Rafael Nadal v Novak Djokovic It Is In The Monte Carlo SFs, Who’s The Pick?

by Sean Randall | April 17th, 2015, 1:57 pm
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And here we go! I’ll happily take a so-so day of tennis if it means we get our first Rafael Nadal-Novak Djokovic collision in 10 months Saturday. That’s how things went today in Monte Carlo with Tomas Berdych, Gael Monfils and Djokovic all cruising into the semis before Nadal needed three to oust David Ferrer.

First up was Berdych who advanced when Milos Raonic withdrew with a foot injury down 5-2. Switching surfaces can be tricky especially for big guys like Raonic, so hopefully it isn’t anything serious and he’ll be OK soon.

What an opportunity for a well-rested Berdych now.


“So far everything is going well,” said Berdych who is into his third Monte Carlo SF. “My preparation is really good. I’ve done as much as I could, playing on the clay right after the Miami, which is a good sign for me. I’m able to execute it in the matches.”

Under new coach Dani Vallverdu, Berdych is having a very solid season with no real blemishes thus far – all his losses have been to top players. And he’ll be the favorite in his next match against Monfils who somehow blew out Grigor Dimitrov 6-1, 6-3. That after Dimitrov destroyed defending champion Stan Wawrinka a day earlier, so it was quite a puzzling result: Is Gael that good? Is Dimitrov that bad and if so had bad is Stan?

“Today, I wanted to make him run a lot, left [to] right, left [to] right [on] a lot of points,” said Monfils. “I tried to dictate with my forehand, move him around the court, short [and] back. I was like trying to play very deep and very high and heavy to tell him: ‘Grigor, you need to stay back.'”

It was then Djokovic’s turn on center and he continued his winning ways easily disposing of US Open champion Marin Cilic 6-0, 6-3 to run his Masters streak to 19.

After winning Indian Wells and Miami, Novak’s looked awfully sharp this week, but let’s be honest, who has he played? Albert Ramos? Andreas Haider-Maurer and Cilic who is just returning to the tour? So the 2013 Monte Carlo champion should be winning easily in his second home.

Nadal then wrapped up the quarterfinals avenging his loss to David Ferrer a year ago, beating his countryman in a tough three setter after failing to close it out in two. Rafa played well for about 90 minutes then fell apart trying to serve it out in the second. It’s a bad sign that happened again, but a good sign at least this time he got through it.

“I think, without doubt, this tournament have been the best tournament since the beginning for me in terms of concentration, in terms of nerves, general nerves,” Nadal said. “I didn’t play with that nerves that I was playing with in the previous tournaments. I felt in the important points I have been able to play the way that I wanted to play. Today is a very important victory for me for the confidence for the next couple of months.”

So the semifinals are set, on to my picks.

Tomas Berdych v Gael Monfils
I picked Berdych from the start to make the finals and even though Monfils is on fire right now, I’ll stick with the Czech. Berdych owns their head-to-head 5-1 having beaten him twice this year already, most recently in Miami via a retirement.

And if you look at the set scores, many of them have been lopsided in favor of Tomas.

“I must find the right tactics to neutralise his game because he gives me a lot of trouble,” said Monfils. “I’m never able to control him. I hope I’m going to play well tomorrow. It’s been a long time that I haven’t been feeling so good, and mentally I feel good, too.”

The problem for Monfils in this match is if Berdych if firing, that flat ball of his will especially hurt a guy like Monfils who stands so far back and plays so defensively.

Against top spin guys like Roger Federer and Dimitrov, he can get away with it more, but I just don’t think that works against flat-ball strikers like Berdych.

That said, if Gael steps into the court and works the crowd up, then he can win like he did at the 2013 French Open first round when the two last met on clay. But even that was a struggle for Gael needing five sets to win…
The pick: Berdych in two

Novak Djokovic v Rafael Nadal
In the match we’ve all waited for since the French Open, Nadal and Djokovic meet for the 43rd time. Nadal leads 23-19 and he’s 14-4 vs Novak on clay, winning two of three they have played in Monte Carlo where they both call their home (Novak lives there, Nadal has won it 8 times).

So on the surface (pun intended), Nadal is the guy to beat. But Djokovic is clearly playing the better tennis right now. There’s little debate there.

And at the start of the week I took Nadal over Novak here because I felt the Serb might be feeling some fatigue after all the tennis he’s played, but he says otherwise.

“I [have] got to prepare myself mentally for that,” Djokovic said of the semi. “Other than the mental part, I think physically I’m ready. I’m not exhausted. I haven’t spent too much time on the court. Also, I’m feeling the ball really well. Hopefully, I can perform well. I know that I’m going to need to keep the high level of performance throughout the entire match tomorrow.”

So much for that. But I’m still going to take Nadal. From his quote above, I know he sounds happy to have his confidence back and that he’s reached the semifinals, but that’s not enough. No one is buying he’s satisfied.

Rafa, an 8-time champ at the event, has the pressure, he has the motivation – he wants to prove he’s still the King of Clay – and he needs to make that statement as we approach Paris. He really needs this title and needs a big time match win over one of his rivals. This is it. Win this match and the confidence will truly return and he will really be back.

Lose here and the questions mount, the doubts increase and the pressure builds.

“Tomorrow I am not the favourite, that is obvious,” said Nadal. “When you play a player that is winning everything like he is doing, it is always going to be a very tough match to win. He’s playing almost perfect. He’s doing everything well, winning all the matches with not many problems. So when the things go that well, it’s difficult to stop a player like Novak.

“I love this court. I love the tournament,” Nadal said. “I am ready, I going to do my best as I do all the time. I know is a big, big challenge, but I don’t have nothing to lose tomorrow.”

Djokovic is the hot man and arguably the betting favorite, but if he loses tomorrow it doesn’t derail much of anything,it only ends a bunch of win streaks. Of course Novak’s real goal is in Paris and I can’t see how much beating Nadal here will matter in six weeks. The two will likely both be in another Masters together – either Rome or Madrid (I think Novak will skip one) – so Novak will likely get another shot against Rafa should he lose here. So he should come in relax and I guess refreshed.

Though like I said earlier, he really hasn’t faced anyone and now gets the ultimate challenge of playing Rafa in his first real clay test. And I mentioned Nadal’s wobbliness, well Novak’s had his issues as well, struggling in that tiebreak vs Federer at Indian Wells and coming unglued a bit against Andy Murray during the Miami final.

I know he says he’s playing at his peak, I just don’t see it that way. To me that’s just talk.

When these two meet, it’s the same old song and dance. Lots of long points, exhausting rallies and video game-like play. Maybe tomorrow some more time violations! It’s often great theater.

The key to me will be Rafa’s second serve and Novak’s backhand down-the-line. Novak can really punish Rafa’s second offering especially on clay. But if Novak doesn’t have confidence in that backhand then Rafa can get him into trouble.

So playing with a hint desperation, Nadal pulls through…
The pick: Nadal in three

Tennis Channel will have live coverage of both semifinals. The Nadal-Djokovic match begins at 9:30am ET.

SATURDAY MONTE CARLO SCHEDULE

COURT CENTRAL start 11:00 am
S. Bolelli (ITA) / F. Fognini (ITA) vs [2] I. Dodig (CRO) / M. Melo (BRA) 

Not Before 1:00 pm

[6] T. Berdych (CZE) vs [14] [WC] G. Monfils (FRA) 

Not Before 3:30 pm

[1] N. Djokovic (SRB) vs [3] R. Nadal (ESP)

[1] B. Bryan (USA) / M. Bryan (USA) vs [4] M. Matkowski (POL) / N. Zimonjic (SRB))



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209 Comments for Rafael Nadal v Novak Djokovic It Is In The Monte Carlo SFs, Who’s The Pick?

Patson Says:

Nole in 2 !

