Roger Federer Wins 3 ATP Awards, Denis Shapovalov Takes 2

All rigged! Swindle of the year!
Show us the votes.

November 10th, 2017 at 12:34 pm

i don’t like ATP World Tour Awards because in my opinion there are always monopoly on decisions.

November 10th, 2017 at 12:35 pm

Congrats to Fed. A very fair system and deservedly won. Apparently Giles didn’t vote on the Fans award.
” Roger Federer took home three awards. The Swiss won Comeback Player of the Year, Fan Favorite and the Sportsmanship award.”
Yeah BABY!
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Hey Giles you can go here and ask them;
http://www.atpworldtour.com/en
Let us know what you find out. hahahahahaha

November 10th, 2017 at 12:43 pm

Skeezer. Don’t be silly. They are part of the big swindle.

November 10th, 2017 at 12:51 pm

Guess ATP #1 player of the year of the year is a swindle too. Denis Shapovalov must be bogus too. Bryans as fans fav another bogus. Hahahahah love the logic of the haters.

November 10th, 2017 at 12:54 pm

I guess the only thing I am good for is the number 1 ranking.

I don’t get fries or a drink with that.

November 10th, 2017 at 12:57 pm

No doubt…..still the GOAT !

November 10th, 2017 at 1:01 pm

Skeezer. The ATP #1 player of the year is the only true prize. The player with the most ranking points earns that accolade. So cannot be a swindle.

November 10th, 2017 at 1:27 pm

Giles,
“All rigged! Swindle of the year!”
You said ALL rigged, so typical. When Rafa’s name is involved, all of the sudden you make an exception. ROFL.
You discount all the tennis fans of the world who voted, saying it’s rigged. You discounted all the ATP professional tennis players who voted, saying its a swindle. I say hogwash you are just hating.
Aren’t you in fact saying that the ATP does rigged things, and swindles? Sure sounds like it. Why should you believe the point system is not rigged then? Who’s to say Rafa is truly # 1 by your standards? Hahahahaha

November 10th, 2017 at 1:34 pm

World #1 Player of the Year works on ranking points that a player has earned throughout the year. This is not something that is voted on. Can’t you understand that skeezer?
Votes are rigged.

November 10th, 2017 at 1:40 pm

Wow. Roger. You have done it again. No surprise. I was pretty sure you would get those 3 awards. You are most beloved by fans around the world. No doubt about that. 15 straight years is no fluke. 13 years of Sportsmanship award also mean you are truly loved by your fellow playes not only on and off courts but also in locker room. Comeback player award also make sense when you won most title of the years till now and beat World No. 1 player 4 times in this year.

November 10th, 2017 at 1:50 pm

Well said Bom! Woot!

November 10th, 2017 at 1:55 pm

It must drive the haters wild, how admired and beloved Roger is, by so many all around the world.

Maybe we should pity the poor haters?

Anyway, many congratulations to Roger for the most recent honors in his glorious career!

November 10th, 2017 at 1:57 pm

Agree with frank p frankovich: RAFA still the GOAT. Well done.

November 10th, 2017 at 2:57 pm

Cult is out in full force.

Very objective system of nomination and voting, last year he won it even playing only half of the season, I mean on what ground you nominate someone when he played only half of the season, very lousy one too, very objective award indeed.

November 10th, 2017 at 3:14 pm

JK,
Respectfully disagree, Scottie Pippen said that Nole is the GOAT;)

November 10th, 2017 at 3:16 pm

Sounds like the whole tennis community — players and fans alike — is a cult then.

November 10th, 2017 at 3:22 pm

^^^
“..whole..” really? You got carried away, just little bit:))

November 10th, 2017 at 3:25 pm

It is not even “whole” on TX.

November 10th, 2017 at 3:28 pm

Hardly think me, Kath and RZ add up to a “cult.” A coven perhaps……

November 10th, 2017 at 3:45 pm

WogBoy: We ain’t seen much of Nole lately – but yes, he has a decent claim on the title — but currently it is Rafa doing the work.

Think a bit deeper WB, re. my 2.57pm comment…..there’s more to it than meets the eye…….???

@ 3.22pm: Oh dearie me – “a cult?” – a coven perhaps as Margot suggested or even the Three Muskateers!

November 10th, 2017 at 4:36 pm

JK,

I know, I know, I was just teasing, your comment was reaction and not action, if that sounds right in English:)

November 10th, 2017 at 4:50 pm

GOAT, of course no such thing exists because you can’t compare well across eras, and it is purely subjective…but on preferences:

Most Decorated Player – Roger Federer.
Most Beloved by the Edberg Prize Committee – Roger Federer
The toughest player – Rafael Nadal. It is scary to think what his Slam Count and overall trophy count would be but for injury, inability to win indoors, and his fall falling off in half the years he played but for tennis burnout.
Best on Clay – Rafa, ‘natch.
Best on hardcourt and grass – Sampras, when the surfaces were faster.
Best player ever based on the top form a player showed in a year, with level of competition factored in. Novak Djokovic in 2011 for reinventing himself and bettering the two regarded as the co-GOATs at (Rafa) or near (Roger) their own peaks. Then on results, Novak in 2015. A Stanimal away from no doubt. I would not argue against Roger’s inclusion for 2006 as better than one of Doko’s years, but not both and being above Novak as the top guy. And very close – Rafa’s 2008 and 2010 years. Connors going 93-4 in a different era, Lavers 106-16 mark in his 2nd Grand Slam year, 1969. John MacEnroe who not only ruled tennis 82-3 in singles, but was dominant in doubles as well. Sampras deserves mention. Roger’s 2004 as well even if he was beating up on a lower talent field.

