Nadal Plays Badly But Wins at French Open, Roddick Survives; Federer, Murray Wednesday
by Sean Randall | May 25th, 2010, 6:32 pm
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One round done, six more to go at the second Grand Slam of the tennis season, the French Open in Paris.

I may have been on vacation the last few days but I still managed to catch a good serving of French Open goodness thanks to the Tennis Channel and ESPN. Here are a few thoughts.

First, for either draw there’s not much to pick and choose. The favorites are through on both sides and we’ve seen very few upsets.

Ernests Gulbis’s defeat has to be the surprise of the men’s draw. Gulbis had been one of the better players this clay season but as we’ve seen again, quite a difference between ATP matches and Grand Slam matches. Today, Sam Querrey, a winner in Serbia, also got bounced adding more importance to the notion of “peaking” at the right time.

Four-time winner Rafael Nadal knows that and today he got in a nice workout against Gianni Mina. No it wasn’t Gael Monfils but it sure as heck looked like him. The results would have been the same regardless. Nadal cruised 6-2, 6-2, 6-2 into the second round.

“I was practicing really well all the days, but I played very well three tournaments,” Said Nadal. “But, you know, first day here is always a little bit more nervous than usual. I think I played bad, but I won anyway, without problems, so that’s always important and positive thing. But I think I can do it much – a lot of better, much better next round.”

Andy Roddick hadn’t played a match on clay this year and for a good 90 minutes or so it looked like it. After dropping the first Jarkko Nieminen got his game on track and seemed to be headed for another upset of a former No. 1 American at Roland Garros. But Jark was unable to match his win over Andre Agassi back in 2005 as Roddick roared back to take the final two sets and win 6-2, 4-6, 4-6, 7-6(4), 6-3.

“You know, there was a lot of ugliness out there today,” said Roddick. “But, you know, at the end of it, I get to play again. So that’s that’s all you you go into a day hoping to get through a day, and I got through today.

“He [Nieminen] does a great job because he makes up for his weaknesses. Obviously his second serve is probably his weakest part. But if you take a crack at it down the middle, he’s so good down the middle of the court just redistributing the ball. So I was getting a little frustrated with that. He’s tough.”

Roddick’s fortune grew when his section of the draw blew up after upsets of Eduard Schwank the Tank and Juan Monaco, who were ushered out by unknown Slovenians Blaz Kavcic and Grega Zemlja, respectively.

In addition to Nadal, the Spanish Armada showed no signs of leakage at all in Paris. David Ferrer, Juan Carlos Ferrero, Fernando Verdasco and Nadal collectively went 12-0 in sets on Tuesday to waltz into round two.

Also today. Lleyton Hewitt posted an impressive win over Jeremy Chardy and Robby Ginepri stunned the weary Querrey 4-6, 7-6, 6-4, 6-2.

In the women’s event, Justine Henin picked up her 22nd straight win at the French Open. The four-time winner is just a victory away from a possible third round clash with Maria Sharapova, who also won today. Marion Bartoli and Shahar Peer were other winners.

The big story for the women was the continued televised collapse of Dinara Safina. A year ago the Russian was nearly unstoppable. Now she’s tripping over herself and her game’s in complete disarray. It’s almost sad to see. Today Safina incorrigibly squandered a 4-1 third set lead to lose to an ailing 39-year-old Kimiko Date 3-6, 6-4, 7-5. Date was suffering badly with calf/leg injury or cramps but somehow hung around long enough to allow Safina implode and give her the match. It worked.

“I mean, of course you want to win, and especially I saw her, she’s cramping,” said Safina who had been in the French Open final the last two years. “Then I just started to look at her instead of thinking what I was doing until 4-1. And then I just – I was more thinking about her than about myself, what I had to do. I lost the momentum. At least I started to play a little bit better. I just immediately get tight.”

Safina also confirmed that she has sacked Zeljko Krajan as coach and for the moment replaced him with Gaston Etlis.

As for tomorrow, the highlights include Roger Federer, Robin Soderling, JW Tsonga and Venus Williams.

Federer should crush Alejandro Falla. Soderling may drop a set but will get past Taylor Dent and Tsonga I think wins in straights over Josselin Ouanna.

I also think Andy Murray had his near-death experience already against Richard Gasquet yesterday and he should be fine for a few more round including Wednesday’s tussle against JI Chela. And I think my man Monfils struggles but wins against Fabio Fognini.

Not a great day of intriguing matchups but if the right guys win that should make for some better contests down the road.


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192 Comments for Nadal Plays Badly But Wins at French Open, Roddick Survives; Federer, Murray Wednesday

NELTA Says:

Skeez asked a question on the other thread about the conditions and I explained that when it is sunny and warm the moisture in the clay will burn off leaving a harder surface. A harder surface means quicker conditions which can be advantageous to some of Nadal’s opponents. However, the ball will bounce higher which is an advantage to Nadal against some opponents who have trouble hitting high backhands.

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Translation from Nadal’s post match interview.

RAFAEL NADAL: The sun. I love the sun. The sun is like happiness. When it’s a bit like a dull‑type of weather like this, I don’t really like this type of weather. When I play tennis I’d rather play in the sun. The ball bounces higher. When it was really sunny, I can tell you the balls are a lot lighter. Today it was a bit heavier, so I didn’t play really well.


Emma Says:

I don’t want it but I wonder if Falla might give Federer more trouble than expected. Weather looks bad and if it slows the courts up like it did in Estoril for Roger’s match against Montañes then .. well I don’t want to think! Obviously then Roger was going into that match in worse form but still, I’m nervous, as for every Fed match these days!


Kimmi Says:

Nadal loves that “ball bouncing higher”. He says “the sun is happiness”. It is his major weapon on clay. Almost everybody can’t handle the ball bouncing. Two handed BH tall players can deal with it a little better than one hander but still it is a problem.

If the ball was bouncing higher back to him, he would not have liked it too but fortunately no one can bounce the ball higher back at him = perfect scenario for nadal.


skeezerweezer Says:

NELTA,

Thanks for diggin that up :).

Interesting the surface at RG plays quicker in the sun but has a higher bounce. It is also very interesting he likes lighter balIs, not heavier ones. I wouldn’t think that but I am not Rafa. Is there any conditions that help a higher bounce AND slower surface? Ok… maybe that is askin for a little too much diggin…..


NELTA Says:

You’re right Kimmi. Hitting high bouncing(it jumps up at you) balls isn’t easy for any player. They are harder to time and control. Having height(Delpo, Cilic, Soderling) and an excellent two-handed backhand will make it a lot easier.


NELTA Says:

That comment was from Nadal’s post match interview today. Staff had the whole interview posted here on a separate link, but now it is gone. Can you re-post the inteview staff?


skeezerweezer Says:

Sean,

Yeah agree on Safina :(……”Nadal cruised……”

Yes he did.

Thanks for the article…have a great Memorial day week( even though its this WEEKEND ) vaca…..lol


Sean Randall Says:

Skeez, well, I celebrate a week early! Actually I was on a planned vacation but messed up the dates. We called it Memorial Day anyway.

Interview is on the front page, NELTA.
http://www.tennis-x.com/xblog/2010-05-25/4238.php

Emma, I don’t think Falla will press Roger at all.


Andrew Miller Says:

Which match was fun to watch? I will try to see it via youtube. Otherwise I will have to get up early tomorrow.


Sean Randall Says:

Also rain hit late in the day and may continue which could spell the end of the dry, hot conditions we’ve seen.

I’ve said Roger likes it’s slower, Nadal faster (drier) on the clay.


NELTA Says:

Here is the link to the interview:

http://www.tennis-x.com/story/2010-05-25/h.php


jane Says:

“the Spanish Armada showed no signs of leakage at all in Paris.” – Maybe today, but both F-Lo and Robredo were upsets yesterday.

Also, as mentioned on the other thread, while I am happy for Hewitt, Chardy just played badly today too, so I don’t know how to gage Leyton’s form based on this match. Would like to see another one first. Perhaps the “heavier” conditions hurt Chardy a little bit; he couldn’t seem to get his game working. He tried to rally in the third a little, breaking Hewitt, but Leyton broke right back.