It’s going to be pretty straight-forward like the 2013 MC final — a straight sets win for Nole.


elina Says:

Nole is 4-2 since 2011 against Rafa (when he was in better form than he is currently) in best of three on clay.

Nadal hit way too many short balls today for much of the match and stayed too far back receiving serve against that little beast servebot. His nerves returned in the second set surrendering the double break failing to serve out the match in two.

Nole, however, is on course to set the (gluten-free) bagle record this year.

Oddsmakers have it right. This match will be won between the ears.

Novak in two over Rafa in the “final” is the pick.


chris ford1 Says:

I am a Nole fan, but like and respect Rafa’s contribution to tennis and have rooted for him in the past (even once against Nole at the USO because I wanted Rafa to get the Career Slam.)

The pick is Rafa though I want Nole to win. Reason is that ANYONE will be an underdog until Nadal has had at least 2 horrendous Euro clay season, and he isn’t even close to that yet. Nadal on clay is one of the most dominant records in any sport, period. Novak CAN beat him, has before a few times, but the odds have to go with Nadal.


Ben Pronin Says:

I’m going with Djokovic and Monfils. Berdych is Mr. Solid and that’s it. When he gets deep into an event and plays someone who’s actually played well to get there, he loses. Monfils is playing some great tennis. Somehow he’s focused. And I think he has more variety, especially on clay.

Nadal, his forehand is spinning higher than ever. But Djokovic is returning unbelievably well. I mean holy cow did he just rip a part Cilic’s serve today. I’m not sure he’s serving that well, though, but it’s consistent. He’s hitting great off both sides, whereas Nadal’s so-so on his backhand.


Hippy Chick Says:

I dont understand the expression so playing with a hint of desperation Nadal pulls through?….


Hippy Chick Says:

I would be interested in Madmaxs pick for the Rafa/Novak match?….


jalep Says:

Ferrer had his chances after winning the second set. Errors hurt him but he had the right plan. Rafa won though his serve and backhand were vulnerable today. What impressed me more was how he won against the human trebuchet!

At any rate I can see why his confidence will be up for his battle with Nole. Rafa is a bit more battle hardened. Nole has had an easy path. But I believe Nole will raise his level when it matters. But I can’t pick a clear winner. My heart is with Nole win or lose.

Monfils over Berdych!


Ron Smith Says:

So I guess Novak doesn’t have enough confidence in his down the line backhand…? Obviously because you have him losing to a man who’s having mental problems at the moment, just switched racquets, and is the least confident he’s ever been as a professional. Strong pick Sean! I think I will disagree with you and pick Nole in straight sets..


Daniel Says:

A loss for either player is bad but not the end of the world. I think Djokovic wants a similar preparation as in 2011 when he beat Nadal twice leading up to RG and Fed spoiled the party in semis.

Nothing better for Djoko than get a win tomorrow and another one in either Madrid or Rome. Getting just 1 win over Nadal before RG won’t change much as in previous years but if he wins tomorrow he basically prevent Nadal for feeling comfortable and adds more pressure to him. It seems is just a match but this can have major implications for both Novak and Nadal rebidding his confidence. Nope winning tomorrow prevents Nadal to reaching hopsack form. Next week he will play Barcelona with a less stelar field.

The difference between this 2 are so smalls that any upper hand is better. If Novak intends to win RG is better for him to win tomorrow. The more wins he has the better. My two cents


wilfried Says:

[The key to me will be Rafa’s second serve and Novak’s backhand down-the-line. Novak can really punish Rafa’s second offering especially on clay.]
Don’t agree with that point of view. More important in my view is how well Novak will return Rafa’s first serves, and whether he will be able to win the majority of the rallies that follow those first serves of Rafa.
Rafa’s 1st serve % is usually high, so the weight of these points is more important than the outcome of the points on his second serves (cfr. stats Monte Carlo 2013 between these two players).


Patson Says:

Even if Nadal loses, it’s a positive week for him though. Reason: he beat a top 10 player after almost 11 months. You generally take baby steps with one step at a time. Against Nole, f he can somehow push the match to 3 sets, that in itself would be an achievement for Nadal. A straight-sets blow-out – which I am predicting – means he still has a long way to go before he can challenge Nole. Needless to say, such a performance will make Nole even more confident for the French Open.


Hippy Chick Says:

Patson i agree unfortunalty….


KatH Says:

@ Jalep – Agree – except, unlike you, I don’t feel emotionally involved.

Re. Monfils v Berdych – I just love Monfils, a talent beyond definition – I’d really like him to win, but I think it will be Berdych – sensing one of his last chances.


Margot Says:

Go Gorgeous Gael beat Berdych brilliantly! :)
Dunno about the other, but gotta say Nole has looked the better player so far.


Patson Says:

La Monf, The Peoples’ Champion!


lyle nubbins Says:

I am a Rafa fan so I want him to win but I agree with Elina, the short balls are key. If Rafa hits short, Novak with his 2-hander will punish him.


Margot Says:

@Patson
Why is it “La” Monfils? Just curious is all.


jalep Says:

@KatH. I envy you. Not many matches do I feel emotionally involved. As a Monfils fan i’m used to the losing but for him to make the final wow…and what if he won! He just has to beat Berdych. Berdych won’t win MC. What a waste for Berdych to be in the final vs either Rafa or Nole.


Margot Says:

@jalep
I agree, if Berd gets to the final he’ll be mercilessly pummeled by Nole/Rafa. At least, if Gael gets there, ANYTHING could happen!


jalep Says:

@Margot. Did you see how he played Grigor?

I wrote a bit about it in a reply to jane on the Rafa thinks players are slackers thread.

Sure Gael’s head to head is pitiful vs Rafa/Nole. Has to be more fun than watching Berdych.


jane Says:

“My heart is with Nole win or lose.” well, i can’t say it any better, so i will quote jalep. :)


Giles Says:

Luigi Gatto
Nadal “Against Djokovic I have nothing to lose. Tomorrow’s match will help me for the next tournaments”
Vamos Champ!


Margot Says:

@jalep
I was actually very shocked, Gael seemed to be using his head for once…;) Intelligent play, whatever next? Perhaps he had a point to prove to Racheed? Did jane say he has a new coach?
Was a bit worried tho., he seemed very puffed after some of the long rallies. If his matches go to 3, I think he will be in trouble. He has a huge upper body and really skinny legs, I guess that makes long matches quite hard.


Margot Says:

@jalep
PS
Just read what you wrote. Yes, indeedy Gael is full of charm and flair. He is a poppet. :)


Patson Says:

@Margot

La –> The :-)

So you would be “La Marg”


Patson Says:

@Margot

I suppose if somebody is special, so special that there is nobody like him/her, it would make sense to add “La”. Besides, doesn’t it sound cool ? :)


Markus Says:

“La” for feminine, “le” for masculine. Monfils is French for means son, so “le”.


Wog Boy Says:

Nole is at the right place ATM win or lose. He doesn’t have any pressure that he must win, he is mor than safe as #1, he has won already GS and masters this year and shoud think and plan his form for FO. If he wins that doesn’t mean much really since Nadal team has always something up their sleeve and will not show until the tournament that really matters to them and that is FO, as my friend said last year Nole beat him in Rome and than Rafa came in FO winning it with the shot that he didn’t use in Rome, with FDTL, Nadal team worked on other surprises this year and they will not reveal them until FO, Nole team be ready, don’t make the same mistake as last year.


Markus Says:

remove means from my post. :-)


Patson Says:

@Markus

Huh ? It’s Le Monf ? Really ? The internet is littered with La Monf. Why so ?