Most decorated year. Laver or Djokovic.

Best player ever

November 10th, 2017 at 5:43 pm

TMR was just saying the obvious with all the ridiculous “Cult” accusations. There is no Fed Cult here. If there is, there is surely a Djoker, Nadal & Murray ones. It’s an imaginary name the haters say when they are desperate for attention and don’t want to accept the hard earned effort of an all time champion. Thank goodness the players do, and the majority of the Planet.

November 10th, 2017 at 5:49 pm

@CF1,
Thank goodness your “subjectiveness” is not allowed in the ATP awards every year. You would have Djoker winning all the awards this year. You know these are awards for the year, right? Not for a criteria you like? Which is….oh yeah……subjective.

November 10th, 2017 at 5:56 pm

Wog Boy: I’m laughing – let me see if I can convey it without being too revealing – it was holding the cat’s ass to the fire but in reverse….a tactic for the opposition.

November 10th, 2017 at 6:46 pm

Federer and Rafa Nadal are the greatest modern rivals in tennis. But they’re also friends.

Check out this beautiful illustration we made of the two of them hugging each other at the Laver cup! It’s free :-)

Have a nice day tennis friends!!

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November 10th, 2017 at 8:37 pm

Nadal cones back to become world number one: Comeback player goes to Federer.

A. Zverev improves to world number 3: Most improved goes to Shapovalov

Zverev Sr coaches two players, one becomes number 3, the other reaches 25th, A Zverev beats Anderson in both meetings: Coach of the year goes to: Neville Godwin, Anderson’s coach.

????????????????

November 11th, 2017 at 9:44 am

…I forgot Uncle Toni who coaches Nadal to number 1 with 2 major and2 Masters 1000 titles and Ljubicic who coaches Federer to number 2 with with 2 majors and 3 Masters 1000. The player Godwin coaches won no majors or Masters 1000.

I keep scratching my head…

November 11th, 2017 at 9:51 am

Markus Cults haven’t any logic

November 11th, 2017 at 10:01 am

@Markus 9:44 am…Hey,good thoughts there bud!

November 11th, 2017 at 10:27 am

I thought Markus was part of the Cult but here he is trying to be fair! So I was wrong? My apologies, Markus.

November 11th, 2017 at 10:50 am

Markus: would all make sense if Anderson had got “most improved player.” But as it is……I’m joining the “bewildered bunch.” …;)

November 11th, 2017 at 10:52 am

If the #1 ranking wasn’t based on points, the ATP would engineer it so that Federer is number 1 every year. What a joke????!!!!

November 11th, 2017 at 11:37 am

I agree with senorita
#ATPisPathetic

November 11th, 2017 at 11:38 am

The Rafa Cult is alive and well lol.
Dang the ATP engineered the point system so Rafa could get #1. What a SHAM!
#pathetic

November 11th, 2017 at 12:07 pm

How can you have a whiff of an argument for an award the Players voted for? Duh, let’s see, who knows the players better, the number of fans, some who have never touched a tennis racket, or the professional players who spend a LOT of time on and off the court with the reciepeint? I think they, as a majority, have a ton more qualifications on who the awards should go to, not the jealous few….”oh my guy didn’t win” few.

Oh wait…so…it must be rigged! LMAO…..how? By the whole/all tennis professional players who voted?

Just have one thing to say about that. SHOW ME.

November 11th, 2017 at 12:19 pm

@skeezer: I’m accustomed to some of my comments not being interpreted correctly at this point, so all good, but thanks anyway! Yes, the point I was making was that these awards are voted on by fans and players; therefore, to imply that it’s rigged and that some cult is scheming behind this, then that cult must be all the people who vote…so players and fans everywhere.

I think my favorite comment from the last 24 hours was chrisford1:

“The toughest player – Rafael Nadal. It is scary to think what his Slam Count and overall trophy count would be but for injury, inability to win indoors, and his fall falling off in half the years he played but for tennis burnout.”

Yes, indeed it is scary to think about his slam count if he could be more successful on a surface that he’s not very successful on and was actually able to be healthy over a complete season! But that’s like a fantasy world that doesn’t exist. And this same logic of surface could apply to a lot of guys, including Federer on clay.

November 11th, 2017 at 2:15 pm

How do we know the majority of the players voted for Fed? Considering the draws are rigged, it is too much to expect the pathetic ATP guys to have fair polls. Also it is highly unlikely that year after year the players vote without pressure for the same guy especially as Djokovic and Nadal are also very popular with the players. What is it that Fed has done for them. It is only after Nadal quit his post in protest against injustices that Fed the establishment guy pleaded for better pay in the earlier rounds. The moment Fed asked, ATP agreed. All the polls prove is that the polls are rigged or the players dare not offend the powerful Fed who controls the ATP. In dictatorships, they always have polls and the dictatator always wins by a landslide.

