Novak Djokovic: I Know The Game Plan To Beat Nadal And I Have The Self Belief That I Can Win
by Tom Gainey | June 5th, 2013, 7:03 pm
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Novak Djokovic sounds like a player ready to take on one of the toughest challenges in all of tennis: Beating Rafael Nadal in best-of-5 sets on clay. Only Robin Soderling has done it and Friday Djokovic will have another chance at it in the French Open semifinals.

Djokovic, though, is just 3-12 lifetime against Nadal on clay (15-19 overall). And he’s never beaten at Roland Garros, where Nadal does his best work.

“I need that necessary intensity from the start,” Djokovic said after beating Tommy Haas today in the quarters. “I need to be willing to and needing to play on top of my game throughout the whole match, because that’s what it’s going to take to win against him.

“I look forward to it,” he said. “I’m sure that we know each other’s game really well. As I said, we are in good form. This is it, you know. This is the biggest matchup of our Roland Garros 2013 campaign for both me and him.

“I guess it’s the small details and few points can decide a winner, and that’s why I need to be very disciplined and focused in order to get emotionally, physically, and mentally ready for that match.”

Djokovic did just beat Nadal in Monte Carlo in April, a huge win that could prove beneficial two days from now. In a rivalry this close, and edge can make the difference, and Djokovic knows it.

“That is something that can maybe give me that mental edge when I step onto the court,” he said. “Knowing I already won against him on clay this season, knowing I can do it, even though not many players in last ten years have won against him on this surface and he’s been the most dominant player in the history of this sport on this surface.

“But, again, it’s the best of five, so it takes much more than just doing the same thing like in Monte Carlo, you know. It’s a Grand Slam also, so there is more I guess more tension, more things, you know, that are important for both of us. You know, the finals, is at stake.

“But if everything goes well and if I start well, you know, in the match, I think that can give me that confidence boost that I need. Because I need to start well. That’s something that I know.”

In recent years, Djokovic has made progress playing and beating Nadal, and prior to last season the Serb was dominating Rafa for a brief stretch.

With his elastic build, steady backhand and the best defense-to-offense game in the business, Djokovic does create problems for Nadal.

“I have a good game for him because my style is to be aggressive, but I can also defend well and have that transition game,” he said. “I need to serve well. If I serve well, also, you know, get a few free points here and there and it gives you confidence. But generally I know what’s the game plan, and I’m going to be confident and step into the court with self belief that I can win.”

Djokovic will be playing in his 12th straight Grand Slam semifinal. If he can win the French Open title on Sunday he’ll join Nadal and Roger Federer as active players to have won the career Grand Slam.

The 26-year-old has lost just one set en route to the semifinals, that to Philipp Kohlschreiber. And he’s won 12 straight Grand Slam matches.


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208 Comments for Novak Djokovic: I Know The Game Plan To Beat Nadal And I Have The Self Belief That I Can Win

Steve 27 Says:

You have to wait one more year, maybe two, Djoker.


Kimberly Says:

On first read I thought this sounded very arrogant but on second read I think it shows an enormous amount and respect and excitement for the challenge. The right attitude to play with. I hope Rafa has the right attitude too and doesn’t walk into the match with doubt.


James Says:

I’m sure, Djoker, you have a game plan for Nadal. I’m sure he has a plan for you as well.
Nadal single-handedly denied the Swiss great the FO for so long. Don’t think he’s gonna let Nole have it yet.


contador Says:

I wish Grendel would show up and write something to make me laugh.


Steve 27 Says:

a joke: Four astronauts reach the moon. An American, a German and two Serbs. The American exits the ship and plant a flag on the lunar surface proud affirming courage and the money Americans have made the mission a success, so the moon pertencerá to the United States.
The German flag starts and instead places one of his country was saying that scientific knowledge and technological precision German Germans who have made the mission a success, so the moon belong to Germany.
Then one of the Serb reaches into his pocket, but instead of drawing a flag, shows a gun that kills the other Serbian. So proclaims: “Here Serbian blood has been spilled, so the moon will be Serbian forever.”


jane Says:

^^^ Offensively racist – hello? Moderators?


Wog boy Says:

@8.23pm

How low can you go, you scumbag.


Steve 27 Says:

Hey, asshole, you know the meaning of what is a joke? or are you a stupid sensitive to serious things?
It turns out that humor is because of censorship. You know nothing of the meaning of democracy. If it is offensive to you, sorry, but if it bothers you is because you feel alluded
Here’s one policy:
They are José María Aznar, George Bush and the Queen of England in hell. Bush was telling the Queen of England who had a red phone in hell and he would talk with the devil to ask permission to use it. Quickly, he went and asked the devil permission to make a call to the U.S. to know how was the country after his departure. The devil gave him a call and spoke for 2 minutes. When hanging, the devil said that the cost of the call were $ 3 million, and Bush made ​​him a check.
Upon hearing this, the Queen of England would do the same and called to England for 5
minutes, and the devil happened a count of 10 million pounds.
José María Aznar also call felt like Spain to see how he had left the country, and talked for three hours. When he hung up, the devil told him it was 35 cents. Aznar was stunned,
he had seen the cost of calls from others, so I asked him why he was so cheap call Spain … and the devil replied:
“Look asshole … to reform unemployment, hydrological and privatization plan that aprobasteis, you have to Spain made ​​a hell .. hell and hell, the call is local. “


Wog boy Says:

You google translate is not good enough, scumbag … Your sence of humor is sick so STFU.
Why don’t you try some Jewish/Hitler jokes if it is OK to make any kind of joke? That has nothing to do with democracy, you mor@n!!
You are going to tell me that Australia doesn’t know what democracy is? Go back to your cave, you insecure, impotent creature!!


broken record Says:

Fed said this every year, also. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz


skeezer Says:

Why wasn’t the first one a Spanish joke?
Totally racist and not funny!!

We talkin Tennis or telling racist jokes here?

Moderators?

#busted
#seetthroughthehatred
#colorsseen


skeezer Says:

“Novak Djokovic: I Know The Game Plan To Beat Nadal And I Have The Self Belief That I Can Win ”

You’ve done it before on Clay. Make him moonball Nole, make him moonball!!


mat4 Says:

@Steve 27:

It was a very ugly joke, and it has nothing to do with democracy. I just don’t get it why you made it on a public blog. I suggest that you apologize, since I believe that you didn’t realize in time how offending it was. And untrue.

——————————————-

Steve Tignor wrote his article on the men’s semi. He couldn’t avoid to write it as a fan, but how could, in his place?

But what struck me is that he still doesn’t understand his fav, Rafa Nadal. Here’s what he wrote:

“By contrast, I think Nadal will come in fairly relaxed. He’s won his share of titles here, obviously, and there’s no greater cause that I can see him playing for at the moment.”

Rafa won’t be relaxed, because he does not play for a title, a finale at RG. He plays for his place in the history of tennis. He could afford to lose to anybody, but not to Novak, who threaten to supplant him everywhere, not only on hard, but on grass and on clay, and who has already destroyed his ambitions to win more slams than Roger Federer.

I don’t buy that Rafa is happy to be the best no 2 ever. I wants to be no 1 again, and when he lost last year to Rosol, that’s what broke him: he revealed in an interview that he hoped to regain the no 1 ranking then.

I also don’t buy that he has serious problems with his knees: his injuries fell always in period of biggest tension, and are always in relation with his psyche, his inner daemons. He is always injured after a big win, or a terrible loss.

Just look at his schedule: it is not the schedule of a player trying to extend his career; this is a schedule of a general trying to chose the right spot for his battles, trying to get a psychological advantage on his opponents.

I don’t know who is going to win, but I am absolutely certain that the Djokovic-Nadal rivalry is one that slowly transcends tennis, as I be


mat4 Says:

… as I believe that it will remain as the rivalry that forged modern tennis.


James Says:

Nadal has shown the hunger to regain the no.1 ranking and win more Slams. Like Nole he’s also made it clear he wants to win the title, and that it doesn’t matter who he has to beat for it.


Steve 27 Says:

FAIL
foreign, to be a person over 40 years respond as a 5. You are pathetic and a real ignorant. I’m surprised you live in Australia with a little tolerance and your continuous insults only prove someone of little education and low status.
Shut up before writing nonsense. Learn to distinguish humor from reality, elder, open your mind, and starts distinguish things the right way before launching left and right rude.
Calm your aggression and violence. And nationalism is never good.


Kimberly Says:

Mat4—-they are two huge champions going to battle for something they both want. And no disrespect to Murray and Roger but I see it as the current two best players in the game squaring off. Djokovic is the clear number one player in the world, but Rafa is his probably his biggest challenger IMO. Rafa will try to put himself in the hunter role but clearly in many ways for this match he is the hunted, a role he doesn’t love. I believe he will get back to number two this year, even of he loses this match. Murray has a ton to defend coming up and I don’t think rafa is going away. If he loses he will convince himself it was because of his seven months off and keep fighting to get his place back. It would be a shame if he loses and disappears for another seven months.

My concern was the lack of enjoyment he seemed in his early matches and his match v ferrer in Rome. But maybe he is just as bored playing ferrer as we are of watching him play ferrer.


