Wimbledon Men’s Final Open Thread: Novak Djokovic v Andy Murray

by Staff | July 7th, 2013, 8:01 am
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In the dream final Sunday at Wimbledon it’s British hope Andy Murray against world No. 1 Novak Djokovic. Murray, who lost to Roger Federer in an emotional final last year, gets another chance to end a 77-year British drought of men’s champions at the home event.

“On and off the court we have lots of respect for each other,” Djokovic said of Murray. “Now we are big rivals and it’s difficult…so we don’t get together and have dinners and parties, but we definitely always chat and remember the fun days we had as juniors.

“He’s a local hero, he has a big chance to win Wimbledon after a long time for this nation. People will be supporting him,” added Djokovic. “But it’s not the first time that I’ve been in a similar situation…I know what I need to do, I know the way I need to be focused, extra focused obviously because it’s final.”


ITF Notes:

NO. 1 NOVAK DJOKOVIC (SRB) v NO. 2 ANDY MURRAY (GBR)
Head-to-head: Djokovic leads 11-7

Djokovic and Murray have contested 3 of the last 4 Grand Slam finals (including this one).

It will be the 4th meeting between these two players in a Grand Slam final which puts them in joint-9th position on the all-time leaderboard for most match-ups in a Grand Slam final.

Murray and Djokovic are the closest Grand Slam finalists by age. Murray is just 7 days older than Djokovic. The previous closest Grand Slam finalists in terms of age were Guillermo Vilas and Jimmy Connors who met at the 1977 US Open when Vilas was 16 days older than Connors.

Murray defeated Djokovic to win his first Grand Slam title at the 2012 US Open, ending Djokovic’s run of eight successive 5-set victories. Murray won their only previous grasscourt encounter, defeating Djokovic in the semifinals at the 2012 Olympic Tennis Event on his way to winning the gold medal.

Top seed DJOKOVIC is bidding to win his 7th Grand Slam title and join John McEnroe and Mats Wilander in joint-8th place on the list for most Grand Slam singles titles in the Open Era.

If Djokovic wins his 7th Grand Slam title at 2013 Wimbledon he will be the 4th oldest player to win 7 titles at a major in the Open Era.

Djokovic is bidding to win his 2nd Wimbledon title and become the 11th male player to win multiple Wimbledon titles in the Open Era after Roger Federer (7 titles), Pete Sampras (7), Bjorn Borg (5), Boris Becker (3), McEnroe (3), Jimmy Connors (2), Stefan Edberg (2), Rod Laver (2), Rafael Nadal (2) and John Newcombe (2).

Djokovic is looking to become the 3rd different man to win multiple Wimbledon titles without having contested a grass court warm-up event after Borg (1976-80) and Federer (2007, 2009). The last time he contested a grass court warm-up event was 2010 Queen’s. In 2011, he became the last man to win the Wimbledon title without having contested a grass court warm-up event.

MURRAY is bidding to become the first British men’s singles winner at Wimbledon since Fred Perry won the last of his 3 singles titles here in 1936.

The last British player, man or woman, to win the Wimbledon singles title is Virginia Wade at 1977 Wimbledon.

If Murray wins his first Wimbledon title on his 8th appearance here, he will go 2nd on the list for the most attempts before winning the Wimbledon title.

Murray is bidding to become the first man to win the Wimbledon title after having won one of the pre-Wimbledon grass court warm up events since Rafael Nadal in 2008. Murray warmed up for Wimbledon by winning his 3rd title at Queen’s as top seed (d. Marin Cilic). It was his 27th career title and 4th on grass.

Murray is bidding to extend his Tour-level winning streak to 12-matches. Murray has managed 12 or more consecutive wins at Tour-level on 2 other occasions.

SATURDAY WIMBLEDON SCHEDULE
CENTRE COURT – SHOW COURT – 2.00 PM START
Novak Djokovic (SRB) [1] vs Andy Murray (GBR) [2]
Bruno Soares (BRA) / Lisa Raymond (USA) [1] vs Daniel Nestor (CAN) / Kristina Mladenovic (FRA) [8]

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296 Comments for Wimbledon Men’s Final Open Thread: Novak Djokovic v Andy Murray

jamie Says:

Murray will be the winner.


Daniel Says:

20 shot rally to start.
Murray 3 BP


Daniel Says:

Game Djoko. Saved 0-40 game.


Long Live The King Says:

What a start! I think the winner of the 1st set is winning this match. I am not sure Djokovic is as mentally strong as Federer, forget nadal. He will not come back from 1 set down to murray this time. If he goes 2 sets down. forget Djokovic winning wimbledon again.

This is the match which determines who is going to be the next Wimbledon king. Djokovic or Murray?

I hope it is muzza!


Daniel Says:

Wow,

Thay can’t play thos level all match can they?
More than half the points they are exchanging a lot of balls wi


Kimberly Says:

I think Murray is playing better to start.


Kimberly Says:

And just as I said that he missed a routine forehand


James Says:

Murray gets the break!


Tennis Fanatic Says:

This is going to be a 5 hr match for sure!!


metan Says:

Andy does great match. Survived long rally.


James Says:

Djokovic had saved 3 BPs. Can Murray do the same now?


Tennis Fanatic Says:

Djokovic is slowly finding his touch…Ominous signs for Murray!


TennisZod Says:

I predict a 6-2 first set win for No1e.


squirrel Says:

Djoko is back! Yup,it’s definitely going to be a 5-hour match,though it could only be a 4-setter


TennisZod Says:

Putting on the cap is helping my boy. Now dona take it off.

#luckycap


Debo Says:

The interesting question now is….where will Danny Morris go after this match ??


Tennis Vagabond Says:

I hate to be the killjoy, but these guys are the most boring match-up in tennis. Moonball city.
Unfortunate. I was very excited for the match, but its like the USO snoozer all over agan.
Hope they start going for shots soon. Both these guys are capable of so much more than this.


Tennis Fanatic Says:

Dont know why Murray is so fussy about his shoes…anybody??


Debo Says:

Nole is not a great player under the hot sun. Lets see what he brings up today.


Tennis Vagabond Says:

Some sweet rallies when Nole comes forward. That first point at 3-3 was brilliant.


Danny Morris Says:

LLTK:

I know where you are coming from, but Nole is on par with Roger/Nadal regarding mental strength. We are talking a difference of 1% at best between the 3.