November 11th, 2017 at 4:35 pm

“How do we know the majority of the players voted for Fed?”
That doesn’t even deserve an answer.
#pathetic

November 11th, 2017 at 4:58 pm

Giles Says:
All rigged! Swindle of the year!
Show us the votes.

November 10th, 2017 at 12:34 pm

The ATP is so embarrassed about the whole thing that they’ve done the presentation away from the public. They used to do it on court during the WTF. At least the real trophy for world # 1 will be presented live on TV tomorrow at the O2.

November 11th, 2017 at 5:01 pm

This is approaching conspiracy levels of the U.S. presidential elections. But let’s not open that can of worms. Because even though Trump *clearly* won the popular vote, the numbers were rigged.

November 11th, 2017 at 5:35 pm

Federer is Footballer of the Year.

November 11th, 2017 at 5:39 pm

Federer has now amassed 36 career awards. Some of those awards were for being #1.
Senorita,
How many you got? Or Rafa?
:)

November 11th, 2017 at 5:46 pm

Trump won the electoral votes. The popular vote was won by Clinton. The trouble with the cult is that they try to convince others with lies.

November 11th, 2017 at 5:46 pm

t4t, some people just don’t want to see the truth.

November 11th, 2017 at 6:19 pm

The cult members didn’t answer the question, on what ground 36 years old was nominated last year for sportsmanship award?
Let’s us not forget, players can vote only for the one of nominated players and ATP is nominating four players, also, not all players are eligible to vote, just certain (limited) numbers, so to say that all players voted him is plain wrong.
We know that thanks to 36 years old sore loser statment after losing to Berdych at W made Berdych gave his vote to Rafa the year Rafa won it.
Again, how shamelessly ATP nominated 36 years old last year when he played only half of the season.
At that rate they will keep nominating him even when he is in nursing home and he will keep winning it.

November 11th, 2017 at 6:29 pm

Ok, I give up.
I tried twice to correct all spelling and grammar mistakes in my post and to repost it and it is still under moderation for the reason known only to you or your computer software. So you can keep it as the souvenir now.

November 11th, 2017 at 6:32 pm

Some people don’t know what the truth is.
#denial

November 11th, 2017 at 6:38 pm

it’s nice to know Djoker probably voted for Fed, he earned and won it. Where does it say otherwise?

November 11th, 2017 at 7:32 pm

@t4t: thank you for setting me straight! I had totally been thinking the opposite this whole time. (If it wasn’t abundantly clear, I was joking.) #slowclap

November 11th, 2017 at 8:10 pm

the_mind_reels @8:10pm. Please do not underestimate me, my not-so-dear. It was definitely an attempt to mislead because if it was a joke, then there is no context for it. No doubt you had convinced yourself Trump won the popular vote just as you have convinced yourself that ATP is pure as driven snow and is doing everything by the book.

November 11th, 2017 at 8:54 pm

yes, Wog boy, why did ATP nominate Fed last year? So weird.

November 11th, 2017 at 9:03 pm

skeezer @6:38 pm. yup you are talking about the Cult. I agree with you completely. The Cult is in denial. Despite facts staring them in the face they keep demanding proof which is like being in denial that the sun rises in the east!
#Pathetic

November 11th, 2017 at 9:13 pm

Denial, denial, denial. I only believe these awards when it mostly favors my favorite player. Kind of like somebody we all know – only believes his intelligence community when their findings are against his political opponents and enemies. When finding is against Russia, nope, not possible – those findings become fake. See, I’m used to all this.

November 11th, 2017 at 10:20 pm

t4t,
You have never produced facts about this, so nobody is worried about it. You run away when asked for facts. I notice you like to talk Trump though.

#yourmojo

November 11th, 2017 at 10:53 pm

skeezer we don’t have to produce proof that something exists when you can see it in front of your eyes. You can see the sun right? Do I have to produce the sun? It is there for all to see!
#CultInDenial

November 11th, 2017 at 11:00 pm

Actually, Trump is Nadal fan.

haha

November 11th, 2017 at 11:02 pm

Well there is the problem, you cannot see what is in front of you! Lol!
Fed 36 Awards,
Well earned!
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Lets talk Djoker awards, or Rafa.

November 11th, 2017 at 11:08 pm

about nomination

DjokovicMurray is not nominated in the past

However, even if they are nominated…

and Nadal is nominated this year

November 11th, 2017 at 11:16 pm

The trouble with t4t is that it tries to convince others with its lies and misinformation about Trump and Clinton. Trump is tied to the fat elephant (of the Republican Party) while Clinton is tied to the donkey (of the Democratic Party). It was Russian meddling and Comey’s interference that likely won Trump a significant number of votes.

On the other hand, Federer is the all-round GOAT – a completely different animal. No Russian meddling has ever been alleged or detected in the voting of ATP players or the fans.

Federer’s 36 awards is a record that further underscores Federer’s all-round GOATness:
– ATP World Tour No. 1: 5 times
– Stefan Edberg Sportsmanship Award: 13 times
– ATPWorldTour.com Fans’ Favourite: 15 times
– Arthur Ashe Humanitarian Award: 2 times
– Comeback Player of the Year: 1 time

The sportsmanship award is an excellent measure. Brainwashed fans in self-denial are rigged into swindling themselves (in any case, they don’t know what pro players are really like except what the player’s publicity agents want them to believe). On the other hand, the ATP pros who see, work and interact with each other know what their colleagues are really like – including Federer, Nadal and Djokovic.

