Djokovic-Murray Halted In The 4th Set, Play To Resume Saturday; Wawrinka Awaits

by Staff | June 5th, 2015, 5:54 pm
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Semifinal Friday came and went at the French Open, but our Sunday final is still not set. That’s because the second semi between Novak Djokovic and Andy Murray was suspended at 8:30pm Paris time with the Serb up 2-1 in sets and knotted 3-3 in the fourth.

A long, scorching day in Paris began with Stan Wawrinka outlasting Jo-Wilfried Tsonga 6-3, 6-7(1), 7-6(3), 6-4 in 3-hours, 45-minutes under a blazing hot 90F degree sun. Wawrinka, who lost in the first round last year, was in his firs French Open semifinal.

“Well, you know, my dream was to play Roland Garros, not to win it, not to reach the final,” said the 30-year-old Wawrinka.


“The fact that I have reached the final now here is something exceptional after winning a Grand Slam in Australia a year ago now. And to think that this is yet another final in yet another Grand Slam, it’s something amazing.”

Wawrinka broke the Frenchman early on then led in the second before Tsonga stormed back to level match.

Both players were slugging it out from the ground, and both were on edge seeking their first French Open final.

A tough third set proved to be the turning point with Wawrinka eventually wearing down Tsonga. And then an early break in the fourth sealed it.

“Today I started the match really well,” Wawrinka said. “I was set and break up, playing really great tennis, really aggressive, and I started to get nervous, to lose my concentration. And the match completely changed,” he said.

“Even when I was really nervous in the third and fourth sets, I stayed calm and was focused on my game plan. Tennis is an extreme sport in terms of emotions, both positive and negative. You should make the most of these moments and enjoy them fully.”

Wawrinka, who made the semifinals at the Australian, moved on to the finals is Paris for the first time. He now has more Slam finals the last two years than Federer, and he 11-1 this season in Slams.

Tsonga had ripped through the draw beating Tomas Berdych and then Kei Nishikori, but couldn’t get off to the start he needed and his 1/17 mark on break points did him in.

“He got off to a good start,” said Tsonga. “He played well from the very beginning of the match. He prevented me from being aggressive. I couldn’t control the balls very well… He was more clinical, I would say.”

The French will have to wait a little longer for another champion since Yannick Noah’s title in 1983.

For most the evening in Paris it looked like Wawrinka would face Djokovic. In the hot conditions, the Serb jumped out on Murray early in the first two sets and appeared well in control of the match.

In the third, Djokovic closed in on the finish line but blew a couple of early breakpoints. Murray hung around to 5-5 when he took advantage of his first break chances of the day. Murray broke, then served out the set.

After a lengthy toilet/trainer/clothing change for Djokovic, play resumed in the fourth with Novak looking stronger, but he failed to convert a 0-40 on Murray’s next service. With a storm cell rapidly approaching and light fading, the two continued to engage in their hallmark grueling rallies. After they traded breaks, supervisor Andreas Egli came on court to alert the players that the match would be stopped due to an incoming storm.

Fans jeered as the players left. And soon after the rains came.

Play will resume Saturday at Roland Garros at 1pm, 7am ET in the U.S. on NBC. The women’s final between Serena Williams and Lucie Safarova will go on as scheduled at 3pm.

SATURDAY FRENCH OPEN SCHEDULE
Philippe-Chatrier Court 1:00 PM Start
Novak Djokovic (SRB)[1] vs. Andy Murray (GBR)[3] To Finish 6-3 6-3 5-7 3-3

3pm
Serena Williams (USA)[1] vs. Lucie Safarova (CZE)[13]
Bob Bryan (USA)[1] vs. Ivan Dodig (CRO)[3]
Mike Bryan (USA)[1] Marcelo Melo (BRA)[3]


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134 Comments for Djokovic-Murray Halted In The 4th Set, Play To Resume Saturday; Wawrinka Awaits

Wog Boy Says:

This is for Nole fans not to go hard on Nole, and it is from the other forum:

“I wonder how many people know that Nole has vision problem during low light due to contact lenses.”


Zozza Says:

Wawrinka has the weapons to beat Djokovic but can he play his best in the final ?
Nerves might take over
Murray good effort in Paris but Wimbledon Is his best chance of another slam
Only 4 men can win slams this year
Federer still maybe at Wimbledon only
Murray only Wimbledon chance at US open
Wawrinka chances in all three remaining slams
Djokovic the same

One man who definately has no chance at the last two remaining slams Nadal … He will be found out at Wimbledon plus US open !!!
No chance this year but maybe next year in French ???
Unless he returns to 2013 form Nadal will never win a major again
Reality has hit him in the face … Longtime coming !
Nadal just get another coach & get new perspective on clay uncle Toni should walk away !


Tennis Vagabond Says:

I haven’t looked at the stats of UEs and winners, but how it FELT, was that for the first two sets, Novak played to the limits of human ability and physicality and no matter how great Murray played, he could not get beyond that.
And then, just for a few moments in the third set, Murray went beyond the limits, with magic and fight. He became the aggressor for the last set. I believe Npvak can match that magic, and I think the hope for tennis (in terms, of course, of those who WANT competition) is that Murray will bring that level, and that focus, in this rivalry from here on out. I would LOVE to see Novak working outside his comfort zone, and see the balance of offence and defense he goes to when dealing with a Murray like we saw at the end of the third. But that will only happen if Murray can play like that again.

My main hope isn’t for any winner today: its that these two can reach this level of focus and nerves from here on out against each other.

