Rafael Nadal Rolls Over Kevin Anderson 16th Grand Slam Title, 3rd US Open
by Sean Randall | September 10th, 2017, 11:14 pm
  • 247 Comments

Rafael Nadal finished off his 2017 Grand Slam season in near-perfect form by crushing Kevin Anderson 6-3, 6-3, 6-4 to win his 16th Grand Slam title and third US Open.

“Very happy,” Nadal said. “Been a great two weeks. Increasing level of tennis, increasing of confidence during that two weeks. I have this trophy with me again here in New York. Means a lot to me. There is no better way to finish the Grand Slam season for me after a very emotional season in all aspects.

“So very happy the way that I played, happy the way that I managed the pressure, and the way that I was competing during the whole event. Playing better or worse, the competitive spirit have been there in a very positive way all the time.”

The match didn’t have much drama going in because few if anyone thought the first-time finalist Anderson would be able to pull off the upset or even mount a challenge. But did anyone expect Nadal to drop just 15 points on serve to Anderson’s 45?

After three very difficult early holds by Anderson to start the final, you knew it was only a matter of time before Nadal would break through. And that’s what happened.

Both players started out edgy with Anderson actually holding his own in the longer rallies. But the South African was quickly under pressure on his serve fighting off break points in lengthy second and third service games.

Finally, at 3-all Nadal got the first break with the help of an Anderson double fault on deuce. And once Rafa got the lead, his game relaxed while Anderson’s fell apart.

Rafa ran off the last four games of the first then broke again for 4-2 in the second and it was over.

Nadal was terrific on serve losing just 7 points in first serve and only 8 on second the whole match. And he never faced a break point. He finished with 30 winners to just 11 unforced.

And at the net, would you believe Nadal finished 16 for 16? At some point over the year I heard one of the talking heads on TV declare Nadal the best volleyer in the game. Well, there’s the proof to back that statement up.

Great numbers from Rafa.

“I think I played the right match, the match that I have to play,” Nadal said. “I put a lot of balls in. I let him play all the time, and that was my goal, no? To try to have long rallies, to try to have long points, because he will try to play short.

“The first set was important for me, of course, after a lot of games that he had chances to lose the serve. He was holding, and finally he missed that forehand with the 3-All. That changed the rest of the match, because if you get to 5-All in the first set or tiebreak, playing against a big server like him, you are in trouble, no? But having that break before and keep going and convert the set, first set was so important for me.”

Meanwhile, Anderson, who was supposed to have the lethal serve, struggled on his own winning just 73% on first and a paltry 36% on second. And he had 32 winners to 40 unforced.

“Rafa made it very difficult for me tonight,” said Anderson. “I felt he got a lot of returns back. He varied his return position quite a lot. You know, one of the best defenders in our sport.

“I felt while I was getting a few free points, definitely less than normal, which I expected, I think it was really important that ball after the serve, and there was a lot of times I executed it well but there were a few times I didn’t, and that ended up costing me quite a bit against him.

“I felt he served really well. I sort of struggled a little bit adapting to the left-handed serve, and, you know, didn’t even get a break point throughout the whole match. It was definitely difficult, and I think he had a pretty good read on my serve, and he was getting my serve games and he was holding quite comfortably.”

For Anderson, who moves from No. 32 to 15 in the rankings, he probably won’t get back to a Slam final again. But unlike a lot of players, he got there. So full credit to Kevin for a great week of tennis and for a career event. If nothing else, even though he’s 31, he should be more of a factor going forward especially in Masters events where he’s struggled. But he too was a beneficiary of the absence of many of the top names. But he too took advantage while 126 players didn’t.

“Obviously very pleased of making my way through to the finals and having that experience,” Anderson said. “I mean, a few players, get that chance. It’s very tough. To step out on court against Rafa tonight, I learned a lot of lessons. It was a difficult match, up against somebody who has been on that stage over 20 times before.

“Definitely a few things I needed to have done better. Obviously I had my work cut out for me, but I think overall, obviously it’s been, you know, a very, very positive two weeks for me.”

Other than a bunch of missed break chances early in the first, it was near-flawless tennis from Nadal who moves to 5-0 against the South African.

The title was Rafa’s first on a hardcourt since 2014 Doha, snapping an 8-match losing streak in finals on his least favorite surface.

And the win also puts added distance between him and Roger Federer for the year-end No. 1 ranking. Federer can still make up the 1,800 or so point gap, but he’ll have to be almost perfect.

As for the draw, sure Nadal was gifted without having to face anyone in the Top 25. But, unlike just about everyone else – including Federer – he was the healthy one, he showed up and he took advantage.

Had Novak Djokovic, Andy Murray, Kei Nishikori and had Federer been 100% healthy, then who knows. But part of playing on the tour is being healthy. And Nadal’s had numerous health issues of his own, so this time he was on the other end.

Rafa also keeps the heat on Federer in the all-time Slam title race. He started the year three behind and going into 2018 he’ll also be three behind, 19 to 16.

“Well done for Roger that he is having an amazing season too and well done for me because I’m having a great season too,” said Nadal. “Let’s see what happens until the season and that’s it. The rest of the things — tennis is not all the Grand Slams, so there is tournaments to come and I’m excited about this last part of the season.”

Quite amazing that Nadal’s won two this year after coming up empty in 2015 and 2016.

“Of course after couple of years without competing at this very high, high level, very happy to be back and emotional year for you, and as I said before, no, just can say thanks to all the people that helps me every day,” Nadal said. “I have a great team and a great family that supports me and believe in me, and that’s a great help. Without them, of course is not impossible but almost.”

But next year he’ll be without Uncle Toni who was coaching for a final time at a Slam this week. Moya, though, has proven a worthy replacement so I don’t expect any letdown next season. Why would you from Rafa?


You Might Like:
Rafael Nadal v Kevin Anderson In The US Open Final, Who’s The Pick?
Kevin Anderson Wants To Be A Top 5 Player
Zverev Beats Anderson for 4th 2017 Title at Washington
Anderson, C-Busta Into Unlikely US Open Semifinals; Rafa, Federer-Del Potro Wednesday
Watch Roger Federer Half-Volley This Kevin Anderson Serve [Video]

Don't miss any tennis action, stay connected with Tennis-X

Get the FREE TX daily newsletter

247 Comments for Rafael Nadal Rolls Over Kevin Anderson 16th Grand Slam Title, 3rd US Open

t4t Says:

It is ironic that this year AO is supposed to be super fast and USO really slow. Is that true or just perception?
Congratulations to all Federer and Nadal fans for the success of their idols!


Rick Says:

Federina could lies. Be honest and stop lying to yourself. Federina can’t beat Del Potro at the US Open anyway. Del Potro kicked Federina’s ass for his US Open title.


Nits Says:

They both had a great year. Next year will be tough for the big four to hold all grand slams between them. Zverev and Thiem are catching up fast.


t4t Says:

This year is not like the years 2008, 2010 or 2013 for Nadal. In those years he looked, especially in 2013, pretty nearly invulnerable. The same cannot be said about this year.
Both Fed and Nadal benefited from the absence or injuries of Djokovic and Murray. But it is significant that it was they and not the lost generation or Nextgen which could take advantage. The gap between the big 4 and the rest of the field is huge.


t4t Says:

No wonder Fed mopped the floor with the field between 2003 and 2007 as did Djokovic between 2015 and 2016. Poor Murray seems to be unlucky. He got only a small window of opportunity.There is no doubt that these 4 are like superheroes who can usually only be beaten by one another.


Sivaji Says:

Congrats Rafa.. Enjoying your USO win


Margot Says:

Congratulations to Ruthless Rafa. Played very, very well I thought and really superb at the net.
Big congrats to all his lovely fans on here, especially: AM, Okgiel, Willow and even Giles!


Okiegal Says:

@Margot…..Thanks!! Going into this slam I just really did not see him lifting the trophy! I’m stoked big time! I guess Rafa’s got his mojo back……


Vince Says:

Looks like USO is his lucky slam..AO is his very unlucky slam.


Willow Says:

Thanks Margot and the rest for the congrats ;-) ….

Okie, AndiMira high fives , for GS number 16, yippee, super happy, and it feels great to put to bed the notion that Nadal is merely a CC player once and for all, this one really does feel all the sweeter for it, i wish the AO could start now lol ….


AndyMira Says:

@M!…Thank u once again for the congratz!…It’s unbelieveable considering the tough moments of the last 2 years…Alhamdulillah,Thank u God for giving him health & fitness this year…and that’s why i will not giving up on Andy as well…Anything could happen with God permission…

@Willow!!…Wooohooo!!..err…when to start dancing??haha…


J-Kath Says:

Congrats to all Rafa fans….too many to list but Okie/Willow/A.Mira and my new friend Humble Rafa with whom I had a spirited exchange last night.


