka. He’s a much better player.”

In the end though it was another Murray loss at a Slam he was targeted to win or at the very least do well in. After reaching the US Open finals in 2008, the Murray trajectory is in decline, losing in the fourth round last year and now this third round stunner.

And the British pressure of having to win that first Major is not going away.

“I have no idea of whether I’ll win a Grand Slam or not,” Murray said. “You know, I want to. But, you know, I mean, if I never win one, then what? If I give a hundred percent, try my best, physically work as hard as I can, practice as much as I can, then that’s all I can do, you know. It’s something I would love to do. It’s a very difficult thing. But, uhm, I don’t know. I don’t know if I’ll win a Grand Slam or not. But I’ll give it my best shot.”

Credit to Wawrinka, who rightfully attacked Murray’s short, defensive offerings and the Swiss came up with magnificent shots, especially off the backhand. I thought Wawrinka would put up a hardy fight against Murray, and he did, I just didn’t expect him to win in four sets!

“I think the serve was one of the key of the match, for sure,” said Stan who improves to 4-5 against Murray. “I served pretty well. Beginning of the second set was not really good, but then I think that help me a lot to get some free points. It’s always important against that kind of player. But, no, I think all my game was pretty good. One of my best match, for sure. I was very aggressive. I was doing everything really good. So I’m very happy.”

Murray’s loss wasn’t the only surprise on the day, another “summer star”. After a torrid August stretch, hopes were high that the mercurial David Nalbandian had re-found his form just in time for a deep US Open run. But those hopes were dashed yesterday when the Argentine was bounced by Fernando Verdasco 6-2, 3-6, 6-3, 6-2.

Verdasco’s win connects him with countrymen Rafael Nadal, Feliciano Lopez and his next opponent, David Ferrer, who are all in the same “Spanish Quarter” of the draw.

“It’s always nice to see all the Spanish winning and being in the last rounds, no?” Verdasco said. “So if you need to lose, it’s better to lose against a Spanish player, then at least one guy is gonna be there one round more, no? I’m happy. I hope to play good also the next round, keep doing my work and my job as better as possible. Trying to play the best to be in the quarterfinals like last year.”

The other big upset on the day hit the tour’s big man, 6-foot-9 John Isner, who wasn’t on his game in a disappointing 6-4, 6-7(7), 7-6(5), 6-4 loss Sunday night.

Youhzny very nearly choked the match away after blowing a 5-2 second set lead. But the former US Open semifinalist regrouped and broke Big John five times to win in four sets.

“I just didn’t have the pop I needed on my shots,” said Isner who beat Andy Roddick in this round a year ago. “I wasn’t able to get to the balls like I thought I should have. You know, certain shots, running around a forehand, coming up late, hitting them late. So, yeah, I was a little bit fatigued. But with that being said, you know, I gave myself every chance to compete in this tournament, ’cause two weeks ago it didn’t look good at all, so… Yeah, I just didn’t feel that that great out there.”

Spain wasn’t done on the day. Tommy Robredo recorded his second straight retirement victory when Michael Llodra withdrew with an illness in the fourth set. But Nicolas Almagro wasn’t as fortunate as he got hammered by Sam Querrey in straight sets. The American now gets Wawrinka on Tuesday.

As for the women, Grand Slam champions Venus Williams, Kim Clijsters and Francesca Schiavone all marched on in relative ease. In the late evening/early morning, Sam Stosur saved four matchpoints to turn away the hardluck Elena Dementieva 6-3, 2-6, 7-6(2). I didn’t catch any of the match but reports suggest it was a good one.

Looking at today’s busy schedule, first to the men.

Novak Djokovic tries for his fifth straight win over Mardy Fish, and I think today the Serb gets it. Unquestionably, Fish is playing the best tennis of his life but at the same time after two five setters in three matches and following the long summer I think the American has to be weary. And if Novak is poised, awake and on his game he just has too much firepower for Fish. For me the serve is the key to this match and player who serving the best should win.

Roger Federer clashes with yet another lefty, this time French Open semifinalist Jurgen Melzer in the evening, and I think Federer should roll in that one. In similar fashion, Robin Soderling should take care of the overreaching Albert Montanes with comfort.

Also, in maybe the most interesting men’s match my man Gael Monfils takes on his countryman Richard Gasquet. The talented Gasquet has blitzed the field thus far and I think his form and offensive playing style takes him past Le Monf.

But the big match on the Labor Day holiday schedule belongs to the women. In a much-anticipated battle of the blondes, top seed Caroline Wozniacki squares off against former US Open champion Maria Sharapova for a quarterfinal berth (and really a spot in the final opposite Clijsters if you look at the draw). Wozniacki has dropped just three games entering the match while Maria’s booked her fourth round spot with a double bagel. So both are well in form.

Head-to-head, Sharapova leads 2-0 winning both meetings in 2008 and in straight sets. But Caroline is a different player now.

That said, a lot has been made about Wozniacki’s lack of big wins, especially in Majors, and her inflated ranking thanks to titles at the smaller events. Well, now the World No. 2 has the chance to prove her detractors wrong.

For Sharapova, a win today puts her back in the conversation of players who can win Slams going forward. Questions still remain for Maria after her shoulder surgery, but this year she’s shown that old winning form, and a win today would really tell me, at least, that she’s back.

And I think Maria’s offensive-minded game defeats the defensive ways of Wozniacki. I am looking forward to this one.

CBS is again on the afternoon today. ESPN2 takes over in the evening.

MONDAY US OPEN SCHEDULE

Arthur Ashe Stadium 11:00 AM
Svetlana Kuznetsova(RUS)[11] vs. Dominika Cibulkova(SVK)
Mardy Fish(USA)[19] vs. Novak Djokovic(SRB)[3]
Caroline Wozniacki(DEN)[1] vs. Maria Sharapova(RUS)[14]

7:00 PM
Andrea Petkovic(GER) vs. Vera Zvonareva(RUS)[7]
Jurgen Melzer(AUT)[13] vs. Roger Federer(SUI)[2]

Louis Armstrong Stadium 11:00 AM
Richard Gasquet(FRA) vs. Gael Monfils(FRA)[17]
Kaia Kanepi(EST)[31] vs. Yanina Wickmayer(BEL)[15]
Robin Soderling(SWE)[5] vs. Albert Montanes(ESP)[21]


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375 Comments for Murray Makes a Mess; Wozniacki v. Sharapova in Blonde Battle Today at US Open

Gannu Says:

really disgusted… I badly want Roger to win.. and look at his luck.. he gets one of the worst draws,, Djokovic is even more unfortunate.. his draw is the worst.. whereas the a$$ picker gets the easiest draw..he can sleepwalk, moonwalk etc into finals.. and even if roger is not gonna reach the final…then he will thrash the finalist in straight sets.. I just so badly want roger to win… but after seeing the sequence of events and all the top players – berdych, murray, nalbandian falling apart in nadal’s draw i have no hopes watsoever…This year perhaps the stars are all shining on Rafa’s head… The loser spaniards in his draw just worship and have no belief watsoever about their chances…

I just cant see rafa lifting one more trophy this year.. the only solace is Fedex now has a new coach – paul Annacone whose wisdom and advice should help.. and that i think could be the biggest trump card…yes we are a long way away from fed rafa Final.. and roger has to win plenty more matches… but i guess Paul’s advice should bring in a fresh perspective and enable him to tackle everyone.. Hope our man takes the 17th Grandslam…


Gannu Says:

Sean, tough to see sharapova winning over caroline..I love sharapova for her attitude and would love her to go all the way but her game is too high risk high return.. either she just can blast off everyone by relentlessly hitting winners..or she just gets into error mode and that can verywell happen with counter punchers like wozniacki who will run all the day and make sharapova hit that extra ball.. I am not very sure whether Sharapova is stillready to pull this one out.. Hope i am seriously wrong…


fed is afraid Says:

rafa might have a cakewalk to the final, but he owns a certain GOAT, and will thrash him if they meet in the final


Gannu Says:

fed is afraid has spoken up.. he has been hiding under his hole for the past week.. and moment murray and nalbandian lose he wakes up…. Atleast for the kind of fans Nadal has… he should lose so that those guys permannently abscond.. cant take them any longer… They just get on my nerves….

tired of their silly arguments.. and the one argument which always emerges is fed is lucky- 10 great reasons (from tennistalk) to call federer is lukcy to win 16 grandlsams..Anything i am missing nadalites?

1) Federer gets Djokovic => lucky draw because Fed has beaten Djoker in GS
2)Federer gets Murray => lucky draw because Fed has beaten Murray in GS
3)Federer gets Nadal on NY HC => lucky draw because Nadal is not at his best on HC or injured
4) Federer gets Nalbandian => lucky draw because Nalby is tired from all playing
5) Federer gets Söderling => lucky draw because Fed has 12-1
6) Federer gets Roddick => lucky draw because Fed always beats Roddick
7) Federer gets Berdych => lucky draw because Berd is not consistent and could choke
8) Federer gets Baghdatis => lucky draw because Baghdatis has played alot before the USO
9) Federer gets other seeded players => lucky draw because they just roll over and die before him
10) Federer gets unseeded players/qualifiers => lucky draw because they are too easy

PATHETIC!


Chris Says:

I think it´s Wawrinka who got injured and needed help with his quad, not Murray. As for Nadal, I am praying for another classic final with Federer, although Federer would probably win, in spite of being 5 year older…


Kimberly Says:

IF rafa gets to the final his chances are very strong.


fed is afraid Says:

murray would not have beaten nadal at uso,
neither would david.


Gannu Says:

yes fed is afraid.. amazing intelligence… Murray can beat rafa at us open in 2008 and at australiaon open in 2010 but not in US open 2010!!! Well done.. and i am very sure…Both the times when Nadal lost he was injured…

well whats new abt that… whenevr rafa loses he is injured!! I am pretty sure of rafa is a set and a break down in any of this matches..the trainer will be called.. mark my words…Gamesmanship at its best..Never ever roger calls a trainer in any of his matches.. have u ever senn him?? The only time he did was against Murray in Shanghai year end masters in 2008


Andrew Miller Says:

Sharapova should beat the Woz. Maybe Verdasco is the surprise semifinalist vs. Federer?????


Gannu Says:

Andrew… verdasco is in nadal’s quarter.. he can only meet federer in the final!!!


fed is afraid Says:

nadal is serving better this year, and volleying better, murray would have had no chance against this nadal. unfortunately murray is a mope,. but i hope he gets it together, would love to see him win a major.


Kimmi Says:

hmm monfils looks to win the battle of the frenchmen in this first set.

gasquet seem to be playing defensive for my liking. ok, thats the way to go gasquet. aggressive


Gregoire Gentil Says:

It’s correct that Rafa’s draw seems much more a breath now! But be careful of Verdasco. Remember Australian open semi-final 2009. Verdasco can beat Nadal on ciment.

As for Federer, the main danger is Soderling.

I bet a for a final Federer / Verdasco.


Ivan Says:

Gannu. It’s okay. I understand you. Cheering for the second best player who has no chances whatsoever of reaching the No. 1 spot ever again can indeed be distressful. Also, your comment about Sharapova’s play suggests that you’re a perfect federer fan: conservative, over-confident, and plain square… Just don’t let the match results in the following week jerk you one tear too many..

Nadal and Sharapova ftw !!


Kimmi Says:

what..gasquet is falling apart. hits a double fault wide on the othe box. great defence from la monf to cause doubt in reshard mind;

qasquet needs to do better than this or this match is gone


guy Says:

gannu

federer called a trainer versus safin AO semi final which he lost. though i don’t think it was gamesmanship. and neither are nadal’s injury problems. defending champions don’t pull out of grand slams and lose no.1 rankings for fun.

as for the lucky draw. verdasco very nearly beat nadal at the aussie in one of the best matches i’ve seen. lopez just beat him at queens. the semi opened up, but youhzny you might remember has a great record against nadal and has beaten him at the US.

federer missed out on the hewitt matchup. he has also beaten djoko three straight times at the US. the only real threat on paper is soderling. and soderling has beaten him once. and was beaten by federer last year, also being served a bagel.

i wouldn’t call fed’s draw brutal by any means.


guy Says:

i think they both have good chances of making the final. then you might have something to complain about though. because the nadal serve is looking scary. 91% first serve wins against simon? that’s big


Ben Pronin Says:

I think Nadal and Federer have modest draws. Murray obviously had a tough one and I think Djokovic’s is just brutal.

Anyone else seeing the news on CBS instead of tennis. Wtf is this nonsense.


fed is afraid Says:

watch it on usopen.org better commentators than enberg carillio and mcenblow


margot Says:

hi kimmi: how’s u? Am still sobbing, quietly of course…and have to read this horrible title every time I visit:(
Am watching Gasquet and Monfils. G suddenly playing beautiful tennis. Gr8 to watch


margot Says:

And Sean’s Monfils goes up 2 sets to love. Playing fabulous tennis. Gr8 match, perfect timing UK. Anyone else watching? Think we’ve also got tail end of Earle here. madmax, grendel, what’s it like with you?
jane: hi! yes, my post was fairly Polyanna.. All up to Novak now! Shall be watching and cheering! Actually I want whoever beats Beefy Boy to win whole thing! How about “Bouncer Beats Beefy Boy Beautifully!”