I feel murray’s only chance is to win both the 1st and 2nd sets, like he did in USO, but I do not see that happening.

What is working against Nole is that the british media and press have successfully painted him as a monster/villain with the “shoes” episode.

Looks like the british just realised that being stuck-up will never help them on the sportsfield.

No matter, nole has always played with the world against him. He atleast has the aussies supporting him. No one likes british misery like the aussies. LOL!

Nole seems to have started like he did against delpotro, playing sub-par tennis. He will discover the magic like he has been doing for last 2 years.


skeezer Says:

Murray has come to play. Murray wants to make it physical. Nole looks gassed right now. Delpo match anyone?


Sidney Says:

Andy up a break, 4-3.


Sidney Says:

Nole is looking tired and weary, overhitting some balls.


James Says:

Playing Jerzy prior to this match is helping Andy deal with Djokovic’s serves. If he could return Jerzy’s moreful 1st serve, he sure can return Novak’s serve. Andy the better player so far. But also looking nervous.


skeezer Says:

By far Murrays biggest weakness is stiill his second serve…..


Sidney Says:

And Andy starts his next service game with 2 double faults!


van orten Says:

2 doublefaults??? oh my god murray


Debo Says:

Will it be a straight sets victory for Murray ?


TennisZod Says:

I predict a 6-4 first set win for No1e.


Sidney Says:

Nole isn’t right. He’s definitely not fully recovered from the delpotro match.


Tennis Vagabond Says:

Man, can’t believe Nole is this tired in first set. Very worrisome.


Long Live The King Says:

This is the match right here! Murray needs to take hold of the match right now.

Come on muzza!


Debo Says:

It seems some Nole fans (including the fake ones) are now getting ready for bringing up the excuses.


Tennis Fanatic Says:

@Skeezer Djoko might look tired, but he can regroup in no time and will be playing his A level game any moment…I think thats been the big difference between Djoko and other top players since 2011..


metan Says:

Nole is tired.

Come on Andy. Take this chance


TennisZod Says:

Fellow No1e fans, don’t worry. Nole really isn’t tired yet. But wish Murray bought it. That would have helped.


TennisZod Says:

I predict a 7-5 first set win for No1e.


metan Says:

Nole made double faults.
Go Andy!!


courbon Says:

@ Debo-I’m not sure about which Nole fans you are talking about?Myself, Wog Boy, Jane, Mat 4, Bada Bing?We all aknowledge that is pretty much 50:50 today. No excusses.Maybe you are talking about Fed fans that support Novak?Thats different…


TennisZod Says:

No1e slips…damn you British authorities for banning his original Wimbledon shoes.


Sidney Says:

Nole slipped, fell, and might have hurt his left wrist! He’s hit the deck at least 2 times!


Sidney Says:

Andy will serve for the first set.


James Says:

“We all aknowledge that is pretty much 50:50 today. No excusses.Maybe you are talking about Fed fans that support Novak?Thats different…”

My thoughts exactly.


courbon Says:

@ Tennis vagabond-I agree about Novak-Murray match up.Can be boring.I think Novak/Federer produced best matches, Novak/Delpo ( remember WTF match?) and sonme Novak/Rafa matches can be good.
Novak and Murray play good defense so both are weary to go forward…


Danny Morris Says:

Novak has come out flat, as anyone would expect. but he did not take advantage of murray’s choking as one would expect to.

Similar thing happened in AO2012 and if nole can take care of claydal, lady-forehand should not be a problem. that is the true, no? LOL!

I am happy for the British fans though, they finally went to a proctologist and got whatever that was stuck up their behind removed. The crowd today is more french/aussie than british. maybe the french are throwing them a favor for Bartoli winning yesterday.

Are the rafa-murray-trolls brando/margot/da/volley still afraid to say Andy WILL win this match? LOL! atleast brando/giles/hr are posting under the zod name and taking digs at nole.


Sidney Says:

Set point for Murray


Pitchaboy Says:

Murray putting a beating on Novak.


James Says:

Novak will have to up his game. Murray is the better player so far.


the DA Says:

“they finally went to a proctologist and got whatever that was stuck up their behind removed”

They certainly did and they found it was a morris dancer.


Daniel Says:

Djoko is not having a great serving day and Murray is anticipating his T serve as well.
This seems to be a long, long match.


metan Says:

6-4 for Andy. Hold up your serve Andy.


Sidney Says:

Andy wins first set!

I think the big difference was the serve. Andy’s serves, save for the 2 straight double faults, have been on. More aces and unreturnable serves.

Good sign for Andy and all of the UK.


Debo Says:

Nole does not have an answer to the LADY forehand !!


Sidney Says:

The way this match is going…nahhh.

Go Nole!


Kimberly Says:

Murray moving really well. Djokovic not at his best but expect him to increase his level. Still holding my bet of Murray in 5.


Danny Morris Says:

“I think Novak/Federer produced best matches, Novak/Delpo ( remember WTF match?) and sonme Novak/Rafa matches can be good.”

Good on you courbon, now stop taking digs at skeezer and other federer fans. They have supported nole much more than jane and yourself who run away when nole is down in a match or plays bad in a tournament.

I see the rafa fans starting to show their hatred for nole more and more. I always like when people are honest and not hiding behind masks.

As I said, today we will know the true nole fans and true murray fans.

DA/Margot/Volley, please show us you care for murray more than rafa trolls like zod/giles/mem.

Come on Nole! discover the magic you displayed in 2011 wimbledon final.


Kimberly Says:

just so you all know, I almost never root for Murray, I am only doing it because he is playing Djokovic, who we all know how I feel. It is like Skeezer rooting for Rafa against Berdych. Murray has grown on me some but he still has his looks and his mother against him for me to overcome. But I am really a one man woman, don’t really have second favs.


James Says:

Murray has dealt with Jerzy’s more menacing serves, and that experience is helping him deal with Novak’s serves here.


Danny Morris Says:

@DA:

I am not the one crawling up behind rafa fans begging for them to support murray like you and margot do on various tennis forums. you guys gotta stop it. rafa already has enough people criticizing for his disgusting hygienic etiquette in public!


Sidney Says:

@James
Nole’s serves are missing in action. You must be watching a different match.


Danny Morris Says:

Kimberly:

Please dont get defensive like Alison and James. Everyone knows you are a true rafa fan and you really know your tennis. You, along with Ben got my respect because you actually get tennis.