Andrew Miller Says:

Chardy is such a talent! Talent without grit is..talent.


jane Says:

P.S. Hope you had a good vacation Sean!


NELTA Says:

We almost had a rematch of the 2007 NCAA singles championship, but Devvarmen lost his 1st round in a close match. I’m sure Isner noticed him in the draw and was hoping for a little revenge.
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Somdev Devvarman is a successful college tennis player, he won the 2007 NCAA Singles Championship by defeating Georgia Bulldogs senior John Isner in the final, Devvarman scored a 7–6 (7), 4–6, 7–6 (2) win over the tournament’s No. 1 seed.


skeezerweezer Says:

Unreal. So Mina was “chopped liver”? From the interview above:

“I think I played bad, but I won anyway, without problems, so that’s always important and positive thing. But I think I can do it much ‑‑ a lot of better, much better next round.”

Wow. Some of the respected posters up here thought Mina played well, but Rafa was just better. He is just a kid, a little respect after saying you played bad but gave the kid a beat-down by the score of 6-2,6-2,6-2?, no?

The French are “fickle” people, I wouldn’t expect Rafa to gain French fans after that.

I know he gave the kid “some” props but also said in the end he didn’t know much about him…..Oh well….”C’est la vie?”


Kimmi Says:

skeezer, dont forget only federer is the arrogant beast who does not give credit to his opponent. :)


midsun Says:

Nadal was just being honest. You know — like Federer is.


sheila Says:

i read these remarks from nadal, federer, or djokovic or murray and i guess i don’t read that much into it the way others seem to. some people feel federer is arrogant w/statements he makes and i don’t read it that way. then again i watched the season finale of “lost” and still couldn’t figure out what the hell happened other than that they were all dead. so maybe i’m oblivious to these arrogant statements federer makes.


jane Says:

If the quotes are put in context, they sound fine to me. First, the interviewers asked him how *he* played, and he said “I played bad”. And it’s pretty honest that he didn’t play his best; he hit more errors than normal and so forth. Then the interviewers asked about his opponent, and what he said was quite complimentary: potential, fast, good serve, only 18, maybe could get better from the baseline.

Q. What did you know about your opponent before the match? What do you think of his game?

RAFAEL NADAL: Not much. I didn’t know nothing before the match. I think he’s a good player. He can play well in the future, but you never know. Sure, he has good potential with good serve and he’s fast. That’s very important.

And later from the baseline I think he can play well, but we will see. Sure, how old is him?

Q. 18.

RAFAEL NADAL: When you have 18 and you can play, so for sure he gonna has his good chances to be in the tour very soon.

Q. Did you ask other players about him before, or did you just play?

RAFAEL NADAL: No, I didn’t ask a lot, no? I know him a little bit. I asked a few ones, but I didn’t ask a lot. I didn’t know a lot about him before.


Voicemale1 Says:

Nadal did play badly by his standards: he had to face down 9 Break Points in the match, Mina didn’t convert on any of them. But the fact Nadal played that sloppily to get to the stage of having to fend off that many BP’s is what he was talking about. Even with all that he only gave up 6 games in three sets. And it’s not unusual for Nadal to play roughly in his opening match at The French. He’s opened with 7-5 sets before in years he won the event. The good thing for him, and the bad thing for everyone else still in the tournament, is that he’s likely only to play better as they move on through the event.


Jim Says:

I luv Rafael Nadal — not sure I can take much more of his fans. Whether it is the altitude, or his knees, or the amount of sun, his fans are offering the man excuses – that he doesn’t want. Folks wake up — you are embarassing the man. He wants you to stop the excuses. He wants to win or lose. No excuses, just win or lose. That is it.


Skeezerweezer Says:

Jim,

Exactly and “Classic”. No excuses Rafa, Fed, etc. Win or lose. Roddick’s classic quote: “The better man won today”. ! But this is an “I” sport, isn’t it.

Wow., the Skeez got some heat! Thanks for the IMO’s, it’s all good…


Skeezerweezer Says:

Jim,

Exactly and “Classic”. No excuses Rafa, Fed, etc. Win or lose. Roddick’s classic quote: “The better man won today”. ! But this is an “I” sport, isn’t it.

Wow., the Skeez got some heat! Thanks for the IMO’s, it’s all good…But I still miss “Lost”


Skeezerweezer Says:

Double post my mistake :(


Kimmi Says:

What incident is verdasco NOT talking about, does anybody know? I read his presser and something seem to be lost somewhere…

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Q. Without giving us all the details about Sunday, with this season you’ve played, I think you’ve had some problems lately. Has this had an impact today?
FERNANDO VERDASCO: Well, the bad news always have an impact, not just for me. That’s the case for many people. But there’s nothing I want to add about this incident. What was to be said was said. There’s nothing I want to add about this incident.

Q. How do you feel today? Do you feel good?
FERNANDO VERDASCO: Yes. I’m fit.

Q. You look very serious today.
FERNANDO VERDASCO: No, you always ask me questions about this incident. I said I don’t want to add anything. I will not answer. That’s all. If you keep on asking the same questions, I’ll answer the same answer, and then I get fed up.


NELTA Says:

skeezerweezer Says:
NELTA,

Thanks for diggin that up :).

Interesting the surface at RG plays quicker in the sun but has a higher bounce. It is also very interesting he likes lighter balIs, not heavier ones. I wouldn’t think that but I am not Rafa. Is there any conditions that help a higher bounce AND slower surface? Ok… maybe that is askin for a little too much diggin…..
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Rafa’s heavy topspin forehand depends on incredible racket head acceleration. When his racket makes contact with a heavier ball it slows down the racket speed ever so slightly. Try hitting a topspin forehand with a baseball and you will get a very exaggerated feeling of what happens when you hit a heavier ball.

Federer will feel the difference too, but he doesn’t always hit a heavy topspin shot. You see Fed hit a lot of shots where he appears to massage the ball, almost like the ball stays on the strings longer. Examples would be his slice backhand and relatively flat inside out forehand.


Kimmi Says:

re:verdasco. Its probably that incident in Nice with the crowd, during the final..the booing and verdasco doing some childish things on the court. But that was saturday not sunday..anyways, if anybody knows thats will be great.


NELTA Says:

I watched a little of that Verdasco match in Nice. The commentators were hilarious. They were saying things like “What is he doing? He’s lost his mind”. I don’t know what the actual incident was.


Skeezerweezer Says:

NELTA

nice read, tx :)


Kimmi Says:

NELTA, i recall in third set verdasco was leading 4-2, he then played a bad game to be broken..he got really mad after being broken. I don’t know exactly why the crowd started booing but what he did was not nice to gasquet. he started jumping up and down and raising his hands as if telling the crowd..”keep booing, i don’t care”. gasquet seem to lose concentration and lost his serve.

So maybe the french crowd is remembering that incident. Unless there is something else.


NELTA Says:

That’s too bad Kimmi. I remember watching Verdasco play against Bolelli on center court in the Italian Open and I was saying too myself, let’s see if Verdasco keeps his composure. He was great in that match. He never gave the crowd a single reason to get on his case the whole match and the crowds were pretty tough in that tournament.


jane Says:

Kimmi, it sounds like what you’re saying about Nice is probably what Verdasco is leaving behind him, and that’s probably the best thing to do. Players have regrettable moments and they need to move on from them.

Skeeze, I certainly wasn’t meaning to give you any “heat” : ). Quotes are just easy to interpret differently. Sometimes I find if I read the questions though, it helps to see how the players were “lead” to answer a certain way. That’s all.


skeezerweezer Says:

Jane,

Always appreciate your comments. Well received and No worries :)


mandrake Says:

the night is darkest just before the dawn and i tell you the dawn is coming


Andrew Miller Says:

Gulbis is the new Safin – it’s confirmed! The wicked backhand, the undeniable talent, the scorching groundstrokes – and the fact they had the same coach. No use losing sleep over no more Marat – you have Gulbis.