AndyMira Says:

Thanks so much for the congrats JK…really appreciate it!!


Michael Says:

Congratulations to Rafa and his legion of fans for this spectacular victory taking his Slam count to 16 and tantalisingly close to Roger. Rafa doesn’t possess an elegant and graceful style like Roger, but he is brutally effective and is strong in all departments of the game. His vicious angled serve and volley are the most underrated parts of his game. Now with this win, he has stumped his critics who prematurely wrote his obituary at least in courts other than Clay where needless to say he is the undisputed GOAT. Only Novak’s resurgence can now protect Roger’s legacy of a male player winning most slams.


Nits Says:

I still couldn’t understand Djokovic decline.I hope he comes back strong and make the field more interesting.After Roger’s bad back and Zverev early exist.It was a foregone conclusion about Nadal chances.


squirrel Says:

Wow, congrats Rafa!! What an achievement, the most important HC title after not winning any after 3 years. His forms si so scary good, I hope Roger can comeback and both end the season playing very ell and challeneg each other until next year also.

Bog big congrats and warm hugs to Rafa fans: AM, Willow, Okiegal etc.

p/s: it’s nice to see nice and respectful posts from t4t. Recently, WogBoy and t4t have been very nasty in their comments. Hope for a better change..

Indoor season, let’s go!!


squirrel Says:

And as much as I want Roger to have the most GS single titles, I do feel that at the end of both’s respective career, they will end up with the same number of GS, or at most 1 slam difference between these two!


Van Persie Says:

Well done, Rafa! Now please make sure, you are Nr. 1 at the end of the year!


Margot Says:

We need a new topic now, “Can Rafa get 19?”
#catamongstthepigeons
;)


Giles Says:

The new topic will be “The fight for #1″.
Here’s hoping Rafa can get there!
Vamos Rafa!


Tennis Vagabond Says:

Not just a trophy won, but a Slam dominated. Rafa was head and shoulders above the field here, as he was at the French and Rog was at Wimbledon – what a strange year.

Not enough people are talking about this year in historic terms for Rafa, because Roger’s stretch of dominance overshadowed Rafa’s ‘full year’ of excellence.

Rafa’s early season losses were all to one man: Roger, in Australia, Indian Wells and Miami. Two of those were in the finals. Given that form, it is highly likely that, had Roger not captured lighting in a bottle for the first part of the year, Rafa would have won 3 Slams this year, as well as Indian Wells, Miami, Monte Carlo and Madrid. That would have been one of the great years of all time.

It is an ironic role reversal of the 2004-2008 years, when Roger would have won EVERYTHING had not Rafa stepped up and spoiled the party here and there.

Congrats to Rafa, who know holds 3 US Open, 2 Wimbledons, and 1 Australian Open. That is equivalent to an Edberg or Becker career, taking out his best surface, on which he has been the greatest ever.


Madmax Says:

Squirrel, well spotted.

Congratulations to all except Giles who deserves nothing except contempt and custard pies. Not accepting anything gratuitous from that lowlife who knows nothing about tennis except jealousy hatred lies and bitterness and how to spread them when he is able or she is able to form at least 2 sentences.

Oki Willow Andymira enjoy the party as you have been with rafa through thick and thin never giving up when the going has got tough, and it has for Rafa.

Willow you can never talk about cupcake draws again. I do believe this was a Usopen that had either Rogers or Rafas name on it and I am glad that Rafa was able to pull through after all of his efforts. As Sean said no one ranked 25 or under but, he did what he had to do, he never lost focus and he kept his eye on the goal! A gritty champion.


t4t Says:

Giles @ 8:27 am
Agree!
The fight for # 1 is on! I am hoping for Nadal to win just because I cannot stand all that excessive French kissing and ott cult type worship!


Tennis Vagabond Says:

One other point: Rafa is often derided by Other Three fans for lack of variety, lack of a Plan B. Its always been nonsense, but I hope this tournament puts it to rest.

The match against Del Potro in the semis was a virtuoso performance of variety. Fans confuse discipline in sticking with a working game plan with lack of variety. I.e. Rafa didn’t go cross0court to Fed’s BH all day, all night, in so many matches because he was incapable of any other shots. He did it because it worked. Against Del Potro, he targeted the BH in the first set, it didn’t work, so he adjusted tactics. He used the full court. He mixed in slices. He went down the line, he drop shotted and otherwise drew Del Potro to the net, and he came in quickly to the net at just the right opportunities for an incredible at-net success rate.


t4t Says:

squirrel, Sometimes the truth seems nasty! That said, I must say I like your posts. You are respectful of other tennis stars! Not fanatical like some others here!


t4t Says:

madmax there is a difference between the draw opening up because big names fall by the wayside and a cupcake draw which seems to be Fed’s in every slam i.e. Quarters filled with the injured, the old and the inexperienced or seeded players known to have never won against Fed and have no hope in hell of challenging him.


J-Kath Says:

I missed congratulating Giles who is a Rafa fan – but I’ve certainly missed something re. Madmax comment above. (forehead furrowed with worry)?

Also BBB – I also missed you – as I seem to remember you were always a Rafa fan.?

I do think the race for year end No.1 continues between Rafa and Roger – Roger always does well at the WTF indoor tournament so I’m “betting” he wins it. Rafa will need to continue to go deep in the tournaments running up to the WTF to insure his current position.

As I said before, who else will qualify for WTF adds an additional interest to to the next couple of months.

“Oh would the Lord the giftie gie us to see oorselves as others see us.” This applies to the undue critism from some posters for other posters – many of us are out-spoken and that’s really all it is.


AndyMira Says:

Madmax & Squirrel!…Thank u so much for the congratz!…Really really appreciate it guys!…

Squirrel!…Sorry,2 weeks late to wish u Happy Birthday..This is for u Bro!…Special from Malaysia!haha…

http://namebirthdaycakes.net/generated/Generated-Cover-09.11.17-1505138339578.jpg


Daniel Says:

Indeed TV. Andal adjusted a lot in delPo’s match. His return also. Even tough DePo serve stats were below par for his standar, lacking pace and precision, Nadal played a perfeclty tactical match.

Race for #1 is on and we have to see if Nadal will be able to win anything after this USO. In 2010 and 2013 he won’t nothing after, thibk he is Beihing title was 2008. Anyone knows if he’ll play there or just Shangai.

Also the who will qulify for Londo will be interesting. Fedal, Zverev abd Thiem are a lockx, but from there on there are 15 players who can. If the unpredictability of Masters continues in Shangai and Paris things can change fast.

As for Fedal a few questions:
Can Federer gets to 20? And or will Nadal ever catch Federer total Slam.

The later is with us since Nadal got to 14 but the first was unthinkable a few years ago.


BBB Says:

J-Kath, I always root for Djoker first, but I like Rafa and was glad he won. And as you know, I think highly of Andy.


Tennis Vagabond Says:

Rafa’s lead is almost insurmountable. There will be hope for us Fed fans, in that Rafa usually underperforms at this time of year, and Roger (sometimes) excels. But its faint hope, and Rafa can dash it in Beijing in a few weeks.

We’re going to have an unusually weak field for London, I expect. Instead of Stan, Novak and Andy we’ll probably have PCB, Querrey and Anderson. Not exactly a trade you’d take straight up.


skeezer Says:

Good morning all! Glad you made it through K, bummer about the damage ;(. Thoughts and prayers with the Floridians.
Congrats to Rafa and his fans, although he never had to play a top 25 player(Satellite Slam?) in the end it doesn’t matter. The record books will show #16, no matter what.
This goes to show that weak era, lucky era, lucky, fixed, privileged, H2H “ifs” and any other accusation has nothing to do with anything. What matters is that you enter, you play who is in front of you and win. Congrats to Rafa and his fans ( -Giles, Federina Rick, etc ), what a year he is having, and looking good.


Willow Says:

Thanks Madmax i never have a problem with draws, i might of mentioned the sheduling at times, which was a different thing altogether ….


t4t Says:

you are right skeezer, the record books would only show the number of slams won, not how many were won in a weak era or the cupcake draws and favorable scheduling which have contributed not insignificantly to Fed’s slam count!


Lylenubbins Says:

Bravo Rafa!! Endured the injuries and fought back and richly deserved this great season!!!


Giles Says:

madmax. Your post post at 8.44 am just proves what a contemptuous low life you really are. You continuously try to shade your true self by pretentious meaningless words to willow for example who by the way is not a true Rafan but just somebody who jumps on the bandwagon when it suits her. Anyway, not you or anybody is going to spoil this glorious moment for me so just stfu and don’t mention my name again.
I think YOU are the jealous hater! Hahaha. Squirm away!


