Nadal v. Djokovic in Paris Semifinal Showdown
by Sean Randall | November 14th, 2009, 12:25 am
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It’s not the matchup I had expected, but it’s matchup we all want to see, that is Rafael Nadal and Novak Djokovic locking up in the semifinals Saturday at the Paris Indoors.

Earlier today Djokovic survived a game effort from upset-minded Robin Soderling defeating the Swede in three sets 6-4, 1-6, 6-3.

Nadal did his part fending off poor start to turn away Jo-Willy Tsonga 7-5, 7-5.

While I picked Soderling on whim to beat Novak, I really though Tsonga would get past the Spaniard, and he nearly did. But once JW blew what seemed to be about a half dozen break points early in the match the mistake-riddled Frenchman was never in it thereafter. Nadal held his ground and after two harrowing escapes in the first rounds had a mild breather of match today.

The loss by Tsonga clinched a London spot for Fernando Verdasco, and while Soderling is left as the No. 9 alternate I have a feeling he’ll be seeing some playing time in two weeks!

In the other semifinal, my man Gael Monfils plays the worm, Radek Stepanek. Monfils advanced after a tough tussle with Marin Cilic while Steps eased through when Juan Martin Del Potro retired with an ab injury down 4-0 in the first set.

With the Parisian crowd at his side I have to like Monfils here. This is his chance to really finish the year with a flourish and perhaps have it serve as a launching pad to a Top 10, Top 8 finish next year. Monfils fans can only hope and that’s what I’m doing.

In the main event, Nadal leads the head-to-head 14-5 having won five of the last six meetings, but Novak did win their most recent in the Cincinnati semifinals and he played his tough in losses in Monte Carlo and of course that epic in Mardrid.

“Probably he’s the player who’s playing better in this part of the season,” said Nadal. “He’s doing really good end of the season. It’s going to be a challenge for me and a good test. I know he’s the favourite on this kind of surface, but I’m here to keep improving and we will see what happens tomorrow.”

And like Nadal says, in this match I think everything is pointing to Novak as the favorite. The Serb’s been playing better tennis, he’s in form having just won Basel defeating Federer in the final. Indoors also suits Novak’s game more than Nadal’s and when you add the work done during the week to get to this point, Novak should be the fresher of the two.

But… I’m going to pick Rafa here. This is a really tough match to call but I think Rafa’s starting to focus on what’s to gain here. He knows he’s just four sets from putting some serious heat on Federer for the year-end No. 1 ranking and with Monfils-Stepanek to await the winner, it’s virtually just two sets to the title and his 400th career win.

Rafa’s not playing his best but the will he’s shown to win throughout the week has been tremendous and I think he’ll build off that and take down Novak in their match tomorrow. After the season he’s been through with the injuries, his parents, losing earlier in the year in Paris(!), I think he needs this win more than Novak.

Game on in about eight hours.


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240 Comments for Nadal v. Djokovic in Paris Semifinal Showdown

Janadev Says:

Sean,

Hope you haven’t jinxed Rafa by picking him..


Milla Says:

Nice article! Vamos Rafa!!


Giner Says:

“While I picked Soderling on whim to beat Novak, I really though Tsonga would get past the Spaniard, and he nearly did.”

You mean you’re 0 for 2? No way!

“and while Soderling is left as the No. 9 alternate I have a feeling he’ll be seeing some playing time in two weeks!”

What happens if more than one alt is required? What if one is needed in both groups or two in one group?

“And like Nadal says, in this match I think everything is pointing to Novak as the favorite. The Serb’s been playing better tennis, he’s in form having just won Basel defeating Federer in the final. Indoors also suits Novak’s game more than Nadal’s and when you add the work done during the week to get to this point, Novak should be the fresher of the two…… Rafa’s not playing his best but the will he’s shown to win throughout the week has been tremendous and I think he’ll build off that and take down Novak in their match tomorrow. After the season he’s been through with the injuries, his parents, losing earlier in the year in Paris(!), I think he needs this win more than Novak.”

I’ve noticed you think with your gut a lot. Do you ever second guess your reasoning when you turn out to be wrong? You always seem to dodge the questioning afterward.


Lenny Says:

Ah CRAP, Sean. Did you HAVE to pick Rafa? With your track record, I was reeeallly hoping you were going to say Nole. Let’s hope for a change you’re right on this one.


Duro Says:

Just to check in, so not to be killed by “i am it”.
Now I go to vomit…


i am it Says:

Duro, good to see you, bro.
Dj gets to serve first.


jane Says:

Duro, lol, yes, am checking in too. Will watch quietly…depending… Good luck to both, but I am hoping Djoko can pull through this time. It will be very tough against the fighter, Rafa, though.


i am it Says:

1st point goes to my man Dj, after cat and mouse at the net, lob, and touch volley.
2nd to Rafa, who hits a passing shot. 15-15.
if these 2 points are any indication, it is 50-50 match.


Kimmi Says:

mmmm serving well too Nadal


i am it Says:

easy at the same time challenging service game for Dj. 1-0, losing 2 points. the same could be said of rafa’s 1st service game, lost only 1 point.

both look good, but Dj cannot afford a lot of UEs.
the crowd is with Dj. he should play (with) the crowd.

those drop volleys and battle at the net have to be better.


jane Says:

Djoko needs to keep points short; whenever possible go for a 1-2 punch. Longer rallies favor Rafa of course.


i am it Says:

Kimmi, you better be supporting Dj. You know why.


i am it Says:

j., yes, true, but i am not afraid of longer rallies with rafa. i should be able to beat rafa in the baseline rally.


contador Says:

i have no livestream this week; just a score.

appreciate the match comentary, here.

no-ley! no-ley! no-ley! GO-ley!……


Kimmi Says:

i am it…I know. fed for # 1.

0-40


jane Says:

Take your chances Djoko = yes!


i am it Says:

let me tell you, j., this you win a couple of points against Rafa in long rallies, you rattle him and he will start missing.
Dj breaks in love. like that in long rallies. 4-2. love it.


contador Says:

yay!!!!!!! whistling, clapping! keep it going, noleeeeeee!


i am it Says:

i am beating you baby, and you are liking it.
5-2.


Kimmi Says:

Wow…Djoko stream rolling rafa so fa


i am it Says:

9 points in a row and 12 of the last 13 points for Dj.
looking good.


jane Says:

Nice and aggressive from Djoko today: I am impressed so far. Mind you, he has to be careful because Rafa has lost some first sets this week and still got through. Keep it clean Novak! GO!


Kimmi Says:

Djokoooooo ! Rafa needs to go to the FH now..Djoko BH is hurting Rafa


rose Says:

double break for novak..he has this set and i think the match …


Kimmi Says:

Djoko in the ZONE


Duro Says:

Oh boy… I can’t believe my eyes!


i am it Says:

i am loving it the way Dj opens the court and boom BH down the line. another triple break point for our man. Dj-rafa fight is better than fed-rafa’s.
13 points in a row for Dj.
twice broke in love and runs with the set.

Woot, woot, j.


jane Says:

Woot! Is right. Nice play, beautiful tennis.


been there Says:

:)…..BUUUT, it ain’t over till last point. The Rafa I know can always come back…so Djok must continue same strategy. I’m confident (*clears throat*) that Djok will not go on a mental walkabout against Rafa. Concentration all through is necessary.


Daniel Says:

Wow!!! Djoko won the last 14 points of the match to win 6-2. Unbeliavable!!!


contador Says:

yay!…nolee, ole, ole….what a boost for DJ if he can take fed is basel and rafa here! our new #1..

he must not be too tired!

one more set…c’mon noleeee


rose Says:

too bad novak started playing amazingly after the usa open …otherwise the way he is playing lately would of guarantee him a grand slam for sure..hopefully he can come back the same next season and have a shot to the Australia open..


Daniel Says:

Guys let’s face it, as much as Nadal has his moments the kind of tennis Djoko is showing is how you should play a tennis match. Just Beautfull flawless tennis!!!


jane Says:

Rafa tried for the early break there. Like been there says, Djoko cannot take his foot off the pedal against Rafa. Any opening and Rafa will seize it. He lives by carpe diem.


i am it Says:

Dj faces deuce because he took it too loosely. he cannot be doing that. he better avoid the drop volleys if you cannot hit perfect. he barely holds in the 2nd set opener. Just OK. keep it going, son. don’t slow down. stay focus. don’t start celebrating yet, long way to go !


Daniel Says:

Djoko’s performance is resamblimg Fed in the old years, when he went for the balls and everything was clicking. Pure attacking tennis in it’s best!


