Serena and Venus to Meet; Isner Halted at 10-10 in 5th at Wimbledon
by Staff | July 3rd, 2015, 6:49 pm
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American women stole the spotlight on Friday at Wimbledon where three advanced into the fourth round, including setting the date for an all-Williams match-up, and two Americans came up just short of upsets.


World No. 1 Serena Williams and No. 16 seed Venus Williams lined-up a fourth round meeting after Serena was forced to work hard to get by British No. 1 Heather Watson 6-2, 4-6, 7-5, and Venus topped Serb Aleksandra Krunic 6-3, 6-2.

Serena needed three match points to close out Watson, and looked like she might burst into tears at the stress of two hours and 14 minutes on court in front of the pro-Watson crowd.

“I honestly didn’t think I was going to win,” Serena said. “I was thinking I would be hanging around to watch Venus play. I couldn’t keep up with her…I should have won the second set and I didn’t. This was a match I think I would have lost last year or the year before. Mentally I’m stronger now. The older I get, the tougher I get upstairs. But I don’t think I’ve ever played the crowd here like that. They were really vocal — in between points, during points…I’ve never heard boos here, that was new for me. They were rooting for their champion. You can’t blame them — I would be too.”

Venus said, as her sister did, that it will be good to have a Williams sister in the quarterfinals, but neither sister would admit it would rather be them.

“It’s nice to be in the second week,” Venus said. “Well, we both know we’ll be playing well.”

Serena said Venus, of the two of them, is more on her game at the moment, tipping the older sister in the battle of five-time Wimbledon champs.

“Venus is in better form than I am, but at least one of us will be in the quarterfinals,” Serena said. “I’m in awe of her in practice right now. Worst-case scenario I don’t do well, I’ll just keep trying to move forward. She’s the toughest player I’ve ever played. But she’s my sister today, my sister next week, next year. That’s more important than the match. We’ll leave everything out on the court and when it’s done, go back to regular life.”

The third American winner into the fourth round on Friday was unseeded CoCo Vandeweghe, who hit a nervous No. 22 seed Samantha Stosur off the court 6-2, 6-0.

Vandeweghe will next meet Safarova.

“I kind of expected it would be like this whole crazy elation or something like that but I’m pretty calm about it,” the unseeded American said of upsetting Stosur, beating the Aussie for the third consecutive time, and moving into the fourth round. “Just going through my routine and sticking with that on and off the court and I think that’s what has kept me settled.”

Another upset winner was Kazakhstan’s Zarina Diyas topping No. 14 Andrea Petkovic 7-5, 6-4.

Other seeded victors were No. 4 Maria Sharapova handling No. 29 Irina Begu 6-4, 6-3; No. 6 Lucie Safarova coming from a set down to defeat American Sloane Stephens 3-6, 6-3, 6-1; No. 23 Victoria Azarenka continuing her quiet ascent with a 6-4, 6-4 win over France’s Kristina Mladenovic; and No. 30 Belinda Bencic edging Americna qualifier Bethanie Mattek-Sands 7-5, 7-5.

Bencic fought back from 1-5 to take the opening set 7-5 against Mattek-Sands.

“I think the key was that I was getting more rhythm,” Bencic said. “In the first set I was definitely thinking too much about her game and her always coming to the net and me panicking when she does it. I think I calmed down a little bit and I focused on my game and tried just to put the ball in the court and to make a rally and not to think what I will do when she attacks.”

On the men’s side world No. 1 Novak Djokovic kept on rolling, moving into the fourth round and yet to drop a set at this year’s Wimbledon with a 6-3, 6-3, 6-3 dismantling of Australian No. 27 seed Bernard Tomic.

“There is nothing specifically I’ve been working on,” said Djokovic of his seemingly-impervious weaponry. “Just every stroke in my game is getting better each match. That is something that is obviously very encouraging to see…I have two days [off]. I’m going to work on the court, get myself recovered and ready for a challenge that is presented in the second week.”

