Exhausted Murray Out Of Rain-Soaked Toronto, Remaining Players Face Challenging Weekend

by Sean Randall | August 10th, 2012, 9:36 am
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Hailing from England Andy Murray knows a thing or two about rain. And he knows water and outdoor hardcourt tennis just don’t mix. So yesterday citing some knee soreness but likely a dubious forecast and an exhausting post gold medal media tour, Murray opted out of the Toronto Masters to rest up for Cincinnati and the upcoming US Open. Smart move, Andy. The kid is learning.

“It was a bit sore yesterday, then I had some treatment after the match,” Murray said. “It felt a bit better, and then came in today, I saw the physios, they did some work on it, and it’s still a bit sore.

“I did a little warm-up on the bike to try it out and it was still sore, so I had to make a decision as to what I was going to do… I don’t want to go full out and possibly do any more damage. That was why I decided not to play.”


Weather permitting, Murray was scheduled to play Canadian Milos Raonic in a highly anticipated third round showdown.

“It’s unfortunate. I think it would have been a fun match,” Murray said of his match against Raonic. “I hope he has a good tournament. Be great for him to go deep in this the tournament here for the first time.”

With Murray now out, the only player left from the Top 6 is defending Canadian champ Novak Djokovic. And with the all day rain yesterday and more forecasted today, one has to wonder if Djokovic, who is also coming off a busy weekend in London, is considering exiting as well.

If the rain continues Friday it’s likely the winner will have to play two matches Saturday, the semifinals on Sunday and then the final on Monday. And after go directly to Cincinnati to play Tuesday night or Wednesday. That’s just a lot of tennis in a short timeframe and for someone like Djokovic who has a US Open title defense around the corner is the risk worth the reward? Or maybe he’ll try to win this week and skip Cincinnati. We’ll see.

But with so many of the top players out, Djokovic and others have a real opportunity to pick up some important ranking points Toronto. And Murray’s pull out already put Raonic in the quarters meaning he likely won’t have to double-up his match schedule.

As for Rafael Nadal, who confirmed yesterday that he won’t play Cincinnati either, he’s in trouble. Nadal’s knee is still not 100% and who knows when it will be. Even if it’s not healed I expect him to be at the US Open but unless he gets a very favorable draw it’s hard to see him being much of a factor there. Players just don’t take two months off to recover from a knee injury and do well on the slick, unforgiving hardcourts at the US Open. This isn’t women’s tennis.

That said, if Nadal does get to full health by New York, perhaps this break helps him at the end of the year. It’s not much of a silver lining but for Nadal fans it’s something.

ESPN2 has live coverage starting at 1pm ET and again at 7pm ET.

FRIDAY TORONTO SCHEDULE

STADIUM start 11:00 am
[14] R Gasquet (FRA) vs [4] T Berdych (CZE)
Not Before 1:00 PM
[1] N Djokovic (SRB) vs S Querrey (USA)
Not Before 3:00 PM
[7] J Monaco (ARG) or [11] M Fish (USA) vs [14] R Gasquet (FRA) or [4] T Berdych (CZE)
Not Before 7:00 PM
[8] J Isner (USA) or [12] P Kohlschreiber (GER) vs [16] M Raonic (CAN)
[1] N Djokovic (SRB) or S Querrey (USA) vs T Haas (GER) or R Stepanek (CZE)

GRANDSTAND start 11:00 am
[7] J Monaco (ARG) vs [11] M Fish (USA)
Not Before 1:00 PM
[8] J Isner (USA) vs [12] P Kohlschreiber (GER)
[5] J Melzer (AUT) / L Paes (IND) vs [3] M Fyrstenberg (POL) / M Matkowski (POL)
J Chardy (FRA) or M Granollers (ESP) vs [10] M Cilic (CRO) or [5] J Tipsarevic (SRB)


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104 Comments for Exhausted Murray Out Of Rain-Soaked Toronto, Remaining Players Face Challenging Weekend

El Flaco Says:

If Nadal gets a draw like he did in 2010 then he will go deep, but I doubt lightning will strike twice in the same place for him.


