Del Potro Wins Thriller Over Thiem, Sets Up Federer Showdown At US Open; Nadal Rolls
by Staff | September 4th, 2017, 11:25 pm
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Juan Martin del Potro looked down and out in his fourth round match today against Dominic Thiem. Fighting an illness and an in-form No. 6 seed Dominic Thiem, a listless, ill and wilting del Potro quickly found himself behind two sets.

But somehow the Argentine picked himself up off the mat and started to climb his way back.

Thiem, who was in complete control, lost some form in the third as the crowd helped the 2009 champion back to life. But Thiem surged ahead 5-2 in the fourth, and twice was two points from the win. But nerves were setting in as the fans grew even more boisterous. After leveling, del Potro again found himself in trouble facing two match points serving 5-6, 15-40. Ace down the middle. Ace wide. And Thiem would never get that close again.

Del Potro took the game then rolled a disintegrating Thiem to force a decider.

Thiem finally found some footing in the fifth, but some shaky errors and then a final double fault in the 4-5 game sealed del Potro’s second career 0-2 comeback, 1-6, 2-6, 6-1, 7-6, 6-4 in 3 hours, 35 minutes.

“I play one of the epic match of my career here in the US Open, which is my favorite tournament, in front of a great crowd,” del Potro said. “I got exhausted after the last point of the match. That’s what I did with my hands, looking the sky. But I’m so glad to go through. I’m play a fantastic battle against one of the best players of the tour.

And deL Potro admitted, that if not for the crowd, he may have retired early in the match.

“I was thinking to retire in the middle of the second set because I couldn’t breathe, I couldn’t move well. Dominic was dominating the match so easy,” he said.

“But then when we start the third set, I broke his serve very quick, and then I won the set in 20 minutes. Then the history change a lot. I starting to see the crowd. I took all the energy from the fans. That’s what I did in the end, just keep fighting. I don’t give ups any points from the third until the fifth set. I was ready to win the match in that moment.”

Thiem is now 0-3 against the Argentine who also beat him in the US Open fourth round last year when Thiem retired with a knee injury.

“I knew that it’s not going to go all the way like this because if he felt really bad, he would have retired for sure,” Thiem said. “So I knew I had to be there all the way.

“I wasn’t really affected by the easy first two sets. I knew that I have to maintain my level. Of course, the third set was bad. I mean, I played some really bad minutes. It was a great match I think, set four and set five. Obviously for the better end for him.”

In the quarters, the Argentine moves on to face Roger Federer Wednesday in a rematch of their 2009 US Open final. Federer ran his mark to 12-0 against Philipp Kohlschreiber with a routine 6-4, 6-2, 7-5 win.

Federer was all but untouched in the match, firing 11 aces with 39 winners. But the Swiss did leave the court after the second set to get a “rub on his bottom” for his back from the medical staff. Federer didn’t miss a beat upon return.

“I just felt something, sort of my muscle being tight at the back,” Federer said of the time out. “Sort of my quad, I guess. I don’t know what you call it. I just wanted to get it done really quickly after the set break. I said, Look, you know what, I need to go anyway off court for it. Normally you have to ask. They would have said anyway yes. I just ran straight to the physio. I was done in three minutes and back again.

“I just didn’t want Philipp to wait. It was more precaution. It’s all good. No problems there. I’m not worried about it. I’m sorry I had to do it.”

He stands 16-5 against the big Argentine.

“I’m really happy for him,” he said of Del Potro. “It’s a good match to look forward to. Reminds me clearly of the 2009 finals that we had, which was an epic, too. I hope we can produce another good one.”

But ahead for Federer could also be Rafael Nadal. The World No. 1 played his best match of the tournament crushing Alexandr Dolgopolov 6-2, 6-4, 6-1 to reach his 7th US open quarterfinal, first since he won the title in 2013.

“I think I played a solid match, not many mistakes,” said Nadal after his 50th US Open match win. “I feel that compared to other days, I feel more calm on court. Is true that I was able to have the break earlier, but really I felt more comfortable from the beginning.

“The most important thing is [the amount of] times I had the control of the time of the point. Not many balls surprised me. I didn’t hit a lot of balls earlier than what I thought or later than what I thought, something that happened in the first couple of days. That’s very good news. Because when that happens it is, of course, a step forward for me and today another one. So I’m playing a little bit better every day.

On Wednesday, Nadal will meet 19-year-old Andrey Rublev after the Russian dismissed an ailing David Goffin 7-5, 7-6(5), 6-3. A year ago Rublev lost in the first round of the US Open qualifying, now he’s into the final eight.

“Last year I changed all the team completely,” Rublev said of the changes he’s made from 2016. “I moved to Barcelona to practice with a new coach and new physio, a new fitness coach, all the new team. This is it.”

Rublev becomes the first of the “NextGen” players to make a Grand Slam quarterfinal, and the first teen to do it at the US Open since Andy Roddick in 2001.

