Milos Raonic Withdraws From ATP Finals, Former Runner-Up David Ferrer Takes His Spot

Does he inherit Milos’ status, or is he starting at 0-0?

Did anyone see the match and notice an injury? Its a huge shame for Milos, I think getting here meant a ton to the young newcomers.

November 13th, 2014 at 9:53 am

Now here’s where I have a problem with this event. So Ferrer just took the first set over Nishikori. What exactly does this mean? If Nishikori loses in straights, or at all, does that mean Murray and Federer definitely move on? I’m so confused, but it’s hella dumb.

November 13th, 2014 at 10:10 am

Ben, yes. Ferrer inherits Milos’ results, I believe, and so if he wins this match, then Federer and Murray will advance regardless of the result of their match.

November 13th, 2014 at 10:23 am

If Ferrer wins in straights, and Murray loses in straights, couldn’t Ferrer conceivably advance by game differential?

November 13th, 2014 at 10:38 am

^ not so. Unfortunately, even if Ferrer wins in 2 sets Andy has to win – period – otherwise he’s out. I’ve seen the new permutations. It’s confusing because yesterday when Milos was still in, there were more scenarios for Andy to get through. I don’t know why they changed with the substitution. Round Robins make my brain hurt.

November 13th, 2014 at 10:40 am

Exactly ^^. Ferrer inherits Milos’ bad results. What I am unsure about is how Ferrer winning impacts Murray advancing …without going back right now to study the round robin scoring permutations… if this match goes 3 sets.

I still like that instead of having a match cancelled, there is an alternate waiting in the wings to provide a match. And Ferrer is not disappointing at the moment.

November 13th, 2014 at 10:40 am

oops, my reply was to the mind_reels.

November 13th, 2014 at 10:41 am

Ferrer cannot advance to the semi-finals. His reward is getting to play in this WTF at all. (plus, a load of money)

November 13th, 2014 at 10:52 am

Ferrer doesn’t inherit Raonic’s results. If Raonic was 2-0, then dropped out, Ferrer would not be making the semis with a 3-0* record. I don’t think so, anyway. That would actually make less sense than the alternative.

Regardless, as long as Nishikori holds his break advantage we won’t have to worry about it. Murray’s fate will be in his own hands, the way it should be.

Although should he win in 3, and not make it, it’ll be the second time in his career that he’s failed to make the semis after going 2-1 in round robin. That would be nuts.

November 13th, 2014 at 10:59 am

That is right, Ben. Ferrer comes in late with no chance of advancing to the semis regardless.

But I think in the case of a 3-way tie (murray, fed, nishi) this contest still matters right down to the games won.

guessing now.

November 13th, 2014 at 11:10 am

If Kei wins – and it’s looking pretty certain – Andy has to win in 2 otherwise *goodbye*. Just what I needed, an already uncomfortable feeling match turned into a stressful one. Still, maybe it’ll sharpen his focus. The joys of RR.

November 13th, 2014 at 11:11 am

Ferrer doesn’t inherit Raonic’s results.
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LOL. There are lot of people who like to inherit my results when I don’t play because of injury.

November 13th, 2014 at 11:14 am

Nishikori is just showing off in this 3rd set now. I love Nishi v Ferrer
It is a fair match-up, pound for pound.

November 13th, 2014 at 11:15 am

This is why I love boxing. You beat the King, you are the King. No questions.

November 13th, 2014 at 11:16 am

Murray fans, serious question, would you rather Murray beat Federer in 3 and not make it or just lose and not make it?

Beating Federer and not making it would at least build his confidence against the top guys, something he’s sorely lacked all year. But it would be so bittersweet. Simlpy losing would be like the mercy kill.

November 13th, 2014 at 11:26 am

Just as long as he wins. He needs this win – not necessarily for the SF but for himself. It’s more important leading into 2015 imho. Plus, I want that H2H back in his favor. He kept a lead for 6 years – no small feat. Just a personal preference, it makes me feel a slight psychological edge ;)

Rushing out to buy some valium and vodka.