Daniel Says:

Djoko is in cloud 9….


Kimmi Says:

This is looking to be a DelPo & Cilic score line.


jane Says:

Rafa is making errors he shouldn’t here. Djoko too good, as the commentators said. Djoko in crush mode.


i am it Says:

Dj is doing it, 3rd triple break point for Dj.
breaks again in love. 2-0 and will be serving for 3-0. Hold here. Go Dj !


rose Says:

poor nadal struggling on his serve..this will be a quick set..good for novak..im surprise that with the amount of tennis he has been playing , his body is holding on pretty well.


jane Says:

Well Djok needs to just hold. That’s all. HOLD.


contador Says:

ohhhhh, i wish i could SEE this match!!

nolee seizing the moment, the day…..don’t let up, nolee! c’mon


jane Says:

rose, major kudos to Djoko’s new fitness coach. The results since last May have been remarkable. I think Djok knows this is his time; he’s feeling it!


Kimmi Says:

OK..Rafa go to djoko BH, he is getting spanked. Go to Djoko FH..even more spanking..what can he do now ?


i am it Says:

Dj has to avoid UEs. so far, so good. stay focus. get the 1st serve in. attack corners. Pull the trigger as soon as you get a chance, like those 2 FH cross court deep in the corner. Dj leads 3-0.


Daniel Says:

jane,

Relax, a player of his calber when hit this stride they just don’t lose it suddenly. If it was a close match with several rallies it would be logical to worry. But the way he is playing noway Nadal will fight back.
He is not even running everyball anymore, such a bea down he is tacking.


jane Says:

contador, I haven’t seen Djoko play with such confidence in a while. It is a great match from that perspective: very aggressive and clean tennis, like Daniel said.

I have to thank i am it for cajoling me into waking up. ; )


Rain Says:

^____^

rafa is the best tennis player… AFTER Djokovic :)

and btw this guy SEAN RANDAL – did he ever gets it right?

i think that i looked 4 matches that he proclaimed the winner – and HE ALWAYS MADE A WRONG CHOICE!

anyway, Nole is showing how to play top tennis, and AT THE MOMENT he is the player that shows best tennis, better than Rafa and that douche who is no1…


i am it Says:

yes, j., Dj is “feeling it.” in baseline rallies, Dj wins what 20-7?


Daniel Says:

First return Djoko misses in what 5 games…


Kimmi Says:

ha ha ha Rafa got one point and SCREAM ..VAMOS


rose Says:

well at least nadal wont get bagel in this set :)..


i am it Says:

Wow, that FH short wide angle from Dj, priceless. another down the line FH after a short rally.
0-30. body serve.
Dj misses BH wide. 15-30.
another good serve. Dj cannot return.
30-30. 2nd serve.
Dj throws one wild long.
Game point for rafa. 40-30.
Dj’s BH down the line goes out by inches.
Rafa holds.
Dj should have taken advantage, but he missed the opportunity.


jane Says:

Djoko don’t lose concentration, like been there said, you must focus all the way through against Rafa. HOLD.


contador Says:

Jane- drew lilley blog on the paris-bercy website writes: “djokovic in a state of grace”

gave me chills…..

but we all know how rafa can come back. holding my breath here..

c’mon, babeeeeee, noleee


i am it Says:

Dj must hold here. that double fault in this 5th game and couple of errors in the last (4th) game show that he has slowed down slightly. he cannot afford to do that. another double fault. Dj gives rafa 2 free points. 30-30.
good rally. rafa throws BH long.
Game point for Dj.
And Dj holds, with a good serve.
4-1.


Kimmi Says:

Seriously..its going to be 6-2, 6-1


Kimmi Says:

OK..NOT


i am it Says:

Dj has to breakone more time. double fault from rafa gives Dj a free point. 0-15.
rafa anticipates well to return that passing shot. 15-15.
good serve. D’s BH goes wide.
30-15.
beautiful BH cross court and volley at the net from Dj.
30-30.
Rafa serves down the T.
Dj misses BH in the net. 40-30.
Dj misses another BH.
rafa holds, 2-4.


jane Says:

I just want him to HOLD.


i am it Says:

Good T-line serve from Dj.15-0.
misses next BH slice. 15-15.

rafa hits nice short wide angle. 15-30.

this is avery crucial game for Dj. he must hold.

nice volley followed by a passing shot from Dj. 30-30.

beautiful T-line serve. Game point for Dj.
though missed an easy overhead smash, but he did not.
Dj holds. 5-2.
4 points to wrap this up.


i am it Says:

s/b: though missed = thought missed


jane Says:

Rafa is so fast: must employ drop shots against him sparingly. It like trying to beat a sprinter.

Djoko – all you have to do is HOLD.


Kimmi Says:

OK..this is where Nadal starts to hit winners..finish Djoko


i am it Says:

Come on, Dj, you
sloppy volley from Dj. rafa returns well.
15-0.
Dj shanks FH in the net.
30-0.
big wide serve.
40-0. 2nd serve.
another sloppy volley does not even cross the net.
rafa holds.
Now the moment of judgment for Dj.
Hold, please.


contador Says:

3:08pm entry by lilley. and i feel like i am missing a turning point in tennis. sorry to sound so dramatic but…we’ll see pretty soon
http://www.fft.fr/bnpparibasmasters/2009_en/?ID=5649

c’mon…..serve it out nolee. this is your day, c’mon


jane Says:

I MORE PLEASE!!!


Rain Says:

ok now serve for the match…

can he do it? yes he can :)


Kimmi Says:

Congrats Djoko and his fans. he is really the man to beat right now.


jane Says:

THERE YOU GO NOVAK!! Great win!


i am it Says:

impressive 1st point for Dj.
15-0.
BH long from rafa.
30-0.
2 points to go.
rafa hits BH right back and it passes Dj.
30-15.

big serve.
double match point for Dj.
2nd serve.

he does it.
big victory. Congrats to Dj. and my fellow Dj fans.
i beat you, j.


Duro Says:

Sorry to put it this way, girls, but that was a rape!


jane Says:

i am it, thanks for making me wake up. Except I think I need more sleep. I can go have some sweet dreams now. NICE WIN!!! : D


i am it Says:

what did i tell you, folks, last night.

this is what i said: “We will beat the hell out of the squash player. we play tennis. he [rafa] plays squash.”

i am celebrating a big time.

XOXO to j., Sar, Duro, Contador, Kimmi, Margo, been there, and all Dj fans.


contador Says:

woot, woot and WOOOOOT!

novak djokovic’s got paris- Bercy ….maybe has to pass either the stepanek serve and volley test or the french crowd test with monfils. and yes…..nolee can!!

thanks for the match comments tennis addicts!


Daniel Says:

Well, for the Djoko fans, if he wins Paris (very likelly) and win London without losing a match and Nadal doesn’t win a single rubber he finishes the year as N°2. Too difficult, but possible!


i am it Says:

Go, Monfils !

so, i can get my final’s prediction right. Dj vs. Monfils, and Dj winning the title.

Sean, you owe us a nice article. don’t be stingy in lavishing praise for Dj. we love you, and show us some love.


Dan Martin Says:

Novak to my mind was playing the best tennis in the world from the Australian Open 2008-Indian Wells 2008. He can be #1. He can win slams. It is easy to look ahead too much as I would have expected a better fall from JMDP than he has produced and I expected a better USO from Roddick after Wimbledon, but something seems to have shifted with Novak (Todd Martin’s cerebral advice?). He is the form horse for now and may be the lead horse in 2010.


Kimmi Says:

Daniel..the way djoko is playing right now, he can do it I feel. i don’t see anyone beating him..maybe maybe the fed if he gets a good practice and confidence…but he is definetly the MAN.


been there Says:

Duro @9:34..I appreciate your joy 9:34..but surely, that’s a bit out of line. just saying….I know you’ve said sorry…but I don’t think that something like that has a place for humour, for both guys & girls. I don’t mean to be such a spoil spot. :(….neither am I a voice for morality as u’ll see in my next post!


jane Says:

Duro – I agree with been there; find a different metaphor.


Voicemale1 Says:

Great to see Djokovic play the tennis he’s capable of playing. Stunning today. He’ll beat whichever guy wins the other Semi, meaning he’ll have three titles going into the YEC. And he’s in the best position of his life to defend it. The way he played today, it’ll likely be either Djokovic-Federer or Djokovic-Murray in the London Final. Great stuff from him today.


been there Says:

ok, ululations all round for Djoko and a bit of relief for Fed for No1 fans.