Sonny Says:

All the best to Maria Sharapova today… she has been exceptional so far and I’m hoping she’s back to her winning ways and lifts the US Open trophy…


jane Says:

Looks like it’ll be probably La Monf for Fish or Nole to battle with next round, unless Reeshard can come back from 2 down (can’t see it, but lovely to have Gasquet back in the conversation no matter what happens today).

This is a fabulous opportunity for Rafa to get to the finals isn’t it? Things have opened up for him, with Murray gone (I miss Andy). I can’t really see anyone from that side upsetting Nadal unless Hotsauce gets really hot, but even then? Possibly Sam? Maybe he could take a set, maybe even 2? However, I still think Rafa’s got a very good chance of contesting his first ever US Open final.


jane Says:

margot, lol, love the alliteration. Maybe you should commandeer control of the tennis press over there and start writing! And go easier on Andy M, would ya? ;)


margot Says:

jane: yes, grendel’s prophecy is coming true and Rafa would get all 4 slams at once. How amazing is that?
Meanwhile this is a super match and Monfils is hot in form and sweating!


Kimo Says:

Look, there is something that you guys keep forgetting about the possible Rafa-Fed matchup. First of all, Roger still hasn’t played his fourth round yet, and if he wins against Melzer, he’s possibly looking at playing Soderling, Djokovic and Rafa in a row. Now what I’d call an easy path to the championship, but I digress.

If this was the AO, RG or Wimbledon, and both Rafa and Roger advanced to the final, I would give the edge to Rafa, and I’m saying this as an unabashed Fed fan. It’s not because I don’t think Fed is better than Rafa, because he sooooo is, but because Rafa is just a bad matchup for Fed. That’s just how it is.

But there is an unknown quantity that would be added if they are to meet in a USO final: they don’t get a day of rest after the semi.

You’d be making a huge mistake to think that it’s not much of a difference. It’s a HUGE difference, and one that would tip the odds heavily in Fed’s favor.

Remember the Madrid final last year? Every Rafa fan was quick to point out: “Oh Rafa only lost because he played a four-hour three-setter the day before.” Fine. But a three-setter semi would be a best case scenario for Rafa should he reach the final, it may even be a four or five-setter. And let’s not forget that hardcourts are a lot more punishing than clay courts.

Should Fed and Rafa advance to the final, Roger has the upper hand.

But it’s all speculation at this point, considering how Roger has three tough opponents before then while Rafa has his Spanish Davis cup teammates to beat up on.


sonic Says:

Kimo,

Should Rafa and Federer reach the finals on equal terms, then yes, Fed is a fairly big fav actually. He was the better player with more chances in both AO and Wimbledon final, but got crushed by Rafa’s mental thoughnes. On a court of this speed and low bounce, he’ll get enough of an advantage to do his thing.

However, should Fed play the night match on saturday and have a though one (and he should have if it’s Djokovic – but win in this scenario) then things change big. He’d now he has no more than 4 sets in him for the final, so there’s extra preasure. So a lot to be decided before one can be declared a favorite.

Too much is being said of Nadal’s serve. It’s not that great of an improvement, he’s just played players that can’t return so far, or back it up if they can. We’d have to see it in a real match to judge it, and besides, he gets so many free points off Federer even with crappy serving, it’s likely the effect won’t be noticable.

But really, if there is one match i want to see this year, it’s Fed Nadal final. The preasure would be thick enough we could taste it thru the screens – likely the only reall chance Nadal will get to win the US Open and complete the slams, while Fed certaily doesn’t want to lose in all 4 slams to his nemesis and so lose his last remaining standing stone.

Nadal and Federer have not shown that much here. I have to wonder where all this awe of Nadal in NY comes. From what i’ve seen of him in NY so far, he is still making a lot of UE’s you don’t expect of him, has a hard time returning first serve (amazingly, he’s the leader in almost all returning statistics, but not even top10 in returning first serves – and that’s all surfaces combined) and relys mostly on players to crumble, which they do, just like Fed’s opponents so far have done.

And still trying to decide who’s most likely to make a decent match of in the top half SF. Robredo, Wawrinka (injured?) Querrey and Youzhny. You can just see either of them choking so bad they’s make Novotna look good.


Tony Says:

Gannu, don’t worry Roger will win, Rafa is going lose. It is a destiny.


jane Says:

Technical question: I see there is a “J. Sock” in the boys’ singles draw, but wasn’t he also in the mens’ singles? Can a player do that? Play both juniors and mens at the same time in the same event? Or maybe it’s a different J.Sock?


fed is afraid Says:

fed is a mental midget against rafa.


Kimo Says:

Richard is still a choker.


Kimo Says:

jane: in short, yes, they can.


Kimo Says:

@jane: for example: Laura Robson was playing both girls and ladies singles at Wimbledon this year.


jane Says:

True, Gasquet isn’t at his best, but this match between Gasquet and La Monf has still been really enjoyable to watch – out of all the matches I’ve seen at the USO, one of the most enjoyable.


jane Says:

Kimo thanks for clarifying. For some reason I hadn’t noticed that in the past.


scineram Says:

This US Open has Australian Open 2009 written all over it. Nadal walking through a weak field, then embarassing Federer in the final.

Mark my words!


jane Says:

Congrats to La Monf!


i am it Says:

Drop shots are suicidal, and Djoko paid for it.
You don’t play drop volleys with Fish. Djoko must try to keep Fish behind the baseline. That was just stupid to hand back break.


margot Says:

And Monfils goes through in 3. I haven’t seen him play like that for ages. Fabulous athleticism without any of the usual idiotic antics. grendel hope u were watching, know you’re a big fan.
jane:How about Amazing Andy ambushes all at Australian.. well I can dream…


i am it Says:

Jane, Duro, Sar,
Pray that your man does not play those drop volleys, not with Fish.


Duro Says:

He will, all right. Can’t help it…


dari Says:

I’M gonna play the game like this: let’s go rog against MELZER! Roger still has work to do, but ultimately, I want this to be a magical two weeks for rog. I want him to extend records, mystify and do the impossible. Let’s go roger, show em what you’re made of! Long time to wait for the match! We will be eating and watching tennis all day and all night!


Ben Pronin Says:

I love how the commentators continue to criticize Djokovic and praise Fish while Novak is cursing through those first set.


Duro Says:

It’s the serve that worries me… Other aspects are superior than Mardy’s. It’s the only reason why Novak lost that game. Like as he has not a service at all.


i am it Says:

Jane,
Did that get Monfils right, too?
I don’t want to be right on Djoko-Fish prediction.
I will be more than happy to be wrong on this. Early signs show that I am going to be wrong. That is good.
If the way this match is going, Djoko has to hold his serve and avoid drop shots. That will do.

Already 4-1 and the set will be quickly over if Djoko just holds.


i am it Says:

Ben,
They are USTA employees. What else were you expecting?


i am it Says:

correction @2:05 = Did I get Monfils right?


stu Says:

Ben, they were doing that in the Blake match too. Super annoying.


Ben Pronin Says:

Djokovic hitting very cleanly. Criticisms still coming but some praise being thrown in.


dari Says:

Way to go nole


stu Says:

Fish is starting to focus better though. The next set may be close…


Kimmi Says:

fish looks to start a little slow. his serve which is a weapon is not so good at the moment. aha serving at 14% first serve..hmmm it wonr cut it.


margot Says:

Hey jane, Duro: Djko looking very good, unless he does a horrible Andy move,seizing defeat from the jaws of victory, can’t see him losing this one.
I see Kutzy went out, shame, like her v. much.


madmax Says:

Ivan:

Gannu. It’s okay. I understand you. Cheering for the second best player who has no chances whatsoever of reaching the No. 1 spot ever again can indeed be distressful. Also, your comment about Sharapova’s play suggests that you’re a perfect federer fan: conservative, over-confident, and plain square… Just don’t let the match results in the following week jerk you one tear too many.

Gannu – madmax here. The post above to you from Ivan. You notice the name rarely posts here until something happens whereby rafa suddenly is able to breathe? Don’t worry so much.

I know that you do, but what really is the point? People like Ivan/FIA, just want to make you feel insecure about yourself and about Fed. So push them aside and concentrate on the positives.

Indeed, rafa is playing well, but has he been tested to his full capacity yet? I dont think he has, though two tie breaks is close.

It may well be that he reaches his first final at the USO, and that would be a wonderful achievement for him – no one can deny that.

As for Federer, he has 41 hard court wins out of his current 63 titles. That is huge Gannu. I would say that hard court is his best court and he is ready Gannu. He is putting in the hours/the hard work and now, he has more self-belief that imo he has had in a long time, possibly since Australia 2010. Come on. Don’t be down. This is a great tournament so far. Each player has the benefits of an easier/more difficult draw, I do believe they balance themselves out over the season.

But remember, (I think you mentioned earlier), fed has Annacone – this is something which has to give him that extra lift – I am not saying it will make a massive difference to his already natural game, BUT one thing is for sure. Federer is not going anywhere for a long, long time. And Annacone is giving Fed the benefit of his experience, so don’t doubt that. You think he would know more about tennis than cheapskates like Ivan and FIA – Gannu!

I read some headlines from Wimbledon 2009, how the same journalists were forecasting a soderling win over federer – really pumping it up – and some of the rafa fans were hoping for this big time.

There is no doubt, Soderling is a great player. I love watching soderling play, but I am not so sure he is as consistent as people make out. He played a 5 setter in the FIRST ROUND. (Similar to Fed at Wimby, I know), But firstly soderling has improved on that and his game is peaking now. But who knows what is going to happen later? Montanes may pull another upset later tonight. (I don’t think he will, but…) I think he has beaten soderling once (who may have been injured?). You just never know.

Secondly, come on Gannu. Push aside the irregulars who come on to feed your insecurities. They love it, don’t they? And then you have the great rafa posters here, like Aleisha who hasn’t been here for a while – so don’t paint all of them with the same brush.

I just believe in Roger’s game. I believe he has the variety and the tools to beat every other player out there on hard court and that includes rafa. FIA always seems to bring up the h2h. But the H2h in terms of hard court with Roger is in Roger’s favour, plus, he has shown the consistency and the belief to win year upon year -on hard court.

Should both fed and rafa reach the finals, then who is going to have the most pressure? Rafa who will have reached his first USO final, going for a first USO title and a career slam OR FED. Who has reached 6 finals and won 5 of those?

If this is the final, then what a great final it will be – to be enjoyed.

I think, for now, you just have to concentrate on the melzer match first before you look too far ahead. And ignore those who want to play on your insecurities.

Margot,

Are you North, South, East, West or Mids? But yes, where I am windy galore and raining cats and dogs (being as Jane mentioned alliteration, I’ll go for cliche).

Seems you are right about Hurricane Earle. Scary.


jane Says:

Fish is picking up his game now. Nole always drops after the first set. Fish has a better serve and a way better net game. Plus I have never seen Mardy move this well. I am not feeling confident, let’s just say.


stu Says:

Novak needs to start shortening points…bring back the sharp angles and line painting!


jane Says:

But woot! He took the first set anyhow.


Duro Says:

We caught a fish in the first set…


stu Says:

How was your lunch, Duro? Was it well-done?


margot Says:

jane: !! Have faith.
madmax: south, v. windy, heavy rain…just hear the yankees laughing at our weather…


saj Says:

Somehow can’t see Maria beating Caroline in current form… I agree with Gannu – Maria will likely be driven to making errors by the great retrieving of Woz. Hope I am wrong.

On men’s side, it would be a huge surprise if Nadal does not make the finals. Nadal is in pretty good form. I thought Murray would take him out though. I saw some of their match in Canada and it was a pretty straight forward beating.

On the other hand, from this point on, Fed looks to be facing a rough ride to the finals.


sar Says:

Haha Stu, Duro was having a fish for lunch.


jane Says:

margot, easier said than done. Fish is flying and flowing now. Tougher to catch. (hard to avoid metaphors with Mardy). Liked your Australian headline, b.t.w.


stu Says:

i know sar, thats why i asked :)

nole should have won both of the last 2 longgg rallies.


Kimmi Says:

wow! the new fish can return all the big booms on the baseline from djoko…I becaming a great match now.


grendel Says:

margot – yeah, windy here an all (me in Yorkshire). Yes, well, mixed feelings Monfils/Gasquet – kind of love em both, and certainly Gasquet should have got a set. Monfils did have one nasty fall, you know, looked like his ankle turned over – silly bugger, isn’t he? From that match (apart from being, as jane said, thoroughly enjoyable) I got two feelings which don’t exactly support each other. One, Monfils somehow looked more serious, as if he has realy come to win, not just entertain, and he is ready to take on even so big a boy as Djokovic. Two, he enjoys playing with Gasquet – partly just the sheer exuberance of two artists having a ball with each other but, more seriously: Gasquet gives him space, and tends to be fragile at the critical moments. So really, we still don’t know where Monfils is at – that’ll have to wait until the next match, which will be a stern contest whoever it is out of Fish and Djokovic.


stu Says:

i thought i was the biggest pessimist when it came to Novak but you’ve taken it to a new level, jane :)


Duro Says:

Uh, the net is getting loose… The lunch was perfect, thank you. I ate it all with a head and a tail just in any case!