Chamberlain Zhang Says:

“Even if it’s not healed I expect him to be at the US Open but unless he gets a very favorable draw it’s hard to see him being much of a factor there. Players just don’t take two months off to recover from a knee injury and do well on the slick, unforgiving hardcourts at the US Open. This isn’t women’s tennis.”

Tennis commentators tend to be hyperbolic and too certain. Too often, the go with the general ebb and momentum of things.

Federer was an old soon-to-retire player before Wimbledon this year. Yet, after he won, he was a shoo-in for the Olympics. EVEN after a record breaking marathon semi against Del Potro, commentators went against their better judgement, caught up in the excitement and claimed it was going to be a win for Federer.

How can you be so sure about Nadal?


the mind reels Says:

@El Flaco: 2010 was an amazing year for Nadal — he bagged the French, Wimbledon, and the US Open. He’d built up an even stronger aura of invincibility on the big stage, and things were clicking for him. As you say, his draw also wasn’t the toughest on record at Flushing that year. Even if he were fortunate enough to get a draw like that again, I think that players are now feeling more confident against him on medium to faster speed courts, which makes his challenge of getting back into match shape even tougher.

I fully expect him to make the second week at Flushing, but it could be a rough road through the first couple of rounds if he comes up against someone who’s been playing well and is confident. The last time we saw Nadal, he’d been blasted off the court by a guy ranked in the triple digits with no fast-court pedigree to speak of. He’s tough as nails, though, so credit to his ability to bounce back from difficult situations.


Sienna Says:

Manny of the nadafans have problems adjesting Rafas place in the current tennis hiarchie.
They refer Manny a times to 2010 like that is just a few months a go.
You must try to cherise those wins and not make mistake it is still going on.
FEDfans cheris those years and all of his wins this years.
delusional is what a few of them are. Iwish for them that reality will kick in over the next few months.
Your man is losing ground very quickly.


trufan Says:

Looks like Fed was the smart one withdrawing from Toronto last saturday itself!! He must be flying to cincinnati today or tomorrow, and will be relatively fresh to practice and play on hard courts. Murray seems to have hurt his knee, Nadal is still not healed up, Djokovic is playing sub par so far this year relative to last year – he even lost the Bronze match to a tired Del Potro. Seems like Fed will again come back strong for the hard court season!!


dari Says:

Rog is already in cincy, trufan :)

RT @CincyTennis Roger Federer has arrived in Cincinnati and is practicing on Center Court. #CincyTennis http://t.co/QX4WRXs0

Go Rog!


skeezer Says:

^ YEA!


Gaga Says:

Federer will not win the USO.

No roof there to safe him like at Wimbledon.


madmax Says:

gaga, you are talking gaga. So by all accounts, the first set was NOT in Roger’s favour because murray played without the roof?

D’uh!

Believe it or not, Roger WILL win the USO IF he plays better than all the others. Simple really. It’s wide open. Wide open.


Brando Says:

fed’s my pick for cincy.

Cannot see nole winning rogers cup (he will win this) and cincy back to back.

then muzza? doubt it.

so it’s fed’s IMO- i think he is record winner here also, so clearly he likes the place!


conty Says:

hey tennis bracketeers:

i missed the Toronto bracket too; like most bracketeers did. But come on, skeezer, Kimmi, jane….all others. must get a little practice in before US Open. right?

guessing Murray will ready for US Open, Rafa too.


Mark Says:

@ Gaga. I’m with you on that one – he won’t have his comfort blanket in the USO!!


Brando Says:

‘nole winning rogers cup (he will win this)’

Yep, DEFINITELY now!

He (nole) is the ONLY top 10 player in the rogers cup QTR- except for the dangerous….. TIPSY!

LMAO- feel sorry for the rogers cup, as this is turning out to be the most depleted final 8 i have seen in a MS for a long, long time!


Mark Says:

Apparently Tsonga has pulled out of Cincy!


Master Ace Says:

No reason to doubt Murray. He has a genuine knee problem since childhood. He could have used that knee as excuse, but he was honest.