RZ Says:

I’m hoping that Monfils wins his semi tomorrow. Although I wouldn’t pick him to win the final, regardless of whether he would play Djokovic or Nadal, he’s enough of a wild card that he could possibly somehow pull it off. Can’t say the same for Berdych. Don’t think he stands a chance against either Djokovic or Nadal. (Now watch Berdych go and win the title just because I said this)


Markus Says:

@Patson: I googled “monfils, la monf” and indeed, he is called that. I could not find any information on how that started. French is not my primary language but I don’t know if “monf” means anything else other than a short for Monfils. Where is mat4 when we need him? Or any French speakers who can explain why La Monf instead of Le Monf.


jane Says:

i guess this means nole will have met all his main rivals already this year: andy 3 times, fed 2 times, and now rafa.

i don’t think the reverse is true. fed and rafa, rafa and andy, and fed and andy haven’t played yet have they? except for the exho between andy and rafa. hopefully we see a few more of those match ups too, and on different surfaces. it would be great to see rafa/fed and rafa/andy on hard courts or grass; feels like it’s been a while.


jalep Says:

Mon- I think it’s my or mine
Fils- son. Which makes one think the masculine le would be right but…in this case it’s la.

La mine…an endearment. That’s my guess.
And for those of us like Margot and me, he’s a poppet! An adorable sweetie
Lol…


Daniel Says:

Nadal to get back to #4 next week regardless of results in MC.

Next week he defends Quarters in Barcelona (90 pts) and Nishikori defends title (500 puts) so nobody wall pass Nadal next week. Madrid will be interesting because there will be potentially a lot of ranking shifts depending mostly on Nadal and Kei who were Title and Runner up.

Hope nothing is too serious with Raonic foot and no injuries this clay season. There were already a lot of absences first 3 months (Tsonga, Cilic, DelPo, Monfils, Tipsy, etc…)


skeezer Says:

If Nole wins the usual posters here will talk and congratulate and commerserate.
Rafa wins? Guaranteed the cult will come back out and shout how much better he is than Nole.
Book it.


jane Says:

yes, no injuries hopefully. knock on wood.

and i’m with those who hope la monf makes it thru to meet the one who comes thru that other clash.


jalep Says:

Mat4 come sort this out!


Wog Boy Says:

“Guaranteed the cult will come back out and shout how much better he is than Nole.”
That happens before every clay court season, huge influx of “new” Rafa fans, and after that they disperse until next year.


Markus Says:

Whoever wins, it will be very rowdy here tomorrow. FUN!


Okiegal Says:

@Skeezer……What am I, chopped liver?? There are Rafa fans still here. You have never heard me say after a Rafa win that he’s so much better than the opponent. If he loses I will congratulate the winner and his fans. If that makes me a cult member, so be it……..


skeezer Says:

@OK,
Did I ever say you were in the cult? You don’t know the history here. You are a Rafan, and a fan of Tennis, not in the cult. They know who they are.


Lilayski Says:

Newbie here (but have been a consistent lurker to know most of u ☺).Im a Nole fan so ofc im rooting for him. On paper,people should expect him to win but being a seasoned Nole fan,i know better than to expect a straightforward win especially against Rafa. Still, Idemo!!

PS
Are u guys on twitter too? Lemme know ur handles so i can follow!! :)


Okiegal Says:

@Skeezer

I guess I feel I’m guilty by association. I’ve point blank asked you questions on occasion and you used to comment back, but not lately. I thought I might have made culthood accidentally……


Patson Says:

Welcome Lilayski ! We’ve got some pretty cool Nole fans here .. WogBoy, courbon, jane, myself, and so many others.

I don’t have a handle on twitter, which means I don’t have a twitter handle :). See what I did there ?

Hoping for a happy outcome tomorrow afa Nole is concerned. Good luck to Rafa fans as well.


Okiegal Says:

We have some cool Rafa fans on here too…..do I get an amen??? Probably not….bwahaha


Okiegal Says:

Hi, Lilayski, a big “howdy” to you from the great state of Oklahoma. A loyal Rafa fan, but a mature one! Welcome to the forum!!


jane Says:

why is nadal displaying those grapes in front of the fire…WHY? and where, tennis-x staffers, do you find these photos?! lol…


Margot Says:

@Patson and Markus
Yeah…even tho us Brits are pants at other languages….. I did know “La” is feminine and “Le” is masculine, which is why I asked. The mystery remains, especially as “mon” is masculine “my.” Whatever, “Go Poppety!”
@Skeeze
Did u c the promo for new “Star Wars?” It looks pretty good, but more importantly Chewie appears in it! And me oh my, he’s looking mighty fine.


Bob Lewis Says:

Some have a strange fascination and belief in the Birdman.


Bob Lewis Says:

Is gluten easy to detect in meals and foods? If someone were to sneak gluten into what Novak eats, would that suddenly change the way he plays, his energy level, and so forth?


Hippy Chick Says:

Skeezer/Okie all fan groups are guilty of that,lets just say they all have their fair share of fanatics that come and go depending on the success of their favorites its not exclusive to Rafa fans,we will always have the diehards that stick around no matter what,Rafa fans might pop up out of the woodwork if he wins the CC season and especially RG,but i can guarantee that the Nole would do exactly the same….

Also just second guessing here,but dont you suppose that fans not blogging might mean they have issues in the real world,ie work,ill health,holidays etc,not all of us spend 24/7/365 behind a computer….


Michael Says:

Looking at the way Rafa struggled against Ferrer, I do not think right now he has the ammunition to beat Novak who is in a fine fettle, espousing great confidence and running with the winning momentum. That said, who can write off the chances of Rafa especially on a Clay court and considering the way he has dominated this tournament since long. The key in this match would be Rafa’s second serve and Novak’s return. If there is one player who reads Rafa’s serve very well on Court, it is only Novak and he just outfoxes him with his brilliant deep return and if that shot gets working then Rafa has a serious problem. From Rafa’s end, he should hope for a slightly jaded Novak who is not in his best. He definitely cannot dictate play to Novak from the back of the court as Novak is always the aggressor who wants to end the rallies quickly whenever he is in contest with Rafa. If you want to see a aggression filled Novak on court, it is only when he plays Rafa when he tries shots from impossible angles and even hits flat shots to unsettle him. So, this match is going to be very interesting from spectators view point, I am eagerly looking forward to it. This contest is also very crucial for Rafa when he is going into the clay season where he likes to once again dominate. From Novak’s end, a win here might take his confidence zooming to great heights and he cannot expect a more better start to the clay season especially in a year when he is thinking of accomplishing the Calendar Grand Slam. All the best to both the players. Whoever wins, I am looking forward to a great match and that you can always expect when Novak and Rafa are in action on court.


Revelation Says:

Jane,

You want to know why Nadal displays grapes and fire. Just look at Revelation 14:18 (bible). it is going to be 7/5, 5/7, 2/6 (14:18). Pure setup.


Hippy Chick Says:

Bob Lewis here in Britain food is usually labelled as to whether or not it has gluten in it….

BTW just wanted to let you know the reason i have issue with Cilic,is seeing him having his photo taken with a neo nazi pop star it had absolutely nothing to do with the doping thing which he did his time for,something you attacked me about some weeks ago,i left you a reply at the time,but i dont know if you saw it,so i just wanted to make myself clear?….


Hippy Chick Says:

Michael i said it on the other thread,but you never pick Rafa over Novak anyway even when Rafas playing the better tennis like two years ago,anyway please if and i know it doesnt look good for Rafa ATM but lets not go down the Chris Ford1 root of saying players like Rafa or Andy can only beat Novak if Novak is off his game?….


Hippy Chick Says:

^And im hoping some others players can actually have a say in how the rest of the season and the GS pan out^….


Michael Says:

Alison,

Yes, I saw your post. You have a fair point.