For example, World No. 55 Jared Donaldson: “(Federer) was super relaxed and super jovial… he was really friendly, super warm… I don’t think he was fake, that’s just who he is, he’s a really great person and obviously that’s why he’s an amazing champion and a legend.” Andy Roddick and many other players have echoed similar comments.
http://www.express.co.uk/sport/tennis/877424/Roger-Federer-Practice-Jared-Donaldson-Tennis-News

What’s amazing is Federer’s awards last year: he demonstrated so much sportsmanship and generated so much admiration that the majority of the tennis community – i.e., the majority of informed professional players and rational fans – chose to vote for Federer. Mathematicians understand what this means: Federer accomplished more in half a year than Wog Boy’s idol and Giles’s idol together managed to accomplish in more time. Thus Federer in a full year this year would of course attain even more sportsmanship and admiration than the haters’ idols can possibly attain (so no wonder Federer won the awards this year, duh).

By voting Federer the Comeback Player of the Year, the majority of ATP players have indicated who they believe is really the best player of the year (regardless of the ‘rigged’ ATP ranking points, lol): 36-year old Federer jumped from No. 17 at 2016 year-end to No. 2 this year while Nadal jumped only from No. 9 to No. 1. Federer has at least 7 titles (2 slams, 3 masters 1000, 2 ATP 500) and 93.1% winning percentage are higher-quality achievements compared to Nadal’s at least 6 titles (2 slams, 2 Masters 1000 – including the non-mandatory Monte Carlo masters, 2 ATP 500) and 87%. Most rational players realize that Federer would likely have won both the US Open and World No. 1 ranking if he did not have to sacrifice both trophies in order to persuade Nadal to play in and support the Laver Cup. Even after Federer conveniently tanked the US Open to his Team8 player Juan Martin del Potro, Roger still could have overtaken Nadal for Year-End No. 1 had Federer bothered to play Paris and/or Tokyo (instead of events like the Murray exhibition and Laver Cup). The majority of players realize that a rusty, underprepared Federer showed up in Montreal to create the perception that he was injured so he could eventually let Nadal win the US Open. Federer giving up the US Open and No. 1 ranking was the price Federer had to pay to get Nadal to play the Laver Cup that lacked Djokovic, Murray, Wawrinka and Del Potro. (Indeed, in an early August blog, I already anticipated that Federer might have showed up in Montreal for the Laver Cup: “I’m surprised that Roger said he will be playing Montreal… One scenario is that Federer is going to Montreal to stoke publicity for his Laver Cup… If Nadal loses early, Federer has less incentive to remain in Montreal.” ) http://www.tennis-x.com/xblog/2017-08-02/26621.php

The majority of ATP players voted Shapovalov the Most Improved Player of the Year: 18-year old Shapovalov jumped from No. 250 at 2016 year-end to No. 51 and beats Nadal (16 slams), Juan Martin del Porto (1 slam) and Tsonga (1 slam finalist). 20-year old Zverev jumped from No. 24 to No. 3.

November 11th, 2017 at 11:32 pm

ha ha ha Tony N ‘s post is not worth responding too. He has plumbed lower levels than the already abysmal depths of logic of the Cult
#Hilarious

November 11th, 2017 at 11:42 pm

t4t,
Pathetic response after you getting pwned by Tony N. Oh well, you can try to produce a fact. Oh wait….no you can’t.

November 11th, 2017 at 11:55 pm

skeezer Says: “t4t, Pathetic response after you getting OWNED by Tony N. Oh well, you can try to produce a fact. Oh wait….no you can’t.”

Pointing out t4t’s lack of facts and ability to respond…
This deserves a “ha ha ha #Hilarious”

November 12th, 2017 at 12:08 am

Hahaha.

@t4t

Logic is the last thing you should be talking about.

November 12th, 2017 at 1:07 am

If a nominated member is them

Nadal
Djoko
Murray
Delpo

maybe Delpo wins

November 12th, 2017 at 1:08 am

kjb says
..”Logic is the last thing you should be talking about”
Completely agree with you. When in Rome do as the Romans do. When conversing with cult, logic is the last thing I should be talking about.
#CultAndLogicPolesApart

November 12th, 2017 at 1:32 am

think that Nadals annoying, useless time waste, “im a fighter!!”style

November 12th, 2017 at 2:47 am

Chrisford1, It’s one thing to be subjective and irrelevant pertaining to an annual award relating to only the 2017 season. It’s another to be misinformative.

CF1: “Best on hardcourt and grass – Sampras, when the surfaces were faster.”
In the past there was greater variety of surface speeds (it wasn’t just faster). Federer’s versatility on different surface speeds and conditions is one of his great assets: for example, this year Roger won both the slowest hardcourt masters (Indian Wells) as well as the fastest hardcourt masters (Shanghai), where he beat Nadal in straight sets both times losing only 12 games over 4 sets. Federer has won the most hard court titles in all-time tennis history (65) and has the second best hard court winning percentage in the open era (83%). Sampras has only 38 hard court titles (even Connors 49 and Agassi 48 have more hc titles) and his hard court winning percentage is only seventh in the open era (80%). Have you actually watched Sampras live as a paying spectator?