In addition to Goffin, who was hampered by a left knee injury, Rublev also beat Grigor Dimitrov. And next is a meeting with his idol Nadal.

“I’m just going to try to enjoy, and that’s it,” Rublev said of facing Rafa. “This is going to be good challenge for me to see how far I am from top players, and how much more I need to work.”

On Tuesday, the quarterfinals commence with Pablo Carreno Busta meeting Argentine Diego Schwartzman. Both are playing in their first US Open fourth round.

In the night match, Sam Querrey tries to keep his run going against the big-serving Kevin Anderson.

None of the four have ever made a US Open semifinal, and only Querrey has been to a Slam semifinal.

TUESDAY US OPEN SCHEDULE
ARTHUR ASHE STADIUM 12:00 PM
Pablo Carreno Busta (ESP) [12] vs. Diego Schwartzman (ARG) [29]
Sloane Stephens (USA) vs. Anastasija Sevastova (LAT) [16]

7:00 PM
Venus Williams (USA) [9] vs. Petra Kvitova (CZE) [13]
Sam Querrey (USA) [17] vs. Kevin Anderson (RSA) [28]


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90 Comments for Del Potro Wins Thriller Over Thiem, Sets Up Federer Showdown At US Open; Nadal Rolls

skeezer Says:

Delpo just turned into the Headliner at this tournament. He played an amazing match, and one of the best comebacks ever. Theim is going to be competing at the top soon, just needs to play a little smarter.


Margot Says:

Group hugs for Team Thiem and huge congratulations to the warrior who is JMDP.


gonzalowski Says:

I can’t stand argentinian fans, they transfer the atmosphere of football too much to sports like tennis or rugby, and are supernationalists.


Tony N Says:

The Federer-Kohlschreiber match is instructive for those who had presumed – based on one indoor match with Lopez – that Federer’s back was obviously healed for the rest of the tournament. Fed was forced to take an off-court MTO – taken appropriately during the set break while leading two sets to love — in order to deal with his ongoing or recurring back injury. Fed characteristically downplayed the MTO as just a “precaution”, probably to avoid giving information on his injuries which his rivals can use against him.

[It is significant whenever Federer takes a medical timeout because he rarely takes MTOs. Unlike Nadal who has a long history of taking MTOs and toilet breaks when he is losing or at critical junctures in the match. E.g., when Nadal was losing 2-5 in the first set of 2008 Hamburg clay Masters, the rabbit-running Nadal took an MTO to get a thigh massage… while the mono-compromised Federer lost his rhythm, focus, the first set and eventually the three-set match.]

Federer played what seemed to be a B quality outdoor match against Kohlschreiber – could not see the match properly and whole match because ESPN2 co-broadcast the Delpo-Thiem match next to or over the Federer match. Federer’s 171 total points played and 5, 027 feet ran in 1 hour 49 min was similar in effort to his match against Lopez. These two shorter matches should help him to recover from the exertions of his first two 5-setters as well as not overstrain his back.

But Fed’s next two matches (Delpo, Nadal) could each end up being long tough back-breakers. Federer has the toughest draw before the semifinals, having to play three seeds (31 Lopez, 33 Kohlscreiber, 24 Delpo); former US Open champ Delpo who has proven over and over again what a determined competitor he is in marathon matches; Youzhny (2-time USO semifinalist 2010 and 2006; 2013 QF; former World No. 8 with 10 career titles). Federer faced in the first round 19-year old Tiafoe (No. 9 next gen player; youngest player to win the Orange Bowl; potential future Grand Slam champion) is similar to Nadal facing in the quarterfinal 19-year old Rublev (No. 5 next gen player). Federer’s draw has been like a decadent chocolate cake filled with high-quality ingredients.

In comparison, Nadal has been munching on the unseeded players of his luuuuckyyy CUPCAKE draw.

Nadal’s best match of the tournament was, according to his opponent, due more to the opponent’s mistakes than Nadal’s quality. Dogopolov: “I was a bit flat today.’’ When asked if he thought Nadal could win the Open, Dolgopolov said Monday’s match was not a barometer. “He’s one of the best players but it’s tough to say for me because I played bad. He didn’t do much today. He was solid but I was mistaking a lot and deciding most of the points. It’s tough to say how good he played.”