Right now, Novak is looking the better player. But, how can anyone with a bit of sense rule out the chances of Rafa and that too on a clay court ? He might peak any time and that has happened in the past where you can expect the unexpected from Rafa and he has surprised his critics who doubted his innate ability to bounce back with a vengeance. So, I am always giving room for that possibility. But still I will give the edge only to Novak and he must be through if he plays well as he has been doing this year so far when he is so good. The only problem will come for him only when he plays below par and Rafa regains some of his form resembling his younger years when he was literally invincible on this court. So, it is going to be a very interesting match to watch from the manoeuvures both these players will adopt to outfox the other. Looking forward eagerly to this match as a Tennis fan.


Rie Says:

Blah blah blah there are lots of Nole here saying their favourite will win this match easily and also this tournament. well let me tell y’all what i’m thinking , my answer is Nole will lose. Believe it or not


wilfried Says:

@ Michael April 18th, 2015 at 1:52 am
[The key in this match would be Rafa’s second serve and Novak’s return.]
That’s not the only key in my opinion.
Looking at the numbers and percentages of 1st and 2d serve returns in their respective matches on clay (between Rafa and Nole), return percentages on 1st serve are of equal if not more importance than 2d serve return percentages, given the higher number of 1st Serves (in comparsion wtith the number of 2d serves).
Here are Nole’s return percentages of Rafa’s serve in the 4 matches he won on clay:
Madrid 2011 1st S return 23/52 (44,23%) – 2d S return 14/23 (60,87%).
Rome 2011 1st S return 16/49 (32,65%) – 2d S return 15/20 (75 %)
Monte Carlo 2013 1st S return 25/56 (44,64 %)- 2d S return 15/22 (68,18 %)
Rome 2014 return 1st S return 32/70 (45,71%) – 2d S return 13/23 (56,52 %)

And here below are Nole’s return percentages of Rafa’s serve in the last 4 matches he lost on clay:
Rome 2012 1st S return 12/39 (30,77 %) – 2d S return 13/30 (43,33 %).
Roland Garros 2012 1st S return 28/73 (38,36 %) – 2d S return 21/45 (46,67 %)
Roland Garros 2013 1St S return 29/102 (28,43 %) – 2d return 23/58 (39,66 %)
Roland Garros 2014 1st serve return 23/84 (27,43 %) – 2d S return 18/36 (50 %)
If we compare both groups of 4 matches, we can observe that, with the exception of Rome 2011, Nole’s return percentages of Rafa’s 1st serve were each time above 44%, whereas, when Nole won against Rafa on clay, they were always below 40% when he lost.
It’s evident that you can’t look at these percentages in isolation, and that you need to compare them with Rafa’s percentages on return of serve.
That’s why, in my view at least, Nole won ATP Rome 2011against Rafa only because Rafa’s return of serve percentages were worse than Nole’s percentages.
There is a reason why the IBM-analysis of Roland Garros 2014 stated that Nole needs to win 42% of 1st Serve returns to win te match against Nadal. The analysis didn’t mention anything at all a need to attain a certain percentage of 2d Serve returns.
http://2014.rolandgarros.com/en_FR/scores/stats/day20/1701ms.html


Bob Lewis Says:

@HappyChick.

Is there some type of evidence that proves this diet is the reason for his performance and results? Or is it all in his head? If someone just lied to him – tell him the food is gluten free when it’s not – would he become less effective on the court?


wilfried Says:

correction to my comment above (in fine):
…whereas, when Nole lost from Rafa on clay, they were always below 40%.


KatH Says:

@ Bob Lewis

A Gluten free diet is a must for people who have coeliac disease. Not sure if Nole has been diagnosed as such. Unless we knew for sure, the impact on his performance could not really be assessed. Maybe he just feels better on gluten free – similarly to people who feel healthier when they reduce their intake of beef/pork etc.


Giles Says:

Rafa fans don’t disappear after a Rafa loss. Lol. It’s the joker fans that like to adopt that stance ala 2013 after joker lost FO and Wimbledon . They disappeared for almost a year. Jane. WB and mat4 were among the missing posters. Check it out. So don’t go making wild and untrue statements about the Rafans. We are here to stay and always have been!


madmax Says:

Oki,

It’s all good. Thanks for the post. :) Good luck today. Hope you enjoy the match.

Hippy,

Like I have said, I do believe that Rafa will win. He is clay court king. I think that he may even get the first set – don’t know why.

I think it will go to three sets.

Both players will be nervous.

Jane, interesting stat.

When we have all argued and debated about the GOAT over the years,when all is said and done, Novak is having another 2011 year in terms of wins, but clay is the one that he has to get his head around – against Rafa that is.


madmax Says:

Novak is really developing into THE GOAT in terms of wins. Where does he get his energy from and his really new found confidence? Especially when you think it was less than 4 years ago, where he used to suffer dreadfully from lack of breath on the court.

Definitely his new diet, 2 years or more now? has really contributed to his overall health.


Margot Says:

Already feeling homicidal, commentator is referring to “Monfeesh!” Eeuk!
@Markus
You have soared even higher in my admiration supporting Crashquet. You must have nerves of steel….;)


Margot Says:

Bum, brawn beating beauty :( 6-1 first set.


Flyer Says:

Berdy doing very well – at least from live score as I do not have visual access. If he does win doubt very much that he will be able to beat either Djokovic or Nadal.

Looks like the only real competitive match 2day will be the next semi – at least on paper – hope it turns out that way.


madmax Says:

Margot,

You have me in stitches this morning!

Monfeesh! Monfeesh! :)


Margot Says:

alas, alas……
Brawn beats beauty :(
Darling Monfeesh didn’t really turn up. Lost 6-1, 6-4.
So Sean’s first prediction was correct, let’s see about his second.


Okiegal Says:

@madmax

Thanks for getting back to me. Yes, it’s all good. Appreciate the well wishes. It’s almost time….in three hrs or so, history will have been made again!

I made sure your moniker was right this time. Good luck to your guy too!


Wog Boy Says:

Congrats to Berdych, when he plays his game it is nice to watch, silky and smooth and congrats to Vallverdu, I have no doubt he will make his name in coaching business, nice, knowledgeable and well mannered young man.


jalep Says:

@Margot. I couldn’t bear to watch. Saw the scoreline…was enough.

Some good Fed Cup matches on!


Margot Says:

@jalep
A pool of tears here. :'( (Would’ve been so good for lovely Monfils to get to the final. Think he ran out of gas tbh, which I was afraid of.
Go Team Amelie!


the DA Says:

Stan breezes past Monaco then gets crushed by Dimitrov, who then gets crushed by Monfils, who is getting crushed by Berdych. And the sequence will be completed in tomorrow’s final. ;)


KatH Says:

@jalep

Gael is a sensational player – entertainment wise he will always thrill. As for the other players, they never know when he is going to chase them off the court on any given day – no matter who they are.


Daniel Says:

Good start from Nadal. 3 unreturnble services and he holds and confirm the break.


Daniel Says:

Djoko’s BH is not clicking, 3 mistakes already.


Daniel Says:

Another BH erroer and another BP


Daniel Says:

Great hold by Djoko after saving BP. Now he can relax some more.

Nadal also is using body serve way more often with a lot of sucess.


Daniel Says:

Djoko break back. Nadal playing a bit short and made a few FH errors.


Daniel Says:

Love game by Djoko. 3-2 Nadal to serve


Daniel Says:

Nadal playing way more deep ballas close to the linea attacking Djoko BH


Daniel Says:

What a match. Spetacular points one after another.


Daniel Says:

Drop shot show today by both.


Rishi Says:

Where are all the Rafa/Novak fans? I see only Daniel is actively posting for the last 30 minutes.