Let us hope for a fedal at USO final. 1 last classic before we close that chapter for good. Deal? :)


James Says:

@Sidney, I’m watching the Andy-Novak Wimbledon final. You?


courbon Says:

@ Danny Morris:I did not meant Skeezer-I like the guy.Also most FRed fans are alrigfht.
I was thinking about you and couple of others.
I appreciate your support for Novak but sometimes it looks like is more to wind up Rafa fans ,then actually supporting Novak./ All provocative remarks regarding Novak -Rafa theme, usually come from Fed fans.I appreciate your honesty, very often you are right but you can come across arrogant and too cocky…but hey-its a tennis blog so we can say whatever we like!


Danny Morris Says:

too many errors from nole. I am positive he will clean them up, like he did in the AO and then he will do what we all want to see- the flogging of lady forehand and his one fan DA/Margot.

The match is on nole’s racquet. If he plays even at 80% like he did yesterday, he will win this in 4. He won’t even need a 5th set with lady-forehand.


skeezer Says:

Debo,

No fake fan nor excuses here. Just analyzing a good match. One could say the reason Nole “looked” tired is Murray was making him so. Being the special story of Murray, his country and Wimby, he wouldn’t be a bad thing if he won.


Tennis Vagabond Says:

Crazy passive tennis for a Wimbledon finals. Any winners Andy hits today are purely by accident.
I’m not anti-Andy, but he is earning the Mr. Lady Forehand moniker today.
He will win by putting Novak to sleep.


Pitchaboy Says:

If Murray takes second set, he wins today. We are watching a subpar final. Both guys eminently beatable and the difference so far is Murray’s first serve.


TennisZod Says:

I predict a 6-1 second set win for No1e.


Pitchaboy Says:

2012 Fed would have trounced these grass court impostors.fed 2006 would have trounced them in his sleep.


Sidney Says:

Andy so far has been holding serve a lot easier than Nole.

Hoping for a quick turn-around in the next few games.

Go Nole!


TennisZod Says:

Bring it on, Murray. Nole can defend all your shots all day.


Sidney Says:

These guys are killing themselves!

Go Nole!


Polo Says:

Djokovic is beginning to play more steadily. It’s going to be more difficult for Murray.


skeezer Says:

Wow, reverse? Nole wore down Murray that game for the break.


Sidney Says:

Nole breaks!


TennisZod Says:

6-1 for No1e this set.


Sidney Says:

Nole falls and slips again!


Danny Morris Says:

LOL! you have to blame lady forehand for trying his best to choke all the goodies the british and wimbledon have arranged for him.

they got fed to change his shoes, they did the same to nole. they ensured murray doesn’t play any one in top 10 and they even harassed the young polish future of tennis – janowicz!

Please chokeray, win this and prevent your nation from making it too obvious. It is plain embarrassing!


skeezer Says:

TV,

Don’t get your “passive” comment. These 2 are baseline grinders and back court tactitions for the most part, so it is expected. There is no power contrast however, so I get that.


metan Says:

Come on Andy !!!


TennisZod Says:

Danny boy, I challenged you for a tennis quiz and match but got no reply. You chickened out. Stop pretending to be a No1e fan. You are not. You are making us real No1e fans look bad.


metan Says:

Nole did his killing volley. !!


courbon Says:

@ Danny Morris: Ok, I’m trying to be polite and balanced but you are so full of yourself that it does not work.So let me talk like you talk:
STRAIGHT, ARROGANT AND RUDE
Youi are constantly mentioning -‘be a man’.I don’t need to prove that on the blog but you obviously do.
If I don’t like arrogant and cocky why I support Novak/Sampras/ Federer? thery are confident-not arrogant and cocky.There is difference my friend.You obviously arer arrogant, cocky and I guess full of confidence.You obviously rate CONFIDENCE higher then decent and polite -I don’t.
I’m newbie here?What are you some JEDI BLOG MASTER?Good for you-I have a life so not much time ( even this writing is wasting my time)
I guess this is clear enough for you-now let me go back to the match…


James Says:

Another 5 setter?


James Says:

lol @TennisZod


Debo Says:

Wimbledon is the only place where Nole is yet to get booed. He is trying his best today to complete the booh GS here.


James Says:

“Wimbledon is the only place where Nole is yet to get booed. He is trying his best today to complete the booh GS here.”

@Debo, seriously?


TennisZod Says:

This is NOT right! Why did they BAN Nole’s shoes? No1e will still beat Andy despite the shoe disadvantage. Let that be a lesson for Wimbledon authorities.


TennisZod Says:

I predict a 6-2 win for No1e this set.


James Says:

The “lady forehand” strikes! Novak on the ground.


Sidney Says:

Andy breaks!


the DA Says:

^ hehe


skeezer Says:

One thing is for sure, Fed would be coming to the net and being agressive a lot more on grass with these 2. But……… he didn’t make it, he got beat and these 2 are left standing for a reason.


Sidney Says:

Nole hit the deck rather hard going after a delptro-like forehand shot from Andy.


metan Says:

Double faults again by Nole. Andy’s benefits.


James Says:

@skeezer, Fed has the game and confidence to beat either of these players on grass. Had he made it to the final and played one of them, I’d back him to win in sets.


James Says:

*4 sets


Sidney Says:

Andy is playing unbelievable tennis! Retrieving a lot of tough balls.


James Says:

Novak standing far behind the baseline like Rafa lol


the DA Says:

Clutch serving


skeezer Says:

I am beginning to agree with TV, there are parts of this match where the play is all about keeping the ball in play. If either one of these 2 starting playing more aggresive, we’d see way more exciting tennis.


squirrel Says:

I agree Skeezer. I find it boring but most importantly, I gotta say I’m worried about these players. I mean, imagine what this match would do to their body..


James Says:

Some of you were saying Murray has a weak forehand. I don’t see Novak’s forehand any stronger.


TennisZod Says:

Bad crowd. Why they boo No1e? That’s wrong. Be fair, British crowd.


metan Says:

Nole is a little bit frustrating now. 15-40 for Andy.


Andrea Says:

Novak looking a bit tired.


the DA Says:

Andy to serve for a 2 set lead.

#nerves


the DA Says:

LOL…even Lendl stood up after that break.


metan Says:

Yes The DA!!! Cool game so far.


Long Live The King Says:

This is the moment of truth. Last time, in a similar situation Murray folded his cards.