Rsutherland Says:

So according to the weather forecasts the conditions will be good for Rafa…..no caveats!

In terms of Novak losing in prior clay tourneys this season (except Monte Carlo):
I think to a small degree he could have been sandbagging…ok, maybe too strong of a characterization… leaving something in reserve both mentally and physically …between Monte Carlo and Rolland Garros.

His last tournament win before Rolland Garros was against Rafa…which included a rather humiliating a ‘bagel’.

Nadal’s is a monumental scalp for Nole. Defeating the ‘greatest clay player ever’ , presumably on the road to completing his career GS will garner Nole everything he seems to crave right now.

This is vintage Djokovic; ‘high drama-into-glory!’ He has been saving and building up for this one.

Rafa is on one hand mentally strong but also head case in so many ways. I do not believe he likes the kind of attention (hence pressure) the way Nole does.

Oh yeah. On a side ‘note’ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhFnOAwr96o
Relevant? Well to one individual – content and all.


Fedster Says:

“I’m surprised you live in Australia with a little tolerance and your continuous insults only prove someone of little education and low status.”

Steve,
Dont you know that he is a serb ?

Obviously what you did was not correct in a public forum. There are others who responded (disagreed) to you as well in a better way.

Does it prove that your joke reflects the truth ? I dont know.

But please apologize for your post.


Steve 27 Says:

mat4, you’re right, it seems that I offended some people, but their responses are reprehensible, especially of this type who runs a street slang. Anyway, changing the subject, it is good that the Serb has confidence in himself, he mentioned a few days ago, he enjoys it more if victory against Rafa Nadal than against any other player, showing the great rivalry they have. It promises to be an exciting game with a lot of tension.


mat4 Says:

@Kimberly:

I don’t think that, for both, the hunter role is possible now: they have too much at stake, too much to lose. For Novak, it was over at the AO 2012, when he suddenly understood that he became one of the great of the game. For Rafa, he stopped to be the hunter in the QF of the AO 2011.

I also think that they are, right now, the no 1 and 2, the two toughest warrior on the tour, but the season is long, a lot of things can have an impact on the results and the rankings.

In this regard, a battle royale between Rafa and Novak could really have a negative impact on their respective levels and their health, just like in 2012. And health is not only a state of the body here, but also a state of the mind.

I hope that Roger will heal his back (because I believe that it had an impact on his result yesterday), because the “big four” has a certain magic, a regularity, symmetry that a “big three” doesn’t have.


Golden Child Says:

I have to say that as an Australian Serb, I am disgusted and puzzled as to where this hatred and disrespect towards Novak and the Serbian people is coming from?! Not only is this evident with the numerous and unethical blog posts which are ever so prevalent, but this is an outright demonisation of Serbs, driven predominanrly by the western media. This negative attitude and dismissiveness of Novak’s accomplishments, by the media and Rafa’s & Roger’s fans, really only highlights the flaws in how some people have been wired to think – a negative, twisted and evil attitude.

Federer = Greatest of all time + soulless + unsportsmanlike + dark & evil.

Rafa = Greatest clay court player of all time + soulless + unsportsmanlike + evil.

Novak = A legend in the making + An uncorrupted pure minded soul that carries his heart on his sleeve + always fair to other players + very intelligent yet not blind to all the hate there is towards him for his duely earned success + God’s victor to rid the world of these abominations.

Wake up people! Be fair and learn how to give credit when credit is due – something that Nole is clearly a front runner of amongst his peers.


Nirmal Kumar Says:

I believe Novak’s time has come to beat Rafa at Roland Garros. He has everything in his game to beat Rafa in a clay 5-setter. Beating Rafa needs a supreme physical strength, not just tennis skills. That’s where Roger couldn’t get through in his prime against Rafa on clay. But Novak is a supreme athlete and is an equal to Rafa on physical endurance.

It’s a pity this has to be a semi, but what a match this would be if both play to their potential.


Kimberly Says:

Long Rant on Mutliple Topics

Rafa developed his identity via Federer, when Federer was unbeatable, he was the only guy who could beat him. Federer the #1, Rafa the hunter. He developed his tennis identity this way. He never seemed confortable as the #1 to me.

But at Roland Garros, Nadal is the hunted. Djokovic may be #1 but Nadal is still the hunted. Not the role he wants. How much nonsense does he spew that he is not the favorite at the beginning of every clay court tournament. Enough that our resident jokester created the character “Humble Rafa.” He doesn’t want the role but here until he loses, it is his. However, in this match, most experts are calling it almost odds on even. Vegas is giving Nadal a super slight favorite.

I hope Rafa wins the match and I hope the physicality doesn’t hurt either player but it would be nice if it was a special epic match, and it would have been nicer if it was the Final. Right now Djokovic/Wawrinka and Gasquet/Wawrinka are competing for the match of the year.

Would I like Rafa to win in straights. I would take it but I like to think I am more of a tennis fan than that. I was not happy with the Roger match in Rome. I want the win, but I want the magic too. Even though I didn’t like the AO12, that match had the magic. I want some of that, with my guy winning. Even USO 2011 had some of that epic stuff that can only be produced by the best of the best. FO12 and Wimbledon11 were duds by their standards. Miami11 had the magic.

I do think Roland Garros did a disservice by not reseeding Nadal at least two, so we could enjoy this special moment Sunday. This is the match of the tournament. Unless they absolutely slaughter each other in semi and even then the final will likely be a real dud.


Kimberly Says:

hardly showed nadals match on French Open tonight. Was it a real snoozer I guess? Rafa played well? Stan left his tennis game at the hotel? What happened?


Kimberly Says:

and whats up with Sharapova getting bageled by Jankovic? At least she won the match!


James Says:

Steve, I’d be careful posting such jokes on a public forum. You risk being misunderstood.
I’m sure you didn’t mean to offend anyone.


James Says:

“Was it a real snoozer I guess? Rafa played well? Stan left his tennis game at the hotel? What happened?”

Kimberly, Rafa played his best match of the tournament. He served much better, moved quicker and played very aggressive. Rafa played like he was playing Roger.


jane Says:

Kimberly, enjoyed your 10:30 post. I thought the magic was there at Wimbledon 2011, but that’s looking at it from a Nole fan’s perspective; he achieved 2 dreams in that fortnight – reaching number 1 and winning Wimbledon. It was also great, as his fan, to see him bounce right back after the tough loss to Roger in the FO semis, with the streak ending and all that. So magic for Nole’s fans probably. Yeah, I hope we get something special Friday but too bad it’s not the final and praying they don’t go “too epic” on us – or on each other! O_0


contador Says:

Kimberly, Stan was all washed up after the winning the match with Gas-K. The was not much for Rafa to hunt today.

Very good posts from you and Mat4.

Tommy Haas was overcooked a bit going in to this QF as well. Was not much to hunt there either.


Jimmy Says:

Which semi is first? I am sick over the NBC tape delay again.


Steve 27 Says:

Sure it was not my intention, James. I always thought that humor opens the mind and demystifies serious issues and makes us free. Unfortunately, some people take it the hard way and expel all their hatred and resentment in a way I do not understand. For me it is forgotten. Speaking of tennis, I hope Rafa can beat the Serb in no more than three hours to get the best way to the final.


jane Says:

The Serb, a.k.a. Novak Djokovic, or affectionately know by some as Nole. “The Serb” or “el bufon” does have a name, so I just thought I’d throw it out there!


Steve 27 Says:

Jimmy, first, Ali against The Wall.


James Says:

Steve,
A lot of people seem to think that Nole will take down Rafa this time and win his 1st RG. And as a Rafa fan, seeing his performance in the first 3 matches of RG made me nervous about his chances against Novak Djokovic. But not anymore. Saw him play good against Nishikori, and the way he played Wawrinka was impressive. I think our Spaniard is ready for the Serb. I just hope he won’t let his head get in the way. He should be able to get the job done in 4 sets. Won’t be too surprised if he does it in 3 tight sets. Don’t see a 5 set match.


mat4 Says:

@jane:

Although I understand your rightful resentment, just forget it. I am confident that he understood that he made an error.

Although he seems not to be able to hide his fears before Friday’s match. Calling Novak “the Serb” is a way of dehumanization of the “enemy”, a normal psychological process in such situations. It allows hate, and is the byproduct of hate and lack of self-confidence (hope I managed to make myself clear in my pidgin).


Kimberly Says:

Contador good to see you. Friday is ColinO7 birthday to become ColinO8. On Saturday I have invited eleven of his fellow junior players for a catered round robin doubles tennis tournament and Sunday a pool party at my house. The party favors are chocolate tennis rackets for the tennis party. Friday he is spending his birthday at the Miami Heat basketball camp for the day. Supposedly some of the players will come. Shouldn’t they be practicing for game 2 Sunday? Anyway I don’t have six hours Friday to watch nadal and djoker so I will probably see bits and pieces between party prepping!

#letsgoheat
#vamosrafa
#repeatsfornadalandheat
#winanotherchampionship


Jimmy Says:

Freaking NBC


jane Says:

mat4, crystal clear. Thanks. I am nervous too, but I am still calling Rafa, Rafa. :) Obviously Rafa is the huge favourite; yet it’s hard not to hope for a surprise win by Nole. Actually I’m surprised to read Kimberly’s stats/odds. You’d think that with Rafa’s RG record, he’d be the odds on favourite by far, but I guess the odds makers know something we don’t … or not! Waiting to see.