Dolgopolov: “For me it’s tougher to play Roger. He takes my time away. Rafa gives me the time to hit my shots. With Roger when he’s playing well, you don’t touch the ball. You don’t decide that much against him as you do with Rafa. Rafa is aggressive but he gives you time. Roger makes you play his serve, which is stronger than Rafa’s. You get less chances of playing your own game [against Roger].’’
http://nypost.com/2017/09/04/rafael-nadals-latest-us-open-victim-betting-on-roger-federer/


gonzalowski Says:

Tony N, agree, I can see what Dolgopolov is saying.

about Fed MTO, Pat Cash 2017, on medical times requested by Roger Federer in the semifinals and end of the Australian Open 2017. “It is a trap and is being allowed to do but it is not the right thing,” he argued


Navdeep Says:

Tony N
All these just to bash Rafa! Some of you can never change.Rather than supporting your own guy you like bashing other players more.Grow up man!


gonzalowski Says:

And about draws, pretty similar, to me, a priori:
Rafa: Gasquet 26, Berdych 15, Dimitrov 7 (plus Fognini, Goffin)

Fed: Feliciano 31, Kyrgios 14, Thiem 6 (plus Delpo, Roberto Baurista…)


Giles Says:

Sooo fed just wanted a rub down. Back’s absolutely fine, no problems. Lol


James Says:

Fed is playing below par, still doesn’t seem totally fit. Will probably beat Delpo easily since Delpo can’t have much left.

Nadal has had an easier time, is totally fit, and courts have been slowed down further. Will be tough for Fed to beat him. Can’t see Rublev taking even a set.


Markus Says:

Gonzalowski: Tony N was not bashing Rafa. Read it again. He was simply tossing back the cupcakes Rafa fans have been baking, not knowing that it has been Rafa who has been eating them.


Noonen Says:

Great match! Del Po is so likable. But, though I was blessed when I saw him cross himself, I learned he has a girlfriend who sometimes travels with him. Do you think they are staying in separate rooms? It is called fornication which is a sin. Psalm 93: 5 says, “holiness becomes thy house, O Lord . . .” That means holiness is fitting or appropriate for a Christian. NO ONE can be called a fine Christian if he is living in sin. Period.


BBB Says:

Matthew 7:1 “Judge not, that ye be not judged.”


Noonen Says:

“. . . holiness, without which no man shall see our Lord.” Hebrews 12: 14


Tennis Vagabond Says:

Great matches last night. Fed looking much better. Not great, but much better. Backhand starting to click.
Del Potro match was so exciting That forehand! He is here, in the QF, because he is able to regularly hit the 2H BH now. It is not a weapon like it used to be, but its a very good rally shot. He hits it deep and puts his opponents on their heels to set up the FH, and when he mixes it with his new-ish slice BH, it makes him a more complete player, even if he’s not what he once was. Its also a sign that he is getting confidence in that left wrist, which gives reason to hope it (the 2H BH) can still improve.
With his sickness, his lack of speed was really on display last night. If Thiem played closer to the baseline and hit flatter balls he could have taken advantage of that.


Tennis Vagabond Says:

And now for the lamest QF lineup I’ve ever seen at a Slam. Ever.
12 vs 29
17 vs 28

How??


Margot Says:

Noonen @ 8.13
“Let s/he without sin, cast the first stone”
God botherers need to stay away from secular tennis sites.


BBB Says:

You conveniently left out the first part of that passage, Noonen: “Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord.” Not sure how prying into other people’s private relationships, and judging them for it, is following peace. Or holiness.


Lylenubbins Says:

Way to go Delpo. See if Delpo has anything left or if he runs out of gas like at he Olympics.

Rublev is a threat to Rafa. Young big hitter, danger. If they play at night, worse.


montecarlo Says:

I hope Delpo at least plays his match against Federer.


J-Kath Says:

No-One:

What makes you think Del Potro is a Christian? – he could belong to a cult, be Jewish, Mormon; Polygyny – or a no. of others….


Wog Boy Says:

“Seeded” Kohl was a real challenge for 36 year old.

Ok, legend tour is officially over with “seeded” Kohl so now they have to start topping up 36 years old with juices, no more oldies left in the draw..apart of one, rejuvenated one….after six months break and TUE discovery;)


Daniel Says:

Lylenubbins,

No way Nadal plays next match at night. Fed x DelPo is former final and will get the prime time spot. JUst don´t knwo if they will place their match 7 om or second match on Ashe.
Based on todays schedule, Nadla match will be noon (like PCb x Schwatrz) and FelPo second match on Ashe (as Querrey match tonight).

Big question is DelPo, fitness and flu. It can get worst or he may be feeling better. But Fed is definetly heavy favorite in that match.

Rublev may win a set, first one if he starts well and Nadal already think in Fed semis. But we learn with Nadal that he adapts, start returning better as the match went on and the most rally shots he start finding his margin. Rublev has the game and power, but I think at this stage maturity also counts.


J-Kath Says:

Wog Boy – see the August “off-tennis” blogs…..


BBB Says:

Maybe Delpo can consult with Serena about winning tough matches while ill…. They just showed her AO final against Sharapova, where Serena threw up before coming on court and proceeded to hit insane shots….


Giles Says:

https://thesportsrush.com/roger-federer-reveals-took-medical-time/
He needed a rub on his bottom!! The cheek of the man!! 👎👎👎👎👎


t4t Says:

Wog Boy @10:18 am
Legends tour!!!
ROFL!!!