Federer rarely withdraws once he starts playing. He gives tournaments and fans notice by withdrawing before it begins.

Nadal’s knees are good by now. He is practising hard. He will be a factor at US Open. At least semifinals. Maybe even win.


Kimberly Says:

Don;t forget the bracket challenge everyone. Come on! I even do it with no Rafa!


Kimberly Says:

challenge.atpworldtour.com join group tennisxfans. All are welcome and wanted. The chat section is great, much better than the GS! Lots of chat during the matches! Dave, Madmax, all of you, bring it! There are fans of all players, Rafa, Fed, Murray, Novak and more


Fot Says:

Gaga said there is no roof to help Roger at the USOpen.

Um…how many US Opens (or for that matter), how many grand slams has Roger won without playing under a roof?

Some people think Roger can’t win unless he has a roof! Lol! Tell that to his opponents from his other 16 grand slams that were not played under a roof!


Gaga Says:

Very peculiar that Roger Federer had not won a slam in more than 2 years and all of the sudden Wimbledon becomes an indoor tournament and he wins it. No roof, no slam for Roger Federer. Like we saw at the Olympics final. He has not won the USO in four years and there will not be a roof for him to win it now that he is aging. We know he is an amazing indoors player, one of the best indoors players ever. So it was no surprise that Roger Federer won Wimbledon the year it was basically an indoors tournament. Had it been an outdoors BO5 tournament, he would have lost to the younger Djokovic or Murray. Only at AO and Wimbledon will he be aided by his best friend the friendly roof.


SG1 Says:

Roger’s won many a major in less than perfect conditions. However, the roof being closed did help him. His average first serve velocity increased from 120 mph to 125 mph and he looked more comfortable take big swipes at Murray’s serve.


dari Says:

Ok gonna try to remember to do cincy bracket. Thanks for reminder conty, Kimberly.
But they postponed men’s draw due to rain delaying the roubds, no?


dari Says:

Never mind, they are saying they will do men’s draw tonight


dari Says:

Gaga, you should play with Roger’s racket some time and see why he might play better without some of the elements.

Not to mention, both players get the advantages of indoor conditions with the serve and groundstrokes, roger just shines more with them


Brando Says:

Not a fed fan, BUT saying his success at wimby is solely due to the roof is just plain silly.

Is he the best indoors right now? No doubt about it in my mind.

BUT, novak and muzza both played well in those matches (SF and F)imo, and it really was a close call decide by very few points.

Fed just played better in the bigger moments- especially in the SF, where tart to finish his level was extremely high.

So all in all, yes the roof helps him, BUT by no means does it decide the outcome of the match.

Besides he beat rafa w/o a roof this year (IW), muzza (Dubai)- so he can do so w/o a roof!

Bit of a silly notion being discussed really!


Brando Says:

^start to finish, lol at the tart bit! :-)


El Flaco Says:

Very peculiar that Roger Federer had not won Indian Wells in 6 years and all of the sudden Indian Wells becomes an indoor tournament and he wins it. No roof, no Masters 1000 for Roger Federer.

Oh wait a minute.


dari Says:

Lol el flaco.
I will listen to Brando and say no more about the roof.

I am looking forward to seeing if fed can get a uso title back, it has been a while. Cheering for Andy at the same time, too. its a new thing to me to really like two players that much to cheer for both at a major.

Cincy first though and I will be all in for roger on that one.


conty Says:

hi dari! i did the cincy draw in less than 5 minutes and picked feddy bear. but i’m waffling. probably will give bracket a makeover, for better or worse, and check player activity and h2h, if i have time. At least i won’t get zero points this time!

yep, gut feeling said rf for cincy.

ignoring that anti-fed roof nonsense…sheesh, how silly!


skeezer Says:

El Flaco,

Lol @ 8:53!!! Fed haters always try to throw sh!t against the wall but it never ever sticks.


conty Says:

hey, skeezer! are you doing the cincy bracket, sweetie? ; ) hehehe, get in the game, mon amie.


