Federer Down But Not Out at Wimbedon
by Sean Randall | June 22nd, 2008, 6:47 pm
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There’s an old saying that a cornered animal is a dangerous animal. And right now I get the feeling that Roger Federer is that cornered animal, but is he really still dangerous? With each passing week and with each passing event, Federer has seemingly been losing tennis real estate to Rafael Nadal and Novak Djokovic, who may both be still behind the Swiss in the rear view mirror but let’s face it, the distance is closing rapidly.

Federer use to absolutely own the tour. That changed a few years ago with the advance of Nadal and more recently the success of Djokovic. Federer use to own the U.S. season, starting with Indian Well and Miami, but Guillermo Canas single handedly put an end to that back in 2007 [edited:corrected]. Federer once reigned in Australia. That ended this year. And while Federer never attained glory at Roland Garros, he at least had Hamburg. That is until this year.

Despite the tournament lost real estate, Federer can, for the moment, confidently still put his name down for Tennis Masters Cup, the US Open and the grass season, which includes Wimbledon. But how much longer will it be until he loses those properties as well? I am going to say a little longer, at least at Wimbledon.

Of the “Big Three”, Federer has toughest draw at 2008 Wimbledon. And I think that’s the way he would want it. Champions tend to rise up and the way the draws unfolded it’s offers a perfect challenge and a perfect way to remind everyone from fans to critics to players that he’s still the guy to beat. That he’s still No. 1. That he’s still won 59 straight grass matches. That among those in the draw only Nicolas Kiefer and Mario Ancic can say they’ve beaten the guy on turf.

But the Tennis Gods did him no favors with the draw. At least on paper they didn’t. Federer opens with Dominik Hrbaty, who is one of three active players (Murray, Nadal the others) to hold a winning edge of Roger but realistically he’s a shell of his former self. He then will likely face tough-out Swede Robin Soderling who has a big serve, big forehand and who nearly ushered out Nadal last year. In the third round I hope it will be my man Gael Monfils, and I’ll pick him out that far, but with the Frenchman you really don’t know yet. Physically he’s there, but mentally no way. Fed gets through regardless if it is Monfils or someone else, and I think sets up a meeting with Fernando Gonzalez who overpowers Lleyton Hewitt for that spot. Gonzalez on a fast court, or any court really, is dangerous but just not as much at Wimbledon. Same goes for Tomas Berdych in the quarterfinals. The Czech, who I give the edge over Mario Ancic, has a huge power game but I think you need more to beat Fed at his house. I like Fed getting through to the semifinals with a couple of lost sets.

In the second quarter, Djokovic couldn’t have asked for an easier path. Sure, Marat Safin may wait in the second, but Marat’s days of greatness have long passed – he is what he is, the 77th ranked player people, get over it! Novak could get a sterner test from Stan Wawrinka or Sam Q in the fourth round – I think Sam gets there – and then Feliciano Lopez in the quarterfinals. I like Lopez over David Nalbandian, who’s about as predictable as the English weather, and then I think he beats Marcos Baghdatis, who hasn’t played much tennis lately but will have played enough to end Ivo Karlovic’s hope.

The third quarter is simply the toughest to call. I want to pick Roddick but something tells me not to. But who else is there? Dmitry Tursunov? James Blake? Ivan Ljubicic? Paul-Henri Mathieu? Nikolay Davydenko? I’m going to say Tursunov somehow gets Roddick in round three. It’s shaky, I know, especially given that Tursunov just got defaulted out of Nottingham and he plays Nicolas Mahut to open the event, but I’m going to go out on a limb and ride him to Wimbledon semifinal glory. Plus if Russia keeps winning in the Euro Cup…

The final quarter I give to Nadal who really has a tricky draw. A second round with Ernests Gulbis figures to be tight with the big-hitting teen. But experience wins out in what could be his toughest test. Nicolas Kiefer is about as tricky as they come on the Tour, the German is capable of beating anyone. But I’m not convinced of his form. In the fourth round I think Radek Stapanek succumbs to Nadal, but again I don’t think it will be easy. Awaiting Rafa in the quarters is a real toss up. Richard Gasquet warrants consideration but he’s been absent for much of 2008. Andy Murray has a lot of promise but he’s Andy Murray. I might even lean to Guillermo Canas. That said, I think I’ll go Murray to somehow do it and beat Gasquet. But it won’t matter, Rafa gets through after pounding Murray.