In the end, whoever wins, I’ll be rooting for Stan. Love his game, and love the honesty of his comments above. But Stan is not the future of tennis. The best we can hope for is a real Novak-Andy rivalry and Stan (and maybe Kei, Marin, Milos) as third wheels.


jane Says:

tennisvagabond, in case you care – as of now
novak: 42 winners/ 35 errors
murray: 33 winners/39 errors


django Says:

How many hours has Stan been on court so far?


chris ford1 Says:

With time to think, I believe this Nole-Andy match, so far, is the highest quality tennis I have seen in a year.
Andy is a tennis genius and world class athlete. Many times, his mind has let him down, or he just couldn’t manage to step it up.
He stepped it up today. Djokovic played his A game, but we see Andy at his best is not far behind Nole at this point.
The two greatest mysteries to me were why Andy could not stop underachieving on a surface he was DESIGNED to play, and Vika’s serve. One mystery solved. Now we have to ponder if a strong, elite athlete female, with excellent hand-eye coordination and brushing 6 feet tall – can ever serve well enough to keep her out of trouble and hold a lead in a big match.


Michael Says:

Well, what an intriguing match between Novak vs Andy. Simpley awesome !!

Being two sets to love up and tantalizingly close to the finish, it seemed all but over for Andy. But it would not be an exaggeration to say that he resurrected himself in the match with just one shot at 5 all, Novak serving for 6-5 with 15-0 up and there Andy produced that blinder of a winner of a tough lob by Novak and that exquisite shot rejunevated the crowd with cries of Andy screaming all over. With the most of the French Crowd behind him, Andy just managed to turn it around by breaking Novak at the fag end of the set and take it to the fourth set where he had the momentum. He did manage toget an early break, but Novak just battled it out to level the match and the score stands at 3 all in the fourth.
Now the question is how will the match turn out from here on ?

I think two things are possible on Saturday when these two Gladiators take over once again the big stage. One is that, Novak will run away with the match quite easily and finish it in 4 or Andy seemingly upto the task will stage an incredible fight back and take this to the fifth which then would become anybody’s game centered more on endurance.

However, hats off to Andy for the way he staged a fight back. It looked all lost for him. But, he braved the odds and managed to turn it around against a Titan like Novak. By this effort, Andy has yet again proved that he is a real Champion who has the grit, determination and tenacity to even fight out from losing positions. Irrespective of the way, the match turns out from now on, the Crowd has got its worth and it must be the match of this French Open which generated so much excitement,energy, thrills and chills and it is all the crowd wants – value for their money and they got more than its worth.

May the best man win. All the best to the two players – Wonderful Champions, the Tennis world is bestowed with.


wilfried Says:

should read: winner of the (second) semi-final


Colin Says:

What filthy luck for Andy!

He is a slow starter, both in tournaments and in individual matches. This has been a habit for so long that I can’t see him breaking it at this stage of his career. If he could somehow win this set, he might take the decider, as Nole seemed to be getting a little tense after his first loss of a set in the tournament.

While today’s play is theoretically a set and a half, it’s most likely going to be over in a very short time. The officials timed the stoppage as well as they could, with the players level in the fourth set, but I repeat – filthy luck for Andy.


jalep Says:

jane…

*waving* to you and Wog Boy.

Was on an early morning/day assignment that made it impossible to watch live tennis or even follow livescore from work all last week.

Finally watched the sets I missed of Wawrinka v Tsonga, plus Nole v Andy. As much as I love seeing great competitive tennis… This is one of the times I wish Nole could have got it done in 3 sets.

Will be cheering Nole…watching him first thing in the morning here in my time zone!

But no matter who wins, the final won’t be easy…Stan had a hiccup in the 2nd set and did look uncomfortable for nearly 2 sets; but that 3rd set tie break and 4th set was all Stan. Agree that Andy or Nole at their best should beat Stan at his. But add in nerves, pressure, other unknown variables…

Nothing else to do but wait and see.


KatH Says:

I imagine recovery time could be a factor in the final, especially if Andy/Nole go to 5 CLOSE sets.


peter Says:

Wawrinka cant believe his luck with another opportunity to beat a player who is playing 3 days in a row. Huge advantage to him if djok murray goes 5 sets, whoever gets through. Stan should now be the favourite to win.


Margot Says:

Who knows if the match will last 15 minutes, as I suspect, or will go, as it deserves, to a nerve wrenching 5th.
Depends if Andy comes out in snail or terminator mode.
But, whatever the outcome Andy has, with some sensational and gutsy play, made a huge gesture of intent for the rest of the season.
He’s nearly there, so bring it on. And can’t wait for Jonas to get onto those dreadful overheads either!
@RZ and Markus
Don’t you dare watch now…….;)


sienna Says:

I saw enough missed overheads to know the level of this match is not so high as is claimed on this threat.

also the way Murray handed back the break doesnot bode well to call him a great champion.


Giles Says:

Okie dokie. Now no faking and cheating joker. Play fair for a change. Stop your bloody antics and MTO’s.


jalep Says:

With two such elite, finely tuned athletes as Nole and Andy (similar age/ physiology, experience), would guess recovery is down to who manage stress, both positive and negative, the best; then, have the ability and confidence to rest and wake up ready to fight. Lots of unknowns there.


batlord Says:

NBC does not have coverage of Djokovic vs Murray???


Daniel Says:

What a game from Murray, one awesome shot after another where Djoko put all return back and had chances in all points, 4-4.