Daniel Says:

This last 3 games are awesome. Very few mistakes a lot of winners an a show by both


Daniel Says:

Break Djoko with a great up return, Djoko to serve for the set.


madmax Says:

Great commentary from you Daniel. Thanks


Margot Says:

Really exciting match! Game 7 was a wowzer!
First set Nole 6-3.


Daniel Says:

6-3 Djoko. After a slow start Djoko 0-2 down he won 5-1 in games. Let’s see if he will keep it up.
But it looks for a Djoko win.


Daniel Says:

Nadal still a bit tense in crunch times. He made FH erros in both BP agaisnt to lose serve.


Daniel Says:

Nadal playing short now. Double BP Djoko


skeezer Says:

Rafa is in top form. Its one thing to handle is FH, then another to out grind him. Nole did exactly that in the first set. Nole has to be tactifully careful here in the second.


Daniel Says:

Great hold by Nadal. Djoko had all the shots to break.


jalep Says:

@KatH. @ Margot
Thanks for your kind words.

But my hands are shaking watching Nole–can’t even type on this
phone!


Lilayski Says:

Rafole is just too stressful for me. Im not even watching. Just keeping track of the scores at the ATP/WTA App. If Novak wins, im gonna watch the replay. If he doesnt, my memory will subconsciously bury this til I have moved on from the loss. Pathetic. 😂😂😂


Lilayski Says:

By the way, thanx for the welcome Okiegal & Patson. 😊


skeezer Says:

Nole misses an easy put a way. Rafa fist pumps. Lol.


Daniel Says:

Nadal excelent defense, he won a few points where Djoko was in control but had to hit another ball and missed in the net.


skeezer Says:

One thing that has been admirable about Nole’s on court persona is he frequently applauds an opponets great shot.


TennisVagabond.com Says:

Skeeze, I always liked that too. Some here have called it “weak”. Nonsense. Its very cool.

I don’t really have a dog in this fight. I started cheering for Rafa, then went out for a bit, but seeing some of the aggressive shot making and clever plays from Novak, I’m having a hard time rooting against him.


Daniel Says:

Nadal is on top of his game this set. The best he played all year considering who he is playing agaisnt who is also on top form.


Daniel Says:

Wow. Nadal playng superb and suddenly Djoko BP.


Daniel Says:

What a point!


jalep Says:

Nadal’s backhand is no longer looking vulnerable as it did.

This is a great battle if I can stand to watch.


Daniel Says:

Wow, wrong foot inside out Djoko. Sublime.
Another BP.


Daniel Says:

Ace. Nadal is pumped up.


Daniel Says:

Another FH error by Nadal on BP and Djoko breaks. He is in a different level because Nadal is playing as well as he could. Maybe if it was sunny the match will be going more Nadal way.

Let’s see if Djoko will hold and confirm the lead. So far this set Nadal didn’t have a BP on Novak serve.

Novak to serve with new balls


jalep Says:

@Daniel. Your commentary is very appreciated!


Daniel Says:

Nadal serving to stay alive this set, 3-5


Rishi Says:

Daniel,

You have been covering this match very well. Good job. Apart from the occasional comments from the others, I am wondering if Okie, Hippy, and Jane are too nervous watching the match.

Waiting to hear from the others.


Daniel Says:

MP Djoko.


Daniel Says:

Ball was almost out, but Nadal saved MP.


Okiegal Says:

@Rishi…..Lol. I’m so slow typing …..by the time I got a comment typed, the match could be over! I’m watching, but Novak has this one. A good match. Lots of great shot making from both. This break will do it!


Rishi Says:

Okie….good to hear from you. As I type, Rafa has game point. Should stretch at-least to another game.


Daniel Says:

Return winner to set another MP. Nadal’s first serve deserted him this game.


the DA Says:

Nole deserved this win, he really took it to Rafa today. He was almost flawless in the 2nd set. But here’s the good news Rafa fans: he is getting closer to his old self. The BH didn’t break down and his defense was ridiculous as it ever was. Madrid and Rome are going to be very interesting.


Rishi Says:

Positives….Rafa has been very good today. Some of the points just made me go OMG!!


Daniel Says:

Wow, cross coirr BH winner to close the match. What a way for Djoko to win this latst two points, on raw power.

Another MS final and he is set for another record. If he wins MC this year will be better than 2011 so far where he didn’t play MC.

Can’t see Berdych winning tomorrow, not on this level from Djoko.
Nobody was able to even win 5 games of him in a single set this tourney, not even Nadal on clay.


Margot Says:

Congrats to Nole and his fans. Comms to Rafa and his.
Exciting high intensity, high quality match, I thought. Game 7, match changer again.
Rafa was too far behind that baseline, but that’s what Nole does to you.


madmax Says:

Rishi,

I am glad you said that. First time in my life I agreed with Sean, thinking it WOULD go three sets and the end result would be a win for Rafa.

Still, I saw heaps of positives in this match for him. Heaps; by no means was he playing without confidence, number 1, secondly, at many points of the match, he was equal with novak, toe to toe in the long rallies and then winning the point.

If a man is down on MP, then none other than Rafa a Novak (many times), have saved the day to win that point.

No. This man is very confident. I also want to say that the fact he has lost this match bears no resemblance/nor in my view will have any impact on Rafa going into RG as the favourite.

Masters v Slams – there is no competition and nothing like a slam.

It will always be Rafa on clay for me.

Oki, Hippy – a shock for me that he didn’t win. May be not for you, but he played some great shots and so you should be proud for that.

Novak was dangerous, as always, played great shots, but I don’t think he was massively better than rafa – it’s a great rivalry between these two.


Bob Lewis Says:

This season really has the makings of a historic one, more than 2011. Of course, I suggested something like this could happen prior to the Australian. :)

It’s all about the French Open, though. And that is no given, even if Nadal isn’t one of the opponents.


madmax Says:

It will be interesting to hear the interviews and also to get the match analysis.

One thing, I think Rafa’s serve seems to be the shot that lets him down the most. So of course, being rafa, he will practise, practise and practise some more.

Good match.


Sean Randall Says:

Rafa played well at times, but Djokovic was just too good on this day.

Good thing for Nadal is he won’t have to play Novak in Paris for six weeks or so, otherwise I just don’t know how Rafa is going to win.

Rafa’s serve isn’t there. He’s too defensive. Too far back (Djoker is now using the drop shot) and his balls are still landing too short.

Meanwhile Novak looks and is unbeatable right now.


jalep Says:

That felt like the final. Might be tough match with Berdych after that effort.

Sorry to Rafa’s fans. But more battles and chances coming soon.

So happy for Nole…


Wog Boy Says:

“Dean for President” was the best in this match.
Canada has the second best Nole fan after jane:)


django Says:

Wow…impressive from novak.
Gimelstob mentioning in Miami and today that novak has the best backhand of all time
I’m sure rafa will mount a come back and take RG.


Rishi Says:

Madmax….Agree with you completely. Everything Rafa did today, Novak seemed to match or do better.

Congrats to Novak fans on the MC Title. Unless the sky falls, I do not see Berdych holding anything other than the Runner-up Trophy.


Skeezer Says:

The battle for the title of Clay King this year has begun.


Okiegal Says:

@Rishi……I wanted badly for Rafa to win, got the first break, but is having trouble backing it up, as of late. He’s playing nervous and anxious, even on clay! I’ve been saying it for a few days, which it pains me to do, Novak is just playing better. I don’t want to be a “Debbie” downer, but facts are facts. I’m gonna be like some Novak fans said the other day, I will gladly exchange this one for the Frenchie…….However, I realize also that the run there will have to end somewhere. But being the selfish person I am, I want #10…..:)

Congratulations to the Novak fans. He played awesome tennis today. They both made some incredible shots!
Except for the ending, it was a great entertaining match.