One of the most ignorant myths is that Sampras is the greatest grass court player. Federer has 17 grass court titles with an 87% winning percentage compared to Sampras’s 10 titles and 83%. John Newcombe won 3 singles and 6 doubles titles at Wimbledon (of his total 7 major singles and 17 major doubles titles) so he actually understands the difference between Sampras and Federer. At 2005 Wimbledon, Newcombe observed: “(Federer is) playing a quality of tennis that is probably the best I’ve ever seen here (at Wimbledon). It’s amazing. If you line him up against Sampras, give Pete an edge on the serve. Groundstrokes, both sides, you have to give the edge to Federer. Net game and mobility are about the same. Roger may be even a little better mover than Pete. Certainly his backhand is far better than Pete’s was.” He has a creativity about him that few players have — or ever have had, I suggested. “Absolutely,” Newcombe said. “He’s just fun to watch. I haven’t heard anybody, of all the past champions that are here, who has come up with a weakness.” Furthermore, Federer’s serving stats and results improved even more after 2005 to the point where he is arguably a better server than Sampras (otherwise Sampras would have won more titles).
http://www.espn.com/sports/tennis/wimbledon05/news/story?id=2099903

CF1: “Most Beloved by the Edberg Prize Committee – Roger Federer”
No prize committee that awards the sportsmanship award. It is the ATP players who vote according to their conscience and perception of the sportsmanship of the various nominated players – and the majority of players choose to vote for Federer an astounding 13 out of the past 14 times. The only time that Federer did not win the sportsmanship award was in 2008 – when the non-English speaking players were confused (they thought that Nadal’s year-end No. 1 meant he had ‘sportsmanship’) but they could not change their vote after they realized their mistake. It’s revealing that the majority of players do not vote for Djokovic’s sportsmanship.

CF1: “Best on Clay – Rafa, ‘natch.”
This is where you should have consistently applied your double standards about hardcourt and grass surface speeds: Best on clay – Nadal, whenever the clay surfaces were at a relatively homogenous speed (that is perfect for Nadal) compared to the previous eras.
For example, Hamburg used to be the “heaviest and slowest clay” Masters championship (until Nadal lobbied for it to be demoted to an ATP 500 event and removed from the clay season): Roger Federer won four titles (2002, 2004, 2005 and 2007 against Safin, Coria, Gasquet and Nadal, even bageling Rafa 6-0; the first three finals were best of five setters). In 2008, Nadal finally won his only Hamburg title against a post mononucleosis-compromised Federer in a best of three set final – yet a desperate Nadal had to resort to an injury timeout while losing at 2-5 to get a thigh massage in order to disrupt Federer from winning the first set (Roger had been up 5-1), watch 33:40 of youtube clip. Nadal’s delaying tactic affected the post mononucleosis compromised Federer, who got bored and lost interest. At 2012 Madrid clay Masters, Nadal crumbled to his countryman Verdasco simply because the clay colour was changed to blue. Most of Nadal’s clay wins have come on courts that had been set up to the standards of the French Open’s Roland Garros centre court. The greatest claycourters of past eras have had to play on clay courts with different speeds and play best of five set finals in non-Slam events like Barcelona, MOnte Carlo and Rome throughout their entire career. Had Nadal not lobbied for homogenized clay courts and to remove best-of-five set finals, he might not have been as successful as he has been on clay.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uOt_InRRExo

CF1: “The toughest player – Rafael Nadal. It is scary to think what his Slam Count and overall trophy count would be but for injury, inability to win indoors, and his fall falling off in half the years he played but for tennis burnout.”
Federer played almost 100 matches in 2006 (winning 92 matches) without burnout – in fact Federer then visited India to bring hope to children affected by the tsunami. Federer has more ability to win on clay than Nadal has to win indoors.
It’s a nonsensical myth that Nadal’s convenient injuries have affected his ability to win titles. Nadal has played 1,057 matches – he’s No. 10 in most matches played in the open era since 1968! Nadal just needs to play another 20 more matches to be No. 6 in most matches played in the entire open era! None of his so-called injuries have been severe enough to require surgery – unlike many other players with injuries. Indeed, since 2005 Nadal has been taking convenient injury breaks from the tour whenever he is slumping or from parts of the non-clay season he does not like – which helps him to avoid more losses to his rivals. In some years he uses those breaks to practice with new racquets and/or strings before he returns to tour. When Federer was playing well in 2012 Rafa took a 7 month break from the tour claiming to have an injured knee since 2012 Australian – yet Nadal was not so injured that he had chosen to play doubles at Indian Wells, Miami and Halle. Nadal then skipped the 2012 US Open and 2013 Australian Open – yet Nadal was not so injured that he was able to play golf tournaments during both those tennis slams (he plays golf right handed, so he had to pivot on his supposedly injured knee during golf swings). In 2008, Nadal played singles and doubles at both Madrid indoors and Paris indoors, then claimed to have knee injuries to skip both the World Tour Finals in Shanghai and the Davis Cup Finals in Argentina – yet Nadal was not so injured that he was photographed water skiing and other water sports in the days between those two year-ending tennis events (search for “Rafael Nadal’s rehab in Mauritius – HCFoo’s Tennis Blog”)