November 13th, 2014 at 11:34 am

No real fan of any player would prefer for their favourite to lose under any circumstance.

However, I wonder what real Fed fans would prefer, that Roger never win another slam but Nadal not catching him or Roger winning more slams but Nadal passing him.

November 13th, 2014 at 11:38 am

Federer will advance regardless of what happens. Now the question is does he advance first in his group (with Nishikori second) or second (with Murray first)? I’d love to see Murray and Fed both advance but I just don’t see Murray winning in straight sets.

November 13th, 2014 at 11:48 am

@Ben, my preferred outcome is for Murray to play well regardless of the result.

November 13th, 2014 at 11:49 am

I get it. That is why the name is WTF.

November 13th, 2014 at 12:16 pm

It looks like Djoko, Stan, Fed and Kei will qualify. 2 Slam winners and 2 Slam finalist this season. More fitting.

The good thing is that there is a lot in steak in this match. Fed to keep his (slim) chance at number one alive and Murray to get a top 3 win and qualify first in his group.

November 13th, 2014 at 12:22 pm

looks like Federer has already lost the match going by the Murray fan posters.
Me think Fed wants to have a say in that. He will play to lead H2H.

November 13th, 2014 at 12:38 pm

but i think Murray wants it more.

Ik havent been that good in predicting matches this week.
So Murray for the win.

November 13th, 2014 at 12:43 pm

Hopefully pusher lose with scoreline 6-3 6-2 and fire that awful coach and start some serious practice for new season.

November 13th, 2014 at 1:40 pm

Sorry for being a bit dim but can someone explain to me why if Andy wins in 3 sets and has a better game difference than Kei, why he wont go through? As Kei would be on the same results as Andy, so surely it would come down to games won?

November 13th, 2014 at 1:55 pm

Can someone explain to me why Kei will qualify 2nd for semis if Andy wins in 3 sets against Roger? As Andy and Kei would both be on 4-3 for sets win so surely it should go down to games won?

November 13th, 2014 at 2:00 pm

Tough to predict the outcome of the match. Federer is already qualified, and by taking a set he will claim the first place (avoiding djokovic), and will also eliminate Murray. Murray can win, but his inconsistency will not allow him to do it in straight sets. Federer and Nishikori to get trough

November 13th, 2014 at 2:05 pm

SX1, the best thing is to ignore your nonsense, which I shall do in future. Meanwhile, I’ll just say you seem to have been sampling too freely the wares of a different kind of pusher.

November 13th, 2014 at 2:10 pm

MM, head-to-head results comes before games won if only two players are tied, which would be the case here and Kei would qualify based on his win over Andy.

November 13th, 2014 at 2:23 pm

Thank you elina, fingers crossed Andy can win in straight sets then.

November 13th, 2014 at 2:27 pm

I never understood round robin. How come fed wins both his matches, murray loses his and then murray has a possibility of going through?

Huh?

November 13th, 2014 at 2:30 pm

A round robin tournament is nothing different than a league regular season/ playoff format, except the regular season is set at exactly one game per match-up.

Just like in the NFL, a team can lose in regular season and beat the same team in the playoffs.

November 13th, 2014 at 2:45 pm

Hope this “pusher” defeat Olderer
Come on, Andy!

November 13th, 2014 at 2:52 pm

Fed goes through regardless.

If Murray wins, he, Fed and Kei will all be 2-1.

Of the 3 players with 2 wins, 1 player’s sets won-loss is 5-2 for 71.43%; the other 2 players both have a 4-3 record in sets for 57.14%. In this case there is 1 superior player (71.43%) and the remaining 2 players are tied; it now reverts to the head to head result of the 2 remaining players with the winning player advancing as group runner-up.

If Murray wins in three, Fed will be 7-2 (77.8%), Kei will be 4-3 (57.1%) and Andy will be 4-3 (57.1%). Kei’s win over Murray would then be the tiebreaker and Kei would advance.

If Murray wins in two then Kei is eliminated as both Fed and Murray would have better percentage sets won. Murray would finish first in the group because he beat Fed.

