Whodunit: Roger Federer Gets Buried In Sand [Photo]

…I shall remain silence at this sensitive issue.

November 25th, 2012 at 7:45 pm

Good to see Roger enjoying the off-season. He is so serious and all business on the tennis court, sometimes it is hard to imagine him off of it.

The GOAT works hard and plays hard.

Great example for other tennis players. And for us fans. We can work as hard as we can, but don’t forget to have fun.

November 25th, 2012 at 7:56 pm

I plead the fifth!

November 25th, 2012 at 11:43 pm

Love the picture,nice to see him having fun in the off season,the twins probably did it,i used to do it to my dad all the time,when i was little when we went on holiday to the beach,when we were kids.

November 26th, 2012 at 5:30 am

I reckon @ Dave saved him!!

November 26th, 2012 at 11:27 am

@giles: LMFAO! Hope Dave has boarded the correct flight to the right destination, otherwise roger is screwed!

November 26th, 2012 at 12:33 pm

^^ Lol Lol

November 26th, 2012 at 1:17 pm

http://www.atpworldtour.com/News/Tennis/2008/07/nadalasteroid.aspx. @Brando. Just came across this link. Were you aware of this? I certainly wasn’t until today.

November 26th, 2012 at 1:27 pm

It’s only about 5 years old. I am glad you appreciate the honors bestowed on your Humble Highness.

November 26th, 2012 at 2:30 pm

Giles, Brando: If you guys want to be stalkers of celebrities vacationing in exotic destinations, you need to start with the basics. Both of you must first apply for passports, save money to buy your first flight ticket, check the world map so you know where is your destination, and make sure you pronounce your destination correctly when you book your ticket.

Now practice pronouncing: Baa Atoll in Maldives

November 26th, 2012 at 6:03 pm

^LOL people ^.

November 26th, 2012 at 6:08 pm

@dave: LMAO, good one!:-) relax, not picking on you or anything- just some off season banter between fans!

November 26th, 2012 at 6:45 pm

Somewhere someone is looking for Humble to payback for his antics. But Humble is busy practicing as always.

November 26th, 2012 at 9:15 pm

@ Dave. Lighten up. It is not all about tennis balls and racquets and Fed’s amazing records!! #SomeFunPerhaps

November 27th, 2012 at 4:00 am

If Sienna is looking at this picture im sure she will be hyperventilating?OMG please someone for gods sake help rescue the TMF.

November 27th, 2012 at 6:51 am

Sienna if your reading please dont take it personally its only a joke.

November 27th, 2012 at 6:52 am

Betcha the twins were somehow involved in this caper ;)

November 27th, 2012 at 7:43 am

Giles: @ Giles. Lighten up. It is not all about tennis balls and racquets and Rafa’s amazing records and Giles’ attempts at jokes!! #SomeFunPerhaps.

You obviously don’t follow your own advice :)

November 27th, 2012 at 11:33 am

@Dave. BTW have you managed to rescue Fed yet? Let’s hope it’s not quicksand!! #HeMightMissExos

November 27th, 2012 at 12:30 pm

For Roger fans..

http://blog.oregonlive.com/tennis/2012/11/as_the_roger_federer_era_nears.html

Can’t believe how good Rafa was in 2003 and how many years he has been on tour and still only 26 with all he has achieved.

Sometimes I wonder how Rafa career would have fared if he had Roger’s knees?

November 27th, 2012 at 11:01 pm

Nims: “Sometimes I wonder how Rafa career would have fared if he had Roger’s knees?”

Roger would not have Roger’s knees if he played like Rafa plays (with his medically unsound strokes and movements). Probably every normal player (who is not a genetic freak of nature) would have Rafa’s knees if he played like Rafa.

What everybody seeems to miss is that after all the bruhaha and haha about Nadal’s knees for so many years… Nadal has still played 11 years on tour and played 705 singles matches and 156 doubles matches. In total singles matches played, Nadal is No. 6 on the active list, just 80 matches behind No. 2 Lleyton Hewitt.

I don’t think the veterans such as Federer, Agassi, etc. expected Nadal to survive this long given the way he plays. But Nadal has done so because I believe he takes planned breaks to rest and recover his body using exaggerated injuries as excuses to take these breaks. Unlike other players with serious injuries, Nadal has not even had an operation. In other words, Nadal has ‘fooled’ many people and writers into believing his knees and body are breaking down when they obviously are still working very well.