I think Vika/Sharpie will be a good match. I also think Vika would give Serena a better fight in the final. Sorry, I am not giving Errani a chance.


Steve 27 Says:

James,
I’m sure a “physically eroded” Stan, it is much more rival than a 35-year veteran, who also played a grueling match against Querrey. Watch the match of AO and tell me if number 1 would rather confront him again. Haas even could take the second set and perhaps the story might be somewhat different. Against Rafa, Tommy did not last even 80 minutes. as you say, 4 sets seems to be the most accurate forecast for the victory of Rafa.


Thomas Says:

LOL @Steve 27. Good one! Also, people need to grow up and get a sense of humour. He was obviously joking..


skeezer Says:

“Sure it was not my intention”

Yeah, right, then your try to cover it with a joke with a “Spaniard” in it. Like ….WTF?
This is coming from a Rafafanatic…#expected.
Then you start calling posters names in retribution.
Then you go on and try to justify it with world politics ( Nationalism? uh? )

FAIL.

Guys, I would not expect an apology from this person. An excuse maybe…..oh wait…we already saw that.

FAIL.


Steve 27 Says:

greetings Thomas, at least you understand that humor is not to offend anyone but to give a spark of joy to everyday life. What is your forecast for Friday’s matches?


skeezer Says:

^Skating …..skating the issue…..whats the weather forecast tomorrow?

#FAIL


Steve 27 Says:

skeezer, I know, so you write every day, you’re not the best person to talk about respect. I would like you to show some decency to refer to other but it seems that too much to ask. So I settle for your irony and sarcasm that seems is your only way to respond.
Vamos Rafa! for a historic eighth RG and a monumental milestone if you can reach for the ninth consecutive year a major, something they could not achieve or Borg or Sampras or the acclaimed best ever Federer


jane Says:

” it is much more rival than a 35-year veteran, who also played a grueling match against Querrey.”

Tommy didn’t play Querrey; he played Isner. But that was two rounds earlier, and prior to meeting Nole, Tommy had won all of his matches in straight sets except losing 2 sets to Isner. The round 16, before Tommy played Nole, he absolutely destroyed Youz, so he came into Nole’s match relatively rested.


Michael Says:

It is this positive attitude which makes the difference between victory and defeat. Novak has this self-belief against Nadal even on clay, not many players have it including Roger (which is ofcourse quite unfortunate). He has a perfect game plan to defeat him. Only that he needs to execute that well on Court. If Novak plays his A game, Rafa can never beat him even if he plays well. It is because of the defence-offence changeover mechanism of Novak which troubles Rafa no ends. Still for that super Friday, I give a slight edge to Rafa to win considering his brilliant exhibition against Wawrinka and Novak’s not so good performance against Haas. But things can change and Novak can find an extra pedal and gear due to his sheer motivation. I would say 52:48 in favour of Rafa.


Michael Says:

I would advise Novak to just have a look at the Soderling Vs Nadal match in 2009. That was the only time in his career that Nadal got defeated at Rolland Garros. It was really a miracalous performance by Soderling. I was just fortunate to watch that match live and at the start I just thought that Rafa’s win was a mere formality but Soderling had different ideas and the way he used fearsome flat power to counter the heavy top spin of Rafa was phenomenal. It was a day on which Soderling rarely missed his shots and it was near perfect Tennis from him. Rafa was not in the best of form and admittedly he had some usual physical issues bothering him. But still nothing can be taken away from Soderling. He beat Nadal and there is the end of the story.


Bada Bing Says:

Alok/Von is back


Steve 27 Says:

If Novak plays his A game, Rafa can never beat him even if he plays well
So, 19 is no enough. Please, watch again the match in RG 2008 and tell me if this Novak can beat that Rafa. Even so, I thkink in the court of Philipe Chatrier Rafa A game is unbeatable. No Soderling, no Djokovic, nobody.
I understand that your taste is not for Nadal, but needless to say the wrong thing.
Panatta, who knows more about tennis than you or any of us, makes it very clear: “Rafa will win. This court is like his home”. Amen.


contador Says:

Kimberly,

You are a super- mom! I mean you thought of everything. And happy B-day to Colin 08! He will have a great day …lucky, lucky boy :D


harry Says:

@mat4: your posts are (as usual) insightful!
@WB: Hi! By the way, an interesting article on “the match” in nytimes (http://tinyurl.com/mmgocwx). It also has excerpts from the letter Nole’s mom read during Gencic’s memorial service.


Michael Says:

Well, it is just an opinion Steve27 and you obviously have differences and feel that Nadal is unbeatable. I for one feel that Novak has a perfect strategy to beat Rafa. The biggest advantage with him is his exceptional return of serve which puts Rafa under pressure right from the start. No one reads Rafa’s serve well than Novak. Plus, he has this mental advantage and in the last 14 times they played, the score stands at 11-8 in Novak’s favour. Rafa’s H2H advantage mainly stems his supremacy earlier in his career against Novak. Lately he has struggled against him. However, as you rightly say, this is clay court and is home to Rafa where he is invincible. But, if there is one player who can surprise him even on Clay, it is only Novak. Let me say this with cent percent confidence. Plus the recent win in Montecarlo must only work to Novak’s advantage. We will wait and see. But it is going to be a very tough match in my opinion with a slight edge to Rafa due to his supremacy on Clay.


roy Says:

the truth is, if both play their best tennis, it’s touch and go on any surface, including hard court.

the australian open final is testament to that. if rafa made the easy backhand a break up in the 5th he probably would have won. novak was playing his best tennis, and he only just scraped home in a 6hr hardcourt match. hardly a schooling.
meanwhile the french final could have gone to novak if the conditions stayed cold and damp. rafa didn’t win decisively either.

what i would say here though, is that novak has been playing a sloppier brand of tennis than he played in his clay wins against nadal and the recent major hard and grass wins too. he was barely missing in some of those matches.

if djoker plays like RG last year it’s a coin flip, but otherwise i don’t think it’s enough.


Wog boy Says:

@Bada Bing,
I thought it was only me.

harry, Hi
Thanks for the link.


contador Says:

Novak knows how to play Rafa better than any of us or, the “experts”.

Same can be said about Rafa knowing Nole. Anticipation of new strategies on both sides is probably being worked and sorted in detail. Will be a matter of execution on the day.


Steve 27 Says:

Michael, If clay is for Rafa and hardcourt is for Novak, what do you think in a hipotetic match on grass?
despite the match in 2011, do not you think Nadal’s game looks more natural than that of Djokovic on grass and so he has reached 5 finals, winning two of them against the best ever in this surface, with Sampras permit, and the clash between Federer and Djokovic was not even that yes it was against the Spaniard in 2007 and 2008?


skeezer Says:

“Tommy didn’t play Querrey; he played Isner.”

Keep it comin jane ;)

#theguydranktoomuchrafakoolaid


Michael Says:

Steve,

Winning two against the best ever on Grass surface. Well Nadal beat Roger just once on Grass in 2008. The next time he only beat Berdych in the finals in 2010. Novak did beat Rafa at Wimbledon in 2011 pretty easily. So, he proved even over there. Obviously, Nadal is a greater player than Novak. But the match up makes pretty difficult for him. He just doesn’t like the way Novak plays. If not for Novak’s invincible form, Nodal’s career would have zoomed even higher.


Wog boy Says:

harry,

In this link you can see some photos from the funeral including Nole’s parents and youngest brother Djordje. To translate only the title: “Jelena Gencic is teaching angels to play tennis, now”.

http://www.kurir-info.rs/oprostaj-jelena-gencic-sada-uci-andele-tenisu-clanak-827071


DmitryS Says:

Tom Gainey: “Djokovic will be playing in his 12th straight Grand Slam final.”
Where did you get this? First of all he needs to beat Nadal to play in the final (which is questionable to say the least), second it will be his 11th final, not 12th. And of course it is not straight finals.


rafaeli Says:

Magnus Norman has admitted that Rafa was ailing when Sod beat him at RG, so it would be a waste of time Novak watching that match, plus Rafa put Sod in his place the very next year after Sod had downed Roger in the SF.

If Sod had a full-proof formula against Rafa at RG, why did he not use it in 2010. Instead Rafa beat him Oh so easily.


harry Says:

Thanks WB. Yes it is sad; hope Nole is not distracted.


Giles Says:

VAM8S RAFA KING OF CLAY!


Michael Says:

About why Soderling lost to Rafa at French finals in 2010 ? Well, every match differs. It is not necessary that a player who won the previous match should win the present one too. That is elementary logic. Soderling lost in 2010 because his plan was not well executed and he made a lot of UEs which proved to be his bane. To win against Rafa on Clay, you need to play near perfect Tennis and that is a given. It also gives us an insight about Rafa’s greatness on that surface.