Daniel Says:

Is it just me ir the ATP site is not working fir the past 5 h?! I am trying to submit my Cincy Bracket but the site is not loading. S…t!


Kimberly Says:

Colin got grandma Joan to pick a bracket. Pretty bad. Unless roger federer fan decides to play she will likely finish last


Daniel Says:

Have you guys tried reading the chats in those sportslemon live streams?!
I am LMAOL with some lines: Novak Glutenovic; best male player: Serena, to quote a few.
The exchange of ofenses is intense, but eventually you will laugh:)


conty Says:

that’s comforting news, Kimberly.

did you just recently find the sportlemon chat, Daniel? lol…not for anyone easily offended but highly entertaining at times!

tommy haas serving for 2nd set? what? break back NOLE!


conty Says:

Daniel, have you tried a different browser for ATP bracket? worked easy for me on firefox.


Daniel Says:

Yes Conty, I had saved last pages with rankings for example and I was able to enter. But the maun page is not working, only trhough the saved pages.

Hard to pick betwenn Raonic and Gasquet, but Cincy is so fast I’ll go with Raonic.


Brando Says:

WOW- STANDING OVATION FOR TOMMY HAAS!

34 years old, no. 25 in the world, battered body after years of serious injury and he takes a set of the current AO, USO and rogers cup champion- novak djokovic!

WOW- awesome stuff tommy!

Exceeded all expectations so far in the match- regardless of the outcome, you have done amazing!

Well done, for sure!


conty Says:

6-3, 3-6. tommy takes the 2nd.

hm, not watching the match but now feeling concerned and wondering…


conty Says:

do you have internet explorer, safari, or google chrome, Daniel? maybe it is trouble with firefox. or it’s your server…..i’ll go check the atp website.


metan Says:

Isner is trying to demolish raonic, what happened to young player now days? Hmmmmm


conty Says:

okay. i can get on fine and make simple changes, Daniel on firefox and safari but when i try to check h2h or some other function, there is a ‘time-out error’ thing. maybe it’s jammed.

i did my cincy bracket right when it opened and it went easy. but i didn’t try to check h2h or anything fancy. i’ll try google chrome. i don’t have internet explorer.


dari Says:

Was anybody watching novak Haas match and see when nole went over to the sideline for a while? Ehat was he doing?

Hi conty! Will do bracket tomorrow :)


dari Says:

2013 will be the year I do the whole circuit. No masters 1000 exemptions for me ;)


dari Says:

Haas did well to take a set amd fight off some bp’s
all novak now


conty Says:

good. me too dari, no distracting Olympics or trips to somewhere w/out wifi during atp 1000’s in 2013. i want on that leaderboard ; )

that is, if the mayan calendar is wrong and the world doesn’t end on 12/21/12 or 12/12/12, whatever it is….

Nole means business, which is good to see imo. he will defend his title (and points) in toronto. serving for match. but credit to old tommy getting a set!


dari Says:

YOU GUYS this novak Haas match is brutal here


dari Says:

I had WiFi on my trips even on my wilderness vacay, so no excuses.

Mp #3 for novak – he got it


Daniel Says:

Conty, current using explorer in my work computer as mac doesn’t run this stream sites. Safari was not working as well. Strange!

Djoko will save my bracket, he has to win for me to get close to 100 points. I still have hopes to win the whole thing:)


Dave Says:

Gaga: “Federer will not win the USO. No woof there to safe him like at Wimbledon.”

– Federer has the best woofless US Open winning percentage (90%) in 40 years of ATP history, ahead of Sampras, Connors and Lendl. Djokovic is fifth at 85% and Nadal eight at 81%.

– Federer has won the most outdoor titles (55) and third best outdoor winning percentage (82%) in 40 years of ATP history. Roger likely has the best outdoor hardcourt winning percentage in ATP history.
http://www.atpworldtour.com/Reliability-Zone/Reliability-Outdoor-Career-List.aspx

– Federer has won the most hardcourt titles (51) and has the best hardcourt winning percentage (82%) in 40 years of ATP history. Roger likely has the best outdoor hardcourt winning percentage in ATP history.