As for Douglas Perry’s article, his flaw is mixing up Federer’s generation with Federer’s era. Federer’s era will remain for a few more years until he retires. But Federer’s generation is dwindling fast, and those who remain are: Federer, David Ferrer, Lleyton Hewitt, Mardy Fish, David Nalbandian, Tommy Haas, Nikolay Davydenko, Mikhail Youzhny, Fernando Verdasco, Jurgen Melzer, Michael Llodra, Xavier Malisse, Julien Benneteau, Feliciano Lopez, Mayer, Stepanek, etc. I sense genuine sadness in Roger everytime one of generational buddies retires. I don’t think it’s coincidence that, since 2008, Roger tends to let players from his generation get into tighter matches with him than should be possible.

November 28th, 2012 at 12:34 pm

Nice one alison.

Rafa was in the netherlands yesterday to help out The Kraai with his foundation. They openend an tenniscourt for children. Rafa was taking notes to get his act together with his own foundation. he has to find new ways to give meaning to his life.

November 29th, 2012 at 5:15 pm

Celebrating the fed everyone:

Roger Federer new testimonial for the champagne Moet & Chardon

The new partnership between Roger Federer and the French company will be laid bare the 30th of November

From the 30th of November the most famous champagne in the world, Moet&Chardon, will have as testimonial Roger Federer. Since 1743 it is sold all over the world. These are the words that the French company uses to describe the Swiss: he realizes his successes with elegance and style, he impersonates the sense of audacity and generosity.

Federer hasn’t officialised yet the news on his Facebook profile writing only: “ Here a shoot of my friend Patrick Demarchelier for which international mark will it be?”

Well, read this morning that Fed intends on playing at a high level AT LEAST for the next 2 years. That means that since his “impending retirement” in 2008, he will potentially have played another 7 years. What a waste of time talking about his retirement 7 years in the future!

Then again, he could decide to extend this.

Shocker that someone should love what they do and want to continue also bringing pleasure to others.

November 30th, 2012 at 2:21 am

Sienna i have no idea what Rafa does with his spare time,im only interested in what these players do on a tennis court,after that my interest is nil and void,as i have a life of my own,their lives dont affect mine and vice versa,however if what he does is of interest to you then fine thats entirely up to you,i never have cared for celebrities and the whole charity fame thing,be it Rafa/Roger or any other famous person,its something that grates on me,if they chose to do it fine just dont make a song and dance about it,having said that im sure Rafa will be fine he has enough money to set himself up for the rest of his life,with whatever he decides to do after tennis,rumour has it he wants to be a golfer hmm who knew eh?

November 30th, 2012 at 6:10 am

Madmax great post here/here let the players play,let them decide that for themselves.

November 30th, 2012 at 6:12 am

Sienna nice to know though,that Rafas thinking for the kids and the future of the game,good for him.

November 30th, 2012 at 6:17 am

alison,

love your posts. So honest and direct.

I meant to post the link about the playing at a high level for at least the next 2 years, here it is. The interpretation isn’t that great, but at least it gives you an idea of what he is saying.

‘Roger Federer through the frequency of the Colombian radio Caracol revealed his short time ambitions confirming the intention to continue for at least two more years.

“I’m not thinking to quit soon at all, on the opposite, I want to continue to be competitive and win at least for the next two years”, showing his self proud also to be the second person in the world to inspire trust after Nelson Mandela, “ I was nicely surprised and I retain it pretty important also because my mother is South African”.

The Swiss has come back on the doping issue and on the necessity of more controls “ to have the possibility to have a tennis cleaner as possible”.

http://www.tennisworldusa.org/Roger-Federer-I-dont-want-to-stop-at-least-two-more-years-at-high-levels-articolo7178.html

November 30th, 2012 at 10:36 am

sienna,

see the good in the fact that rafa is actually doing something positive with his money. It’s not all about golf! By the same token, most of the top athletes I think are good at giving back to the global community. Novak included as well as Murray. They have their own foundations going on and i think that’s great.

The link was broken on this article, so have posted it here.

Roger Federer Foundation aiming for maximum impact with minimum spin

The Swiss star’s support for child education projects in southern Africa and beyond lights the way for the wider tennis fraternity

Roger Federer in Ethiopia, where his foundation has supported an education NGO since 2007.