From the the UK

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/tennis/atptour/7737319/Ernests-Gulbis-see-the-ATP-Tour-as-just-fun-and-games.html


steve Says:

Gulbis is pouty. Safin was tortured. That’s the big difference.

Safin’s meltdowns were truly epic. They were the expression of a tortured soul looking for tennis perfection and not finding it.

Gulbis is kind of emo, his attitude toward the game is “blah, take it or leave it.” He doesn’t so much melt down as just fold without a lot of fuss.

Sadly, there will never be another Marat Safin.


Fed Rocks Says:

True, Safin was one of a kind – Gulbis is no Safin.

Safin is probably the ONLY player I have EVER seen who could beat Federer even if Federer was playing 100% (if Safin himself played the match of his life, as he did at the AO semis in 2005). He had all the weapons.

Otherwise, when Federer plays 100%, everyone else is toast, whether it is a peak Nadal (except on clay), or a peak Sampras, or pretty much anyone else in history. All other players have clear weaknesses. Safin and Federer have none. Fed’s backhand is only a bit of a weakness, only on clay, and only against the 3200 rpm topspin lefty forehand of nadal. Safin’s only weakness was his volatile mind! But he was fun…


Fed Rocks Says:

BTW, has anyone noticed that SO MANY of the great players (of the open era, 6+ slams) have had one-handed backhands?

McEnroe, Lendl, Becker, Edberg, Sampras, Federer – 6 of them.

How many with two-handed backhands? Borg, Connors, Wilander, Agassi, Nadal – 5 of them.

I guess the difference comes on clay. Of the one-handers, only Lendl and federer have won the FO, while ALL of the two-handers have won the FO, most many times over.


madmax Says:

Heard it was raining at roland garros, just before I left the house this morning, but that it is going to clear up later this morning. Hopefully, by 11.00 a.m. there will be blue skies and plenty of tennis.

Interesting fact, Fed Rocks!

Federer certainly does rock, and let’s go rocking into this match Fed!!!! Go man, Go!

I thought Mina, did really well yesterday, no one gave the kid a chance, but he took 6 games off Rafa, and will certainly be something he can put down his CV. Imagine his nerves going out there yesterday. For an 18 year old, I thought he handled the situation really well.

Sar,

Your comment on novak. The cooler weather will no doubt help him -


its all abt da game Says:

@fed rocks,May 26th, 2010 at 2:01 am
you said when fed plays 100%, sampras cannnot defeat him..
that maybe true if they were from same era and were playing in wimby 2010..
however that would be false if they were playing in wimby ’95..
because that time the grass was much faster than current grass, and his serve and volley game would have won 55% of the time against roger..
and i think you mention none in tennis history none can defeat peak roger..
i’m no expert, but i can name some players who could have defeated him on grass, ellsworth vines being one of them..
vines can easily defeat roger on a wimby grass of ’95 and in wimby 2010, vines will still have a slight edge..


gannu Says:

Fed’s match has started any idea? I am out..wat is the score rog fans?


Kimmi Says:

falla is rushing federer at the moment..big returns.

fed had to save a break point

serving a 0-30 game a.t.m

c’moon fed


Kimmi Says:

federer unforced errors..oh no another break point


Kimmi Says:

holds but was a tough game


Kimmi Says:

falla is playing well..and seem to hold easily a.t.m


Kimo Says:

Soda dropped just TWO games against Dent, serving him a bagel and a couple of breaksticks!!!

Go Soda!!! It’s a shame you’re in the top half of the draw :P


Daniel Says:

Falla is playing great at the moment, hitting every ball on the rise.
Fed must cut down the eroors.


Kimo Says:

Do you know that the shortest men’s match ever (I think) at Wimbledon was between Roger and Falla? If my memory serves me correctly, three complete sets lasted under 50 minutes.


Kimmi Says:

tsonga seem to be doing a soda 6-0 6-1 so far..

falla is on song..great dropshots..federer need to tighten the screw


Kimmi Says:

c’mooon federer..falla is rushing him..errors

0-30


Kimmi Says:

15-40 federer in trouble


Kimmi Says:

broken..oh boy federer in trouble. and he has not seen falla breakpoint yet.


Daniel Says:

Damm, Falla doesn’t miss one ball, the only free points he gave to Fed is when he forces the return too much. Fed too casual on the drop to give a break and probably the first set to Falla. Who woud have thought of that?!


Daniel Says:

When the time comes he raises his level, and Falla felt the pressure.


Kimmi Says:

federer breaks..tie breaker

federer better win this..c;moon


Kimo Says:

Daniel Says:
When the time comes he raises his level, and Falla felt the pressure.

That was expected, wasn’t it? Must be nice to have an aura of invincibility :)


Kimo Says:

I’m just following live score, but Fed had more UEs than winners in that set. He needs to clean up his act.


Kimo Says:

Looks like Lacko is totally drained after his marathon five setter in the first round. Youzhny just killing him at the moment.


Kimmi Says:

rain..unfortunetly I have to go..Goodluck to federer.


Gannu Says:

Finally manage dto reach home.. feddy has taken two sets to love lead.. Good.. so i can watch him play the third set!!! Come on Feddy


guy Says:

the difference between nadal’s comments having no problems with an 18yr ranked 600 and federer’s disrespect is that federer disrespects top players, players who have proved their worth and deserve some respect.

fed rocks: nobody can beat a 100% federer? you must have blocked out the 08 wimbledon final, and the 09 aus open final. both extremely high quality matches where fed was defeated. also check out some nalbandian wins back at tms madrid and paris, back to back mind you. i can think of many others too. your statement is absurd, esp considering federer is almost never injured like other players, thus can never use it as an excuse for losses. but keep worshipping.

as for safin having no weaknesses, how about not being able to get the ball in the court some matches. that might class as a technical problem. and the serve could have been a lot better for his height.

btw if safin really did strive for perfection like people like to believe, he would have trained a lot harder and had a lot more focus. that’s what perfectionists do.


jane Says:

Kudos to Soda pop! I hope De Bakker beats G-Lo. Looks like Fed has this match wrapped up.


jane Says:

Also congrats to Cilic and Tsonga. Did anyone see Venus’ match and did she wear that same outfit? : /


jane Says:

Fed’s winners to UEs ratio has been good so far.


Kimo Says:

guy, Fed wasn’t 100% for the entire duration of the two matches you mentioned. In Wimbledon 2008 final, Fed was very nervous during the first two sets and didn’t play his best tennis until after the first rain delay. In the AO 2009 final Roger played very well for four sets then in the fifth, for no reason, just imploded.

If Fed plays his best he is unbeatable, but unfortunately you can’t CHOOSE when you play your best. On some days you can’t miss a ball, on others you can’t find the court with a compass and a map. Great players are those who find ways to win when they aren’t playing their best, which is more often than you think. Roger has 16 slams, that means 16*7=112 wins not to mention 6 other final appearances. Do you think in all of those wins Roger was playing his “best”? No way. But he won most, and he lost a few, against his arch-rival, whose game matches up perfectly with Roger’s. There’s no shame in that.

Would a 100% Roger beat a 100% Rafa? Well, if hypothetically both play their best from the very first point to the very last, I think Roger comes out on top, but by the thinnest of margins.


Kimo Says:

Yeah, she did, jane. I’m kinda confused by Venus’s wardrobe, not just in this tournament for a while now. To me she seems the less promiscuous Williams sister, yet her dresses are borderline lingerie and more provocative than Serena’s.