Djokovic — who won the World Tour Finals and has the seventh best career indoor winning percentage among active players — played three good indoor Wimbledon matches before he played Federer. If anything, Djokovic was more prepared than Federer to play indoor tennis at Wimbledon. Murray has the second best career indoor winning percentage among active players (behind Federer) and played the first full indoor match at Wimbledon in 2009 — so he has had three years to think about how to play in such conditions. Federer’s earlier indoor match against Benneteau did not go so well in the first two sets.

Those who presume Federer won Wimbledon because of the roof conveniently ignore that he won the second set against Murray without the roof. It was likely the rain delay was a factor in Federer changing tactics in the final two sets better than Murray did. Even without the rain delay, Federer is known for making adjustments and raising his game anyway.


skeezer Says:

Conty n Kimberly

Entered :). Thanks for reminding us all!


Lisa Says:

Nadal should take the whole season off….

Start fresh next year! Be good for him….


Sienna Says:

Lisa
He is not a machine you can switch tennis on and off.

He vertainly would not be ready for AU Open. No chance at all. One of the reasons the tennis elite are so good because they play non stop at the highest level. With only a few weeks off. So their level of foitness is always at a required level. You can tell when they get off they tend to get rusty and need match practise.

What would happen if a elite player gets 6 months off?

1 month out is aprox 1 month of play to return to level for injured player.
1 month off for a fit player like Nadal is aprox. 2 weeks off play before full fitness level
When DelPotro was injured for 1 year how long did it take before returning to his level he was prior to his injury? Thatwas more then a year.

Ok DePotro is not such experienced player as Nadal, but Nadal is ageing fast for tennis player.
If he takes 6 months holiday then his career is over as elite player. He will not dominate the clay and he will fall out of top 5. When that happens his biggest problem would not be meeting Rosol but heavy hitter and of course Roger prior to semie.

I am affraid that you guys and girls have to find another way off entertaining youreself.


Dave Says:

Cincinnati news on the tournamnet.
http://news.cincinnati.com/article/20120810/SPT/308100120/Olympics-champ-headlines-W-S-Open-field?odyssey=tab|topnews|text|Sports

I doubt Nadal is in trouble for US Open or that his knee has not been close to 100%. Nadal is more likely than not to be a factor at the US Open. Of course it would help if he got a puffball opponents like he did at 2010 US Open. Also, Nadal’s 130 mph is likely to be deployed if he can focus on fewer matches. In 2010, he used it at the US Open and for sure at Tokyo, but by Shanghai his arm/shoulder was gone.

At the October 2005 Madrid indoors, Nadal injured his foot while winning the tournament. He was out of the tour for four months, skipping the 2005 Tennis Masters Cup (he actually showed up in Shanghai, then pulled out after Federer showed up from his injury break) and 2006 Australian Open. His first tournament back was Marseille indoor in mid February 2005, where he won three matches (not bad since his career indoor record is only 64%). He won his next tournament two weeks later, beating Federer in the Dubai hardcourts final. Not bad after being out for four months with a real foot injury.


Dave Says:

Brando: Olympic Soccer/Football final, Brazil vs Mexico in about 5.5 hours from now. Watch Neymar, hopefully he puts on a good show.


Margot Says:

Remember guys ‘n gals, jamie’s psychic pick of Rafa for USOpen….;)


madmax Says:

Gaga Says:
Very peculiar that Roger Federer had not won a slam in more than 2 years and all of the sudden Wimbledon becomes an indoor tournament and he wins it. No roof, no slam for Roger Federer. Like we saw at the Olympics final. He has not won the USO in four years and there will not be a roof for him to win it now that he is aging. We know he is an amazing indoors player, one of the best indoors players ever. So it was no surprise that Roger Federer won Wimbledon the year it was basically an indoors tournament. Had it been an outdoors BO5 tournament, he would have lost to the younger Djokovic or Murray. Only at AO and Wimbledon will he be aided by his best friend the friendly roof.