Last year, in a study by the US-based Reputation Institute (pdf), Roger Federer was named second on a list of the world’s most respected people. Behind him were Bill Gates (third) and Ban Ki-moon (11th), ahead of him only Nelson Mandela. It’s fair to say the Swiss tennis star has a reputation to maintain.

With that in mind, there’s a lot riding on the Roger Federer Foundation (RFF). The organisation, which partners local NGOs to support education projects for children living in poverty, was founded in 2003 – the year of Federer’s first Wimbledon victory – because his parents felt it was important to give back.

Many find it unthinkable that a high-profile sportsman like Federer would pursue such a project for reasons other than PR, or to maximise sponsorship returns. Yet, as the world’s sixth most marketable athlete – and fifth highest paid – the Swiss seems beyond such concerns. If anything, says the foundation’s CEO, Janine Händel, Federer’s altruism potentially jeopardises the very thing that puts him in a position to make a difference in the first place –his standing.

“If you do charity and you’re a prominent person, it’s very important you do it right,” she argues. “It’s a reputational risk you are taking.”

Händel is in London for a panel debate about whether tennis and its richly remunerated practitioners do enough to help society. While her fellow participants – former tennis players Pat Cash, Justin Gimelstob and Ion Tiriac – chew the fundraising cud, she insists what the world needs is not more money but better invested money.

“Philanthropy is not just about money, it’s about quality, how you invest in social issues, the impact you have in the field,” she says. “My ambition is not to take $1 and have $1 impact. If I worked like that, I would do a bad job. My ambition is to take $1, invest it in the field, and have a $10 impact.”

For 54,000 children in Malawi who will benefit from an early education initiative run by the RFF, that is good news. The project, which began in 2010 in partnership with Credit Suisse and is being implemented in conjunction with ActionAid Malawi, will run for a decade. Its aim is to harness the potential of 80 community-based childcare centres in six districts of Malawi, where almost a quarter of a million children aged six to 11 fail to enrol in school (and only about 40% of those who do complete their primary education).

Nationwide, 8,000 such centres were built in the 1990s. But education was not among the government’s key development priorities (pdf) for much of the following decade, and now less than 20% are functional. In keeping with the RFF’s philosophy of helping communities to become self-sufficient, support is provided to locals, who carry out improvements themselves. In addition, about 800 volunteers are being trained as early childhood educators, with the emphasis on quality of learning.

One of the problems in Malawi is the quality of schooling is not developing at the same speed as access, says Händel. “There’s a huge gap. That’s why we focus on the quality of education.” In practice, this means combining traditional academic skills with learning about social, environmental and healthcare issues.

Many people are sniffy about high-profile figures entering the humanitarian arena, but Händel is not among them. “If the money comes from sports, or from an actress, I couldn’t care less,” she says. “You just have to understand your role. Roger decides whether to invest in health, education or something else … but what exactly you do in education is a technical, professional decision that I can advise him on.”

Händel points out that Federer understands the realities facing poor countries. “Poverty for him is something he faced as a child, because he spent his holidays with his mother’s family in South Africa,” she says.

Personal experience tends to shape the philanthropic activities of tennis players – think Nevada-born Andre Agassi’s education foundation in Las Vegas, or the Guga Kuerten Institute, which works with disadvantaged children in the former world No 1’s native Brazil – but a packed year-round schedule leaves few opportunities to visit developing countries.

It doesn’t help that so few tournaments are staged in poor countries. Change, though, is problematic. “It comes down to what’s viable commercially, what fits in the calendar, and what the appetite for tennis is in a given region,” says Gimelstob, a player representative on the ATP World Tour directors’ board, who described a summer visit to the Arthur Ashe Tennis Centre in Soweto as “heartbreaking and inspiring”. “How do you tie the facility in Soweto to the opulence of the US Open? How do you manage those opposite forces?”

In the absence of easy answers, the ATP is focusing on supporting the efforts of individual players, which only adds to the importance of organisations like the RFF. In addition to the flagship Malawi project, the foundation works in Zambia, Zimbabwe, South Africa, Ethiopia, Tanzania and Switzerland. The plan is for Federer to become more hands-on following retirement.

“The foundation has a long-term vision and there will be a time when Roger will become much more involved,” says Händel.