I just hope he goes all out and wins this set. If not winning, he should push it to a tie-breaker and send a message to Djokovic.

In any case, this clearly shows how tough Federer’s job was in 2012. or rafa, when he beat murray it wimbledon those 3 years. The thing is, they made it look so easy that people think beating murray in wimbledon is so easy.

It most definitely is not. Sampras beat henman 4 or 5 times and I am sure even he would say it was not easy. You are 1 against the whole nation [except Roger, who actually got comparable support to Murray last year] If sampras found dealing with henman tough, inspite of henman being such an inferior player, can you imagine playing a wonderful talent like murray? Remember many people think Murray is the most gifted player after Federer to play on grass.

Andy’s chances are looking good. He might even make it in straights.

I do agree the match is not of high-quality, but as every one knows, these two have very similar styles. Same with rafa-djokovic, except rafa brings in the lefty contrast.

The best rivalry is, without a doubt, Fedal. followed by federer-djokovic and a very close 3rd, rafa-djokovic.

Andy gets the break! Good going Andy!


courbon Says:

I’ afraid Novak is loosing this match…


Daniel Says:

Djoko gettomg annoyed by too many things.
Murray’s serve is excelent today, consistant trhough out the match and saved hima. Few times as Novak is winnig way more secnd serves.
Oddly Djoko’s serve is not on today, itdoesn’t have the same pop as other matches.
Never thought Murray would be 2-0 versus Djoko.
US Open Djoko was able too push to a fifth, let’s see if Djoko can find another gear because Murray is more solid.


Kimberly Says:

Wow, great Britain must be holding their breath!


metan Says:

Ace number nine from Andy. Woow!! Two sets winning!!!


Pitchaboy Says:

Is Claydal being replaced by Hardvak? Except the slow hard court of AO, this guy looks pedestrian. And someone here claimed he is the best in the last 30 years.


the DA Says:

One set away from history.

#earlydays


Danny Morris Says:

Brando/Giles/HR/RFF/zod:

I will take the challenge if you take your mask out and use your Brando id and ask me.


the DA Says:

Interesting stat: No player has come from two sets down to win a Wimbledon final since 1927.

However, Nole is the guy who changes those kind of stats.


Danny Morris Says:

3 sets away from the biggest choke of all time.

#comingup
#pleaseDonotLeaveYourSeats


Pitchaboy Says:

Andy is not even close to Fed on grass. But after Sampras and Fed eras, there is a void on grass. Andy would have been wiped out by Edberg, Becker, Mac and I can name a few more.


Danny Morris Says:

LOL! finally the lady forehand chickens are coming out. but they still want to *ank nole. Has he got the wood on lady-forehand or what?


metan Says:

Actually Nole didn’t play his A game. He is tired. Lots of errors.


James Says:

So someone was saying Novak had 95% chance to win this in straight sets and Andy had just 0.001% of winning. Danny Morris, I’m talking about you. For someone with a “superior” tennis knowledge, your predictions suck.


skeezer Says:

brit commentators saying Murray is 1 set away from being loved forever. can see why Murray could feel pressure from llhis country


the DA Says:

Break!


Pitchaboy Says:

Murray killing Choke-o-Vich.


Daniel Says:

Unbelievable that Murray won this point after catching a impossible ball.
I think this will broke Djoko’s spirit. Murray is too solid today. Never seen him play a more compose match.


metan Says:

James @ 11.32 am LOL!!


Kimmi Says:

can Murray ?!?


Nirmal Kumar Says:

Wonderful match so far by Murray. He is mixing both aggression and passive tennis in a nice manner. He can never be a aggressive player, but he does have the skill to mix aggression at the right moment.

Let’s see if he can hold on for one more set.


James Says:

So now if Novak loses this match, which looks like he will, he will be considered 4th best player on grass of this generation, behind Roger Federer (7 Wimby), Rafael Nadal (2 Wimby, 3 finals) and Andy Murray (1 Wimby, Olympic gold, 1 final).


Daniel Says:

Murray is getting everything back and Djoko going for the lines making mistakes.


metan Says:

Go Andy. This is your moment. Ultima Notte!


Daniel Says:

Yes James,

1 match and changes everything. That’s why I said Djoko winning here could path his way to goory. But with this Maurray win, ut makes thinks a lot more interesting for the remaining of the year.
And Murray will prove himself as superior grass player


Pitchaboy Says:

Murray turning out to be a poor mans Federer. If he wins today he is the best on grass and hard fast courts.


TennisZod Says:

This is sad. The better player is losing………

They shouldn’t have banned No1e’ s pimpled shoes:( he was moving so much better with those.


Pitchaboy Says:

In this generation the top five players on grass are all called Federer as it was Sampras in the last generation. Nadal could be sixth, although Murray is a more natural grass player, IMO.


courbon Says:

I’m not sure what is more annoying: Novaks play or Zods comments….


Daniel Says:

Murray’s first serve is mkiing the real difference today. He is winnign a lot of free points every game.
This game alone Djoko won 3 points in 3 second serves and other 2 points were service winners.


courbon Says:

@ Daniel: One of the expert ( I think Becker ) said today-who will better serve-will win.So damn right…


the DA Says:

Break back on a flubbed volley


TennisZod Says:

Nole is BACK! Take that, Andy and Wimbledon authorities!


Polo Says:

Djokovic is not going to give this up that easily. He looks like he knows he can turn this around.


Danny Morris Says:

LOL! choke job is on.

Come on Nole. stop toying with these wimps and show the true nole who thrashed haas and berdych!


James Says:

Pitchaboy Says:

“In this generation the top five players on grass are all called Federer as it was Sampras in the last generation. Nadal could
be sixth, although Murray is a more natural grass player, IMO.”

lol that would make Djokovic the 8th best on grass of this generation. If he loses this match.
Agree, Andy is a more natural on grass than Rafa.


Polo Says:

Oh, oh! I can feel a monumental English heartbreak coming.


James Says:

I wouldn’t be surprised if Andy breaks back.


Polo Says:

I would be. This set looks like it belongs to Djokovic.


courbon Says:

Come on Novak!


Danny Morris Says:

James, atleast I made a prediction. I did not wait for you till Sean made his pick and then pick the opposite.

I don’t blame you. Sean and I, we have a brain and we can think. we don’t go around begging for simple things like how many hardcourt titles novak won. You know who that tennis ignoramus and beggar was. Don’t you, James?