Wog Boy Says:

JK,
Actually Delpo is a catholic, he crosses himself after every match and I respect that very much, though I am not catholic and we cross ourselves differently.

Don’t worry about Noonen, he had same question for Nole before, that’s his opinion and his right to believe in it, but can’t force it on others.

PS
If I am to be judged using Noonen’s criteria I would end up in Dante’s ninth circle of hell…and I probably will..


Markus Says:

Hopefully, the next year will bring more exciting matches. By that time, Djokovic may have already found something to replace his miraculous “gluten-free” diet that transformed him from a habitual, gasping, gassed-out, match retiree into a relentless, tireless performing machine.


RZ Says:

You all know I’m the Team Thiem captain here, but yesterday’s match was instructive on what he needs to work on. The court positioning has been obvious, and it seems like he’s been trying to work on that (but it’s difficult to move forward when someone hits as hard and deep as JMDP). But Thiem needs to beef up that 2nd serve and improve his net play. He missed some important points at the net. He was often in the right spot at the net at the right time but netted the shot. Hopefully he’ll be working on all those things.


skeezer Says:

Daniel,
Thought i heard the commies sayin Delpo was not feeling well a few days prior to the match so maybe he is on the tail end of it? Seems so as if you were in the middle of your illness and had a fever no way you get more energy later in the match. He looked down for the count there in the second bending over gasping for air…..
Agree with you about Rafa’s match. One thing he has shown this tournament is his experience. He takes the initial onslaught—bides his time— and wears out his opponent in the end….


Wog Boy Says:

JK,

Sorry, I didn’t get that one, August one, can you give me a link please?


skeezer Says:

WB,
Look under “Off Topic” thread.


skeezer Says:

RZ,
Re; Thiem
Thiem is a force. He should still hang his head high for the future. But when Delpo’s FH is clicking, well NOBODY can withstand it. It’s the best FH in the game when on. IF you see him hit it if you’re watching in person you can see the difference. It’s a cannon. What’s amazing was there was a clock on Thiems strokes awhile back and he was one of the hardest hitters on tour.
If Delpo is healthy, am picking him to take down Fed as he has found a way to hit over his BH again. Key.


RZ Says:

Latest Racquet Bracket update: the_mind_reels has surged into first place!

Margot is now in 2nd. Big props to her for correctly picking a Schwartzman/Carreno Busta quarterfinal. (That may be the most impressive correct prediction we’ve had all year considering the chaos in the bottom quarter).


RZ Says:

@Skeezer – I wouldn’t say he’s a force yet, but he’s getting there and will have a bright future (assuming that at some point, the Big 4, Stan, and DelPo will eventually retire from the sport). For most of the match he did a pretty good job staying away from DelPo’s forehand, but DelPo’s backhand wasn’t doing too badly either.


Daniel Says:

Indeed RZ, I am cheering for Margot, and she also picked PCB for semis. That is the pick of the tournament.

Only one standing in her way would be the only guy/girl who picked Nadal all the way, in that case (Nadal winning), he wins.


Margot Says:

RZ and Daniel, why thank you kindly. Guest appearances and autographs are available……;) No chance of me getting big headed tho. as other bracket is…ahem…ahem….at the bottom! Oh the shame….
Daniel: if PCB doesn’t get to the semis, the_mind_reels wins, as we’ve both gone for Fed.


skeezer Says:

Margot is a Nostradamus


BBB Says:

As someone with asthma, I can say that eliminating gluten and dairy from my diet has almost completely eliminated my attacks. It has improved my lung capacity and endurance, including lowering my max heart rate when I do intense training. There is a wealth of scientific evidence supporting the argument that if you are immuno-compromised, wheat and dairy are inflammatory and aggravate your symptoms.


J-Kath Says:

WogBoy: There’s a non-tennis thread on Tx which still shows non-tenis news. If you go into August Blog you should reach it. First time I’ve used it. Alternatively just hit my heading comment in the main side box which will take you in.


J-Kath Says:

Taa Skeezer.


J-Kath Says:

Yep, I knew Del Potro was a Catholic – but felt “No-one” was preaching and “no-one” assumed he/she was the voice of God etc.


Okiegal.... Says:

Margot…..Way to go…..the Swartzman/Busta pick was nothing short of AMAZING!! You must have a crystal ball tucked away somewhere!! Lol


Tony N Says:

gonzalowski: “about Fed MTO, Pat Cash 2017, on medical times requested by Roger Federer in the semifinals and end of the Australian Open 2017”

Good question. So let’s understand what happened and why Pat Cash is a publicity-seeking, disingenuous and hypocritical piece of ….

Pat Cash had made wild claims on BBC radio that Federer’s medical timeouts in the semifinal and final of the Australian Open were ‘legal cheating’: “It’s cheating and it’s being allowed. It’s legal cheating but it’s still not right. It’s wrong, wrong and wrong.”