Daniel Says:

Great serving and 5-4 for Djoko, so far both confirm thir games to love. Now pressure on Murray who will serve 4-6 down tk stay alive. Final part of the set, going to be tense frok now on, even more.


batlord Says:

Daniel, where are you watching this?


jalep Says:

Nor much to separate them so far…
Both holding serve solidly.

5-4 on serve.


Daniel Says:

Another easy hold by Andy with an ace, 5-5.


jalep Says:

Hi Daniel! :D

It’s a matter of who will blink first right now while serving…tons of pressure!


Daniel Says:

Watching home batlord, sadly😜


jalep Says:

What a rally! Yikes! !!


Daniel Says:

What the hell was this rally?!?! Djoko chose wrong one time from FH, should have went DTL but retunr where Andy was, repeat of third set when he won THE point after 15-0. Now 15-30.


Daniel Says:

Murray is playing too good so far. Amazing defense


jalep Says:

Oh dear Nole…

BP × 2 Andy


Jeez Says:

Rescheduling may not have favoured Djokovic after all!!!


Daniel Says:

Wow, another FH long and Djoko was broken. Andy tomseeve for the fourth set.

And the thing is Djoko start very strong as usual, he didn’t give any free points to Murray on Murray’s serve. Now repeat of fourth set all over. Maybe Djoko can still break back but if Andy puta some first serves in he could take this set and this should go 5.

Djoko will habe the advanatge of serve first but he will be more tense and under more pressure due to the 2-0 lead


Daniel Says:

In worst case, toebreak for this set.


jalep Says:

Andy with the break.

Daniel, counting on you, as great as Andy is playing. ..I can’t watch. This is the 5th year pulling 100% for Nole to win FO. Too emotional for me :(


Jeez Says:

NOW

Does this match has the potential to surpass the longest French open match of Arnaud Clement – Fabrice Santoro??


Daniel Says:

Murray hasn’t male a single mistake in his service games, all points Djoko win were winners. Double set point


Daniel Says:

Just because I said, 1 mistake. Still set point


courbon Says:

Andy is winning rallies…I think Novak will loose this match.Ces’t la vie…


Margot Says:

OMG Andy Murray, you beaut!
2 sets all. Only fitting, what with weather interrupting and all.
Goooooooo Andy!


Daniel Says:

Aa much as I would love Andy to win RG too I pulling from Novak, but he is more nervous, made a lot of errors long so far when changung directions, Murray noted this and is jot going for winners, he is more solid and is waiting Djoko’s errors.

Let’s see if Djoko will have one of those deciding sets where he saila through but by the way Andy is hitting don’t believe so, unless Novak enter gos mode and play 10-15 points wihout mistakes. After Djoko’s two easy holds I thought Djoko wouldn’t be broken and at least go to tiebreak, but him blinked first.

Somewhere in Paris Wawrinka smiling and drinking a Bordeaux glass now;-)


KatH Says:

And now we are in the 5th set!!!!!


jalep Says:

Can’t even watch flashscore. So…back to head under covers.


Daniel Says:

The good for Murray is that he won both contestes sets so he has the confidence when the match gets tough. For Djoko is best to break as soon as possible because he may blink first


Jeez Says:

Wouldn’t there be no BREADSTICKS or BAGELS in the 5th??!!!
;-)


Daniel Says:

40-15, DF and a BH long. Mirray still kore steady in rallies


Colin Says:

Andy Murray – is the guy a masochist? He produces his best when he is staring at defeat.

I am following on the French slam tracker, where they label each lost point as forced or unforced error. I’m sort of wishing two ways at once. If Nole makes a forced error it means Andy is playing well, but if it’s unforced, it may mean Nole is nervous. Urrrgh! My brain is about to explode.


jalep Says:

Congrats to Andy Murray and fans in advance.

Think you are right about Stan, @Daniel.


Daniel Says:

Djoko has to be more agressive, when he goes for kill shot and fast points he geta the better, long rallies are favoring Murray. Aso he could take more risks when returning


Jeez Says:

BAGEL or BREADSTICK ??!!!


Daniel Says:

2 consecutive errora from Murray, Djoko kept the ball center courr not allowing angles, 0-40. Second serve.


Margot Says:

Colin its on ITV1.
My comms think Novak will win, but what a scrap!
ooh 0-40 on Andy’s serve. Eeek! Comms may be right.


Daniel Says:

Second serve, deep return in FH forcong Andy back and he hit a FH in the net. Break Djoko, he needs to hold to relax more fifth set.


Daniel Says:

Agressive point by Murray since return, 15-15


Daniel Says:

Djoko 3-0. Murray needs to hold this game otherwise this set could end fast because Djoko seems be hoiting that hear going for his shot and close to lines.


Daniel Says:

Game Murray, 3-1. Djoko needs only 3 more holda. This hold is crucial for him, to go up 4-1


Margot Says:

Djko’s game up. Andy’s down.
Game over now?


Daniel Says:

Wow, what a FH DTL almost outside the net from Djoko to finish the point. Amazing!! 4-1. Djoko can be more agressive on return to try finish fast. Murray has to do his part and not get broken again. He has 2 more chances to break back and If Djoko has to serve for the match he may feel the nerves, so Murray at least has to make Djoko serve it out.


Daniel Says:

Djoko going more for his shots, if he didn’t miss that drop shot first point it would be BP already, 30-30.


Daniel Says:

Agressive return and BH miss by Murray, BP with a feel of match point.


Jeez Says:

BREADSTICK HERE WE COME!!!!


