Novak Djokovic Blows Out Roger Federer To Reach Sixth Australian Open Final
by Sean Randall | January 28th, 2016, 7:22 am
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It was ugly early if you were a Roger Federer fan. Thursday night in the Australian Open semifinals, the much hyped Federer-Novak Djokovic showdown was as lopsided of a match as you will see on the men’s tour.

In Serena-like fashion, Djokovic, the 5-time champion, stormed out to a 6-1, 6-2 lead in about an hour behind an array of breathtaking shotmaking and plain old excellence.

Djokovic was firing on all cylinders leaving Federer to wonder what, if anything he could do, just to win games. And there simply wasn’t much he could do.

“I think against Roger, these first two sets have been probably the best two sets I’ve played against him overall I think throughout my career,” Djokovic said. “I’ve had some moments against him in sets where I’ve played on a high level, but this was, yeah, I think a different level than from before. I’m just very, very pleased that I was able to perform the way I did from the very beginning till the end.

“I played flawless tennis for first two sets, no doubt about it.”

Federer kept trying to attack, but would get passed. His serve was getting hammered and Djokovic was unplayable from the baseline and he was cracking his serve. The best Roger could hope for was a few lobs he could smash.

Things, though, began to slowly turn as they often do. Djokovic began to come down to earth in the third as Federer picked up his play, serving with more effectiveness. Then in the 2-2 game (I think) Federer finally got a sniff of a break chance and after 3-4 missed opportunities he eventually broke through. With the crowd on its feet, Federer had his momentum.

He would close out the set 6-3 but with rain apparently on the way, the tournament decided to close the roof delaying the match for a good 10 minutes.

Upon resumption, both guys began a little flat, a little cold. But Djokovic was a notch above and you could sense it was only a matter of time before he’d get back on top and take it. Sure enough with Federer serving 3-4 that was the moment. After winning an exhilarating point, one of the best of the tournament, that would be it for the Swiss. Djokovic broke, then served it out at love to win it 6-1, 6-2, 3-6, 6-3.

“I don’t think I’ve done too much wrong in the third,” Djokovic said. “I was still playing solid, solid tennis. He deserved to win that one. After that, the roof was closed. In the fourth, I served on a very high level. I was very patient. I knew that I’m going to have my opportunity. When it was presented, I managed to utilize it and win in four.”

Down two sets, Federer was just in too big of a hole.

“I’ve seen Novak play this well before,” Federer said. “It’s tough when it’s from the start because obviously you got to try to stop the bleeding at some point, you know. Because he returns very well, like Andre Agassi. He can get one or two sets all of a sudden. Those sets run away very quickly.

“I found a way. Started to play better myself. Made a bit of a match out of it, which was nice,” he added. “But still disappointed obviously that it didn’t go better tonight.”

Djokovic now leads Federer for the first time ever in their head-to-head 23-22. He’s also beaten Roger in the last three Grand Slams and matches Federer reaching his 17th straight tournament final.

And at age 28 he looks virtually unstoppable. Tasked with having to stop him Sunday will be either familiar foe and friend Andy Murray or Milos Raonic. Good luck guys!

“I think he cleaned up his game very nicely,” Federer said. “Whatever was sometimes suspect before is not as wobbly anymore like it used to be. His serve is part of that. He used to have issues with double-faults. I think he serves very accurate, which is important for a serve.

“Today Novak was very, very good. There’s no doubt about it.”


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188 Comments for Novak Djokovic Blows Out Roger Federer To Reach Sixth Australian Open Final

Martin rivkin Says:

no one could have stopped novak tonight no one !!!! best hes played since dominating nadal before aussie open started , may as well hand him trophy now as be straights set fast win on sunday without any doubt no matter who he plays. this will be the year he wins all four slams in same year with olympics as no one can stop him in this form at all, prepare for total one sided joker filled season.


mat4 Says:

Fed gave an excellent interview, with humility and a sense of reality I’ve seldom heard of him.

But he also lost his nerves toward the end, and it was very ugly.


Tennis Vagabond Says:

The first two sets were as close to perfect tennis as you’ll get. I’d have to say, that must be up with the greatest sets ever played.

Was hard watching Federer not at his best. His serve was nowhere near good enough. He couldn’t buy a first serve in the big moments. First two sets he had clear nerves, error after error, bad choices, but throughout, that serve was an issue. Between Novak’s perfection and Fed’s B-game, the gap between them was enormous, and Fed was lucky to get any scoreboard at all.

Third serve, Novak dropped ever so slightly- and I mean, 1 or 2 actual bad shots in the set when the first two he made really no bad errors. Fed got hot at the right time, but he had to fight like hell and come up with absolutely miraculous shots just to get one break, and then hold on to take the set.

He couldn’t keep it up in the fourth, and his serve really let him down.

Novak was at his best. Even the set he lost, he played amazing.
Great interview as always, and I enjoyed the pre-match interviews, they’ve been playing as well.

Tough one to watch as a Fed fan, but have to appreciate one of the great all time performances I’ve ever seen.


Tennis Vagabond Says:

What else can I say, but… Go Milos!


Gypsy Gal Says:

Well i will say Go Murray,if not the Milos,either way hope one of them wins the title….


van orten Says:

So some djoker fans Seem to compensate having a small one by going full throttle vs Federer..he is arrogant ( that’s called confidence and it is something champions are made of) he is OLD , he is done , he is a disgrace ,

Boy it is getting boring ..the good news is …he will keep on playing no matter what u small dicks say …


Wog Boy Says:

^^ as long as Nole is having “big one” to fix your man we are happy bunch of “small ones” ;)

What a pathetic creature you are.


calmdownplease Says:

^^^^LOL!

When can we say Fed is ‘passed it’ then?
Because he clearly is.
He is nearly 35 and, what’s more, has played on the tour non-stop for nearly 20 years!


chrisford1 Says:

23-22, but Federer could get it back in Dubai. Still, it is looking like 2016 is when Novak permanently pulls ahead of Rafa and Roger in H2H. I believe he was already up on both of them on Slam H2H and year end championship H2H.
At the biggest events, the last time Roger beat Novak was in the 2012 Wimbledon semis.

All credit to Roger for being still in it and at a high level of play even after the Slam trophies stopped coming (with the 2012 Wimbledon win exception).


Vami Says:

Remember Paul the Octopus? Atomic is the new Paul. He correctly predicted that Federer would be nowhere near Djokovic’s level.


van orten Says:

Come on wag boyz u can better than that hahahahahahhahahahahahhahahaah u can better than that mr wag boy


Michael Says:

With 50 percent first serves and a half century of unforced errors, can you hope to win against Novak ? Roger was definitely not at his best and as I expected Novak just didn’t allow him the rythm on court which was offered to him earlier by other opponents when he had a free run. Just seeing Novak at the other end made Roger look a bit circumspect as to whether some of his strategy and techniques will be effective and doubts were cast in his mind.

But yet the first two sets were a complete wash out with a rampaging Novak getting the better of a wavered Roger.

Roger just couldn’t settle into his groove and was literally looking a bit clueless on court as to how to handle the power of Novak’s ground strokes which were piercing the lines on both ends. His awful first serve percentage didn’t serve his cause and just when everybody thought that the match will be a wash out, there was a surprising element of a Roger revival in the third set which gave the crowd some entertaining moments. Unfortunately, Roger couldn’t maintain that momentum in the fourth and yet again succumbed to Novak’s brilliance and consistency.

Just nobody had confidence in Roger that he will stretch it to the 5th set when he experienced difficulty in holding his serve and just the match got quickly over with Novak up 3-4 and he broke Roger’s serve and denied him yet again his quest for his 18th title which appears quite distant at the moment especially with the way Novak is playing.


BBB Says:

I don’t think calling Federer arrogant is going “full throttle.” I was a Federer fan until I found him to be ungracious as he began to decline. His arrogance is, to me, a cover for his anxiety over no longer being dominant. You can disagree that he’s arrogant, but it doesn’t mean anyone who thinks he is has an ax to grind.

The hype also is aggravating. We heard it before Wimbledon, and again before the US Open. It’s as if Djokovic is a qualifier who’s managed to slip his way into the final. The crowd’s conduct at the US Open was unbecoming. What seems a positive then becomes a negative: Djokovic has chosen to respond to these issues by strengthening his mental game – hence the blistering first two sets. I suspect the gap will widen between these two moving forward.