CF1: “Best player ever based on the top form a player showed in a year, with level of competition factored in… Most decorated year. Laver or Djokovic… Best player ever”
Tournament conditions were tougher in 2006 than in Djokovic’s 2015 or 2011: In 2006, Federer played best-of-five set finals in 7 tournaments outside the slams (Indian Wells, Miami, Monte Carlo, Rome, Madrid Indoors, Basel, World Tour Finals/TMC) – such best of five set finals outside the slams were abolished by 2008. As well, before 2008 the top players had to play the first round as there were no first round byes in most events. Once tournament conditions became easier from 2008 onwards and Federer passed his peak, players like Nadal and later Djokovic were able to benefit. In 2006, Federer won 12 titles from 16 finals (including 3 slams from 4 slam finals as well as the World Tour Finals); played 97 matches, won 92 matches, 95% winning percentage (Roger was 95.3% in 2005).
Djokovic’s buddy Vicktor Troicki said in the Montreal Masters that Novak needed to take a mental and physical break after playing at such a high level for several years. Had Djokovic been required to play under the tougher 2006 conditions and Nadal not been in a slump that year, Djokovic might not have been able to have his 2015 year. Despite the age difference, Djokovic still lost 3 matches to the aging Federer.

November 12th, 2017 at 2:51 am

I’m not greatest player – Roger Federer

“And anyway I don’t think you can compare different eras in tennis.”

http://m.bbc.com/sport/tennis/18764325

November 12th, 2017 at 3:02 am

Nadal’s routine is frivolous.
or his runs exaggeratedly before a game

If Nadal isn’t successful. Those looked bad.

November 12th, 2017 at 3:20 am

^ Sorry, but what?
Daniel, is that your phone operating without you again…;) Naughty little trickster.

November 12th, 2017 at 3:25 am

I see the wind bag is back! 😡😡😡😡😡😡

November 12th, 2017 at 6:27 am

@t4t: I will engage someone on the same level when they are able to provide actual supporting evidence to back up their claims. Simple.

As for the election comment, there is relevance (which is the word you were looking for, not context). The relevance is that in the face of objective proof — more popular votes for Clinton than Trump — some people refuse to believe that and call it rigged. That comment has nothing to do with whether anyone thinks Trump won the electoral college. We’ve all known that for about a year now.

And please don’t demean me by suggesting I’m a Trump supporter. What a low blow!

November 12th, 2017 at 10:16 am

On that note, go Fed!

November 12th, 2017 at 10:16 am

The Surface is slow.

November 12th, 2017 at 10:23 am

All these arguments and complaints about Federer winning so many Sportsmanship award could have been resolved very quickly and effectively by Federer hinself. He had the greatest opportunity to do it and blew it. Had he declined the “Comeback Player of the Year” award and offered to give it to Nadal, he could have shown how deserving he is of the sportsmanship title this year and possibly validated all those from previous years.

November 12th, 2017 at 11:04 am

Armchair critics need to understand that the Comeback Player of the Year award was voted on by the ATP professional players. The majority of players chose to vote for Federer (not for Nadal).

Unlike armchair critics, the fact is that the ATP players actually have the wisdom and competence to understand the relative differences between the value of the comeback of Federer and the value of the comeback of Nadal. The wise ATP players chose the comeback of Federer as the greater comeback worthy of this award.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATP_World_Tour_Awards#Comeback_Player_of_the_Year

Had Federer declined the “Comeback Player of the Year” award and offered to give it to Nadal, it would have been poor sportsmanship by Federer — as this would insult the wisdom of majority of players who chose to give this award to Federer instead of Nadal.

The vast majority of the tennis community understands that it is only a tiny number of haters who keep parroting these irrational arguments and self-serving complaints about Federer legitimately winning 13 Sportsmanship awards.

What ultimately matters is that even Stefan Edberg — for whom the Sportsmanship award is named after — agrees that Federer is deserving of all those sportsmanship awards. The misguided opinions of the tiny number of haters do not matter.

November 12th, 2017 at 1:01 pm

After reading some of the posts here, I see there are some very irrational people even here.

November 12th, 2017 at 1:23 pm

https://twitter.com/genny_ss/status/929741103712026624
No swindle here. Hard earned Year End #1 Trophy.
Well done Champ!
Vamos!

November 12th, 2017 at 1:41 pm

Lol. The man skips a whole season and wins Comeback Player of the Year???
Something drastically wrong here.
# swindle

November 12th, 2017 at 2:51 pm

Giles,
You should talk. You said its all rigged. Too bad Fed got swindled out of #1, eh?

November 12th, 2017 at 3:34 pm

Sweezer. How many times. Rafa earned the most ranking points in the year. your man was second.
This one can’t be rigged unfortunately for your man Do you understand the ranking system or not?

November 12th, 2017 at 3:55 pm

skeezer doesn’t know the difference between opinion and facts. Forgive him, dear Giles. He is part of the Cult, you see.

November 12th, 2017 at 3:57 pm

Poor skeezer, only knows how to count to 19.

November 12th, 2017 at 4:54 pm

^Apparently you don’t. You can’t count 36 either. It seems you can only count to 10, La Decima.

“Giles Says:
All rigged!”