Daniel Says:

Wow, Djoko unleashing his backhand close to the linea and strong and now to close this inside out winner on the line. Double break and to serve for the macth at 5-1


Daniel Says:

30-0 after two drops


ertorque Says:

Murray is back to his defensive ways in the last set. Novak is the aggressor and aggressor wins in the long run given that everything else is equal.


Daniel Says:

Triple match point, this is it!!


Jeez Says:

WIMPER !!!

As Usual Nothing to See :-)


Margot Says:

Nole was too good in the 5th. Well played!
See you on the green stuff when it will be much, much closer.
And I leave you with this thought….just possibly Nole might have to play his very best tennis in order to beat Andy.


jalep Says:

Daniel your posts keep me curious enough to peek at flashscore. .

Cannot believe my eyes! What heart an spirit Nole has to pull out that 5th set vs a fired up battle-ready Andy Murray!

But there is still Stan to come!!


Daniel Says:

Ace to finish, conhrats Novak on hos third RG final and second in a row!!

Playing for hostory tomorrow and his career Slam. Sweat!!!
Hope another classic between him and Wawrinka.

This was a valiant effort from Murray bit tgis end of match again must feel sour beacuse another crauhing final set lost to Djokovic as it was in all 4 matches this year. No matter how well he plays in the end when Djoko increase his level and is more agressive he wins. But this is good signs for grass because if he was the only one to win 2 straight sets of Novak on clay on grass he has all the tools to break the streaknof losses.

Can’t wait for tomorrow final and a new Roland Garros champion. And what a remarkable year so far from Novak. If he indeed wins it’s going to be 6th major titles this year plus last 2 in 2014 (paris Masters and WTF), total domination of the circuit from him. What a joy to wath him play his full potential and hope he gets hos elusove French Open tomorrow, he mostly deserves it afer suffering all those losses to Nadal and eventually beating him convincingly here.


Jeez Says:

Couldn’t the match been

A) a competetive 3 SETS match

OR

B)2 easy 1st 2 SETS + tight 2 SETS + BREADSTICK ??

Just a thought ???


jalep Says:

Thanks Daniel ^^^

:D

I’lol be watching in a similar manner tomorrow. ..

One eye on scoreline, if it’s a tight one. Stan definitely has an advantage at this point.


Vami Says:

Murray was awesome. He is Djokovic’s greatest obstacle right now, he replaced Federer. I hesitate to say that he’s a clear #2 as he needs to beat Federer convincingly first. We all know what happened last time they played in London.


Colin Says:

Margot, I can’t watch ITV as I have no satellite dish or means of watching TV. I haven’t watched any television for nearly 9 years!

Andy will be very disappointed, but he can take plenty from this tournament. He was the first player to take a set from Nole, and he did win the fourth set, when most people, including me, thought the match would be over in a few minutes.

As you say, things will be different on grass. Mind you,the recent rainy weather has been pretty general over Britain and France, so Wimbledon may have some interruptions.

This may be the last opportunity to watch Wimbledon on the BBC website, as this government, together with the Murdoch press, are bent on destroying the Beeb.


Michael Says:

Congrats to Novak for yet another final at Rolland Garros !!

He kept his cool despite Andy’s late resurgence and at the end of the fourth set, it did appear that may be, Andy would pull off the greatest win of his career. But it was not to be and Novak stayed tough in the fifth set. Conscious that his shots were missing the lines, Novak played percentage Tennis to deny the bid of Andy to reach his first final here.

But, all credit to Andy who fought hard as he could despite being two sets down and staring down the barrel. The silver lining for him was that in many of the rallies, he had the upper hand and if you take the total distance run by Novak, it would give an indication as to the kind of running he had to do in the Court with Andy’s fine angles and placements which were sublime. After Roger, Andy is the player who is a treat to watch on Court and is a Mozzart in action. A man with so many variations and versatility in his game and yet is falling short of realizing his true potential. But, Andy has hopes that there will be a better tomorrow and he has to perspire and persevere as he does to reach his goals.


jalep Says:

Indeed. Andy Murray clay masters title and came within a set of taking down Nole at FO. Surprised many this spring; not me, though. Andy showed glimpses and always had the ability. Great FO for him. Best of luck at Wimbledon.

No celebration from me with Wawrinka left standing. Been here before…


Michael Says:

I agree with Colin. At Wimbledon, Andy will be a bigger threat to Novak’s ascendancy. Grass is his favourite Court and he plays his best out there.


Michael Says:

Now coming to the match of Wawarinka and Novak, the H2H stands at 3-17 in later’s favour. But, do not be deceived by this as Wawarinka has ran close Novak in many matches and it is really an intriguing rivalry. Novak is just not comfortable against Wawarinka despite the H2H. It is because Novak always has this problem against one handed back hand players who have been an obstacle in his quest for excellence. The double handed back hand which is so much a source of strength against Rafa and many other double handed back hand players just doesn’t have the same effect against one handed back hand players and Novak generally struggles, but some how extricates himself out of difficult situations to squeeze out a win.

Are we in for a marathon match tomorrow ? If the match goes to five sets, Novak definitely will have the edge. Wawarinka to win has to finish it in straights or four sets, but against Novak this is a tall order. So the edge is naturally with Novak for his first title win at Rolland Garros which completes his quest for a complete Grand slam over haul.


courbon Says:

Congratulations to Andy fans for fantastic match he played. I think never seen two players painting lines so close as this match.Andy is good as Novak, with couple of points deciding. I thought Novak will loose after 4th set but then he done again his ‘5th’ set. It is becoming his trademark
to go all guns blazing in 5th set’s.
I cant wait for tomorrow.