August 10th, 2012 at 5:36 pm

Lame argument.

Count how many slams he has “roofless” my dear. Seriously. Do your homework before you post crap.

Dave, great research argument as usual.

I guess jealousy reigns where Fed is concerned. He is the best after all.


Thomas Says:

“Remember guys ‘n gals, jamie’s psychic pick of Rafa for USOpen….;)”

yes,well he also said nadal would win win the olympics.(he was telling me earlier that nadal was going through a good astrological period from olympics to US Open, and said he would win both) We know what happened next. In one of his last posts(b4 getting kicked off this forum) he said that it was impossible to be certain who would win the slam until the top players played their first match. So….


metan Says:

Margot and Thomas,
Thank you for reminding us rafa fans including me , hehehe
I ALWAYS REMEMBER THAT


Mark Says:

IMG_0045.JPG. metan. I hope this prints out. Pic with Rafa and the King Of Spain having dinner yesterday.


Mark Says:

^ sorry didn’t print.


Mark Says:

PhenomeNadal shared a link.
5 hours ago

Rafael Nadal had a dinner with The King of Spain Juan Carlos 10/08/12
http://www.youtube.com
1Like · Comment · Share
Hajar Hayani Dhibi, Sara Kournikova and 12 others like this.
metan. Try this.


Nadal Says:

@DAVE

LOL.

Nice Theory Dave.

Just for the records, I am off because my knees are hurting.

And I will try to be back in US Open and will try my best to win the first round match.


Gaga Says:

Murray has to be careful and be fit for the USO. Either Murray or Del Potro winning the USO would be fantastic and healthy for tennis. The more different winners the better.


Stella Says:

I believe Roger has won a few slams without a roof as have other players so just because someone like a McEnroe brings up the subject ( repeatedly!!!) suddenly it’s the only way Roger can win….silly really!!!
It’s like saying Nadal can only win on clay!!!!

Sorry to see so many players injured going into TO and Cincy but that’s the way things go.
Is Delpo in or out of Cincy?


metan Says:

Mark, thanks a lot Rafa is so HANDSOME , CUTE, RELAX,,,,,

XISCA was there too, PERFECT COUPLE!


Brando Says:

@Dave:

Thanks for the reminder- completely forgot about it.

Just tuned in, and it is 2-0 to mexico!

who would have predicted that?

15 minutes left, plus extra time.


Mark Says:

metan. Spain just won Gold in sailing. That will make Rafa very very happy!!!


metan Says:

@ nadal,

You’d better take good care of your knees, don’t injured all the time, every body can’t wait to see you running on the court.

Just make sure you are in uso, some one will get nervous !


metan Says:

Mark, rafa is thrilled for the sailing team, vamos espana!


Brando Says:

@Dave:

Mexico win- deservedly so!

Great drama at the end though. Hulk scores in the 91st minute to make it 2-1, and then in the 93rd minute oscar (chelsea’s new signing) heads over from close range.

It was a really bad miss, as he should have scored from there!

From what i saw, this brazil plays like a collection of superstar individuals as opposed to a team!


Margot Says:

Brando, Brazil indeedy played like that. Mexico well and truly deserved win and second goal was such a brilliant chancer :)


Mark Says:

^dont know what happened. Pic didn’t print.


Brando Says:

@Margot:

Glad to see that your into the beautiful game- good stuff!

Unfortunately, i missed most of it (75 mins), but i am glad that the underdog, mexico, won though!

Unless i am mistaken, this may even be the 1st gold that they won for their country- so they’ll be received as heroes when they return home.

Brazil, on the other hand, may want to re route the return flight, since i get the feeling that their countrymen/ women will not be too pleased with how they performed in the final!

FAR from pleased- lol!


Dave Says:

Nadal: “Nice Theory Dave…I am off because my knees are hurting.”