That said, the shots Federer made to break Novak in the third were precisely why he was magical in his prime.


kriket Says:

Ouch! Was this the easiest match yet for Đoković in this years AO? Real lackluster for Fedfans. I like Fed too but root for Đoko of course in their matches.
There it went again, all the predictions, conditions, stats, blabla, and when they started playing there was no question anymore whatsoever who’s gonna come out a winner.
Like I said, looks like the easiest win for Đoković in this tournament so far, and it was advertised as a blockbuster.


Gypsy Gal Says:

Michael congrats on your favorites win,and commies on your other favorites loss,curious but as there isnt a thread,but whats your thoughts on the womens side,weak era/strong era?thats if your intersted in womens tennis,and what did you make of our Brit girl Konta this week??….


Tennis Vagabond Says:

I hoped Novak would come out a little messy, as against Kei and Simon. As soon as I saw that first serve clip the line for an ace, the odds in my mind got much much worse.


Wog Boy Says:

I think for once people should stop trying to talk about Roger bad serving day. If that happens always in the matches against Nole than there is a reason for that. Roger is facing best returner in the history of tennis, not Gofin or Dimitro or Berdych, and has to go for more than usual in order to win. Every tournament Roger is cruising and serving great until he comes up face to face with Nole and then…well, he is having bad serving day :)


SL Says:

Novak should have had the slam last year, just ran into a guy whose top level happened to be better than his (and probably everyone else’s) that day in June. He will get it this year.

He’s a great player but his closest rival is a 34 year old former great. That’s not saying much.

@ Michael is spot on. Novak was excellent those first two sets BUT Roger really served poorly throughout and made too many errors. You can argue that Federer missed more because of how well Djokovic was playing, but at his prime Federer did not do that a lot. He was almost always capable or raising his level to match his opponents no matter how good they were. That is why Roger is well past his peak – his shotmaking is still great and his movement is still good enough. His serve and his nerve have gone off a bit, and they’re not unrelated either.


mat4 Says:

OK, in case I am the one accused of calling RG “arrogant” — something I didn’t.

Here is the part of the interview when he loses a bit his composure, the full question and the full answer, because I don’t want to take it out of context:

“Q. As dominant as you have been the years 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007, and so on, since there are not any more the Nadals or the Federers in the next three years, we don’t see that around, the fab four. Do you think Djokovic will be as dominant or more dominant than you have been having no great opponents in the future?

ROGER FEDERER: You have to be careful how you phrase a question. You don’t want to be rude to the other players because you have to face them. I don’t have to face them. I don’t ask them stupid questions like that.

I think there’s a lot of good players on the tour. I’ll tell you that. I think it’s hard to keep up that level of play. What he’s been doing is amazing. I was very happy how I’ve been able to keep up my level. Is it better or not? I don’t know.

I think we’re both, all of us, with Rafa, Novak, me, Murray, you name it, Stan, we’re all very happy with our careers. Of course, you can argue all these cases. We’re trying our best, you know, everybody. I think we’ll all walk away very happy that we were as successful as we were.”

The whole interview is here:

http://www.ausopen.com/en_AU/news/interviews/2016-01-28/roger_federer_280116.html


van orten Says:

Why can’t we be pro fed and pro djoker like we all used to be here back in the day..what happened ???


van orten Says:

so now he is arrogant because he answers stupid questions time and time again ?? The problem is those questions come on a regular basis and he has answered all of them during his career ..all of them !! Poor journalists having to deal with arrogant legend federer


Wog Boy Says:

Sean,

Question for you, you had thread that explicitly asked the question “how long will Boris Becker will last with Nole” and Boris became laughing stock on TX, no?

Can we have the same question, and new thread, with Ljubicic instead of Boris?


calmdownplease Says:

Yeah van orten !

we should just all join hands and joyously shriek ‘kumbayah’ together!


Michael Says:

Alison @ 8.46 am,

On the women’s side, it is all Serena, Serena and Serena. What a lady ? What determination, tenacity, perseverance and will power that this lady who was on her death bed came to life and just yet again is dominating the sport like no other. I think she can continue playing even whe she is 37 or 38 and still rule the Women’s section. She is so much superior to the younger lot and has such gruesome power with lethal serve which is holding her in good stead !!


Vami Says:

The handshake at the end of the match was cold, almost WTA like.


Michael Says:

Alison @ 8.46 am,

Honestly telling you, if Andy comes to the finals against Novak, I will be rooting for him all the way. Having reached many finals and semi finals at this tournament, he definitely cannot go away without a title and if that fructifies what can be a better gift to his expected baby !?


Gypsy Gal Says:

Michael ahh thats sweet….


Michael Says:

Wog Boy @ 8.55 am,

I tend to agree with you. Novak’s quality of return puts extra pressure on Roger’s direction of serve, pace and variety and he becomes a little bit circumspect and this damages his rhythm. We all have to praise Novak’s spectacular returns which is the best the Tennis World has seen in my opinion.


Michael Says:

Alison @ 9.18 am, Thank you !!


van orten Says:

I ll join u on Sunday after The match..handkerchiefs included !!!!


Wog Boy Says:

Thanks Michael, finally somebody agrees with me. Have a nice day, it is well past bed time for me, off to the bed.


mat4 Says:

@Van Orten:

Yes, I know he often answers stupid questions, but he’s well paid for that. It’s not always easy to answer after such a difficult match, and Fed’s fluency in English makes things worse (Nishi can allow himself to answer “yeah”, Rafa “no?”).

But it was a bit harsh at that moment.

Let’s mention that I, myself, disagree with all those theories about “weak eras”, and that I don’t believe that Novak’s domination will last for too long.


Wog Boy Says:

For Roger fans, he has got a chance to join Bolshoi Ballet,
check this;

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CZkoUXCUEAELOVq.jpg

Have a nice day:)


mat4 Says:

You too, WB.


tennisfansince76 Says:

Living on the west coast of the USA the match was on at 12:30 am and as I had work the next day and did not anticipate an all time classic match and also being quite tired after working and then babysitting my nephew I hit the sack early. I woke up quite early around 4 am still dark outside. I decided to get up and check the match score on my iPad. What a surprise! The match was still ongoing. Roger had managed to win the first set 7-6. Unfortunately Novak had co e back and won set 2 7-6. The match was currently in the the third set tiebreak. High stakes. High tension. After moving on to another scenario involving Novak djokovic and a giant house with a top floor covered in glass that was leaking badly in the rain I realized I hadn’t actually woken up at all. When I did actually wake up and check the score it was more in line with what I expected before bed.


Margot Says:

Congratulations to Nole and his ace fans on here.
As I said on the match thread, God help whoever is on the other sise of the net on Sunday.


Okiegal Says:

A big DITTO to Margot’s post above!! They will need help from a higher power!!

Congrats to Nole fans……sympathies to Roger fans. If there is nobody who can beat this guy in slams, I see him climbing up the slam count ladder and getting closer and closer to the top gun……oh my……what a stir that will cause! Novak is playing amazing tennis…..gee I wish he was my favorite, but he ain’t…….. I am still hanging with the King of Clay!!


lapinroyal Says:

Bravo to Nole!
But I must say “Tabarnak” (in Quebec) as a tennis (and secondary FedFan) fan for for the stupid break to close the roof… Probably, it would not change the course of this match, but the closure of the roof certainly deprive us a good 4th and may be 5th set… Can we say that Novak just create a monster with the first 2 sets, just to use someone expression?

@Mat, Thanks for the interview.

@WB, as sport as you can be (as NoleFan defending other), you shouldn’t reply to trolling comments. Ignoring them is the only way to shut them up.


lapinroyal Says:

@Mat
Imaging the same question to Serena after the lost to Vinci… She will eat that stupid reporter alive..


skeezer Says:

“Novak Djokovic Blows Out Roger Federer..”
Don’t think Nole would own up to that statement. A blowout would be in straights with a low scoreline by Fed.
That said, Nole played perfection from the start. I saw 93% first serves in that first set? The stellar play continued in the second. Someone mentioned earlier that it didn’t matter who was on the other side of the net today Nole was gonna take them down. Indeed!
Fed tried valiantly to get back into the match by a heroic effort in the third, but the damage was already done, and Nole just needed to lift his game one more time and finish it off. Congrats to Nole and his fan base. He clearly was the fav here ( despite some insecure Nole fans ) and confirmed it by this win. Now he is clearly not far off from the possibility of overcoming Rafa’s 14 titles with a win here. This year for him is looking very very good.


tennisGuy Says:

Nothing mush changes here I see. I have to laugh every time I see the anyone but Novak comments.Gypsy Gal, have you ever picked Nole in any game since you say you have nothing against him? I have yet to see it,lol. At Least Giles is honest in his hatred. Yeah, it’s too bad tennis fans have to hate one guy if they like another. Nole is doing what every player does, try to win the game and that makes him robotic, arrogant, boring, …..pathetic, such poor fans


Giles Says:

Lol skeezer lol. Always worrying about Rafa. I think you should start worrying about #17 going by the wayside. Enjoy 17 while you can.