Kimmi Says:

double fault at the wrong time..again.


i am it Says:

Djoko takes his first break of the 2nd set. It’s going smoothly so far.
An hour passed, another to go.
Enjoying, Duro? I am.


jane Says:

stu, I have watched Nole ardently since 2007; he does have a tendency to drop his level after the first set. But yeah, a self-admitted pessimist I am. I wish I wasn’t. It’d be less stressful. He’s gotten a break here and surprised me though. But I never relax during his matches anymore. Now it’s love- 30. Sigh It’s an exercise in tension. super man calls me “paranoid” probably rightly so.

grendel, I noticed that “seriousness” in La Monf too, but maybe it is to do with Gasquet? Hard to say. He shyly said in his on court interview “maybe I will win here one day.” The maybe takes some of the believe out of it, but it’s nice that he is saying it. God knows he’s got such talent; I mean he won 3 of the 4 slams as a junior.


i am it Says:

Is the break going back again?
Djoko better stop that double fault virus soon. Now, faces triple break points. Not good.


Ben Pronin Says:

I love how McEnroe is so bewildered by Djokovic’s 118mph second serves. I say keep going for it, but not at the expense of double faulting :D


stu Says:

i completely agree with jmac – he works awfully hard to get himself in a winning position, and then ruins it in an instant with double faults…


jane Says:

Just so you guys know, both Mardy and Nole have 3 double faults each.


i am it Says:

Djoko was able to overcome the 3 BPs. He is doing pretty good.


stu Says:

and one ace each


grendel Says:

Petchey just summed it up nicely I thought, when he said, “is Fish competitive in this match, yes. Is he effective, no. He’s got to do something to disturb Djokovic’s rhythm to have any real impact”


Duro Says:

i am it, I am, but it’s too early… Still cautious.


margot Says:

jane: one thing I have noticed at this Open is that when Djko’s in trouble he manages to raise his game. That’s a really good sign.
grendel: I thought that too about Monfils, which was interesting as one does think of him as a bit of a clown. Gasquet continues to infuriate, doesn’t he? Glass jaw syndrome.


Duro Says:

Now I breath easier… Outclassing.

Jane, if I don’t see an optimistic post now about this match outcome, I give up on you and consider you officially incurably pessimistic. In Novak we trust!


i am it Says:

This is a masterful demolition of Fish. I bow to Djoko. The fish is scorched in the oven, no longer edible.


margot Says:

Duro u crack me up, Novak’s “cruising” as Ben says and you’re still “cautious.”….try being an Andy M fan, blood, sweat and tears all the way..


i am it Says:

For the record, Fish has never recovered from 2 sets down and won a 5 setter.
That is a good news for Djoko.

Duro, good to hear your level of optimism is no longer cautious. Mine, too.


jane Says:

Can you believe all the lefties Fed’s met at this year’s U.S. Open?

One almost feels like the tennis gods are orchestrating a Fedal final at the US Open this year. Murray goes out in a shock defeat, and suddenly Nadal’s path looks quite good, quite clear actually; on the other side of the draw meanwhile, Federer has been practicing with lefties practically all the way through. Fate?


i am it Says:

Mardy mentally collapsed to lose 40-15 game early in the 3rd. Djoko just smiled from corner.


Duro Says:

Margot, are you kidding me? Do you think it’s other way around with Novak? He’s serving us with those “products” all the time.


jane Says:

Duro, I feel I can stop cleaning for the moment; how’s that? One double fault, though, and the vacuum comes out.


stu Says:

tennis lesson you say?


jane Says:

i am it, just never say “never” because you never know. There is a first time for everything. Let’s just wait until the match is done.


sar Says:

Jane and Duro, too many hotdogs and corn. :-)


margot Says:

jane: stopping cleaning?? Wow! That’s new confidence, good. Interesting what u said about Fedal..


margot Says:

AAHH!! I’m going to have to shoot myself..commentators have just mentioned Fish’s weight loss again…just in case I missed it the first one thousand times….:0


stu Says:

mary joe saying she “feels for” fish because he is losing even tho he went on a diet and lost 30 pounds?


Duro Says:

Not a flake left…


Tomislav Says:

Wow, such a boring game. Djoko is toying with Fish. Bring on Roger…


Ben Pronin Says:

I’ve always disliked Dick Enberg, but he is doing maybe one of his worst jobs ever this year. The number of mistakes he’s made is just ridiculous. It was funny at first, now it’s just getting annoying.


jane Says:

i am it, could you actually get a prediction wrong? So far you’ve been rocking in that department, right about everyone – Monfils, Youz, etc Well if you do get this one wrong I am happy to know that you’re happy to do so. : )

Can you give me your prediction for the blonde amazons coming up after this match? I am very curious about that one.


stu Says:

Duro, are we dreaming about Sunday yet?


sar Says:

I told you daytime would be better for Nole. :-)


stu Says:

jmac is such a diehard nole fan


jane Says:

sar, yes you did say that. And wow – has Nole found his serve? Good lord. I am almost jumping around!


i am it Says:

Jane, you keep that first time with you, says Fish. He does not like to break his record against Djoko. 6-0 H2H.


Duro Says:

Easy, stu…


Ben Pronin Says:

2 aces in a row for Djokovic, must be the first time all season.


i am it Says:

I meant 0-6.
This match was over long ago.


stu Says:

Completely outclassed!


jane Says:

And he’s coming to net and getting it over? Okay, this is one to truly celebrate: Fish wasn’t at his best, but Novak, Wow! I mean I am thrilled with that play today.

Congrats NOLE!! WOOOOOT!

Fish, a wonderful summer anyhow.

The commentators are cracking up over Fish metaphors. Losing it up there.


Tomislav Says:

As John said “It was a beating by Djokovic.” That was a pretty good beat-down. Like I said, bring on Roger (still not convinced Djoko can beat him though).


Duro Says:

Oh, boy… Feels orgasmic.


margot Says:

Well, I wouldn’t go that far…but well played Djko, well played indeed!


i am it Says:

Big congrats to Djoko for his easy win.

Congrats to all his fans, Duro, Sar, certified pessimist Jane, Ben, and others.

Certainly it was not stressful at all today to watch him play, not even for a minute. Thank you, Djoko.


OllyK Says:

Duro, Jane, sar and other Nole fans!!
Long time no see! I just wanted to say – WOOOOOW, this performance was absolutely fantastic. Nole almost didn’t use towel at all! :) Keep up with great work, falcon!! :)


Duro Says:

Ollyyyyyyy!!! Where were you, “traitor”!? Don’t leave us ever again! In Novak we trust!


i am it Says:

Jane, I am not that good with ladies, all my life. So no clue about the “blond amazons.”


Duro Says:

i am it, a hug for you! Thanks! Cheers, buddy!


OllyK Says:

I didn’t have much free time, Duro, that’s the only reason I went off. :) I won’t leave again, I promise. :) In Novak we trust!


i am it Says:

Million hugs back, Duro.
Pleasant day, indeed !!!


jane Says:

What I liked best, and what Nole himself acknowledged as key in the on-court interview, was his focus. He was like this during the Blake match as well. There was no negative body language, no getting down after a double fault or error. He just moved on. He was down love-30 even love 40 on his serve but he fought all that off with aplomb. That’s the way Novak has to play to be a contender. And what else was encouraging was that for the first time in a while, he seemed to play better, even serve better, toward the latter moments of the match. I know it takes two in any match, and Mardy certainly didn’t seem his best; he did not get in enough first serves, and while there were patches of his brilliant play, and good movement late in the first set and throughout the second set, Novak still earned this win. He pushed Mardy back, as i am it rightly said he needed to do, and Nole showed his uncanny ability to return and anticipate. So he quelled Mardy’s weapons. No doubt Mardy was tuckered out; he’s had a fab summer. I hope he allows himself an indulgent meal tonight! : ) As for Nole vs. Monfils, it will have to be more of the same from Novak. He will have to dictate and control to beat La Monf. He has a good H2H with him, but again their matches have always been very tight.


sar Says:

Fish metaphors. LOL fatiiqued fish, fried fish, filet o fish, floundering fish, fish out of water, whale of a summer, harpoons, etc. They’re bad.

I hope Fish and Knowles beat Bryans tonight so Fish can have a nice day.


jane Says:

i am it, okay – I have no idea on the blonde babes either. I think I’d like to see Sharapova come through. But it doesn’t matter to me too much either way.


sar Says:

Me too Jane. I’m not a fan of either but I’ll take Maria on this side. My fave Elena is gone.


jane Says:

sar, yeah, I was sad for Elena last night but she blew it. GGRRRR.


Wheeler Says:

Frankly, all Americans are all-service-and-mostly-no-game. Roddick, Fish, Isner, Querrey. Admit it or not, they have got no complete game.


mat4 Says:

Nole played great. For me, the keys of the match were the return and the passing shots. But, yes, Djoko showed a lot of focus and consistency.

Though, let’s admit too that Mardy’s results at this tournament so far were not so good: two five setters against players he should have beaten easily were not a good sign for this encounter.

Nole showed another thing: he’s raising the speed of his first serve from tournament to tournament. In this match, he made aces and winning serves every time it was necessary. But there is a lot of work to do.

It will be a very difficult match against LaMonf, and I think that the chances are even. But if Monfils expects gifts from Djoko like those he got from Gasquet, he will be disappointed.


grendel Says:

so the situation appears to be as follows (from my jaundiced perspective).

Nadal – straight into the final. Murray certainly might have taken him. All the rest are just practice fodder. Verdasco, for instance, is dangerous and Nadal knows that and will prepare on the assumption that Verdasco will be at his very best. Therefore, should they meet, he will beat him.

Djokovic is now back – actually, I think it was clear before, but it is now indisputable. He is quite a big favourite against Monfils – but Monfils, unlike Fish, can certainly disturb Nole’s rhythm, so if he is playing at the top of his form, he has a chance. Slim, but real.

Assume Soderling beats Montanes. Assume Federer beats Melzer – actually, a slightly dangerous assumption. Just because Melzer simply faded away like into the ether at Wimbie does not entail a repeat – rather the opposite. He is a sharp player with weapons on hard. But Fed should get thru.

Fed/Soderling? Can’t say. If Fed is firing, then he’ll win. He has beaten Soderling before when he was not firing. Those days are over.

Djokovic to beat Soderling. Federer slight favourite against Djokovic, but no surprise if Nole pulls through.

Nadal to beat Soderling in final.(definite). Nadal slight favourite against Nole – but, as with Fed, all to play for.

Nadal/ Federer: this is very interesting. Most neutrals and all Nadal fans don’t give Federer a chance, Nadal in his head and so on. I keep hoping, maybe at last Fed does himself justice against Nadal (no infantile melt downs in a given set,i.e.). If Nadal beats Fed fair and square – a Fed at the top of his form, that will be awesome. But if it’s the other way round – that too will be something to land in the history books.

It’s getting interesting…….


sar Says:

Like they said Fish playing a five set match against 32 year old Clement is a lot different than playing young number three.


jane Says:

Woz is such a strong counter-puncher, gets everything back, moves really well. Sharapova is the opposite, all out aggression, goes for the lines and quick kill. A match up of opposites.


madmax Says:

Jane and Sar, I’m contacting you through esp….:)

told you so!!!!!

congrats novak fans! Duro! you can talk! giving ollyk a hard time! where have YOU been?

Dont let von put you off, you know she tries to, so stay longer this time. just ignore her.
ollyk, great to see you again.

grendel, should there be a fed/rafa final – i believe that fed will win, those cobwebs have been blown away with annacone at the reigns now – look at the stats on hard court for roger – they have to be taken seriously.

I dont know why everyone is so worried- BUT there are 4 matches still to go!

Never underestimate any player! Melzer is next, focus is on that one.

Everyone talks about the 16 slams, 23 straight Slam semis and 18 of 19 finals. But his utter dominance at non clay Slams often get overlooked. Consider these streaks: (apart from the 41 hard court titles that he has got out of a current 63 titles! THAT’S super-amazing!

A. Won 11 of 12 non clay Grand Slams (2004-2007, won all but the 2005 Australian Open. That’s four years and winning all but one non clay Slam!)

B. Won 8 consecutive non clay Grand Slams (05 W-07 USO)

C. Went 12-0 in his first 12 non clay Grand Slam finals.

D. From 2004-present, has made the finals of 17 of 19 non clay Slam finals.

E. From 2004-2007, won 7 of 8 hardcourt Slams.

F. From 2004-present, has won 14 of 19 non clay Slams.

Now tell me who is the greatest on hard court?


super man Says:

good win for djoko. i still don’t think he will get by either of roger or rafa, but if they get taken out by someone, he can sneak out a uso. i doubt that will happen but as far as i know the usopen has never been awarded based on my opinion. (though i did predict a roger win the last 6yrs and have been right about 80% of the time. same with french and nadal – 5 out of 6 and fed and wimbledon – 6 out of 7, nadal and monte carlo, fed and halle – you get the idea ;)

margot – hugs to you. i was positive it was a murderer final, but andy did this. how about murderer @ 2011 sw19? murray winning his 1st gs? it’s more realistic than most people think.

for the moron who thinks fed is afraid or is a mental midget – think about this time last year, the mental giant had trouble buying one set against top10 players. guess he was using all the mental toughness to get himself thongs that don’t ride up his @$$


Kimo Says:

madmax, there is no question that Fed is the harcourt GOAT. I doubt even the most stubborn Rafa fans can deny that. :)


jane Says:

Thanks madmax : ) and also Hi to OllyK. It was a nice win for Nole. As you say madmax, it’s just one match at a time. But I am happy he’s made the quarter finals or better at all the slams this year, no early upsets, and if he goes to the semis, great! He’s equalled his points in that case.


blank Says:

Gotta love Sharapova’s toughness. Her and Serena are a class apart in that department. I just hate the squealing though.