So for the semifinals, I have Federer v. Djokovic and Tursunov v. Nadal. Again, I like Federer to beat Novak. Yes, Novak’s been playing well and he’s been close to crashing the Fed-Rafa party but honestly, outside of a win over an allegedly “Mono” Federer in Australia, what’s been his big Grand Slam result? Beating JW Tsonga? Beating David Ferrer? I need to see more from him in best of five.

Meanwhile, Nadal should steamroll, however Tursunov has the firepower to do damage. The same is goes for Roddick if he gets there.

As for the final, just like Nadal protects his turf I think Federer protects his grass. It’s his home. For Federer, this really is his last piece of real estate and I think he hangs on to it just a little longer.

As for the women, Venus, Serena and Maria are the girls to beat. Jelena’s in the hunt while I give Ana an outside shot. That said, I think Venus takes it again here. Too much grass experience, too much Williams sisters revenge for the French Open.

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131 Comments for Federer Down But Not Out at Wimbedon

zero Says:

If there will be an another Fed-Nadal final, the winner will be no.1 in the year-end. A very tough match for both


Dave B Says:

Good article. But get ready for suprises. After all it’s Wimbledon.


NachoF Says:

Federer could win Wimbledon and his spot still be under threat…. if Djokovic or Nadal take the Masters and the US open and Roger does poorly on those (a crazy upset against Fish or the other Serb guy?)


Ryan Says:

“Guillermo Canas single handedly put an end to that back in 2006″

Sean Randall come on man……….how can you be so ignorant.It was in 2007.As for Fed……..he has to prove something in wimbledon this year.Its good that he is getting a tough test.Its much better than getting a pussy draw and getting to the finals like he did in the french open.


Jack Says:

“Federer use to absolutely own the tour. That changed a few years ago with the advance of Nadal and more recently the success of Djokovic.”

I dont think that is true Sean. Outside of clay Nadal did nothing to hurt Federer. 2004 was when Fed started unleashing the terror and since then what Nadal has deprived Fed outside clay is 1 Miami title and a dubai title.

Infact Fed had a better 05 and 06 (post nadal) than 04 (pre-nadal). 2005 was better than 2004 for Federer even though he won only 2 slams because that was the year when fed refused to lose to “non-special” players like hrbaty, henman and alberto costa (relatively speaking that is). In 2005 federer lost to safin 8-6 in the 5th, nadal on clay, 3rd set tie-break on clay to Gasquet and 5th set tie break to nalbandian at masters. The only year he did better was 06 where he reached finals of all but cincinnati and lost to only 2 players – murray and nadal.

So far, nadal has not hurt federer outside clay. It is not like fed was ruling clay before nadal came! So I donot see how nadal gets credit for things changing and they definitely did not change a few years ago in terms of Federer dominating the tour. That started changing only last year and nadal has contributed nothing to it. Djokovic has been leading that battle both with the mouth and on court with the actions. Having deprived fed of a not-clay slam already – something only safin and djokovic have done in 4 and a half years!


TD (Tam) Says:

Sean- “I want to pick Roddick but something tells me not to.”

Good. Please continue to ignore him and do not pick him to win anything. :p

Sean- “I like Federer to beat Novak. Yes, Novak’s been playing well and he’s been close to crashing the Fed-Rafa party but honestly, outside of a win over an allegedly “Mono” Federer in Australia”

I’m sorry but I am tired of this mono excuse. This is why I did not approve of Roger deliberately leaking to the press that he was sick. It gave him and his fans an excuse to use and also to diminish Djokovic’s win because as we all know he does not like the young Serb that is for sure!

I can’t believe Wimbledon starts to morrow. Everybody enjoy watching the matches!


Jack Says:

Another point:

2007, pre- Wimbledon Race points
Nadal -746 points
Federer 601 points

2008, pre-Wimbledon Race points
Nadal – 755 points
Federer 545 points

It is just 50 point difference people, which will not matter if nadal does not play stuttgart. The wildcard here is the Djoker! Can he do what nadal has been unable to do the last 3 seasons? Federer being the cool cucumber he has been the last 3years, is going to be there for the long haul. The question is will Djokovic and nadal be there?

There is still a lot of tennis left in the year, people. This is just the beginning of the 3rd quarter. I will hold on to the Federer stock till, at the least the USopen. Unless hrbaty beats him tomorrow. If Fed wins wimbledon, I will lock my fed stock till the end of the year!


Jack Says:

TD-

Everybody was aware Fed was not a 100% fit going into the aus open. He had pulled out of Kooyong at the last minute. If I remember correctly Fed pulled out of the tournament the day before the tournament started.

So mono or not, anyone beating Federer at the aus open would have got the asterisk.