Federer rebutted Pat Cash’s dishonest speculation by explaining that his quad and groin started hurting in the second and third sets against Nadal in the final. In the AO final post-match press conference, Federer was asked: “The medical timeout, there were some quite adverse comments about that… Critical comments. I think Pat Cash said it was legalized cheating. Can you tell us what was going on there, what the reason was?” Fed answered: “I explained myself a couple of days ago after the Stan (Wawrinka semifinal) match. Yeah, my leg has been hurting me since the (Noah) Rubin match. I was happy that I was able to navigate through the pain. For some reason against Stan I had it from the start on both sides of the groin. After (Wawrinka) took a medical timeout, I thought I could also take one (MTO) for a change and see if actually something like a massage during the match is actually going to help me. It did a little bit potentially. I’m not sure. And then today (AO final against Nadal) I felt my quad midway through the second set already. The groin started to hurt midway through the third set. I just told myself: the rules are there, you can use them. I also think we shouldn’t be abusing these rules or abusing the system. I think I’ve led the way for 20 years. So I think (Pat Cash) to be critical there is exaggerating. I’m the last guy to call a medical time-out. I don’t know what he’s talking about.” No journalist challenged Federer’s explanation or followed up with more questions.

Federer’s explanation had credibility because Fed has one of the lowest medical timeout rates of any top 100 player in 49 years of the Open Era. Federer has taken only about 10 medical timeouts in 1,332 career matches over his entire 19-year career (up to 2017 AO) – that’s about 1 MTO every 2 seasons. If other players had felt that Fed had abused the MTO system, they would not have voted to give him the ATP Sportsmanship Award so many times. Furthermore, it is plausible that Federer needed treatment on his 35-year old body. In the AO final against Nadal, Fed’s movement and footwork dipped in the fourth set, indicating an injury. Federer had played 3 five-setters in his last 4 matches; his leg injury in 2016 was serious enough to require surgery; he had played 1,332 career matches (second only to Jimmy Connors in the entire Open Era since 1968); and he had not played competitive tennis for 6 months so the shock of matchplay was likely to cause injuries.

Now here is why Pat Cash is dishonest and hypocritical. In both matches, Fed’s younger opponents had taken breaks before he did. It’s a double standard that Pat Cash highlighted 35-year old Federer’s medical timeout for an injury during the set break after the fourth set while conveniently omitting to mention that Wawrinka had taken a medical timeout at the end of the second set – when Federer was leading 7-5, 6-3 and headed for a straight set victory as Wawrinka had smashed his racquet on his knee and had lost belief.

Second, Cash also conveniently omitted to mention that 5-years younger Nadal took a bathroom break after being dominated in the first set (Federer led 28-21 points) – when Fed was in complete control and had the momentum to roll over Nadal in straight sets. Come on, who needs to take a 4-minute bathroom break to pee after after just 10 games? TV commentator John McEnroe said that Nadal was trying to disrupt Federer’s momentum: “Momentum swing? Already Rafa is feeling the pressure… clearly part of it was due to the fact that this guy the great Roger Federer was able to pick his game up…” A few minutes later McEnroe said that Nadal “made a real attempt to slow things down… he took a (bathroom) break, he left the court, he kept Roger waiting…”? It’s possible that Federer — who had been dominating Nadal — would have won the match in straight sets had his momentum not been disrupted by Nadal’s bathroom break. If the match ended in three sets, then there would have been no fifth set and therefore no need for Federer to call an MTO. So why was Cash’s big mouth silent on Nadal’s bathroom break, which was immediately followed by Nadal gaining the upper hand in the second set and which caused Federer’s medical timeout three sets later?

Indeed, has Cash ever criticized or mentioned any of Nadal’s untimely medical timeouts? For example, at 2011 Wimbledon against Del Potro, Nadal took a medical timeout at 6-6 in the first set, just before the tiebreak. Del Potro was livid about the timing of Nadal’s MTO and complained to the umpire and another official about the delay, presumably because he was denied the opportunity to close out the set. When the match resumed, Nadal ran like a rabbit and won the tiebreak 8-6. At 2010 Wimbledon, Nadal called for an MTO while losing 2 sets to 1 to Phillip Petzschner. When asked if he thought Nadal used gamesmanship, Petzschner replied: “I cannot say this. You have to ask him what it was. But I didn’t feel any difference afterwards or before — I thought he was moving great. I only could say if I would be injured like this once I would be happy. No, but I don’t know. Maybe he had something. Maybe it was just a clever part to take a timeout there.”
https://anygivensurface.wordpress.com/2011/06/29/unfair-advantage-nadal-and-the-mto/
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=11195555

And let’s not forget Djokovic, e.g., during 2016 US Open final, when Djokovic took a 7-minute MTO while trailing 3-1 in the fourth set, claiming that he needed treatment on a toe injury (the rules state the player should wait for the changeover unless he has an “acute” problem). Patrick McEnroe criticized Djokovic: “A complete abuse of the rules.” Again not mentioned by Cash.