Dan Martin Says:

A player can’t control his draw so if Nadal wins the event he will have earned it. 7 wins does it. I think Nole is looking solid. We shall see, but Rafa is the favorite in my mind. He was the favorite before the event started and I have not seen anything to change that perception yet. Also, Murray played an incredibly mentally weak match yesterday. While I don’t see Stan W. beating Rafa, if Murray is that likely to come unhinged at this time I can’t see him coming through his side of the draw even if he had won yesterday.


Kimberly Says:

Congrats to Nole and his supporters, he looked great! At this point I would say he is a serious contender for the tourney. Prob second or third fav.

Still exhausted from watching stosur, dementieva til 2am. Wozniaki Sharapova looks like a great match but feeling the need to work out. Will watch the night matches.


blank Says:

Hi jane – Congrats on Nole win!


jane Says:

Did you guys know that Monfils is France’s first quarter-finalist in a decade?


OllyK Says:

Thanks maxi from me, too! As I promised to duro, I’ll give my best to be here more often. Good luck to your guy today. I think it would be easy win for Fed, anyway. And I’m still expecting you to come in Dubai. :)

Hi, jane! I’m very happy that Nole reached qf, too. When draw was out I was affraid that he wouldn’t go this far. I’m so glad he proved me wrong. Now, I expect him to reach semis, AT LEAST…Ajde, Nole!!

Btw, DURO, are you coming to Belgrade for Davis cup? :)


Nina Says:

Nole impressed me, thrilled me today. He is just starting to look like the player of 07/08 again. He’s getting his serve back, his aggression back and his swagger back. All good signs that old Novak is back.
Also, don’t you think Nole looks much more calm and patient than before? Not getting angry so much, not letting frustration cloud his mind and judgement, not beating himself up all the time… When he was in a delicate situation like that in the second set where Mardy was about to break him (0-40) he was thinking clearly, coldly, selecting the best possible shots, confident about his serve, not letting the nerves out. I thought I saw a different Nole, old Nole. There were little signs before, but these last two matches have shown that Novak is indeed in his best form. Of course all this won’t account for anything if he loses against Monfils or Federer, but I’m happy that we get to see the best Nole back, the Nole I fell in love with, that beautiful and clean game that got me hooked. Bravo.

@grendel… I disagree. If Novak and Rafa meet in the final, I think Nole has the advantage there. He has crushed Nadal on hardcourts before, Nole is a bad match up for Rafa, worse than Roger is, i think. But that’s daydreaming, the final still too far.


blank Says:

Amazing defence by Wozniacki nets her the set.


jane Says:

Hey Blank, thanks. Good luck to Roger tonight, but I am pretty certain he’ll be able to blow by Melzer. Did you see the chocolate commerical? : ) Fed looks cute, “stripe search”. I had one of those chocolate bars last night while ruing Murray’s loss.

Woz has hit 4 winners to Maria’s 12, but also way less errors (and 2 more aces). I think she’ll come through over Maria, but Sharpie will fight until the last ball is struck.


jane Says:

@ Nina – ditto this indeed “. Of course all this won’t account for anything if he loses against Monfils or Federer, but I’m happy that we get to see the best Nole back, the Nole I fell in love with, that beautiful and clean game that got me hooked. Bravo.”


madmax Says:

Ollyk,

good to hear from you again – don’t stay away too long – okay?

Next year is a year for friends to meet up – for sure – it’s in my diary.

Kimo,

that was for FIA and Ivan who come on to scare monger. I just want to see some evidence from them, that’s all.

Super man – yes – some people have short memories, I think it was 11 losses to top ten players over a period of 11 months, but that was then and this is now. Rafa has improved, there is no doubt – as has Roger. It goes quiet when FIA and Ivan are requested to support with facts rather than hot air, they cannot argue a case.


blank Says:

Thanks jane. Tonight should be routine, I hope. For both Fed and Djoko, the fun begins at the quarter finals. This half of the draw is just brutal. Well, it at least appears so after Murray’s loss.

Yeah, I saw the commercial. Fed is such a bad actor. He is like a kid when he is acting…wants to be a bit serious, but always sports that smile all the time. But I can understand why the girls like the commercial more ;)

At the Rogers Cup, they were handing out free Lindt chocolates all the time, every day!


jane Says:

Say what you will about ladies tennis, but this match is fun to watch.


Nina Says:

Roger is super cute in that commercial. Love it.


jane Says:

Montanes is up a break over Soda pop. Their H2H is 2-1 for Soda. Just a little reporting.

Woz’s dress is rather brief isn’t it? It’s more like a long tunic or top; when she’s playing it rides up like Venus’ dress.


blank Says:

Wow! Montanes is up a break!


madmax Says:

oh blank!

Roger is delicious when he is acting! and it’s his opening line, when he says ‘hello’, like ‘halo’ – it’s crushingly lovely.

C’mon Roger, tonight! Only another hour and a half to go!

gannu, huh, super man, blank! I am it! Go Roger!


Kimo Says:

The Woz-Sharpie match is loooooooong. They’ve been on court for over an hour and a half and it’s only 3-3 in the 2nd set and the first set was only 6-3!!!


Kimo Says:

jane says:

“Woz’s dress is rather brief isn’t it? It’s more like a long tunic or top; when she’s playing it rides up like Venus’ dress.”

Nothing compares to Venus’s dresses this year. Shameless, just shameless.


funches Says:

Nadal does not have an easy draw. It’s inexplicable why people keep posting that.

Lopez won’t trouble him, but Verdasco or Ferrer will give him an unbelievable battle in the quarters. If he beats either one of those two easily, he’ll definitely have a chance to win the tournament. Verdasco has played incredibly well since his first-round struggle, and so has Ferrer, who would give Rafa almost no free points on his new powerful serve because his return is the best in the game.


Kimo Says:

funches, the story of Verdasco and Ferrer playing very well until they meet Rafa has been played out too many times for me to still believe they can still trouble him.


Duro Says:

Maxi, no one but Nole put me off from posting here, so don’t worry, it’s his fault, not anybody’s else.

I gave Olly a “hard time”, cause I saw her posting on TT and not here, so I just want her to be more regular. She knows that, of course.

Olly, I’m not sure about Davis Cup. I’ll leave it opened.

About today’s Novak performance, It wasn’t even near his best, but he showed determination, focus, clear game plan and efficiency. The truth is, Mardy played a terrible match, so when you put it all together the outcome was inevitable.

I expect Novak to use this win and improve his game and confidence a lot. If he goes past Monfills, I know he’ll play against Fed on a different level, so lets see what’s gonna happen. So far, so good.


jane Says:

Well at least Sharpie is making Woz serve it out. Man that Woz – how does she get everything back like that! She’s the Nadal of the WTA? Well maybe not as good as Rafa, but she plays clean (not many errors) and she stays in every rally making Maria hit shot after shot. It’s something to see! I understand why she was in the finals last year more clearly. Plus, on top of that, Woz has a good solid effective serve.

After losing the first set, Soda is up a break in the second set.


gannu Says:

Thanks madmax for all the encouragemet abt fed..hope he wins..

Meanwhile love sharapova for her attitude and toughness


jane Says:

Yep, Woz is a top contender; she’s convinced me of her quality. She’s a different kind of player, doesn’t “bash” the ball. She moves well, loves playing (which is obvious – look at the happiness radiate from her; it’s rather infectious!) and serves consistently. And she’s just 20.


Kimo Says:

jane, Woz is not the Rafa of the WTA. She’s its Murray.


Andrew Miller Says:

Wozniaki impresses. If she and Clijsters play again I hope Woz. wins this time.

Still hope Venus wins.

Fish really got smashed. Djokovic surprising – he really is good on all surfaces. He must have confidence in his game at the moment.


madmax Says:

duro, good. I’m glad. Glad that you are not fazed by some.

gannu, as always. but really, you should have more belief in Federer – i know it is because you want him to win all the time, but that goes for everyone’s favourite players – you win some, you lose some, but as a federer fan (you), you must be pleased with the way that he is playing right now – he is doing brilliantly, seems so self-assured and effortless – Just got to make sure he serves as well as he has been – and he will!

Federer has the variety in his game, am sure that he has done his plan for the match today – melzer seems confident that he can play well, and that is the way it should be –

C’mon Fed!

It must be such an exciting feeling walking onto that court, all those people watching you. The feeling must be like nothing else, mainly because the stadium is so big – it should give both players a lift.

Fed will do it, as long as he plays as well as he has been so far – I think Melzer is ranked 15? and has done really well in all the majors so far this year, reaching pretty much the business end of FO and wimby – so he has been working hard.

There is no reason though that Roger shouldn’t clinch this match – he is the best. So c’mon gannu!

and c’mon Fed!


Andrew Miller Says:

Gannu totally right about Verdasco only being able to meet Fed in final. Wonder if that’s where we’re heading? Rafa is hitting huge, but can the armada take down its captain?


Andrew Miller Says:

Querrey – the last yankee standing on the men’s side. Good luck Sam – you are going to need it!


dari Says:

Nole and wozniacki coming out impressive today!
Who is watching soderling? How did that set montanea got look?!


dari Says:

I could cheer for montanes, a little parting of the sea on fed’s side like berdy only on…


Dan Martin Says:

Funches I agree the draw talk is a little too much at times. Sure some draws open up and some don’t, but a player still has to play well. F-Lo beat Rafa at Queens Club right? Why not in Queen’s NY? I think nadal will beat F-Lo, but yeah a physical match in the quarters. Youzhny if healthy can trouble him. Sam Q. could bother him. I also agree Nole would be tough in the finals if that happens.


jane Says:

Dari, I was watching Woz vs. Sharapova so didn’t see the first set, although I had my eye on the scores. I am watching now, though, and Soda is now playing well. The announcers on my streaming say the reason Montanes won the first set is that Soda started slowly, sluggishly. But now, based on the last point I saw, Soda is even winning the long drawn out rallies. He just broke in the third.


jane Says:

I agree that Nadal’s draw is not “easy” and that you can play only who is in front of you. Nadal’s first two round opponents were tough contests: two big hard hitting and serving opponents, especially Istomin who also has variety. Simon didn’t put up much fight, and maybe F-Lo won’t either. But both Hotsauce or Ferrer could be tough, and as I said above, maybe even Sam.


Kimo Says:

Dan, jane:

I’m not saying if Rafa does win that his win would me meaningless because of his draw, but it IS an EASY draw.

And please don’t tell me you’re equating Soderling and Novak, Fed’s most likely opponents in the coming rounds, with F-Lo, Verdasco and Ferrer. Just don’t.


Duro Says:

Mardy on Novak: “He puts a lot of pressure on you with his movement. He’s probably — you know, he’s top, you know, 3 fastest guys as far as his movement is concerned on tour. It’s very hard to wrong foot him. It’s very hard to win a winner from the baseline. It’s very hard to get him sort of on defense. You know, you can’t really rely on much as far as a game plan against him. I mean, he returns so well. He can go through stretches where he can serve really well, too, serve as well as anyone. When he hits his spots on his serve and holds serve all the time, he’s always up there as far as breaking serve. He’s, you know, probably in the top 2 or 3 as far as return games won on tour. There’s just not many holes there to try to figure out. Clearly, I mean, his record speaks for itself. He will I’m sure in no time he will win more Grand Slams than he’s got now.”

Very classy statement. Mardy is a nice guy, for sure. I remembered some of his previous interviews, and those were all very fair and balanced. He’s a real sportsman.


fed is afraid Says:

how many easy draws has fed had through the years??
too many to count.


Ben Pronin Says:

I think, based on Fish’s statements, it goes to show just how well Djokovic is playing. He’s hitting the ball very well and that is DEFINITELY the first time someones praised his serve all year. And considering Fish is no slouch in the serving department, that’s gotta mean something.

That said, I am worried about his match with Monfils. Not that I think he’ll lose but it could be a very long match and leave Djoker somewhat drained in the next rounds.


Kimmi Says:

congrats to djoko fans. Great game, though i missed most of it.

And WOW! wozniacki. what defence she has. I think she will win this..she is looking the best i have seen her.

I have been skeptical about her game but this sharapova match makes me rethink things a little. I have to admit i did not give her a chance but she proved me wrong. She has a great chance of winning this..very consistent and will never let a ball pass her. congrats to wozniacki


super man Says:

how many easy draws has fed had through the years??
too many to count.

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really? you can count? you must be less retarded than your alter egos cindy brady and goats gal. congrats.


grendel Says:

Nina – “Nole is a bad match up for Rafa, worse than Roger is, i think.” Agreed. I think Nadal would prefer Federer for 2 reasons – 1) the prestige of winning a slam on his worst surface against its greatest practitioner. 2) He is more likely to beat Federer than Djokovic. There is a great deal at stake here for – well, for everyone involved, obviously, but in particular for Federer and Nadal. If Nadal wins (and against Fed, that will be the icing on the cake), and then takes the AO, he is the holder of all 4 slams concurrently. Personally, I think the whole GOAT thing is a nonsense, but I accept I am in minority here. For those believers in goatism, it will become extremely difficult to keep calling Federer the GOAT when Nadal holds all 4 slams. That is not particularly likely, mind, but nor is it particularly unlikely – which is a fairly extraordinary thought. On the other hand, if Federer beats Nadal, this will be a Federer past his prime beating a Nadal in his prime – it will hugely enhance his reputation. No more will people be able to talk about Fed’s slams as being somehow not quite up to par.