Matt Says:

@Mat4,
You think that interview excerpt is Roger being harsh or nasty? You mentioned he as classy but at the end nasty. Is that excerpt you pasted above the nasty?


Ben Pronin Says:

Federer’s last 4 slams since the shocking Seppi loss: QF, F, F, SF. The first 3 losses came to the eventual champ and it’s likely this 4th one will as well. Yeah, he’s so “passed it”.


Gypsy Gal Says:

TennisGuy i have nothing against him as i say,and i will repeat what i have said numerous times hes an amazing,and i have defended him numerous times when people have trashed him,not always as its virtually impossible to always jump in the fray each and everytime,when Hewitt retired i was the very first person to post about how unfair it was that he wasnt mentioned in the interview with the other players,long term tennis-x posters all know me alot better than you do to know im alot fairer than that,and you can ask any of them,and ive even had fellow Rafa fans accuse me of being some secret Nole fan,so i guess i wont win either way,as for picking him to win i do when hes playing Isner,Karlovic,Berdych,Cilic,not so many i will admit,but sometimes you have to pick your side and with Rafa out Murray is my second favorite,Federer used to be my favorite and Raonic i think it would be fantastic if he won a GS,but no i dont hate Novak but he is just not my favorite,but if you dont believe theres nothing i can do about that,and thats you with the problem not me,PEACE AND HAVE A GOOD EVENING….


Goose Egg Says:

As a long time Fed fan, I admit that I’ve often wished that his rivals do well but not as well as Fed. But Djokovic has made me a big fan lately. The guy is playing tennis better right now than I think anyone has ever… His drive and commitment over the past 5 years has been incredible. I have nothing but tremendous respect for him as a player and a person.

It kind of reminds me of the Patriots-Broncos game last week… As New Englander, it broke my heart that Tom Brady lost getting battered around (like Fed got battered last night), but I have nothing but the highest respect for Peyton Manning. Unfortunately, being a tennis fan, your heart gets broken many times per year. Unless, of course, your guy is Djokovic.


Goose Egg Says:

Also, side note: does anyone else have a problem viewing Tennis-X on mobile phones? It’s like the mobile version is off center… It never used to be like that.


madmax Says:

Yeah,

They are all full of aces.

=Transparent as clear glass, if you think some of the comments that the hateful novak fans say are worthy of the word ‘ace’.

Your vocabulary needs improving.

The two dear novak fans, true and pure, Duro and Sar, who no longer partake here, are the purest Novak fans ever.

Hope they read this and return.


Gypsy Gal Says:

Madmax whose your post for?….


Daniel Says:

Agree skeeze, no blow put when you lose a set. no matter of tou lose three tiebreaks, but if you get tbe staright set win shows that uou were conpose throughtout to not let your opponent in. Losing in 4 no matter the score is always better than losing in straight, no matter how competitive the sets are.

Also agree Wog Boy and Michael ref serve. I always said this that Djoko’s return is in a different level. Tome way better than Agassi. And that adds extra pressure on Roger who is never able to gave a great serve day. The last grea serving day Fed has was Dubai last year when he saved 5 or 6 BP’s versus Novak.
The case for Agassi is that he used to return nogger serves as the big serves were at the top of the rankings, contrary to today where obly Roddick stayed there long enough.


Daniel Says:

Van Orten, people are coming after Fed because even tough Djoko is winnig, pre match everybody has doubts and kind of fear Fed. As much as you can say Djoko os clear favorte Fed is Fed and even today was able to take a set (actually all llast 4 Slam matches he won a set or more).

Was the same with Nadal a while back, when he was the main threat to Djoko. Now that the ship has sailed and Nadal doesn’t pose threat to Djoko anymore he got the sympathy and all targets are on Fed.

If Murray starts beating Djoko regularly the same will happen.l and he will be under scrutinity.

Fed may have the bigger fan base but also he is the player wih most backslash on him, specially since he is around like forever.


mat4 Says:

@Lapin, Matt:

Yes, I think that Fed should have kept his composure. I haven’t watched the interview, but I guess it’s quoted verbatim. The journalist was quite disrespectful, something you can notice easily:

Q. [...] and so on [...] [...] having no great opponents in the future?

The casual “and so on” is very disrespectful. Then, the presupposition in “having no great opponents” in the context is that Federer himself didn’t have great opponents in his dominant stretch.

I found the question arrogant. But then, Fed lost his self-control:

“RF: [...] I don’t ask them stupid questions like that.”

He shouldn’t have said that. What he said before and after was enough and on the point. He’s 34, a mature man now, he should have known better not to let anybody provoke him.


MMT Says:

I think the score finished exactly as expected – I didn’t expect the obliteration in the first two sets that we witnessed. Djokovic was outstanding, and I don’t believe Federer’s level was down for any reason other than Djokovic’s quality. The third set was a surprise to me – I thought it was going to finish in straight sets, but Djokovic’s level came down, and Federer’s came up, hence the result.

The fourth set was more like what I expected for the rest of the match – both players limited by the quality of the other, but the superiority of Djokovic prevailed. In the end, the result was generous to Federer – as he was thoroughly beaten in the sets he lost.

mat4: I think you’ve done yourself in by posting the entire question and the entire answer: that was indeed one of the stupidest questions I’ve ever heard. He’s asking the greatest player of all time, who’s still making major finals, and improved on last year’s result here, if Djokovic will dominate the game because nobody is up to the challenge. In one question, the breadth and depth of stupidity in that question could have elicited a much harsher answer.

It didn’t, and I think his answer was not only spot on, but to be expected. I also found it fascinating that Djokovic appears to me to lack full enjoyment of the win, like at the US Open. I think it STILL bothers him that he doesn’t get the love like Federer, but as I’ve noted repeatedly, that has NOTHING to with how he plays.

An great example to all.


Okiegal Says:

Fed did give a nice interview…..but what could he say??? He was whooped…but he made it to the semis and played astounding tennis to get there. Great coming from a 34 yr old who is definitely not over the hill! This semi was his how many???
Another stat for his incredible resume!!


mat4 Says:

@MMT:

What does this mean: “I think you’ve done yourself in”; to do oneself in — I am not sure.

I thought I was quite clear in my posts.


Lapinroyal Says:

@WB
If you are looking for young gun, may i suggest Felix Auger-Aliassime. Youngest to be rank on ATP…
May be we gonna cheer for the same player!


Lapinroyal Says:

@mat
I so like to hear the answer from Serena… Probably with a lot of *beep*…
^_-


Gypsy Gal Says:

Hi Okie nice to see you here ;))….


Okiegal Says:

My comment at 1:09……I am talking about the entire interview. That excerpt posted above…..I thought he answered it exceptionally well. What was wrong with it?? He was asked a very stupid question, no?


mat4 Says:

@Lapin:

You know that I don’t watch La Mauve. I try to behave as if she never existed.


Margot Says:

mat4, as far as I understand it “to do yourself in” means to undermine your own argument.


Okiegal Says:

@GG….Greetings back! Haven’t posted much lately. I have been going to basketball games….trying to get out of the house some. The walls are closing in on me at night…..needed an outlet. GG, what do you think of Milos? Does the credit go to Moya?? I would say so. He is looking very good….going to the net and winning lots of points there. His all around game is great. Rafa should have hired him, me thinks! LOL I have been impressed with him and I goofed by not putting him in my top ten….I put in Anderson….


mat4 Says:

@Margot:

I didn’t undermine my own argument! I precisely wrote:

“Fed gave an excellent interview, with humility and a sense of reality I’ve seldom heard of him.

But he also lost his nerves toward the end, and it was very ugly.”

Then:

“OK, in case I am the one accused of calling RG “arrogant” — something I didn’t.

Here is the part of the interview when he loses a bit his composure, the full question and the full answer, because I don’t want to take it out of context: [quotation here]”

Etc.

In my following post I clarified the situation in details.

At least, you, as an English, you know that you don’t say to an idiot that he is an idiot just because he is one.

Anyway, aside the fact that I didn’t say (write) what some want me to have said (written), why do Americans always believe that their cultural patterns are the right ones?