Michael Says:

It would be really depressing for Andy to reach so many semi finals and yet fall short. But he has to take it in his stride and persevere hoping that his day will come. If you do not have a thick skin, you cannot survive in Tennis.


jane Says:

*waving back at you jalep* i missed the whole “second” match due to thinking it started at 5 am my time. so i woke up, turned on the t.v., and there was murray leaving the court and novak packing his gear. oh well.

thanks to daniel for the great, detailed commentary.

stan definitely is more rested for the final but hopefully novak will dig deep and find his very very best, and then lay it all out there!


courbon Says:

Colin, as I agree that Beeb should be saved, BBC has been behaving as a spoiled child over decades.
Example-I think MTV or some channel like that, sent 6 people to cover Glastonbury couple of years ago.
3 cameraman’s and assistants and manager. BBC send 250 people!
Changing light bulbs in the ceiling of BBC center-250 quid have been charge from contractor-they noticed after 3 years…
And then there is thing about BBC trying to fight for the rankings with reality shows ( Strictly Come, Voice…etc ); If they are taking viewers from commercial station by doing this shows, then they should not have 4 billion pounds advantage…
Again, I think BBC and any state television, ,should be preserved but they are things that should be changed. And I would prefer more quality less chasing rankings and money ( Top Gear makes enough for all of them )


jane Says:

and yes, commies to murray’s fans. very spirited effort on clay this whole season.


courbon Says:

Jane-you are true tennis fan waking up that early.I dont thnk tirednes should be a factor. Wawrinka practised today so did Novak-with best partner in the world-Andy. So it is all equal


jalep Says:

Feeling stronger about Nole’s chances as I think about it. Was such a close call, this semifinal!

Courbon and jane…hope to see you two tomorrow :)


jane Says:

courbon, that’s a nice way of looking at it. i need to check times more closely for tomorrow!


KatH Says:

I think what is different re. Murray, is his belief and determination – even though the 5th set was 6-1, he was still gritting his teeth and playing – Nole was too superior in the end – but another day, another surface….will come and its not too much of a stretch for Andy to win e.g. Grass.

Meanwhile Nole all the best for Sunday.


funches Says:

I’m amazing anyone thought Murray might win that match, and I’m a Murray guy who has argued here in the past it is a Big Four instead of a Big Three.

I stand by that, but Djokovic is a winner with more game than Murray and more motivation to win this year. There was no way he was going to lose that match, and there is no way he is going to lose to Wawrinka.


Ben Pronin Says:

I really do have a lot more respect for Murray now. Yesterday, he lost his cool, AGAIN, in the second set. And had he lost in 3 or 4, I would’ve been questioning his resolve again. But while he did have that mini collapse he came back and fought off Djokovic time and time again to push it to 5. And yeah, even though he lost the fifth set 6-1, it wasn’t like in Australia or even in Miami. Djokovic went into God mode and sometimes you just have to say “too good”. But Murray fought so hard and I have a lot of respect for that.

I hope Djokovic wins the final. I think he should and the only thing that might go against him is having to play a third day in a row.

That said, yeah, Murray should definitely be looking at Wimbledon and the US Open and thinking he has more than just a shot at those titles.


peter Says:

Seems to me Nole saved energy to make one final push in the last set, sacrificing the 4th in the process. While Murray ran down everything end of the 4th and didn’t have any gas left when Nole raised his game.

Jeez, u made a good call there. You need to bet on it next time. Bagel or breadstick, final set.


dryeagle Says:

The conclusion of this match was NOT on NBC. Wish they would get out of the tennis business.


mat4 Says:

Just read an article about the Rafole in the QF. The author, Louisa Thomas, finished it with those words:

“And yet. Never have I seen a player so obviously dominant and so underrated. Djokovic, inevitably, marches on.”

Reading comments, articles, I can’t avoid the feeling that she quite right about it.


elina Says:

Under loved maybe but hardly underrated. Show me an article where he’s been underrated recently.

A few years ago this was true but hardly anymore. Wilander said yesterday that he is likely now better on clay than Nadal ever was. Hardly underrated.


elina Says:

If anyone has been underrated it’s Murray along with his coach.


brando Says:

Did not see any of the match either day, but it seems like it was a drama filled one of all variety. Novak got the win he just had to get. Losing from 2-0 would have been a catastrophe, so for him winning was all that mattered: not the how. Even if he wo. 10-8 in 5th in reckon he would be happy no matter since he got what mattered: the win. Congratulations to him for that. Muzza? He can only be applauded really. Prematch I didn’t give him much chance but for him to stretch it to the 5th set from 0-2 was a tremendous effort. He needs to dial in early and learn how to maintain a high level with novak in all 5 sets: IF he can do that, eliminate his mental or physical lapses he has seemingly when he meets him then he will win eventually I feel. As for the final: I think Djokovic’s consistency will prevail.


Giles Says:

Wilander is a d always has been a Bandwagoner. He blows with the wind. I’m waiting for his comment that joker is the GOAT. Won’t be long now.


Markus Says:

Very correct there, elina @10:02 am. The love has been slow and delayed in coming but has been gaining steadily. Federer and Nadal have monopolized tennis fandom for so long it is hard to pull them away but most of them have started to appreciate Djokovic’s greatness. It’s really hard not to.