Simple really. What?

November 13th, 2014 at 2:55 pm

Sorry but the 3rd paragraph above that starts with “Of the 3 players…” is just the example taken verbatim from the WTF web site, not the actual numbers of this year’s potential standings!

November 13th, 2014 at 2:58 pm

TV, how about Serena getting thrashed by Halep in the round robin stage then thrashing her right back in the final? How does everyone feel about that?

November 13th, 2014 at 3:03 pm

Didn’t Ferrer just pull out of the upcoming CTL with injury?
That group can’t be happy with his showing up to play in London.

November 13th, 2014 at 3:04 pm

Sounds like the cult is there in full force with the cowbells!
Come on Andy!

November 13th, 2014 at 3:06 pm

Olderer is exposing pusher!!

November 13th, 2014 at 3:29 pm

Madmax,

If Murray beats Federer in straight sets, it is considered a two-way tie in group B; even though Murray lost a match previously, Fed will finish at set count of 2-1, just like Muzz. So the format defers to their H2H for a decision which is Murray over Federer. That h2h clause is what I think is dicey. Maybe it is relevant enough in Murray-Fed case, but in many other h2h’s between other players h2h can be completely outdated, non-existent, irrelevant, ect.

Let’s see if Murray can beat Fed in straight sets. I think I read that Murray did it last in Shanghai, 2012. Get the popcorn.

November 13th, 2014 at 3:35 pm

bagel????

November 13th, 2014 at 3:36 pm

Murray’s first serve is 29%!!! What!?!?!?

November 13th, 2014 at 3:37 pm

Is anyone actually watching? Shed some light on what’s happening here?

November 13th, 2014 at 3:38 pm

Pusher has been bagelled ..hahaha

November 13th, 2014 at 3:40 pm

he is letting djoker know that TMF can pop up every single time they meet.
he is setting 1 h2h straight.

November 13th, 2014 at 3:40 pm

Meant: not set count but win- loss

Murray and Federer both will finish at a tie in Wins to Losses.

November 13th, 2014 at 3:43 pm

Fed wasn’t missing hit most ball middle of the cpurt to deny Murrya angles. Murray made a ton of mistakes and Fed pull he trigger when he wanted to. A few winners, drop shots, lobbys. Fed wpis totally in control and confortable in the matcn while Murray seems to be embarresed by what is happening and is not serving at all even when he tried to reduce the speed of serve ge is missing the court.

November 13th, 2014 at 3:44 pm

Pusher is out of WTF

November 13th, 2014 at 3:45 pm

This crowd really need to get behind Andy. Pathetic!

November 13th, 2014 at 3:45 pm

Fed is not misng anything and hitting most balls middle of the coirt to deny Andy angles. Sometmes he pulls the trigger and a winner, drop shot going to the net or attacking returns. Murray is not serving at all and when he reduces speed he misses the court. Fed totally in control and confortable while Murray getting desperate and embarrassed.

November 13th, 2014 at 3:46 pm

Oh, I did not realize it was on!! Was waiting for match on Tennis Channel…watching a rerun of Serena v Halep.

Federer smashed Murray in the opening set 6-1.

November 13th, 2014 at 3:47 pm

Fed is bullying Andy, that’s what’s happening. Andy not quite with it. Come on Andy!

November 13th, 2014 at 3:47 pm

Fed 34 points to Murray 11.

November 13th, 2014 at 3:47 pm

I know its been said before numerous times but Murray needs to shore up his second serve. Fed is punishing it. Just not good enough, especially if you are only getting 30 % of your first serves in.

November 13th, 2014 at 3:47 pm

contador, it was 6-0 and 8-0 so far almost 9-0.

November 13th, 2014 at 3:48 pm

I mean 6-0 Fed in the opening set and now he is up a break, madmax, in the 2nd.

November 13th, 2014 at 3:48 pm

Yeah, I see that now, Daniel.

Murray, what is wrong with him?