Tennis x hippy chic Says:

Im quite disgusted by the comments from Steve 27,i dont know how some of these comments get through the moderators,also newbie Golden Child in defence of Novak called Roger and Rafa souless,unsportmanlike,dark and evil,and preceded to tell us all to wake up and be fair,also is it fair to call Rafa the butt picking spaniard,or accuse him of having sexual relations with Larry Ellison or Juan Monarco ala Jamie,sorry just wondering?


Tennis x hippy chic Says:

Michael just wondering why is Rafas victory over Berdych in 2010s Wimbledon final less legitamate,than the one he won against Roger in 2008,and Novaks win against Rafa in 2011 is considered more legitamate because he beat Rafa,even though Berdych beat both Roger and Novak to get there?sounds like some rather bizzare logic?


mat4 Says:

Hi, Harry. Nice to see you here.

I also am under the impression that Novak lacks the oh so needed consistency to win, tomorrow.

But let’s check the stats: he played at a very high level against Dimitrov, the last two sets against Kohly and the first two sets against Haas. [That match was a bit strange: although the score was tight, Novak won 21 points more in the first two sets, and, despite the result which was the consequence of a slippery clay and big serving from both, he looked quite dominant, the TB excepted.]

The conditions were each time different, so it is difficult to make an accurate judgement on Novak’s game. Against Dimitrov, his shots weren’t efficient enough, but against Haas, he made winner after winner. But the clay was heavy a few years ago, the balls humid and heavy, and the Lenglen seems much faster then the Chatrier.

Then, the return: the difference in performance was also big. I think the serve won’t be so crucial.

Finally, we know that Novak ups his game a notch against Rafa most of the time, especially since Rafa’s game suits him well.

When I think about this match, the old impression I had is back: for me, this match up was the metaphor of the elusive battle of the man against the machine. No matter how many brilliant shots you make, the machine will win the last point. Rafa’s abilities in defence are so exceptional, and his FH can finish the point at any time. But comparing their Madrid 2009 encounter with the following (including MC), two things were obvious to me: Novak has improved, and Rafa is plays worse. The 40 UE he made in MC were not a bad day at the office, there were the consequence of Rafa’s febrility when he plays Novak.

So, tomorrow, in my opinion, everything will depend of the mental disposition of the players. Is Rafa confident enough on his “home” court? Will Novak be focused enough to make winner after winner for three sets? Don’t forget also that Rafa makes most of the running. Who will be fresher in the fourth, fifth set?

I am, of course, convinced that Rafa will win easily, but I’ll stick with my boy, and I’ll find the strength to watch the match.


mat4 Says:

… a few days ago…


nadalista Says:

RT @scambers73: “As @DjokerNole bills semi-final v @RafaelNadal as “the biggest challenge”, the champion just shrugs.”


Tennis x hippy chic Says:

Michael Novaks form has not been invincible,he lost to Haas,Delpo,Dimitrov,Berdych,so sorry i wouldnt call that invincible,buy hey whatever maybe you see things differently to me,i dont know?


nadalista Says:

Rafa/Novak play first, followed by Ferru/Tsonga:

RT @christophclarey: “So the FFT has decided. Djokovic-Nadal first as the “undercard” on Friday; Tsonga-Ferrer to follow via @DrewLilley #RG13″


Wog boy Says:

hippy chic,

Anybody can post and sign as “Golden child” and “Australian Serb” but that doesn’t mean that he/she is that what he is saying that he/she is, on the contrary, it means that he/she is provocator. That post came later and I saw it after I read your post. The way it is written has only one purpose and that is to antagonise other fair posters against Nole fans and Serbs. That post hasn’t been written by “Australian Serb” and Nole fan, that is for sure. It was a cheap shot, but it didn’t work.


Tennis x hippy chic Says:

Thanks Wogboy it would be nice if people stuck to talking tennis,rather than hurling personal insults at players and fellow posters,it shows the lack of maturity in some people,enough prejudice goes on in the world without bringing it into sport,its the one thing i hate about this forum sometimes.


Giles Says:

Rafa playing first is great news.
VAM8S CHAMP!!


Tennis x hippy chic Says:

Wogboy what i should have said was,i dont condone Steve27s joke i actually found it disgusting,however im just wondering how Novaks fans feel when the likes of Jamie are making sarcastic remarks about Rogers age and Rafas sexuality,or when posters like Ray were making remarks about Rafas mobility,with comments like hopeless cripple in a wheelchair,and someone who would pimp his mother for enough money,to me its strange when posters seem to only have an issue when their own personal favorites are been attacked but seem to be strangely quiet and dont have an issue when someone elses favorites are been attacked,and before anyone says anything im not singling any one set of fans out here,as they all have their fair share of posters that are like that,i just think that we should apply the same standard to all the players fan groups is all.


Michael Says:

Tennis X Hippy Chic,

I never understated Nadal’s performance against Berdych at Wimbledon in 2010. I just wanted to correct Steve who said that Nadal beat Roger twice at Wimbledon. It was only once in 2008. It was not a question of legitimacy. I just stated the facts.


Tennis x hippy chic Says:

Michael sorry fair enough,no harm or foul,or anything.


Michael Says:

Tennis X Chic,

Novak’s form is not exceptional as in 2011. But right now at Rolland Garros, he is playing good Tennis. I am not sure whether it would be enough against Rafa especially. But, atleast if it is Novak, you get some confidence that he can beat Rafa unlike the rest.


contador Says:

I watched both matches again to compare Nadal and Djokovic.

Both are looking very sharp. This is going to be good! :D

And Ferrer v Tsonga is going to be good! Maybe better not get too excited, just in case, but it is tough not to be. There is lots at stake. Also watched the last part of the Dauphine race just now and the pictures look like beautiful weather in France – in the alps even. and it is warm temperatures.


contador Says:

I just can’t get excited about a Vika v Maria match. But I like that they are playing each other now, so there will be only one of them in the final.


James Says:

I watched both matches too and indeed Novak and Rafa are playing well. But Rafa definitely was more impressive. And based on the form they both showed, Rafa should win in 3 tight sets. But, this time it will be Novak and not Stan standing on the other side of the net. So it won’t be easy. Novak usually plays his best against Rafa like how Rafa usually plays his best against Roger. Rafa needs to bring his A game as well. And I believe Rafa’s best on clay trumps Novak’s best on clay.
Could be match of the year.


James Says:

Sharapova closes the first set 6-1. Will be hard for Vika to get back in. Serena vs Shaza final? Oh dear!


contador Says:

Well, we will see James :D My pick is still Nole in 4 or 5 – more likely 5. A battle of wills. Might start out lopsided – both have a lot on the line.

And I pick Tonga in 4. yikes!


Ben Pronin Says:

I don’t see how anyone could think this match will be in a 3 setter for either guy.


contador Says:

Is it Friday yet???


jane Says:

Thanks for the article link harry.


jane Says:

Vika’s up a break in the second set.


Tiffany Says:

All Spanish Finale on Sunday!


jane Says:

Second set to Vika, 6-2, and she has momentum going into the third.


James Says:

contador, I pick Rafa to win in 4 sets. It would be a shame if Rafa doesn’t win another RG after taking Barcelona, Madrid and Rome. But then hey it’s between these two great players. Can go either way. Should be good tennis. Good for us tennis fans :)


James Says:

Jane, I like Maria more than Vika (used to like Vika more) but I hope it’s Vika taking on Serena in the final. Maria would be torn apart again by Serena.


jane Says:

Oh drag, play suspended. That’ll affect momentum.

James, yes, likely Maria would be torn apart by Serena, meaning another anticlimactic grand slam final on the ladies side. It would be great to see a battle like Vika/Serena at the USO last year.


Tennis x hippy chic Says:

I would think the only chance Maria has of retaining this title,would be for Errani to perform a miracle and beat Serena,somehow i dont see that happening,Maria broke Vikas serve but im hoping she can turn it around and win,otherwise i think the womens final will be a damp squib,like Jane says a Vika/Serena final would probably be a more competitive final.


Tennis x hippy chic Says:

Just to let everyone know im having alot of problems with this computer of mine,so if i dont post,its because im having trouble finding a server,and not hiding.


jane Says:

Wog boy at 6:32, you’re exactly right. Besides, that post wasn’t even there last night, probably was in moderation queue or something.


Tennis x hippy chic Says:

Jane the only thing i get annoyed with is when posters only seem to have an issue when their own personal favorites are been attacked,but dont seem to have a problem when other players are been attacked,and they become strangely quiet,and seem to gloss it over,i made my point at 8.16am,ill say no more about it,as it seems like im on a hiding to nothing.


jane Says:

I think that’s typically the way it works: people tend to defend their faves first and foremost. Half the time I scroll over the Fedal fighting. And why would I jump in the fray? Usually there are enough Fed or Rafa fans around to defend their faves.


Tennis x hippy chic Says:

What about when Jamie whos a Novak fan,starts making sarcastic comments towards both Rafa and Roger though?


jane Says:

According to jamie he (or she) is a self-proclaimed Murray fan and besides, he/she is a poster whom I largely ignore. The posts are largely predictions and provocative comments, so I tend to scroll over them. I don’t pay much attention to those sorts of posts. Why bother? They never change. It’s like arguing with Humble Rafa or the Great Davy.