Now that’s funny because you admitted you have already been practising, lol. And obviously your knees are not hurting that much to stop you from getting a free dinner yesterday from Spain’s King Juan Carlos in a restaurant in Puerto Portals, Palma de Mallorca, Balearic Islands (see link). What’s the matter, food in Cincy not good enough for you? On second thoughts, don’t answer :)
http://bta.bg/en/gallery/showImage/?image=282791

*****

madmax: “I guess jealousy reigns where Fed is concerned. He is the best after all.”

Thanks — and excellent point.

*****

Brando, Margot: Brazil fired a dud, even Neymar (Santos) and Marcelo (Real Madrid). Everything went south after Manchester United’s Rafael (Brazil) stupidly gave away the ball that led to Mexico scoring an excellent goal in the first 30 seconds of kick off! The second goal was a brain cramp on Brazil’s part. Mexico did very well, played more as a team and could have scored two more goals. Too bad for Brazil, who actually played spectacular soccer in a couple of earlier matches.


Dave Says:

And Rafa’s girlfriend Xisca was there as well, picking up the tab. http://bta.bg/en/gallery/showImage/?image=282787


Sienna Says:

Rafa is getting a bit full in the cheecks…


Gaga Says:

Looks like Nadal is having wisdom teeth issues, seeing his cheeks.


Daniel Says:

Brazil can’t get a gold in Olympics, only thing missing in our resume.

People are mad today, but women volley save it a bit.


metan Says:

Daniel, don’t worry next olympic your country will have the gold medals.


alison Says:

Dave nice pictures thanks,such a lovely looking couple,Rafas handsome,and Xiscas very beautiful.


Colin Says:

Murray hails from England?
Rain is not unknown in Scotland!


Daniel Says:

Jesus, Brazil lost in mans volley in a bizarre match. All credits to Russia. Djoko better win today to save my bracket. Not in a good mood right now…


Gaga Says:

After today, the top 3 will all have one slam and two masters series this year. Would be fantastic if Murray would emulate that by winning Cincinnati, USO and Shanghai.


Dave Says:

alison: You’re welcome. And they do look beautiful having dinner on Rafa’s home island.


alison Says:

Dave i dont know where in the world you live,but just to let you and all the Fed fans out there Madmax,Skeezer etc etc,theres a programme tonight at 11.30pm on sky sports 3 called sporting greats about Roger Federer.


WTF Says:

El Flaco Says:

“If Nadal gets a draw like he did in 2010 then he will go deep, but I doubt lightning will strike twice in the same place for him.”

His draw was no easier in 2011. Harder I would say. But he still made the final, against the same opponent.

If anything, you mean you doubt lightning will strike THREE times in the same place for him.


alison Says:

Anyone out there watching the olympic closing ceremony?


skeezer Says:

USA GOLD over spain, YEA!! Nobody beats US in B Ball.


courbon Says:

@alison
Sitting with friends in Portobello road and watching it and then Nole at midnight


skeezer Says:

alison,

Won’t watch t til later. DVR ‘d everything, too much going on all the time with Olympics on the Tele:(


WTF Says:

“Djokovic is playing sub par so far this year relative to last year – he even lost the Bronze match to a tired Del Potro.”

He wasn’t that tired. Neither was Fed. That was a long 3 set match for sure, but about the same length as a typical five set match, which they are used to playing at GS level. Both players got a day of rest after the marathon match, so it’s no different to playing a five setter at a GS. Both players are used to that.

“The last time we saw Nadal, he’d been blasted off the court by a guy ranked in the triple digits with no fast-court pedigree to speak of.”

That was a five set match, if that counts as being blasted off the court. Second, he wasn’t at his best physically. If there’s a rematch, would you bet on the triple digit guy winning or “blasting Nadal off the court” a second time?

“EVEN after a record breaking marathon semi against Del Potro, commentators went against their better judgement, caught up in the excitement and claimed it was going to be a win for Federer.”

They were not going against better judgment. There is nothing wrong with their judgment. Murray is a bottler in big matches, especially against Federer. And Federer was the in form man. The only semi-question mark, which to me was not a question mark at all, was whether Fed could bounce back from a long three set match against DelPo. As I said above, it was long but no longer than a five set match, and he had a day of rest in between. Physically he should be fine. I have never seen Federer get tired during a match, no matter how long it is. I’ve seen Nadal tire, and Djokovic too, but not Fed. Fed’s fitness is underrated.