The second week will start for the Serb with No. 14 Kevin Anderson, who was efficient in dismissing No. 24 seed Leonardo Mayer 6-4, 7-6(6), 6-3,

No. 4 Stan Wawrinka was the other lone Top 10-seeded player in action, taking out the big-hitting Fernando Verdasco 6-4, 6-3, 6-4, to set up a meeting with No. 16 David Goffin, who defeated Marcos Baghdatis in straight sets 6-3, 6-4, 6-2.

In his post-match conference Stan broke down the importance of winning matches in order to advance.

“In Grand Slams, you have to win, and to win in three sets, it’s great,” the Swiss said. “Playing better and better. Serving really well since the beginning of the tournament, being really aggressive. Start to feel more comfortable for moving and in defence also.”

On Monday two upset winners will face each other after turning the tables on higher-ranked opponents Friday as No. 21 Richard Gasquet handled No. 11 Grigor Dimitrov 6-3, 6-4, 6-4, and the flamboyant No. 26 seed Nick Kyrgios took out giant-serving No. 7 seed Milos Raonic from a set down 5-7, 7-5, 7-6(3), 6-3.

“I think it’s important to play entertaining tennis,” said Kyrgios, who let out a giant scream upon clinching match point. “When I’m in that state of mind, when I’m relaxed and playing around, I think that’s when I play my best. I’m focusing but at the same time I’m having fun. I thought I did that in the second, third and fourth sets. I feel you should express yourself, it’s a sport.”

Dimitrov failed to convert on any of five break point opportunities against Gasquet.

“I had too many opportunities early on in the first set to get back the break,” the Bulgarian said. “Then, I think, second set was also pretty close. I had chances…Just right now, things are not going the way I want to. The thing is also you don’t need to get too down on yourself and start digging to try to find something that is actually not there.”

American wildcard Denis Kudla kept his roll on with a five-set 6-2, 6-7(3), 2-6, 6-1, 6-3 grinding win over Santiago Giraldo. He will enjoy two days rest starting tonight while waiting to see his opponent determined on Saturday as Marin Cilic and John Isner had their match halted due to darkness at 10-10 in the fifth set.


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116 Comments for Serena and Venus to Meet; Isner Halted at 10-10 in 5th at Wimbledon

Colin Says:

Stan Wawrinka was “the other lone top 10 player in action”

If there are two of them, then neither one is “lone”. Concentrate, Staff, concentrate!


Humble Rafa Says:

Tallner does not play tennis. He is a ping pong plyaer.


skeezer Says:

Humble Rafa is so confused nowadays he doesn’t even recognize is own game (pong player) and thinks Isner plays like him? Time for a very long vacation, you have the time now. Start your own fan blog site.
—–
Stan is sounding very formidable right now and playing aggressive. Looks like he has adjusted the transition well from Clay to Grass. Nole, Fed and Murray look out!


Truthsquad Says:

Poor Humble Rafa – much like your namesake, I find your shots lack the zing and power they once had, and recently you just appear to be lost, confused, and mis-hitting everything. Perhaps you both should take some time away to rest and see if there’s anything left of your former glory left to give, because currently you are just embarrassing yourself.


Margot Says:

Go Andy!
Playing today too, don’t yer know?
Oh THAT Andy! ; )


Jock-KatH Says:

@ Margot – Wonder how Andy likes this bit of “put-u-down”….?
http://www.express.co.uk/sport/tennis/588733/Andreas-Seppi-And-Andy-Murray


Ken Mallison Says:

Too many aces in tennis? Maybe there should be a limit so we can see more REAL tennis!


jatin Says:

Just loving the way roger is playing and serving.
If he keeps this up then it would he very difficult for anyone to stop him.
Go fed.


sienna Says:

ken malison WTF are you talking about?
We are seeing great tennis. The best of the year.


Okiegal Says:

Umm 4th set coming up!!


Humble Rafa Says:

A player with no game won a set. wow.


sienna Says:

Yup but he would have blown you off the court.