Shital Green Says:

On the 1st day, I disagree with Sean about a couple. I am competing with him for greatest number of wrong picks. One day at a time.

Monday, June 23

Fed def. Hrbaty
Serbinator def. Berrer (Jane, how do you like this name?)
Hewitt def. Haase
Nalby def. Dancevic (expect upset? Not really.)
Baghdatis def. Darcis
Stakhovsky vs Ferrer (upset somewhat likely)
Gonzalez def. Ginepri
Ancic def. Llodra
Bellucci def. Kunitsyn
Andreev def. Vanek
Sela vs. Rochus (not sure)
Johansson def. Spadea
Nishikori def. Gicquel
Lopez def. Dabul (Brian came to my university last year)
Serra def. Lu
Montanes def. Berlocq
Falla def. Hanescu
Karanusic def. Horna
Petzschner vs. Lee (not sure)
Monfils def. Guccione (expect a tight match)
Bolelli def. Bogdanovic
Safin def. Fognini (?)
Berdych def. Korolev (expect upset?)
Wawrinka def. Daniel
Volandri def. Reynolds (I have met Bobby a couple of times)
Seppi def. Kamke
Del Potro the Hottie def. Snobel
Soderling def. Kim
Kohlschreiber def. Verdasco (?)
Ferrero def. Querrey (Sam came to my University in 2006)
Peya def. Zverev
Karlovic def. Stadler


Ra Says:

Shital, I hope you got my replies over on the other thread and that we can be friends now.

Aside from a few players I’m not at all familiar with, I think I’m gonna go with your picks with one exception that I feel vaguely about. I’ll take Rochus over Sela.


Samprazzz Says:

The mono is still affecting Federer. If it weren’t for that, I’d agree with this article. But Federer won’t beat Djokovic in the physical state that he’s in.
Djokovic-Nadal in the final. Nadal wins it in 5.
I’ll take Gasquet as the other semifinalist.


Ra Says:

Oh, and I’ll go with Ferrer, too.


Dan Martin Says:

You know Steffi looked down and out in 1991 and suddenly wins Wimbledon. I am not sure we will ever see Roger or anyone else do what he did 2004-2007, but he certainly is a talent and a champion so he is going to win his share of matches between now and the end of his career. What Roger did was an exception for #1′s not a rule. So if he has to settle for what Lendl had when he shared power with Edberg and Becker, I am sure he can live.


Dan Martin Says:

Canas took Fed down twice in 2007 not 2006 …


andrea Says:

there are a lot of rumblings about how roger’s stock will be listed as ‘buy’ or ‘sell’ after results at wimbledon. his draw looks formidable but not overwhelming. i believe two years ago he met gasquet in the first round, a draw that even he noted was ‘from hell’, so this draw doesn’t look any worse.

of all possible people to meet, soderling is the one that i feel may give him trouble . when i watched them play in hamburg i noticed that he got in a lot of serves against fed and that was on clay. hewtitt is no longer a challenge, which is a shame. one of the top grinders of his day. he’ll put up a fight but i don’t see the same edge in his game. gonzalez could be fun but again, in five sets, i don’t see it.

the way berdych handed roger the straight sets win in AO this year confirms that his mental game isn’t on par with his playing game.

roddick seems to be less than par but on his serve alone may get him close. nadal is on fire. i like the match up with him and murray. they played a close 5 setter at the AO 2 years ago which was pretty exhilarating. too bad tsonga wasn’t in nadal’s draw. i’d love to see them play each other on grass.

novak will plug away; his draw seems to be filled with players who can have incredible on days but incredible off days as well.

unless aliens descend on us, it seems like the top 3 should make it to the semis….?


Shital Green Says:

Dan,
I also caught that. I was like, “Did I lose my sense of time or is it Sean?”


Shital Green Says:

Andrea,
Unless I am crazy, you must be on shroom. Tsonga is not even playing.
You have been here as long as I have been. Yet, no hi, nothing. Just because you are a Fed fan does not mean you can be friend with others. “Say hello to my little friend.”


Shital Green Says:

Correction: “not friend”


Shital Green Says:

Ra,
Habitually I like to walk slow and not jump to conclusion, unless provoked. That is one of the reasons I only have my 1st day prediction. I don’t know how long you have been here, but most of us are pretty descent people, value civility, and respect each other. You will figure out as you stay here longer. We all have our favorites, and don’t want to undermine others’. Welcome to the club and make more friends, particularly by being nice to the regulars, the permanent residents.


JCF Says:

Sean, you might want to put some proof readers onto your article before releasing it. Just a tip.