Tom Says:

Congrats to Rafa but it’s sure hard to take the gloating that many Rafa fans are doing (across the social media world). Not playing anyone in the top 25 and the injuries just make this so hard to take. There were people ready to put an asterisk on Djokovic last year for the US Open (which he was lucky to get to the final) but at least he would have beaten Stan had he won. Look, I get you play with the people you faced, but to say he’s better than Feds and that he would have won with Murray or Djokovic there is a bit disingenuous by some out there. At least most of you here acknowledge that he got lucky, but man, it’s so hard to take the Rafanatics at times. Here’s hoping that Djokovic, Murray and the rest of the crew return quickly.


squirrel Says:

Cheers t4t and Madmax. For more respectful doscussions to come :)


squirrel Says:

Owhhhh thanks AM!! You’re sooo sweet as usual. Hope you’re having a lovely day with this Rafa’s win! :)


RZ Says:

Rafa is simply amazing.

Such an interesting tournament, and one that saw players who had made returns this year from lengthy injury lay-offs do really well.


skeezer Says:

“….the cupcake draws and favorable scheduling which have contributed not insignificantly to Rafa’s slam count!
So true t4t, so true.


t4t Says:

Giles @ 10:51 am
Agree that Bullow does not appear to be a True Rafan. She comes here to bully hapless victims like me! She called me stupid, denied calling me stupid and then in the next breath accused me of lacking comprehension skills. I may not be a PhD in English but I know that lacking comprehension skills means stupid.
Also agree that Fedfans are hurting and jealous although before the USO they claimed (especially madmax) that they were satisfied with what Fed had achieved this year. Their jealousy makes them harp on Nadal’s lower ranked opponents. But he beat Delpo who had taken out their Fed.


t4t Says:

skeezer @ 11:05 am. I don’t think anybody can say Nadal receives favorable scheduling or cupcake draws. Even at Roland Garros, he was made to play at SL. Sometimes draws open up as did USO 2017 for Nadal but his draw was not cupcake. Fed however receives cupcake draws and doesn’t have to depend on draw opening up to get a cakewalk. It is a cakewalk from the get-go as drawn up by the fairy godmother!


t4t Says:

RZ @ 11:01 am
A truly amazing year! Who would have thought at the beginning of the year that this would be a battle between Fed and Nadal? It was supposed to be a battle between Djokovic and Murray for #1!
Hope next year Djokovic and Murray return healthy and ready to fight. I miss them!


Daniel Says:

Slams plays different ref their schedule. First three rotate the stars in other courts. Thue years, FEdal played allt heir matches on Ashe. also for the lack of star power as well. But as USO has night sessions they will always play on Ashe, even when one played day and the other night.


Daniel Says:

Fed has to make ground in next 3 tourneys he plays and enter WTF with less than 500 pts away from Nadal. This way even if they boith reach finals undefeated, if he wins the title (he gains 1550 pts and nadal 1000 pts) he can be #1. Or if they are to play semis, one will know the other down.

We could vey well have the #1 rankign decided in last match of the seaosn. Pretty much it will go to WTF.

As for Nadal, for him is better to enetr WTF haviong to win 2 matches in RR to secure #1.
But if he doens´t reach a sinle final in next 3 tourney he plays: Beijing / Shangai and Paris (which is very possible to happen), #1 will be decided in London.

Beijing / shangai will bre crucial for him as Shangai/Base for Federer. Because after this stretch will have a better look at rankings and possible scenarios.

Right now Nadal is the deservign #1: 2 Slams, 2 Masters, a Slam Ru and a Master rup;

Fed has 2 Slams, 2 Master, a Massters rup and a Slam QF.

It can change if Fed wins more and Nadal doesn’t.

should be close if both are healthy.


AndyMira Says:

@Squirrel!…You’re very much welcome Bro!!hehe…Enjoy your ‘cake’ okay??Hahaha…

Oh!..bout having a lovely day….urgh!…i’m like zombie today bro!…woke up at 3:30am and not sleeeping at all…I’m really glad NA swing was over!!..A few more weeks..i’m pretty sure fangs will slowly showed up in my mouth!!Hehehe…


skeezer Says:

t4t,
You talk bs talk, nothing you say you can back up. You just say the same false jabber about “cupcakes” and p!ssin on Fed any way you can.


SG1 Says:

I would call Rafa’s draw a “cupcake” or a “killer”. There DelPo was in there a young and very talented Rublev. There was also Dolgopolov. Good opponents. A DelPo unfettered by wrist issues can beat anyone on any surface.

Drawing Anderson in the final was a boon for Rafa. Kevin Anderson is a powerful baseliner but he’s not nearly consistent enough or versatile enough to knock out a Rafa playing at his B+ level or better. It was a good break for Rafa to draw a guy he’d never lost to.

Rafa hit a great many forehands short in the first two sets but Anderson wasn’t good enough to make him pay for it. I have no doubt that an in-form Djokovic and early 2017 Federer would have made Rafa pay dearly for hitting all those short balls. But, you can only beat the players in front of you. Rafa did that and tallied up his well deserved 16th major title.

There’s a saying in sport that you should never get too high or too low. Rafa played very well this year but if there’s anything that we can take from this year it’s that the preceding year has no bearing of the following one.


SG1 Says:

And the same goes for Federer.


SG1 Says:

I WOULDN’T call Rafa’s draw a “cupcake” or a “killer”.


RZ Says:

I don’t know why we keep talking about draws. Who a player draws to play is out of his/her control. Sometimes they get lucky, sometimes they don’t, but the draw is not a factor that they have any say in.


Daniel Says:

“if there’s anything that we can take from this year it’s that the preceding year has no bearing of the following one”

Very well put SG1, if next year neither Fedal win a single Slam it wouldn’t chock anybody.

And we don’t know in which form Djoko, Murray and Wawa will return.


BBB Says:

Sometimes this discussion feels like Groundhog Day.


Tennis Vagabond Says:

Actually, I think Del Potro is going to be in the slam mix as well. Rafa was absolutely on fire, and Del Potro had a serious drop off in serve and FHs resulting in that drubbing. The real take-away though is that Del Potro can hit the BH. That weakness is, I think, gone. He’s going to be dangerous.

As Daniel says, if Novak, Murray and Stan are full strength, and Del Potro is healthy, and Thiem and Zverev are a year better… wouldn’t surprise me if Fedal are shut out. I think fans of both players consider 2017 an amazing bonus to their careers. I certainly hope Fed can keep the early 2017 form up, but I am not pinning my emotional wellbeing on it, lets put it that way. I don’t think he is either – he certainly didn’t look emotionally crushed in his loss to Del Potro, nor did Rafa in his Oz loss.


Daniel Says:

TV,

It is as if Federer himself didn´t lebieve he could win USO and third Slam in a season. Pre tourney he was already saying it would be a joke. This affcet the mindset overall. also knowing he had a bad timing injury as well.

I think he had glimpses of great form in USO, far better than canada. And with fall comining in I think he will have great resuls again.

Also, the fileds will be more deplated. For example, Basel will have no Raonic, Kei, Djoko, Wawa, all players who played there before (even Nadal). Fed is consolidate as #2 so the draws will be easier, Zevrev and Thiem him and Nadal will only face semis onwrads, so if only he can avoid early upset from players who on a good day can do some damage: Krygios, Shapovalov, Poullie, Isner, Coric, Querrey He shoudl be fine.

He will have 4 more weeks before Shangai start, so his back should be fine by them.

Actually, this is the first time in don’t knwo when, we have Nadal and Federer holding top 2 spots in ranking together. Anyone can check when was the last time.


BBB Says:

RZ – Tiger Woods once said it takes luck to win any tournament. So to me it’s irrelevant whether a particular player got lucky. You still have to do something with your good fortune.


Okiegal.... Says:

@BBB 1:03………I hear you……….


Willow Says:

Giles and t4t, insult me all you like, this Rafa fan who you both dont think is one, is so delighted the guy has 16 friggin GS, thats all i care about, but knock yourself out if you want, i dont care ….


Willow Says:

BBB / Okie right on ;-)


Humble Rafa Says:

Congrats to Rafa and his fans ( -Giles, Federina Rick, etc ), what a year he is having, and looking good.

This alone is worth another grandslam.


Humble Rafa Says:

I am so glad I was able to give uncle Toni the send off he deserves. He took an imperfect young boy and created a monster out of him. I wouldn’t have done it without him.


Okiegal.... Says:

@Squirrel…..Thanks for the congrats!! He’s had an awesome year just like Roger!

I want to thank everyone for their good well wishes regarding Rafa.Tried to answer all separately because that’s the proper thing to do…..as my Mommy taught me….but I know I have missed some…..so to the ones I missed. here’s a big THANKS!!