But hey, I’m a guy, so I really can’t complain. Sorry :P


mandrake Says:

@kimo

you are def. right about wimbledon 08 and ao 09..no way that fed played his best there otherwise he would have finished nadal in 3-4 sets ..had so many chances to win easily in 09 ..it still hurts thinking about it..


its all abt da game Says:

@kimo..
first thing you have to understand is rafa is a bad matchup for fed..
a 100% rafa can beat fed absolutely on any surface..
its just like delpo is naturally a bad matchup for rafa..
and on clay, the disparity just increases due to the surface favouring rafa’s style..
don’t forget the 2 times rafa lost to fed on clay, he was not even 80%..
now as for your argument whether fed played his best in all 112 wins, obviously not..
he does not need to play 100% against guys like falla etc..
as for other players, if you count slams, i think only a 100% nole or 100% delpo can defeat a 90% fed..
and yes, i would like to say that saying whenever fed loses a set his not being 100% is a ridiculous argument..
davydenko and nalbandian has blown apart fed even when he was 100%, that is for one set..
of course fed being the player with a much a greater consistency, davy or nalby cannot keep up their form throughout the match due to which fed manages to win..
but saying a 100% fed is invincible is too much of an exaggeration..


jane Says:

Thanks for the reply Kimo – yes, I haven’t been too fond of some of Venus’ outfits since she’s been wearing her own designs. The black lace dress is enough on its own without the skin coloured underwear.

Huh, I know we discussed Cilic’s chances earlier, and I was surprised to learn that he actually won Roland Garros as a junior! I didn’t know that. He still says he thinks hard and grass are better suited to him, but that past success here suggests he can indeed play well on clay and all surfaces. I still think Soderling would probably take him out if they meet this year though.


madmax Says:

guy Says:
the difference between nadal’s comments having no problems with an 18yr ranked 600 and federer’s disrespect is that federer disrespects top players, players who have proved their worth and deserve some respect.

What a load of crap.
Guy, I am fed up with people like you who have nothing better than to say that Federer disrespects top players. Let me share something with you.

He doesn’t. I have a whole list of what Federer’s says about top players (top ten players and beyond for that matter), which I could easily post here, but I won’t, because it will be wasted on you. Truly wasted on you.

I could also list things that other players have said about Federer and other players, but again, it would be wasted on you. In fact this post is wasted on you. No one is perfect Guy. We all say things that can be misinterpreted.

Federer is just amazing to give the media the time he does, to give 3 or 4 different interviews at anyone time, and in different languages, he always gives credit to his opponents, so cut him some slack and stop bringing up this time and again. The pressers of all players saying things that they meant as one thing, and it being reported as something else. It’s part of mis reported journalism. It happens all the time. I really think you need to look at the bigger picture Guy. (and I know you initial post was about top players, but do you honestly think that someone who you think is so arrogant as federer could even think about doing the following) :

Example:
When someone of his ability, tenacity and stature stops a game at 5:4 in the first set against his match with Peter Luczak, to request that people in the crowd “do you think someone should assist this gentleman?” is what he said, as a gentleman in the crowd had either a stroke (he looked about 60 years old plus) or had heatstroke, that shows Federer’s concern for others – it is what a good human being would do.

Okay, I am including this as an example of him being a “good” person. Not a perfect person, but a good person. So how does this relate to what you said earlier?

Problem is, he is just so talented that people forget his magnificent application overall of good wishes/the best of luck/health to others.

Did you know that it was him that visited James Blake in hospital when he hurt his back, or the good wishes he sent to the 17 year old brazilian who faced federer for the first time last year (I cannot remember which tournament), there is so much which is good about him, his manners, his approach and attitude towards life and others. Give him a break Guy. I suppose you’re perfect, right?

Imagine after a hard fought tournament, when you have to go and address the press straight after, tiredness,hunger,rest beckoning and you have to sit there for 45 minutes -well you don’t have to – but its good manners, because the press also are part of his job, no other player gives that amount of time, except federer. He is amazing to give of his time. I’ll stop now because this is a ramble and this is also wasted on someone like Guy.

Federer says things which can easily be construed by others. If he wasn’t so popular with the players, yes, that’s right, the players whom you say he is supposed to “slag off”, he wouldnt be voted, BY THE PLAYERS, GUY. THE PLAYERS!, each year 5 or 6 in a row now for sportsmanship awards, or end of tournament awards. It’s ridiculous when comments like this are made by jealous fans like you. Get over it.

Sorry to others.

Gannu and Kimmi,

Thanks for your comments on the fed match so far, I will watch it later.

C’moon Federer!


skeezerweezer Says:

“Would a 100% Roger beat a 100% Rafa? Well, if hypothetically both play their best from the very first point to the very last, I think Roger comes out on top, but by the thinnest of margins.”

Like to add “confidence in the above sentence for both players, but “Exactly”

@Dc sounds like you need to visit Fed’s wiki page, then compare it to ANY other tennis players wiki. You’ve been wiki’d! :)


Kimo Says:

its all abt da game, we agree to disagree then, because I truly believe a 100% Fed can beat anyone. And btw, I don’t think we can ever really see a 100% Fed anymore. Anyone who have been following tennis for a while now can see that today’s Roger is not the Roger of 2004 to 2006. Back then, he truly was unbeatable by anyone other than Rafa, and even on clay Rafa didn’t have an easy time playing Roger. Remember Rome 2006?


Kimo Says:

Just one more thing: Roger if today is not the Roger of 2004 to 2006 much like Rafa of today is not the Rafa of 2008 to mid 2009.


jane Says:

Bummer, it’s raining again.


Kimo Says:

Good thing Roger wrapped up his match :)


its all abt da game Says:

@kimo,
my name is rather long.. so you can call me game..
as for the matter on our hand, we gotta disagree..
there is a difference between being 100% and prime years..
fed can certainly be 100% even at the age of 33..
the thing will be he cannot be 100% for a complete span of 2 weeks, like he used to be in 2004-06..
now the years 2004-06 will be called fed’s prime years..
a time when he was 100% in nearly all of his matches..
but nowadays we can say fed is 100% in about 40% of his matches..
but the thing is, he is 100% sometimes, albeit , less frequently than in his prime..
as for his prime, safin certainly could defeat him in his prime.. safin’s natural talent was more than fed’s..
his problem was temparement, but a 100% safin(which we got to see once in 2 years) can defeat a 100% fed (which we could see every 2nd day.)..
and nalby could have defeated him as well, but of course in 3 setters, not 5..

@madmax,
i gather you are a fedfan.. i’m neutral.. so i think i can be a bit more impartial.. look, fed is a good guy at heart,a good human being, but he has a weakness-tongue that becomes less than diplomatic at times, especially when he feels the pressure..
and you mentioned sportsmanship award..
that is a debate for another day, but i can point out 10 reasons why it should not be a sportsmanship award..


Eric Says:

I know the scoreline doesn’t tell you much, but:

is anyone else paying attention to Soderling’s progress so far? holy crap. He has dropped only 7 games, winning 36 – among which, two bagels and two breadsticks…


Kimo Says:

“safin’s natural talent was more than fed’s..”

WHOA!!!!!!!

Safin had lots of talent, no doubt about that, but I doubt even the most avid Safin supporters would support such a claim.


skeezerweezer Says:

@its all abt da game,

Sorry dude, I alway trust his peers reasons than ours, heres 10 reasons, just in 2009, not all the other years, I can post those if you like. There is no debate.

1. Stefan Edberg Sportsmanship Award
2. ATPWorldtour.com (formerly ATPTennis.com) Fan’s Favourite
3. Talksport Hall of Fame
4. ESPY Best Male Tennis Player
5. Ehrespalebaerglemer award. An award given to outstanding citizens of the city of Basel.[53]
6. ATPWorldtour.com Player of the Decade [54]
7. ITF World Champion
8. European Sportsman of the Year (aka UEPS [Federation of European sports journalists] Sportsman of the Year)[50]
9. Sports Illustrated’s Athlete of the Decade [55]
10. Listed at #27 on the Forbes Celebrity 100
11. European Sportsman of the Year[56]

So do these awards look like he say the wrong things, or do we just have jealous people out there? Read my Rafa post earlier about his comments after he trounced an 18 yr old french.
The French are for sure going to love him more..I am not sayin rafa is wrong, could be out of context, like posters up here called me on, but it just goes to show you can ANY quote up and spin it.