:):):):)..that’s the megawatt cheshire cat smile that was being beamed by Djoko’s girlfriend. Did anyone see it. He’s getting some tonight…as he says, it’s better than a grandslam win! lol. ok, am off to clear my immoral mind.

Just to borrow from Duro’s song as congratulations:
Alleeeez allez allez alleeeez, Noleeee, Noleeee


Duro Says:

Sorry to put it this way, girls, but that was a making love without Rafa’s permission.

Ok, I accept it. Sorry! been there, you’re right. Does my corrected statement sounds more appropriate?


Duro Says:

been there, with a full right, you can use this one for today:

Alleeeez, allez, allez, alleeeez, No2-leeee, No1-leeee…

In Novak we trust!


Kimmi Says:

OK.i am it, where are the calculations..what the fed needs to do now? BTW thanks to Djoko for keeping the Fed no. 1 dream


contador Says:

XX-OO to everyone!! he he he and sting woot, woot woot-ing!

i still love the federer, always will. but..this day was inevitable. i will be surprised if anyone but nolee wins tomorrow.

nolee “in a state of grace” is going to prove unstoppable. always liked him; now really gotta admire.. he’s an ‘all court’ player too.


i am it Says:

Kimmi, i will do that after this match. please, have patience until then. thanks to Dj for helping out Fed.


huh Says:

HUGE CONGRATS TO Mrs. Jane, Duro, sar and other Nole fans! Djoko played really well today. If he plays this impressive for most part of the year, I’d find it hard to root against him, I love beautiful game very much and Nole sure knows playing this, he was awesome, unbeatable in Oz, he wasn’t looking beatable today either. It’s no wonder he beat Fed in Basel. I love Fed for his effortless-looking BEAUTIFUL game and Nole of late has been playing beautifully, not equal/better but at least close to Fed. I’m fortunate to watch today’s match. Mom and Dad allowed me to watch today’s match and that’s the fun part, I was lucky, hahaha! :) And hey did you saw the beautiful celebration by Nole? It was amazing… lovely…!
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“Kimmi Says:
Congrats Djoko and his fans. he is really the man to beat right now.”

Agree completely.
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No bad effort by Rafa either. Nobody thought he’d beat Tsonga, though I’m not sure why? But Rafa impressed and proved critcs wrong. He’d surely be back with a vengeance. And what a humble and nice sportsman ?! He ran upto the net and warmly congratulated Nole despite a bad loss, this is the spirit of a champion. VAMOS RAFA! Rafa fans can be proud of their guy!

And as far as Rafa downplaying his chances are concerned , it’s much better than claiming himself as the fave, morally and strategically. He has beaten so many guys so many times that he’s earned the right to say what he likes. Just because some don’t like it, guys like Fed and Rafa needn’t speak anything other than they’d like to. If you don’t like what guys say, be it Fed/Rafa/Nole/DP/Muzza, tough luck!
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Sad for DP however! :( Hope he soon gets back to his best form!


been there Says:

Rafa’s game: To me, he played quite well…certainly much much better than against Almagro & Robredo…i.e. despite the scorelines. Only that Djoko played in another realm.

So just looking at the whole week…squeaking by match after match (which is all that’s needed ‘coz when all is said & done, only a win matters)…..I can’t quite tell what is up with Rafa. He’s already match grooved & no injuries that we know of. I honestly expected a closer game. It’d would be good to know what’s going on.


Duro Says:

i am it, thanks for your congrats. Same goes to you back! Jane and Sar, what to say… We cheer for the best player on the ATP tour right now! Enjoy it and have some more faith, Jane! Sorry that I offended you :-( Will you forgive me?


i am it Says:

not looking good for Monfils. he starts badly, goes down double break points and instantly gets broken.

and the same with Step, who faces double break point, due to his UEs. 2nd serve. Step cannot hold. Monfils breaks back. to lead 1-1.

if the opening games are any indication, it is 50-50 match.

Go Monfils !


margot Says:

jane, indeed all Djko fans: Wow, wow, wow! Djko made Rafa look ordinary today. Haven’t seen him play like that for yoinks! Interesting how Rafa’s serve destroyed Tsonga yesterday but was so ineffective today because Djko’s backhand is such a strong shot.
Now for the second, might be a bit more competitive.


sar Says:

Sean said Soderling and Rafa would win. Let’s see who he picks for tomorrow.

I knew he was motivated but not this motivated. Great win. Gotta go watch Monfils/Stepanek.


Kimmi Says:

Aleeeeeeez..La monf….great gets


Kimmi Says:

Thanks i am it..waiting patiently


Twocents Says:

Nadal: Now, what’s this shit?!!! Didn’t you get Toni’s check?
Djok: Sure did. Big and fat. Thanks. And I delievered perfectly.
Nadal: You did fine in Basel. But here?
Djok: Toni said the check was for both Basel and Paris. Oh, there’s the FEDEX, must be Roger’s Lindt. Want some?


i am it Says:

Monfils breaks and holds to lead 4-2. momentum swings toward him. the crowd goes frenzy. i am liking it.
Go Monfils !


i am it Says:

Monfils holds, 5-3, and is 4 points from the 1st set.
so far, so good. according to the plan.


sar Says:

I noticed as Stepanek was walking out of tunnel to the courts Novak was there on the side to wish him luck. I guess they are friendly.


i am it Says:

Sar, you are right Dj is friends with Step. actually, he is friends with a lot of players, including Monfils. he is popular in the locker room, talks to every one, and recently Fed praised him for that.


Kimmi Says:

c’moon la monf, don’t give the lead away..HOOOLD


i am it Says:

yes, Kimmi, la Monf missed that easy volley at the net but wins the next 2 points and takes the first set.
Go Monfils !


jane Says:

Of course Duro. No worries.

Sar, when do Nestor/Zims play?

margot, yes, Djoko just playing in the clouds for the first set. In the second it was closer, but he wasn’t letting up. No way.

Amazing: if you look at the stats, Djoko only hit 4 aces, he hit 4 doubles, and his first serve percentage ended at 58%. And yet, he did not face one break point, won 83% first serves, and 62% second serves. And Rafa is a great returner. But Djoko’s shot making today was just fantastic. He finished off points over and over and converted all three break points. It really was a great performance; I hope he can play like that more going forward.

i am it – Monfils won the first set. Your predictions are coming true.


Duro Says:

Sar, firstly congrats on Nole’s impressive win! Secondly, How do you know about Sar planina dogs??? I am absolutely amazed! Are you a Noleland origin as I am?


been there Says:

:)…:) Monfils!…good to see Tsonga there. Stepanek can still come back I think…his serve & volleys are simply amazing.

French crowd simply the best…they even have a cheer-leader…he says or sings something and they all answer…then some rhythmic claps, waves & everything else that cheering is all about. Wish I was there.


Duro Says:

Jane, thanks. “I don’t wanna lose you…”


sar Says:

Duro,message for you on the other board.

Jane, Nestor and Z are up after this match. I hope it’s on livestream.


Kimmi Says:

bad bad bad..you don’t give a double fault on break point.

La Monf doing perfect right now


Kimmi Says:

monfils concentration is gone now..c’mon


Blank Says:

Will Djoko become world no. 2 now? If he wins, looks like he may gain a 640 pt lead over Nadal


i am it Says:

some of the Headlines of the day:

(1) “Djokovic Manhandles Nadal,” Yahoo Sports

(2) Djokovic Thrashes Nadal in Paris,” BBC

(3) “In-form Djokovic Outplays Nadal to Reach Paris final,” Reuters

(4) “Djokovic scores One-sided Win Over Nadal,” CBC Canada

(5) “Novak Djokovic overwhelmed Rafael Nadal,” writes Tennis.com, with a front page headline, “Let the Good Times Roll.”

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Monfils breaks Step in the 2nd set but sadly cannot hold, 2-2, could not save one damn break point. and lets Step hold, 3-2. you cannot afford to do that against the Willy Worm.
Monfils better buckle up here.


Kimmi Says:

Blank, Djoko will not be # 2 on monday because the YEC points will drop off at the same time Paris points are added. Djoko will gain 1000 if he wins but lose 1300.


Blank Says:

Thanks Kimmi. Didn’t notice that.


Kimmi Says:

Another break for la monf. Surely he should put this match in the bag now. C’mon


jane Says:

Here are Nadal’s thoughts:
“He played very well, unbelievable in my opinion,” said Nadal.
“When Novak plays at that level it’s very difficult to play him, especially on a hard, fast court. I’ve never played against Djokovic when he’s been at this level before.”"


i am it Says:

Djoko—9210, if he wins the title
Rafa—-9205, after Paris semi points

Kimmi, you are right, the YEC points from ’08 drop off on Nov. 16, thus
Rafa—–9205
Djoko—-7910, if he wins the Paris title.

if Dj defends YEC without losing a match, and rafa wins only 1 RR, he becomes No. 2.
Or, if Dj defends the YEC title, by losing 1 RR, and Rafa does not win any match, Dj becomes No. 2 by 5 point margin.