Nevertheless, Nina, I still think Nadal just takes Djokovic, despite Djokovic’s slight
superiority on the surface. Nadal’s mind, his greatest weapon, provides the edge, I think. Of course, there are still some buffoons who find reality a little hard to cope with, who want to deny Nadal’s extraordinary mental reilience. There’s always nonsense talked wherever you go – it adds to the gaiety of nations.

madmax – I fervently hope you’re right. Trouble is, I suffer from a peculiar malady known as janeism – nothing to do with the Indian religion, it’s all about a certain propensity to fear the worst is bound to happen…..

I thought the Woz/Sharpie match was terrific, if not quite a classic. Something really odd happened just after Sharpie doublefaulted 3 times in a row, and was in danger of going rapidly under. There was a ball which was not quite on her body, but was definitely (just) slightly to her right rather than left. But she opted to take it on the backhand. Now you’re always seeing players running around their backhands. First time I’ve seen someone run round their forehand. She won the point, too, and staged a minor comeback. It is telling, though, that Sharapova felt the need to do this; I believe she doesn’t welcome criticism of her forehand by mere plebs like us, or journos, or even possibly her peers. But it’s obvious her bh is much more secure than her fh – and that strange incident seems to indicate that she thinks so too. She really is going to have to address it if she wants to win any more slams. And of course come to terms with her nerves, which is what was responsible for all those double faults. On the plus side, she showed a certain willingness to mix it up, doing some delightful drop shots, and putting herself in the right position to execute finishing volleys.

I was most impressed by Woz, and think now only Clijsters can beat her and that only if her serve behaves itself. It didn’t in last year’s final, but Kim got away with it. She won’t get away with it this year. She’s really pretty formidable, this Wozniac – a modern incarnation of Chris Evert? Can’t wait to see her battling it out with Serena at the next slam.


Kimmi Says:

congrats to la monf too. love the guy and i am glad he is playing well.

I see soda pop is finding his range after a slow start. all serious business now!


Duro Says:

Ben, maximum in four. It should be in the evening hopefully.

Mardy praised Novak’s serve, but I think it sucks big time! If the serve was as it used to be I don’t think anyone could match his hard court abilities.

Technical flaws (whatever the reason is, because he had that serve once): He doesn’t toss the ball high enough, so he hits the net more often than he should, then he holds his racquet head down when tossing the ball (loses precious time and speed for the moment of impact) and he has an interrupted motion when serving. If he fixes that I don’t see any other problem in his game to prevent him from winning another Slam or two, especially on hard.


jane Says:

Duro, Thanks for posting that; it was classy of Mardy. Just after the Blake match, during his on-court interview with Mary Joe, Nole said Fish can play tennis at a top-five level. He came into this match very prepared, which shows, imo, how much he respects Mardy and how much he knew he’d have to bring to win. Yes, a great summer for Mardy; I hope he is not discouraged. He is playing doubles right now again the Bryans; it’s on serve, first set.


Ben Pronin Says:

Duro, it’s getting there. I agree he needs to get his arm up faster, but I don’t see the ball toss as too much of an issue.


jane Says:

grendel, please don’t name maladies after me; I have enough problems. Ha, ha, she laughs lamely.

Duro, agreed on the interrupted service motion; smoother would get him more power, but at least his placement was good today, per Mardy.


super man Says:

And considering Fish is no slouch in the serving department, that’s gotta mean something.

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that’s flawed analysis ben. it takes a good returner to identify a good server when they play a game. fish looked at djoko’s serve as a returner would. fish has no option but to praise novak as he just lost to him.

in truth mardy played the worst match of his summer. djoko’s draw has really eased out just as roddick’s and murray’s exploded in their face. fed’s has gotten tougher with soda and joker finding form and rafa’s eased out with berd , nalby and murray out. if he doesn’t make the final this year, he might never win again in new york. he could not have had an easier draw even if uncle toni hand-picked.


Ben Pronin Says:

Well, Djokovic outaced Fish 5-3. Does that mean anything?


gordon Says:

I am glad that Novak is in a good form. It was annoying today listening McEnroe (and others in studio) how he does not deserve his rankings, due to his results this year. For last three years Novak was criticized from every angle. The culmination was after his title in AUS 07. He was forced to change serve preparation. Remember how many were annoyed with his ball bouncing. Since then he tried to change his serve preparation and as result his serve become inconsistent.
I am hoping that this time he will find himself and others will let him be what he is, so he can completely focus on a game and NOT how to please the crowd.


Kimmi Says:

OK, zvonareva and petkovic.who to cheer for, go the underdog. She has a beautiful happy dance when she wins. lets see the happy dance petkovic!!


Duro Says:

Oh, and I forgot to mention his contact point when serving. Too low and the ball is falling down already when hit. Strange…

Good night, all. It’s been a pleasure.


jane Says:

Soda just hammered through.

Djoko has Monfils and then potentially Fed; that’s not easy, imo. Monfils is a streaky player; Nole will have to stay very focused if Gael gets on a roll. Fish didn’t play his best, I agree, but he has played Nole 5 times now, and a number of those matches were much closer than today, with Mardy winning some sets easily, which means he has returned better in the past versus Nole. Maybe it was a combination of slightly improved serving from Nole, placement-wise, and worse returning from Fish. It always takes two – in any match.


Kimo Says:

Petkovic has the backhand of Venus Williams.


Kimmi Says:

what a horrible match so far..got to pick up speed


Kimo Says:

Petkovic is extremely nervous.


super man Says:

i think monfils should upset djoko. it is only fair given that murray got upset though.

i think soda is a bigger danger to fedex than djokovic. as tsonga, melzer and berdych have shown, joker runs with his tail between his legs at the 1st sign of a serious fight. roddick confirmed this just a few weeks back, but people have forgotten that conveniently.

fish was fried 2days back against clement. 3aces really ? in 3 sets? that’s not fish of cincy. even serena would bang down more aces than that.


blank Says:

Looks like Fed-Melzer will take the court very shortly.


dari Says:

A couple of well-constructed points from zvonareva. Pleasant grunts from petkovic.


super man Says:

i think they should just ask serena venus kimmy justine and maria to join the atp and shut down this sad game called wta tennis. pathetic – even junior boys play better than this.

100% ball bashing 0% brain. that must be the caption for wta.


Kimberly Says:

the stosur match last night was quality and revived me interest in the WTA. today it has waned again. this isn’t pretty. At least fed fans won’t have to wait too long to see their man!


blank Says:

super man,

I am a WTA basher too. But today’s match between Wozniacki and Sharapova was top quality. Having said that, I just want this current match to be over soon. This does not deserve court play.


dari Says:

Man, just when I commented on a couple decent points!


super man Says:

this is for the old geezer that toots, rafa is mentally tough, like a twat :

get over it you twit. this is tennis not chess or bridge or scrabble. and you are not freud. just a senile trying to pass off as though you hold a phd thesis in psychology.


Marko Polo Says:

Jane, Duro, Sar, Stu, Ben and all the other (known and unknown) Nole fans, I admire your devotion to Nole!!!!!! I am a true fan indeed, but I don’t have the time to post more often. I follow his matches closely and celebrate all his wins and morn all his losses. He looked great today and I hope he will continue looking great… God knows he needs that!!!!! His up-coming matches are going to be brutal. Today I especially admired his focus and game plan. He should stick to his guns and fire along. His game is slowly coming back but I agree with Duro, his serve is still not there yet….. Fish was a tricky opponent, but still not in Fed and Nadal’s league so he is expected to perform at the highest level if he wants to go far, dare I say win the whole thing???? I was proud of him as I wrote him off when the draw came out(Shame on me for not sticking with: In Nole we trust and believing in it)!!!!! He should continue with the efficient streak and pick up his level when needed. He really impressed me in the 3rd with his net play….
On a different note, Margot, I really feel sorry for the Murray loss. A lot of people are very tough on him…. He is so talented and vulnerable, it’s not even funny, not to mention how talented he is….. When he lost last night, tennis lost, because he was the perfect opposition for the Nadal quarter……
Federer will complete his job the way he always does and will cruise easily to the semis. I hope Nole get past Monfils to pose as opposition. Another Fed final would be nice, but boring…… I look forward to a different scenario and hope that it will happen….. Nadal is on cruise control and hungry for his 1st US Open title!!!! He will face his spaniards and as usual will have his way with them…… Of course expected to make it to the finals…… A lot more to come, stay tunned and enjoy tennis. Cheers!!!!
For all Nole fans: In Nole we trust!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


jane Says:

super man “i think monfils should upset djoko. it is only fair given that murray got upset though.”

Still sad about Murray; I hope Nole doesn’t get upset, but Monfils can be tough. It depends with Gael. You never know. But it might happen, the upset you’re hoping for.

I disagree with you about Nole. He’s number three for three years running. Maybe what matters is consistency. Berdych may’ve won the semi in Wimbledon but he lost first round here. Tsonga, where’s he? Melzer is having the season of his life and he deserved the win at the FO, even pushed Rafa to a tiebreak, which didn’t happen in the finals. Then he won Wimbledon doubles. Now he is in R16 here. But Nole has reached at least the Quarter finals for 6 slams in a row now, and he has reached at least that far in 13 of the last 15 slams. So he must be doing something right. No, those are not Federer or Nadal like numbers. But no one else is as consistent as them. No one would dispute that.


Dan Martin Says:

I agree that Soderling and Nole is a tougher route to the final, but I have defended Fed when this charge has come up and will defend Rafa too – a player works through the draw that is there. Sure everyone gets some lucky and unlucky breaks over the years with the draw and I am sure any player would choose the top half over the bottom half as they stand after 4 rounds, but Rafa has no control over it. Generally the two finalists are good players in good form because winning 6 three out of five matches is never easy. If Rafa is in the final vs. Fed, Nole or Soderling it will be a tough match.


jane Says:

Blank @ 8:00 pm – agreed! The earlier match was fun, but this is a wash out.


super man Says:

blank :

good by wta standards and junior tennis. sharapova was a shadow of herself, but herself and carolyn can join atp. how high do you think they would make?

stosur and demented one put on an all time classical choke fest of a match they had what 15 service breaks? that makes me cry. serve is the only shot you control in tennis. that is tennis 101. you would never know that if you watched wta. they want equal pay but they want a tour of their own.


blank Says:

Is there anyone out there that can be considered a serious threat to Nadal…tough enough to beat him over 5 sets? Well, Murray is one on hard courts, but he got taken out. The way Rafa is playing, I think he is the absolute favourite against everyone remaining.

Fed is stronger on hard courts and they haven’t played in a long time on this surface. But when considering a Fed-Rafa matchup, surface doesn’t really matter anymore, does it?


jane Says:

blank, I’d say Fed is still the favorite on hard courts versus Nadal. If that final happens, I think Fed has the edge; he’s a 5 time champ and Nadal has never made the finals. So yes, surface matters I should think. If the match goes long however, then perhaps the odds shift. That is just my opinion of course; I am sure others see it differently.


Dan Martin Says:

Blank as of now I think Rafa is the favorite but Nole looks to be the form horse of the tournament since round 1 ended


super man Says:

If Rafa is in the final vs. Fed, Nole or Soderling it will be a tough match.

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dan you really believe that? tell me a slam final not involving fed that went 5sets? the last 5setter slam final without roger is gaudio-coria.


blank Says:

super man,

Almost all of them look cute ;) Other than that, I don’t have anything else good to say to defend the girls tennis :)

I just look back fondly to the days of Graf, Seles, Arantxa, Hingis…and hope things will change one day.


Dan Martin Says:

Super Man I should amend that to it could be a tough match


Dan Martin Says:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cDAq5tyfk9E – to paraphrase – if you want to crown him then crown his a$$ – I think various players will take the court and make someone earn the title


blank Says:

jane,

Fed was a 4 or 5 time champ at Wimbledon too, a supposedly faster surface. Fed has lost the last 3 slam finals against Rafa. In last year’s AO, I just consider that a 5th set meltdown. In their matchups, so far Rafa has been winning the mental battle. Fed has to prove it’s not the case one for me to believe it.

Dan,

Djoko better be in form. Granted he hasn’t played Rafa in a slam in a long time. But he is yet to win in 3 tries.


stu Says:

“i think soda is a bigger danger to fedex than djokovic.”

that’s interesting, superman. how do you explain sodas 0-6 h2h against fed on hard courts, compared to nole’s 4-12(2-3 since 09)?


super man Says:

jane :

joker’s consistency is his enemy. he is 0-4 against nadal and 1-4 against roger in slams. you know what that 1victory was. it was in dubious conditions. you can contest that but be true to your heart and ask yourself – would novak have beaten fed or nadal when they play like they did in 08 wimbledon 09 melbourne or fed/delpo in 09 new york .