Tennis x hippy chic Says:

Jane hmm,H/S as i recall said H/S was a Murray fan at one point,but its hard to tell as the posts seem to be very Novak biased,and for someone whos a Murray fan H/S comments have not been too kind about Murray either so you could have fooled me,your right though,i will ignore such comments from now on,and just concentrate on the tennis,no hard feelings,just making a point is all.


Steve 27 Says:

mat4, so Rafa is a machine and Djokovic is the human? Someone who play two of the most grueling matches of all time in Australia 2012 and another this year against Wawrinka and as usual, he easily recovered beating the Czech calmly. Do no try to trick you: the serbian is the improved version of what you call the machine contemptuosly.


Bada Bing Says:

shows a gun that kills the other Serbian. So proclaims: “Here Serbian blood has been spilled, so the moon will be Serbian forever.”
—————————————
Hippy that was about an entire ethnicity and has no comparison with someone who “jokes” about Rafa personally. Maybe you don’t think this “joke” was ethnically targeted?


madmax Says:

Kimberly Says:
Long Rant on Mutliple Topics

Rafa developed his identity via Federer, when Federer was unbeatable, he was the only guy who could beat him. Federer the #1, Rafa the hunter. He developed his tennis identity this way. He never seemed confortable as the #1 to me.

Kimberley, disagree.

Rafa developed his identity by being a part of the Federer generation, agreed on that one, but the only one to beat Federer? No. Rafa beat everyone on clay, not just Federer, most of the time (save madrid 2009), and remember that Fed, apart from clay, has always defined rafa, on hard and on grass, until that beautiful match in 2008, the greatest ever. That is where rafa came into a different league, they have both defined each other, I feel, in different ways. Rafa is just outstanding on clay, but federer has never been the given the credit he deserves as being the second best clay courter of all time…so far…at RG, by reaching 5 finals and winning one of them.

No one else has done that, and because he has come second on so many occasions, a lot of pathetic so called tennis fans, see that as a failure.


Julia Says:

Tennis Hippy chic, your post at 8:16 AM was spot on! steve27′s attempt at “whatever” was offensive and uncalled for. I for one am sick of skeezer’s butt-picker comments or his “rafa girls” cracks.

I remember when Nole was mostly called the Joker because of his personality and antics. But that was back then and he is a different person. Still a quite enjoyable person with a great sense of humor, but respect needs to be given to him for his accomplishments! That is why I have always refused to called him “joker” or anything like that. it is always Nole in my eyes.

As far as tomorrows semis, I am nervous. Nole is the one man that can undo Rafa, if Rafa is not playing on all cylinders. Nole is giving him utmost respect in his comments, as he should, but Nole is a tough one in his own right. It will definitely be a great match! Personally, I would like Rafa to win, and also complete the only player to have a GS 9 years running, but I also understand Nole’s wish for his coach and a career slam.


jane Says:

Not saying I agree with the metaphor Steve 27, but oddly enough I read an article saying the exact same thing last night. Here’s the link:

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nadal-annihilates-wawrinka-reach-paris-last-four-165032204.html

If you read it, though, you’ll see the phrase “claycourt machine” is meant to be complimentary of Rafa, i.e., that Rafa on clay is nearly unbelievable and unbeatable on the surface. However, I can see how it can be taken negatively. It’s the same as calling another player a “wall.” This can be interpreted as positive or negative, depending on context and/or how it was meant, which isn’t always crystal clear.


Okiegal Says:

@hippy chic

I agree with you about some of the posts on this forum. Name calling, cruel hurtful statements should be left off this site. It shows lots of immaturity…..but just maybe the posters are juveniles, who knows for sure. Totally uncalled for.

Skeezer commented yesterday that Novak should moonball him. I watched a clip of Noah and Mats on a thread, and you talk about moonball, Noah was an expert at it. Wasn’t watching tennis that much then and the match was played so much different than what I see today.

Vamos, Rafa, take it to Novak and go all the way!!


Tennis x hippy chic Says:

Bada Bing your missing my point,targeting a players Race,Gender,Sexuality,age, or making a remark about a dissability,or saying that a player would prostitute his own mother for money,has no place on an internet forum thats the point i was trying to make,two wrongs dont make a right,its all still quite disciminatory,and all still prejudiced in one form or another,thats what is was driving at.


Okiegal Says:

Serena is rockin’ and rollin’ right now….irst set, 6 0


Steve 27 Says:

Michael, I meant that Rafa has won 2 of the finals he has played in SW 19. The match of 2011 is one of the worst of Nadal on grass. And if there is a major where Djokovic can lose his streak of consecutive semifinals, is Wimbledon.


Okiegal Says:

Chris Evert said to bring out Rafa and Novak now….she thinks Serena could beat them today. LOL


jane Says:

^^ Kind of boring though, extremely one-sided. Even last year’s final here was a bit closer. Serena’s never lost to Errani so this result was expected, although not quite this kind of blow out.

Interesting news about Mahut and Llodra. Great run for them!


Tennis x hippy chic Says:

Bada Bing and my post was an overall generalisation of players been targetted for anything other than their tennis,i didnt specifically use just Rafa i mentioned Roger too,this was never meant to be about emotional bias towards my favorite.


Tennis x hippy chic Says:

Serena is absoluetly crushing Errani,watch out Maria,im just pulling for Errani to actually win a game,to get on the scoreboard,i can see this match been 6 0,6 0.


Okiegal Says:

Well, the brighter side for Errani, she does get a paycheck, doesn’t she??


Steve 27 Says:

Federer is not even a top 5 clay courter of open era. You must to be read more about tennis history to said something like that. Nadal 5 finals in Wimbledon, 2 titles and one against the supposedly “GOAT”. Federer 5 finals in RG, 1 title and ZERO win against the clay courter GOAT. Who is better?. Following your logic, if not for Federer, Rafa would be up to Laver at Wimbledon (4 titles).


harry Says:

@mat4– yes, i agree: it is very hard to predict based on their matches so far. But I am just a bit hopeful for Nole :)

@hippy chic (if you are alison)– you are talking about principles; we know how it has been, and how it will be :)


Ben Pronin Says:

What do Nadal’s grass court credentials have to do with Federer’s clay court credentials?


Sirius Says:

“Federer is not even a top 5 clay courter of open era”

true, rafa #1, borg #2 and you, your mom and dad fill the rest of the 3 spots. Happy??


Ben Pronin Says:

Records-wise Federer isn’t top 5, but he’s definitely top 10.


Golden Child Says:

“Wog boy Says:
hippy chic,

Anybody can post and sign as “Golden child” and “Australian Serb” but that doesn’t mean that he/she is that what he is saying that he/she is, on the contrary, it means that he/she is provocator. That post came later and I saw it after I read your post. The way it is written has only one purpose and that is to antagonise other fair posters against Nole fans and Serbs. That post hasn’t been written by “Australian Serb” and Nole fan, that is for sure. It was a cheap shot, but it didn’t work.”

Sorry Wog Boy & Hippy Chic, but I AM in fact an Aussie Serb – a proud one might I add. And yes, I AM a Nole fan. I am just sick and tired of the treatment Novak gets from Rafa/Roger fans, the hatred that seems to resonate towards him, his heritage and accomplishments, is revolting. Even in person when he steps out on the court and during play, the wider audience doesn’t seem to recognize his skill level or his camaraderie towards fellow players.

My post wasn’t written to antagonize, but rather to highlight Novak’s humility, transparency and his grounded attitude towards his own success. I haven’t seen players like Nole, regularly clap or give a thumbs up to their opponents, or even pro-actively give away points to the person across the net. I have never seen him act like a spoiled brat or be a saw, disrespectful loser, like Roger & Nadal have demonstrated in their post match press conferences after losing. Reality is, with Rogers sunken in dark eyes, fake smile, and a falsely contrived ‘humble aura’, its sickening that there are legions of fans that believe that he is all that, a true gentlemen. But really, when you look at him, you never know what he’s really thinking. Much of the same can be said for Nadal. People have been conditioned out there to put Roger and Rafa up on a pedestal, and do the opposite to Novak. I never, ever, come across the amount of ‘hate mail’ and derogatory comments that villainies Nole.

For all you haters and doubters, Novak was world number 3 for a number of years, before he managed to claim the world number 1. He truly is a great ambassador for the sport and his country, and is a breath of fresh air.


Tennis x hippy chic Says:

Golden Child i dont have anything against Novak,i like the guy hes worked hard as you say for his success,when he retires he will also like Roger and Rafa go down as one of the histories all time greats,he may even surpass Rafas records yet who knows?but i think your unfair to attack Roger and Rafa in your defence of Novak,as they also work hard for their success too,if Novak wants to applaud his opponents shots then fair enough,however i dont think hes any better or worse than Roger/Rafa who dont do the same,and i dont think Roger/Rafas press conferences are any better or worse than Novaks either,and im not a poster who puts any of these players up on some god like pedestal,as the whole thing gets up my nose,they are tennis players thats all not gods,i only have interest in what they do on a tennis court,after that my interest is nil and void.


Giles Says:

Hey Sirius. Why are you bringing one’s mom and dad into a tennis discussion?
#GeezSomePosters???


Steve 27 Says:

Sirius is a piece of crap. I m sorry for your mother and your father. he is retarded.