Out


its all abt da game Says:

@eric..
sod’s 1st match opponent was a 171 ranked guy..
his 2nd round opponent played below par.. dent has reputation of having serving capability at par with roddick..
maybe one dimensional, but a powerful server..
and in today’s match, he approached net around 7-8 times..
much below his avg..
plus, these opponents are not good enough to challenge sod..
if he defeats montanes, then we can say, soda can has caught fire..


Eric Says:

“Natural talent” has got to be one of the most meaningless catchphrases in tennis discourse… what does this even mean and how do you tell when someone’s talent is “natural” or comes from working hard? it’s a BS term used to praise inconsistently great players. the implication is that “gosh, if only Safin/Gasquet/whoever worked as hard as Roger, he, too, could be the world #1 for five years…” I guess it’s just too bad I don’t have the same magic crystal ball as some other people…


its all abt da game Says:

@kimo,
by talent, i meant raw natural talent..
and there is no doing WHOA for that..
safin’s raw natural talent was greater..
fed achieved perfection through dedication, no denying that, but safin certainly had the greater talent..
example, uso 2000 finals..
fed cannot do that to a 37 year old pete in some exhibition..
now you can well argue it was exhibition, but it was still pete vs roger..
@skeereweezer..
of those 10 awards, only 2 refer to sportsanship..
and we are speaking of sportsmanship, aren’t we??
most of those awards show fed is an amazing athlete..
not his sportsmanship..


Kimo Says:

game, he did it to Sampras on Centre Court where he was 7 time champion.


its all abt da game Says:

@eric,
maybe natural talent is a meaningless catchphrase for you..
but not for tennis fraternity..
often it has been said of safin gasquet that they have a lot of natural ability..
as for your question whether it comes from hard work or naturally, you just need to remember..
safin and gasquet actually skipped practice, and it is a known fact..
now if they practiced more, there is no way they would have become worse, they could only have become better..
so had they practised they could have honed their natural talent even more..
and anyway do listen to tennis commentators when they speak..
you will hear that term umpteen times..


jane Says:

This rain delay is unfortunate; I guess it means some players will have to play back-to-back or no? Hope not!


its all abt da game Says:

kimo,
he did it to sampras in 5 sets by the thinnest of margins in a 4th round match, which has much less pressure..
safin did it to sampras 10 months earlier in straight sets with 4 breaks of serve..


its all abt da game Says:

of course, that too in a grand slam final..
high pressure situation..
that’s what you call raw natural talent..


skeezerweezer Says:

its all abt da game Says:

Still no debate. Last I will speak on the matter. It’s all up on “Roger Federer’s” wiki page. Go up there and “look” and all the “sportmenship” awards. Furthermore, then go compared them to ANY other male tennis player! GEEEZZZ…..


Kimo Says:

You don’t think Sampras felt the pressure against Fed?!

And Sampras was far more dominant at Wimbledon than he was at the US Open.


its all abt da game Says:

@kimo,
why should sampras feel any pressure against a 19 year old kid, the likes of which he faced numerous times..
and neither did fed feel any pressure..
at that time not even fed could have thought he can defeat sampras..
plus, just to remind you, even fed was playing on a surface he would have preferred..
@skeerweezer..
with due respect, when a guy wins, there is no reason he would be behaving unruly, specially if he can naturally control his emotions like fed could..
but once he starts losing, and you can see the backhanded comments coming..
oh and i do not need to go to wikipedia..
i very well know, what he has got..
and for any sport, a player who is a bit good in sportsmanship and has a great success will get most awards, especially if they are decided by popular votes..
why???
because he is the most popular guy in that sport..


skeezerweezer Says:

@its all abt da game ,

“safin’s raw natural talent was greater..
fed achieved perfection through dedication, no denying that, but safin certainly had the greater talent.”

So your saying Safin had better raw talent than Fed. Please explain how. Striking of the ball? variety of shotmaking? Mental toughness?

I thought hard work and dedication everyone can do. But not RAW TALENT. Please, enlighten me…


Polo Says:

When you say one has natural talent for a specific sport, that means he has all the physical attributes to become very good at it. All tennis professionals have natural talents and just like everything in life, some have it more than the others. If you look at Safin, or Gasquet play at their best, you are watching mostly natural talent. Compared with others, they do not devote as much time to practicing or honing their skills. Do you think somebody like Lendl would have had as much success if he did not have such dedication to the game and really did his best to optimize his potentials.

To make it simpler for those who do not have the natural talent to understand abstract concepts, let’t make it simpler. Einstein was born with a very high IQ, do you think he would have become the Einstein that we know if he never read?


Kimo Says:

game, maybe Sampras didn’t feel the pressure before the match, but at the beginning of the fourth set, I guarantee you he was sweating bullets.

And like skeezer said, Safin has no where near the variety that Fed has. Ever since 2004, way before Fed became the all-time grand slam leader, people were seriously talking about him being a possible GOAT. I don’t recall anyone say that about Safin.


Kimo Says:

Very good point, Polo. A few years back, when Roger and Lleyton used to have a heated rivalry, Roger said he found Lleyton’s ability to be tenacious from the very first point to the last a talent that he didn’t possess.

How do you judge talent? It depends on who’s answering that question. If you ask me, I think it’s the ability to do everything with a tennis ball and yet be efficient enough doing that and still win, and win often.


madmax Says:

I have natural talent guys, when I spread my marmite on toast in the morning – It’s an art, don’t cha know!


Kimo Says:

Fed’s genius is in his ability to make winning tennis look beautiful, unlike for example Gasquet, who has the ability to make tennis look beautiful, but not winning.


Polo Says:

Now as regards Safin vs Federer in the natural talent department, I would not say one has more than the other. All I can say is that Federer’s achievements would not have happened if he did not have superior natural talents.


skeezerweezer Says:

“with due respect, when a guy wins, there is no reason he would be behaving unruly, specially if he can naturally control his emotions like fed could..”

Uh…ok. I respect you too. Can you tell me what specifically “Behaving unruly” you are talking about? Please give me the link to the whole interview, not a “spin” or “slice” of a quote. Otherwise, I don’t know how to discuss this with you.

“and for any sport, a player who is a bit good in sportsmanship and has a great success will get most awards, especially if they are decided by popular votes..”

Exactly. Thank you.


skeezerweezer Says:

Polo,

Always coming in the key moments with some sanity :)


skeezerweezer Says:

Madmax!

Marmite, Toast, bliss :)

Welcome to the “Ping Pong” discussion


jane Says:

6:00 pm Paris time and still delayed. I want to see Murray play and I don’t want him getting stuck without a day’s break between matches. He needs recovery time since his knee is bothering him and he has a tough draw.


its all abt da game Says:

1) safin’s backhand was the best in the busines, much like roger’s forehand was the best..
2) he had a serve slightly better than roger federer
3) he can hit groundstrokes from both wings harder than roger can, by harder i mean with greater speed consistently..
of course not mental toughness.. the guy had just one problem .. and that was lack of mental toughness..
another facet of raw natural talent is, when you are younger, the player with greater talent happens to be better.. but as one grows older and hones his talent through dedication, he becomes a better player, while the skills of the naturally talented remains same if he does not hone his skills.. that is what happened with safin..
a guy who can trounce a 13 time gs champion in a gs final while playing for first time certainly has greater raw talent..


Kimo Says:

The game’s greatest overachiever is Lendl. He has eight slams and 5 Tour Finals championships. Who is the greater player: him or Safin?

Natural talent is irrelevant. Still, Fed has more than Safin, that’s why he’s greater than someone who had talent but didn’t back it up with hard work, and someone with lesser talent but put in tons of work.

That’s why he’s the GOAT.