Look, I’ve been nice to you and Alison and Kimberly. If you try and behave like the scum/low-life giles/da/margot/volley/zod/hr/rff – trust me, I know how to put you in place.

So, it is your call. If you want to fight me, bring the stats and we will talk. I am positive novak will overtake claydal’s records – overall.

It is a fact that novak is the 2nd best player outside clay. That is 70% of the season. Even if you want to separate grass, fine. on 60% of the surfaces novak has a superior record to claydal and in the future, you can be sure it won’t be novak at 4th in grass. Nole will never lose in 2nd round to rosol or 1st round to darcis when he is in his prime. You know who did. Nole never struggles in 1st week of wimbledon. Yes he lost to safin in 2008, but when safin is on he can make the best of the lot look no good. That year, if safin played nadal in 3rd round, he would have kicked rafa’s behind so baddd!


squirrel Says:

are you kidding Nole???


the DA Says:

Andy comes up with some aggressive play to get the break back.

#topsyturvy


Daniel Says:

Djoko is inconsistant today. Second time he has a lead in a set and got broken again. At least he knows he broke Murray last two times in a row, so he can do it again.
This set looks like will end dramatically


James Says:

Murray breaks back. Novak’s service game isn’t strong in this match. So far 2013 Murray is better than 2011 Djokovic.


Danny Morris Says:

LOL! claydal is 6th on grass? what about indoors? he sucks on indoors even worse than lady forehand on clay. claydal must rank 328573257th indoors.


squirrel Says:

“2013 Murray is better than 2011 Djokovic.”

haha,this makes me laugh,lolol


Thomas Says:

If Novak wants to somehow pull this out, his serve needs to improve A LOT. That has been the difference between the 2 men this match IMO. They have been even in everything else aside from the serve.


Daniel Says:

Djokovic should wromg foot Murray more. This point it was clear Djoko would go cross court and Murray start running earlier


the DA Says:

OMG! Andy is a beast. He’ll serve for the championship.


metan Says:

5-4 Andy please close the match.


James Says:

@DM,

You don’t get it, do you? You know why I asked for Novak’s titles outside of the HCs? Remember you were going on about Nadal not having a lot of titles outside clay like you always do. This was my way of telling you even Novak doesn’t have too many titles outside the HCs which is his best surface. And btw you gave a wrong answer and Ben Pronin corrected you. Just saying.


Daniel Says:

This is it. Feeling excited. Wis I was there…


James Says:

3 championship points for Murray. Straight sets win it is!


tennisfansince76 Says:

Wow


Daniel Says:

Murray couldn’t find a first serve in those 3 MP


tennisfansince76 Says:

3 mps gone


Daniel Says:

Finally a first serve on BP


James Says:

World no.1 fighting back.


Daniel Says:

Murray hitting deep


Fedster Says:

World No 1 is struggling against such a choker….LOL


tennisfansince76 Says:

Can Murray close?


Daniel Says:

Drama, drama, drama


van orten Says:

wow this is tense…djoker is like a cat!!! he and nadal refuse to lose always!!!!!


van orten Says:

now he takes it…


Daniel Says:

Can’t believe Djoko hold his arm in that smash itting right a
Where Murray was


Pitchaboy Says:

Lessons learned:
1. Fans are good. Fanatics are not. The Novak fanatic claiming Novak is a greater Fed version and the best in last thirty years has to feel dumb.
2. These two guys are not a patch on Fed or Sampras on grass.
3. The best all court player of this or any generation: RF
4. That number 17 is going to be tough for anyone to beat.
5. Best tennis player today: Andy. Even if u hate him, give him that.


Daniel Says:

UHUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU


Kimmi Says:

YEEEEEEES!!! Congrats murray!


James Says:

Well done Andy!!!!!!!

Congratulations Andy and fans! Andy makes History today! :-)

Commiserations Nole fans.


tennisfansince76 Says:

wow Murray eked out the win


the DA Says:

Fantastic Andy!! Now a Wimbledon champ.

#tears


Alex Says:

OMGGG!!!!

Well done Murray!

Commiserations to Novak fans.


Fedster Says:

Thanks to Murray….we are saved from the shirt tearing guerilla style celebrations.


metan Says:

Yay. Congratulations Andy Murray and all his fans Margot etc.

Commissary to Nole and all his fans Wog Boy. Jane. Mat4. Still have more slams. Don’t worry.


youyong Says:

Congrats Andy!!! In straight sets!


van orten Says:

his second slam…now i guess he will be tough to beat in ny


Daniel Says:

Wow Murray. Skipping RG payed of.
What is surprising is the score, never could believe Novak cold lose 3-0 in Wm ledon after how he was playing and how he handle DelPo attack.
This two are 2-2 in Slam finals now


Pitchaboy Says:

I don’t believe in extolling a players virtue by putting down another. But fans of Rafa or Novak or Andy must surely realize today the monstrosity of Federer. Novak had one 2011, that guy had three of those. Show the man some respect before claiming how somebody is greater than him. Enjoy the champions they all are and give each their due.


tennisfansince76 Says:

Congratulations Andy and Novak and their fans. Tough loss for Novak. I thought if Novak could have closed out 1 set things really would have become interesting but it didn’t happen.


tennisfansince76 Says:

Congratulations Andy and Novak and their fans. Tough loss for Novak. I thought if Novak could have closed out 1 set things really would have become interesting but it didn’t happen.


Rick Says:

Told you fools that, Murray wins Wimbledon! And Djokovic is crap on grass! haha


Viz Says:

OMG!!!! Fantastic Andy! commiserations to Nole’s fans. RIP Fred Perry. Nice to see Nole’s Mum and Dad going over to hug Judy. Classy.


Brando Says:

I am speechless with joy! :-)


Pitchaboy Says:

Novak needs another USO or two or could well end up the slow hard version of Nadal. Unlikely he wins Wimbledon.


van orten Says:

say whatever you wanna say but this is history great great great to watch..


TennisZod Says:

I’m shattered! Please understand if I don’t post for next few days :(

No1e played well as always but Andy had more luck today. Congrats Murray fans! Maybe he deserved it. US Open for No1e.


Pitchaboy Says:

Congrats to all Andy fans and Brits out here.


Fedster Says:

Will Murray’s mom come out and say that the King is dead ??
No…they have classs.


metan Says:

Nole is a guy with big heart. I’d love his speech. Warm!!!