Tennis x hippy chic Says:

Harry yeah i am Alison,sorry didnt see your post for a minute,ill skim through such posts in future :).


skeezer Says:

Stevie 27 says;

“Sirius is a piece of crap.”

You should talk. U write a piece of skewed crap on Fed that doesn’t even make sense. What do u expect in response?

#addpostfailtojokefail


nadalista Says:

You couldn’t make this up……….

Here was a nice Fedole Fans Anti-Rafa Alliance starting to take shape nicely on tennis-x blog and whadaya know, @Golden Child comes and poops all over it….

Sheesh……..


skeezer Says:

No, it was a repesectable Tennis fan group against the Rafa fanatic Empire machine. You got that wayyyyy backwards.


harry Says:

@Hippy Chic (2:49) — Ah! this reminds me once again of several episodes in “yes minister” :)


Tennis x hippy chic Says:

Harry i changed my monikor as its more in keeping about the kind of way i live my life in the real world,TBH i never saw Yes Minister,but i saw the links you put up a few months back though which were very funny,OFAH was always my favorite comedy both Wogboy,Mat4 and Courbon are all big fans.


Steve 27 Says:

skeezer, so if you made an opinion that I disagree, I have the permission to insult yor mother and father. Dont be a lier, and defend the indefendible. And Federer is not even top 5 on clay. is a fact that you cant change.


harry Says:

@skeezer: i ran into a couple of videos on Fed recently. Here they are:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BChmLyQydKk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QmzqPx1rHq0&feature=share


jane Says:

Personally speaking, I don’t belong to any “anti-Rafa” alliance.


harry Says:

@HC: Yes, i remember you mentioning OFAH. At that time I looked at a few clips from OFAH on YouTube and they were hilarious… I should watch the series…


Tennis x hippy chic Says:

Harry i have the whole series collection on DVD,it was quite expensive,but money well spent.


Tennis x hippy chic Says:

Harry just wondering where would the Hippy Chic bit fall in with Yes Minster as i as thats supposed to be political?


harry Says:

@HC — you’ve got me stumped here :) But on second thoughts… Yes minister did have a take on it… there was an episode where the minister’s daughter (who is a hippie) does some damage :)


Tennis x hippy chic Says:

Harry i do meditation,im also intersted in head massages and would love at some point to go camping and stay in a proper indian teepee,i love the native american way of life,and would love to go to canada one day and see the indian reserve and stay in a log cabin,but i promise i would never do anybody any damage lol :)


Wog boy Says:

Golden Child,
Sorry, I don’t buy it, even your nick is chosen carefully but your writing is not doing any favour to Nole and his people, on the contrary. You have to do better than that to convince me or anybody with else on this forum that you are what you claim you are. Are you doing night shift since your time of posting is pretty late or early if you are posting from Australia.
Don’t bother responding, I will not be reading it.


Golden Child Says:

Wog Boy.. mozes da mi pusis kitu. I am currently not in Australia, but that is irrelevant. But out of curiosity, how is it that am I doing Novak and his fellow fans a disservice, by highlighting our mutual frustration against the Federer/Nadal machine, that has everyone in an anti-Nole, ‘hope he fails’, mind set? Fundamentally, I am trying to emphasize the unsportsmanlike behaviour & unfairness Roger, Rafa along with their fan base, bring to the table when it comes to Novak and his character and accomplishments. Since whipping them both on a regular basis, and proving that he is in fact an overall better player than the both of them, Novak’s been presented as the ultimate villain, or the antagonist if you will that shouldn’t be a part of the ‘elite’. I am sick to my stomach at some of the more ethnic related comments that are being published out there in the wild, by so called Nadal or Rogers fans, and Serb haters.


Wog boy Says:

Golden Child,

Daj mami da ti popusi kitu picko jedna smrdljiva.


harry Says:

@HC: Re ‘Yes Minister’ being political — having watched it only 4 or 5 years back, the political side of the series was mostly lost on me. Personally, I find the series to be a tour de force in employing sarcasm & irony towards larger forming arguments.


Golden Child Says:

Prvo moram da zavrsim s jebanjem tvoje keve, sestre, i babe, pa cu se onda obratiti svojoj. Uzivaj ;)


harry Says:

@HC (4:07) — Ah! I should have used damage within quotes :) You see, I did not mean real damage: i meant in jest :) By the way, my last post was written before I saw yours…


harry Says:

^– it is sometimes difficult to express the tone in text :)


Tennis x hippy chic Says:

Harry everythings good,no offencve was taken,everythings cool:).


Giles Says:

I wish people would stop blabbering in foreign languages. The last time I checked this is an English speaking site.


contador Says:

Giles – we actually agree on something ^^^^ or maybe I am just jealous ;)


contador Says:

jealous because I don’t understand I meant. oh my. Foot in mouth problem today.


Wog boy Says:

@4:38pm

I didn’t hear you telling that to your mate Steve 27 we he posts often in German, Italian, Spanish ….


Wog boy Says:

contador,

It wasn’t really friendly exchange, you are better of not to know what was said. He, GC, is just a troll with some language knowledge.


Steve 27 Says:

Please, wong boy, I write positive and encouraging things, not bad things between you and your fellow.


skeezer Says:

Me thinks we should just all meet at the Pub and challenge each other in some Tennis X Team Mud Wrestling. Wog boy and I will watch from the Bar…..


Golden Child Says:

Wog Boy..

A troll I am not. Znanje svog maternjog jezika je tu zato što sam školovan, pismeno i usmeno, engleskim i srpskim jezikom. Ako si ti srbin, a i to je veliko pitanje, reci mi molim te šta te to toliko opteretilo što se tiče mojih komentara? U kakvom kontekstu su bilo negativni prema Noletu i svima onima koji mu drže podršku? Jesi li ti jedna imbecilna budala koja ne ume da sklapa pismeno mišljenje drugih?


skeezer Says:

^Steve 27 and giles will provide the mud.
Wog boy and I will provide commentary…from the Bar of course.


jane Says:

I suspect harry and mat4 will be at the bar too.

contador and I will be outside with Margaritas! Lime for me.


DonQ Says:

Sentimental favorite for me, is ND over RN, and JT over DF, but afraid it will just flip from that. I think Djokovic’s recent M-C over Rafa may have been a fluke. Nadal is a nose-rubbing-pinching, butt-scratching machine. I’ll bet that after that surgery you could run him through a scanner and discover a “series 800″ terminator under that skin. I’m just sayin’ He’s that good, that consistent. Read a little of his bio and his quirks, and lets play this match on a floating court 100 yards offshore in deep water.


contador Says:

Wog boy, I recognize some of the words from the Sportlemon live chat room ;) Thinking I better stay out of it. I am not sure what the rant is about anyway. Is this a terribly anti-Nole tennis forum? I don’t think it is, but I have become fairly immune from ignoring a lot of posts.

Cheers to you Wog boy. I need to get off the computer and stop dreaming about The Match!


contador Says:

yes, right this way jane and I we are outside where the guacamole and chips are …


Wog boy Says:

@4:59pm

He is not my fellow, just another troll. Trolls don’t have nationality, they are just that, trolls.


D.E.S.T.N.E1 Says:

Wog boy, speak for yourself. I’m convinced!

GC is doing a service to us by explaining so eloquently the hate that exist not only here but on many other forums. The hate transcends beyond tennis boundaries and attacks a whole nation in what could be labeled as nothing other than rasism. Its concerning since even the moderates are condition to think this way and find it acceptable to discriminate a people if you say it’s a joke. I’m sick of it!

Maybe if Novak had a more sterile and cold personality and was sponsored by Nike or addidas along with many other tournament sponsors like some top players(even though it seems like a conflict of interest to have players sponsored by tournament sponsors) he would enjoy the media love his accomplishments deserve. sadly I don’t think that would be enough only because he’s a Serb and loves God. The machine won’t allow it!


Ty Says:

Whoa.

I think one of the most surprising elements of adult life has been the realization of just how childish adults can be. These people demanding an apology for a joke, on a forum of strangers; it blows me away. How do you survive through day-to-day living if something like THAT is what puts your panties in a twist? The real crime is Steve’s joke wasn’t funny or well delivered.

Boy. Only privilege creates such a sensitivity. Come down off the high horse and rub your nose in it if you wanna sit back and complain with any degree of authenticity.

For the match:
I like Novak in this one. All signs point towards the Serbian laying in the red dirt on his back after the final ball has been struck. These two nearly killed one another in the AO final a few years back and I expect the same On Friday. I cannot wait!


Steve 27 Says:

Ty, Tsonga Ferrer match is prime time. so, wale up early!


madmax Says:

Steve 27 Says:
Federer is not even a top 5 clay courter of open era.

that’s your opinion Steve. I am talking about the FO. I am talking about how many times Fed has got to the final of the FO and no one gives him credit for it.5 finals at FO is some achievement. That’s what I am saying. It’s people like you who degrade those achievements.