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Gooood news: Monfils is serving for the match.
Go Monfils !


Kimmi Says:

Nooo..la monf..Poor poort game


Blank Says:

Jane, Congrats on Djoko’s win!

Btw, do you know if YEC is going to be shown live on TSN or something?


Blank Says:

No one takes defeat in their stride as well as Rafa does. Got to give him props for that.


Kimmi Says:

Thanks i ma it. It just looks much better when you say it. Nadal will find it hard out in YEC and Djoko could well win without losing a match..he is the form player right now.


madmax Says:

Congrats to all novak fans! enjoy the celebrations – I missed the match live, but it is on record now, so am going to watch it!

Duro! you must be in blissful heaven right now, floating on a light fluffy, pink, candyfloss cloud, with a beer in hand! Novak has worked hard for this lovely people, and I wish all of you well –

commiserations for rafa fans, but you must be feeling happy that he reached SF’s and has improved. No?

Catch you later everyone.


huh Says:

Nadal:
“I’ve never played against Djokovic when he’s been at this level before,” said Nadal. “He played very well, unbelievable in my opinion.

“When Novak plays at that level it’s very difficult to play him, especially on a hard, fast court.”

If Rafa thinks like this, it surely must have been an incredible performance by Nole!

What happened to Monfils anyway? I’m rooting for him.

Where is sensationalsafin? Or is it devastatingdjokovic? ;)

I read Mrs.Jane saying that despite all his efforts upto now, he’s been stopped by one or the other from winning a Masters title, this means none deserves Paris more than Nole. I hope he brings out his best tomorrow too. Nole, very best of luck for tomorrow!
Go Nole!!!

Nole has perhaps now convinced Sean that he’s NOT/NEVER WAS the garbage guy, haha! ;)


i am it Says:

that was really sloppy game from Monfils. 5-5.
heartbreaking, nerve-wrecking.
Break back, please, Gael. you are that close. you cannot let that Worm back into the match.

nice timely lob from Gael. 30-30.
2nd serve.
Gael’s shitty backhand lift does not get the ball across the net.
big serve. thought it was in.
good challenge.
Step plays smart volley and holds, 6-5.


Kimmi Says:

Mofils is gone off the boil..c’moon


Kimmi Says:

huh: the way these two are playing when they meet Nole, they will definetly lose


jane Says:

Thanks to everyone, huh, Blank, madmax, for the continuing good wishes re: Novak’s win.

Blank – I was just checking TSN – the semifinals will be shown at midnight tonight (pacific) and the finals at 9:30 pm Sunday evening (again, pacific).


jane Says:

Oh Blank sorry, I just realized you were asking re: YEC not Paris TSN coverage. I don’t know about YEC, but I certainly HOPE they show some of it, ideally live.

Wow, Monfils kind of imploded there. Steps is tricky, no doubt. But Monfils was serving for the match.


i am it Says:

Monfils, come on, dude, hold, please.
30 all.
Gael misses BH and faces BP and set point, again.

i am sad that Gael lost the set. what a disaster !
Step wins 16 of last 21 points.
now, i’ve some serious doubt about Gael’s chances.

hope he plays better in the decider. Go Monfils !


been there Says:

A massive choke from Monfils serving for the match at 5-4 second set, combined with improved play from Stepanek means we’re all into the 3rd set. But that’s to be expected of a french tennis player (i think Gilles Simon is the exception). Monfils has only himself to blame should he lose the match. :(…shame on him. hehe…still love you though!


Dan Martin Says:

I am it – you are better than Greg Sharko!


Blank Says:

Thanks Jane. I just checked, there is ‘some’ live action.

http://www.tsn.ca/tennis/on_tsn/?show=tennis&tz=0


jane Says:

It true been there; Simon is the one Frenchie who gets *stronger as the match progresses. Surprising to see Monfils kind of collapse like that. He had it on his racquet and has been serving well also. I am growing to like Simon, only I don’t know if he has the weapons to win a major. You’d think that guys like Monfils, Tsonga and Gasquet do; they are all so talented but just not steady.

I didn’t know that Steps had played a Paris final in the past.


Gordo Says:

Well congrats to the Djoker.

And now Fed breathes a bit easier in his quest to be the only person other than Ivan Lendl to have been #1 at the end of a year, NOT be #1 the following year and then reclaim it again.

For that to NOT happen, Rafa will have to win the year end tournament, and here is what could still happen -

Rafa has 9205 points now, and by winning the tournament undefeated would get 10,705 points.

Federer has 9,950 points after you subtract his results from the year end tourney last year, so if he wins 2 round robin matches and wins a semi-final match he would gain 800 points and finish with 10,750 – 45 points up on Rafa. So in theorey he could lost to Nadal in the final and still retain his current #1 ranking.

If Rafa goes undefeated in the round-robin, wins his semi-final but loses in the final, he would get 1,000 points, giving him 10,202 points, meaning that Federer by winning 2 round robin matchs but losing in the semis would have 10,350 and finish #1.

Fed should send Djokovic a nice present if he does indeed finish #1, for today depriving Rafa what would have been an almost even chance to keep his year-end #1 status.


jane Says:

Thanks yourself Blank. “Some” is better than none.


i am it Says:

been there, do something. your man cannot let me down, not today, please.
but he starts his service game badly by losing the 1st point. not looking good.
he rights that by 2 points in a row. his serve is betraying him.
30-30.
finally gets his 1st serve in . Game point 1.
2nd serve. throws FH out. Deuce.
Big serve. Game point 2.
Monfils holds, barely. 1-1.
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i am it Says:

Kimmi, there you go. Gordo did the math for us. he is another reliable math guy around here.
thanks, Gordo.

i might do another one later, if i get motivated, expanding on your possible scenarios.


Kimmi Says:

Alleeeeeeeeez la monf break first. Great play keep it up.


i am it Says:

Dan, thanks for the compliment, but Sharko is Sharko. he is way better. i am no where near. but i try here and there. love stats and doing math.
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AND monfils breaks, and back to the lead. consolidate the break, please.


Kimmi Says:

Thanks Gordo. I hope fed will come sharp in London .More aggressive, he has been slopy at times. needs to get to the semi there…c’mooon.


Dan Martin Says:

Gordo and I am It – thanks for the number crunching – super helpful!


Kimmi Says:

WHAAAAT..and he gives the break back


sonic Says:

Haven’t seen Monfils play in so long i forgot what a colosal mug he is. No need to play the final really, just give Novak the thropy, if they merged Step and Monf into one player there would still be no chance.

Maybe if Sean picks Novak for the title he can jinx him so Novak will get injured/drunk/kidnapped or something, but that’s about the only chance the other guy has.

Curse you Murray/Federer/Potro for runing this tournament, we’ve had nothing since US Open.


i am it Says:

big Choke from Monfils, again. 2-2.
now, i have lost hope.


Kimmi Says:

Stepanek does really bad approach shots sometimes and monfils damps the passing shot in the net..oh dear !


i am it Says:

how the hell would you, Monfils, dump that easy passing shot into the net, insane !


sonic Says:

Gordo:

Fed only loses 200 points from lats year’s YEC, as he had only one win. So he’s 1150 to the good entering it.

Not like Nadal has a shot of wining it. Only if he gets lucky enought to play Fed in final, and some mug in the SF, as he’s not beating Murray, Novak, healty Potro etc.

I’d say Fed is safe for year no1.


sonic Says:

Aw crap, i’ve mixed up the rankings with the “race”. So Gordo has it right.

Still can’t imagine Nadal doing it as he is now.


i am it Says:

Sonic, Gordo has covered all those. and the Fed-Rafa difference currently stands at 945 points. Gordo is good.


been there Says:

jane, I wasn’t surprised at all..that’s why I said Stepanek might come back. If you want to see kings of mental midgets, look no further than Monfils & Tsonga. I say so ‘coz players ranked out of say top30 have an excuse to collapse, but certainly not these two. As you say, they do have the weapons to win big (especially Tsonga)…but when it comes to sealing the deal at the tail end of business, it all goes to the window. I think Tsonga is even worse…a few ppl might challenge this due to his win against Fed @ Roger’s masters Montreal with Fed leading 5-1 3rd set…however, both players had mentally collapsed, only Fed strangely collapsed more on the day, which very rarely happens when his serving out a match, & started playing too cute shots even for his own high standards.