On to the next one!!


gonzalowski Says:

Congratulations to Nole fans
Agree with Sean analysis. And, the setup for a possible RG final between this two is now stablished, knowing that Rafa can reach a high level


Skeezer Says:

@wog boy
I saw “Dean” yes he was awesome 👍


Daniel Says:

Also, Djoko the first to have 20 eins over Nadal and probably the only;-)
Very soon he will have 20 wins over Fed also making him the only playee to have more than 20 wins over both. Maybe this will be hos greatest achievement😜


Rishi Says:

@Okie….Rafa started really well, and could have been 3-0 by the time Novak woke up to the match. I don’t think many expected Rafa to come blazing at the beginning.

I understand his nerves. This is his first big match this year on Clay (no disrespect to Ferrer, but I knew Rafa would come through).

This Rafa will only get better, and I can see Novak get a little nervous if/when they play at RG. It’s just too difficult to get 3 sets out of him. I think he’ll still win RG this year. His level is getting back to where he’d like it to be.


jane Says:

bravo nole! well played. in both sets, those games at 3 all were monsters! and can i just say… nole’s lobs. <3

nadal played very well today and looks to be at full on 100% strength, so hopefully his fans here will take some comfort in that. his serve was good, his backhand strong, and his movement good too. his forehand was fiercesome, as always.

nole won the return battle though, and when the points are shorter, novak was winning twice as many of them. he plays big points so well, such a fighter.

daniel, you're the BOSS commentator by the way. thanks for all those! enjoy reading your play-by-plays. you should get a job in tennis writing somewhere.


mat4 Says:

I’ve watched the match and I’ve seen a lot of positives for Novak: his FH DTL is better, but there is still plenty of time to improve it. I’ve seen in a previous match that his avg FH speed has improved, so it could explain some mishits from both players.

In the second set Novak put more pressure on Rafa’s BH slice and on his second serve, coming to the net and being very aggressive on the return. Although he lost a few spectacular points, it changed the rhythm of the match.

And the most important: Rafa lost key points, key games, just like he did in 2011: he couldn’t create another BP at 3-3 in the first set, he cracked a 3-4. In the second set, he cracked at 3-3, in the seventh game, than serving to stay in the match. The higher the tension, Rafa made more errors.

The points stats is revealing: Novak won 69 vs 54 points, 15 points more, 10 of those in the second set, when he was more confident and Rafa under pressure.


Okiegal Says:

@madmax……..I try to be realistic in any situation……Novak is just the better atm. I want to make this clear…..I KNOW RAFA IS THE FAVORITE AT RG!!!


jane Says:

lol wog boy, that’s the guy nole gave the towel to right? :)


bojana anel Says:

Congralution,Nolence,this was Your day, many more to come.Nadal was very good too but Novak was better..
Idemo Novak….


django Says:

Okie
rafa himself has said..sooner or later someone will have their name under mine.
I’m sure rafa will do all in his power to win RG.


Hippy Chick Says:

Okie yeah sums it up for me too,maybe he will win RG or maybe not,but thats the one Rafa fans want again….
Giles ive never been one to bail when the going gets tough….
Rishi nice to see you here,i didnt see the match because of work….
Skeezer as i said to Giles im not one to bail if the going gets tough,and as i said to Rishi i couldnt blog because i was working….
Jane/Woyboy/Mat4 etc and the rest of the Novak fans,well the decent ones that dont make excuses for his defeats anyway congrats to your guy on winning this match,and also on his 23rd Masters series title which is surely a foregone conclusion now anyway….


Wog Boy Says:

@jane,
Yes that is the one, I spent more time looking for him than the match, he was shadow boxing, jumping up and down and he had few friends and front seat, He was so invested that I thought at one stage that he is going to come on court himself:)


Okiegal Says:

@Jane…..Rafa is 100% fit imp too. That is a comforting aspect to all of this. A special congrats to you and your guy!

@Rishi He did start well. I think Novak was the more nervous of the two starting out, but like I knew he would, he got control. Rafa is still edgier in key moments…..and he can’t win in those moments if he doesn’t calm down. It is what it is!

Everyone on the planet says Rafa stays too far back on the baseline. If that is detrimental to the game of tennis why does he do it?? Is it because he’s just more comfortable there? I know you can get on the serve quicker being closer……but I can’t figure out why he does it if he knows better. All the commentators say if they coached him that would be the first change they’d make. It just puzzles me.
Like clay, maybe that’s his comfort zone……


Daniel Says:

Actually Rafa always start strong with Novak but once Novak puts his feet in the match he plays better.


Rishi Says:

@Hippy….Nice to hear from you. Your man played really well, and has no reason to feel dejected. He’ll get stronger. Sorry you had to work today.


Hippy Chick Says:

Madmax no it wasnt a shock for me,to be honest i saw it coming,i wouldve been more shocked had he won,its all good,didnt see the match,but by the sound of things Novak was the worthy winner,so congrats to him and his fans,like Okie says and i highlight it,going by the form of both players i didnt have any unrealistic expectations about this match….


mat4 Says:

What I like about Novak is the way he has matured as a person.

During the match, he applauds great shots from his opponent.

After the match, win or lose, he will always try to assess in a very fair manner. He also shows a lot of respect for his opponent, and finds excuses for their patch of bad play, if there were any.

Before the match, he always says that his opponent is a quality player, but he never asks for excuses in advance.

He also knows that he has to play mandatory tournaments, and that he can’t bid his time, chose when he will play against Fed, or Nishikori, or Wawrinka. Never too early, never too late. That’s the rule of the game.

Let’s see what will happen tomorrow. Berdych plays very well in this tournament, and I believe that he has a good chance against Novak, although Nole remains the favourite.


Daniel Says:

Oki,

He basically is a defense playee and the far back you stay the more time you have to hit, specially in his case that he generates spin hit from below the ball up. If he gets closer he dimishes opponent reacrion time but is forced to take the ball on the rise and ve the agressor. Even when hengoes for hos inside ot FH he generates soin. Ocassionally he hits flat but when he is insdide the court. But the closer you get to the net the bigger it gets. That’s why we see so many olayer hitting the net inside the court in a position to win the point as was the case several tines with Djoko today.

Stay back ishow Nadal was taught / likes to play. Move opponet wait for a short ball and than come in bit he reloahes more that the opponent will miss and not him.


Okiegal Says:

@django

Yes, he did say that and he’ll have that extra pressure when his feet hit the red dirt of RG!
But, I’m sure he will watch this match and go to work on things he needs to correct.

Onward and upward!! :)


jane Says:

agree mat4. nice post. it seems like novak is always up for a challenge. i haven’t seen many matches here, so i have no idea how tomas has been playing, but he’s now number two in the rankings race, just a smidgen over andy.


Hippy Chick Says:

Mat4 congrats,but i disagree Berdych has no chance against Nole….


madmax Says:

django Says:
Wow…impressive from novak.
Gimelstob mentioning in Miami and today that novak has the best backhand of all time
I’m sure rafa will mount a come back and take RG.

April 18th, 2015 at 11:32 am

django, I agree with you.

So much for that. But I’m still going to take Nadal. From his quote above, I know he sounds happy to have his confidence back and that he’s reached the semifinals, but that’s not enough. No one is buying he’s satisfied.

Rafa, an 8-time champ at the event, has the pressure, he has the motivation – he wants to prove he’s still the King of Clay – and he needs to make that statement as we approach Paris. He really needs this title and needs a big time match win over one of his rivals. This is it. Win this match and the confidence will truly return and he will really be back.

Lose here and the questions mount, the doubts increase and the pressure builds.

Sean’s comment above – so you have changed your tune now Sean, because Rafa lost the match?

Rafa’s serve isn’t there. He’s too defensive. Too far back (Djoker is now using the drop shot) and his balls are still landing too short.

Meanwhile Novak looks and is unbeatable right now.