Still, I guess this pleases small minds.


harry Says:

@jane (5:10): ha ha! you are spot on (in the first sentence). It amuses me no end to think mat4 forming forming his “hypotheses” while watching the tense match.*evil grin*. Somehow I thought you preferred to do “cleaning” when Nole played ;)
@WB: Ajde!


jane Says:

harry, yes yes, I was always sweeping. In fact today I cleaned to ward off the building trepidation. But the problem is that our new place is – well – much easier to keep clean because it’s new! So what now then? Perhaps pilates? Or perhaps margaritas, ongoing, throughout the match? Then at least whatever happens at the end, I’ll be happy. And if I mix pilates and margaritas, I’ll be happy and fit!. ;)


harry Says:

@jane: Ah! that is why we did not hear about the cleaning ;) Any way congratulations for the house…

My $0.02 — margaritas can not be bad (at least in the short run) but pilates can be (i considered doing it and after reading articles like this decided against it):
http://tinyurl.com/la7mgso


Okiegal Says:

@hippy chic

You need to come to Oklahoma, we have lots of native American tourist centers to visit.

Speaking of foreign languages……here’s Native American, Chickasaw: ish kish chola kistua, not spelled right, I’m sure, because I’m not Native American. The Native Americans were code talkers during world war 2. Doesn’t have anything to do with tennis, however, but there’s a lot of comments on this forum that don’t.

About our favs……why don’t we just agree to disagree. The banter back and forth never changes.

I have been coming to TX for a year, and the comments are the goat issue and Nole not getting the attention he deserves since he is #1 in the world. I too find that interesting. What’s up with that? I think people hold that against him because of his parents and the way they act at his matches…but after all he’s their son. And they will support him.

Just my 2 cents worth……not that anyone here cares. lol

Vamos Rafa and get the WIN tomorrow……this Okie Chick will be pulling for you!!


mat4 Says:

@harry, jane:

Oh, no. Won’t go to a bar. They have TV everywhere now. I’ll be mowing the lawn, tomorrow…


harry Says:

@mat4: So many hours of lawn-mowing will make yours the best in France :) Do you think it will be a five-setter? Somehow i don’t think it will be… One of them will build up momentum and be done with it (their AO 2012 was an exception; for eg., Wimb 11, USO 11, RG 12 etc). Although i think the four sets will take 4 hours :-)


Okiegal Says:

Oops, my post at 7:38 should have been on another thread……the one where all the foreign languages were being used. Don’t know how I managed to do that….talented at the computer, I guess………NOT!!!!! LOL


Okiegal Says:

Oh, I scrolled up and I am on the right one after all. I got a message and it said I had posted it twice. Don’t know what happened but it’s good reading, so I’m sure you guys will enjoy it again!! LOL

Aren’t there any humorous people on this chat??

Have a drink or something and let’s get rowdy!!!


mat4 Says:

@harry:

Listen, in the last three years I made wrong picks every time I picked a winner, from explaining my son why Novak can’t lose against Roger at the FO two years ago, or why the match is good as over after the second set in that WB semi last year (and now, he doesn’t believe anything I say), to being convinced that Novak has found his mojo again after the USO QF against DelPo.

It was so easy in 2005, 2006: Roger won everywhere except on clay, Rafa won on clay, so simple. I almost started betting again.

But since 2011, I have been reminded that the game is not just a game, that so many little things can have an impact on the results, and that the margins among the top players are so tiny. As a Novak fan, I remember clearly how his QF against an in form Monfils changed the outcome of the semi at the OG 2008 (and Nadal serving to the body in the third set), how the schedule and the wind at FM heavily influenced the outcome too, I cannot not to think about fixed draw (though, now, Novak is “protected” at the AO), about the public, the Babolat balls, changed to suit more Rafa’s game, etc.

So, I’ll say that Rafa will win in three, hoping that, as usual, I will make the wrong pick.


mat4 Says:

I usually feel a bit uneasy when I pick according to my wishes, but now I really feel quite bad. I really don’t see how Novak can win that match.

But that’s the way I always feel before big matches. To quote jane, fandom is a strange country.

I honestly don’t see how Novak can win against Rafa, or Murray, before a match, ever. I know how he can win against Roger, but it doesn’t make me feel more relaxed. When I think about a match against Rafa, I always see the ball coming back, once more, and once more, and Novak finally missing. La force de l’habitude. Against Murray, I see a big serve, and a despairing sliced BH, and the ball floating back again and again and again. I try to be rational, thinking that Murray doesn’t have a clear gameplan most of the time, that Rafa has to run too, but to no avail.

To finish:

But I also felt a bit uneasy picking Roger to win the QF. That second and third sets against Simon bothered me, but I just saw the fifth, when Fed was the superior player. I watched Tsonga against Troicki and he played just business class tennis, nothing special, but a good, high level. I picked wrong, as always.

So, definitely: Rafa in three.


mat4 Says:

@harry:

BTW, I am not in France, now. I work abroad for years. I’ll be there in July I hope.


Steve 27 Says:

Aren’t there any humorous people on this chat?

Phrases you never hear:
Lleyton is an Argentine” more” (Chela)
” Not because they were against me, if I’m always very respectful of the public” (Thomas Berdych in Madrid).
” Call Justine and said if I wanted to come to my birthday party” (Serena Williams)
” Rafa is no example of anyone, should sanction” (Roger Federer)
” I always thought that the physical is most important, that’s why I have always followed a strict regimen since I” professional
(David Nalbandian)
” And I said …. well, I’ll give up …” (Rafa Nadal)


harry Says:

@mat4: yes, I see what you mean… let us talk about this match 2 or 3 weeks later.


Okiegal Says:

Steve 27, you and I are almost as funny as HR and the Great Davy. LOL Anyway, it was Ben who I think should loosen up a bit…….way too serious.

Vamos, Rafa you fans want #8!!!


mat4 Says:

Harry,

BTW, sometimes I have to work in a program that doesn’t have a counterpart in Linux, and I spend a few days in that other operating system.

Although I installed Valentine, VLC, Lyx, FocusWriter… the same software I use under Mint, it became so… difficult. I can’t even find a decent mail client (finally opted for Claws mail, but have to find a PIM, now).

And about the match: I noticed that there are no RG matches on youtube. I just hope to find one after, to watch it in peace (many times, I hope).


mat4 Says:

Finally found highlights from Rafabio! (I downloaded them a few days ago, but forgot about it.)

Having watched them, I just feel plain better, calmer.


Wog boy Says:

mat4,

just sit back, relax and enjoy, I am pretty sure you are familiar with following scenery. BTW, the ski resort that is on this video is where Nole lived and started to play tennis.

http://youtu.be/R-lYiljw5ww


harry Says:

@mat4 — It is interesting to compare the software we use… Regarding mail clients: can’t you use Thunderbird? I have used that for years now, and it is a decent one [quite easy to install on ubuntu]… I have not used Claws mail [i'll try it later]. And I have not used Lyx either [but i use latex too for creating documents and for making presentations, but only with an editor like vi]… I have not even heard of FocusWriter or Valentine… My day to day activities involve using more of python, shell scripts, matlab etc…

Yeah, I am also disappointed that there are no RG matches already on youtube. Like you say, hopefully it appears soon…


harry Says:

@mat4 — I forgot to add that if you have a software that does not work on linux, but does on windows, you could try Wine [http://tinyurl.com/mvwhvp2] — it is a windows emulator [it is quite decent]. Otherwise there are more serious alternatives with Virtual Machines [http://tinyurl.com/8ldtaso]. Of course, you could also setup a dual boot system…


mat4 Says:

@harry: I had to setup a dual boot system. It was somehow the simplest to do when I started.

Under Linux, I use evolution, because of the PIM capabilities. My wife uses Thunderbird, and she likes it (all my other computers are under Ubuntu, where TB is the default). But now I’ll start an embarrassing story…

I never used a mail client under msw. I switched to lx a few years ago, but before that, I almost never used the Internet. I wrote my letters by hand, the good old way, played chess, and used my computer for my writings and for DTP. I didn’t even use a wireless phone, and when I finally bought one, I used to switch it off when I walked in the street, when I was with my friends, and when I was at home. My battery lasted weeks before recharging. Anyway, I am still horrified by phones, internet tracking, GPS… I use TOR whenever I surf.

Then, I discovered Russian sites… with books, and more books. And a few tennis sites.

And I made the mistake to set up an account, and emails started to flow.

Anyway, today, most of my job is done with FocusWriter (I like the sound of the typewriter, the blue or black screen, the white letters; it reminds me of WordStar, ChiWriter… programs I liked well), LYX, Zotero, Keepnote, and it wasn’t Valentine, but Clementine, to listen a bit of music from time to time.

About TeX: learning it bit by bit, when I need it. But it helped me craft some really beautiful books.


mat4 Says:

BTW, I worked years on PC’s, and still know the DOS commands. So, Linux was a bit hard the first few days only. Basically, for a user, it’s the same. I was even able to compile my own wireless drivers (I bought this laptop with SLED installed, but I made the mistake to switch to Mint and reformat the disk), and there’s no problems finding solution to problems on lx fora.

I didn’t try to work under wine. In one year or two, Lyx will have better import filters and I will completely switch to Linux. Document compatibility was never a problem, since I was very careful about it.


mat4 Says:

@WB:

Beautiful landscapes, and beautiful music too.