3 out of 5, i don’t think novak can do it against roger or rafa. this time he most likely have to go through both. has anyone other than soda or delpo beaten both fed and rafa in a slam in their career? maybe hewitt.


jane Says:

Blank, I understand what you’re saying; however, remember that Nadal only beat Fed at Wimbledon in the third final. The first one was pretty one-sided, though Rafa did take a set; the second one was very close, a classic; the third one was very close, a classic. So if they meet here, where Fed is clearly comfortable and at his best (remember in 2008, a tough year, this was the slam Fed still won), I believe the edge goes to Roger. Fed’s never been as consistent at the AO: that’s where Safin, Nole and Rafa all beat him. Given all that context, I would pick Fed if that Fedal final happens. I feel like fast hard courts are now Fed’s best surface. But it would be close because when Rafa sets his mind to something, well, you know! He usually achieves it. So a slight edge to Fed?


Marko Polo Says:

Blank: I hope Nole and Rafa both get to the finals and I hope Nole takes it……. But still a lot more tennis to be played before that… So I would not jump to any conclusions. Still, I agree with Jane, Fed is a favorite against Rafa on this surface and surface does matter…. I love Rafa but he is not at the Fed level on fast HC. If Nole gets to Fed and wins (that will be one of the bigges wins of his career), it will be on Nole’s racket to win or loose.


jane Says:

super man, ” he is 0-4 against nadal and 1-4 against roger in slams. you know what that 1victory was.”

Okay, but who isn’t!? LOL. I mean, lots of players lose to these two in the slams consistently, right? They OWN the slams!! Who has a much better record than what you’re saying about Nole? Maybe Soderling, as he has 1 against both of them. Maybe Delpo, because he has 1 against both of them. But that’s it. And Nole’s played Rafa 3 times at RG; what’s Fed’s record against Rafa there? Come on super man. I am not saying Nole is “great,” like Fed or Rafa; I am only saying he’s consistently been at the very top for 3 years, and he consistently goes deep in slams. He’s consistently very good. Do I want him to do better and be great? You’d better believe it!!! But at least he is in there trying and he puts himself in the position to have those H2Hs at the slams.


stu Says:

I meant 4-8 for the novak-roger h2h or 4/12 of course! Dilutes my point a bit when I get the numbers mixed up!


blank Says:

As a Fed fan I hope he wins. Fed is unbeatable as long as he is not beaten. And that is changing fast this year. But he is getting older and is not as sharp as he used to look before while the others are in their prime. So I’d cut him a lot of slack.

jane, Rafa did take the 3rd set in Wim’07.


blank Says:

Correction jane: I mis-read your post. Sorry.


super man Says:

stu, since 09 – how many 5set matches has djoko won against fedal? 0

soda has 2. look at 09 uso who gave fed the toughest match before final – not djokovic. he literally bent over for the king of the queens.

the answer is soda.


stu Says:

“puts himself in the position to have those H2Hs at the slams.”

exactly! This is what an article in the wall st journal talks about – this is the longest standing top 3 since the late 80s! Sure that’s a great statistic in itself, but think of the newcomer in the trio – the #3. How hard must it be to break the Roger-rafa stronghold when they’re both at, or close to, top form?


blank Says:

The top 4 all have the game to beat each other. It’s the battle between the heads that makes a difference to the outcome.


dari Says:

Goooo Roger!


jane Says:

Soda took 16 games off Fed last year at the USO (0, 3, 7, and 6 – i.e, he won a tiebreak). Nole took 16 games off Fed last year at the USO (6, 5, 5, i.e., he lost a tiebreak). Those were close matches. Nole kept it close all the way through but lost; Soda started slowly and then built momentum.


super man Says:

fed’s looking dandy. iam tempted to pencil in fedal final but last time i did that fed steam rolled melzer and lost a tall ball-bashing dude. ;)


stu Says:

That’s an unfair manipulation of stats! Soda and fed have played 4 gs matches since 09. Nole and fed: 1, which he lost of course. 2009-10 were arguably novaks worst years (and sodas best?). Of course, only time will tell.


Daniel Says:

So far so good. Fed didn’t dro a single point on serve!


jane Says:

Soda is 1-5 versus Fed in slams; and he’s 1-5 versus Nadal in slams. 2-10 in slams versus Fedal. Nole is 1-8 versus Fedal. So it’s pretty close. As stu says, time will tell. Delpotro is newer to the conversation but he is 1-1 versus Rafa and 1-4 versus Fed, so he’s 2-5 thus far and has the better record. We need to see how he comes back swinging but there’s no doubt he’s got mental strength and mega-power.


super man Says:

jane & stu :

in fedal era it is not surfaces that matter as much as whether it is 3 out of 5 or 2 out of 3. novak is a great number 3 but he has hardly shown he can beat fedal at slams. compare that to soda who pushed nadal to 5sets in 07wimbledon, beat rafa and fed in paris. won a set against fed in uso, rafa @ wimby, makes me think soda is a more dangerous 5set player against fedal than djoko.


jane Says:

super man, what matters is the end result not whether he pushes them. Soda is 2 for 10, Nole 1 for 8. Nole’s take a set off Fed at the USO too. It’s just this – for anyone – Rafa and Fed are the toughest outs at slams, ever. Never in the history of this sport have two players dominated the slams like this.


super man Says:

and the winner is stu @ 907 :

2009-10 were arguably novaks worst years (and sodas best?).

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exactly my point. this is still 2010, no? novak has been worse than soda last 2yrs in slams against fedal.


Kimo Says:

Fed looking great. Melzer earned the break but Fed didn’t let him run away with it.


jane Says:

super man “novak has been worse than soda last 2yrs in slams against fedal.” But this point is moot. As stu points out, in the last two years (09-10), Nole has not MET Fedal in slams as much as Soda; he hasn’t even played them in 09-10, except at the USO last year versus Fed. Soda has met them more -and earlier – because his ranking has been lower than Nole’s, and he has been rising up since he upset Nadal last year. So he’s been meeting them in the 4th round, or the quarters, whereas Nole or Murray can only meet them in the semis. He can’t beat them if he doesn’t play them! And maybe he won’t beat them if he does. But the match has to happen before you can make the comparisons you are. Otherwise, you have to look at the overall H2H throughout all the times they’ve played.


super man Says:

jane :

i don’t see why roger or rafa would be more worried about novak in a slam than soda. you think novak can handle the physicality of a match up with fedal?
i can’t see it. soda has shown me he can. delpo too. even murray who beat rafa twice in slams since 08. he is 2-4 against fedal.


skeezerweezer Says:

“fed is afraid Says:

how many easy draws has fed had through the years??
too many to count.”

So stupid it is hilarious, LOL

A Rafa fan continues to whine, good thing there are actually really cool Rafa fans out there, but as for you, you’re in a league all by yourself


Kimo Says:

Oh no!!! Gwen is there!!!


jane Says:

Perhaps it would be best to wait and see. As I say, Delpo may be the guy who breaks through, or even Soderling here? I wouldn’t be surprised as they’re both great players. And it true that Novak has lost his way since 08, but hopefully he’s coming around (hold breath).

Speaking of coming around, that was a good hold by Fed there.


stu Says:

It’s all a matter of perspective, superman. Some of us believe that Novak might have played his way back to something close to his top form. There is no way to tell for sure until he plays a top player. If you want to win a discussion based on technicalities, I agree – In 2009, 1/4 >> 0/1. The top tier in tennis is getting interesting, that’s for sure.


jane Says:

Ditto stu. No one is disputing that Nole hasn’t played his best in the last year and a half, but he is still getting to the Quarters at least in the slams, and he’s still near the top. That was my point earlier. I don’t know if he’s found his way or not so we have to wait.

Kimo “Oh no!!! Gwen is there!!!” LOL.


Dan Martin Says:

Novak from Oz through Indian Wells in 08 was the top guy – not easy to maintain, but I do think he can win more majors


David Says:

I don’t understand the argument that Rafa has a great chance to win the tournament if he can only reach the final.

With Murray and Berdych out, Nadal’s chances of making the final have clearly improved. But his chances of winning the round of 16, quarters and semis are all much, much greater than his chance of winning the final.

Why? For the simple reason that he would almost certainly be playing Federer in that match, arguably the greatest U.S. Open player of all time in that match.


Blah Says:

I just want djokovic to take out monfils. Nothing personal…


super man Says:

stu and jane :

we are in the same book now. if fed gets there and beats novak, maybe you guys will come to my page. ;) if novak wins, i will meet you guys on your page.


stu Says:

We’re wearing our optimistic hats tonight, jane? :)


Dan Martin Says:

I am a bit worried about Murray’s future. He is 6’3″, built like a greyhound, has great feel, returns exceptionally well and yet something seems off for him. I think he can win majors, but at this point his best option may be to see the Canadian Open get elevated to slam status.


kimberly Says:

Melzer is trying his best bit the writing is on the wall here. He doesn’t have the goods to beat fed.


jane Says:

stu, how odd?! : )


Andrew Miller Says:

Melzer teeing off on Federer’s 2nd serve – it’s a good tactic. He may not be the player to take advantage of the tactic, but other players with big returns and better games who are lefthanded (Verdasco/Nadal) should take notice.


blah Says:

hope they will put fed-sod on night match. That should be fun.


jane Says:

Agrred Kimberly.

Dan, don’t worry. I think Murray will do it. Perhaps when people least expect it.


super man Says:

dan :

you could say the same for djoko. except for him it is dubai instead of canadian :)


blah Says:

I still say that murray’s best shot is at wimby. Not that many players know how to play grass.


jane Says:

I agree Blah; I’ve always said that Murray’s best shot is Wimbledon. Of course Nole already won a slam, which super man forgets.


Kimmi Says:

hmmm, melzer playing very well today. he is also going for broke on fed second serve. this set is all to play for.

C’mon fed


blank Says:

Dan @ 9:48. LOL

Yes, elevate Canadian open to slam status, keep it to 3 sets and don’t tell the other players until the end, after Murray had won :)


kimberly Says:

I think novak has a much better attitude than murray. He never seems thoroughly defeated like murray did at his presser.


Andrew Miller Says:

Dan – that was a classic line about elevating Canada to slam status! I am not sure if Murray can pull off the slam: if he does it he does it. At this point he’s made it to more slam finals than Djokovic and importantly, seems to have Nadal’s number on the slams at hardcourts. Counts for something.


super man Says:

jane :

murray will end up with more slams than djoko. wait and see.


jane Says:

Melzer could take some pace off occasionally, mix it up a little more like he was on the clay. So far, he’s mainly hitting hard. I think Fed likes that. I don’t mean on serve, I mean in rallies.


blah Says:

yeah, you could almost say Murray outplayed Nadal in this year’s wimby. If the top two slips in one of the wimbledons, I think he’ll get his first slam there.


Andrew Miller Says:

Whoops. My bad. Murray’s made it to an identical number of slam finals and the same slam finals as Djokovic.


jane Says:

super man, you may be right and I hope Murray starts wracking them up! I will be thrilled for Muzza as he’s my other favourite.


Kimmi Says:

crunch time..no breaks yet. are we going to have a tie break?


Andrew Miller Says:

As Kimmi said, Melzer is slamming Fed’s 2nd serve. I think it may work for other players in the draw if they have those looks at 2nd serves. However, it might be the night thing – Federer’s vision at night, for whatever reasons, isnt the same as the day.


Andrew Miller Says:

Fed also looks a little tired. May be that he’s a father to twins that does it!


super man Says:

andrew :

they both made only 2slam finals.

p.s watch out for stu and jane to pounce on you for that. lol


blah Says:

One of the biggest things that separate fed and nadal from djokovic and murray is that Fed and Nadal rarely gets upset early in slams. With the exception of USO, Djokovic has lost to inferior players in slams, and I didn’t see the wawrinka murray match so I was a bit confused as to why Murray lost to someone who’s not a big hitter.


Andrew Miller Says:

If any reason for the Murray loss, it’s Pete Lundgren, former coach to Federer, Safin, Rios and others. The guy must be a good coach and Wawrinka is lucky to have him in his ear.


Kimmi Says:

oh no..tie breaker coming…


jane Says:

That was a nice and brave play at 15-30, coming in. Melzer is actually pretty good up there at the net. Maybe the doubles play helps in that regard. Quite a few “go Melzer’s” from the crowd.


David Says:

Andrew

I seriously doubt Federer is tired. If he is, that would be probably the second time in his career that he is (2005 Masters Cup final being the other).


super man Says:

jane – what about stu then ? are you leaving stu out in the cold to support djoko with lesser slams? lol


jane Says:

blah, it’s true that at the FO Djok has had some surprising losses (Melzer and Kohls), but losing to Tsonga at the AO, a former finalist there, or Berdych at Wimbledon, who’d just beaten Fed, or Safin at Wimbledon, who got to the semis that year, aren’t, imo, bad losses.


Andrew Miller Says:

Fed’s looking a little like the AO final vs. Murray: unreal placement, making use of superior knowledge of the tennis court to unravel the opponent.


jane Says:

super man, I have no idea what you mean at 10:07?