Margot Says:

I didn’t say you did Matt. I just gave an interpretation of what I thought that saying meant.
Your argument is not with me.


Gypsy Gal Says:

Okie i really hope theres some truth in the Agassi rumours,Rafa needs new ideas now,anyway Milos does look good seems to have really rounded out his game,more variety,and his movement is much better,and very clean ball striking hitting it deep,i wish our favorite could hit the ball deep,i hope Murray wins the whole thing,but im not seeing this as a gimmee by any means,if Milos does beat Murray then i hope he wins the whole thing,as it would be great to see another AO,that is assuming im actually aloud to root for another player not named Novak,as im such a closet hater see the post from TennisGuy and you will know exactly what i am talking about….


MMT Says:

mat4: He didn’t call him an idiot – he said it was a stupid question and it was. And he didn’t lose his composure – his answer was very clear and reasoned. That you view it as evidence of losing his cool or ugly is a clear indication of your pre-disposed opinion of him.

Whether he is arrogant or loses his composure is a matter of opinion: what you’ve offered as evidence show the exact opposite of that assessment.


MMT Says:

And Margot interpreted my comment exactly correctly.


Matt Says:

Mat4,
You missed on that one. You’re saying the journalist was disrespectful BUT Federer lost his cool? That doesn’t make sense on the surface.

Federer is defending the players. If we say Djokovic has really no legitimate challengers on tour (btw, I agree), that’s pretty disrespectful to a lot of professional players. That’s what Roger was saying in what you quoted.

In other words, STFUP journalist.

These players today are tame compared to the heathens of years past. You must have been quite offended listening/watching Lendl, JMac and the boys carry-on.

Toughen-up, Mat4.
:)


BBB Says:

Mat, I think this is your point (correct me if I’m wrong): it’s not relevant whether the question was stupid or not. A gracious/humble person does not tell the reporter the question was stupid. He answers it or dodges it, or maybe even makes a joke.

We can’t have it both ways; we can’t celebrate Federer for his extraordinary graciousness and then make excuses when he’s not gracious. The whole reason grace and humility are celebrated is because they involve behaving well when you have every reason not to behave well.

For my part, I feel he was good at being gracious when he was dominant but has struggled since the decline began.


Gypsy Gal Says:

Im with Okie i dont think there was anything wrong with the interview,i suppose it all depends on ones interpretation i suppose?….


Tennis Vagabond Says:

This is an interesting conversation (given that everything has been said about tennis 10x).

On the one hand, Mat4 is correct that one doesn’t need to call someone an idiot just because he is one. (or insult in some other accurate way).
On the other hand, I loved the comment.

BBB, I never thought Federer was especially gracious. He was clearly ungracious with Murray and Novak while he was still dominant. I just enjoy him, and find his occasional ungraciousness entertaining and usually understandable to some extent. As here. He’s human. I like that he’s fairly honest, says intelligent and thoughtful things mostly, stupid things sometimes, can be completely unaware of it (saying stupid or arrogant things), yet at other times can have the slyest digs, very much aware.

I see I am fulfilling one Fed stereotype, the “arrogant fan”, while contradicting another, the “Fed-is-perfect fan”. So be it.


Tennis Vagabond Says:

Now Rafa, that is one gracious dude. Never a wrong word.


MMT Says:

BBB: I don’t know how long you’ve been following tennis, but for you take issue with a couple of stern remarks here and there from modern players who, for the most part, all read from the same script, and then label them ungracious and arrogant is myopic.

Have you seen John McEnroe’s interviews, or Connors or Lendl or Sampras? Hell, go back to interviews with Pancho Gonzales if you want, and see how patient he was with journalists. I encourage you to check them out on youtube, then return to reality and judge reasonably.

You can take issue with his response, but to label it as it has been labelled here, and entirely dispense with literally thousands of hours of interviews where Federer (et al) have been nothing but patient, gracious and entirely polite, is just absurd.

In fact, get a load of the interviews Serena has done when she loses over the 10 years: if you want to see what arrogance and dismissiveness really looks like, she is the motherlode thereof.


mat4 Says:

@Margot: I didn’t imply that you thought that way. I am grateful for the translation.

@Matt:

JMac’s and Connors’ behaviour was childish. And I don’t need to toughen up, btw.

Anyway, I don’t understand a word of what MMT and you are saying. That the journalist asked a disrespectful question — indeed he did. That Fed lost his composure — he did too. That all of this was ugly, it was, and I explained why and how.

The elementary rule of decency is not to abuse of his power, wealth, nobility, even of his knowledge of english, etc. in his relationship with others.

For a journalist, the first rule of honesty is to avoid questions with a presupposition.


MMT Says:

“Tennis Vagabond Says: Now Rafa, that is one gracious dude. Never a wrong word.”

Never is too strong – Rafa has his moments, just like anyone else, but this entire crop of top players, over the last 10 years, are altar boys compared to their predecessors.


jane Says:

mat4, i could tell fed was a bit rankled by that question, but the way i understood his reply is that it was a “rude” and “stupid” thing to ask because it was demeaning to the field of tennis players playing right now, and it wasn’t nice to novak either. as fed said ” I think it’s hard to keep up that level of play. What he’s been doing is amazing”

i actually really liked this answer of fed’s. the journalists are often – quite frankly – dumb*sses. they are biased, and uninformed, and just plain silly – some of them. why not give credit where it’s due?

to both novak and fed.

i loved goose egg’s comment above; novak deserves props for the hard work he’s put in, the professionalism and dedication, to reach the level he has. fed deserves props for still playing outstanding tennis after all these years, and for fighting. even after those tough first two sets, he kept looking for inroads. and he raised his level which made the match more of a nail-biter.

anyhow, i enjoyed it.

i also disagree that the handshake was cold. and here’s proof.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CZzfEpuWIAApfNh.jpg


MMT Says:

mat4: Lost his composure? Define that reasonably, if you can. I don’t consider using the word “stupid” to constitute a loss of composure.

Did he insult the guy? No – just the question.
Did he raise his voice and shout? Not remotely.
Did he threaten to cut the press conference off because of that question? Nope.
Did he threaten not to take questions from the journalist or the publication? No.
Did he interrupt him? No.
Did he start crying? No.

I think your definition of composure and abuse of power are very broad. Wealth and nobility have nothing to do with it.

Who exactly has the power, by the way – the player who is compelled to do the interview or the reporters who are free to ask whatever they want, to whomever they want, with no risk of any repercussions?

No, this is a very skewed biased view of a non-issue.


jane Says:

for novak’s fans here’s a cool interview with boris from a week or so ago:

http://www.rollingstone.com/sports/features/boris-beckers-plan-to-make-novak-djokovic-even-better-20160119


andrea fehsenfeld Says:

yup….i hope it’s a milos/novak final and i hope milos takes it.


jane Says:

i think fed was shooting down the “weak era” theory in that comment. or that’s how i understood it?


courbon Says:

Goose Egg-Great post! And yes, mobile tx version is off balanced screen,for last two weeks..

Sean-any technician there?


MMT Says:

http://www.ausopen.com/en_AU/video/index.html?tabName=interviews_videos

Here’s a link to the interview, in case you’d like to see Roger lose his composure and abuse his power.


mat4 Says:

@MMT:

I explained it all above. Twice. The posts are easy to find, you even posted just below one of them.

Then, yes, to say that somebody has said something stupid in a formal situation is still offensive in most European cultures.


madmax Says:

Gypsy Gal Says:
Madmax whose your post for?….

January 28th, 2016 at 12:26 pm

Gypsy,

Not with you. Ever.

There was nothing, absolutely nothing wrong with Federer’s interview. It is just the usual ill informed troublemakers making something out of nothing – and that is not unusual.

Every change they get, they can’t help themselves.


madmax Says:

chance


madmax Says:

Makes me smile though Gypsy, because underneath it all, makes me wonder how they would fare in such circumstances, probably too many fillers, ‘erm’, ‘er’…couldn’t string a sentence together but are ready with bullets to shoot.

It’s pathetic.

Fabulous Federer who answered the questions with dignity, a certain amount of tiredness and with class and sophistication.

The best line was the one I posted earlier. That Novak has written a reference for everyone. How true.


BBB Says:

MMT, I’ve been following tennis for a long time. I’ve posted elsewhere the remarks that Federer has made over the years that have led me to believe he’s adept at being gracious when he’s dominant, and not so much as the decline has begun. I think the remark he made after his loss to Djokovic at the 2011 US Open was stupendously petty. He similarly did not respond well when he lost to Berdych at Wimbledon. The test of our character comes during adversity, not success.