Nadalista Says:

@jane, my apologies. I should have been categoric in my post and said “@jane excepted”. Judging by your posts, you certainly are independent minded, not a sheep, not a part of the anti-Rafa alliance that has taken shape on here. Not that such an alliance will influence Rafa’s form on court, just an observation that’s all.

Quite hilarious to see the desperate attempts to shut the poop throwers up.

Disturbing as well.

I may not like what I hear half the time on this forum but it has never occurred to me to shut them up.

Jeez.

Different strokes indeed………


mat4 Says:

@Nadalista:

Yes, we from the Fedole antiRafa alliance are sheep, but at least, we are ethereal, high tech sheep. We don’t use brains, just the computer. Easier.

Anyway, why sheep? Why not cows, horses? Yes, fools and horses!

Only fools and horses…

Be serious! Most of us from the “entente cordiale” are years on this blog. We respect each other but we have the right to root for any player we want. What’s the problem there? From time to time we disagree a bit, or a bit more, but who cares?


Nadalista Says:

@skeezer, You fool no-one. If you and your pathetic Alliance reserved your bile for Rafans your post would make sense. But you don’t, your real target is Rafa and your reasons for your dislike are obvious, so is your cozying up to Novak and his fans.

Let’s indulge your spurious argument for a bit. If the reason your harass Rafans is because they torment you on Internet sites, what reason do you have to post vile, hate filled stuff about Rafa? When has he ever inter-acted with you? What has he done to you?

And of course you have set yourself up as the Leader of this Anti-Rafa Alliance. I hope the job pays well.


Sirius Says:

“Sirius is a piece of crap”

ha ha ha. then we’re of the same group. though i couldn’t surpass you by becoming more than a crap


Humble Rafa Says:

Humble Nation..I need your help tomorrow.

We will use any means to win tomorrow. Some people who are not Egg Lover fans will rile against us. We know who they are. Ignore them, and work towards our goal.

As always,

Your Humble Highness


skeezer Says:

nadalista,

This is where your types are delusional. You said “alliance”. U posted it. U claimed it. not me.
I say none exists with me. I Align with myself. YOU types however, claim it. Invented it. Go to TT, facts are facts.

You lie with my reasons for Novak, Why? Your Rafafanatism blinds you. Have clearly said, and repeated so, that when Fed is gone the next players game I like is Novak by far. As a tennis fan am I suppose to go away in a hole and forget tennis? Unlike you types, no. I am Tennis fan.

Why do I like Nole? His strokes, technically, are superior than anyone in the game (Fed excluded). I admire and appreciate classic technique, not thrashing nor hacking.

But I know you types reasons of insecurity. U think I align myslf with him to retain Feds records. How stupid and insecure. Do you seriously think Nole will ever challenge Rafa’s records on Clay?

You can rant and accuse all you want, but when Fed is out, this poster beleives the only thing that will keep Nole from making his own great records will be in his head, not in his superbly designed strokes.


Michael Says:

Alison,

Why you changed your code name to Tennis Hippy Chic ? Just wondering ??


skeezer Says:

Mat4 12:19 post

Disclaimer; no alliance

Shammooon!


mat4 Says:

@Skeez:

No disclaimer needed. There is no alliance, of course. Just tried to be a bit sarcastic.

But I am convinced that there is respect, at least, among many old posters. And we certainly not sheep.

BTW, did you notice that some Rafans seem a little bit… nervous?


Giles Says:

Most posters on this forum are nervous, nothing unusual, except of course if one is inhuman!
#StatingTheObvious


harry Says:

@mat4 (11:01 & 11:10) — A really interesting posts. It is fascinating that you use tor on day-to-day basis. I considered it but thought that it’s an overkill [i am happy with a bunch of anti-tracking browser extensions]… Doesn’t tor make the page-download really slow? i mean it works by routing your IP packets through a pool of proxy servers, right?

Also interesting that you mention about it being a mistake to switch to Mint from Suse. I wanted to switch to Mint too — so i recently tried a live CD with Mint and tried booting 3 or 4 times… It crashed a couple of times :) So I decided to stick with my ubuntu — i don’t like ubuntu much [because i don't agree with their emphasis] but ubuntu has probably the best online community [and therefore good support]… After your story i feel vindicated in not switching to Mint…

Ah! don’t get me started on chess :) If I have time, I plan to implement Elo rating for tennis [it should be fascinating to see how the peak ratings of Fed, Nole and Rafa compare with the past players -- i have a seen a couple of people posting Elo ratings online -- but i doubt their results]… The math behind Elo rating is quite simple, really… The chief difficulty is in acquiring and formatting all the past results…

About tex: it not only produces beautiful text [mathematical formulas looks so clean], it is a realization of the beautiful concept of abstraction — i.e dividing the task of producing a manuscript into creating the raw text, converting it into a display format, and then displaying it [a software like Word just messes/combines it into one stage]… If you liked latex for documents, you will like xfig for producing vector graphics [latex itself can produce really nice vector graphics]…


harry Says:

@skeezer, mat4: you may like this :)
http://tinyurl.com/6q2dhb


mat4 Says:

@Harry:

I already calculated the ELO for Novak’s peak season, 2011. I posted it here last year, I think. Should have it somewhere on my disk.

About TeX: I use xetex, since I have to prepare complex multiscript documents. It is easier.

BTW, the link was great. Watched MPFC years ago, but now, I think I lost my time: I didn’t understand it then, and now, I live it daily.


Tennis x hippy chic Says:

Michael i changed my monikor because its more in tune,with what i am about in the real world,read my post to Harry @4.07pm June 6th,meditation,healing with natural medicine,healing with sound,walking barefoot on the ground,getting back to nature,and not been so fixated with meterialistic pocessions,that exsist in this plasic world we live in,i became a Pagan 4 years ago.


Tennis x hippy chic Says:

Thanks Oakiegal @7.38pm June 6th,i would love to come to Oklahoma then too,i just love that way of life.


Michael Says:

Tennis X Hippy Chic,

It is your choice Alison. But Alison as a name had some attraction which is absent in what you have chosen now. Well, that is my perception. But still you have reasons to make the change you wish.


Tennis x hippy chic Says:

Michael sorry i have to be true to myself though,you can still call me Alison if you wish,i was just pointing out my reasons is all:).


Giles Says:

^^^ Sorry but I agree with @Michael. Somehow I don’t think your new moniker portrays the image of @alison we have been used to in the past. JMO


Tennis x hippy chic Says:

Im still the same person underneath,so i dont get what difference it makes,call me Alison if you wish,its niether here nor there to me TBH.


Wog boy Says:

@D.E.S.T.N.E1 Says:
“Wog boy, speak for yourself.”

And you speak for yourself please. I haven’t seen neither of you arguing and fighting with Nolehaters for years on TX, as I did, so you don’t have any credibility nor you have right to tell me anything. GC, if you are not same person, did show his eloquence nicely with his language. I was the one who told first what I think about the joke and I don’t need some little prick to teach me anything about patriotism nor I need you to tell me about demonising Serbs in media since I was on receiving and here in Australia (almost 30 years). This is not a place and blog where you discuss those things, there are places and blogs for that. You and GC can do much better things for your country instead antaginizing people with the way you are posting. For your information I wasn’t able to go back to Serbia until 90′s since I joined organization, here in Sydney, that was against communist regime in former Yugoslavia and my father had to retire earlier because of me since he worked for government. I have seen fare bit of local patriots here who are going to AO just to pick up a fight with Croats or Bosnians (they are the same, nothing better) or go on soccer with Sydney Croatia for the same reason (Croats are the same), and then go back to their suburbs pretending they are good Serbs (Croats). Meanwhile, after evning news, I have to go next morning to work and to explain my Aussie colleges what happened, after I spend months and years explaing them how media has demonized Serbs, because of bunch of !diots who call themself, “Veliki Srbi.” So give me a break please, when I see you posting regulary here for few years you can talk to me and that “balavac” GC. Or you can be my guest next year in “Guca festival” where I have house nearby and teach you and that little prick something about patriotism.


Golden Child Says:

Ok, point taken. Things got out of hand and the topic really should have been about the nature of the article itself. But a balavac I am not. I was born in Australia, educated in Serbia & Australia. Perhaps I let my frustrations and emotions get the better of me when you’re constantly exposed to numerous anti-Novak or anti-Serb bashing posts, by whichever respective individuals. But you know, sometimes you have to feel like that people are just so ignorant, that the only thing left to do is to knock some sense into narrow minded or corrupt minds. And if using harsh words to convey one’s point of view is something one must resort to, so be it. Obviously I managed to hit a nerve. But the wrong nerve.. a fellow Serb’s nerve. Why? Well the fact of the matter is that your first contact with me was on a negative note, as you were constantly trying to dismiss my credibility as a Serb with an opinion, or the contents of my post. At the same time, I am not your typical, balkan, ultra-patriotic spectator with an ill-intent or a lack of objectivity & fairness. On the contrary, to me the main problem here has been a lack of fairness by people that do not know how to give credit to someone when credit is due. As for your invitation to Guča, my buddy and fellow Serb, D.S.T.N.E.1. and I, would be delighted to take you up on your offer, I’ll even bring you a bottle of my late grandfathers šljivovica, which I’m sure you’ll enjoy.

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