>>i am it, am afraid I can’t do anything for Monfils…neither can Roger Rashid (his coach) if they had consults like in WTA. Nothing is wrong with his game, so he can’t be helped…it’s all in the head. He just has to calm himself down.


Kimmi Says:

Gordo: Sonic is right Fed will lose 200 point.

So he will be 10140 to start with.


huh Says:

HI GORDO!!! :D


Kimmi Says:

I am it; Gordo says: “Federer has 9,950 points after you subtract his results from the year end tourney last year”

With my calc he will be

10340 -200 = 10140

am i missing something ?


i am it Says:

Kimmi, good catch. give me 15-20 minutes. i will have my math up.
but the difference i point out is correct.


Kimmi Says:

I am it: Actually i also got it wrong.
He will start with

10340 + 10 -200 = 10150


Kimmi Says:

la monf…Alleeeeeez..here here now now break


Kimmi Says:

Wow..stepanek came with unbelivable volleys to serve break point


Kimmi Says:

cat and mouse game at the net…wooooowowo


Kimmi Says:

Yes..breeeeeaakkkk. Hold now hold.


been there Says:

The time of truth is here…question by commentator: What is Monfils made of? We find out in the next six minutes……


contador Says:

it would be nice if fed could retain no.1 until year-end. he had a stellar 2 grand slam wins. however rafa had a great run up until madrid.

we’ll see. one never knows about federer these days. does he want/need the no.#1? how much does he want to break another record? watching him in basel and bercy, i get the feeling he might be content to slowly slip down. i mean, how bad can he possibly want #5 YEC? who really knows…

but rafa has yet to get one YEC. and chances are numbered for him with nolee and delpo on his heels.

wow, score looks like i’m missing yet another great match. monfils just broke!


jane Says:

Surely Monfils should serve it out now.


Kimmi Says:

Two more points..


Kimmi Says:

ha ha ha stepanek is PUMPED UP


Kimmi Says:

YES YES YES…great win by la Monf. Congrats.


jane Says:

Monfils is such a rock star; the French crowd going wild. LOL Good win for Gael! Nice match, and exciting to watch for much different reasons than the other one.

been there, you must be pleased. :)

Sean, your man against mine eh? LOL.


Kimmi Says:

Monfils he is maturing. he is showing great resilient. Coming back from losing the opening set with Cilic and re-grouping after a poor lose of 2nd set today. Great work. Now go win Novak tomorrow.


jane Says:

I am truly happy for this final; if I couldn’t have Djoko/Murray, then Djoko/Monfils is a very good consolation. Djok may have his hands full, what with the crowd and Gael’s acrobatics. Should be wild. While I’d like to see a Frenchie win it all, I think Novak should have a Masters title this year for all of his efforts, so I hope he gets it.


i am it Says:

Congrats to Sean, been there, and all Monfils fans.

J., how did you like my prediction? 2 out of 2. 100%.
man, that was good.

and, yes, j. Sean’s man vs. our man.
Sean, make sure you are here tomorrow.


been there Says:

allez! *punches in the air* allez! *more punches in the air*…:) :)..:)…’nuff said!

French crowd absolutely unforgiving…they even go after the umpire & a lines-woman for calling a Monfils serve out as he’s serving for the match….those are hardcore supporters. lol. They are naturally crazy…add a huge of pumping from Monfils urging them to cheers even louder & you’ve got is a frantic excited crowd. lol. Absolutely love them.


jane Says:

i am it, you have a crystal ball or what? So what’s your prediction for tomorrow? How many sets? Who gets to hoist the trophy?


i am it Says:

here you go, Kimmi, Dan, madmax, and all Fed fans>

Seven possible Ranking scenarios, first 5 are more likely than the last 2.

(1)
Fed—-10,150
Rafa—9205

granted Fed does not win any and Rafa wins 2 RR and Semi at the YEC, he adds 800.
Fed—–10,150 + 0 = 10,150
Rafa—-9205 + 800 = 10,005

Add rafa’s 40 pts from DC, Rafa will be short by 105 points, and Fed keeps the No. 1.

(2)
Granted Fed wins only 1 RR, and Rafa wins 2 RR and semi,
Fed——-10,150 + 200 = 10,350
Rafa——9205 + 800 = 10,005

Add Dc’s 40 points, rafa’ll be still short by 305 points. Fed keeps the No. 1.

(3)
say rafa wins 2 RR, but Fed wins 1 RR,

Fed——–10,150 + 200 = 10,350
Rafa——-9,205 + 400 = 9,605

Add DC’s 40, not enough. Fed keeps the No. 1 by 705 points)

(4)
In one of the worst cases, if Fed wins only 1 RR, rafa wins 3 RRs and reaches the final,
Fed——10,150 + 200 = 10,350
Rafa—–9,205+ 1000= 10,205

Not enough for Rafa, after adding his 40 pts. from DC, and Fed keeps No. 1 by 105 points.

(5)
Say Fed wins 2 RRs, and Rafa wins the YEC by losing 1 RR,
Fed——-10,150 + 400 = 10,550
Rafa——9205 + 1300 = 10,505

Add Rafa’s 40 points from DC. Fed keeps the end-year No. 1 by 5 points. this would be the closet margin.

(6) another worst case scenario, say Fed wins only 1 RR, and Rafa wins the YEC by losing only 1 match
Fed————10,150 +0 = 10,150
Rafa———–9205 + 1300 = 10,505
In this, Rafa regains the No. 1.

(7) Worst of the worst, Fed does not win any match, and Rafa wins the YEC title without losing a single match,

Fed——–10,150
Rafa——-9205 + 1500 = 10,705

Only in the last 2, Rafa can deny Fed the year-end No. 1. Both of which are unlikely.


i am it Says:

j., WE WILL HOIST the TROPHY. i already said this last night. how many sets? i am not that good. i cannot see sets.
my vague hunch: straight sets for Dj, but don’t come after me on this if i get it wrong.


jane Says:

Okay then i am it; I hope & pray you are right. Djoko has lost 4 MS finals this year – but only to the very top guys, Federer & Murray on hard courts and Rafa on clay. So I hope, hope, hope he can get this one, no offense to Monfils fans as I truly love watching the guy!


sar Says:

Is this Gael’s first MS final?


been there Says:

@ 12:44 pm, add a huge of pumping s/b: add a huge dose of pumping

————————————————–
Looking to 2moro Djoko vs Monfils: Monfils has absolutely no chance against Djokovic. So early commiserations to me. :(…but the +ve, at long last, Djokovic will have won a truly big one this yr (I know Basel is being termed ‘big’…but imo, not exactly for his level..it’s just ‘coz he beat the Fed there so it’s made to big deal…so it’s just sentimentally big)

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Looking further ahead to YEC, I agree with others…Djoko does have a chance to win undefeated expect if he meets Fed, in which case it’s 50-50 I guess.

On the other hand, Murray frustrates everyone in the top10 quite easily. So for me, favourites are Murray & Djokovic…then add Murray’s playing at home…crowd support can just pump a player up at crucial points…especially the likes of Murray who thrive on crowd adoration.

Strangely, the two contenders for No1 spot are the weakest links…both Rafa & Fed are vulnerable to anyone…though as we all know, they can’t be counted out until the last strike of the ball. Yes, I know it’s hard-court and I know of how poorly Rafa has performed this week…but, I still expect big things from him…even with Murray, Djoko & Del.P. Perhaps am in denial…but Rafa’s a fighter.

How exciting! Anyone know when the draw comes out?


been there Says:

@ 12:59.. “win undefeated expect if” s/b “win undefeated except….” re Djokovic.


i am it Says:

Sar, yes, this will be Monfils’ first Masters final appearance.


Kimmi Says:

Thanks I am it: great work and hope the worst does not happen to the fed.

PS for scenario # 6. Add 200 for fed but Rafa will be # 1 in the end anyways.

Djoko has too much fire power, he will win possibly in straight set tomorrow. If it was Fed, rafa or murray…then its not as easy to predict.

i hope Monfils can make the match tomorrow and I will be rooting for him. Allez la monf.


i am it Says:

Kimmi says, “i hope Monfils can make the match tomorrow and I will be rooting for him. Allez la monf.”

yes to first part, but you cannot do the second, as Dj did some favor to Fed. you need to pay back the favor. don’t be selfish. you know i adore you. so stick with me on this one only, please.


contador Says:

i am it: you are unbelievable!

worst case scenario ain’t (likely) to happen – but i was skeptical about federer ever winning the FO.

i think muzza has a real shot at winning YEC, tourny being in London. and for the murray fans, i meant to say: rafa’s chances are numbered with nolee, MURRAY, and delpo on his (rafa’s ) heels.

it’s gonna be TIGHT!

nolee wins tomorrow, Jane. in straights- DJ will play like he did today. that’s my pick.

still grinning….all morning long!

so, if roddick or delpo are still injured, not hoping they are, but…soderling is first alternate, then tsonga, right?