I don’t think what Mat posted is a particularly good example, but he was using material from the last 24 hours. It’s certainly not the basis for my opinion.

Nobody has accused McEnroe, or any of the others you list, of being gracious. As I said, you can’t have it both ways – you can’t sing his praises for being gracious and then ignore the occasions when he’s not. Pointing out that there are worse offenders doesn’t change that.

There’s hypberole around Federer, and I see no reason to protect it when the evidence contradicts the image.

I like what Vagabond wrote. Love him for who he is, not some fluffed up image.


madmax Says:

that I posted, but was taken from Fed’s interview.


courbon Says:

Jane-Thanx for link. I like that interview.


madmax Says:

Wog Boy Says:
Sean,

Question for you, you had thread that explicitly asked the question “how long will Boris Becker will last with Nole” and Boris became laughing stock on TX, no?

Can we have the same question, and new thread, with Ljubicic instead of Boris?

January 28th, 2016 at 9:09 am

Wogboy, you are so childish. You simply can’t grow up, can you? Your discussions always aimed at antagonistic behaviour. I have to smile, because you must be at least 60 years old and bored so have nothing better to do. You really are. Ooops…sorry, what an ‘ace’ novak fan you are. So grown up. So mature. So well preserved. Just like brandy.


jane Says:

you’re welcome courbon; i think they’re such an excellent “fit”


van orten Says:

I read a lot of hate stuff on the internet about nole not being loved by the western world because he is from belgrad apparently. Now that is totally nonsense. If roger was born a federerovic he would still be equally loved …it’s about enjoying a living legend as long as he still plays. It’s ok to lose in semis or final of a gs at that age. Nole will experience the same in about 6 years from now . So pls chill . It has noting to do with nole being Serb or being rogers rival. Chill folks


courbon Says:

Jene:You are right. I just had a tought-If Raonic gets to the final it is a win-win situation for you?Isn’t it?


MMT Says:

BBB: I agree that mat4′s example is a bad one – in fact it is contradictory. I should point out that nobody accused McEnroe, Lendl, Connors or Sampras of being gracious because they WEREN’T. Are you putting Federer in the same category? I don’t think you are.

I agree with the examples you gave of unsporting answers responses in the past – those were terrible. But when categorizing someone as one thing or another, I look at the totality of what they’ve done.

But I also agree that the images these players portray is carefully crafted, and intended to do just what it does – make people like them all the more. I get sick of that because it’s fake and manipulative.

But this is not a good example at all and even if it were (as it has on occasion in the past) does not erase thousands of hours to the contrary.


Gypsy Gal Says:

Courbon i know Jane can speak for herself,but she always said Murray was her sceond favorite,but i dont know if thats changed?….


Lapinroyal Says:

@Mat4
I’m only watch LaMauve when she loose…

Interesting… Kerber have a similar serve trajectory ,mirror image to one of the best who never won a GS, Dementieva-WTA-Best-Legs before getting coach for her serve by Richard Krajicek.

In one of a real good match involving LaMauve-Dementieva, you can see her serving out wide on Ad court to the BH. I was shock… to bad she lost.

Kerber need some advice for her serve to be more relevant. Good players always continue to seek for perfection and improvement…


Gypsy Gal Says:

Tennis-x staff any chance of a thread for Murray and Milos,you know the other semi thats also happening??….


Wog Boy Says:

lapinroyal,

You are right, I regreted it when I posted it early this morning, I regret it even more now when I woke up, I should have ignored the comment that sparked my reaction, but it is there now.


Wog Boy Says:

BTW,

Where is that “komsija” that said that another finger wag is coming this Thursday, you’re probably in some very cloudy filthy coffee shop in Amsterdam, smoking low quolity weed and trying to forget reality but yes it is true, reality says, first two sets was nothing short of Nole’s demoliton of Rafa in Doha, if that helps we have some good weed here, maybe the best in the world, I am good man and I’ll send you some, don’t smoke that cheap rubbish.


van orten Says:

Well I guess you are smoking spice then wb


Wog Boy Says:

Margot,

Thanks, yes, Nole has ace fans:))


Wog Boy Says:

No, I am supplying that stuff ti idiots like you.


chrisford1 Says:

Looked up Novaks response to mental games played with oneself in after and before competition, the nitpicking and confidence issues.

“”It’s important that in the end of the day, that your convictions are stronger than your doubts.”

Ran it through Google and in a brief foray, all I could see was it appears original to Djokovic. No doubt some other eloquent athlete or CEO or philosopher has said it differently. It does appear to be all Djokovics as phrased, and it is a memorable quote.


Matt Says:

Mat4,
Maybe you commented on the tennis and any and several other elements to last night’s festivities on another thread? I hope, because this Fed exchange is a non-issue, especially in light of all the other things to talk about. Especially from a seasoned tennis fan like you. Federer was rude? How about his ON-court activity?

He is defending his fellow players, as I and others have tried to point-out.

Non-issue. If anything, ethical in his defense of the rest of the field.

Unfortunately, this just underscores your bias, your support for Djokovic, which undermines your argument. Federer got spanked. Congrats, Nole. Oh and Federer is a jerk?

This backfired, as you can see.

What was the mph of Novak’s FH. . . ;)


Wog Boy Says:

lapinroyal,

If you are still around, I will keep an eye on Felix Auger-Aliassime and his progress, but there is one smallish problem for me, he shares his birthday with Federer.. but in the name of our friendship I’ll pretend I don’t know that ;)


Daniel Says:

Agree MMT, think due to the advent of internet nowadays people pay way to much attention on interviews. This players are all Pollyanna for my take, what they do on court is what matters and show their true characters.

And they are all guilty of misbehaving one way or another: breaking racquet, telling people to be quiet, sending balls towards baby crying, threatening to end the game because they don’t agree with judge, fake bath breaks, faking injuring, timeout pre match point, dragging themselves on court just start running a few minutes later, pointing different balls out, grabbing the leg when opponent hit a winner, refusing to shake hands, bumping players during change over and so on….

See, not needing to name anybody and all top players appears at least once in that list. So… that is the ugly truth, they are all spoiled people millionaires with huge entourage and people wanting to be close to them. They love attention, are competitive, believe they re the best and have to portrait themselves in a way to not offend sponsors and be as gracious as they can because in the end, tennis still is a elite sport for gentleman. That’s why there is a net to avoid physical contact and only the mental battles and technique matters. That’s why I love it and is so tense.


Lapinroyal Says:

@WB
LOL
You discover my trick… (PS: Do not attempt to response any further to those trolling comment!)


Margot Says:

Also Daniel it’s so intense because you’re focusing on only two players most of the time.
I follow rugby quite closely and after a match, yes the captains of the teams are interviewed, but also the coaches and the man of the match and the goal-kicker if he’s had a good match. That’s 6 people already! Far less intense.
Sometimes the coaches can be far less gracious than the players.


J-Kath Says:

Kriket: I doubt the final will be as one-sided as the Nole v Roger.

GG: Konta had a reasonable chance of winning that match…but let’s watch her…think she’s going places.

Margot & Okiegal: At least Andy and Milos will know in advance what they might meet…doubt Roger did.

Finally Raonic too confident!


Wog Boy Says:

lapinroyal,

Ok, I promise no more that kind of responses.


Wog Boy Says:

Everything is open in final, Nole is playing great , but so Andy and Milos are. Nole has always extra motivation playing Roger..Sunday is a new day new oponent and new match, SF match is already history, history that I certainly like to remember ..


mat4 Says:

If there is a thing I have learned in all those years, it’s that people believe what they want to believe, hear what they want to hear, and, therefore, read what they want to read — and this, whatever is said, written, or has happened.

Anybody who has taken the time to read what I have written knows that it’s not what MMT and Matt infer.

And yes, I have commented a lot today, but mostly in French.

@Lapin:

Inscris-toi sur 15love-tennis.com


RZ Says:

In the Tennis-X bracket, Gypsy Gal is holding steady in 1st place. Margot is still 2nd followed closely by Jalep. I am still in last place and sad that no one has accused me of tanking or bracket-fixing. :-)


Margot Says:

Well RZ all I can say is you must’ve been high on something when you did your picks…
#innocentcommentnot


RZ Says:

@Margot – LOL. Not high, just know from experience that I do terribly on these and the only way I could win is with an upset of the favorite, so I picked the most likely upset knowing I only had perhaps a 5% chance of that happening. As much as I love the golden era of the big 4, dominance at the top makes the margins for winning much smaller and I had to take the risk on something spectacular happening.