David Says:

Jane

Imo, Delpo is the guy who could win multiple majors in the coming years. I see a lot more potential in him than in either Murray or Djoko.


kimberly Says:

Re: murray vm fed slam wins

A lot depends on novaks health. I think novak can do what it takes to win and not resort to passive tennis more easily. I see them as very comparable players. But fedal will not dominate forever and someone else is going to start winning slams. So who will it be. Take out RG for four years. That’s rafas. Even give wimby to the fedal duo for four years. Give fed 2 hardcourts in two years. Give rafa two hard courts in four years.leaves four titles? Delpo, murray, djoko, soda, berdych? I would take nole first.


super man Says:

fed’s backhand is crisp as a wafer. crunch crunch crunch


Andrew Miller Says:

Melzer staying tough.


blah Says:

Jane- I think (I might not remember correctly) that he was up on tsonga and had a good chance to finish him, and I remember him having a bad serving day against safin (but I’ll excuse him for wimby losses anyway, as I think that his worst slam.) If he plays like he did against Fish today, I really can’t see him failing to reach semis at 3 slams. Anyway, would like to see him in slam finals again, although I feel bad for him being eliminated at uso by fed the last three years.

Melzer putting up a good fight here.


jane Says:

David, yes, Delpo is something special, as he’s super powerful, for a big guy he moves well, and on top of that, he’s seems mentally cool, and quite confident. I could see him breaking through, as I mentioned above. One thing to watch with him is injuries. Before this wrist, he had back problems for a while there. So that could trouble him. Hard to say.


sar Says:

Q. She had like 36 unforced errors to your 10, 9 double faults. Do you think she kind of gave a lot of the match to you, it would have been a tougher match if she didn’t make all those errors?

CAROLINE WOZNIACKI: Uhm, no. I felt like, you know, I was playing good tennis. I felt like, you know, I was playing well out there. ***I made her do those errors,**** and I’m really happy to be through and that I won this match.


blah Says:

poor Melzer.


Kimo Says:

That set was TIGHT. Melzer was unlucky, TBH.


kimberly Says:

I would take nole. Who knows what shape delpo will return in. If he will really be the same player? Nole has been consistent. I’m a rafa fan but I appreciate his competitveness. (And he’s rafas friend :-)


Andrew Miller Says:

Yep. Federer is excited.


dari Says:

What a lucky duck on that net cord. LOVE that big C’MON, rog!


Andrew Miller Says:

Melzer unlucky in the Derek Rostagno tradition.


Andrew Miller Says:

1st set 27 minutes; 2nd set, 54 minutes.


David Says:

Kimberly,

Let’s not get ahead of ourselves here. You’re giving Rafa 4 more French Opens starting now, in other words 2011-2014?!?!?

That’s possible, but to call it a certainty is ridiculous. I’m just hoping he can get 7 and be the clear-cut clay goat.


zinaldo Says:

Federer ain’t winning the us open if he has to play nadal in the final,that is for sure for me,nadal is pretty much the only player who actually makes federer nervous and uncomfortable whenever they play and seeing how melzer lefty serve has bothered roger at times,you can only imagine what a motivated and hungry lefty serve of rafa would do.


Andrew Miller Says:

Rafa is definitely the clay goat.


super man Says:

jane :

i meant if you support murray, stu will be stuck with djoko. i was joking.

fedz grinning like a cheshire cat that snuck out the steak after that net chord gave him the point


Andrew Miller Says:

Rafa’s serve better than Melzer or Verdasco? I am not sure of that. His movement and shot selection, certainly, and knowledge of tennis, unquestionably, as well as attitude; but I dont think Rafa’s serve will pose more issues than Melzer’s. Rafa’s toughness certainly will.


Andrew Miller Says:

I actually have no idea how Federer would beat Nadal at the US Open. From Federer’s play thus far I would wager it would not happen. Day of the match you never know.


David Says:

Andrew,

Not when Borg still has more French Opens. I know the game has changed dramatically since then in terms of racquet technology, but we can’t hold that against Borg. He dominated his competition on clay just as much as Rafa does.


jane Says:

Kimberly “Nole has been consistent. I’m a rafa fan but I appreciate his competitveness. (And he’s rafas friend :-)” Yes, he has and yes he is.

Andrew Miller “Rafa is definitely the clay goat.” I don’t know about goats,and I think Borg is one up (or tied?) in FO wins but Rafa’s domination of the surface has been amazing.


Kimo Says:

Gwen sees herself on the screen, then starts to applaud with everyone else.

Seriously Gwen if you don’t wanna come, just don’t come!!! It’s that simple.


blah Says:

Nadal’s serve is certainly very effective when playing Federer. 90% or more high kicking serves to his backhand. Fed still has to beat Soderling, who is great in qfs, and I think Verdasco could be dangerous for Nadal.


Kimmi Says:

I was too nervous to watch that tight tie breaker..have to rewind my PVR.

melzer with early break. C;mon rog 3 break back point

2 left.


jane Says:

super man, “i meant if you support murray, stu will be stuck with djoko. i was joking.” Oh. Ha ha. I think stu will be okay. Well, I will continue to support both of them actually. I like a lot of players and will be happy to see any number of them win a slam or two.

Good set from Melzer, but Fed’s at home here.

See Kimo – Gwen isn’t a jinx.


David Says:

I’d love to see Rafa win the tournament, no matter who he might play in the final. But no way is he the favorite against Roger on this surface.

I see this tournament setting up as a big revenge victory for Roger in the final. Getting payback for both Wimby 08 and AO 09.


i am it Says:

Madmax and Fed fans,
Apart from serve, Fed has played the first four rounds of the USO better this year than in those same rounds in 2008 and 2009.
I can statistically back this up (aces, break conversions, return points won, UEs, winners, net approaches, break points saved, and sets lost).


Kimmi Says:

read the drpo shot this time.


zinaldo Says:

Rafa serve does trouble roger because even on second serve all he ever does is chip in back in,the serve is one of the main reason nadal has or will always have a chance against roger,yes his toughness and determination and his speed are also important but if rafa wasn’t left handed i can tell you he would have never won as many slams as he has but also never really been able to defeat roger the way he has.


Andrew Miller Says:

Borg certainly up on Nadal in the clay goat discussion. Nadal’s dominance nonetheless is pretty sick! I thought Muster’s dominance on clay was unreal. But Muster is not anywhere near the challenge of Nadal on a clay court – and probably not the challenge of Gustavo Kuerten on clay either.


Andrew Miller Says:

Delpo beat Roger – he’s not a lefty :)


skeezerweezer Says:

Yes, Borg GOAT on clay, no doubt.

All trashing aside, it would be a HUGE upset if #1 seed and #1 current world holder doesn’t win. He is a shoe in. He hasn’t lost his service game yet has he?


kimberly Says:

David….I’m counting slams realistically up for grabs in next four years. If rafa stays healthy he should run the clay court slam for those years.there really isn’t anyone near his level. He can win RG playing his B game (which he did this year without dropping a set). Murray wouldn’t really be a contender at rg anyway, rafa or no rafa.


Andrew Miller Says:

Delpo more than anything in last year’s US Open surprised Federer and I think broke his spirit a bit in the final sets.


zinaldo Says:

To me is not about roger being favourite he can be as much as he wants but the problem is that roger would rather not play rafa whereas nadal doesn’t mind playing him and he always sees him as a challenge whereas roger sees rafa as a bother who is there to make his backhand worse than it is.

Rafa makes roger vulnerable whereas roger makes rafa motivated to do even better than he could ever dream of.


Kimo Says:

jane said:

“See Kimo – Gwen isn’t a jinx.”

Believe what you want, jane, but let’s just say I believe that had Gwen not shown up in Roger’s matches, Roger would be chasing his 19th slam right now.


David Says:

skeezer

Fed’s been as great at the U.S. Open as Rafa has been at the French.

If it would be a huge upset for Fed to beat Rafa in this final, then it also was a huge upset for Rafa to beat Fed at the 08 FO final. After all, Roger was the No. 1 seed.


zinaldo Says:

Del potro beat roger because roger wanted to play the game of who has the bigger forehand whereas at the start he was teaching him a lesson with his variety and drop shots,he then started attacking del potro forehand which is criminal and that is why he lost.


Kimmi Says:

hmmm melzer attacking here..rog concentrate


blank Says:

Federer getting wilder.


kimberly Says:

Skeezer—i don’t think rafa is the fav for this tourney. Fed is, with rafa and nole behind him. Rafas never played a final here. It would be HUGE for him to win here but not sure its possible. Even as a die hard rafa fan I acknowlege he is much more beatable on HC than other surfaces.

I think in the next four years he will pull out two HC slams. Hopefully one will be USO. Wouldn’t it just be too easy if he completes the career grand slam at 24 woth no pain and suffering?


David Says:

zinaldo

I just don’t think the ball gets up high enough on this surface. In a potential match-up between those two in the final, Fed would probably hit his backhand more like he did in the 07 Masters Cup semis.


zinaldo Says:

Consistency is why nadal will win if they meet,roger just doesn’t have it anymore even his money shot the forehand is now error prone.


David Says:

Zinaldo

Fed also served terribly in last year’s final. I don’t know what the exact percentage was, but it was far below the norm for him.


Kimmi Says:

how many break chances is he giving melzer

second serve..oh noo! lucky


Dan Martin Says:

Jurgen “Tuna” Melzer is playing still fighting.


zinaldo Says:

But that was in 2007 and then roger was on fire but remember nadal could beat roger in his prime on this surface like in dubai and stuff and he did beat him in australia


super man Says:

” but if rafa wasn’t left handed i can tell you he would have never won as many slams as he has but also never really been able to defeat roger the way he has. ”

———————

very true. any lefty who has played with a righty will tell you being lefty is an advantage. itis a different ball game playing a lefty. true for most games (except chess, bridge, scrabble…. lol)


Kimmi Says:

what a shot


Kimmi Says:

phew..gets out of it


jane Says:

This is the first match Fed’s played at the USO this year during which I’ve felt the opponent has had maybe a slight chance to take a set from him. With Nadal on the other hand it seemed like in both the first and second round encounters he could’ve lost a set. But not against Simon. With Nole, he already lost 2 sets in the first round and was very nearly dumped out, ha ha. And since then both Blake and Petz had chances to take a set. So yeah, not liking Nole’s chances to stage a coup, bloody or not! It’s looking more and more like a Fedal final every day to me.


Dan Martin Says:

Who is the best chess player on tour? Tipsy?


zinaldo Says:

I would just say that nadal matches too well to roger it is as if he is the anti roger in some ways
To me whenever roger sees rafa he just never seems to be himself even in those 2 amazing wins of 3 amazing wins of his on hard court against rafa,he always had them what a f moment but recovered or nadal just went away too quickly.

Give roger wawrinka or gasquet backhand and i would say he is going to beat nadal because he would then take away rafa entire game plan.


kimberly Says:

Kudos to jurgen at least for trying his best to compete. As I said the writing is on the wall but at least its nice to see somewhat competitive tennis.


Dan Martin Says:

I do hear Gilles Simon plays a mean game of chess


zinaldo Says:

Another thing i hate with roger now days is how lazy he seems on some shots,even if all it takes is to move his feet,he doesn’t even want to do that as if he still can do things like in his prime.

That is where rafa is better,maybe because he feels he is less talented so he has to really give it his all and doesn’t laze around on even the easiest of shots.


jane Says:

Have to get ready for work/school tomorrow and this is over. Congrats to Fed and fans!


super man Says:

i remember fed was down 0-30 @ 4-4 in the 1st set in 2007 masters against rafa and he banged 4 consecutive aces. rafa won 1 game in that match after that.


Kimo Says:

Luke Jensen says Roger’s sister is expecting twins.

Now if having twins runs in Roger’s family, fifty years from now half the pros on the tour might be named Federer. LOL.


Kimmi Says:

another break back point..fed c’mon


zinaldo Says:

Soderling blew roger off the court at the slow french open court so imagine what he could do on this faster surface.


Kimmi Says:

jane – fed has not won yet and he is facing a break point


Kimo Says:

zinaldo said:

“That is where rafa is better,maybe because he feels he is less talented so he has to really give it his all and doesn’t laze around on even the easiest of shots.”

Well, call me when Rafa is no.2 in the world at 29 years of age.


Kimmi Says:

its great that fed is able to serve these break points. but he should not do that too much..some top players will take these chances


zinaldo Says:

I actually see rafa being able to do just because of his pure willingness to fight,to me if roger doesn’t make a semi final next year in the slam then he would be gone by the end of the year.


Kimo Says:

zinaldo said:

“Soderling blew roger off the court at the slow french open court so imagine what he could do on this faster surface.”

Well, the difference is that in the US Open, Roger can blow Soda off the court too. On the damp slow courts of RG, Soda can hit through Roger but not the other way around.


Ike Says:

zinaldo

i hope that wud be true (re. Soda vs. Fed), but u cud interpret it opposite, slow FO courts gave Soda the time to set up his big FHs, u know what i mean?


David Says:

I think the slower the conditions the better for Soderling. He’s got great power and can hit through the court no matter how slow it is. And if conditions are slow, it’s easier for him to get his big body into position for shots.

Federer’s so much more agile and mobile, so on fast courts, when you have to move very quickly side to side to react to big shots, he’s got the big edge over Sod. Also fast conditions favor the “talent” player with great hands.

Bottom line: it should be a pretty comfortable win for Roger. Maybe Sod can get a set like last year, but that’s it.


Ike Says:

kimo

we r on the same page, but still i won’t write off Soda, he has never beaten Fed on Hard courts, (basically, he has beaten Fed only ones in his career & that was FO), there is first time for everything, but i don’t think he has the game to beat Fed in USO


super man Says:

when fed plays like this, it’s poetry in motion. he makes it all look so darn easy. that’s the stuff of genius – like jordan, phelps, bolt , zidane.