JCF Says:

“I dont think that is true Sean. Outside of clay Nadal did nothing to hurt Federer. 2004 was when Fed started unleashing the terror and since then what Nadal has deprived Fed outside clay is 1 Miami title and a dubai title.”

When he said own the tour, he meant not in H2H but in rankings points. When Roddick was #2, Fed was far in front of the #2, but the gap shrunk after Nadal and Djokovic. He used to be up by 4000 points, now only 1000.

If Nadal and Djoko never burst onto the scene, he’d still be head and shoulders in front of the #2, thus owning the tour. Their success (not necessarily against him, but in winning titles) means they get their rankings up to comparable levels. They both won 11 titles in 2005 with 4 masters series each iirc. Even though Nadal didn’t deprive Fed of anything, you can’t say he owned the tour.


JCF Says:

“It is just 50 point difference people, which will not matter if nadal does not play stuttgart. The wildcard here is the Djoker! Can he do what nadal has been unable to do the last 3 seasons? Federer being the cool cucumber he has been the last 3years, is going to be there for the long haul. The question is will Djokovic and nadal be there?”

It is.. but he’s been losing the big matches. Zero slams this year, zero masters series. He’s still winning almost as many matches, but losing in the finals.


Giner Says:

“It is just 50 point difference people, which will not matter if nadal does not play stuttgart. The wildcard here is the Djoker! Can he do what nadal has been unable to do the last 3 seasons? Federer being the cool cucumber he has been the last 3years, is going to be there for the long haul. The question is will Djokovic and nadal be there?

There is still a lot of tennis left in the year, people. This is just the beginning of the 3rd quarter. I will hold on to the Federer stock till, at the least the USopen. Unless hrbaty beats him tomorrow. If Fed wins wimbledon, I will lock my fed stock till the end of the year!”

He is close to last year in race points, however, points don’t tell the story. There are key differences in titles won, as well as opponents he has lost to. Fish? Roddick? Stepanek? Unthinkable.


NachoF Says:

When exactly did Federer own the tour then?… if its right up until Nadal came to the scene then its until 2005.. so Im guessing Federer only owned the tour in 2004…. this is just crazy… the truth is that Federer has owned (by me definition at least) the tour every year from 2004 to 2007, 2008 being the first year where he is finally losing important matches… and it could very well be because of mono…. whos to say he wont return to his old ways and start owning again in 2009 though?? I dont understand how people are so quick to assume that he will never ever be as dominant again when he has done it for almost 4 years now


Ra Says:

Shital,

Point taken (but please know that I was by no means referring to “most people” on this board). It’s nice to be here. I don’t know when I first got here, but I think I first read these threads maybe a year ago. I only started posting maybe the beginning of this clay season, though.


Dan Martin Says:

I am looking at Gulbis, Tipsy, Soderling, Safin etc. and seeing a lot of great round of 64 matches. Even Isner (less accomplished at net than Karlovic, but a bigger forehand) could challenge Nadal a bit if he beats Gulbis (improbable in my eyes). Should be interesting in the first and second week.


anel Says:

When I start reading Sean Randalls comments it was obvious that he hates Novak and he loves Nadal and he still does,which would be OK with me if his comments are balanced and he uses the same measurement for both players,but he is not.He is underestimating Novak in every possible way,not only him but other players too in order to undermine Novak.The same players in Novaks draw are ease path, but when they are in Nadals they became at least tricky.
Sean said:”Outside of win over an allegedly “MONO”Federer whats been his[Novaks] big grand slam results?Beating SW Tsonga?”
Sean Rendall could You please put it between your ears[your words]that JW Tsonga beat Nadal in AO as well as Nadal beat Federer in Paris,and after that Novak won over Tsonga.Do not underestimate Tsonga because you are underestimating Nadal much more or you do not see that.
One could say that Federer is still “MONO” and that is way he lost in Paris so please leave that to.
Anyway I did not say this because I believe that Novak is going to be winner,there are many good players and I do not want to undermine them,I just do not like unjust people.Yes I like Novak and I would like if he wins but I do not hate others.


jane Says:

Shital,
I like it – the name for huckleberry.


andrea Says:

shital green,

i’m not one to go back and forth with the bloggers much – i love reading what you all have to say but it’s not my style to get all worked up over people’s opinions. i had my time when i was debating back in college days. now, i figure everyone has the chance to rant here and sometimes it gets a little out of hand since everyone has their faves, but that’s ok.

i prefer to be a stealth blogger – say my two bits and move on.

that being said, i do realize that tsonga is not in wimbledon this year. when i said ‘too bad tsonga isn’t in nadal’s draw’ i should have clarified…he’s not in anyone’s draw.

the look on nadal’s face after that tight win against him in Indian Wells was very wary. after being straight setted at the AO this year by him and then that match, Tsonga’s one of the guys that can take it to Nadal (pending good health). and he has a very friendly vibe about him which i like.

but i’m predictable – i’d still like to see another roger/rafa final here. i just love watching those two play. can’t get enough. well, the french open was disappointing. my expectations sure were higher for ole roger. moving on….