Willow Says:

Thanks Squirrel for the FB messages, and to everyone else for all their congrats ….


gonzalowski Says:

Congrats to al Rafa fans!!!

the absence of some great ones like Nole, Murray, Nishi, Wawa etc, and defeats of Fognini, Berdych, Dimi … favored him, but very deserved title.
Before arriving at the London Finals, it seems that Nadal will play the ATP 500 in Beijing and Basel, as well as the Masters 1000 in Shanghai and Paris.
It seems that the two years in which Rafa was finalist of the MC were the ones that won the US Open, let’s see if this year repeats.

Congratulations to the Nadalistas !!


Lylenubbins Says:

I bet Rafa has a great indoor season because he will be ultra confident. As long as he can stay healthy…


J-Kath Says:

Giles: If Willow isn’t a true Nadal fan – then no-one is. You know better.

T4t: Your views have been interesting and you have successfully challenged those who wish to dominate – with humour most of the time. However, please pause and think again before you make remarks that are are not true about people who are well liked and well established on Tx. Willow is wonderfully individual and has many friends here. She is one of the most loyal Rafa fans but that does not mean she doesn’t appreciate others.

Apart from that many of us have enjoyed your spirited comments….I seem to recall Willow commented favourably re. yourself as well.

PS: I was born hating what I believed were injustices (did my stint on Speaker’s Corner, Hyde Park, London on a Sunday.


Humble Rafa Says:

He’s had an awesome year just like Roger!

I had a better year than him. A few #10 titles, Number 1, you know, those type of things.


Wog Boy Says:

I hope Rafa fans don’t mind, but as Vilander said after USO …

“the only man who can beat this Rafa is Nole”

..so this is about Nole, he is seriously getting ready for the next season, posted this picture with a comment “I needed parachute to stop me from taking of”, check the Nole’s photo in this link, the news is in Serbian:

http://www.rts.rs/page/sport/sr/story/38/tenis/2866368/djokovicu-potreban-padobran-da-ne-poleti.html


Wog Boy Says:

Silly me, instead of me trying to translate translation I colud post the original:

https://www.instagram.com/p/BY3-7l9DGh5/?hl=en


BBB Says:

Good to see him training hard when it’s only September. I hope he gets his mojo back.


Wog Boy Says:

BBB,
That is excatly why I have my doubts about his return, whether or not he’ll have right mindset for successful return, mindset that he lost somewhere after winning that elusive FO.
I’ll give him one more chance (last one) and will go to watch him in Januray;)


BBB Says:

If you’re an athlete, you’re better off not being terribly intelligent.


AndyMira Says:

Regarding Wilander’s comments in WB’s post….Yeah!he’s right of coz!…Not only Nole can beat this Rafa BUT Rafa also can beat Nole when Rafa in this mode…They beat each other many times in the past…But 1 thing for sure..if they’re meet when Rafa in this mood..it’s going to be one h@#$ of a match!…Can’t wait!…

I have this feeling in my gut,that seeing the success of Rafa & Roger will invoke the ‘beast’ in Nole…not because he’s jealous of their success..no..but the desire to do the same..the challenging nature in him,wants to do the best like his closest rivals did this year is too strong to contain…So,i expect a very rejuvenated Nole when he’s return…i will not be surprised if he bagged a few slams himself!…the question is…how many?Ohohohohoho!!…2018 certainly going to be interesting indeed!!


Rick Says:

Sucks to Markusoka and her boyfriend Federina. I knew that Federina wouldn’t do well at ths US Open. When the housewife was being thrashed at the final of Rogers Cup, and had to play five sets in the first and second round for the open. Now that with her confidence is gone. It would be difficult for her to win for the remaining of the year.


Rick Says:

When Nole,Del Potro and Rafa are in their mode. They could send Federina back home to rest again easily.


Okiegal.... Says:

I believe the “real” humble Rafa would be one of the first to expound on the good year Roger has had……..just saying………..R&R have always liked and respected each other, it’s their fans that can’t deal with the rivalry……..for the most part……..


AndyMira Says:

Yeeaahhhh!!…Very agree Miss Okie From Okla!!


t4t Says:

Jk thanks for taking the time to address me about Willow. But my opinion of her has been formed by her interaction with me.She called me stupid almost immediately after I started posting and she followed it up with the allegation that I lack comprehension skills. Surely you don’t expect me to think she is a wonderful person? I am not masochistic. She made a snide remark about Jane ( apparently a poster who comes here off and on) because of her tweet which was really hilarious. Her attack on me and on the mysterious Jane stem from her desire to “curry” favor with Fed fans.


t4t Says:

skeezer @ 12:03 pm. Touched a raw nerve? All Fed fans know that the special treatment given to their Fave boosts his chances of a win. Remember Wimbly 2007? Or why go so far. Remember this Wimbly? Djokovic and Nadal were repeatedly consigned to Court #1 whereas your idol played all his matches on CC despite being lower ranked than Nadal.


Vince Says:

joker will never be same..he will not win anymore slams.


Van Persie Says:

WB,

Thank you for the information about Nole.
My feeling the same: after winning the FO, Nole’s hunger was gone…looking forward to next year’s tennis tournaments. I miss him :)


Willow Says:

Thanks J-Kath im a true Rafa fan, and Murrays my second favorite, but i can still say it till im blue in the face, and some still wont believe me, but thats them with a problem not me ….

t4t for the last time i never personally called you stupid ….


Willow Says:

And by the way Giles thats a pretty awesome picture of Rafa, many thanks for sharing ….


Wog Boy Says:

“joker will never be same..he will not win anymore slams.”

I already heard that, the only difference was different names, Rafa and Roger instead of Nole.
Let’s wait and see, patience is a virtue.


Wog Boy Says:

VP,
My pleasure and agree, physically he will be even better than before, he has that king of body, like a fiddle, but big question mark is what will be in his head and how determined he will be to get back to the top.
It is worth waiting to see what will happen:)


Wog Boy Says:

^^ should say “kind of body” but “king of body” is ok too;)


Humble Rafa Says:

Some people have asked to opine on the taste of the US Open trophy – It’s Meh. FO trophy tastes the best.


AndyMira Says:

@HR!…heh heh heh…LOL!!


Willow Says:

Saw that link on FB this morning, its fantastic to see Rafa sticking two fingers up to the haters and naysayers, and putting to bed once and for all that he can only win on clay, is one dimensional, blahdy blah, well to the haters and naysayers up yours ;-) ….


Willow Says:

AndyMira disagree with HR, although winning a 10th FO was awesome, it was all the sweeter to see him winning another HC GS ….


AndyMira Says:

Agree Willow!!…BUT,HR is HR will!…He@she will never change…why mess our head thinking about a sarcastic humour from HR will?What he@she said doesn’t reflect the truth…just nod our head or ignore him@her…at least he @ she didn’t insult @ badmouthing rafa like other people…so,that’s pretty much okay with me Will…


AndyMira Says:

@Giles!…Thank u so much for posting that link!…Oh God!!…Miss old Rafa soooooo much!!


Willow Says:

Each and everyone of those 16 MPs , were absolute heaven, 16 GS still cant believe it, its amazing, who wouldve thought it eh ?,i never thought in my wildest dreams that Rafa would ever win more GS that Pete Sampras, wonder if Pete thought in his wildest dreams that when Roger surpassed him, that another player would go on and do the same hmm ? ….


t4t Says:

Roland Garros 10th slam is definitely more prestigious than a US Open third. Why would the views of jealous fans of other stars lead certain fans here to rate a 3rd victory at US Open above a 10th victory at RG?


t4t Says:

Sampras is reconciled to being passed. I wouldn’t be surprised if Djokovic too goes past him.


Willow Says:

Its all a matter of personal preferance in the end, no big deal ….


Willow Says:

Novak also passing Sampras, theres a great possibility of that happening too ….


gonzalowski Says:

thanks for the posts Giles, nice to see it again!

last GS for Toni Nadal, who thanks Carlos Moya and Francis Roig for some Rafa’s improvements like 2nd service, and confidence. About GOATitude, he puts Roger, and maybe Laver, above Rafa


Willow Says:

Rafas an all time great, and thats always been good enough for me, the rest is all too self serving ….


Okiegal.... Says:

@Giles…….Thanks for the links. I love the one of the huge pic of Rafa in downtown NYC……AWESOME! He will miss his Uncle Tony big time. This will be an adjustment for him and sad too…..they are tight!! VAMOS!!


Okiegal.... Says:

The link Giles posted regarding Rafa’s championship match points…..Novak is always so gracious at the net…..and it’s plain to see that Rafa owns Roger………….King of clay and just pretty darn good on other sur-fraces!
VAMOS!!


Giles Says:

Oki. Your very welcome, glad you enjoyed it as I did.
Regarding Uncle T, I’m pretty sure he will be lurking around! Lol


Willow Says:

Would really love to have the AO start right now lol ….