Margot Says:

Ah right….so you predicted a Kyrgios/Gulbis final then? Hmmmmmmmm :)
Hope you don’t live near Las Vegas….;)


RZ Says:

No, it was Thiemo De Bakker vs. Dan Evans final. (That would actually have a 0.000005% chance of happening). Had there been money riding on this, I would have been more prudent with my choices.


chrisford1 Says:

Jane – It was a good Rolling Stone interview. Besides that, he has a good ATP interview on what Novak is like to work with and how his #1 player will soon have a level of popularity similar to past greats. A lot of things are rolling Boris Becker’s way.

1. His health and mobility are greatly improved.Hip operation, better lifestyle and diet. More exercise.
2. Out of the broadcast biz for a bit, showing he is a smart and perceptive coach and appropriately taking credit for some of his charge’s significant improvement.
3. Djokovic has a publicist, but Boris, with his broadcasting experience background, is doing fine double duty doing interviews everyone is seeking him out for and using the occasions to enhance the image of Djokovic as a great guy, and a champion on and off court. Becker is now Novak’s proud advocate.
4. The messiest detail of his personal life has turned out to be a win as well. The baby sired in a restaurant broom closet has become a 5’11″ much sought after fashion model, celeb and society A-Lister. She is past her 1st million dollars earned – at age 15. She looks like a far prettier version of Boris, with her mom’s Slavic high cheekbones. Becker said all the humiliation and trouble was worth it to have such a daughter.

Anna Ermakova Berlin Jan 21, 2016:
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2016/01/21/12/306A743800000578-3410108-image-m-34_1453380710983.jpg

5. The arrangement he, Marian Vadja and Novak made allows the 2 coaches time to be with family and work other parts of their lives. Vadja needed it, but Becker, too. At the time he signed with Novak, he had a son 13, a daughter 13, and his latest with his 2nd wife was only 3.


Lapinroyal Says:

@mat4
Je suis deborde… merci pour 15love-tennis.com


van orten Says:

Hey people around the globe …some important news here: Djokovic fans never ever troll..they are super relaxed and know how to put tennis results into perspective…
Spicing up my live da da da


Travis Bickle Says:

@van orten and madmax,

Your comments are fairly nasty and personal. Nothing wrong with that, as I support both nasty and polite comments on an internet forum.

However, it appears that Novak’s beatdown of your fave invoked an uncharacteristic amount of bitterness in yourselves.
I say relax, it’s just a tennis match! Epic beatdown, borderline humiliation, perhaps yes – but at the end, it’s just a game and life goes on.

Federer is an arrogant douchebag indeed – feel free to love and adore him all you want, but you can do that without being arrogant douchebags like him…


AndyMira Says:

Liked Madmax comment at 2:42pm,someone needs a hero on this thread to stand up to the bullyer..and there’s a bunch of them..


Wog Boy Says:

Call Captain America, he might be able to help you?


Vami Says:

@Jane
The handshake was cold; that photo proves nothing but that’s only my opinion – YMMV.


MMT Says:

“mat4 Says: If there is a thing I have learned in all those years, it’s that people believe what they want to believe, hear what they want to hear, and, therefore, read what they want to read — and this, whatever is said, written, or has happened.”

This is incredible – to read this, one would INFER that the only thing you’ve written is what happened. In fact, the truth is the exact opposite – the ONLY thing you’ve written that is factual is the question and answer to Federer.

Everything else you’ve written, from your characterization of he “lost his nerve”, “lost his composure”, “lost his self-control”, “ugly”,”harsh”, “offensive…in formal situations.”

Is not remotely what happened. It is entirely your interpretation and assessment of it. Entirely. But you’ve learned that people hear what they want to hear and believe what they want to believe.

Well, you’ve made the point, and you are the quintessential example of it.


Simos Says:

When fed wins a match, his fans say : oh he’s playing great tennis at his age, he’s the greatest, he’s unbelievable, he’s the God, etc etc.

When he lose : he’s old.

Bwahahaha!


Simos Says:

And now all fed fans like Novak to lose in the final. Childish and pathetic people. Bwahahaha!


mat4 Says:

@MMT:

Let’s start from the beginning.

I noticed an ugly part in Fed’s interview. I wrote precisely that I didn’t watch the interview (it wasn’t yet available), but you didn’t read that part. I also wrote clearly that I don’t think that Federer is arrogant, I quoted precisely the sentences in question to show it wasn’t that serious. Then, I explained what bothered me in the question, and what I thought was over the edge in the answer.

You gave a link for the video of the interview. Did you see it? The question and the answer were cut from it. Since the same question was asked to Novak, there are a lot of chances that the same journalist asked it: Ubaldo Scaganata, an elderly Italian whose knowledge of English is not perfect. If it indeed was him, it changes my assessment of the situation.

It is perhaps perfectly correct in the US to say to [an elderly] person that his question is stupid, but not in most European countries. I am not an expert for Alemanic Swiss, but I know quite well the mentality of the Helvetians, and it’s probably the same. What Federer said was far from decent, and he most probably lost a bit of his composure. You don’t have to agree with it, but think about the implications in the case he has not lost his calm.

You obviously have a few problems: you believe that American behavioural patterns are valid for other Westerners. It’s wrong. And Roger Federer is not an American.

Then, let’s review a few points: were the circumstances formal or not? They were. Is Roger Federer paid to give those interviews? He is, it’s part of his job. Was the whole situation ugly? Perhaps not in the States, but it says a lot. How would you feel if I wrote that your comments are stupid? Would it be ugly? It would. Is my assessment of Federer losing his composure for a moment right? Be serious.

I still believe that this whole debate is without point: I overall believe that Federer gave a excellent and honest interview, and I wrote it clearly. It wasn’t easy to do after a defeat in the semi of a slam. I emphasized that the question was devious, with a presupposition I don’t agree myself with. That’s all I did.

But if you ask me if Roger Federer is arrogant, I’ll answer that he’s not. He was often vain, but he’s matured well, the way we all did: learning the hard way, on our errors, facing difficulties.

I understand that you’re a bit touchy today, like many Federer’s fan here, but I understand, and I don’t blame you.


Dave Says:

The Wimbledon Final is almost 6 months away. Federer will be close to 35 at that point. It wouldn’t surprise me if his age starts to show. I don’t really feel like it has yet. He will be 35 and 1 month old during the U.S. Open. I think the only thing that shows in his age, is that he has mental lapses at times more than he used to and can’t stay in the zone as long, especially when he is under stress, like against Nole. I still feel like Nadal will come back stronger this year as well. Might not beat Nole, but can still beat Federer. This year will be an interesting year. I think Murray will be able to finally beat Federer this year as well at some point. I think having a child will change him and help him for sure. Someone commented about Federer getting back to number 2 because he is playing 2, 500 tournaments and Murray will take the month off. Federer is only scheduled to play 1 of the 5 masters 1000 tournaments between now and the French Open. Murray will likely play in all 5. I still see Murray being the number 2 seed going into the French Open. Murray has points to defend, but so does Federer. Rome final, 600 points. He won a 250 event on clay as well. I think Murray will come into March very fresh and hungry. I don’t think Murray will challenge for the number 1 spot this year, but I do think that he will do better than Federer and against Federer. If Andy doesn’t figure things out somewhat mentally this year against the top players, I just don’t see it happening. I do think he will though.


Margot Says:

Murray “finally beat Fed?” Already has.


Gypsy Gal Says:

Travis Bickle @6.58pm January 28th,Madmax is female and can speak for herself,but i doubt shes feeling too down about Roger losing, as shes delighted with all his career achievements,and shes happy to sit back and enjoy his tennis now and see what unfolds,and Novak is her second favorite anyway,so she will be happy hes in the final,anyway as i say she can speak for herself….


Gypsy Gal Says:

Simos@8.33pm January 28th,looks like your a newbie here,or an old poster with a new monikor,either way you shouldnt jump to conclusions or assume you know what people are thinking or wanting,as a matter of fact there are a number of Federer fans here that have Novak as their second favorite….


Bob Lewis Says:

This is just tennis, not a big deal. Someone has to win, someone has to lose. But still, that was worthy of some poetry:

This match was billed as the dream semi
But what a rout it was in the southern hemi
Nole played some perfect tennis
To the Fed, he was a menace
The Serb defies the laws of Newton
See what happens when you’re free of gluten
Boris imparts all that he knows
Last night he did not pick his nose
The third set could have been Saratoga
But the fourth showed why Nole took up yoga
Might as well join the World Series of Poker
Because tennis is ruled by the mighty Djoker!