TennisAce Says:

but b4 you know it, the 4th set is over.. Go Roger..


calmdownplease Says:

Oh I know Jatin,

Even Groth couldn’t get to 5 with the `MAESTRO`
What chance anyone else eh?


calmdownplease Says:

@JK

That was probably a mistake for Seppi to say that
hehehe


calmdownplease Says:

meanwhile an incredible rally from Wardy (who lives near me)
Brings BP!


jane Says:

serena said yesterday she felt was playing watson plus others because of the vociferous crowd support for her opponent. i’ll bet popsicle feels that today.


MIa0007 Says:

In a one player sport where seedings are left up to Whomever? relatives should not be allowed to play against each other. Does anyone really think Venus would prevent her sister from making history?
Making “noble”remarks about opponents when you”win” and NOt when you lose sounds shallow.
Equipment needs to become more equal for those that have millions and those who sleep in Vans.


Hippy Chick Says:

I hope Wardy keeps up this level,and doesnt get tight like Heather did yesterday,agree Jane it must be tough for players when they are playing a player that has such a partisan following….


Wog Boy Says:

JJ took Kvitova out, glad for her but sorry for Kvitova.


Hippy Chick Says:

Wogboy im sorry for Kvitova, and i like JJ too,i hope she can back it up,but the trouble is her inconsistency,i certainly didnt see that one coming,Kvitovas been playing of late….


alice Says:

Wog boy
Oh no. I love Kvitova. I was watching that match earlier and Petra was destroying her then JJ slipped and Petra seemed to lose concentration. I didn’t see the final set though.


jatin Says:

@Cdp
Fed is yet to be broken so far.
And I think being a diehard fan of someone gives you little bit liberty to be somewhat naive.
And so far, he is playing more lethal and agressive tennis than last year in my opinion.
You will see more of this in the 2nd week of the open. He is a contender even at the age of 34 ( no matter how many people deny it)


Hippy Chick Says:

Andys my second favorite after Rafa,and i love watching him play,but the match im really looking forward to today is the Monflis/Simon match….


Wog Boy Says:

HC,
I feel sorry for all of them when I know that the end Serena is waiting for them:(


calmdownplease Says:

`Fed is yet to be broken so far…`

W.T.F?!
He dropped a set to an utter nobody and according to you he is playing `lethal tennis`
Roll on week 2 and his and your reality check!
It’s all for your own good too.
This Fed worshipping is a kind of sickness like joining the moonies or some other cult
What a ridiculous situation!


Hippy Chick Says:

Wogboy lol true,the thing is which player is playing for the right to be beaten by her Sharapova maybe?….


Hippy Chick Says:

CDP dont attack me please?but Jatin is one of the nicest fairest and most gracious fans on this forum,he always gives alot of credit for all Federers rivals,damn Ward just got broken Vasek serving for the match,nice effort great match….


jane Says:

VASHY! Popsicle did it. So proud of him; first time he’s ever reached second week at a slam, in singles of course. :)


calmdownplease Says:

poor wardy
sigh


Hippy Chick Says:

Jane yeah dissapointed for our guy,but it was a great match,and Vashy was the worthy winner no doubt about it….


Wog Boy Says:

Congrats to jane and Canadians, commiserations to Brits.


calmdownplease Says:

spectacular reflexes from Andy


jane Says:

thanks wog boy. serbian versus canadian next. ;)

well, cdp and hippy,don’t be too downhearted; ward went deeper than ever before, he played well, plus davis cup coming.

vasek just took more risks, i thought; he was willing to come forward, all that doubles play / experience. i’ve always loved popsicle’s tennis, so i am very happy for him.