SG1 Says:

Don’t think Federer, Nole, Stan or Andy want the AO to start right now :)


SG1 Says:

Wonder if Roger will play RG in 2018 with the defense of his 2017 Wimbledon crown in mind. I think he skips RG in 2018 and will make his final appearance at RG in 2019 and then hang up the Nikes at the end of the year. Of course if Roger should win Wimbledon in 2018, I’d say all bets are off.


skeezer Says:

^Agreed. No way he plays RG. Why? I liked his routine this year, lay off the Mud.


SG1 Says:

Would be pretty incredible for Federer to win Wimbledon at 37 and hit 20 slams in the process. As for Nadal, if he’s healthy, he gets number 11 at RG. Can’t see another outcome. Of course, when you’re in your 30′s health is such a wildcard. Even in your 20′s.


SG1 Says:

TV,

DelPotro’s backhand is still a liability. During his run, there was some stat on USA Network indicating that he was hitting his backhand at 81mph in 2009 when he won. His backhands are now down to a batting practice 67-70mph. Clearly, he’s not going to scare anyone with 67-70mph backhands. The truth is that the surgeries may no longer allow him to hit the ball like he used to from the backhand side and it’s a liability that is exploited by every player he lines up against.

I was pulling for DelPo to win this tournament but when you get to the end of a major, you inevitably will run into someone pretty damn good. Those guys at the end will make any player pay for having a clear weakness. I hope that his backhand will continue to improve. Seeing DelPo win a slam in 2018 would be on par (…at least for me) with watching Goran get his Wimbledon trophy in 2001.


SG1 Says:

The fact that DelPo can still hit 111mph forehands is scary and it’s what allows him to make a living.


SG1 Says:

“…lay off the Mud.”

LOL


SG1 Says:

Roger would only have a paltry 18 majors sans le Mud…:P


t4t Says:

Poor Federer is scared of Nadal on le Mud and gets nightmares when he thinks of all the times he got spanked especially the bagel he was force fed (!!!) in 2008! Ha ha ha!
In fact he is scared of Nadal period. He tanked his USO semi finals in 2010 and 2011 when he had matchpoints. He tanked USO 2013 and USO 2017. The only surface on which he isn’t scared is Wimbledon.


Humble Rafa Says:

lay off the Mud.

Lay off the bed. 4 is enough. Can’t afford 6 at your performance level?


Daniel Says:

I always had in mind that Nadal could win 12 RG titles. But that is the max imaginable number. He would have to do it at 32 and 33. Even for him is a tall order. With the form he is at now, next year seems possible. But anyhting can happen and as SG said, their healthy, after 30+ is key.

Both Nadal and Fed had healthy issues after 30 and Djoko and Murray had as well this year as they turned 30.

But for him he is having one of his best years healthy wise. Even the relatively early losses he had will happy long run and he can play a full schedule and next 4-5 tourneys still healthy.


Wog Boy Says:

It looks to me like there is a sort of anticlimax on TX, like semimourning, even the threads are written halfhearted, there is only one thread actually, due to not predicted and desired result.
I am trying to imagine how many threads would be, all the possible (and impossible) analysis of the match, post match, pictures, videos of best shot, videos and pictures of day after in NY etc, if the result of USO was different.
Well, shit happens;)


t4t Says:

It is not tennis if Fed ain’t there.


BBB Says:

VP – Andre was a very good choice for Nole. I think they have similar intellectual and philosophical dispositions. I had the feeling from Nole’s post-2016FO-match remarks that he and his family sacrificed a lot to get the wraparound slam, and in retrospect it was quite natural to feel empty afterwards. There’s a reason it’s nigh impossible to do.


Okiegal.... Says:

@Wog Boy 2:54…….You got it, Forrest Gump!!! Lol A good comment and spot on…….


Okiegal.... Says:

@Giles…..Like I said ❤️❤️❤️❤️ It!!! More please…..like hot shots!!!


t4t Says:

Giles is the #1 Rafa fan here. Maybe tied with Okie. Bullow might be a Rafa fan but most certainly not #1 ( which is what JK seemed to imply). She often seems to be ashamed of Nadal and very negative about his achievements. Also quite hostile to Uncle Toni, a coach who is probably most responsible for making Nadal the great champion he is. I am sure Djokovic or Murray or even Federer would kill to get him on board.


t4t Says:

Ok, ‘bye for now guys and gals. I will be back when Fed is playing the remaining events fighting for #1. Hope for an exciting finale at the WTF where the final will decide the winner!


James the 1st Says:

Nadal is nearly 2000 points ahead of Federer this season and will likely play one more event that Federer. Unlike last year, this WTF final will decide nothing about who will be the year end #1. It would have been decided when the WTF takes place.
Sorry Federer fans, but unless Nadal is injured or some unforseen thing happens, the year end #1 will be Nadal. Federer would be the deserving year end #2.


Humble Rafa Says:

It still feels good after 3 days. For part time house wifes looking to become year end number 1, know that it is not a part time job. I played a full season and will be deserving number 1.


Van Persie Says:

BBB,

I understood Novak very well. 2011-2016 were amazing tennis years for him, but as you said, he sacrificed a lot for that. He needed this break.
I would be very happy, if he came back hungry for success again, but even if not, I would live well with that. That FO from 2016 took also the pressure from me, as a fan :)


Danica Says:

Hello guys after a long time :).
Just stopped by to congratulate Rafa and the fans for this amazing win. Well done, very, very well done Rafa!! Hard work and belief paid off and really, there was not one even close to beating him.

Fedal won two and two this season. Wouldn’t mind Nolandy to repeat in 2018 :). More than anything, I’d love them all healthy. I cringe at the thought of injuries.

Rafa for the YE #1.


AndyMira Says:

Thank u Dani for the congrats!…About Nolandy…hey hey hey!…me too don’t have any doubt that those 2 once again will play a serious catch up with Fedal…maybe not at the beginning since they’re maybe a bit rusty but later on…fasten your seat belt guys!…We’re gonna have a fantastic ride!!…Who will come out on top??Let’s find out!!Wooohooo!!


squirrel Says:

I have to agree that it’s very quiet here after Rafa’s win. No threads on post-match, videos, pics etc. Weird..


squirrel Says:

@AM

Still in ecstatic mood I see?? hehe keep it up!!


AndyMira Says:

Hey hey hey Squirrel my Bro!!…How r u today??Hope you’re feeling happy & healthy today bro!…About ecstatic…i’d rather feeling ecstatic than in ecstasy Squirrel!!..hehehehawhawhaw!![donkey laugh]…


Humble Rafa Says:

This is a forum that worships the Arrogant One for the most part. Hence no videos of me winning. Readers of this forum don’t like to see this type of news.

Coming up next week. Arrogant One’s dog turns 5 (with full commentary and videos).


the_mind_reels Says:

Late to the party here, but just wanted to chip in my congrats to Rafa fans as well! It’s surely been an incredible year for him, and just when it looked like Federer was pushing the slam tally perhaps just out of reach, Nadal reminded us all why he’s an all-time great.

I’m excited to see what these two can produce this fall as the season enters its last stretch.


rognadfan Says:

Coming late, thanks to Irma; but big congrats to Rafael Nadal.


gonzalowski Says:

Solidarity with those who have suffered Irma.

Hacked the Twitter account of Rafa Nadal.

“I have recovered. I regret what happened, ” has said Rafa.
There was some retweet, of a political nature (on the situation in Catalonia), that does not fit into the philosophy of the account and of the tennis player himself.

and at last, Congrats to Serena and her baby! Alexis Olympia Ohanian Junior


skeezer Says:

Since when does HR need “videos” of himself? Ahem….


Humble Rafa Says:

Skeeze,

Your 2nd oldest cat, Charlene’s birthday today. Have a good one, Charlene.


Humble Rafa Says:

Alexis Olympia Ohanian Junior

It will be nice if the parents are married.


skeezer Says:

You’re ao obsessed with cats you must own them. I don’t . Say hi to Julio for me, you know, the male one.


Humble Rafa Says:

Skeeze,

What’s next? Just like the Arrogant One, you are going to unleash your wife (hypothetical, of course) on me?


Lucas Kubot Says:

2018 is going to be very exciting. The Big Four plus NextGen is going to be unbelievable.


skeezer Says:

^ comedy hour was over an hour ago. Didn’t see you in it. Good thing.


gonzalowski Says:

lol! brainy and wise article :)

No, seriously; not agree with it. I prefer this from
Financial Times
https://twitter.com/Multi_Deporte/status/907016072372670464

(‘and they said we were done’)


Willow Says:

Gonzalowski and Giles thanks for the links, just a bit of fun here, but imagine the conversation had Rafa won the AO in January, there would be just the 1 GS seperating the two men hmm ….


Willow Says:

TMR and Rogernad fan thanks for the congrats ;-)


Giles Says:

Gonza. Where’s the article?