Gypsy Gal Says:

Bob Lewis thats true,what Novak is continuing to do in tennis is amazing,i just dont think its fair to trash others all time greats….


AndyMira Says:

Agree with GG..i’m very surprised knowing so much people talking trash about roger,rafa and others..what they already achieved deserved respect from us no matter who we rooted for..reading what they wrote it seems like novak won 100 slam already!


Travis Bickle Says:

Nobody receives more trash-talk than Novak!
When 20000 idiots cheer every error you make, including DF, that is a pinnacle of trash – and Novak got that in both New York and Melbourne last night.
Doesn’t he deserve respect like “roger, rafa and others…’ you mention?
So please, stop whining about Novak fans disrespecting other players. What goes around comes around.

Novak was called “a joke” by Fedrer, Rafa laughed sarcastically when Novak said he could beat him at clay, even loser Rod-dick mocked Novak’s health issues. And that’s just disrespect from his rival players, rabid fans like you were even worse, even though you would deny it was you,,,

So, basically, these tracings he dishes to Roger and Rafa lately are nothing but a justice – call it payback if you will,,,


Van Persie Says:

Agree with that…I am starting to be pi.d of by some hypocrites Rafa and Roger fans…


Gypsy Gal Says:

Travis Bickle of course he does,ive defended Novak a number of times on this very forum long before you were even here,what hes doing today in tennis is simply amazing, i will admit i would like to see a new champion here as Murray is my second favorite,said it all to TennisGuy yesterday,so short of writing it all in blood theres not a lot else i can do im afraid….


Tennisfan Says:

Will people ever realise that the crowd isn’t cheering for Novak to lose, they’re cheering for Fed to win? It used to happen at Roland Garros to Nadal as well. No matter who it is, if an opponent is playing him during an important/tense match, the crowd always cheers their mistakes like that (happened to Goffin at Basel last year.) Its distasteful and trashy- but when have sports crowds ever been righteous or politically correct? At least they don’t start rioting at the tennis.


Gypsy Gal Says:

Cheering for Federer is one thing,cheering for an opponents errors ala Karlovic last year is taking things too far,IMO these people are not true fans just hero worshippers,and its all about negative tennis rather than positive tennis….


danica Says:

Please, do not say “you may as well hand him (Nole) the trophy”. Same things have been said after he beat Rafa at RG and look what happened. Don’t jinx it :)


Van Persie Says:

I remember Andy during Wimbledon 2013..semifinals against Janowicz. As expected the crowds were with Murray, and Andy has calmed the crowd a few times… I am not an Andy fan, I am not a Janowicz fan, but I appreciated Andys behavior in that match. I did not see that from Roger at the US Open 2016 finals against Nole. He appreciated how the crowd reacted and that was a sign of frustration.


Van Persie Says:

Correction US Open 2015


Tennisfan Says:

@GG

Yeah I agree that its distasteful and shouldn’t happen. But I also don’t think that crowds have a personal vendetta against Novak. He’s well liked. The only reason his mistakes got cheered at last night and at the USO was because the crowd wanted his opponent to win, as opposed to them trashing him or something.


Travis Bickle Says:

Don’t expect to see that from Roger!
YOU CANNOT COMPARE HIM WITH MUZZA1
Frderer = arrogant douchebag/egomaniac
Muzza = good and honest guy


Gypsy Gal Says:

Tennisfan Novak is well liked,and i remember how the crowd cheered for him in his RU speech at RG last year when he lost to Wawarinka,which brought tears to his eyes,say no more,even i cried….


Gypsy Gal Says:

TB go back and read what i said earlier about Madmax….


AndyMira Says:

Yeah..tennisfan..it happened at wimbledon 2008 too,rafa lead 2 sets o when roger bounced back and level the sets 2-2,remember that?The crowd went riot at that time..and this scenario wil continue to happen as long as roger still in the picture..and i think rafa and novak knew this fact and don’t feel bitter about it since in tennis ROGER IS GOD..


Van Persie Says:

Andy Mira, please do not offend the religios persons here…GOD is not arrogant!


AndyMira Says:

I’m so sorry if i offended someone religious here..it was not my intention at all..


Dave Says:

Margot,

I was referring to Murray not being able to beat Federer for a long time. In fact the last time he was able to beat Federer was the beginning of 2013. Pre-back surgery. And he has actually never beaten Federer since Federer has had the bigger racquet head. In fact, Federer has won the last 5 matches and 12 of the last 13 sets. So this is something Andy needs to turn around this year. Federer won’t make it easy for him though.


MMT Says:

mat4: The whole nonsense is based on a single word he said: stupid.

If he hadn’t said it, you wouldn’t have been able to mischaracterize it the way you did.

That’s a whole lot of nothing if you ask me.


MMT Says:

“skeezer Says: Weak era? http://www.news.com.au/sport/tennis/australian-open/roger-federer-is-right-to-be-angry-at-easy-era-claim/news-story/e2a326d88c2bd7e8b07125217bfeece0

The author is clearly a Federer fan who lacks the European sensibilities to see abuse of power and a lack of composure for what it is.


Margot Says:

@AndyMira
If someone is going to be offended by what you wrote….well they’re not going to last very long on the internet is all I can say.
@Dave
OK. Gonna happen soon, book it…;)


AndyMira Says:

Hi Margot..sometimes before we wrote something,we have to think it multiple times before we post it..in case we annoyed or angered someone..and sometimes such an innocent comment will triggered a very rude and nasty reply and i’m sure you as a senior posters here already knew that..but thank you it’s nice to read your comment..


AndyMira Says:

@MMT,thank you for the given link..i read it already..although i’m a rafa fan but i also appreciate the greatness of roger federer..as much as i want rafa to catch up with his 17 slam,i also don’t mind he stay up there forever..somehow it didn’t feel right for anybody to surpass him..am i crazy or something?He!He!


Margot Says:

@AndyMira
I try not to write anything that I wouldn’t say to their face, but, being no saint, don’t always succeed!
I wouldn’t worry too much, no point. Whatever you write most likely will offend someone.


AndyMira Says:

@Margot..of course..you’re most certainly right my dear..


Patson Says:

From the article skeezer posted:

“Djokovic’s more consistent battles with these players during his most dominant period is not necessarily a suggestion he has had to face a tougher group of core players.”

LOL. That’s the most ridiculous thing I’ve read today. These players include Rafael Nadal, Andy Murray, Roger Federer.

What the author fails to understand is that beating a peak Rafa Nadal on a consistent basis on ALL surfaces is ALL what you need to settle the argument, something NOBODY was able to do before Nole. And when you have to face Nadal and Fed for over 100 times in your career, you know you are living in a VERY VERY tough era.


jalep Says:

Brilliant Bob Lewis:

This match was billed as the dream semi
But what a rout it was in the southern hemi
Nole played some perfect tennis
To the Fed, he was a menace
The Serb defies the laws of Newton
See what happens when you’re free of gluten
Boris imparts all that he knows
Last night he did not pick his nose
The third set could have been Saratoga
But the fourth showed why Nole took up yoga
Might as well join the World Series of Poker
Because tennis is ruled by the mighty Djoker!

Have you put it to song, yet?


MMT Says:

Patson: In that case, Djokovic should lose the next couple of finals against Murray – that way the era will even stronger.


Patson Says:

@MMT

The fact that Nole has to play a prime Andy Murray and not a prime Andy Roddick is sufficient for the sane to say that this is a much stronger era. Winning or losing has no bearing on this reality.


MMT Says:

“Patson Says: Winning or losing has no bearing on this reality.”

A fascinating proposition for a sport based on…winning and losing. Of course, a player’s prime can be assumed to be anything, or it can be based on…winning and losing…specifically majors.

Extending the logic behind the ostensibly reasonable assertion that an era is stronger because there more major winners and more winner of majors in it. By this logic, the one who’s majors are the most impressive is Murray – look who he’s had to come through.

Of course if, as you contend, a player’s prime can be determined independently of winning and losing (strange even to say it, but hypothetical speaking) then one could argue that these aren’t at all these players’ prime. There would be this annoying coincidence that winning majors coincides with what one asserts is a players crime, but hypothetically anything is possible.