November 30th, 2012 at 10:41 am

Sean Ben or Staff,

Can you please write some kind of thread about drugs in sport. There is so much out there about this right now, with the men’s tour commenting on it – I know it’s controversial particularly with Lance Armstrong’s situation :(. I think if it is properly moderated, then we could get some really healthy views. Fed and Murray have given interviews on this and for some reason, I can’t post the link as the links are broken on my laptop. So this is pretty long and huge, but I think it could really generate some top discussion. I had no idea that Mcenroe had taken drugs! (unknowingly though!)

My views are that from what I have read, ALL athletes know beforehand what NOT to take, even with traces, as they are forewarned. If this is the case, then surely, “unknowingly” is a lame excuse?

‘After the revelation of Lance Armstrong’s systematic doping offered yet another example of widespread performance-enhancing-drug use in professional cycling, another popular international endurance sport is under heavy scrutiny: Tennis.

Roger Federer, the all-time leader in Grand Slam titles, is among the world’s top players calling for improved screening methods.

“We don’t do a lot of blood testing during the year,” Federer said at the final event of the men’s pro season. “I’m OK with having more of that. I just think it’s important to have enough tests out there. I think it’s key and vital that the sport stays clean. We have a good history in terms of that and we want to make sure that it stays that way.”

Andy Murray, the 2012 U.S. Open champion, agreed, saying, “We do a fair amount of drug testing, but we could do more. A lot of it has been urine, not so many blood tests. I think tennis is a clean sport, but the more we can do to prove that all the time is good.”

What makes these comments all the more interesting is that top stars from the previous generation, including Jim Courier, Andre Agassi and Todd Martin, are also pushing for more aggressive testing for PEDs.

“I love to hear that some of the world’s best are calling for more,” said Martin, a two-time Grand Slam finalist, a recent masters event in San Jose. “I think that at this point in time, it’s the only way to begin to cut that gap down between the science of cheaters and the science of testing, and even then, I don’t know how much it’s going to be able to be caught up with.”

That’s why many are concerned that the International Tennis Federation’s anti-doping program has come in under budget for three consecutive years, according to documents released by the sport’s world governing body. The amount of tests it is conducting is actually going down, which led Federer to make his early-November comments. He said the number of times he has been tested in the past six to eight years has decreased, when he believes the opposite should be happening.

“I know I got tested one year eight times blood, 20 times urine, three out-of-competition, unannounced at my front door” said Agassi, who was ranked No. 1 as late as September 2003 and retired after the 2006 season. “So I thought that was pretty aggressive, but I would have been fine with it had it been more. But I think less is a problem.”

According to the ATP, tennis became the first professional sport to institute a practical drug-testing program, in 1985. Out-of-competition testing — versus solely unannounced screening at certain tournaments — was considered as early as 1992, but not fully implemented until 2005 and not mandatory until 2009. Today, players must provide their daily whereabouts to the organization to allow for testing without notice, but the decrease in frequency is an issue.

Agassi, an eight-time Grand Slam winner, admitted in his 2009 autobiography “Open” to being caught for using crystal meth in 1997 through a urine test. He explained in the book that he wrote a letter to the ATP falsely denying the positive test. He was spared the public damage this revelation would have had on his career, as well as a three-month suspension for recreational drug use.

While Agassi hadn’t taken a PED, John McEnroe, who won seven Grand Slam singles titles, acknowledged in 2004 that for six years during his career he unknowingly ingested steroids.

“People have to become more aware of what they putting into their bodies,” McEnroe told a British newspaper at the time. “In general people are administered drugs too readily.”

Now, the restrictions are accepted as being tighter.

“It’s a short leash, and it’s year-round sport,” said Agassi of the current standards. “I think it’s great to have that kind of oversight, because it assures fans that if there [is] anybody that cheats, the sport itself will expose that, because you can’t get away with that under these strict rules forever. Maybe you can get lucky once or twice, I suppose, but the governance is what I look at, and I think our sport has been on the front line and set the bar for accountability. Whatever the players can do to assure the fans that what they’re doing is a function of their talent and hard work, absolutely.”

But is it enough?

Victor Conte founder of the defunct Bay Area Laboratory Co-operative (BALCO), tweeted earlier this month that PED use in tennis is “likely rampant because testing is inept.” (Conte served four months in prison after the federal investigation that linked high-profile athletes such as Bill Romanowski, Marion Jones and Barry Bonds to banned substances.)