Giles Says:

Nah, joker will always be the unloved outsider.


courbon Says:

Jalep, see you tomorrow -unless I’m in urgency centar treated for nervous breakdown…


Markus Says:

I hope Murray has now realized he can go toe to toe with the greatest and continue to play consistently great tennis. He lost but he can hold his head up high.


Markus Says:

Oops! “greats”, not “greatest”.


brando Says:

PS: just looked at the stats and 2 things emerged: 1- novak maybe the best server on tour now from big 4 legends. He consistently gets a high % first serves in, but way more impressively: he backs up and wins a high number on either serve. THAT more than aces, variety etc is most important: can you actually hold your serve with your play? Right now he does it better than pretty much anyone. 2- Andy Murray has improved his serving. His stats are impressive and especially when you consider it’s clay and he played novak: uber impressive. I think he lost here but gained ALOT for Wimbledon and USO: events that suit his game better than any on tour really from the slams IMO. I expect the gap between Andy and Novak to appear lesser there: for now at AO and FO, muzza can feel pleased he won 3/9 sets and played very competitive for 4/9 sets. He’s improving for sure v the toughest nut to crack on tour at the moment. One final thing: also saw a few highlight clips and when I saw them I thought: rafa is way off the pace in terms of movement compared to these 2. Really Andole are top 2 right now, at least for This season and one key area is how superior their movement and stamina is. Throw in their improving serve and not too shabby returns (being sarcastic folks: we know how good it is) then it’s no wonder these guys are top 2. As a Nadal fan: the challenge that lies infront of him with these 2 is scary. Gotta admit….. But equally exciting to see how he takes on this significant challenge since make no mistake: Andole are displaying some elite level athleticism as good as any shown in other sporting fields.


Giles Says:

Similar situation to 2009 unfolding. The guy who beat Rafa had a Swiss waiting for him in the final. Something to think about, no?


Ben Pronin Says:

This is kinda funny. Nadal fans hate Wawrinka for 2014 AO but now they’re going to be backing him. Ah so fickle.

Djokovic has been serving tremendously well. But he has random hiccups. 2 untouchable love holds and then he’s broken at 15 to give Murray the chance to serve out the 4th. But he’s holding well because he’s serving well. His variety is fantastic on both first and second serve. That he can win 67% of his second serve points (although 68% on first serves is pretty low) against Murray is pretty outstanding.


Jeez Says:

Do we have a match now that Safarova has taken SET 2 in Tie break ??

OR
Will end as WIMPER like Djoker Vs Murray


Daniel Says:

The thing for Murray is he will be under huge pressure on grass season to beat novice, because if he doesn’t get a win over him soon, regardless of losing playing great, coming back from 2 sets down etc.. (he shouldn’t even be 2 sets down in the first place), to is not getting any better. He is on a 8 match losing streak, losing finals sets 6-0 or 6-1 and some say he is Djoko’s true rival?! Sorry, don;t see it that way. The potential is there but he has to deliver and get the bloody win.

Fed may have get some spanking form Novak lately but at least he beat him in Shangai last year and this year in Dubai (saving a bunch of BP’s). If it weren’t for this losses Djokovic last 52 weeks would be even more impressive. entering the fast part of the season, Federer has a shot in almost all matches, grass, Cincinnati, and indoors. Murray has to win, ASAP.

Anyone knows how is Djoko schedule fro grass season, if he will play Halle or Queens?

Watching Serena and she got broken serving for the match and lost tiebreak, went down 0-2 in third but broke back. Tense match!


Eric W. Says:

Full credit to Andy for manning up and making a contest out of it but even more credit to Novak for finishing the job. He had much more pressure to cope with, with the weight of expectations for the career Grand Slam, etc. The biggest improvement Novak’s made since 2013 is mental strength. He’s now in the league of Nadal in his prime, in that category, and shows it by refusing to lose when the pressure is at its peak. Though Stan is hungry and dangerous, it will require a major drop off in Nole’s form to prevent the world # 1 from raising the Coupe de Mousquetaires tomorrow.


Giles Says:

Ben. Not funny at all. That’s the way the cookie crumbles!
“Fickle” is the name of the game.


elina Says:

Serena just got a code violation for swearing. I guess Murray’s accent is too thick that the umpire missed ago of his f bombs and Nole’s Serbian cursing.

Shhh… Sexism at work.


mat4 Says:

@elina:

Not by me, nor Andy, nor Amélie.

I didn’t post anything on this topic, for a few reasons. Andy has always have good coaches, but the problem was Andy himself. Gilbert talked about his relationship with Andy, precisely on this topic. Lendl brought nothing others didn’t have, but Andy was willing to listen to him. If he was ready to listen to Amélie, it was the right choice.

Then, the same question arose with Novak and Boris Becker. We needed one year and a half to get an answer: this year, Novak won 92% of his serve games on clay, while his career average was 65%, and the avg 2012-14 83%.

Overall, I guess they know what they are doing.

Just a little correction: I have indeed written about the way Murray dealt with the long time members of his team who disagreed. I think that it was ugly.


jalep Says:

courbon. Your humor and light-hearted spirit is required here, if possible!

Not completely certain I will go on happily ever after…er, can take another FO title chance slip away. Ajde Nole!

NBC is so bad at doing men’s tennis – any tennis without an US American tennis player involved and the coverage becomes just stupid. Really? US tennis fans deserve more than that. We don’t all disappear when an American isn’t playing. It’s about the tennis, not about the nationality. Maybe Davis Cup can inspire that kind of fan base to show up, but in an individual sport? Can’t they understand something by using golf viewership as an example?