Hippy Chick Says:

Thanks Jane,im really proud of him,the Isner match was fantastic in the DC….


calmdownplease Says:

Thanks Jane
And yes, he will surely do another of his heroic turns on the green stuff for Davis Cup


calmdownplease Says:

And I don’t know why some are complaining about the Brits at Wimbledon, they’re being entirely fair tonight
Compare them to the garbage in Switzerland when Fed plays!


calmdownplease Says:

Oh How I wish Andrew Castle would simply crawl into a corner & die!


jatin Says:

Thanks a lot hippy for supporting me. It means a lot :(
I saw the Rafa match. It was sad to see him out so early. Nemesis or not, seeing a great champion falling like that does not look good. And the follow up headline of RIP was not cool either. Its nice to see you backing up Murray. Rooting for a player ( if your fav is out) gives you another reason to follow the tourney and get over the hurt and setback.
Even Dustin lost to victor today.


Hippy Chick Says:

Jatin no problem your welcome,Roger,Novak and Andy are all playing really well,so are quite a few others,although i cant see anyone other than those three winning the title,i suppose you never know?as for Rafa time will tell where he goes from here….


El_matador Says:

Cdp’s love for fed is amazing..he gives giles and sienna some real competition in posting garbage..keep them coming


jatin Says:

Hippy.
I agree. But Did you saw Dr Ivo today. 36 years of age and he just beat Tsonga in 3 tiebreakers. He could do the same to Tomas as well ( is he facing him next ? ) I am confused.
I have seen some earlier videos of Rafa when he used to hit his forhand a lot flatter like fed’s. I think they were of 2004-05. They were some amazing forehands with very less topspin but with extra speed added to it.
I think he should adopt an agressice approach to his game. His vollying skills are amzing as well. Its high time for him to change his game.
But he and his uncle knows better. They would come up with some solution surely. Lets see how it goes.


calmdownplease Says:

`keep them coming`

I SURELY WILL, NUMB NUTS :-)


calmdownplease Says:

Oh DEAR
The obligatory dip has arrived…


calmdownplease Says:

what is the point of doing this?
It really is a terrible mental problem just handing a f****ng set to Seppi like that who shouldn’t be getting near one
Good grief!


El_matador Says:

I am sure you will,you are quite good at it..i just hope you won’t hide away again from this site if murray loses..


madmax Says:

Sorry to interrupt Murray game Margot and pals, but wanted to make one comment on the Fed v Groth game…

jatin Says:
Just loving the way roger is playing and serving.
If he keeps this up then it would he very difficult for anyone to stop him.
Go fed.

July 4th, 2015 at 9:35 am

Jatin,

Did you notice *or anyone else for that matter~ Groth saying “sorry mate”, to Roger, at inopportune moments?”. He through the ball toss high, then caught the ball and uttered these words. I counted on 5 occasions, throughout the match.

It got me irritated because I think it was a tactic on his part to put Roger off his game. I didn’t like the way he did this, seemingly innocent, when I feel he knew exactly what he was doing.

Groth – heavy set baseball/cricket player, and I don’t think a very interesting player to watch. Relied too heavily on his serve, not much else, the occasional nice volley, but no.

Not a fan.

CDP, Roger was not broken until today, and that is amazing. That is what Jatin meant.


calmdownplease Says:

Well aren’t you a lying, obtuse little piece of nonsense
I don’t HIDE from anything and have been here to the bitter end
Who are you again?!


madmax Says:

And when the likes of John Inverdale, say, when Fed is two sets up, well. this could be match point, shut yer gob Inverdale! Just let them play. Wish commentators would just keep their opinions to themselves at crucial points of the match.

Very off putting.


madmax Says:

These Medical Time Outs. Are they for real?

Come on Sue Barker, Andy is NOT in trouble. Of course he will win. Give him a break!


calmdownplease Says:

6-1
Well,
That’s just mental midgetary
Completely ridiculous from a player who was not troubling him in the slightest


calmdownplease Says:

`midgetaryness`?
`midgetness`?

Well, it sucked anyway however it is defined


calmdownplease Says:

Seppi breaks
He now has belief
Pathetic


Okiegal Says:

I’m a good lip reader…Andy said the word back…..


calmdownplease Says:

now everyone knows

If under the cosh have yourself a little MTO
Does the trick against Murray it seems.