Kimmi Says:

c’mon i am it, you will be killing me. la monf is just too sweet, you got to like him. 1st MS final..guy is trying his best to deliver big results. A lot of injuries this year….you see, all that and more. Are you still not convinced to cheer for this poor man tomorrow ?


been there Says:

Kimmi @ 1:17pm….we’re gelling well on this one. :)…however, am afraid H2H, fast hard-court (Monfil’s more of a defender), and a Djokovic playing at zen-level is a bit too much of an ask. To soften the blow, please receive these early commiserations like I already did to myself. :( …but should he win, it’ll be a party in Paris. Flight tickets on standby. lol.

Either way, it’ll be quite an interesting match ‘coz both of them are gymnasts. We’ll see some mind-boggling angles to & crazy ball retrievals. Not to mention a bit of La Monf show off ball-strikes to please 14,000 french fans.


contador Says:

kimmi, you are breaking my heart. i have a real soft spot for all frenchies. and i missed the fact that this would be la monfs 1st.

hm, nolee might have a soft spot too.

nope. if dj is gonna go higher, he has to be heartless slayer like federer and rafa have been.

get it over quick, dj! if it goes to three, the situation might get to his head.

nolee in straights


sar Says:

Jane, Nestor lost first set argggh


i am it Says:

Kimmi, if you cheat on me, i’ll break up with you:)
you cannot be drooling over every 6-pack abs. they are beautiful, but they are only to look at, eye candies. stay within the moral limit. there is this thing called fidelity, remember.:)

i am only messing with you. you can cheer for la monf as much as you want, but that’s not gonna anything………Read the Headline: Dj Hoists the Masters Trophy in the 5th Attempt !

however, underscore this: i never asked you for anything before. that should count.


i am it Says:

s/b that’s not gonna anything = that’s not gonna change anything


Kimmi Says:

i am it: *shake head* *sad face*
“Read the Headline: Dj Hoists the Masters Trophy in the 5th Attempt !”

will be a great headline, shows determination. never gives up after 5th attemp. Nole fans should hope for this form to continue in next year AO..he can win another GS soon. While I am hoping for the fed and Murray to stand up for the challenge.


Kimmi Says:

been there: commiserations are in order


sar Says:

I like Monfils against anyone but not tomorrow….LOL


jane Says:

sar, how is Nestor doing now? My scoreboard is stuck and I can’t find a live feed.

Kimmi, been there, don’t commiserate yet. Let’s wait until tomorrow.


contador Says:

sean randall: don’t make me take a reading comprehension test this morning….lol..

soderling probably will get a call and or tsonga. if delp now has an abdominal tear and roddick’s knee is still tweaked, let’s hope they take the time and get ready for 2010.

tired of retirements.


sar Says:

no live feed but nestor took second set.


jane Says:

Thanks sar – please keep me posted on the scoreline.


Kimmi Says:

they are winning jane, sar..now 8-2 in super tie break


Kimmi Says:

9-2 nest/ zim


Kimmi Says:

game set match..nest/zim

They are now # 1 in the race too..just overtake the bryans..great work .


sar Says:

YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!

Whew, that was scary.


i am it Says:

Kimmi says, “*shake head* *sad face*.”

that’s too short hand. please, elaborate.


jane Says:

Thanks Kimmi! They will play Robredo/Granollers for the title. I sure hope they can win. Woot sar!


sar Says:

Tomorrow Granollers and Robredo.


i am it Says:

Sar, congrats to you.


sar Says:

Yes, and not because I don’t care about Bryans, I do. This is Nesty’s one chance to get that Paris trophy. I will root for Bryans in IW when they try for that elusive title.


Kimmi Says:

i am it: I am just too sad that you are going to break up with me. I was a little relactant this morning who to cheer during raf/djoko but you reminded me what was at stake…of course Djoko win good for the fed. But tomorrow not much at stake and la monf is just too sweet. So I am hoping we should not break up..maybe just separate for couple of hrs then tie the knots again. please please


sar Says:

Kimmi, LaMonf is sweeter than honey but not tomorrow. LOL
BUT
If the worst were to happen and Djok lose, it would be OK to lose to him.


sar Says:

Going to a friend’s wedding now so see you all tomorrow after the match.


i am it Says:

Kimmi says, “maybe just separate for couple of hrs then tie the knots again.”

that sounds about right. we should do that.


huh Says:

Is it La Monils or Sire Monfils? ;)
CONGRRRRRRRRRRRR…….ATS MONFILS!!! The guy’s definitely talented and has some astonishingly good court coverage, and not too boring defensive, good overall. Could have been much better only if he made less errors. Anyway, he must be really happy for reaching his first career MS final. He has beaten Rafa earlier this year and is an Adrenalin guy, like Sean!
Defies common sense and goes crazy and passionate on the court. Some dislike this about Monf, but I love it!
———-

been there:

Congrats on one of your fave French guy winning! Who was the umpire anyway? If Lahyani, I don’t like him, huh! Gives so many bad decisions.
—————

Kimmi:

I see you’re very very worried about point maths for Fed’s No.1 sake, now come on, just chill out friend! Fed will try his best and hopefully be able to hold on to his top spot. I’d rather wait and not look into so much maths, done by experts. Anyway, as is often said, to each his own! ;)
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Madmax, Hi!
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So far as predicting the winner goes, easy to pick Nole as the overwhelming fave as Kimmi says. But after seeing what happened to Nole & Rafa at FO and to Fed here, I’d never be too upset about any further upset, be it here or elsewhere. And not having anything against Nole, but if Benneteau can defeat Fed, don’t count Monf totally out, he surely has a little bit of an outside chance. He is an Adrenalin guy as I said, and God forbid/unforbid, if he becomes fully pumped up, then who knows what’s gonna happen? Monfils can hit ferocious shots and with some extent of accuracy at times. Good forehand, strong two-handed backhand and great retrieving are a deadly pack of tools, which Monfils somehow seems to have, and it comes out at times too like 2008 FO semi vs Fed. Nole has to be prepared for everything. Anyway , I’d be happy if Nole wins, but if Monf beats Nole and collapses on court with joy, that’d also be a great sight. I’ve nothing against either guy, that’s for sure. Can somehow enjoy tomorrow’s match without freaking out about the result that much, that’ll be soothing for mind.


been there Says:

huh says:
“Who was the umpire anyway? If Lahyani, I don’t like him, huh! Gives so many bad decisions.”

Actually, the ball was out. 30all with Monfils serving for the match at 5-4 3rd set….Monfils rips a first serve down the middle line which is almost an ace but it misses a little….at which point the crowd starts to celebrate the ‘ace’…but at the same time, the umpire & lines-person shout ‘out’. The crowd starts to boo…the umpire holds one arm up, smiles and announces through mic that ‘it was out, it was out’ for all to hear. Monfils doesn’t challenge ‘coz I guess he too believes it’s out.

So the umpire & lines-person were correct…just the crowd decided to see it differently. I guess they reacted that way ‘coz their ‘ace’ has been taken back & 2nd serve could always mean a double fault, or Stepanek winning the rally point…to give Stepanek a break point.


been there Says:

huh, the umpire was Lars Graff…I think that’s his name. I’m not up to date with the umpire names…but I’m sure it’s not Lahyani. There were a few bad calls by linesppl…but thank goodness for hawk-eye. Also, I think this particular umpire got most of his over-rules good.


Mary Says:

The linespeople are tourny specific, right?


been there Says:

Mary, I should guess so. I noticed in Asia ATP & Doha WTA that they looked like locals..i.e. Asian and middle-eastern. Perhaps not tourney specific per se but country specific, such that a French linesperson is more likely to be at tournaments held in France as opposed to England or Germany.


been there Says:

But someone more knowledgeable in tennis-intricacies should probably answer more convincingly and/or correct 5:06pm.


jane Says:

huh, this is very well said: “Anyway , I’d be happy if Nole wins, but if Monf beats Nole and collapses on court with joy, that’d also be a great sight. I’ve nothing against either guy, that’s for sure.”