November 10th, 2017 at 12:34 pm”

November 12th, 2017 at 5:10 pm

I understand the ranking system. I understand the ATP awards also and the tennis professionals who vote, including rafa, who “votes”.
But you say its a swindle, ALL rigged. I say its a great voting system that the players do the voting, not cult fans like you.

November 12th, 2017 at 5:12 pm

Tony N, who vote for Comeback Player of the Year?

November 12th, 2017 at 5:51 pm

Oops! Sorry Tony N, I just read that Comeback Player is voted by the ATP players. It is a bogus award because it does not really have a set of criteria other than popularity. Being bogus, thus, a meaningless award, you are correct, Federer does not have to decline it.

November 12th, 2017 at 6:09 pm

After reading who votes for these ATP awards, except for Player of the year, it’s like Peoples’Choice Awards in the US where it’s based more on popularity than merits. Again, except for Player of the year based on ranking points, these are meaningless awards. There’s no reason for us to argue.

November 12th, 2017 at 6:15 pm

Skeezer. Read Markus’ post.

November 12th, 2017 at 6:24 pm

Giles, Read Toni N’s post.

November 12th, 2017 at 7:15 pm

Giles, no point wasting your time reading Tony N’s post.
It is more of the Cult logic! Ha ha hs!
#Hilarious!

November 12th, 2017 at 7:38 pm

Giles @4:54 pm
ROFL!

November 12th, 2017 at 7:43 pm

Giles/t4t BFF.
No logic pair.

November 12th, 2017 at 8:13 pm

Any sane person that cares about his/her mental wellbeing doesn’t read Tony N / dave’s posts, but then again, we know there is no too many sane fans of 36 years old, so it does make sense for them to read dave’s post.

#stayawayfromthecult

November 12th, 2017 at 9:00 pm

^LOL that means you must have read them! Hahahaha

#stayawayfromtheChurch

November 12th, 2017 at 9:10 pm

Yes, I use to read few of the when he was dave, before he abandoned the cult in 2012 when 36 year old ended up shit creek without a paddle (after Wimbledon).
Of course, he had to return under diferent moniker, otherwise he had to explain to his cult friends why he disappeared when the things went downhill for the cult leader.
#truefannot

November 12th, 2017 at 9:36 pm

Being member of the church is for sane people, being member of the cult is for insane people.

#stayawayfromthecult

November 12th, 2017 at 9:38 pm

Well said, Wog Boy @ 9:38 pm
Wog Boy @ 9:36 pm, ooh, I did not know that Tony N is a bandwagon guy. Tut Tut! Doesn’t reflect well on him!

November 12th, 2017 at 9:54 pm

Toni N is not a bandwagon guy,
He just post facts. A skill you don’t have.
@WB
I don’t belong to any Cult, those are your worda not mine. Am glad
You admit you belong to the Church of Novak, your God. Some would call that a Cult though…

November 12th, 2017 at 10:11 pm

I don’t think Wog Boy or any Djokovic fan french kisses Djokovic’s posters ( eewwwww!!!).
#OnlyFedCult

November 12th, 2017 at 11:34 pm

^you would know. Ewwwww.

November 13th, 2017 at 12:17 am

skeezer, So you agree it is disgusting? The question then is why do the Cult indulge in such a cringeworthy act and even take pictures of the horrible ritual to worship at the shrine? Why?
I am curious. Maybe it is an irresistible compulsion even against your better judgment?
#SorryForYou

November 13th, 2017 at 1:01 am

Yes, I am the member of the church, proper church, SPC, not The Cult, I don’t worship humans nor I ever had idols, it is against my beliefs, but you wouldn’t understand that, cult members don’t understand that.

November 13th, 2017 at 1:39 am

t4t,

That person that Slimy adores is typical Wikipedia warrior, poor bugger, spends hours and days on Wikipedia, You Tube, googling things in order to impress with his “knowledge” and put together some coherent post, but fails to do so, though not in the eyes of the Cult members, but then again, cult members are here for the purpose of worshiping, nothing else.

November 13th, 2017 at 1:59 am

Giles Says: “Lol. The man skips a whole season and wins Comeback Player of the Year??? Something drastically wrong here. # swindle”

Why are you whining about Nadal being awarded Comeback Player of the Year for 2013 (as voted by the players — which Markus claims is a bogus measure based on popularity) after skipping the entire hard court seasons between July 2012 and February 2013?
Are you whining because in 2012 Nadal took 7 months to heal a knee overuse injury using 2012 medical technology… while in 1989 Thomas Muster took only 6 months to heal severed knee ligaments (caused by a car hitting him) using 1989 medical technology?
Or are you whining because Nadal did not need surgery for his supposed knee injury. Instead Nadal’s knee was fit enough for him to play a golf tournament DURING the 2012 US Open and then played and won another golf tournament DURING the 2013 Australian Open? Since Nadal plays golf right-handed, he had to pivot on his supposedly injured knee whenever he swings the golf club (knee injuries are a common amongst golf pros).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATP_World_Tour_Awards#Comeback_Player_of_the_Year

Giles Says: “No swindle here. Hard earned Year End #1 Trophy.
Well done Champ! Vamos!”
The system was rigged. Rigged. Rigged. Rigged. Swindle. Swindle. Swindle.
In keeping with the irrational comments of Giles and Wog Boy, there is no need for me to provide a rational argument to substantiate my irrational opinion.