El_matador Says:

Well,we all know what you did after “predicting” last roger vs andy match,he he…it’s a pity that you think only name calling other posters makes you smart..try harder


calmdownplease Says:

now Andy is trying it on
Except he doesn’t usually
oh F…
What a mess


brando Says:

Andy really is poor for me mentally. Who duped himself again. Reminded me of AO final: Andy PERCEIVES his opponent to be in a certain state, finds out it’s not like that and boom: completely implodes mentally. This is such amateur stuff: McEnroe is right: Andy duped himself so easily there. Unbelievable and mighty disappointing that so little could lead to a 6-1 and break down. Annoying!


sienna Says:

Roger was not broken. Losing breaker can without losing serve in first 6 service games of set.

you can lose breker against 147 m/h service.


calmdownplease Says:

we all know what I did eh?
My goodness I cant even remember, nor do I care
I have a little fan it seems
I’m sorry but I don’t usually bother with the little people….


Okiegal Says:

Andy, Serena like…..C’MON!!!


jane Says:

first seppi takes a MTO; then andy takes a MTO. for a previously drama-less match, suddenly there’s plenty-o-drama.


El_matador Says:

By the way,i have nothing against andy and his great supporters here like rz,colin,da,margot,hippy..i would love to see fed break sampras’ record here..but if it’s not him,let it be murray..


calmdownplease Says:

And el-matador for me its only tennis
I don’t give that much of a f*** to be honest
(Just a little bit)
FEDERER IS OLD, DEAL WITH IT!


jatin Says:

Madmax
Completely
I saw him tossing the ball and then wait … Caught the ball .. Wait and says something. I didn’t made too much fuss about it until the commentators mentioned it ( I never liked Alan Wilkins as a comentator anyway but star sports love to hire him even for circket and golf as well). I don’t know if he did those tactics to distrupt roger but they were worth noticing.

I think groth has lil bit of everything in his game apart from a decent backhand but sock is better and much more exciting to watch.


Wog Boy Says:

“Did you notice *or anyone else for that matter~ Groth saying “sorry mate”, to Roger, at inopportune moments?”. He through the ball toss high, then caught the ball and uttered these words. I counted on 5 occasions, throughout the match.

It got me irritated because I think it was a tactic on his part to put Roger off his game. I didn’t like the way he did this, seemingly innocent, when I feel he knew exactly what he was doing.”

You are wrong about that one, Groth does that in every single match, and he is “the mate”, that’s the way he talks and behaves on and of the court. He is just not typical tennis player, just ordinary dude from the South Coast, die hard working class area, Aussie Rules player (left tennis to play footy), not conventional tennis player. When he was Jarmila Gajdosova husband it was fun to listen them arguing, he from her box and her on the court.


El_matador Says:

It’s not surprising that you can’t remember..we can’t expect much from that brain..


calmdownplease Says:

Well, at least everyone has woken up again
But it was all so unnecessary
completely!


calmdownplease Says:

The feeling mutual you little bit**
I have no interest in sparring with such a microcephalic like you now so BEGONE!
Or I will start to get angry
Ah Andy has begun to awaken
Finally


jane Says:

wog boy, sorry but i have to ask – do you like any aussi players? :D


FedExpress Says:

Disgusting murray. Whar an actir he is. Pretending an injury and taking a MTO and after that playing like a world beater. Shame.at the AO he criticized nole for that.


calmdownplease Says:

this is a more fun ending to the match at least
than the routine one that should have happened
these distractions however tsk


calmdownplease Says:

er no Fedex
And Seppi started it
So there!


Okiegal Says:

All Chris Fowler can talk about is the MTOs and gamesmanship on both guys!!


El_matador Says:

Well,i’m doomed..harder baby:-)


brando Says:

So true: John McEnroe
Three-time Wimbledon champion on BBC TV
“If there was ever a question about how mental this game is or how mind games play a part, it’s been answered in this match.”Tim Henman
Former British number one on BBC TV
“I’ve never seen a trainer influence a match so successfully as today.”


jane Says:

sorry ignore my comment wog boy; i realize now that you were quoting someone else. but just out of curiosity, which aussie players do you like?