Pitchaboy Says:

Andy will be favorite for USO. He plays the best on fast surfaces after Fed and he has beaten Novak there.


tennisfansince76 Says:

Interesting three slams in the books. 3 different champs same as last year. USO will be interesting


metan Says:

Cingrats to all the British here too. Alison, Brando, Giles etc. Soooo Happy!!


Rick Says:

Djokovic won’t be number one this year! Last year, he was lucky to got his number one back from Federer!


Margot Says:

OMG still shaking and sobbing for all the right reasons. The happiest day of my tennis life. Comms to Wog Boy and the other good nole fans and excuse me for my forthcoming rudeness but:
Go suck it up Danny Morris.


Fedster Says:

“Novak needs another USO or two or could well end up the slow hard version of Nadal.”

Perfectly true. Novak is not a great fast court player at all. He is just hanging on to his slow hard stuff.


Tootie Says:

I think she is the problem (NOVAK JUST BEAT ANDY). His parents don’t approve of her. His life will go much better when he is married to the right one.


Brando Says:

Huge props to team Djokovic: congratulating Judy and the team- really classy! I am off to celebrate- just cannot believe I am still standing after that nervous affair!:-)


the DA Says:

I almost forgot my manners, commiserations to Jane and Wog Boy and the other (genuine) Nole fans.


tennisfansince76 Says:

@Rick you can ´t be garbage on grass and be in the Wimbledon final.


Tennis Fan Says:

Djokovic is way over-rated. He is at the top because Federer is 32 and Nadal’s knee tendon’s are failing. He’s way too pompous for my blood anyway. Glad to see Murray (who isn’t a Brit) take the trophy, but I’m hoping for some new blood too arise to save the Men’s game.


Fedster Says:

I am very delighted to see the chest thumping, shirt tearing, yelling guerilla put in his place.


Brando Says:

PS: Where is that runt Danny Morris? Busy hiding In shame I guess? Anyhow: lady Forehand says hi with the Wimby title!


James Says:

@Margot, I’d picked Murray to win which not many did;) very happy for you, Alison and all Brits on this forum. And today’s result proves that the guy who gave Murray 0.001% of winning against Novak, doesn’t know much.


Polo Says:

Great win! Congratulations to Andy Murray, his team and his fans.


steve-o Says:

Congratulations to Murray and all his happy fans (jane, colin, DA, Margot, and all the others that I’ve missed).


Pitchaboy Says:

If Novak is considered the greatest then he is overrated. This is why I can’t stand guys like McEnroe making such pronouncements. But, on the other hand, a guy winning six slams is surely one of the greats. Perhaps among the top two or three ever on slow hard courts.


Colin Says:

Straight sets!
Straight bloody sets!!
Boy, some folk have to eat crow, and I do hope it tastes horrible.

Yesterday, apparently an American journalist asked Andy what a returned-from-the-dead Fred Perry might say to him, and Andy replied: “He’d probably say ‘Why aren’t you wearing my kit?'”

Watch Scottish First Minister Alex Salmond try to climb on the bandwagon now!


Fedster Says:

“Djokovic is way over-rated. He is at the top because Federer is 32 and Nadal’s knee tendon’s are failing.”

Very true… he could not even beat the lady forehand. Andy Murray has now thumped Nole two time in GS finals.

Lets see how many more GS finals this world no.1 is going to lose….LOL.


Polo Says:

I feel bad for Danny Morris. All those insults he hurled against Murray are going to come back at him. I guess Danny Morris is not as smart as he claims he is. He was extremely off the mark. DM just lost his credibility.


James Says:

So now Rafa Nadal is the only player of the big four not to lose a grand slam final in straight sets. Interesting.


Krishna Says:

jamie:

Who will win the US Open?

Thanks.


bojana Says:

Congratulation to Andy Murray,,,
Nole,as always proud of You


Danny Morris Says:

LOL! chokeray survives!

Guess who wan a couple of grand on chokeray winning in 3? I will go suck it up in the caribbean with my english girl-friend who knows her history and thinks lady forehand is just a wanna-be.

Wimbledon still waits for a true-blue English champ.

commiserations to genuine murray fans like jane, brando/giles/zod/hr/rff/james.

i hope murray trolls da/margot will stick around. nole still has 6 slams to lady forehands puny 2. oh ok, you guys don’t know how to count? I get it.


Legend Says:

Q: Who is the best player in 2013 as per ATP ?
A: One left handed fisherman from mallorca


Danny Morris Says:

Yeah James, but isn’t he the only won in the top 4 to win only 1 title outside clay in 33 months?

I want to check how many titles ferrer/berdych/delptro/tsonga won outside clay in last 33 months.

James: follow brando’s lead and get a new moniker and become a murray fan. claydal’ ship has sunk!

Nole has buried claydal. He will do the same to chokeray if he does win 1 or 2 more slams!


van orten Says:

he is not overrated he just wins a lot of matches he should lose…that is all…call it luck or mental toughness but he is a great player !! but i will never forget us open 2011 ever in my life..but still he deserves to be number 1 !


Rick Says:

He got beaten by Murray very easily on grass at the Olympics and Wimbledon! And was beaten by Berdych, JMDP and Fed easily on grass! So how good is he on grass?


Legend Says:

Djokovic’s (FAKE) fans were dreaming that he will catch up with Rafa’s slam count….but I guess Murray will catch up with Djokovic sooner.


van orten Says:

he just beat del potro and berdych on grasss..so


Danny Morris Says:

One more thing:

You should know this. Federer/Nole or their fans never take a break faking injuries or excuses.

lady forehand and claydal fans, talk to me when your horses can get the no.1 from Nole.

Nole = No.1 player on the planet and the GOAT of mental strength in tennis.

#7-0 and 8-4 against claydal.


James Says:

“but i will never forget us open 2011 ever in my life”

@van orten, what about that? Novak won that against Rafa.


Nirmal Kumar Says:

Fantastic match by Andy. He was better player today than Novak. He was aggressive at the right moments and went for the shots. He had right serving attitude.

It’s nice when you play one of your best tennis on the championship match.

Novak did not play his best tennis today. Maybe match against Del Po took too much out of him, we don’t know. But definitely Murray deserves the title the way he played the finals.


Legend Says:

Rick,
Djokovic is fifth or sixth best grass court player of this era behind Federer, Rafa, Murray, Hewitt and possibly Roddick.