November 13th, 2017 at 10:44 am

^^^^^ Shhhhhhhhh

November 13th, 2017 at 10:54 am

the_mind_reels @10:16 am.
The word is context, not relevance.But a Fed fan is unlikely to understand…
A pity that despite being not a Trump fan, you thought Trump had won the popular vote! And using your word, you think somehow that it is “relevant”. Lol!
#Facts are not important to the Cult.

November 13th, 2017 at 11:02 am

Wog Boy Says: “t4t, That person that Slimy adores…”
Please stop abusing Skeezer by disparaging him as ‘Slimy’. This is a violation of this site’s commenting policies against “personally attack other posters” as well as “write pure nonsense”.
Learn to play nice.
http://www.tennis-x.com/pages/commenting.php

November 13th, 2017 at 11:03 am

Wog Boy @1:59 am, I completely agree.

November 13th, 2017 at 11:07 am

Are these 10,000 word posts admissible by Tennis X? Takes up too much space and surely is a waste of time as only the fedfans read them

November 13th, 2017 at 11:24 am

GIles,
we all know your’re reading them! LOL. Quit retorting arguments by say “shhhh”. Those kind of remarks mean you just give up and admit you’re wrong.

November 13th, 2017 at 11:31 am

Giles Says: “Are these 10,000 word posts admissible by Tennis X?”

We know two things:

– One, you read every word that I post. Then you realize that you have no facts or arguments to rebut my posts so you resort to cheap shots to attack the message and/or messenger.

– Two, you are unable to count. Here’s proof: On this blog here, if you can even find a post exceeding 1,500 words here, show it to us. If you fail to do so, then (a) you are unable to count and (b) you write pure nonsense and are violating the rules.

Giles, you repeatedly violate the rules when you “Write pure nonsense” or “Make repeated non-tennis related posts” or “Post spam” or “Use deceptive proxys” or “Annoy us”

I, Skeezer and many others comply with the rule “stay on topic”. You don’t.

November 13th, 2017 at 11:59 am

I have been posting as “ Giles” for many many years. Have never ever changed my moniker unlike some. Once he was Dave. Now he’s Tony N. Lol.

November 13th, 2017 at 12:50 pm

Skeezer no, you are mistaken. Have absolutely no spare time to read a load of repetitive drivel. I just scroll down as I am sure many here do the same.

November 13th, 2017 at 12:53 pm

^right. Uh uh…..

November 13th, 2017 at 1:11 pm

Giles, so you have failed to find any “10,000 word posts”. Thus you are admitting that your claims are “pure nonsense”.

November 13th, 2017 at 1:20 pm

In all fairness, how can anyone comment appropriately about something he has not read? If it’s too long for you, skip it but you cannot comment on it because you will not have a basis for your comment. If you still comment without reading, your response would be biased for or against the writer depending how you take him as a person not as per his post.

November 13th, 2017 at 1:33 pm

Giles Says:

Lol. The man skips a whole season and wins Comeback Player of the Year???
Something drastically wrong here.
# swindle
—————————-

The guy injures his knee and is out for the year. After not having won a major in almost 5 years, he wins two slams and turns the table on a rival that had dominated him for most of his career. I don’t see how missing a year due to injury has any negative bearing on Comeback Player of the Year. If anything, it improves Federer’s case. When Federer was healthy, he was the best player of 2017.

This is one of those moments when you have to look past raw numbers. A huge part of what makes people believe that Nadal is the GOAT is his record against the Big 4 (and Federer in particular). This year, Federer won the same number of majors as Nadal and played better against the top 10 than Nadal did. To cap it all off, he owned Nadal in 2017.

I’ve always been more of a Nadal fan than a Fed fan but Federer deserves his props. The guy’s played (and is playing) mind blowing tennis regardless of his age. If hardcore Nadal fans can’t see the obvious then that’s just too bad for them.

November 13th, 2017 at 1:45 pm

Giles @ 11.24am. I was always told that words were cheap – hence I’m wondering if a 10,000 word post must be considered as dirt cheap????
However, it is explained: “…..there is no need for me to provide a rational argument to substantiate my irrational opinion.”

Fair enuf eh?

November 13th, 2017 at 2:12 pm

Apparently Fed has said he’ll play more tournaments next year, this is 2nd hand from the commies BTW.

November 13th, 2017 at 2:46 pm

I think from here on in we will see much shorter posts from the accused. 🙏🏼🙏🏼

November 13th, 2017 at 3:21 pm

^Hope not. LOL no comment on SG1 post?

November 13th, 2017 at 3:35 pm

Tony N aka dave aka Wikipedia warrior says:

“.. This is a violation of this site’s commenting policies…”

Your 100 mile posts are violation of TX hospitality.

November 13th, 2017 at 3:41 pm

@Tony N
Name calling is just another way to say “I lost the argument or they can’t win it” . So they try to deflect and either go the name calling routine or try to change the subject.

November 13th, 2017 at 4:18 pm

Nice one, SG1, but I’m afraid that will be lost on some people who would rather bicker than use reason in their posts. Worse, some resort to name calling which in my opinion is a losers go-to argument when they don’t have any valid arguments to say.

November 13th, 2017 at 10:27 pm

I avoid arguing with people who resort to name calling. They are a waste of time and space.

November 13th, 2017 at 10:32 pm