“Federer will not win the USO. No roof there to safe him like at Wimbledon.”

I’m not sure how a roof is meant to save him? It’s usually the lack of a roof that saves a player.


alison Says:

Skeezer yeah i know too much,going on all at once,BTW the USA had an amazing olympics,and im so proud of our Brit guys and gals, enjoy it when you do see it,also dont know if you will get it where you are but theres a programme called sporting greats with Federer at 11.30 tonight sky sports 3 tonight.


alison Says:

Courbon must be really busy around that neck of the woods lol,unfortunatly i wont see the Nole match as i have to get up early for work,but i hpoe you enjoy the match,and also hope he wins,although i cant see Gasquet giving him much of a problem anyway to be honest,still you never know i suppose


courbon Says:

@Alison
ye, quite busy around here (Blur are also playing in Hyde Park)I’m also working early but I work for myself so guess I can be tired tomorrow.Never know with Nole this days (like before 2011),can suprising.Anyway,I support him through good and bad periods


Ben Pronin Says:

Not that Nadal has suddenly become my favorite player, but thanks to Sienna I am rooting so hard for Nadal to storm back and make everyone feel like a complete moron for even thinking of writing him off. Seriously, vamos Rafa.


alison Says:

Courbon love Blur Damons a dish,always loved Oasis too,shame both band have called it a day to a certain extent,lucky you work for yourself,better get some matchsticks to prop your eyelids open,just in case lol,as for Nole it was always gonna be a tough ask,to expect him to do what he did last year,but hes still having a solid year,win or lose we support our favs,wouldnt amount to much as fans if we didnt.


alison Says:

Ben LMAO if you are right there will be a fair few people left with egg on their faces,imagine the haters reactions lol.


Daniel Says:

Blur concert in te same Hyde Park in 2009 when they retun was awesome. Fed won that year as well:)


Sienna Says:

Seriously Benny P. I have been right on Nadal for quit some years now!

I follow FEDAL for quit a bit of years and I think I know what makes them tick. Nadal has lost not 1 but 2 steps in their rivalry.

He is supposed to be the younger and fitter player yet his mental toughness has been put to the test and he is losing it against Fed in the mental department.

For years I say that is where Fed has made the real differences between him and the rest. But always people where pointing towards Nadas mental toughness. But it is safe to say that Fed has shown that he outguns nadal in that department aswell.

The sheer relentless path to glory after US Open 2011 has put a nail in Nadals coffin. He was focussing on Djoker and up comes Fed with not 1 but several new tricks on his sleeve. He thinks how many times do I need to defeat this guy in Garros? and still he puts me back in place to deny my glory in all time great


Sienna Says:

skeezer Says:
USA GOLD over spain, YEA!! Nobody beats US in B Ball.

August 12th, 2012 at 4:02 pm

I always enjoy to see Spain losing!

They have cheated there way in tomany world championship

Blood doping has been approved and sponsored for many many a year in Spain. People with the cover up from govermenting bodys. It is just terrible what has happenend there for the last 10 15 years.

I think they are shutting it down the last year or 2 because to many questions where raised and investigated. But they certainly have had their way with the blood value and raised the cheating to new hights. Taking firmly over from China, USA and East European Countrys.

SO it is maybe the 3th 4th biggest doping mailpractises in history after those giant purps.


courbon Says:

@alison.Absolutelly right.Have a nice sleep ans speak to you soon.
@Daniel.They are great.And yes,Federer maybe do it again.


Ben Pronin Says:

Sienna, what you are saying is complete nonsense. For years? And yet Nadal is coming off one freak upset after reaching 5 straight major finals, winning 2. If I were him, I’d quit, too…

The best players on Spain’s team are Marc and Pau Gasol and Serge Ibaka, all NBA players. If they’re blood doping then surely the rest of the best players in the NBA must be, too (aka Team USA).

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