Okiegal Says:

@calmdownpweez

Dear, how are you doing this evening??


brando Says:

LOLWhen you see a match of that nature, it’s so difficult to predict. Trainer comes on and Murray loses six games in a row. Trainer comes back on and Murray wins six games in a row


Wog Boy Says:

jane,
I was defending Groth. Warming up to Kokkinakis, not Tomic and Kyrgios fan, same reason I could cheer Hewitt but loved Rafter.


Wog Boy Says:

^^ couldn’t cheer Hewitt


Daniel Says:

Glad Andy is through, didn’t see any of the matches today. Only Monfils left to complete R16


Patson Says:

@Brando

Man of the match: the Trainer.


FedExpress Says:

Murray is a cheat. Fact. Same as is nole.


jane Says:

yes, sorry for confusion wog boy. 4-K and hewitt still alive in doubles i think. rafter was great; so sad when he lost that one wimbledon final to pete, even though i liked sampras too.


jane Says:

fed express: i am guessing you think rafa is too then? so rafa, andy and novak are all “cheats”? ;)


Brando Says:

@Patson:

LMFAO-spot on!

@Jane:

They all are. Add in anyone else who ends up with a winning h2h v fed, since surely you gotta be cheating to beat the Fed, lol!


Wog Boy Says:

More sad when he lost one to Ivanisevic.


Patson Says:

@FedExpress

For all the ignoramuses:

Federer – Tsonga Wimbledon 2011 … Federer’s bathroom break.

Read it, read it again, and again, and again. And then just do what skeezer sometimes tells others to do: shut up.


Brando Says:

My take on the match was:

Disappointment.

Andy winning, the win sets being 6-2, 6-2, 6-1 is good but what we all kinda expected. Certainly a win and possibly a stroll.

BUT for me the disappointment arises from how Andy let himself lose a set so easily due to his opponent taking a ‘tactical’ MTO. To hand over a set so easily, so cheaply: man that’s just annoying.

I’ve seen Rafa, Fed and Nole lose sets tamely. Poor play, slow start or just going AWOL mentally. Can happen to greats. But I have never seen them toss a set on something so easy as a opponent looking to switch momentum with a MTO.

You could see what Seppi was trying to do- which even McEnroe said no one can fault him for (why not if your Seppi?)- but you have control over whether you let it affect yourself and to see Andy let himself fall so tamely to that was arrgghhh, frustrating to say the least.

Put Simply:

No matter what happens down the road he needs to cut out being duped with these tactics that all players know about.

It’s tame and lame for him to be conned by such elementary tactics that are as old and well known as butter and bread!


Brando Says:

PS:

He just needs to forget about the opponents state physically. Just don’t give care about it. At all. If they are playing the point: they are 110% well for you even if they are on 1 leg.

Just focus utterly and completely on yourself and your game.

It’a so obvious and basic, yet for some reason a player like Andy with over 600 tour matches under his belt seemingly does not quite have it locked into his game.


madmax Says:

Wog boy,

What Groth did, he does NOT do to all players.

This is the first time he has played one of the top four players in his career and for me, he was well underhand.

It has nothing to do with the fact that he is Australian. The “sorry mate” is not the point.

It was the fact that he did what he did on a number of occasions.

He could have been German, British, Swedish, Finnish, American, it was poor behaviour from him.

Don’t defend poor behaviour Wogboy because he lives your side of the world. Where he lives, has nothing to do with it – die hard working class area? Who cares.

I’m talking about what he did on court, a number of times. That was all.


madmax Says:

Well Andy pulled it off.

Played like a beast in the last set; got all the passion and aggression back that he lost for a moment.

I wonder what Seppi said at the net, that made both of them smile from ear to ear.

Nice to see.


Wog Boy Says:

Madmax,
Wrong again, he already played against Federer and was doing the same and saying the same “sorry mate” thing, check the facts before you post.