Kimo Says:

“2) he had a serve slightly better than roger federer
3) he can hit groundstrokes from both wings harder than roger can, by harder i mean with greater speed consistently..”

game, you just judged talent by raw power. Does variety matter to you at all? And when it comes to the serve, Safin served harder, but Roger is way more effective with his serve.


its all abt da game Says:

skeezerweezer..
the very fact that you mention “not a spin or a slice of a quote” means you know all the instances when fed was not at his diplomatic best..
Here are some links (hopefully they are still working, if not let me know, I’ll google the text and find the new links):
http://www.seattlepi.com/othersports/354352_ravi10.html
“Don ‘t be a brag nag ROger” http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1248901/DES-KELLY-Ca ptain-Chav-John-Terry-England-s-Daddy-Fool.html
http://www.kurier.at/ sportundmotor/301788.php
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/others…52_ravi10.html
http://www.nytimes.c om/2008/07/07/sports/tennis/07tennis.html
http://www.nytimes.com/2008 /11/09/sports/tennis/09tennis.html?_r=2

Also have a look at this site where Chetes collected Federer’s most arrogant statements:
http://delicious.com/exterminate/p(r)issycakes..

ENJOY!!


Karthick Says:

yesterday, i had a dream. French open finals between Nadal and soderling.. and Nadal beats soda pop 6-0 6-0 6-0… lol :)


Kimo Says:

Karthick, I bet you also dreamed Soda beat Roger in the quarters 6-0 6-0 6-0 :DDDDD


NELTA Says:

Also, talent isn’t something that you are only born with from the waist up. Movement is extremely important in tennis and it starts with a base of natural ability in your legs. No doubt Fed and Rafa have trained hard, but it takes more than just hard work to move on the court the way they do.


its all abt da game Says:

kimo,
variety comes iwth practice..
at the age of 15, no one can have all shots in the arsenal..
at that time, you have some shots which you are naturally good at..
and that’s raw talent..
to become a better player, you start adding shots to your arsenal and starts becoming a good player..
but that is through hard work..
an example is fed is weaker at backhand side and safin is weaker at forehand..
now if they slug out as fed backhand vs safin forehand, fed will win..
why??
because fed has, through his hard work, overcome his weakness, his backhand, while safin has not practised enough and he is weaker at his frehand..
but if it is fed’s forehand vs safin backhand, they will have equal chances (example- AO 2005 semi final)..
similarly for serve, the reason fed is more effective is because he has incorporated variations through his hardwork, while naturally, safin is better off..


its all abt da game Says:

@nelta,May 26th, 2010 at 12:24 pm
valid point.. and fed and rafa certainly has a lot lot talent.. but their hard work has played a great role in improving their skills.. or are you saying, if fed stits at home for 2 months without practising, still he will win??


Kimo Says:

game, I love how you keep making stuff up as you go along. Variety comes with practice? You can practice all you want, you’ll never have a Federer forehand, or his forehand dropshot, or his backhand slice, or the different spins that he generates.

If you think variety comes with practice, surely power comes with practice too. It’s even easier to attain, just go lift weights.

You’re so funny.


NELTA Says:

Definitely not. There is a fine line between winning and losing even for the best players. If Fed and Roddick both lay on the couch eating bon bons for two months and then go run around on the tennis court Fed will be quicker.


Polo Says:

I tuned it to ESPN and immediately heard Mary Carillo commentating. I turned off the TV immediately.


NELTA Says:

Ha ha Polo. I can’t stand her either.


Polo Says:

NELTA Says: “If Fed and Roddick both lay on the couch eating bon bons for two months and then go run around on the tennis court Fed will be quicker.”

But that match would suck so badly that both of them would lose respect from tennis fans all over the world.


Sean Randall Says:

Why is Gianni Mina back on on my TV set? I thought he lost.

Kidding.


skeezerweezer Says:

its all abt da game,

I am sorry you are on another level of thinking, either higher or lower, but I am done.

I took the time for you to check out the links, which was a waste of time, Most of your links don’t work, the two that did were takin out of interviews, and “snippets” from them. Amazingly in one of them, he says it was frustrating, and then right away he gives all the credit to Rafa.

Your other IMO’s are just that, not backed with any data for proof. The other posters are exposing your IMO’ cause they just don’t make sense :(

Yawn…..movin on…


jane Says:

Looking like Kuz is going out today. Come on De Bakker, take this 4th set! Monfils cruises past Fognini in the first set. (LOL Sean).


jane Says:

Oh crap, just remembered that the FO doesn’t have lights, so I wonder how long they’ll be able to play out there; it’s already almost 7:00.


Kimo Says:

jane, I’d say we have 90 minutes before they call it a day.


its all abt da game Says:

@kimo,
so what do you say??
variety comes naturally??
could fed have mixed up his serve at the age of 15??
no..
just go back to polo’s point..
about einstein..
einstein was born with high iq..
so was safin/fed born with raw natural talent..
now you are not gonna tell me raw natural talent comes from practice, are you??
so, einstein naturally had it in him to do well, and similarly, safin/fed naturally had it in them to do well…
then einstein discovered his calling and started doing experiments or so..
safin/fed found their calling and started practicing tennis..
einstein, at the age of 4, can naturally ask himself why a compass needle always moves, which most people can’t do at even 8..
similarly safin finds that he has a naturally stronger backhand or fed finds he has a naturally stronger forehand.. TILL HERE IT IS ABOUT RAW TALENT..
now einstein starts doing different things through scientific experiments..
safin/fed starts experimenting with shots and tries improving their weaknesses..THIS IS WHERE THE VARIETY COMES IN, NOT NATURALLY BUT INCORPORATING SHOTS..
after experimenting numerous times, einstein discovers scientific things and becomes a greater scientist.
here is the catch between fed and safin
safin did not practice enough to overcome his weakness, while fed did and so developed a serve with greater variety, a decent backhand etc..

so, here you see, despite their raw talent, fed through, hard work brings variety to his game, overcomes his weaknesses etc..
while safin, despite maybe having a lil bit more talent, does not efficiently overcome the weakness..
i hope you get the concept of natural talent and how variety comes with practice.. if you differ enlighten me, how will you bring variety to your game??
oh, and power to hit shots does not come from lifting weights.. its talent..
delpo is certainly not the healthiest guy, but that forehand is insane.. that is power..
@nelta,
that’s because fed is naturally more talented than roddick..
but if fed lays off for 2 months and the comparatively less talented roddick practises hard for 2 months, what do you think will hapeen??


andrea Says:

wow. just saw the stats on soderlings match. he could be a handful again this tournament. nadal is probably happy he’s not on his side!


Polo Says:

Kimo, shouldn’t it be “…we have 90 minutes before they call it a night?” Hahaha!


jane Says:

Sounds about right Kimo. : (
I doubt I’ll get to see Murray then.
Kuz may get lucky; her opponent is choking, has lost triple match point. Deuce.


its all abt da game Says:

@skeezerweezer..
i doubted it would not work..
and you say snippets..
fed of course won’t directly say anything unsportsmanlike..
whatever he has said has been backhanded comments, veiled by praises..
back in ’08, fed was seemingly praising murray when he took a cheap shot at jelena, saying hope he does not end up like her, i.e. end up as a no.1 without winning a grand slam..
now i’ll give you this link..
if it does not work, tell me..
i will post the whole thing..
http://delicious.com/exterminate/p(r)issycakes


Polo Says:

its all abt da game, do you mind reading again what you just said about natural talent? Then go back to what I said.


its all abt da game Says:

oh, in the link ,prissycakes is a part of the link..


jane Says:

Kuz breaks. Murray’s match delayed more now. Ugh!

Yay!! De Bakker upsets G-Lo, the 32nd seed.


its all abt da game Says:

@polo..
i just meant the iq thing..


Kimo Says:

game, this is my last post, and considering the fact that no one agrees with you, even tennis legends who know more about the game than you or I ever will, I’ll be brief.

Variety has to do with talent. Why doesn’t Delpo have the variety Federer and Murray have? Because he just wasn’t born with it. He can practice his slice backhand all he wants, he’ll never be as good at it as those two and he’ll never be able to incorporate it fully into his game.

Similarly, Fed can practice serving like Sampras all he wants, he’ll never be able to serve that hard. In fact, he did try it, he said he feels like his arm is gonna come off when he tries it.