James Says:

“Djokovic’s (FAKE) fans were dreaming that he will catch up with Rafa’s slam count….but I guess Murray will catch up with Djokovic sooner.”

@Legend, 4 is easier to get than 6.


Pitchaboy Says:

Rafa has another FO or max two
Fed has to get lucky to get another.
Novak is likely to end in 9 to 11 range.
Andy will likely get 5 or 6

Guys to watch at USO: Andy, JMDP(if knee holds up), Novak in that order.


James Says:

“Nole = No.1 player on the planet and the GOAT of mental strength in tennis.”

Yeah, we saw that today.


Rick Says:

Nole is back as the player he was, the bridemaid for the champs!


Legend Says:

Going forward Rafa will win more at FO than Nole at AO.


Pitchaboy Says:

Two of the four slams are currently in Andy’s shelf. He is the current best player and Novak knows it. He had his posterior handed to him today. No GOAT of anything loses in this fashion in Wimbledon in his presumed peak.


Legend Says:

“Nole is back as the player he was, the bridemaid for the champs!”

And he is very good and graceful while playing that role. The animal in him doesnt pop out when he is losing.


courbon Says:

Before I go and lick my wounds , let me congratulate to all Murray fans-DA, Colin, Margot and all British-Brando, Tennis Hippy Chic.Tough loss but I’m happy for Andy-genuinely happy.


Legend Says:

Apart from that lucky run in 2011 Djokovic has not done anything a great player would do.


Long Live The King Says:

Well done Andy! You have made the 1 opportunity you got count. This was the time to strike and man did you strike it good!

I hope Andy wins a few more wimbledons and I would say he might win anywhere around 5-8 slams. From here on, it is gravy for Andy. He has served the purpose of his life. 10years back the 2003 wimbledon win freed the shackles of a young-man burdened by unfair expectations from the sports media.

Murray had much tougher obstacles and challenges but he has finally broken free. This is the pinnacle of our sport. Wimbledon and Andy is the King of the one-tournament that defines tennis.

I was watching the match with my wife who has been a whole-hearted Andy supporter and she is over the moon.

Andy Murray 2013 Wimbledon Champion


thark Says:

@Danny Morris

Not sure if you noticed, but while you were busy demonstrating your complete lack of class, Andy Murray won Wimbledon.

Don’t worry I’m sure there will be highlights…


Sidney Says:

Congrats to Andy! Deserving champion!


Legend Says:

Courbon,
True and graceful Nole fans like you and Jane are very rare….


Legend Says:

Where is that big mouthed serbian aussie boy ???
LOL


Mg Mg Says:

Congrats Andy !!! CNN just announced Wimbledon final news showing a Murray/JJ seminal match :)


Rick Says:

Nole choked in the second set! Haha


Tennisfan Says:

As I said before Nole is the most one dimensional of the big four. The world number one losing in straight sets in a grand slam final is a disgrace. Nole can only win on hard courts


mem Says:

Danny,

shut up and just congratulate andy for playing excellent tennis. he has been fighting for years with the weight of a nation on his shoulders and im happy everything lined up for him to win, especially since rafa was ousted early. he deserves to enjoy the fruits of his labor. although rafa is always my first choice, how can you not be thrilled to death for andy.
you should know by now this garbage fans post on blogs doesn’t mean squat. matches are not played on blogs, they are played on the court. if you can’t say anything good, don’t say anything at all.

again, congratulations to andy, well done!


Kimberly Says:

this puts tennis in an interesting place, djokovic murray and nadal each won a slam. If any of them wins the US Open, that’s who had the best year regardless of rankings. However, we have Federer who has won the US Open 6 times I think, and Del Potro in the mix. Would love a Fedal final at the USO as Danny Morris said earlier, for one last hurrah on an era that is closing. If all the slams are split at one a piece, then we will look to masters and WOrld Tour final to see who has the best year.

Also note the women all have different winners too with my girl getting none! So its up to SHarapova to win the USO in order to remain in the conversation of the top players of the year.


Paradox Says:

Congrats Murray for the win.HA HA danny Jokeris must be swallowing his tears lying on his hated clay.


Pitchaboy Says:

Federer may luck out and make USO final. But, Rafa won’t. More likely, both out by QF. The next few weeks will give us some clarity on the fast hard courts.


Tennisfan Says:

Great play from Andy though. Hs movement was unbelievably good. Has anyone ever moved better on grass?


Pitchaboy Says:

Plenty of people have moved better on grass. Fed, Sampras, Edberg, Borg to name a few. Let us appreciate but not get carried away. For the most part it was a subpar final.


James Says:

“As I said before Nole is the most one dimensional of the big four. The world number one losing in straight sets in a grand slam final is a disgrace. Nole can only win on hard courts”

Have to disagree here. I’m yet to see Andy make a RG final. And to be fair, this wasn’t as bad as 2008 F0 final. But yeah, I don’t see Novak winning 12 slams, let alone surpass Rafa’s slam count.


Pitchaboy Says:

2008 was a massacre. However, it was the clay GOAT at his peak. Rafa would have dismissed Borg in straight sets at FO that year.


Legend Says:

“But yeah, I don’t see Novak winning 12 slams, let alone surpass Rafa’s slam count.”

True. To surpass Rafa he may to win a minimum of 10 more slams….great Djoke.


Legend Says:

“Would love a Fedal final at the USO as Danny Morris said earlier”

That would be great for Rafa and his fans…. he would complete the grandslam of beating the GOAT.


Rick Says:

Two devastated defeats for Nole at the French and Wimbledon!


James Says:

@Kimberly, so far Nadal leads the race to London and has won more titles than the others. Who is most likely to win the USO? If all the big four play Rogers cup in Montreal, we have have our answer soon.


Fedster Says:

“2008 was a massacre. However, it was the clay GOAT at his peak. Rafa would have dismissed Borg in straight sets at FO that year.”

You are right Pitchaboy.
No comparison at all. Federer lost to the Clay GOAT at his peak. But this pussy is getting beaten by the lady forehand. Federer took the lady forehand to the cleaners when he was 31.


Tennisfan Says:

2008 final at the french open is an exception. That’s not a disgrace for Fed, the number 1 at that time. It was just a case of being at the wrong place at the wrong time. Against the clay GOAT at the peak of his powers. Nobody would have taken a set for him that day


James Says:

*If all the big four play Rogers cup in Montreal, we may have our answer soon.