That said, congratulations on Serena’s 20th. But was there any doubt?

Hope we get a full ATP FO final and trophy ceremony tomorrow, regardless…


Daniel Says:

Serena is a lioness, 20 Slams!! Now she got 2 Slams this year and can also achieve the Grand Slam. She got Serena Slam but not winning all 4 in a year.

Imagine if Djoko also wins tomorrow and both #1 (male and female) going for Grand Slam this year! That would be something.

If Serena wins 2 more Slams she ties Graff, 4 more and ties Court, 5 more and she will be the GOAT, also her spam of dominance was way longer which is a feat in itself. How many Slams does she won after 30 now, 6, 7?!


skeezer Says:

20 Slams. Congrats Serena! Amazing woman warrior.


brando Says:

20 slams: damn that’s incredible. Thing is: I just get the feeling even if Serena clocks up 25 slams she won’t get cherished or be showered with love like some other legends get. For example, Sampras got 14 slams, dominated his era but in comparison to Nadal-fellow 14 majors winner- or more relevantly Agassi, he doesn’t get loved as much. Respect? The numbers demand it but it seems some get more loved, cherished regardless of numbers. McEnroe I see even get ranked higher despite lendls clearly superior figures. And I get those vibes with Serena: despite her absolutely monstrous achievements……… It doesn’t seem like she’s loved or will be feated like a graff, Navratilova. Just a feeling.


jalep Says:

Congrats to Lucie Safarova, too. Runner-up to Serena and winning a set…she looks very happy. She beat last years’ champ. Well done FO, Lucie.


courbon Says:

Jalep, thank you for compliments.
I did not know about USA tennis coverage. I guess in Europe is slightly better but eventually big networks rule the world of sport and no Americans-no interest-no money.It should not be like that but they just look at the figures…
I get way to tense watching Novak and tomorrow will be no exception.


jalep Says:

Yes, I get way too tense too, courbon. Gave up when Andy won the 4th set. Now embarrassed about it. Tomorrow will attempt to be more positive if Nole gets behind.

Maybe I can find some irony and the 30 year old Stan winning FO is a bit less difficult to accept than another loss to Nadal or Federer…

Maybe not!! ;)


chris ford1 Says:

Daniel – Serena already achieved a Grand Slam. Just not calendar year. Since there is no true season for tennis as a year round Tour, and the difficulty level is just as high to get 4 in a row no matter when it starts, a Grand Slam is a Grand Slam.
Pro tennis convention of course allows other streaks to be credited for, that do not all land in one year (match winning streak) or extend for several years (Fed’s 23 straight Slam semis he made).

The past Serena Slam, or in golf, the Tiger Slam???- Both are bona fide Grand Slams!


Daniel Says:

Chris ford,

The Grand Slam in tennis is winning four major in one calender year, that is why Serena Slam was called Serena Slam and Laver achievements are different. When Fed and Nadal were going for their 4 inna row not would not be “the Grand Slam”. Althofh I agree that attaining 4 major at once is a feat in itslef you have tomunderstand that there is a difference because you have to win in 4 different aurgave changing altogether. First AO HC, than clay, than grass and than fast HC.

But it happening in mens tennis is quiet an achievement because never happened in more than 40 years. Wilander was the closest one and he got AO and RG. Not even Fed nor Nadal got both back to back. Djoko’s is making history everytime he olaya finals now.

Also, Fed had a streak of 7 Consecutive Slam finals won (from wimby 2003 to AO 2006), Nadal had 7 (from RG 2008 to US RG 2011) and Djoko is at 2 now. If he wins tomorrow that would make 3 and counting. If he wants to get there together with Fed and Nadal, he needs a streak of major finals won also. He already has on Masters if he just translate to Slam he will get double digits soon, probably this year with tomorrows title.

Also I hope he wins US Open this year than Wimbledon, he has to win in NYc again and exorcise the ghosts of past, somehow he just doesn’t feel quiet confortable in New York. He is too HC playee to have just 1 USO


Snowbird Says:

@Daniel, 12;39pm, you know your tennis and are correct! A lot of commentators don’t seem to know the difference between the slams (majors) and the ultimate feat of the Grand Slam. They talk about each slam as a grand slam.


Okiegal Says:

I would loved to have seen this match finished yesterday. Then we could have seen “the survival of the fittest”……I will always wonder who would have been the fittest in that particular match, as they both were both physically and mentally spent. I sort of thought Andy wanted to play on, but Novak did not. He seemed anxious to get off the court. He saved energy in the 4th, I think, and guns a blazing in the 5th. Next Frenchie champion!! Congratulations to his fans on this sf and good luck tomorrow. My regrets to Margot and Chick……Oh, and me too! I wanted him to win sooooo bad. Not to be! On to grass and I’ve got to get settled in for the Belmont Stakes to see if American Pharoah can win the triple crown. I love to watch the ponies run…..almost as much as I love to watch Rafa chase down those little yellow tennis balls! :)


Snowbird Says:

I think Andy had the momentum yesterday in the 4th set, and probably could have won the 5th, but it was not meant to be. Momentum shifts happen.


Snowbird Says:

Okie: You like horse racing?? So do I. Nice to see another equestrian fan. I hope American Pharoah wins today. I think Pharoah has the potential to be another Secretariat. I’ll be watching today at 4:30pm, and will be celebrating with you.


Brando Says:

‘He is too HC playee to have just 1 USO’:

Have truer, more wiser words been written before?