SG1 Says:

“This is a forum that worships the Arrogant One for the most part. Hence no videos of me winning. Readers of this forum don’t like to see this type of news.”

—————–

If the “Arrogant One” played Joe Blow Nobody in the final, even his air play would be down a bit.


Willow Says:

Why cant people just be happy when their favorites win, rather than trashing other players ?


Dave Says:

I haven’t posted a comment in a long time. I just thought I would share this article. I thought it was very interesting. Calculating numbers can be very valuable to understanding how difficult it is to win a major based on your draw. The numbers don’t lie here, that’s for sure. There was so much talk about how easy Nadal’s draw was and so I thought it was only fair to look at everything and not one major. So this article will help to clear things up.

https://www.economist.com/blogs/gametheory/2017/09/draws-tennis


Dave Says:

Also interesting in the article was the winning percentage against other big 4 members at majors. Rafa 74% winning percentage. Federer 42% winning percentage.


AndyMira Says:

Hey Dave!!….It’s that u??Oh God!…long time no ‘see’Dave!!..I’m very glad u came!…Please post your comments more Dave…i mean it!!


AndyMira Says:

And thank u for the link Dave…I admit i already read that article yesterday but thank u very much for willing to share it here dave!…I’m sure other’s will appreciate your effort too..


kjb Says:

@Dave

“Also interesting in the article was the winning percentage against other big 4 members at majors. Rafa 74% winning percentage. Federer 42% winning percentage.”

It would also be interesting to see what the percentages would be if 30 year old Rafa, Nole and Murray would have to deal with 25 year old Fed. Apart from Rafa, the majority of Feds losses to the Big 4 have come after Fed was 30.


Dave Says:

Ya there has been a lot of talk about Federer being in his 30′s and so anything 30 or older doesn’t basically count as anything as far as losses go. I’m not one of the people that buy into that at all. I have talked about this in the past and I will give my opinion on this. It really won’t surprise me whatsoever if Nadal, Djokovic and maybe even Murray win More majors in their 30′s than Federer ends up winning. And it wouldn’t surprise me if it isn’t even close with Nadal and Djokovic. For people seeing things objectively it will blow all that Federer in his 30′s talk out of the water. If Nadal or Djokovic were to end up winning 8 or more majors in their 30′s what are people going to say? Oh that’s amazing because they weren’t in their prime anymore. What they lose in their 30′s they gain in overall developing of their games. Better volleying, serving, backhand, forehand. Playing more intelligent as they get older. And than if Nadal or Djokovic end up winning so many majors in their 30′s, like 8 or more, Federer supporters will just say it’s because it’s a weak era and that’s why they did it. So discrediting what one person does over another. With this overall elo, it shows the level of competition over Federers whole career. In the end, there is no point in discrediting people whatsoever. And I didn’t share this article to do that. I just noticed that people were literally going off about how easy Rafa had it and discrediting what he did at the this major. There is no point in discrediting anyone for what they did. So it’s better to get out the facts for everything for all the majors over a whole career. And so I’m making a point that it’s easy to do that with Federer as well with these numbers. But there is no point in doing that either. And it’s like we will go in a loop over and over again talking about this. So I realize it doesn’t really matter what I say, I’m not going to convince anyone of anything here. I like talking once in a while with people that can be objective about things with one player or another. But when it’s biased one way or another, it’s really impossible to talk about these things without going in a loop over and over again. It is tiring hearing about Federer being in his 30′s and all of a sudden falling off a cliff basically not being even close to the player he used to be. I’m just not buying that. And neither is Lavar. I won’t go as far as saying that it even’s out completely what you lose as you get older, you gain in developing skill as you get older. I won’t say it completely even’s out no. But it isn’t that big of a drop off, that’s for sure. Not to the point that it seems that some people seem to think.


Dave Says:

And just one more thing to add about the straight up head to head.

Federer is 6 and 6 against Nadal in his 30′s. So he is doing way better now against Nadal than in his 20′s. And the Same goes for Federer vs Murray in his 30′s. Federer is doing way better in his 30′s against Murray than he ever did in his 20′s against Murray.


Dave Says:

8 and 3 against Murray in his 30′s. 6 and 8 against Murray in his 20′s. Federer has always seemed to own Murray at the Majors though.


kjb Says:

Its really hard to say with the five year age gap between Fed and the other Big 3. I highly doubt that Rafa or Nole are going to win 8 majors in their 30′s. Since Rafa won his first slam, he has 16 and Fed has won 15 in that same span. So not really much separating the 2 of them. People often try to diminish Feds early exploits by citing the fact he was playing an ” old Agassi” in slams. Well, old Agassi was 3 or 4 years younger than Fed is now, and was still playing great tennis.


kjb Says:

I also think if Fed had went to a bigger frame 4 or 5 years earlier he could be well over 20 slams right now. Anyways, I’m excited for the last few months of the season. I hope we see a few more Fedal matches and #1 is decided at the WTF somehow.


Dave Says:

Agassi was 35 or 36 when he played Federer in the U.S. Open Final. I don’t think anyone should diminish any player. And neither should one player have their accomplishments exaggerated either. I was making a point that when Federer does anything in his 30′s it’s the most amazing thing. And when other players do it, it’s not the same because it isn’t Federer. It doesn’t work that way. It’s equal across the board. That’s why it’s a never ending loop that never gets anywhere when some people exaggerate one persons accomplishments, while diminishing another persons.


Dave Says:

Yes it will be a good finish to the season for sure. Some great matches coming up for sure.


Dave Says:

Hi AndyMira. Thank you. I hope you are doing well.


AndyMira Says:

Hey Dave!!…I’m fine,thank u!!…I hope you’re well too!…It’s really nice to read your post once again here…and boy!how i agree with your post @ 11:51pm Dave!!…


Willow Says:

Hi Dave great posts ….


Willow Says:

The thing that always got to me, was Federer and Djokovic always got credit for being all court all surface players, but for some reason Nadal never did, i used to think multiple GS on all sufaces WTF does he have to do to prove hes also an all court player too ?, 6 GS off clay, now we can put to bed the notion that he can only win GS on clay hmm, otherwise theres no hope ….


gonzalowski Says:

yes Willow, in fact they are Nole or Fed those who “only” have a GS of a surface like clay; Nadal has at least 2 GS of the 3 surfaces.
He has 0 indoor, that’s true


Willow Says:

Thanks Gonzo, its great not to be hearing it so much now, Tennis Vagabond and Dave seem to get it, the silence is deafening lol ….


gonzalowski Says:

always nice to read from you!


Humble Rafa Says:

i used to think multiple GS on all sufaces WTF does he have to do to prove hes also an all court player too ?, 6 GS off clay, now we can put to bed the notion that he can only win GS on clay hmm, otherwise theres no hope

I submitted an application to the Arrogant One Association asking them to recognize me as an all court player. But their chairman Skeeze will not even look at my request. I can win 19 and settle this issue, which is what is going to happen if these people don’t respect me.


Willow Says:

You too Gonzo cheers ;-)


AndyMira Says:

LOL HR!!…hahahaha!!


Daniel Says:

Willow,

The problem is that clay is only played in 4-5 tourneys a year, grass 2 and HC more than 10.

So if a player get the bulk of his trophys on the small 4-5 tourneys 2 months season (1O majors and 23 Masters), compared to the other part of the seaosn, of course his number will be skewed. And also his domiance is so unprecedent in clay that it even “dimishes” his other results.

Percentage wise, Fed and Djokos numbers are more consistant as they are the top 2 HC players, with majority of his titles there. Thsi will never change, it is as Cf1 said before, the more Nadal wins on clay right now, the more it goes agaisnt him. He needs to win on other surfaces and so he did, with USO 2017. Nadal shut the door on “can’t win on other surfaces”.

But a thing to consider, if he doesn’t win anyhting more on HC thiss year, or next year until clay, his USO 2017 run, will feel like a one off, “lucky” win as some will say.

Off course, he doesn’t have to prove anything at this point in his career, he just won USO. But for a consistancy standpoint, he should be winning more on HC. Next 4-5 tourneys will tells us more and even if he doesn´t win any, he played a lot this seaosn and is hs worst part of the season. At least he needs some consistant results with his ranking.

On Fedal this year, we realistic have 2 more shots, Basel, if they both indeed play and WTF as they could play in semis (if one qualifies first ina group and the opther second in the other goup) or in finals. There will be a lot of first time players in London and they will be the experienced one. So 1 more Fedal is almost certain this year in WTF. Any other before that will be a bonus and a final: Shangai, Basel or Paris.

I don’t see Nadal playing Basel for sure, only if he loses early in Beijing / Shangai.


Daniel Says:

And both Fed and Djokovic have 1 title and more than 4 finals (Fed 5 Rg finals and Djoko 4 RG finals), with them losing more than 5 times to Nadla in RG.