Fedster Says:

Rick Says:
Two devastated defeats for Nole at the French and Wimbledon!

July 7th, 2013 at 1:35 pm

You have left out 2012 USO.


Tennisfan Says:

*Nobody would have taken a set of him on that day


Rick Says:

Nole choked with a 4-1 lead in the second set!


jamie Says:

Told you so.


Pitchaboy Says:

Wimbledon is in transition mode. The great man RF is fading and the next great champ is not to be seen. The next couple of years could well see different champs or we may enter the post Borg and pre Sampras era when Mac, Becker and Edberg dominated for short stretches.


Margot Says:

Am going to say it again, sorry everyone but us Murray fans have endured too much baiting and trolling on here:
@Danny Morris
Go suck it up. And carry on showing all tennisx posters what a classless, manupulative, lieing, bullying oaf you are.
@courbon, Wog BOy, Jane and all decent Nole fans who surely must be embarrassed by this trolls activities, my best to you. Nole’s post match interview was just gr8 btw.
Thanx to all good people on here and cheers to LLTK and Courbon.
History was made today.


Pitchaboy Says:

But there is no denying that Murray is the best grass courter now. His last three center court finals are a 4 set loss to RF, and two straight set beatings of RF and Novak.


Giles Says:

Hey Morris dancer/ tea boy. Eat your trash talk and remember the word “Karma”. I have two fingers for you, you piece of dirt.
Maybe you will shut your big mouth now!!
Well done Andy Murray.
#StillDreamingOfRafa?


Brando Says:

@Courbon: you are a class act. Thanks for that!:-) your guy is a classy guy, so are his team. Winning and losing is a part ofthe game: all our favs experience both in this very tough era . It was straight sets but in reality it felt like a very close 5 setter. Keep your head up: HC next, and your guy in the king there for sure. Thanks once again.


skeezer Says:

a big congratulations to andy murray and his fans. wimby finally has a home boy to be very proud of. yay!!


Debo Says:

Danny Morris,
I know you are an Indian. But what I dont know is why you are so ashamed to accept that bring up different identities like German, Carribean, Chinese, etc.


Brando Says:

@the DA, Margot, Colin, Racquet and all those who support Muzza day in, day out and for a really long time : Huge congrats to you guys especially- my cyber hugs and kisses to you guys!:-) As a Brit this was such a astonishing, marvelous thing to see. I am more happy than when Rafa won the FO! Muzza’s a gem of a tennis player, but more than that: the most dignified, humble of ALL British sportsfolks I have ever seen. Love the guy and I really hope this is no.2 in a list of more slams to come for Sir Andrew Murray: the dragon of Dunblane!:-)


jamie Says:

@Krishna

US Open winner will be Murray.


James Says:

(Soon to be ‘Sir’) Andrew Murray winning Wimbledon indeed is a great achievement in the British sporting history. This, I have no doubt, is no.2 of more slams to come for the Scotish man who’s now fully British today;)


jamie Says:

Murray will win the US Open.


the DA Says:

@Brando – Thanks for that. You know how rough it has been for us (at times) but we never stopped believing. I’m going to treat myself to a large stiff drink.

@Margot – Glad to see you appear. Was beginning to worry that final had given you the vapors.


the DA Says:

BTW, I thought is was very classy of Nole’s parents to congratulate and hug Judy. I remember Nole once tweeted that he was impressed that Judy had visited him after the AO final to congratulate him. Both guys were brought up well.


Krishna Says:

thanks Jamie.


Bada Bing Says:

Congrats to Murray’s biggest fans, jane, colin, Margot

Commies to all us Novak fans Wog Boy Corbon


courbon Says:

@ Margot & Brando: Thanks guys,I did not expect Novak loosing in 3 sets.I thought its 50:50 whose gonna win- but in a three sets I did not exopect.Slightly worrying how Novak caries in the big matches last 7 months…But hey, life goes on-you Brando had a of lose from Rafa only a week ago, and Margot you had to put a with Andy losing AO so you know how I feel.Enough of my rumbling, its YOUR DAY and all BRITS day- so go to pub, have lager (or wine if you wish ) and be proud.The boy make it good! ( and no more stupid talk from some posters about Andy being one wonder slam and similar b8888shit).Cheers!


courbon Says:

@ Bada Bing; Thanks mate, its sucks but we will for another day


Bada Bing Says:

Wog and Courbon; our man will come back strong in HC season.


grendel Says:

Colin says:”Watch Scottish First Minister Alex Salmond try to climb on the bandwagon now!”

Did you not see him, conspicuously draping himself with the Scottish flag and sporting a kind of fatuous moonbeam smile?

I’d be interested to know how Murray’s heart was behaving in that final game. Thought it would never end….

It has to be said Djokovic was not the player he had been against delPo. In particular, his forays to the net were nowhere near as good. Whether this was mainly due to Djokovic being drained by that terrific semi-final or to the subtleties of Murray’s play, I wouldn’t care to say. Murray at his best has always spun an intricate web, and Djokovic is not immune.

Odd to think that as of now, Murray is the holder of two slams. Kind of makes him the senior player on tour, at least for another couple of months.


Anna Says:

Congratulations to Andy Murray and all his fans. This was a great win and well deserved. Finally Britain has it’s homegrown champion.


Elena Says:

“Nole = No.1 player on the planet and the GOAT of mental strength in tennis.”

Like!!!!

#noleisthebest


Steve 27 Says:

Andy is much better grass courter than Djokovic. 5 sets to ZERO, Any question?


Okiegal Says:

Andy and Novak are two great tennis players……..but not ready to enter GOATDOM yet!!

When they have bested Roger and Rafa’s record’s……….then we’ll talk. They’ve got a long uphill climb, me thinks.


Karthick Says:

Congrats Murray! You deserved it! He did the right thing to SH*T Nole fans (showing his middle finger) what other fans wanted to do so! So SHI*T nole fans, come on time to drink #coolaid of Murray.


grendel Says:

Further to Colins’s remark, alluded to in my post at 3.45 p.m., see:http://news.uk.msn.com/uk/wimbledon-alex-salmond-defends-waving-of-saltire/


hawkeye Says:

Hmm, the No. 1 player in the world hasn’t won a major other than AO since 2011. I like Nole but he’s not Rafa or Fed. Muzza will likely have a better career than Nole after all is said and done.

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