Novak does look unbeatable, I think becoming a father has made him even more hungry than this baby!

I don’t think the pressure will be mounting on Rafa at all – if anyone can handle pressure, in tight situations, it really is Rafa. In fact when he came back from love on his serve, i really thought this would be a turning point. We all know when he gets into those tight squeezes, the other oponent freezes and I fully expected that that would be a turning point for him. Not to be, but he will take a lot of positives from this match.

Oki, TOO FUNNY! :)


Wog Boy Says:

The reason why Rafa stays back is Nole. Nole plays so deep with a lot of pop that Rafa is missing more often his vicious FH since he doesn’t have a time for big swing. He tried to stay on the base lane and play agressive but after few FH misses he has move further back. Federer doesn’t have that problem with Nole since he picks up ball very early and that is more troublesome for.
Nole played extremely smart tonight with lot of power and mixing it up, Nadal is fully back, some balls he retrieved were outrageous.


mat4 Says:

… although his serve doesn’t work well, his FH has to improve, and his BH DTL is not where it should be…

But he has gain some confidence from this match, that he can beat the overwhelming favourite on his own turf, in a match where, despite the new racquet technology from the XXII century used by his opponent, his thorough preparation on clay, the fact that his opponent was fresher, despite a slow start, despite that himself was far from his best, he managed to win.


Wog Boy Says:

^^ Daniel beat me.


Hippy Chick Says:

Jane Novak plays the big points well he is such a fighter,but surely the same is said of all players that win,im not sure that statement actually applies to him more than any other player?….


Margot Says:

@jane
Berdych is 3 in “race to London” ranking. Andy is 2.
Berdych is 8 in ATP ranking, Andy is 3.


mat4 Says:

@Margot:

Berdych is 2 in the race with today’s victory:

Tomas Berdych 2490
Andy Murray 2420


mat4 Says:

And he is seventh in the rankings…


Margot Says:

Cheers mat4, hadn’t counted that one….obviously!
Thought Nole was terrific today. Rafa’s forehand was ferocious and Nole tamed it!


jane Says:

mat4 and wog boy, loving those analyses.


jane Says:

yeah margot, that’s just with the latest update. that’s why i said a “smidgen’ since it’s only by 70 points.


Tom Says:

Glad No1e won and expected it in his current form. Nadal has fought him off on clay for years but this may finally be the year for No1e in Paris (probably would have been in 2011 but Roger ruined the party). Rafa just can’t sit back and be defensive, but given No1e’s current form, he just doesn’t look like he can beat him. Only thing that bothers me is the PD’s, steroids, etc. talk by bitter Nadal fans has started on other pages. Let’s not use that excuse especially given how long No1e has been in great form. Like I said before, this is Rafa’s Super Bowl for the rest of his career given that is losing to players outside the Top 4 on others surfaces now consistently.


Gordon Says:

Nole could beat Rafa in straight sets in Barcelona, Madrid and Rome this year and Rafa would still be the favourite in Roland Garros. Until Djokovic beats Rafa in Paris Nadal will still be considered the king of clay.


Wog Boy Says:

^^Tha’s about right.


Hippy Chick Says:

It will be a long time till we have a new KOC, granted we might have a new champion,but it will be a long time before a player surpasses Rafas CC records….


mat4 Says:

@Margot:

Novak hits harder than he did. The, the clay seemed to be heavy, and it helped him against Rafa’s spin today. With his new racquet, by Rafa’s own words, he has more spin and less precision. Perhaps that was the key of this match.

Rafa, whatever he says, is in great shape. I watched the match against Raonic, and he was most of the match the better player. Now I read that he was “phantomatic”. Yesterday — I watched only the first set — he was very good against Ferrer, while he played a bit shaky against Isner, but against a big server, it’s always the same.

Anyway, why always excuses? When Novak was shaken to the bones, played subpar, and engaged Boris Becker because he was too nervous in big occasions, there weren’t half the talk Rafa generates now. Federer had problems with his back in 2013, and nobody had a charitable word for him.

It is what it is. One can’t always be at 100%, sometimes one is at 95%. But let’s give credits to the player who has won. He deserves them.


jane Says:

i agree gordon. nadal is the favourite on clay and the king of clay. and frankly, even if novak wins roland garros, it won’t change rafa’s clay court records, as hippy notes.

i read this stat (not sure if it’s correct but…) which shows just how hard it is to beat nadal on the surface:

“That was Novak’s 5th win vs Rafa on clay. Gaudio had 3, Federer and Ferrer 2 each. No one else has more than one.”


Hippy Chick Says:

Tom who are these Rafa fans here trashing Nole,i think we have all been pretty gracious in defeat?….


Margot Says:

@Gordon
Nadal’s record of 9, isn’t it, RGS makes him the “King of Clay” whatever happens.
But the present is looking a bit like smoke and mirrors to me. Nole was clearly the better player in this tournament and yet Sean still went with Rafa.
Until I see clear evidence that Rafa is playing at a much higher level than the current one, and Nole is playing at a much lower, then I’m gonna favour Nole.


Hippy Chick Says:

Mat4 i dont think any of the Rafa fans have made excuses,weve all been pretty gracious,anyway Rafa had no buisness losing to Raonic he had MPs most unusual for him to lose from that position….


Wog Boy Says:

HC,
Next King of clay doesn’t have to surpass Rafa, just to dethrone him.


Hippy Chick Says:

Wogboy as the saying goes one swallow doesnt make a summer,Rafa beat Fed at W,but i never wouldve said W has a new grass court king because of it,granted new champion,and i would leave it at that ;)….


mat4 Says:

Slow down, all. The margins in the Novak-Rafa matches are very slim.

Then, the FO is far from today. A lot of tournaments have to be played. Then, they are not int the FO final yet. A Berdych – Wawa final is quite possible.

Novak has a good chance of winning (about 30%), Rafa also (about 35%), Roger about 10%, Berdych about 10%, Wawa about 5%, if we used tennisabstract forecast numbers. So, let’s wait and see.


Okiegal Says:

@madmax..

What did I say that was funny? Just curious……
When I’m trying to be funny, no one ever says anything…..and I think I am funny sometime. But when I’m being serious I get accused of being funny….splain yourself Max! :)


mat4 Says:

@Alison:

I had a look at a few articles in the French and English-speaking press.

Only Okie and you are here, and you didn’t make excuses. You did even more than you had to, being very gracious. It’s very OK not to be always gracious from my point of view.


Wog Boy Says:

Nobody is saying that new King will be beterr than old one, he will be just a new King, the old one will be best ever King but we will have a new one, not as good as the old one but nevertheless new one, like in a real life monarchy, you leave in one of them and actually me too, Australia recognizes Queen Elizabeth as it’s own.


jane Says:

mat4 “The margins in the Novak-Rafa matches are very slim.”

yes, precisely. anyone who watched today knows it. those 2 games at 3 all turned momentum and that was it in each set.

let’s just slow down. the french is a long ways away. no need to leap ahead. anything can happen.

right now i am just enjoying nole’s good form and recalling a highly competitive match.


mat4 Says:

@Alison:

The Rafa-Raonic thing happens often against a big server. You can’t always win. Novak recently lost once again to Karlovic, and he lost twice to Isner.

But it doesn’t mean that Rafa was not playing well.


Gordon Says:

I made a mistake in my earlier comment, so I’ll make the point another way. Nadal could lose in the first rounds of Barcelona, Madrid and Rome but he will still be considered the favourite at Roland Garros. As long as he is the defending champion at that event don’t expect to see many experts pick anyone but him to win the French Open. Once he does lose then the bloom will truly be off the rose. But until then he still has a veneer of invincibility at that event, and rightfully so.


Wog Boy Says:

mat4,

I am not saying Nole will be new King just that eventually there is always new King coming after old one.
Off to bed, it is 3am and BTW, some posters wanted you to explain the why La Monf is not Le Monf?