Nadal has 4 HC Slams to 4 finals and 2 Grass to 3 finals, so outside clay he is 6-7 in Grand Slam, in 3 different tourneys.

Fed only “flaw” Slam wise would be his 1-4 RG.
Djoko is 1-3 in RG and 2-5 in USO, so 2 Slams he has “bad” records.


Giles Says:

Slams won without facing a top 10 opponent :
Sampras 7
Federer 4
Nadal 2
Djokovic 1


skeezer Says:

Slam won without facing a top 25 opponent:
Nadal


Giles Says:

^^^ Sour 🍇


gonzalowski Says:

good point, Giles.

“…the more Nadal wins on clay right now, the more it goes agaisnt him.”
lol ! you guys really believe that???
that’s really squeezing the truth


Humble Rafa Says:

Slam won without facing a top 25 opponent:
Nadal

I am enjoying the US Open trophy and the win. Admiration and adulation has been wonderful. How is your life?


Daniel Says:

No gonzalowski, but he doesn’t “need” to win on clay anymore. Maybe trying to get 10 on Rome and Madrid.

He has to keep a trend, win on clay but also on HC, even if in small amounts. If he just win on clay, it won´t make a case for him as he is well and above establisehd as the greater clay courter who ever played the game.

When was his last non clay Masters win, Cincy 2013?

His USO 2017 was amazing but you have to put things in perspcetive he was 0-8 in his last 8 HC finals before that, losing to a bunch of different players and was without a HC title in more than 3 and a half years. He may change this stats after this win, or maybe will not, but we are not to expect that he is going to be even stevens with clay and HC. He will always struggle, as seen in Montreal and Canada. He is much more vulnerable in best of three than best of 5.

I’ve said before, if you look at his year Slams wise, he was THE player to beat: Fed had to beat him i 5 in AO, he won RG without dropping a set, lost Wimbledon in a late fifth set and USO was never strecthed to five sets. On slams, it will take an herculean effort to beat him if he keeps this form, which a handfull of players can do (bar Wimbledon).


Daniel Says:

There are pros and cons for both Fedal this year. Nadal is yet to beat Fed and still is #1, which points that HxH is not what matters, because if you assume that both have 2 Slams and 2 Masters and Fed beat Nadal in 3 of the 4 boiggets HC tournaments (didn´t played at USO), Fed could have a case for beest year.

But, Fed skipped clay, so his results were more favourable towards his best tourneys and he avoid playing Nadal in his best sruface.

Will see, If Fed is to take #1 for Nadal he will have to do it most likelly winning 2 of the next big 3 titles (Shangai / Paris and WTF) and most likelly in the process getting another win over Nadal.

But a win for Nadal over Federer in his worst part opf the year, would cement his great year for good and the Year edn #1.

So there is still something to play for this year for boht of them.

A 4th year end #1 for Nadal, which will hold it almsot sure until clay next year (unless he loses first roudn in AO) will but him on par with Djoko and increase his total weeks as #1 close to 200.

For Federer, a record tieing (with Sampras) 6th Year End #1 further increase his big records results, where he will be top 1 or co-saher in all. And potential wins over Nadal to reduce the HxH. It is already 23-14 and if it ends up 24-16 this year (or in their final hxH), it will be a respectfull Hxh (40% win ration for him).


gonzalowski Says:

Daniel you give interesting data and analysis, as always, but let’s say that Nadal wins 13 RG, 2 AO, 2 WB, and 3 USO = 20 GS, above, say, 19 Fed;
we will have to look at other data, as we do in Tennis X so many times, but Rafa would already be ahead of Fed in the GOAT race


Humble Rafa Says:

I’ve said before, if you look at his year Slams wise, he was THE player to beat: Fed had to beat him i 5 in AO, he won RG without dropping a set, lost Wimbledon in a late fifth set and USO was never strecthed to five sets. On slams, it will take an herculean effort to beat him if he keeps this form, which a handfull of players can do (bar Wimbledon).

You have high IQ. Just don’t get into an argument with people here. They will try to bring you to their low level and beat you with experience.


Daniel Says:

Yeah gonzalowski. A second AO, will already place him with 17 Slams and 2 career slams, unprecedent in Open era. An extra RG will increase his total numbers. He is right there in the GOAT run after this year.

Also, the #1 rankign is important too, that’s why some are downgrading YE#1, but is huge for Fedal now. Mostly for Nadal.

He could finish this year with 4 Year End 31 to Sampras 6, Fed’s 5 and tied with Djoko’s 4. and Assuming he perfomes well next year until clay, he is pretty much assure 30 weeks more.

And he can further increase his Masters title to be leader alone again.

What I lkek about this year is that several were saying a few years back (most Djoko fanatics) that Djoko preventing Nadal from being GOAT wiht his wins, protecting Fed’s number, but the same could be said in reverse as Djoko prevented Federer several Slams (last 3 finals in 2015, 2016, AO 2008, USO 2010 and 2011 and so on).

This year Fed made his on fortune. He won 2 Slams and he beat Nadal in a match that worht “2″ Slams. Had he lost that AO final, He would have 18 and Nadal 17 now (with 2 career Slams and 3 Slams this year, lock at #1). Fed made his on fortune and at 35-36 taht was so amzing.

So those who claimed Djoko “singlehanded” stopped Fedal are wrong. They each “pretect” their legacy without Djoko in the picture, they did their part, won the Slams they were favoured to win (RG for Nadal and Wimbledon for Fed) and share the other 2.

Thjeir history is not over and there is plenty for them to play for still, this year and next and how their results will be once (and how0 ohter Big Boys join the party.


gonzalowski Says:

let’s cheer to that !


Noonen Says:

Neither Rafa, Roger, Andy nor Novak have been good examples for children because they have lived a life of fornication and never repented of it to Jesus. (Only His blood can wash away our sins.)


gonzalowski Says:

I love to fornicate, Noonen. ;)


Daniel Says:

^Me too!


Willow Says:

Hell yeah me too ….


squirrel Says:

I really like Daniel’s posts, very fair and great assesment to Fedal’s rivalry. It’s crazy how these teo are catching up to each other. I believe that when both hang up their racket, they will be practically tied for GOAT status as Nadal is catching up fast and there’s only so much Roger can do at his age. However, I wonder if Nole will try to catch up to them as well. Imagine three people tied for GOAT status?? For that, he will have to win at least Aussi and US next year.


Willow Says:

Squirrel me too, but love yours the most babes lol ;-)


squirrel Says:

Owhhh i love yours the most too darling! Really, yours are such a warm presence to it! Keep coming Willie 😊


Humble Rafa Says:

Moya man is looking forward to be the Head of Head Coaches of Team Humble. He still has a few tournaments of carrying bags, then moves up to the head position.


Tennis realist Says:

Fed was getting spanked by teenager Nadal so fed being at not peak was not excuse, fed lucked big time to have faved Weakest competetion in tennis history and run riot for 5 years.


skeezer Says:

“..lucked big time to have faved Weakest competetion in tennis history ..”
Surely you’re confused and mis typed. You meant Nadal @ 2017 USO correct?
Be real about it.


t4t Says:

skeezer @ 9:29 am
Wasn’t Federer in the 2017 USO? Others have been saying Fed faced weak competition. skeezer goes a step further and says Fed himself is part of the weak competition. Ha Ha ha!!! Hilarious!!!!!


Humble Rafa Says:

skeezer goes a step further and says Fed himself is part of the weak competition

Skeeze, deep inside, knows that I am the GOAT and GOAT owner. Just pretends to be fair and call the Arrogant One the best ever. Sometimes the truth comes out from him.

#true self


Tennis realist Says:

Oh yeak Skeezer how Tough was to beat Roddick , Hewig Bagdatis and other mugs. Fed will always be questioned because of his losing slam h2h against his both rivals lol. He’s Goat of 03-07 weak era after this he was just a great player.


kjb Says:

Trolls be trolling!


kjb Says:

@ Tennis Realist

“Wasn’t Federer in the 2017 USO? Others have been saying Fed faced weak competition. skeezer goes a step further and says Fed himself is part of the weak competition. Ha Ha ha!!! Hilarious!!!!!”

Wasn’t Nadal in the field between 04-07? Tennis Realist goes a step further and says Rafa himself is part of weak competition. Ha Ha ha!!! Even more Hilarious!!!!! Since Rafa won his first slam, until now, Rafa has won 16 and Fed has won 15…….”He’s Goat of 03-07 weak era after this he was just a great player.” ……Ya, just a great player.


t4t Says:

kjb @ 1:37am
Of course Nadal was part of the weak competition between 2004-2007. He was just a kid remember?


skeezer Says:

Of course Fed was part of the weak era competition in 2017. He was just a old man remember?