I agree, and though I’d like for Nole to have his first MS title this year, if Monfils wins his first MS title ever, I will be truly happy for him.


i am it Says:

j. says, “I agree, and though I’d like for Nole to have his first MS title this year, if Monfils wins his first MS title ever, I will be truly happy for him.”

am i alone tomorrow or what? sorry, i am confused.


Duro Says:

i am it, alone in what? Do you even dare to consider it?


Duro Says:

Jane, dear Jane… Benevolent to the core! Luckily, the athletes do not think the way you do. There would be no sport if so!

In Novak we trust! Remember it!


jane Says:

No of course not; I am rooting for Nole; hence I said “I’d like for Nole to have his first MS title this year”.

However, like sar, IF Nole has to lose to someone, nice that it’d be Monfils on home turf is all.

But definitely definitely, I’d like for Djoko to win and will be sad if he misses his 5th chance for a MS title.

This doesn’t mean I couldn’t see the sweetness in Monfils’ victory. It’d be like bittersweet, though. : )

DURO – LOL -I know, I’d make a horrible athlete; this is why I am an academic instead, so I can look at all the grey areas, not the black and white ones. ha ha. Still Allez, allez Noleeee!


Duro Says:

That’s the spirit I want from someone that supports Nole! He doesn’t fear anyone, so you shouldn’t too!

Alleeez allez allez alleeeez, No1-leeeee, No1-leeee…

In the end of 2010 Novak Djokovic number 1 in the world! Amen!


i am it Says:

Duro, you don’t count because you count too much, i take you for granted, and you are obviously in this together with me.
is that good enough?
but there are a few who are weather men, uncertain about where their head and feet should be (is there even an expression like that? i just made it up. sounds awkward, but should convey what i mean). :-)))


Duro Says:

No, i am it. It’s not good enough. Since you reproach our friend, I remind you of the same phenomenon that happens to you too. No compromise for me regarding favorite player. I can support only one player as long as he exists! No sense for me otherwise.


i am it Says:

Duro, so I am the bad guy, here?
factual evidence?


Duro Says:

Well, since I have to go to sleep I don’t want to do it without a special thanks to Maxi, my dear and devoted friend, who always has nice words for me and congratulated on Novak’s win today.

Maxi is Madmax for those who don’t know and she’s a girl. Good night, all.


Duro Says:

i am it, you will never be a bad guy. You are brilliant. This is my factual evidence. But you’re split in two.

I just want people to be fans of one player, that’s all. If not, it just doesn’t make sense. No passion otherwise. No passion – no love, no sport, no life, no nothing!


jane Says:

I will second that i am it – you can’t be a bad guy! You’re our resident math expert, stat guy and super tennis supporter. You know you’re kind of like me, cause you like Fed and JMDP and Dj. But maybe you’re clearer in who you support each match and you have very clear reasons for doing so. Me? I am messier.

Sorry, anyhow, if I make you guys confused, lol. I just love tennis and like so many players. But Nole is still the top fave, and with others behind, Murray close. Hence I’ll be cheering for a Novak win tomorrow and not a bittersweet Monfils one.

See you all tomorrow, fingers crossed.


i am it Says:

thanks, j., you know i was only kidding with you. it’s OK to be messier. i know you don’t want none of that bittersweet. i know you want nothing but all sweet. i know that’s just the way you chat along, play nice and smooth along. you are just a better person. and i am saying this honestly, with no hidden meaning attached.
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Duro, what kind of BS is that i am split into and i don’t make sense, i have no love, no passion, no life? that’s a lot of accusations, dude. does that make you feel better when you say that? that’s messed up, dude.


Kimmi Says:

Kimmi:

I see you’re very very worried about point maths for Fed’s No.1 sake, now come on, just chill out friend! Fed will try his best and hopefully be able to hold on to his top spot. I’d rather wait and not look into so much maths, done by experts. Anyway, as is often said, to each his own! ;)

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Huh, yes would love it if The Fed finish the year number one. And i love to see ‘i am it’ or others crunch the numbers and give us all possible scenarios. Its fun. I will enjoy watching London more when i know what is at stake, in every round. While enjoying the matches i can also play along, shout to The Fed at the top of my voice, and if i believe enough he might just listen to me and do well there..:) nothing to worry but its all going to be fun.


Duro Says:

i am it, it’s very simple, I didn’t imply that you are unbalanced person when I said that you were split in two. I was referring simply that you’re supporting two players in the same time. And who told you that you didn’t have no passion, life and love? That was my general attitude on being a fan of more than one player or team, or whatever, addressed to all, not you specifically. It was my call for more passion to be involved into it. It matters only if so. Cheers, my friend. My apologies for not being clear enough and because I offended you.


madmax Says:

Duro!

You are not well today my friend? get well soon! your favourite player has won! Enjoy your day and get some rest and sleep, ready for next sunday – YEC!

I watched the match today – without you duro – now I know you were ill in bed!

Huh! where were you too?

I am it! I said before, I think you are very special – your maths – c’est magnifique! and your commentating is par excellence mon ami!

But, like duro, I can only support Federer – as he does with Novak – but I respect others that have many favourite players – I just cannot split my emotions when Federer is playing – It is him and only him!

Goodnight everyone!


Duro Says:

Maxi, dear, I wasn’t ill and in bed! I didn’t feel well because of the extreme excitement and tension. Must be a blood pressure or something. My pulse was like 200 and I was filling dizzy. This Novak fan occupation is shortening my life! I still have a headache from today’s match. See you around.

Roger Federer and Novak Djokovic, two best players in the world!


i am it Says:

Duro,
first off, i was never offended and will not be offended by you.

Now, you say, “I was referring simply that you’re supporting two players in the same time….It was my call for more passion to be involved into it. It matters only if so.”

explain “supporting” and “in the same time.” [see mine below]

and you say, “That was my general attitude” [toward] anyone who is “a fan of more than one player or team.”

why would you have that attitude? because they don’t follow what you follow? how is yours correct and others’ wrong (no passion, no life and no love)? why would you want to impose your way upon others? why is this my-way-or-high-way attitude? what if they try to do the same to you, i.e. how do you respond to them if they tell you in reverse, you have no love, no passion, and no life because you support only one? would you accept that?

as for athletes go, i have been there. i had one player for 8 years and another for 9 years. i have had 2 players for 3 years and 3 for a year. i understand both sides: 1 vs. 2 (or more). i respect both sides and try not to make a claim that one has more passion, love, and life than the other.

one analogy: that would be like claiming specialized education is better than interdisciplinary approach. this claim cannot be sustained.

2nd analogy: rural conservatives say that Latinos don’t love America because they have split allegiance. generally, a false claim.

3rd analogy, humorous one: if you have one child, you show a lot of love, but if you have two, you don’t love either of them enough. generally false.

the point is: my passion, love, and life are not affected by whether i had only one player to cheer for or i had more than one. i just want you to understand that.
evidently, i am showing much more passion and love than most of those who claim to stick with ONE, by posting more in support and defense with stats, history, commentaries, and at times merely cheers.

“supporting” = i don’t support a player in any way, neither to become a better player, richer, and happier person: i don’t coach them; i don’t provide suggestions; i don’t run their businesses and schedules; etc.

maybe, when we say “support,” we mean “cheer.”

i cheer ONE player in a particular match. there is NO SPLIT. there cannot be split. so your assertion “supporting two players in the same time” does not apply to me.

mind you this cheering is not even real. it is virtual and has no impact on the player on the court.

Passion, love, and life (whatever they mean to you) for what? who is going to acknowledge them? Answer: it is personal. you define the way you want it, and get some satisfaction out of it. that is about it.

from this virtual cheering, i derive pleasure.
but again, if you go match by match and tournament by tournament, your favorite player is not playing in every one of them. in a 32-64 player draw, your fav. can play only 5 matches max, or 7 matches in 128-player draw. you are not gonna watch and enjoy tennis if your fav is not playing or loses early?

where do you fit in passion, love, and life, that you think you have for THIS one player, on those days he is not playing or in those matches he is not scheduled to play?

i understand that your formula may work perfectly for you, like it did to me, too, in those two periods of 8 and 9 years. but i just want you to know and understand that there is this other side, fans of two or more, that is equally passionate about their favorite. they too show strong love for their favs and tennis in general.

last word: i tend to love a style more than person.


jane Says:

Great post i am it. I feel much like you, and I think your analogy with one versus two or more children is a good one. Cheers. Duro, you should realize that we also have “love, life and passion”!! : D


devastatingdjokovic Says:

I am it, so do you prefer one player dominate another when you’re rooting for them? Let’s say Del Potro and Djokovic are playing in a slam final, and you’re rooting for Del Potro, do you want him to win in straight sets?