Ike Says:

David

unfortunately i have to agree with u on Soda vs. Fed


zinaldo Says:

So why didn’t roger as well go for his big shots then,roger problems only comes when he is passive a bit like murray waiting for his opponents to beat themselves or hand him free points and that is why he is losing a lot more matches now days.

You just have to see his break points conversion,which is truly pathetic as he is playing like he is hoping for a freebie whereas roger in his prime would be out there to break you.


Kimmi Says:

wow..great defense on the 15-0 point. Melzer wacking the ball as much as he can


David Says:

Zinaldo

Watching this match makes you think Fed is near retirement!?!?

It looks to me more like a player who will comfortably reach his goal of 20 Slams. Maybe after that he can go after Margaret Court’s record.


Ike Says:

super man

unfortunately i have to agree with u re. Fed


Kimmi Says:

helloooooo! great to rog like this. Love it.


Ike Says:

David

i like that expression

!?!?


Kimo Says:

Good night everyone.


zinaldo Says:

All i am going to say is that roger better hope he doesn’t have to play rafa in either of the finals he makes from now on as rafa has proven that he has the edge on wherever surfaces they play.

Had roger been let’s say now 26 or 27 then i would say he would win at least 20 but right now i would say he would be lucky to win 18 as players like murray despite his wobbles but really del potro if he can come back like he was before could really become the next player to become a 3 slams season wonder.

I really see del potro being able to defeat nadal at the french on the consistent basis as his game just seems to match up well to rafa and i don’t see any weaknesses for rafa to exploit the way he has with roger backhand.


super man Says:

25 quarters in a row. i think roger equaled connors’ record . now fed double it like you did with the slam finals and semifinals record lol….


guy Says:

sonic

you think federer was the better player in the wimbledon final? how do you explain how he was a backhand down the line away from a straight sets loss? it was a close match for 3 sets, the first two were dominated by nadal. but that’s because wimbledon secretly put clay in the grass in collusion with the spanish federation and nike and pete sampras.

and fed the better player in the AO final? nadal wins a fifth set 62, after playing a 5hr match previous round with federer also having a bonus day off.

you have an interesting take on reality

as for his ‘poor’ first serve returning. at the moment he’s 1% lower than murray and davydenko, two of the best.

fed is having a good year returning first serves, but just as every year, nadal is the better returner. don’t worry, fed still has better service stats. and as his career shows, in the end they are more beneficial.


David Says:

I do see Delpo as a definite potential No. 1 in the next year or so, if he can get healthy and stay healthy.

But I see him more likely to win a Slam here and there. I don’t think Fedal is finished. Clearly Rafa is highly motivated to keep winning and Fed is just a freak of nature. I don’t want to put any limits on what he’s capable of doing.


dari Says:

Good win, roger! I liked the way his feet and defense liked tonight, for sure. really looking forward to this soda match and rog being able to wins back from the two big guys that bugged him this spring and summer. I’m sure he can do it
Also looking forward to that wawrinka querrey match tomorrow as well. Will any of the OTHER Spaniards be able to bother the the main one?! Hope so ;)
Way to go roger, and I SWEAR I saw the daddy in roger come out, telling kids to settle down when they were getting a little rough when doing the autographs!


Ike Says:

David

after ur 10:58 pm comment, i did some research re. following:
i don’t know if experts & scientists have done the research on “why men can’t win more GS after the age of 30?”, i mean how many GS other “greats” have own after turning 30? (note: i m talking modern post 80s era), here are some numbers (note: i don’t care if these “greats / legends” had retired before turning 30)

Jimmy Connors 2
Andre Agassi 2
Ivan Lendl 1
Pete Sampras 1
Björn Borg 0
John McEnroe 0
Boris Becker 0
Mats Wilander 0
Stefan Edberg 0

Fed is 29 now, u do the math! (re. how many more GS he can win, of course if he is out of this planet he will beat all these above guys and win (say) 4 or more GS)


David Says:

Ike

For one thing, Fed hasn’t turned 30 yet. But if I had to guess, he’ll probably win 4 after age 30, simply because he’s superior to any player who’s ever played the sport.

Meanwhile, he has four Slams to go before he reaches 30, including this year’s USO. The most likely scenario is that he wins 3 out of those 4, everything except the French, and a minimum of 2.

So I’d say we can expect him to win another 6 or 7 Slams total.


Colleen Says:

Soderlings backswing is quite long so the slow conditions actually work well for him. Of course, he’s still a great player with a decent chance to reach the semis but rog is the favorite.

Agree about the Delpo nadal match up but I don’t know if he will be healthy enough to beat him
on a consistent basis as taller players are more injury prone. It will take Delpo a while to get his game back after missing a year.


Colleen Says:

sorry about editing!


Ike Says:

David

we will find that out in few years, but mark my words: Fed will not win more than 4 GSs from now, i.e. his career GS tally will be 20 or less!


Ike Says:

i think Nadal vs. Del Po will be lot better French Open final than…………………………u know what i mean!


Andrew Miller Says:

Federer’s final set was pretty awesome. Might be a case of Federer playing only as well as he needs to play to move on. He may be saving his best for Sunday.


grendel Says:

Much better performance from Melzer – but I knew it would be, he must have been ashamed the way he folded at Wimbie. Not only did Melzer nearly take 2nd set, he was fighting on equal terms in the 3rd. But then, 2 crucial mistakes – 1) a dumping of a nothing special ball into the net.Everyone does this, of course, the trick is to avoid doing it where it counts. And 2) a hairbrained attempt at a drop shot, just gifting the break to Federer, and thus the match.

Federer was often Federer to watch – ’nuff said – but I think he was holding something in reserve for more difficult days. Hope so, anyway. It’s reasonable to assume that Nadal could play a little bit better, at least, than Melzer – and crucially, he would not have made those two mistakes at such a critical juncture.

“this is for the old geezer that toots, rafa is mentally tough, like a twat :

get over it you twit. this is tennis not chess or bridge or scrabble. and you are not freud. just a senile trying to pass off as though you hold a phd thesis in psychology.” This, I gather, is for me folks, from the geezer who for some reason calls himself “super man”. Trying to defend yourself from someone who is incapable of argument, but thinks infantile sneering is an acceptable substitute, is not necessarily a good idea. A good smack to the kidneys is probably better, but our little man, who bravely calls himself “superman” rather avoids those kind of situations, I would guess. Just for the record, nothing I have said warrants the charge he attempts to make (you know, Freud and all that). I say no more than any journalist, fiction writer, or anyone else who is curious about his fellow man might say. If I make bad mistakes sometimes, and I’m sure I do, that’s in the nature of being curious, and no harm is done, but hopefully entertaining exchange is made possible.This is a simple pleasure of the mind which which, thank god, is open to anyone who has ever quaffed a pint of beer, and is not confined to the academics. In particular, the idea that emphasising Nadal’s mental toughness is some sort of pretentious psychologising is so – well, let’s keep it clean and just say “silly” – that you hardly know where to begin. Some stuff is beyond even nonsense, even when it comes from someone who has a predeliction to calling people who disagree with him “morons” and other such illuminating epithets.

Everyone knows that Nadal is mentally phenomenally strong, most certainly Federer (who is himself just about the mentally strongest tennis player I ever saw, including Hewitt and Connors – until the advent of Nadal) does and has said so, and on this thread alone, including someone (Zinaldo) whom our little chap quotes approvingly where it suits him, several posters have emphasised it.

And that’s the point. In the end, Melzer despite putting on a terrific performance, weakened. b.t.w., Melzer does not only share being lefthanded with Nadal, he is, like Nadal, righthanded in everything else (according to Nick Lester, Sky commentator). That’s a bizzare thing. Everyone knows the story of Nadal’s becoming a lefty – I wonder what Melzer’s story is.


Skeezerweezer Says:

So how many lefties have Fed played so far in the 2010 USO? Good practice and “I like it”.

26 straight qtr final majors for Fed. UNTOUCHABLE. Another NAIL in the coffin for GOAT.

Go Fed!


Art Says:

Have to admit Fed is GOAT. His 16 Slams say it all. No need to restart this debate until Nadal reaches 16 because he is only player around currently that has a chance to exceed that number. However, I would say he is a good chance.


Skeezerweezer Says:

Art,

“Absoulutely”

ke,

Who cares if Fed doesn’t get 20? Don’t you get it? Accept it. Please don’t discount the man, he is the current GS record holder, regardless if he even gets another one or not. Others are chasing, the facts today are the facts, GOAT as of now….own up to it and quit makin excuses via Rafa why it isn’t….

4 million facebook fans and counting…..


Gordo Says:

Ike -

I was so mesmerized by the logic in your post to David I did some of my own…

i don’t know if experts & scientists have done the research on “why men can’t win more than 16 GS”, i mean how many GS other “greats” have won more than 16? (note: i m talking since man invented the wheel and first batted it over a net), here are some numbers (note: i also don’t care if these “greats / legends” had retired before they could have continued)

Rod Laver 0
John McEnroe 0
Jimmy Connors 0
Andre Agassi 0
Ivan Lendl 0
Pete Sampras 0
Björn Borg 0
Boris Becker 0
Mats Wilander 0
Stefan Edberg 0
Julius Ferkins 0

Fed is 29 now, u do the math!

Everyone loves to forget that the trailblazers are never really recognized until their achievements sink in. Come back one week from today and let’s see who has 17 GS to their credit.


Skeezerweezer Says:

Gordo,

I was writing a novella bout that, but you covered it…tx

Stats are there to be broken, Fed had broken them, so right now age is not a factor. If it is, so what?

Apply this math to his fav…..

Fed is goat, his record is THE record. talk all you want, he is what he is until someone else can break it


Skeezerweezer Says:

Meanwhile….Fed has played and beaten the #13 seed to advance to the qtrs,…..


madmax Says:

grendel,

‘Personally, I think the whole GOAT thing is a nonsense, but I accept I am in minority here. For those believers in goatism, it will become extremely difficult to keep calling Federer the GOAT when Nadal holds all 4 slams’.

grendel, don’t you see, there is so much more to being a goat – (to me), and I think it was mentioned we talk about this another time, that’s fine.

The one stat that has me stopping in my tracks is as of today 23 Consecutive SF appearances in a slam, 26 consecutive QF’s in a slam –

who is going to beat that? I can answer that one now. NO ONE.

Doesn’t it work out as this great man who has stayed the course for the best part of 11 years, AT THE TOP – It’s phenomenal.

There’s no question that fed is the goat. And I know you watch sky too. last year’s SF, yes that’s right, last year’s semi final whereby Petchey said, fed, the greatest player of all time, they all say it grendel, all the broadcasters whenever the guy walks on the court -because he is. If rafa wins his first USO on Sunday, I will be happy for the genuinely nice rafa fans out there who support their guy, but not the ones who come on like rinaldo every now and again and scaremonger and trash Fed.

That’s not sport. Fed is an Icon to the tennis world, all the players respect him because he is everything they want to be – there are plenty interviews out there confirming this – (but I accept that you don’t agree with this, as is your choice :)).

Ike came up with some stats, combined that’s players over 30 winning 6 slams –

Fed can do it! (but liking your response gordo!).

I AM IT!

thank you, thank you for your stats! For all the ‘rinaldo’s’ out there, the fact that fed is playing better now than since 2008, – if you have those stats there handy I AM IT, would be great if you could post them here buddy – saves me a task!. I am it, for sure YOU ARE IT!

Federer is playing the night session on Friday (that said on the radio this a.m. grendel).

Well done Fed! you did your fans proud!

Okay, QF’s next! Let’s go.

I don’t know who it was that said Fed ‘looked tired’, are you sure you were watching the right match?.


margot Says:

Dan Martin: Andy “unhinged” hmm, that’s a tad harsh. Also Andy has 15 titles so you could pick loads of places to have your “mock” grandslam..I think Andy may be collapsing under the heavy weight of being our only decent male player. Unless you live in the UK, you will have no idea about our gutter- press, wolf pack, not quite the scum of the earth, but you get my drift. They delight in bragging people up and then tearing them to pieces, at any sign of weakness. Nasty. However, we may all, including me, be over-analysing here. Andy may simply be ill or suffering from salt deficiency in the heat. Don’t 4get us Brits think 17c is very, very warm indeed and time to put our hankies on our heads….
Marko Polo: hi, thanks for yours. Yep, “talented and vulnerable” just about sums him up.
super man: a hug, why thank you, as unexpected as a hug from Mike Tyson and all the more pleasurable for that ;)


grendel Says:

madmax

I think Zinaldo likes Federer, but is disappointed that he can’t do better against Nadal. But I may have got that wrong.

No question some of Fed’s records are never going to get broken. For me, he is the greatest. But that’s a private passion, so to speak, and I have no wish to foist it on anyone else.


tennislover Says:

Margot,
I am inclined to agree with you that we may be over analyzing here. I could easily understand the pressure if it were Wimby but I have my doubts about the “weight of an entire nation” theory to explain Andy’s loss against Stan. I think he puts pressure on himself to do well and has done well generally but he is entitled to have an off day and a variety of factors combined to make it a rough day for him. I got the feeling he just wasn’t feeling well at all. You know, kind of not feeling like playing for whatever reason….

I hope it is not as bad for him psychologically as it has been made out to be. The long break should help him recover and come out firing for the last part of the season.

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