Jock-KatH Says:

According to that obnoxious Andrew Castle, Boris Becker was tucked away in a corner at Andy’s match.

PS: Somebody asked who Andy would meet next – he is the BIG server who beat Jo Tsonga. —

PPS: Some slightly troublesome comments were made that he hit the ball twice to claim the set (re. Jo Tsonga) – don’t know the story…Anyone? If true – can’t imagine how it will be treated – Jo carefully avoided agreeing on his interview – but was clear he felt the question was valid.????

I quite liked the 2 commentators at Berdych’s match – they were at least entertaining – anybody know who they were?


skeezer Says:

“Federer – Tsonga Wimbledon 2011 … Federer’s bathroom break.”
Enlighten me. What does this perfectly legal act have to do with anything?
@fedexpress
Murray is not a cheat. Neither is Nole. If they break the rules, they should/will be fined or penalized, just like any other player. Haven’t seen it, from them yet.

Madmax,
What Groth did in that match is typical courtesy in tennis(apologizing for the toss). Wether anyone thinks it was gamesmenship or not is to each their own. I would like to believe he was struggling today with his toss at times, thats all. He is allowed to stop and grab it with his tossing hand if he feels its not right. Seen it many times in Tennis.
Fed handled it well.


Humble Rafa Says:

“Federer – Tsonga Wimbledon 2011 … Federer’s bathroom break.”

Just so you cat lovers understand that even God has to answer nature’s call.


Humble Rafa Says:

When you see a match of that nature, it’s so difficult to predict. Trainer comes on and Murray loses six games in a row. Trainer comes back on and Murray wins six games in a row

Makes sense to me. Speaking from experience.


brando Says:

@HR: lmfao, killed it @4.18!


Patson Says:

@skeezer

Just like the “perfectly legal” act of going to the bathroom break does not merit someone calling a cheat, similary the “perfectly legal” act of calling the trainer does not merit someone being called a cheat. So if you think that calling a “trainer” merits someone being called a cheat, then by implication, takinng a “bathroom break” merits someone being called a cheat. This was the point.

Now if you’re a Federer fan who has problem with deductive reasoning and identifying the connection in a trail of comments about a subject, I cannot help you with that.

With this, it’s your turn to enlighten me because I’ve tried to shed 120,000 lux of direct sunlight on you.


Giles Says:

Jock-KatH. Actually BB was not tucked away in a corner watching Andy’s match but was sitting in full view of the cameras in a front row seat. He wanted to be seen it seemed.


RZ Says:

@El_matador – thanks! And if Andy can’t win it here I hope that Fed does. :-)


kjb Says:

@madmax Groth played Fed at Us open last year and did it there as well. In every match, I’ve seen him play he has done this. Most of all players apologize for a bad ball toss, he just adds “mate”. I don’t really see an issue in this.


sienna Says:

why BB is watching Murray idee beyond me.
Federer will rip another as. .ole for poor Andy.

There will be blood.


Okiegal Says:

I don’t see an issue either. Pat Rafter did this too. I don’t think Roth made a miss toss on purpose so he could say “Sorry mate” to try to get Roger off his game. He did take a set off of Roger but I don’t believe “sorry mate” had anything to do with it….


skeezer Says:

“if you think that calling a “trainer” merits someone being called a cheat, ”
No I don’t. Since when did I say that? Whats your deal?


Patson Says:

@skeezer

Let me elaborate even more since you seem to be utterly confused, and I do not want you to remain confused.

I was responding to FedExpress who accused Nole and Murray of being a cheat. I responsded to “FedExpress” by telling him that Fed’s done the same thing as well. This implied that if he thinks Nole and Murray are cheats, Fed should be too. The other implication of my comment was that IF FedExpress “thinks” that Fed taking the bathroom break is perfectly fine while others calling the trainer isn’t, then there is a logical inconsistency on FedExpress’s part.