LOL, playee! :-)


Okiegal Says:

@Snowbird…..Nice to know another horse racing fan. Hubby and I love to watch thoroughbreds run, more so than quarter horses. I’m wanting American Pharoah to win the triple too. It’s been a long time since that has happened. Should be exciting and I can’t wait!! I hope we’ll be celebrating together!! In my time zone it comes on at 3:30.


jane Says:

okie, the FO organizers were the ones who called off the match and the umbrellas went up 3 minutes later.


Okiegal Says:

@Snowbird…..I like most sports. Don’t care for NASCAR or soccer, but love about everything else. Never cared for boxing but have gotten hooked on women’s fighting lately. My hubby’s a distant cousin to Ronda Rousey….and she is something else. They share 4x’s great grand father. Not much kin, but my husband is a Rowsey, we spell with a w and not a u. We have been enjoying her competitions….but not hankering to meet her in a dark alley!! Lol


Okiegal Says:

@Jane, yeah I know. They showed clouds coming in so they called it right. I was just a little curious about the outcome the way it was all playing out at that particular time. How about your thoughts? Not that it matters now……..cause we will never know. I thought they both looked extremely tired, but these tennis players can fool the spectators some time. They’ll look like they’re on their last leg and boom baby, they spring to life!! Go figure??


Snowbird Says:

@Okie, nice, we’ll be celebrating together. I’m in ET, so the race is at 4:30pm for me. Just 2-1/2 hours to go. I’ll be thinking of you.

I also don’t like boxing, and car racing, either. They are very dangerous sports. Someone always gets injured, and it’s not fun. Be careful not to anger the cousin.LOL.


Okiegal Says:

@Snowbird…..Lol! We hope to meet her some day. The clan has a huge family reunion every 5 years in Kentucky. On my bucket list. We are big into genealogy research. Regarding the sport of boxing, it is very dangerous. Ali can attest to that. Too many blows to the head and they think that brought on Parkinson’s disease. Feel so sorry for him….doing something he loved and ruined his health and well being.


Daniel Says:

Brando, it should be “He is too good HC player to have…”, missed the “good” and playee kkkk
Typing is not following mind.


brando Says:

@Daniel: aw come on now Daniel, don’t be so modest. You just went all Shakespeare on us and coined your own word. claim your genius. Playee : sounds epic. P


KatH Says:

Matt 4

Re. Andy and ex team – Business is business and Andy faced resistance to what he thought was his essential needs. It was not a surprise to Dani + the other guy (Green?) that Andy was considering appointing Amelie (we, the public knew it was a possibility). That Amelie and Dani & co. didn’t gel was unfortunate – and we know how that ended.

Andy appears to be the sort of person who values family and friends but was faced with an unhappy mix. He thought Amelie would be able to help him at that particular time. Dani + (Green?)decided they had not been properly consulted and that their views were being ignored and eventually quit.

You imply Andy dealt with long term employees (one of whom was a friend) in an ugly manner – what would you have done if you had been Andy when faced with “it is us or her”?

As you may know, Dani was invited to Andy’s wedding.

So I’m not sure what it is that you think is ugly.


danica Says:

Jalep,
I hear ya! :) I woke up at 4.00am to watch the second installment of the match and couldn’t find it on any channel. The Tennis Channel was giving an omage to Navratilova while the ESPN was broadcasting golf. After about 20 minutes of futile search I finally settled for live score.

I am getting up again in 3.5 hours for the final ;)


danica Says:

Elina,

you are mistaken re: Nole’s outburst. While there were some soft swear words that could be translated in English as “what a hell?!” (we’ve already spoken about this here), his dissatisfaction was with Andy’s serving so he yelled something like “he does it again, starts (serving) and then stops!” If you pay attention, Andy was doing it in the fifth set too – he is ready to serve, or even tosses the ball, and then stops and starts over again. That is clearly disruptive for the returner and would surely be called a “gamesmanship” or “tricks” or “antics” or “cheating” had it been performed by Nole. Also, were you not bothered by fist pumping after virtually every point he won (or Novak lost)? I love Andy for all the reasons others dislike him, but this seemed somehow unethical to me.

In any case, great win for Nole and a great clay court season for Andy. He showed he can play on clay in that Rome semifinal in 2011. where Nole barely won by the smallest margin. He is now finally fulfilling that potential.


danica Says:

Giles (I believe it was),
don’t mind Wilander. He never misses the opportunity to diss Novak and only recently for whatever reason started speaking in a more favorable manner. However, claiming that Novak is the best on clay ever is clearly laughable and I believe he is a laughingstock among commenters. I have recently watched that Rome final between Rafa and Coria that went to 5 sets. What an amazing match that was! If Novak is a measuring stick nowadays, I believe those two were at least equal to him.


Margot Says:

@elina
You said it! Andy is indeed “underated.” Hell, last year he was out of the top 10, now he’s heading for N0 2, getting a Masters on the way. Only player since 2010 to come back from 2 sets down and take Nole to a 5th. Only player at RG to take 2 sets off Nole.
etc etc
@Ben
I know you’re a Djkovich fan and, ahem, in the past you’ve been a bit, um um, critical of Andy, shall I say, but that was a very nice tribute.
Doffs chapeau, again lol, to you sir.
@KatH
mat4’s said that before, but I agree with you. There was dissension in the camp, not only over Amelie’s appointment but also over Andy’s fitness regime following back surgery. A couple of the team left, easily finding jobs elsewhere. Dani got invited to the wedding. Ugly? No. Tough decisions? Heck yes.
The end.

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