November 13th, 2014 at 3:49 pm

Oh. My. Murray is awful, Fed is playing amazing. The only way to explain this totally one-sided affair at the moment!

November 13th, 2014 at 3:51 pm

Hey Tennis X moderators. Give me a bloody. Reak

November 13th, 2014 at 3:52 pm

*break*

November 13th, 2014 at 3:52 pm

Murray First serve percentage is higher than Federer !!

November 13th, 2014 at 3:53 pm

Jesus poor Murray. He needs a string of good serves. He must be too nervous. 15-30 0-3 down.

November 13th, 2014 at 3:53 pm

11-0 and he had 2 game points last time he served. He didn’t need to end this season like this. Hope he gets 1 game.

November 13th, 2014 at 4:01 pm

Good grief. 8-0, 5,0 Federer

All I can do is wish a better year for Murray in 2015.

November 13th, 2014 at 4:02 pm

I can’t type. 6-0. not 8-0

November 13th, 2014 at 4:03 pm

Finally he makes a game and avoid a bicycle after 0-30 down.

November 13th, 2014 at 4:07 pm

Fed’s first serve percentage still awfull although he won more than 90% of those.

November 13th, 2014 at 4:07 pm

Hahaha..crowd is cheering him for winning a game ..

November 13th, 2014 at 4:10 pm

Match point. Does not appear, in the time I have been watching that Fed had to work too hard. Murray wasn’t himself. Facepalm match.

But I missed the first set.

November 13th, 2014 at 4:11 pm

The anomaly of H2H is corrected

November 13th, 2014 at 4:11 pm

Murray turned from a Brit into a Scot under an hour.

November 13th, 2014 at 4:13 pm

Daniel wrote: Fed’s first serve percentage still awfull although he won more than 90% of those.

100% for the whole match, to be exact.

November 13th, 2014 at 4:14 pm

Oh dear Andy,i wasnt expecting him to win this tournament,but i certainly didnt think this match would be so one sided,its looking like a Novak/Roger final,Novak wont lose to Berdych,or Kei,i still think Novak will win the title in two or possibly three tight sets,as for Andy,enjoy a rest,and put this season behind you,and start a fresh in the next one,best of luck Andy….

November 13th, 2014 at 4:22 pm

The best match so far has been Kei and Ferrer (the alternate).

November 13th, 2014 at 4:23 pm

I know he won’t do this but: I really hope Andy fires amelie and hires a different coach. Said at the start that I do not see this one working out and the gulf between him and the top 3 is just getting even wider with every passing moment. His confidence has been shot to smithereens today. Amelie was hardly a tough cookie. His 2nd serve has spank me written all over it. Mauresmo likely will not be able to improve it. Sure he’s won titles, but saving match points to robredo is hardly heartening form leading to tougher challenges. I fear his tennis is regressing and he’s not got the right help to address it.

November 13th, 2014 at 4:25 pm

Bob,

You have to check the stats right. Fed had 39% first serves in whoch he won 100%. Murray had 45% in but won less than 40% of first serves I think.

November 13th, 2014 at 4:45 pm

Sorry Bob thoguht you have said his first serve was 100%. My bad.

November 13th, 2014 at 4:48 pm

Tough break for Milos and Andy.
Don’t worry – when stem cell treatment becomes the norm for injuries, they’ll be able to play until they’re 75 and win 50 slams each.
That is, of course, unless Nadal plays until he’s 80 and wins all of them.

November 13th, 2014 at 4:56 pm

contador!
what the f were you tokking bout ?

they finish this, they finish that, set count….
go see docter! sfbs

November 13th, 2014 at 5:12 pm

Can I just say, bwahahahahahahahahahaha!!

OK. Got that out. Ummm. Nice effort. Too bad Fed wasn’t serving well! It might have been ugly.

November 13th, 2014 at 6:29 pm

Murray’s return game is way too good for this score, even if he’s playing TMF.

I just hope TMF can retain “maestro mode” for the rest of the tournament and the Davis Cup.

November 13th, 2014 at 10:16 pm