Rafa can try hitting flat forehands all he wants, he’ll never be able to hit it as flat as Delpo.

All of that is about talent.

So what is hard work about? I’ll tell you. Hard work can bring you consistency, stamina, confidence. It can make your strengths even stronger so that it can mask you weaknesses. It’ll never improve you weaker wing, or improve you technique. Practice can’t give you Fed’s movement on grass or Rafa’s movement on clay. Don’t you think Murray practices hard to try and make his forehand better. He does, but he just doesn’t have a good forehand and he never will, no matter how much work he puts in.

McEnroe said in 2004 that Fed is the most naturally talented player he has ever seen, but the question was whether he’ll back his talent up with great numbers. I never heard anyone say that about Safin.

I’m out.


its all abt da game Says:

well, kimo,
we differ in our thinkings..
can’t help it..
really, you just need to watch safin in 2000 us open final to know what he can do a his best..
the day fed does somthing like that to rafa(the current best player other than fed), i’ll agree to your point that fed has more natural taent..


Polo Says:

Well, Kimo, what can I say? Hahaha. Have a good day.


skeezerweezer Says:

its all abt da game,

Those are written by “authors” of “an article” like Sean R here or Ben P. They are not de fecto the whole interview ( although idigress here they do post the whole interviews, just not when someone is writing an article.)

They give out quotes and put in there own opinion, they are articles. Did you ever bother to read the comments from these articles?

Anyways, Why are you h$ll bent to search the Internet to find people that write negative articles on Fed? Who is your fav? Do you want me to dig up trash on Safin?

For every one of those articles posters up here can match those and trump it 10 times that Fed is gracious, a gentlemen.

Like I said, this its a P!ssing contest, and whoever runs out of p!ss is going to lose, so I am done playing…

Out


jane Says:

I feel for this Petkovic girl; she totally had the match on her racquet, with triple match point, and choked, and now Kuz is a game away. That kind of loss must hurt.


Caesar Says:

safin thrashing a guy almost 10yrs his senior and on his last legs shows safin’s talent? and that will be matched by federer beating a guy 5yrs his junior?

sounds very very logical to me!

even more logical is calling a guy who won the edberg sportsmanship award more than edberg himself, arrogant! you are so much smarter than the guys who actually play with roger and are victims of his backhanded comments. oh by the way, they cast the votes for that award. i think i will take their words to yours!


skeezerweezer Says:

kimo,

Nice reads..

Thanks for the cover on the variety/talent…fingers are sore :)


NELTA Says:

That Petkovic girl has a really annoying grunt. It sounds like someone sneezing.


steve Says:

“and for any sport, a player who is a bit good in sportsmanship and has a great success will get most awards, especially if they are decided by popular votes”

Not so. You would expect the opposite to be true–if a player is extremely dominant, you would expect other players to pounce on any personality flaws as a way of relieving their feelings of inferiority. Success breeds a backlash, and the more success the bigger the backlash.

So you would not expect a top player to win a sportsmanship award very often.

Sampras never won it. Neither did Agassi, or Lendl or Becker.

Here is the list of the winners of the ATP Sportsmanship award. Notice that there are quite a few players on there who were not top players:

2009 Roger Federer (6) Switzerland
2008 Roger Federer (5) Switzerland
2007 Roger Federer (4) Switzerland
2006 Roger Federer (3) Switzerland
2005 Roger Federer (2) Switzerland
2004 Roger Federer Switzerland
2003 Paradorn Srichaphan (2) Thailand
2002 Paradorn Srichaphan Thailand
2001 Patrick Rafter (4) Australia
2000 Patrick Rafter (3) Australia
1999 Patrick Rafter (2) Australia
1998 Alex Corretja (2) Spain
1997 Patrick Rafter Australia
1996 Alex Corretja Spain
1995 Stefan Edberg (5) Sweden
1994 Todd Martin (2) United States
1993 Todd Martin United States
1992 Stefan Edberg (4) Sweden
1991 John Fitzgerald Australia
1990 Stefan Edberg 3) Sweden
1989 Stefan Edberg (2) Sweden
1988 Stefan Edberg Sweden
1987 Miloslav Mečíř Czechoslovakia
1986 Yannick Noah France
1985 Mats Wilander Sweden
1984 Brian Gottfried United States
1983 José Higueras Spain
1982 Steve Denton United States


steve Says:

Yay Kuznetsova! She really does not make it easy on herself. But somehow she got through. She can play both sublime tennis and amateur-level tennis in the course of a single match.

Petkovic converted 100% of her break points, the difference was that Kuznetsova made one more break of serve.


jane Says:

steve, Petkovic was serving for the match, had triple match point, and choked. Credit to Kuz for lifting her game and snatching the match from the jaws of defeat, but if it was that one more break that made the difference, in a way Petkovic broke herself!!

NELTA, yes, it does sound like a sneeze, but not a high pitched one like some others.


steve Says:

jane: No debate there, Petkovic choked when she had the match in her hands. But even after that it was a huge struggle for Kuznetsova.


jane Says:

That’s true steve; Kuz was spraying too many errors today – very up and down form, but she came through. It was an interesting match.

I am shocked they started Murray/Chela this late! I guess they might think better to get a set in than nothing.


skeezerweezer Says:

Murray playing well early, Baggy comes back strong to tie up the sets at 1 all.


jane Says:

Yep, very pleased to see Murray moving and playing well right away. Monfils should’ve finished in 3. He kind of blew it getting embroiled in a 4th set. Isner down 1-4 in the tiebreak vs. Chiud.


jane Says:

Now Monfils has been broken back to 4 all in the fourth. Is this going to end up going to a 5th? Chewy takes first set over Isner.


sar Says:

Has Novak been in the booth yet?
———————————

What one song would you like to sing in the Karaoke Booth at Roland Garros this year?
Dustin, USA

Rafa: I am thinking about it. If Marc Lopez does it with me, I’ll do it. otherwise I’ll simply introduce Novak singing Gypsy… :-)


tennisfansince76 Says:

Monfils is so disappointing. I remember a few years back Fed said Monfils was a young player he had his eye on due to his athleticism and power but he just hasn’t come thru. he plays like he has got a head full of brie. he just refuses to play intelligently aggressive tennis.


tennisfansince76 Says:

what is the word for meathead in French?


jane Says:

Monfils – sheesh!


tennisfansince76 Says:

Fognini is a decent player but Monfils should be dictating play, jerking Fognini around the court.


jane Says:

Agreed. And he was until the end of the 3rd set. Monfils better be careful; he’s going to go down a break early in this 5th set. I am surprised they haven’t called these matches; it looks dark on the TV and it must be worse out there. It’s 9:10 pm with no lighting.


tennisfansince76 Says:

Monfils is melting like brie on a toasted baguette


sar Says:

I watched the match between Rezai and Kerber. They were talking about how difficult her father is, assaulting and using insulting language against another player’s family, etc. I think Rezai is beatable and I hope Petrova takes her out next. If not her, then Venus.

The following quote is a hoot, coming from her.

Rezai on Bartoli: “Marion is a difficult girl….She attacked me many times in the press. “I don’t have the same education as the one she has…I have respect for players.”


jane Says:

They can play one more game at most here right? I mean it’s looking awfully dark.


tennisfansince76 Says:

they will play another 20 minutes probably. btw 9:40 and 10:00pm Paris time


jane Says:

Rezai talks a bit of smack in the press hey? JJ and now Bartoli. But maybe, by the sounds of it, it comes from her dad. Anyhow, I gotta say that I like her game on the court, regardless of the mind games off it.


tennisfansince76 Says:

Fognini is so Italian.


tennisfansince76 Says:

fognini should want to play on. tonight is his best chance


jane Says:

Every other match is suspended though.


jane Says:

Crowd is freaking out; Fognini in disagreement. The umpire just gave him a point penalty.