Giles Says:

When fed loses he’s ” just an old man” – when fed wins he’s the Goat. LMAO


skeezer Says:

He’s an old man and the GOAT. LMAO.


Daniel Says:

How tough it is to beta Puerta, Soderling, Ferrer, Berdych and Anderson.

Fed won 4 times agaisnt players with no Slams win (Phillipousis, Baggy, Gonzalez and soderling); Phillipousi and Soderling has 2 Slams finals to their names name. 4 out of 19 (21%) no Slam player

Nadal on the other hand, got 5 of his 16 Slams agaisnt Players with no Slams (Puerta, Soderling, Ferrer, Berdych and Anderson). Out of these 5, only Soderling has 2 Slams finals and was a former Slam finalist when Nadal beat him in RG 2010, all the othert have only 1 Slam finals. 5 out of 16 (31%) no Slam player

So, applying this metric some are using, it is proved Nadal faced “weaker” competition to win his Slams than Federer.


tennisfan Says:

That’s hilarious.
Before beating Puerta Rafa beat Federer in the SF
Before beating Ferrer, Rafa beat Djokovic in the SF
Before beating Berdych, Rafa beat Murray in the SF

Only in 2010 FO & 2017 USO Rafa had it easy.


Daniel Says:

Oh and you don’t thing Federer beat any quality players before his Slams finals? 2006 ws easy, but 2007 he bneat Djoko and roddick at AO before Gonza and RG 2009 he beat DelPo before Soderling.

It’s all realtive. The Djokjo in 2010 (only one Slam and never beaten Nadal in any final at that point), was not the same player, same for Murray, who had never won a Slam at that point in 2010 losing all years to Nadal in Wimbledon.

So…Either you apply the same conditons to everybody or don’t use this argument at all, which is a fallacy in the end.


Humble Rafa Says:

I am an all court player who just happens to be a humble GOAT. Some people can’t take that.


skeezer Says:

Here is the only relativity that matters:
19 vs. everyone under.
—-
Yes lets apply the same conditions on this:
Winning a Slam playing no seeds under #25.
All time greats losing to WC and 100- 200 ranked players.
Oh wait. Rafa stands alone


J-Kath Says:

http://www.sport24.co.za/Tennis/ATPTour/why-is-no-one-beating-nadal-federer-20170917-2

This article is OK considered overall – but where it fails – is it seems to believe that Nadal is as “old” as Fed. when in fact Nadal is only approx. 1 year older than the Nole/Andy group to which he belongs and should be compared to rather than to Roger who is decidedly much older. Not saying Roger isn’t doing well – but Nadal is not fairly measured when comparisons are Rafa vs Roger when Rafa was a young developing player when he first came up again a much older player i.e. Roger.

Roger has had a great “Indian Summer” but it is Rafa who will be taking over asap.

Anyone who wants to challenge this (possibly out of boredom) do go ahead – it shan’t bother me nor will it incite me to respond. After all we shan’t be here in a 100 years according to Professor Hawkins who forecasts that earthlings have over-populated and abused our planet – and will need to leave earth……unlikely to affect any of us living now – but not only will tennis end – all human life on earth will end and new generations will need to find a new planet.

Sleep well.


Vince Says:

Fed, Nadal are way superior than Nole.. Nole will be always 3rd behind them.. Nadal is always second.. but Fedal will be under elite category which Nole doesn’t belong


t4t Says:

The only thing that is relevant is that out of Federe’s 19, 14 were won in a weak era ( 12 between 2003-2007 and 2 this year) i.e. only 5 count.
In case of Nadal, 2 were won in a weak era ( this year). So 14 count.
14>5.
Nadal is the GOAT followed by Djokovic with 12!


skeezer Says:

@9:22
Obviously you’re late to the party. The weak era discussion was debunked along time ago
here by multiple qualified posters. Don’t waste your typy type fingers and get with the program.


Okiegal.... Says:

I always try to be late to the party….If you get there really late everybody is good and drunk and I look better! 😜😜😜
VAMOS!! 💪💪💪💪


AndyMira Says:

hahahaha!….Really funny Miss Jan!!…Wooohooo!!


Willow Says:

Definitely a slow time in tennis, what about a Laver Cup thread, and we never had one on Rafas 16 GS points either ….


AndyMira Says:

Great post by JK & t4t too!…Awesome!!


Willow Says:

Happy Birthday Andi Mira, left you a message on FB just now ;-)


AndyMira Says:

Awwww!….Thank u mucho Will!!…Love u!!


squirrel Says:

Kakak AndyMira!!! Happy Birthday!! Selamat Hari Jadi!! I wish you a great celebration of this lovely day, enjoy!!!! :)


J-Kath Says:

Oh AndyMira – You are having one of “THEM”. Have a GOOD ONE – which means lots of presents and somebody else doing all the tasks that bore you.

PS: Thanks mucho for 2.11am above.


AndyMira Says:

JK!…Haha..Thank u so much for your lovely wishes!!….Ermmmmmm….bout presents/present…nope!…don’t get any..rarely get it actually…if at all…But,Rafa won USO was the precious present EVER!!Hehe…Thank u once again JK!!

@Squirrel!!…Hey hey Bro…TQ so much for your wishes too!!…Terasa tua lak!!Padahal baru 16 thn!Hehehe…Have a great day to u too Bro!!


gonzalowski Says:

skeezer funny video :)


Margot Says:

Happy Birthday darling AM. So glad I tuned in on the off chance and was able to wish you this, as it’s getting very same old, same old on here! xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx


AndyMira Says:

@M!!…Awwww….Thank u mucho Milady!!….and very agree!…same old!same old!!…and i think we’re getting old bcause of that!!hahaha…


RZ Says:

Happy birthday AM!


t4t Says:

I think it is great that finally the cult has accepted what rational fans knew all along. That Fed is not the GOAT as he won most of his titles in the weak era. Also surprisingly skeezer claimed that Fed is now part of the weak competition. So what happened skeezer? Did you sit under a Bodhi tree and get enlightened?


skeezer Says:

^Obviously you are desperate to have a conversation with somebody…….not happening. Nothing to discuss here, especially the same ol loser argument about “weak era”.


Willow Says:

Agree Gonzo, im afraid i cant stand James Cordon though, even though he is a fan of Andy ….


skeezer Says:

@Willow
You don’t like “Carpool Karaoke”?


Okiegal.... Says:

@Willow…..not a fan of Gordon’s either…..but the video was smashing! Andy acted so cute and bashful! I hope he is recovering from his injury and can come back in good form.

@Mira……Happy Birthday again! I left you Birthday wishes on FB. I didn’t get any presents for my birthday either. Since my sister passed away I don’t get my favorite perfume anymore….I now buy it myself……Obsession!! That’s a good one for me since I’m rather OBSESSED with you know who!! Have a great day! Here’s you some flowers! 🌺🌸🌷🌹🌼


Okiegal.... Says:

@Skeezer…Thanks for the link…..it was cute..My favorite one regarding Fed is the one where he and Rafa have the giggles! Simply adorable…..


Willow Says:

Skeezer its him i cant stand ! ….


gonzalowski Says:

the presenter? I did’n't know him…


AndyMira Says:

@Okie & RZ….Thank u,thank u thank u for your wishes!!…You ALL R AWESOME!!….If u guys live near me[M,JK,Willow,Squirrel & jalep too!] i will certainly make a dinner party especially for u guys,with a lots of foods & we can have fun!!…and get crazy!!…oh well!enough fantasize!!hehehe….

#Thank u for the flower’s Miss jan!!


Okiegal.... Says:

@Mira……u r welcome!


Humble Rafa Says:

Willow Says:
Skeezer its him i cant stand !

No need to speak like Shakespeare.


squirrel Says:

I love Gordon and the karaoke pool! The video with Andy si super cute :)


squirrel Says:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FU_6MsYnApA

I cannot wait to see Roger and Rafa teaming up to play doubles!!! That will be so special! :)


J-Kath Says:

Andy-Mira:

Salivating already.
Now I’ll definitely have to re-start my search to find my passport – my husband stored it in a secret corner and forgot to tell me where it is.


AndyMira Says:

JK!!….Awwww!…Hope you’ll find it soon!!…


Willow Says:

Squirrel thanks for the link im looking forward to the LC and Roger and Rafa playing doubles, about James Cordon i dont mind carpool, but its him i cant stand, i do like that hes a fan of Andy though ….


Willow Says:

J-Kath yeah me too ;-)


J-Kath Says:

Willow: Re passports – very difficult to decide to renew/or replace lost one at the moment — we’d get EU version and 2 years later ???? might be told to replace with a Brit. passport…makes planning impossible re. going to the French Open which I thought about going to this year……


Leave Your Comment [guidelines]

Top story: German Qualifier Gojowczyk Goals at ATP Metz