Pat Cash’s dishonest soundbite achieved his goal: publicity for his commentary career. But is Cash a credible voice on the issue of sportsmanship and gamesmanship? The Aussie Pat Cash has had a beef with Federer ever since the great Aussie Roy Emerson (28 major titles) criticized Pat Cash as a “performing seal” for starting the trend of the champion celebrating grand slam wins by leaping into the stands and leaving his vanquished opponent on his own on the court. Emerson saw that as “deeply unsporting and disrespectful”. Emerson said “When I spoke to Roger Federer after he won his first Wimbledon title, in 2003, I congratulated him. But I didn’t congratulate him on winning his first Wimbledon, I congratulated him on how he behaved after he won the title. He stayed down on the court with his opponent, Mark Philippoussis.” (Read “Don’t clap the performing seals, says Emerson” in The Telegraph newspaper)


Margot Says:

OKgiel: I did rather well…ahem…in the Wimbledon challenge as well. Perhaps I should consider placing a few bets..:)
skeeze: nostradameus surely? ;)


skeezer Says:

Margot: Tomaytoe Tomahtoe… :)


SG1 Says:

Wondering why Thiem played so many shots to the Delpo forehand. I doubt JMDP had more than 3 or 4 BH winners for the entire 5 sets. This being said, JMDP’s forehand is an absolute monster shot. Federer has the best and most versatile forehand ever but JMDP’s forehand is a frightening piece of work. JMDP’s forehand is way up there all time. Perhaps 2nd only to Federer. On Delpo’s good days, it may be the most dominating groundstroke I’ve ever seen.


SG1 Says:

Thiem has to be kicking himself this morning.


Tony N Says:

Navdeep: Do you also chastise those who bash Federer…. or do you have double standards due to hypocrisy? Grow up man!


Pamela Says:

J KAth – Del Potro always crosses himself after a win… that would mean he is catholic, right? Also, Markus you said exactly what I was thinking. I did not think Tony N was bashing Rafa either. Simply laying out the facts.. Also, as he said Roger rarely takes breaks and rafa seems to stretch those as far as he can without stepping over the line. close, but not over the line. many players have waited for rafa who was loosing and having trouble, only to come back after his breaks with renewed energy. not saying it is good, bad, fair or not.. just stating the facts.. neither rafa or roger have been playing their best, but I do think Roger has had a harder draw. and kudos for delpo for digging deep and finding a way…


skeezer Says:

Tony N
Put Feds name instead of Rafa in that post you are talking about. Then that poat carries no bite. If any “bashing” comes from me it is only in response to the ones p!ssin on Fed for no good reason. Rafa is an all time great. Some of his fans? Smh.

How tall is The Schwartz?


autoFilter Says:

5’7″


BBB Says:

There’s no such thing as legal cheating. If you’re complying with the rules, you’re not cheating. You may be stretching the rules, or abusing them, but it isn’t cheating.

Two situations that bothered me were Peng against Wozniacki at the US Open about 3 years ago, where Peng was obviously cramping. I know it’s hard to walk away from a match, but you have to have the integrity to do it. You cannot take MTOs for cramps. It’s expressly prohibited.

There was also an episode with Cornet at the French Open, maybe last year, where she got a number of MTOs that commentators said were not permitted by the rules. I can’t remember why – I think maybe you only get one MTO per injury, and she was taking MTOs after every service game or some such.


skeezer Says:

So on court coaching is cheating right?


BBB Says:

Yes, with the exception of the WTA non-majors, where it’s allowed. I forget who it was over the weekend, but someone’s coach signaled for them to change racquets. I understand that the prohibition on on-court coaching is honored in the breach, and there’s an increasingly lackadaisical attitude toward it, but if they don’t care, then change the rule.


skeezer Says:

Thanks BBB & autofilter.
i remember when Rafa and hia team got busted and fined for that.


BBB Says:

It was a real problem with Sharapova as well – to her credit, which I don’t usually give her, she banished Yuri from her matches.

I would make a distinction between actual coaching (e.g. motions to hit a forehand) vs. fist pumps and the like. But the rule doesn’t.


Daniel Says:

PCB about to reach semis without lsing a set. OK he hasn´t play stiff competiton, but even, so, it is an achievement. And if Querrey is not on his A service game, PCB can get a lot of returns in. One of them will be finalis, PCB or Querrey. Can’t see Anderson beating Querrey agaisnt night NYC crowd.


Tony N Says:

Skeezer: “If any “bashing” comes from me it is only in response to the ones p!ssin on Fed for no good reason. Rafa is an all time great. Some of his fans? Smh.”
Agreed.