PJ Says:

I’ll laugh if Fognini pulls this out.


jane Says:

I don’t know what to think of this; it’s certainly dramatic. This may end up being a case of be careful what you wish for in Monfils’ case, because I can see Fognini pulling this out.


tennisfansince76 Says:

This match is torture


jane Says:

15-30! Monfils going down in the dark or …?


jane Says:

Fed’s probably laughing; Monfils is (was?) scheduled to meet him.


PJ Says:

It’s ridiculous they continued. When they show the unenhanced shots, it’s crazy dark out there.


PJ Says:

Darn, I was really hoping Fognini was going to pull it off. I really hope he wins tomorrow.


tennisfansince76 Says:

monfils lives another day. fognini had his chance i think.


jane Says:

It is totally dumb they continued. They suspended every other match. Fognini was right. 5 All – Monfils fought off 3 match points in near dark. Crazy. Be interesting to see how this picks up tomorrow.


PJ Says:

That just seems dangerous to play in the dark. And dumb, because it seems difficult for the linespeople.


tennisfansince76 Says:

that was a bit of continental craziness. monfils wanted to stay on and he should have wanted to get off the court, recharge and regroup. Fognini wanted to get off and his best chance for a big upset was to stay on against a discombobulated Monfils. curious!


tennisfansince76 Says:

How will it go tomorrow. how about 8-6 monfils. sounds about right.


jane Says:

LOL tennisfansince76 – you’re probably right. Oh the irony. Well, I think it’s good it ended at 5-5 because at least they come back with proper conditions and an even shot tomorrow.


Fot Says:

This is for all Federer fans (be warned if you’re not a Federer fan and think he’s arrogant, etc…this article isn’t for you then)! lol!

http://yourvolleyssuck.wordpress.com/roger-federer-is-not-a-douche/


margot Says:

jane, kimmi: good to see Andy playing so well in the first set. His levels dropped off in the second but COME ON!
polo@3.04: you play Mary Carillo, I play John LLoyd!! I cannot stand him!! He is a blooming nellie know it all and he won’t stop yakking either!! AAAAHHH! Perhaps they could get married and make each other miserable for ever and ever.


skeezerweezer Says:

For tennisfansince76;

“Monfils Meathead fondre comme le brie sur une baguette de pain grillé”

:)


skeezerweezer Says:

Fot,

RE: your last post

You just should have sent that link directly to “its all abt da game”, lol

It’s all good.

Nice diggin :)


skeezerweezer Says:

Ahhh Virtual Tennis, it’s on;

Match up tonight on Center court;

Polo/Margot vs Lloyd/Carillo.

Ok, gang what time does it start? I’m all in :)


madmax Says:

It’s all about da game (change your name buddy, it’s too loonggg!! and skeeze!),

I took the time to check out your links and I have to say, these are NOT direct quotes from Roger Federer – as skeeze said, some links are broken, and some are just chat for chat idle gossip, rather than from revered journalists.

So I’ll choose one to comment on which I think deserves some reply, ‘It’s all’….this one:

(I might add that the Daily Mail is a tabloid paper, a bit too much of a gossipy paper, not as bad as The Sun, which is far too sensationalist, but the Mail isn’t too far behind).

“He commented that the 20-year-old would have a tough time reaching the next level if he stayed defensive, which didn’t go down well with the British media”.

How can this be anything other than “advice?”. After this post, I’m going to post you what Federer said about Murray, 3 months ago – you might want to read it.

Living in the UK, I remember this “awful” comment from Federer! and I can say that Murray took this on board. His mother Judy came out and wrote a piece for this particular paper to say that her son would “consider” what Federer seemed to be implying, and what do you know – Murray got a new team around him, built himself up in the gym and started playing like a top 5 player – thanks for the comment Roger! I owe you one!

Depends how you look at it but Federer knows how great a player Murray is. Am going to find what I was talking about earlier and come back to you on this one – and this WILL BE from a credible paper/journalist – it’s all about da game!

see you in a bit.


madmax Says:

From L’equippe, 5 months ago about Andy Murray and other players.

Q: If you had to chose one player that is going to reach a new milestone in 2010, who would it be?

RF: If I had to chose only one, it would be Murray. He has built himself cleverly, he won a lot of Masters 1000, he already has a lot of experience. That being said, Del Potro never won a Masters 1000 but still won the US Open. A year ago, I would never have said predicted that. He was not really using the strength of his serve, unlike now. He’s improved so much.

Q: Monfils, Tsonga, Simon, Gasquet, you’re interested?

RF: A lot. We all know they have a big potential. Let’s say they confirmed it last year. Now, they need to make a breakthrough and therefore to be less injured. Richard is going to go up quite fast. The big question is how far?


Kimmi Says:

Hey guys, missed most of the matches and from your comments it sounds like Mofils vs fognin was one of those matches..Monfils has another day to live on.

He had the match for the taking and now he is in a dog fight..

Kutzy..oh god..how long can she survive..and Muzza..the only thing I can say is – gooo muzza.


Polo Says:

skeezerweezer Says: “…Match up tonight on Center court; Polo/Margot vs Lloyd/Carillo…”
Ok, gang what time does it start? I’m all in :)

I’m game but who would commentate?


skeezerweezer Says:

Who else? Kimmi and Jane you are elected….when you’re watching you have a good play by play, not to take anything away from the other posters,,,,:).


sar Says:

What did Rezai say about JJ?


goat galz Says:

From L’equippe, 5 months ago about Andy Murray and other players.

Q: If you had to chose one player that is going to reach a new milestone in 2010, who would it be?

RF: If I had to chose only one, it would be Murray.

That means he said it in January. I suppose Murray has 6 months to win a GS. Laughable. Last year he was going to be number one by December 2009. We all know what happened. Fed must have been delirious from no sleep.


jane Says:

sar, maybe with JJ and Rezai it’s mutual, but Kimmi posted this after or during Madrid:

“Aravane Rezai, who criticized Jelena Jankovic’s personality earlier this year, took another dig at the Serb after defeating her in the Madrid quarterfinals. “She tried to intimidate me but me, I did my thing,” said Rezai. “She can say what she wants, it’s me who won. She was nervous and is someone not very pleasant off the court. But I respect her as a player.”

Jankovic did give a positive review of Rezai’s performance after the match, saying, “Some players hit the ball really hard, but no one hits every single ball like that. Doesn’t matter if it’s a high ball or a low ball. It was tough to read.”


skeezerweezer Says:

GO Horacio Zeballos! HaHa…Rafa…another 2, 2 and 2? Should be……..


sar Says:

First Bartoli, then JJ and people on another blog were saying she, Rezai was talking trash about Serena too. If I were her I’d watch it.


skeezerweezer Says:

Sar,

Absolutely!

Trash talkin Serena? Plllleasseee don’t give the woman motivation, she lives off that stuff….


Fed Rocks Says:

Guy,

Fed was at his peak 2004-06, not in 2008 or 2009. During that time, he went 247-15, with nearly half of those losses to Nadal on clay.

Fed at 100% was unbeatable.

Fed’s game is the most complete of any player ever. If he is going 100%, only nadal and only on clay has a chance.


Desirai Says:

skeezerweezer Says:
Unreal. So Mina was “chopped liver”? From the interview above:

“I think I played bad, but I won anyway, without problems, so that’s always important and positive thing. But I think I can do it much ‑‑ a lot of better, much better next round.”

Wow. Some of the respected posters up here thought Mina played well, but Rafa was just better. He is just a kid, a little respect after saying you played bad but gave the kid a beat-down by the score of 6-2,6-2,6-2?, no?

The French are “fickle” people, I wouldn’t expect Rafa to gain French fans after that.

I know he gave the kid “some” props but also said in the end he didn’t know much about him…..Oh well….”C’est la vie?”

May 25th, 2010 at 7:54 pm
_________________________________________________

Yeah, I thought that was kind of jacked up too cause Mina played really well. You can tell how talented he was and Nadal played well in that match even though he says he didn’t. But Nadal probably just had his game face on and was giving the French fans a bit of $hi# to eat after the way they treated him last year. And who could blame him cause they are grade A jerks- it’s pretty bad when you make the “fans” in New York look like choirboys but they managed to do it.

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