BUT THEN, you chimed in, asking me to ENLIGHTEN (frankly, there wasn’t any need for enlightenment since it was fairly obvious what I implied when I made that comment). In the previous post (@4:35 PM), I pointed at the logic inconsistency in “FedExpress”‘s post; however, in hindsight, I should’ve replaced ‘you’ with ‘FedExpress (in the post @4:35 PM) ‘ to make my point clear that whatever points I made, were related to FedExpress’s post. BUT It should’ve been obvious to you (and here I mean skeezer i.e., you) that I was expanding on my point directed to FEDEXPRESS to you since YOU (again by you, here I mean skeezer i.e., you) asked me to enlighten you (again you skeezer) about it.

What’s my deal ? Nothing. What’s your deal except for the fact that you seem to have trouble grasping the finer points (and who they are in reality directed to) of somebody’s comment.

Enlightened enough ?


skeezer Says:

No.
You pulled me into this with intent, not me.
Re: 3:44
Chillax.


Patson Says:

@skeezer

Nope ! Hate to tell you but that was just me doing something (which you do as well) and giving a citation to be academically correct.

I think we’re good.


Margot Says:

First set near perfect, second near perfect, third dross, fourth near perfect. A typical Andy match then!
A friend, yes I have one…who is a psychologist, says on court A is a classic extrovert, gets easily bored so has to create up to the wire situation in order to start putting in best performance.
As good as any to explain these so called “blips.”


Jock-KatH Says:

Bathroom breaks are often strategic – and sometimes medical breaks are too – however, in the latter case the player to specify the nature of their ailment.

Murray says he did not cope with Seppi’s medical time out because the delay caused his temperature to drop and his own niggling shoulder problem became more acute.

telegraph.co.uk/sport/tennis/andymurray/11718749


calmdownplease Says:

`who is a psychologist, says on court A is a classic extrovert, gets easily bored so has to create up to the wire situation in order to start putting in best performance…`

Interesting, but I don’t entirely buy it.
I wish he had as much control over it as your Friend suggests, but i doubt it
It just happens too often.
Still, the match was one sided and lacking tension prior to that and the final set was how he should be playing most times really
ie Kicking A*S!


calmdownplease Says:

I wonder if NOVAK watched the match last night?
I hope not, for if he did then oh dear the secret will be out!
Andy can be easily distracted….
;0)


madmax Says:

I appreciate the comments regarding groth and the sorry mate – but I am sticking by my guns. It’s not the sorry mate, it was the inordinate amount of times, in my view, that he was throwing the ball up, then catching it, starting again, apologising.

Wogboy. Don’t bring in culture here. Nothing to do with that, or where he was from, his nationality. Really. That is not the issue.

Wog Boy Says:
Madmax,
Wrong again, he already played against Federer and was doing the same and saying the same “sorry mate” thing, check the facts before you post.

July 4th, 2015 at 4:01 pm

This was first time he played Federer at wimbledon, right? Or did I get that wrong? Don’t tell me to check my facts. Okay?

You got a very strong streak in you when people disagree, because you live in Australia? OMG.

Groth, in my view was trying to put Fed off. Count the times wogboy he did this. Mistake? Doubt it.

Yes, Skeezer, fed did handle it well, he always does, but what could he have done? He wasn’t going to talk to the umpire about it, he is too classy for that.

I really believe that Groth was doing his best to put him off.

That’s my view.

Thanks for sharing yours wogboy but we will disagree on this point and nothing to do with his nationality. Please, don’t raise that card!


Wog Boy Says:

madmax,
This is what you said:

“This is the first time he has played one of the top four players in his career and for me, he was well underhand.”

Pay attention “in his career” not at Wimbledon, wrong again or not saying the truth on purpose. Check your facts before you post.
I wasn’t raising nationality issue but his upbringing, they are two different things, you are wrong again or you are playing “nationality” cards?


madmax Says:

Wogboy,

My bad, meant in his career at wimbledon – he hasn’t got this far, badly phrased by me, but I knew what I meant – you didn’t.

However, not to let this one go, I dont need a running commentary on Sam Groth’s background, die hard, etc., etc., has nothing to do with the point I am raising.

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