Courier, a four-time Grand Slam champion, spoke out about his perception of increased PED use in the sport shortly before retiring in 2000, and he hasn’t changed his mind.

“What I was vocal about at the end of my career,” said Courier in San Jose, “was that there were certain things that they just didn’t have the capacity to test for. They weren’t testing for certain things that were the most important areas that people could get ahead, and I don’t know if they’re testing for those things now.”

The drugs Courier alluded to then were erythropoietin, or EPO, and growth hormones, commonly referred to as HGH. EPO use increases the red blood cell count, providing more oxygen to the body, which increases an athlete’s endurance. Growth hormones stimulate the regeneration of cells, and are generally associated with recovering from injuries faster. Since the early 2000s, both have been detectable through testing. EPO can found in blood and urine. But the subtleties of naturally occurring HGH versus the artificial kind can only be deciphered through blood tests.

In 1998, shortly before Courier called attention to what he believed was this growing problem in tennis, Czech player Petr Korda was popped for using an anabolic steroid. He a failed test after losing in the quarters at Wimbledon. Korda had won the Australian Open just months earlier, but was not stripped of the title. Nor was he subsequently punished with, at that time, the minimum one-year suspension after stating he never knowingly used the performance enhancer. Korda only had to surrender his winnings and ATP points from Wimbledon.

In a similar case, British player Greg Rusedski was suspected of doping after a test in July 2003 came back showing the same steroid Korda had used, nandrolone. Rusedski peaked in the world rankings at No. 4 after losing in the 1997 U.S. Open finals. By the time his tests were called into question in 2003, Rusedski had fallen to No. 70.

Just before Rusedski’s flunked test, seven other players — of which only Czech Bohdan Ulihrach was ever named — were alleged to have used the same steroid. Each was pardoned after the ATP chose not to contest the group’s claim that a tainted supplement distributed by sanctioned tournament trainers was responsible for the positive tests, despite later analysis showing otherwise. Summoning the same defense as these other players, Rusedski appealed and was cleared to resume his career. He climbed back into the top 40 in 2005, before retiring in April 2007 at age 33.

Such rules and occurrences are not reserved just for the men, but to the women also, who play under the umbrella of the WTA. In December 1997, American teenager Samantha Reeves was found guilty of having nandrolone in her system, but was let off the hook because, per the ITF Appeals Committee’s statement, she was “naïve and immature at the time of the offense.”

Regulations on PEDs have been in place for years. There’s a two-year ban for the first positive test and a possible career-ending suspension for a second. But these examples show they are stripped of their teeth if there is ultimately no real enforcement.

“The sport is no different than insider trading or Ponzi schemes,” Martin said. “There are people out there who don’t have the ethics that are necessary for there to be a level playing field, and as long as there are, we’re going to have those who are trying to get a leg up.”

Martin also said the way the tests are evaluated should be modified to gauge differences in an individual’s results.

“Guys need to be tested against themselves, as opposed to being tested against the standards,” he said. “I think we all have standards within a certain range, but if we can identify really well what everybody’s benchmarks are, then I think it’s easier to [notice] minor changes.”

Courier concedes that even if better testing and enforcement created stronger deterrents, it wouldn’t eliminate the temptation.

“Let’s face it, if you’re 100 in the world and you think that something illegal will get you to 10 in the world, that’s a tremendous difference in the quality of the rest of your life from a financial standpoint,” said Courier, the U.S. Davis Cup team captain since October 2010. ” … You’re never going to wipe out the human nature, the human desire to get ahead by bending corners. Everywhere you look, where there are gains to be made, people do it.”

November 30th, 2012 at 11:05 am

Ah Madmax thankyou and may i say you too.

November 30th, 2012 at 11:37 am

Well, madmax, what else is there to say? Check tennishasasteroidproblem.com. That site has information on every sport from tennis to cycling to football, etc. The system is terrible. It’s not just the how often the players are/aren’t tested. There is virtually no transparency with the ITF. It’s ridiculous.