Pamela: “I did not think Tony N was bashing Rafa either. Simply laying out the facts.”
Yes.
And yes, Juan Martin is Catholic, probably Roman Catholic since 90% of Argentinians are Roman Catholic.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/profiles/juan-martin-del-potro-to-win-first-you-have-to-know-how-to-lose-2286506.html


nachof Says:

Noonen is likely a teenager.
These kinds of obsessions go away with christian life maturity.


Navdeep Says:

Skeezer
Fed is an all time great n I never like to pinpoint any wrong things about him.He is at top of the gamw because he deserves. But I just hate when someone disrespect or tries to bash an all time great because of their favourite. Fed Rafa and Novak are the 3 greatest player ever but somehow there are few who just see the negative side of them.
Mr.Tony N I have seen your earliest posts so please don’t act like a saint because your completely aren’t. You do talk negative about Rafa whenever you get the chance


the_mind_reels Says:

@Margot: well done on your bracket! PBC is a game away from locking it up against Diego, so I think you’ll get that pick! Luca “Phooey” really screwed me, it would seem. Had him going a lot deeper! At least now I can focus just on the matches and not on the bracket too ;)


the_mind_reels Says:

^ PCB


Margot Says:

Wow! Congrats to me and….oh yes Pablo too!
Cheers the_mind_reels! Love the French players but………


BBB Says:

Navdeep – I agree with you. It’s too bad the positive and negative points of all the players can’t be discussed with some objectivity.


Tony N Says:

Navdeep: You obviously are incapable of distinguishing my objective arguments based on facts and others whose opinions are based on fiction. Now it’s clear that you have a delusion that you actually know (a) how a saint acts and (b) I’m completely not a saint. Your hubris combined with your lack of objectivity and a sense of reality is worrisome. If you had any courage in your position, you would attempt to rebut my arguments.


RZ Says:

Well done to PCB for reaching the semis (and to Margot who moves into first place in the Bracket with that prediction)


Navdeep Says:

Tony N
You win man. You have all the knowledge and I am just a dumb guy . Happy now ! Bye


skeezer Says:

Navdeep,
I get your point. Fair enough.

I agree that they all are all time greats. And they will be remembered as that, no doubt.

When you bash a fav by initiating ridiculous jealous stuff like “cupcake draws”, “lucky” and “seeds” with respect to a guy who has bagged 19 Slams, you can expect some blowback.


madmax Says:

These Medical Time Outs! Oh, THAT old chestnut!

https://anygivensurface.wordpress.com/2011/06/29/unfair-advantage-nadal-and-the-mto/

Let’s look back at a few timeouts taken by Nadal during important matches:

1) Finals at Monte-Carlo, 2008 – Federer was leading 5-2 in the first set and Nadal calls for a timeout. When treatment was over, Nadal played brilliantly to defeat Federer. (This is of importance as Fed then loses French Open and then Wimbledon in the epic match to Nadal)

2) Finals at Hamburg, 2008 : A time break, which lasted for 6 minutes, was called by Nadal for thigh massage, just before Federer was going to serve for the set. Obvious result: Federer lost his own serve and eventually the match.

3) Wimbledon 2008 : It is well known to the world about the time taken by Nadal / Djokovic between serving. In the epic final Nadal, in a mean, took about 30 seconds. (Rule was for 25 seconds)

4) Wimbledon 2010 : Against Philipp Petzschner, he called his trainer numerous times on the court. Nadal won 6-4, 4-6, 6-7 (5), 6-2, 6-3. Petzschner said he did not notice a difference in Nadal’s movements before and after the timeouts.

5) Wimbledon 2011 : Nadal calls for a timeout at 6-6 in the first set and goes on to win the match against Del Potro.

http://healthnsports4u.blogspot.se/2011/06/rafael-nadals-injury-timeouts-strategy.html


madmax Says:

amongst many others…


gonzalowski Says:

Tony N,
good points, thank you for your time, maybe you’require right

after Fed MTO against Wawa, AOL 2017 5th set:
http://www.tennisnow.com/Blogs/NET-POSTS/January-2017/Federer-Opens-up-about-the-Psychology-of-the-MTO.aspx

“I only really did take the timeout because I thought, He took one already, maybe I can take one for a change, because I’m not a believer in any way that we should be allowed to take a lot of timeouts. But I took it after the set break.”


gonzalowski Says:

Anyway, from the fab four, I would say Fed is the most sportman. but it’s not Mother Teresa!!


J-Kath Says:

Pamela: Yes, I’ve seen Del Potro in the flesh crossing himself – the point I tried to make was “no-one” has the right to assume behaviour based on a supposed religion etc. all good religions are based on understanding, non-judgment, and acceptance.