Personally, the only time I want a player to win in straight sets is if they’re playing Nadal or if I don’t care enough about their opponent. But, especially in slams, I’d rather see great matches. I wanted Federer to win the US Open and so I was glad when he beat Djokovic but I wanted it to go the distance. When Del Potro took Federer to 5, I was ecstatic. When Del Potro ran away with the fifth set, I was bummed. Sometimes it’s more than just rooting for a player, sometimes it’s really about rooting for tennis. Do we watch tennis to see people we’ll never meet earn millions of dollars or do we watch it to be entertained? And what’s the best way to be entertained?


jane Says:

“sometimes it’s really about rooting for tennis.” True, dd. I like to be entertained when I watch tennis. I mean sometimes I like to see great shot-making, and watching Djoko do that against Nadal in the semis was great, because he was just zoning in the first set. I used to never understand when Fed fans were happy after rout wins, but when I saw Djoko playing like that I had a kind of lightbulb moment in that I could relate to Fed fans feelings. ffffff. I can appreciate Fed’s great tennis more now, but at first I didn’t like him because I have always been a Roddick and Safin fan and hated to watch Fed beat them all the time. Now I see it more though. I get it. I love that aggressive tennis, when everything is clicking. But it’s not only down to style for me, because I totally appreciate the amazing defense of Nadal, Murray and Monfils, the counter-punching that sometimes morphs into offense; it’s pretty cool. Really, I have favorites, but I love tennis, so I like a good competitive match. It’s just more exciting.


devastatingdjokovic Says:

I get that. I appreciate Nadal’s ridiculous defense but I still don’t like him. I like Murray sometimes but he’s just becoming boring to me. I want some power. The one thing I can say I truly love about Nadal is that forehand. When it’s on, it’s just incredible. Heavy, fast, deep, renders his opponent a hopeless observer of perfection. Murray needs to develop a shot like that. His serve is ok but falters too much. As for Monfils, when he gets everything back against Djokovic, I hate it. But otherwise I think it’s pretty incredible, too.

Sometimes a straight set demolition isn’t bad if the winner simply played godlike tennis. What sucks is when the opponent plays awful tennis. Since we’re already talking about Djokovic, how about that loss to Roddick at IW? Roddick didn’t play godlike, Djokovic played like complete crap.


i am it Says:

DD,
“Let’s say Del Potro and Djokovic are playing in a slam final, and you’re rooting for Del Potro, do you want him to win in straight sets?”

No, in this case. i don’t even know who i will be cheering for, DelPo or Djoko, say in AO final. in absolute honesty, i hope i don’t have to see them as opponents in a Slam final. if it comes to that, there will be variables that will swing me to one side. for instance, if Dj is about to become No. 1, with 2000 points, i will support Dj. if not, i will cheer for DelPo.
i want to see a match like the Madrid semi but my fav. winning, as opposed to winning in double bagels.
that is not always true.
for instance, rafa always beats Dj on clay. say rafa has just bageled Dj at Madrid. in next 2 weeks, they meet at the FO final. yes, i’d enjoy revenge. i want to see Dj double-bageling rafa, with clean tennis from both, like yesterday when rafa had only 8 unforced errors in the entire match.

as for your: “I wanted it to go the distance.”

yes and no, distance does not necessarily yield great tennis, though it automatically carries more drama. sometimes, a 5 setter produces great tennis does; sometimes, it does not. i have seen shitty 5-setters, and high quality 3-setters.

however, i agree, “Sometimes it’s more than just rooting for a player, sometimes it’s really about rooting for tennis.”

yet, there could be matches, i may not care more about how it is played than a victory for a player. those exceptions do not mean that i don’t want to see a great tennis. sometimes, i enjoy great tennis more than my favorite’s result. i enjoy great tennis more when my fav. wins.

i interpret the win more as the win for the style (=style does not necessarily mean linear, one dimensional). for instance, i like aggressive style in general, which simply says, “win by hitting winners”; it does not mean “go bonkers.” it means controlled and timely aggression. further, it depends on the kinds of shots that you like to see and attach aesthetic value to them. combination of all these make a style. i may not find all the requisite ingredients in one player, which leads me to appreciate others. however, i conclude that this one player, or two, more or less epitomizes the style that i cherish. that’s how i choose my fav.

your last question: do we watch it to be entertained? And what’s the best way to be entertained?

yes, primarily we watch tennis to be entertained. also, if you play recreationally or as a pro, you also watch tennis to learn a few tricks of the trade or refine what you already know.
“the best way” thing is not simple to answer because people are entertained variously: from drama through crowd, personality, outfits, wins, loses, competitiveness, ties, no ties, variety, linearity, defense, offense, serve, footwork, antics, power, effortlessness, shots like volley, slices, spins, single-handed / double-handed backhand, lobs, down-the-line, cross court, short angles, baseline rally, on-court interviews, etc, or a combination of some, not the other.


jane Says:

Yes, that loss sucked in that I hated watching Novak right around then, after the racquet change, before he’d done something about his fitness, and after the fiasco at the USO the season before, which was one of the things that lead to a confidence slump, though the racquet contributed as it made him tentative with his shots. I was getting totally fed up as fan. On the plus side, I could cheer on the great form of Murray and the improvements in Roddick’s game; i like both Andys. But it’s awesome to see Djokovic just going for his shots again now, trying to add in net play, and hitting from the middle of the court to finish off points sooner – being aggressive. Djoko really turned himself around this year, hopefully it carries over to next season.


Mary Says:

Jane: How am I doing? I tripped over a squirrel this weekend. I have seen millions of squirrel, never having bodily contact with them. It was weird for both of us. It stood there staring at me long enough to ask if it was okay. It glared.
Anyway, I hope your weekend was drama free.

What a great tiebreak! TC skipped over some of the match, which is fine. Djokovic’s girlfriend is capital-Adorable.
Your guy turned himself around this season play and maturity wise. I find myself cheering him on during matches.

““Sometimes it’s more than just rooting for a player, sometimes it’s really about rooting for tennis.”
This!


Duro Says:

i iam it, my dear friend… You took it too much to your heart. That bothers me the most! You are obviously very sensitive, but all brilliant people are, I guess…

Lets see… When I was in school learning English, they taught me that “support” is the word! Now I see that “cheer” is more appropriate one. Thank you for that. Yes, I meant “cheer”. No other connotations!

When I said “in the same time” it doesn’t literally mean in the occasions when, lets say, two of your favs play each other. That is not what I meant. The fact that you choose one to cheer for when your favs play each other doesn’t change a thing! You still like, love, cheer for more than one player! Am I imposing mine is more correct than yours? No, I just don’t think that’s the devotion and love that a fan should have. If you’re a fan, no room for others! As simple as that! Besides, different cultures, different value systems. I come from Europe. We, in general, cheer only for one team or a player. Is it more immanent to a term or idea of being a fan, I think – yes!

It explains “love, life, sport, passion” part. You took it to much personally and it was obviously my general attitude on a fandom (I am not sure if it’s a right word) phenomenon.

I adore passion. In everything. No mild emotions in my life! No compromise there. You cannot be little dead, little innocent or little pregnant. You are or you are not! Without personal connotations I expressed my attitude that if you spread your affection to more than one thing, you don’t have all your passion behind the thing you support.

About your analogies… “one analogy: that would be like claiming specialized education is better than interdisciplinary approach. this claim cannot be sustained.”

What does it have to do with love!? When you have interdisciplinary approach and knowledge it means that you are well educated, but if it’s applied on love, you are “promiscuous”.

I don’t understand quite your second analogy.

“3rd analogy, humorous one: if you have one child, you show a lot of love, but if you have two, you don’t love either of them enough. generally false.”

False even related to our topic. Both of your children are one “item”, one category! But if you love equally yours and someone’s else, that would be a proper example.

“the point is: my passion, love, and life are not affected by whether i had only one player to cheer for or i had more than one. i just want you to understand that.
evidently, i am showing much more passion and love than most of those who claim to stick with ONE, by posting more in support and defense with stats, history, commentaries, and at times merely cheers.”

I just want you to understand that it doesn’t have to do much with your personal situation, if none at all. This was my general point of view!
How often you post doesn’t necessarily have to do with your passion and support, too. For example, I do not have enough time mostly! I even have quarrels with my wife all the time for neglecting my family obligations because of “damn” tennis and Djokovic.

About my “formula”, it stays for life! I can watch tennis, sure, but passion only for the one.

I tend to love style and person equally and in the same time. If they are not joined, no fandom for me!

Cheers, i am it.

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