Comparing Zverev With The Big 4 At The Same Age (Rafa Rules!)

Tom,

Thank you for the article that says I am better than everyone else. I will give you the $1 I promised as a reward. You have earned it!

November 19th, 2018 at 10:21 pm

https://www.tennis365.com/tennis-features/tennis365s-top-10-youngest-grand-slam-winners-becker-rank/

So this means that is the greatest of all and Michael Chang the greatest man….

November 20th, 2018 at 8:18 am

So this means that Martina Hingis is the greatest of all and Michael Chang the greatest man….

November 20th, 2018 at 8:19 am

@Eelco,
shhhhhh… you’ll embarrass HR and it’s trying to be funny routine ;)
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Keep in mind Z’s competition he was brought up in vs Rafa. Rafa had Fed and?

November 20th, 2018 at 11:08 am

So this means that Martina Hingis is the greatest of all and Michael Chang the greatest man
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It means Martina Hingis is the greatest man of all time and Chang the woman of all time.

November 20th, 2018 at 4:16 pm

It’s interesting, but the level of competition varies over time in pro tennis. Andy and Novak have good “while still 21 ” numbers, but the fact that the two “Greatest Ever” were ensconced and above them impacted their # of titles. Fed did not have it together until it all fell into place in 2003, then he fully benefited from lack of serious competitors for years. (Safin was a head case and Roddick had bad footwork Fed fully exploited for his 21-3 h2h and shutting Roddick down at big title events).

Zverev is in very good shape. He and others in his cohort will do better than the “Lost Generation” of Raonic, Nishikori, Cilic, Dimitrov, etc.

November 20th, 2018 at 11:21 pm

That’s just what I’m talking about. Federer didn’t do a thing until the 90s greats got old and retired and even Murray did more than him at that age. Truth!

November 21st, 2018 at 3:54 am

“Roddick had bad footwork Fed fully exploited”
Dude, how do you know Roddick how bad footwork? Do you know what bad footwork is? You don’t win a Slam any having bad footwork. However, Fed’s footwork,was better than anyones in his prime, including Rafa and your holy Djoker. You failed to mention that.
Yes, Fed was better than his competitors over the TOTALITY of his career, He has more Slams than anyone. More all time records than anyone. When you learn that you play against a field of players rather than ISO’s you’ll realize how the game works.
#shamtalkcontiunues

November 21st, 2018 at 11:47 am

Fed was better than his competitors over the TOTALITY of his career
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15-23

November 21st, 2018 at 12:38 pm

Dear Humble,

15-23 = -8

HR…if you need help with math, don’t be shy about asking :). I’m sure there are several people here who would gladly offer some online tutoring. Please however take it to the non-tennis related area of Tennis X.

Thanks,

SG1

November 21st, 2018 at 1:30 pm

Ronn Says:
That’s just what I’m talking about. Federer didn’t do a thing until the 90s greats got old and retired and even Murray did more than him at that age. Truth!

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Federer was 7-0 in his first majors and 13-10 in his next 23 so there has to be at least some truth to what Ronn is saying. The men’s game wasn’t particularly deep in 2003, 2004 and 2005. Did this help Federer? I can’t see how anyone can deny that it didn’t.

With all the above said, you can’t blame Federer for who’s in front of him. He beat the Hewitts and Roddicks that he played. What was he supposed to do? Lose?

When you look at the next 13 majors Federer won, they were won in what was and is probably the most competitive era of all time (…perhaps the late 70’s was the most competitive era, it’s obviously a little subjective).

Federer is the best player of his era as of right now. He’s been the most consistent player over the past 15 years. I don’t think an objective person can really deny that.

November 21st, 2018 at 1:47 pm

@CF1

“Fed did not have it together until it all fell into place in 2003, then he fully benefited from lack of serious competitors for years”

Same can be said about Novak, once Fed turned 30(2011) and Rafa started taking big sections of time off is when he has racked up all but 1 of his slams. Who has the most wins over Novak in the last 5 years? A dude in his mid to late 30’s, thats who. Weakest era of tennis ever, 2011-present.

November 21st, 2018 at 6:49 pm

SG1 Says:
Dear Humble,

15-23 = -8
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Dear Mathematician SG1,

You are too good for your own britches. I did not ask for a mathematical solution, I was pointing out that His Arrogant Highness has a losing record against me.

November 22nd, 2018 at 12:49 pm

Humble Rafa Says:

…I was pointing out that His Arrogant Highness has a losing record against me.

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Since this is already public knowledge, I thought you might be asking a math question. My apologies.

November 22nd, 2018 at 1:26 pm

Perhaps you should consider a name change. How about Obvious Rafa?

November 22nd, 2018 at 1:28 pm

Interesting that he has almost the same stats as Djoko.

November 22nd, 2018 at 2:09 pm