Okiegal Says:

Rafa’s MTOs have been posted on TX so many times I have them all memorized by heart!! EEEK call the doctor!! 😷😷😷


Tony N Says:

Gonzalowski: You’re welcome. It’s unlikely or extremely rare that a person would be as virtuous as ‘Mother Theresa’, not even Mother Theresa (see “Criticism of Mother Teresa” in Wikipedia). People like to believe blindly in their fantasies. Those who have carefully followed my posts know that I don’t consider Federer beyond criticism or question. It’s all relative and, fortunately for the our sport, Fed is on the very positive side of that spectrum.

In their post-match interviews, Wawrinka and Federer said the following (see below). I would not take these unedited off-the-cuff verbal remarks in post-match interview too literally.

Q. “Did his medical timeout, the timing of it, stop your momentum a little bit?”
Wawrinka: “No, I don’t think so. Anyway it’s a set break, so it’s a longer break. I took one when I need it. We both know each other. We’re not the (type of) player who took extra medical timeout. If we take it, it’s because we need it. I took it when I need it; he took it when he need it. I went to the toilet in the same time. If you look in the end, the fifth set, I had some opportunity at the beginning. I don’t think it didn’t affect anything on the score.”
http://www.asapsports.com/show_interview.php?id=126721

Q. “You said on the court you never take the timeouts. That’s kind of a new turn for you. Did it help to give you a chance to clear your head before the fifth set?”
Federer: “Yeah, I mean, I think these injury timeouts, I think they’re more mental than anything else. Okay, normally you would have to do it on court. If you do groin or something like that, or a tape way up there, you have to go off court. For the first time maybe during a match you can actually talk to someone, even if it’s just a physio. We know him well. It maybe relaxed Stan, you know, just to be able to talk about I don’t know what. The same thing for me, as well. You start chatting about it, how good or bad the leg is, how you hope it’s going to turn around. That can leave a positive effect on you when you come back. I only really did take the timeout because I thought, He took one already, maybe I can take one for a change, because I’m not a believer in any way that we should be allowed to take a lot of timeouts. But I took it after the set break. Yeah, people know I don’t abuse the system. I hope it’s going to stay that way in the future for me, too.”
http://www.asapsports.com/show_interview.php?id=126720


t4t Says:

From Fed’s statements it is clear he takes MTOs and bathroom breaks not for the purpose they are meant but to gain an advantage. Gamesmanship!


t4t Says:

I don’t know why we should talk about any religion other than the Fed cult. This is a tennis site.
“Federer, He is God; there is no other besides Him.”


Berghain Says:

t4t
what about the guy that keeps inventing these magic potions you keep mentioning? Perhaps we should worship him.

I love Feds Potion Master, cant wait to see what hes cooked up for the semis. Magic Potions till he retires pls!

All hail the Potion Master


Tony N Says:

t4t: what you really meant to say is… from your idol Djokovic’s statements (see links) it is clear he takes MTOs etc. not for the purpose they are meant but to gain an advantage. Gamesmanship!!!
http://legacy.sandiegouniontribune.com/uniontrib/20050831/news_1s31openmen.html
http://www.johnfmurray.com/news-events/gamesmanship-cheating-tennis/

I know you desperately want to fantasize such bad things about Federer… but you have leapt to the wrong conclusion given that earlier in the interview Fed already stated that his leg was injured (“Like I said on court, the leg wasn’t better or worse in the fifth. I felt tightness throughout the match, and I felt like it slowed me down. I just hoped that maybe having the physio work on it, that it would make me feel better. But it didn’t.)” Furthermore, two days later AFTER he won the final he revealed that (a) he had been suffering a groin (adductor) injury since the second round and (b) during the Wawrinka match he felt the injury on both sides of his groin.

In this semifinal post-match interview, Fed was obviously beating around the bush to avoid revealing the specific nature of his groin injury to the Nadal camp before the final.

Despite being injured, Federer heroically avoided taking an MTO to treat his injury… until he played an opponent (Wawrinka) who took an MTO first.

Thus t4t, you have helped us realize Federer’s sportsmanship and fairness.


Daniel Says:

Wow, Anderson made 2 amazing returns back to back after Querrey’s first serves in when he was up 5-4 in breaker with a mini break, and he wins the set.


Daniel Says:

The match started slow but now they are both playing greta and ending most points on winners, some amazing shots, from both.


Daniel Says:

Querrey, choking a 6-1 lead in tiebreak, he had 3 set points on serve and couldn’t find a first serve in. Made DF on 6-5. If he loses this set he cracks.


FedExpress Says:

How screwd is the schedule?

1) Bottom half gets two days rest
2) Why put Federer as the last Night match on AA?


gonzalowski Says:

Kevin Anderson wins, 2:00 am. He beat Carreño this August 6-3 7-6 at Canada Masters


Margot Says:

Well played Kevin Anderson!
Now didn’t someone on here say Querrey couldn’t lose in front of NYC crowd? Never say never my dears!


Willow Says:

Plenty of players are guilty of the MTO thingy end of ….


Daniel Says:

That was me Margot, thought the way Querrey played last match would be enough. Great result for Anderson.


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