But sports doesn’t deal in hypotheticals – it deals in who won and who lost. A win is a win – doesn’t matter who it comes against or who else lost, because whoever they were, they’re weren’t good enough to win so it doesn’t matter what you assume their prime, their disposition or their zodiac signs are, or whatever else one presumes to factor into the analysis.


Giles Says:

Ghttp://metro.co.uk/2016/01/28/why-novak-djokovic-has-overtaken-roger-federer-as-the-greatest-tennis-player-of-all-time-5649557/
Calling all GOAT lovers. Skeezer are you listening?


jane Says:

jalep, thanks for sharing that poem by bob lewis; it’s awesome!


jane Says:

oh i see it was written here, just above your post – great job bob!


Patson Says:

@MMT

Player X raises his game’s standards from the highest standard it ever was, to even higher limits. And you’re arguing that the era is weak just because he was able to do so ?

How come you’ve missed the whole part where Nadal (yes Nadal, the guy who has 14 slams you know, not some random Joe) said this after Qatar: “I know nobody playing tennis like this ever. Since I know this sport, I never saw somebody playing at this level.”

You have one of the all-time greats saying that there is a player who has raised his tennis to another level – a level he has never known that was achieved before – and you are arguing that the era is weak. Really ? I mean really ?


Bob Lewis Says:

Nole isn’t the greatest yet. His overall career doesn’t quite matchup to Federer’s. But is his best (peak) level of tennis higher than Federer’s? There is strong evidence to win that argument, but those in Fed’s camp have some strong data too. I do think Nole’s is slightly higher.

Thanks to those that liked my poetry.


Bob Lewis Says:

To be the greatest, Nole needs to win the French Open. Winning them all at least once has become the standard. Most of us are assuming he will win at least once. But if he doesn’t, I don’t think experts and history will be lenient towards him. Even if he eventually finishes with the most grand slam titles. Each year it gets tougher, so hopefully it happens soon.


MMT Says:

Patson: As a tool of persuasion, “Really?” is by far the worst.

But to your question, I think we misunderstand each other. I have never argued that any era is weak or strong – in my opinion there is no such thing. It is a purely subjective assessment that has no bearing on anything that isn’t contradictory or logically incomplete.

That the current best player in the world plays the game a level higher than anyone ever has is self-evident because the game evolves – that’s no indication of the quality of an era or a champion. By this logic, Lleyton Hewitt was the GOAT in 2002 simply because he was the best player in the world at that time.


Bob Lewis Says:

Whose level of play was more impressive: Nole’s in the semi, or Cilic’s when he beat Federer in NY?


MMT Says:

Bob Lewis: Man that is a great question – I just watched the extracts from that match, and Cilic’s level was very high. I would say from a pure ball-striking perspective, Cilic was better (especially the serve), but Djokovic’s defense and transition was better.


chrisford1 Says:

Bob Lewis Says:
Whose level of play was more impressive: Nole’s in the semi, or Cilic’s when he beat Federer in NY?

============
You can pick a couple dozen players who had matches in “God mode”…so it’s not an apt comparison for evaluating who is the best, who is consistently good.
And its not about just the handful that have had dozens of matches played at the highest level. Its week in and week out DOMINATING the pack over a year or so span. So the discussion of at their best from the top former players, good writers, longtime fans and amateur players is about “THe Borg of 1980, Laver of 1969, Nadal of 2008 and 2010, Fed of 2006 and 2007, McEnroe 1983 where he dominated singles AND doubles, and NOvaks 2011 and 2015 seasons (so far).

Also Bob Lewis, my opinion is you have to weigh metrics besides “The 4 Majors!!”. Novak and Rafa have already passed Roger in Masters 1000 trophies. Rafa fails on the WTF Titles but has everything else of note – Davis Cup, OLympic gold, the H2Hs he has.
Competitive level counts strong era weak era.
Future criteria might involve their contribution to the sport, the qualities of a champion they had. Why in golf Bobby Jones is believed to be a bigger impact and greater player in the history of golf than Multi-Major!! Jack Nicklaus. Why Lance is being erased from the sporting pantheon. Why Bill Tilden and his chasing for young gay boys makes him a player the Tennis Hall of Fame prefers not to showcase.


Travis Bickle Says:

“Federer as a religious experience” Religions are known to create fundamentalisms throughout history. Naturally, Federer fans are closest of all fans to religious fundamentalists – they are completely brainwashed and blind in their current denial that there is someone who is better than their idol. It’s like a crazy cult, like Jim Jones’ cult, and we all know how that ended. So, if Novak keeps playing like he does, I am truly afraid for the well being of these Fed worshipers.
Look this poster here MMT, for example – bending over backwards to deny the obvious fact that Novak is not only better than Fed at this time, he is better than Fed ever was!
Last night at ESPN during Muzza-Milos match, Cahil mentioned he met bunch of former GS champs (men and women) from many different eras at some celebration during this AO. He said they were unanimous in their assessment that the level Novak showed in the first two sets against Fed was never seen in the history of the game. Note that this was opinion from a group of champions ranging in age from 30 to 80, and they collectively have seen a lot of tennis.
Of course, Novak fans would never compare him to religious experience but is he the best player that has ever played tennis – no doubt about that! He even may collect more GS trophies than Fed, despite the fact he had to earn them by beating Fed and Rafa – two greats who will end up among Top 5 of all times in anyone’s list.
However, even if he does not end up with most GS, he will still be the best player in the sport of tennis… until and if a new guy shows up and surpasses Novak’s level. But until that time, i.e. for the 1870-2020 period, Novak is the best player that the game has seen…
And that is what hurts Fed fans and makes them to behave like malicious lunatics when they watch Novak play, wishing desperately for his errors, double faults and even injuries. I predict, in a year or two, after several more humiliating beatdowns by Novak, they will accept that Novak is better than Federer ever was and either stop passionately cheer against him or even jump a bandwagon and admire the greatness!


skeezer Says:

^Yawn…


Lodhi Says:

@skeezer

Feeling sleepy dear ? Go to bed.


Tennisfan Says:

Novak fans are obsessed with Roger. Sad that they think Nole’s achievements can only be validated if they put Fed’s down. Novak is carving out his own history and playing unbelievable tennis right now- but apparently even that is not enough for some.


Purcell Says:

Skeezer: make sure you fix your mosquito net to ward off the irritant known as Bickle
Daniel @12:33……thanks, great post.
Tennisfan……..as above
It seems you have to go through ridicule and on to amusement with these Nole ‘fans’. Reading through just this thread I notice the usual Fed jibes, in fact a rather more ‘creative’ collection than usual. It’s fascinating how their insecurity makes them reach even greater heights of ridiculousness.


madmax Says:

Purcell,

You bring a sense of sophistication to this site. Just wonder whether you post under another moniker though and catch us all out with your sophistication!

Sadly, fans abound, around to bring our roger down. Never to be however, he is the greatest in our eyes and always will be.

Respect to Novak however for what he has done, is doing and will go on to do.

Roger has created too many wonderful arrays of pure magic over the years for him to be regarded as anything other than the best. It’s not sentimentality either.

Just a very special player. Never to be repeated.


madmax Says:

The real fans of Novkak, however, never post here any more. I have emailed the two who used to post in a wonderfully unbiased and respectful way.

They occasionally read TX but don’t want to be part of the bratpack. The new breed of so called Nole fans. They are the opposite to everything he stands for today, and I am not talking about Jane. She is a lady.


Gypsy Gal Says:

I cant understand why posters trash one all time great in favour of another,as its says more about them as posters IMO….


Gypsy Gal Says:

Novak is dominating mens tennis at the moment,but err hello theres still a number of other all time greats to consider before he even gets to Roger,am i missing something here?but i actually thought Borg,Laver,Emmerson,Samrass,Nadal all had more GS than Nole at the moment before we even get anywhere near Federer,and yes it is the GS that matter the most whatever anyone says,rather disrespectul to all the other all time greats in the game IMO….


Purcell Says:

No madmax. Once a Purcell always a Purcell. Haven’t a clue how to post under another moniker and I wouldn’t find it necessary anyway.
As you say, in essence, it’s how Rog plays, not GOAT arguments and surpassing 17 that makes him so special to us and his fans (and true fans of tennis.)
My admiration for your patient and realistic contributions continues.


skeezer Says:

@purcell re:830
Lol will do ;)


Purcell Says:

CF para 4, 5:36:
1. ‘Sired’ What? You make it sound like Boris’s brief encounter was some kind of medieval badge of honour.
2. Heard of nepotism have you?
3. Daily Fail; only fit to wrap chips
4. Beware….love fest number two is progressing.

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