Okiegal Says:

@Daniel….

Thanks, after your explanation I think I remember someone telling me this before, I know I’ve asked. After my little stroke, short term memory very bad, no?? I see what you’re saying. I sort of wish he’d try something different, but probably to late in his career to make a drastic change. Appreciate your response! :)


mat4 Says:

@Wog Boy:

No particular reason, except that “La Monf” sounds a bit like “La meuf”… But it is all speculation.


Hippy Chick Says:

Mat4 i cant even comment much on the match as i didnt see it,but by the sound of it Rafa was fine its just Novak was much better,i TRY,TRY,TRY always to be gracious in defeat,especially when you follow a football team thats as rubbish as mine believe me you get used to it,its just sometimes some people on this rotten bloody forum make me feel ungracious and it might come out in my posts unintentionally i might add,anyways congrats again,and best of luck for the final,although i doubt he will need it,as Berdych is practice fodder for the top guys….


jane Says:

novak hasn’t played tomas on clay since 2013 rome. novak lost that match.


Hippy Chick Says:

One or two Novak fans said at the time Novak tanked that match to save himself for RG….


sienna Says:

Nadal will fight back.

its hard to believe he will just role over and stay down. Maybe this loss has kicked him into gear.

novak is cleaning out at the moment….
but it is to soon…..


Daniel Says:

USO North America swing 2013 was the closest to baseline he have ever played and it payed off, he won all tourneys. But seema he has to be oozing qith confidence to play that way.

Also I think the main intangible in RG is the sun. If it’s a sunny day, hard to see Nadal losing.
He lost to Soderling in a dump day. Djoko had that great strecth in 2012 under light rain and Today which was one of the most loopsided score between them on clay had almost no sun. Djokonplay better in the shadow whereas Nadal likes sun.


Okiegal Says:

Umm…..@mat4…….Now we are too overly gracious…..All righty then, I’ll try to make my kudos a little less gracious……How about you, Chick?? I, like Rafa, can’t say anything right! Lol

No excuses here for the loss today……He got beat, pure, plain and simple!!


Hippy Chick Says:

Okie right kid lol,i think we are on our own anyway,we seem to be the only Rafa fans around,its pretty lonely here ATM,maybe its what people want anyway,a Rafa fan free forum….


wilfried Says:

Congrats to all Nole fans.
Fully enjoyed this match and match-up between twwo all time greats.
Spectacular tennis at times from both players, who seem both already in excellent form.


chris ford1 Says:

Just what is the 1st battle in the 2015 War on Clay between Nole and Rafa. Way too early to tell who prevails.
But it is truly high stakes – Rafa bases his whole season around Euro Clay and getting “His” points. Novak has threatened his Clay Bastion before, but Rafa has held.
Novak, obviously – is still vulnerable to some other clay players than Rafa, even if he is the 2nd best clay player of the era. but the only one with a decent shot of taking down Nadal on slow clay. But he is still the hunter. Who wants to take over the H2H, is chasing Rafa in most Masters won, trying to break the tie for most Masters in a year, to make his status as #1 all but unassailable in 2015, And hopefully another “ultimate challenge” awaits at Roland Garros. With a well-deserved career Slam for Djokovic on the line.

Novak, this Sunday, will be:

5,000 points ahead of Federer
7,000 points ahead of Murray
8,000 points ahead of Rafa.


chris ford1 Says:

2004-07 – Age of Federer
2008 – Age of Nadal starts
2009- Resurgence of Fed as Nole and Rafa wreck each other in Madrid.
2010 – Age of Rafa resumes.
2011 – The Era of Nole starts.


Okiegal Says:

@Chick…..I think you are on to something……are we the Last of the Raficans? Lol I watched that movie last night, was fresh on my mind. Daniel Day Lewis was so good. I watch it every time it’s on.

I do notice that sometime on this forum Rafa won’t even be in the conversation and boom baby a poster will pop up and start making snide remarks about him. It’s like that’s the only reason they’re even involved on this site is to berate Rafa…..Oh, well, whatever. It’s all about Novak now, leave it at that and move on……Rafa the fav at RG…not sure about, Barcelona, Madrid…….


jane Says:

thanks wilfred. great match, as you said.


mat4 Says:

@Okiegal:

Don’t twist my words. I meant to give a compliment. Don’t forget that I am not always at ease in English, and in this case my heart was pure and my soul immaculate…

What I think about the match-up, I wrote it: the margins are slims, and there is place for both players to improve. For me, Rafa is still the favourite every time he plays on TB, but this match, while not very important game wise, could be very important on a psychological level. But pay attention: … could be… Before now and RG, a lot of water will flow under the bridge.


Okiegal Says:

@mat4……Sorry, I took that all wrong. I didn’t intend to twist your words, I honestly thought that was what you meant…..moving on!


mat4 Says:

@Okiegal:

This time, you’re too nice! You don’t have to be sorry, this is a written text, where most of the time a lot of things remain unclear, out of any context.

I learned to know a bit about HC and you, I respect you both and try to be… ahhh… how to say it? nice? But sometimes, misunderstandings happen. It’s all OK.


Hippy Chick Says:

I meant what i said,im not one to bail when the going gets tough,ive been here since 2011,through Rafas 7 defeats at the hands of Nole,through the early defeats at W from Rosol and Darcis,through all the sarcastic and nasty comments hes suffered when injured etc,the way he walks,talks,eats,drinks,wheres a suit,his haircuts,his endorsements,sweats the list goes on,everything he says or does gets pulled apart of held under scrutiny….


Hippy Chick Says:

Mat4 yes but you do have to be sorry sometimes though,sometimes you say things that get misinterpreted and all hell breaks loose,one innocent comment i made the other day saying i was glad Andy didnt go down the OK/Hello magazine root,and i was given short shrift about Novak and how he had donated his fee from a magazine to his foundation,and i wasnt even talking about Novak,some people dont seem to want to except that some of us might have a difference of opinion about some things….


Nithish Says:

congrats novak on the victory


madmax Says:

Okiegal Says:
@madmax..

What did I say that was funny? Just curious……
When I’m trying to be funny, no one ever says anything…..and I think I am funny sometime. But when I’m being serious I get accused of being funny….splain yourself Max! :)

April 18th, 2015 at 12:58 pm

Oki! I wrote the comment in capitals, as you did! I thought you would get the joke, but you didn’t!

That was all! You made me smile, when you wrote your comment in capitals – here –

Okiegal Says:
@madmax……..I try to be realistic in any situation……Novak is just the better atm. I want to make this clear…..I KNOW RAFA IS THE FAVORITE AT RG!!!

April 18th, 2015 at 11:44 am

Chill Oki.

Enjoy the fact that Rafa, it seems, has confidence back and now he knows where Novak’s game is, I am sure he will work on a) his serve b) his drop shot and c) ensure he wins RG in rafa style!


KatH Says:

Oh Lordy!!!
I think I’m going to look for that Irishman “Murphy”.


Okiegal Says:

@madmax

Oh, okay. I did put it in large caps for you, but I didn’t do it to be funny! But, hey, that’s great, if I can make someone smile, unintentionally, that’s a good thing!! Cheers, Max! Thanks for the condolences……I wasn’t really shocked by Novak’s victory today, he’s the man to beat atm!!


Okiegal Says:

@mat4

I do forget about the language barrier aspect on this forum. Things can get misconstrued at times. I’m glad you think I’m nice. I’d rather be an overbearing nice person than an overbearing hateful sour puss…..just saying!


Michael Says:

Wilfried @ 3.07 am,

Great analysis !! Keep it up !!

You have a fair point. Novak is comfortable even with Rafa’s first serves and he once again showed it in yesterday’s match.

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