November 30th, 2012 at 11:49 am

Roger Federer Foundation aiming for maximum impact with minimum spin: The Swiss star’s support for child education projects in southern Africa and beyond lights the way for the wider tennis fraternity
http://www.guardian.co.uk/global-development/2012/nov/30/roger-federer-foundation-maximum-impact

November 30th, 2012 at 12:11 pm

Is Tennis As Clean As You Think Regarding PEDs? Current, Past Stars Advocate More Testing (‘Kevin Fixler’ really is a free-lance sports journalist for SI, The Atlantic, etc.)
http://www.thepostgame.com/features/201211/tennis-ped-testing-federer-murray-courier-martin-agassi

Setting the example is ITF president Ricci Bitti, who hit back at Roger Federer and Andy Murray for criticizing the ITF’s anti-doping program. “You know the players, they like to talk. A few years ago, the same players were complaining because they were being tested… I don’t think they are right. But it’s a bit strange. They change their minds a lot… I am confident that tennis is a clean sport.” Federer has never whined about drug testing while a top player.

November 30th, 2012 at 12:21 pm

Did I say someting negative about Rafa or his foundation or him helping out Krajicek and his foundation?

I did not think so. Please chillllll

November 30th, 2012 at 1:38 pm

Ben, I know. I hear you. But, there is so much talk out there right now and I think it is a missed opportunity. I mean, seriously. All these rumours about current players taking drugs, apparently there are 7 high profile tennis players and yet WHO are they? Someone must know and why isn’t anything being done about it? Who is it that is being protected and why?

Think about it Ben. Write something so that we can really get our teeth into it!

There are so many threads on “boring” “bland” stuff in this hiatus before the start of the new year, this would really get things going!

Dave, thanks for the links. I posted these already (the information), but said the links had broken – thanks for your help though.

November 30th, 2012 at 3:37 pm

Ben, thanks for the link. I am going to check it out now.

November 30th, 2012 at 3:38 pm

Ben, am going to read the article in more depth later as it is pretty long but this is very defamatory so far, don’t you think? and what are your views on this?

“…in this steroid era we have lived in for the last decade or so, it has become wise for us in the media, to at least be wary of a player such as Nadal, who is so cut, so ripped, so buff for a tennis player, because we’ve never seen a good tennis player with that kind of physique.”

Sports commentator Skip Bayless briefly breaks the taboo and suggests the obvious possibility that Nadal was juiced for his first championship at Wimbledon in 2008.

And by the way, this is in the article and I haven’t read this before but I really would like to have a proper discussion about drugs in sport, it’s so controversial, interesting and I think, could generate some great discussion here – unless something has been written about this already? If so, I haven’t seen it yet.

Come on Ben!

November 30th, 2012 at 3:45 pm

Moet & Chandon will pay over $30-million to Federer in a five year deal, according to Darren Rovell (ESPN Sports Business Reporter & Business Correspondent, ABC News). But this is why Federer’s latest sponsorship is even more significant than $30 million: Moet and Chandon is co-owner of LVMH (Moet Hennessy Louis Vuitton), the French multinational luxury goods conglomerate which has over $30 Billion annual revenue, 83,000 staff and 2,400 stores worldwide. LVMH has over 60 subsidiary companies and many prestigious brands, including the following (I’m sure the ladies here will recognize most of the non-alcohol brands):
– Alcohol: Moët et Chandon (including Dom Perignon champagne), Hennessy, Krug, Glenmorangie, Ardbeg, etc.
– Fashion and Leather Goods: Louis Vuitton, Donna Karan, Givenchy, Fendi, Marc Jacobs, etc.
– Perfumes and Cosmetics: Christian Dior, Acqua di Parma, Guerlain, Loewe, etc.
– Watches and Jewelry: Bulgari, TAG Heuer, Zenith, Hublot, Chaumet, etc.
– Other retailing: Sephora, DFS Galleria (Duty Free Shops), France’s Le Bon Marche, etc.

December 1st, 2012 at 5:22 pm

Good for Fed acquiring another sponsor.

December 1st, 2012 at 8:41 pm

Sienna @ November 30th 1.38pm,no you didnt say anything negative about Rafas foundation,i never said you did,you took my post the wrong way,the point i was making was that i dont really care for the whole celebrities and charities thing,but if thats what they want to do fair enough,i just dont see the need to make a song and dance about it but thats just me,and as i also said,i dont spend every waking minute of my life on celebrities websites be it Rafa or any other famous person,im too busy with real life,what i find out is mostly through this forum,i think your the one who needs to chill.

December 2nd, 2012 at 3:45 pm

Madmax, ignore that old stuff. Ever since the new guy took over the site has become much more credible.

December 3rd, 2012 at 8:35 am