SG Says:

Wimbledon is Fed’s house. I believe that this tournament will be the last refuge for his dominance as it was for Sampras. I do question Sean’s comments about Djokovic. I really don’t think Federer won last year’s USO so much as Novak lost it. And I do believe that the mental strains of maintaining the dominance that Fed has enjoyed, are beginning to catch up to him. Even Borg, the man with ice water in his veins, wore down mentally. And his dominance was similar to Fed’s. The USO was to Borg what RG is to Fed. I think that the disappointment of losing the last RG for Fed is similar to how Borg felt when he lost his 4th USO final.

All that being said, Fed will hold onto his grass dominance for this year and perhaps next year as well. After that, he’s on borrowed time. And I suspect that in light of how slow the courts are playing at SW19 this year, the AELTC will speed them up a little next year which will help Federer maintain his stranglehold for a while longer.


jane Says:

well roger looked good today.

more than we can say for our huckleberry, eh shital? well, he struggled at first. but i do think he’s experimenting with different shots and whatnot, and i agree with pmac, who said that novak is a “work in progress” on the grass. i don’t expect him to win this year. i suspect it’ll be between rafa & fed – or possibly roddick. Berrer has excellent stats in this match and was really serving his way out of some tense moments; novak hasn’t been able to convert on many of his chances. but he’s doing better in this 4th. let’s hope he finishes on a strong note.


Shital Green Says:

Berdych almost lost to Korolev: I knew it would be a tight match (see the list above). Hewitt survived a grueling 5 setter.

It took Serbinator 2 sets to figure out Berrer’s lefty serve. By the beginning of 3rd set, he was playing his game. In his interview, he said he had asked Federer, who was on his way out, about the court. Djoko was happy to know the grass felt good. That the grass is better than last year should favor both Fed and Djoko. Fed was moving pretty smoothly in the entire match today. He played his 1st match like a champion.

I had one error in the list above.
Correction: Bozoljac def. Guccione.

Four wrong picks so far:
Reynolds def. Volandri (retired)
Stadler def. Karlovic (1st upset)
Rochus def. Sella (Ra, you got this one right)
Verdasco def. Kholschreiber
Not bad.


jane Says:

Verdasco is in a groove, getting to the final and almost ousting Karlovic last weekend, so am not surprised to see he’s through.

Safin vs. Djoko is a tough 2nd round match for Novak. I can’t see Roger being beat by Soderling; he always seems to fade against Roger after one tight set.He’s pushed him on grass before, but Roger will get through in best of 5.


Shital Green Says:

Jane,
Our Serbinator “finishes with a strong note,” bagels Berrer in the 4th. Yes, in the 1st 2 sets, he was practicing serve & volley, which prolonged the match by a set. That is ok as long as he does not lose while working on something.


jane Says:

Exactly: I suspect he won’t be able to “practice” against Safin!

Did you hear that Monfils withdrew with a shoulder injury, so Roger won’t have to face him.


jane Says:

Del Potro – I wonder if he is a dark horse this year? Problem is, I am not sure how he’d do in best of 5 situations?


I like tennis bullies not tennis sissies Says:

safin is no good on grass so djoko should win that one


fed is afraid Says:

what happened to zola? i know she doesn’t like me which is ok, i understand, but she hasn’t posted in a long time, i hope she is all right.


Dan Martin Says:

Kolschriber gets to the finals at Halle and then bombs out to Verdasco? F. Verdasco is really talented but wow.


Shital Green Says:

I did not know Monfils had withdrawn. I was confused with my list. Until yesterday, I saw him scheduled to play Guccione, and this morning in the score board, I saw Guccione playing Bozoljac. I was like, “How did I get this wrong? Maybe, I erred.” I made a correction above without finding out what happened. Thanks for the info.

Not just Del Potro, I think all clay courters can play 5 sets on grass.

One thing I never said before. I am gonna say it now: I find the level of women and men’s tennis NOT THAT far apart on slow surfaces like clay and grass, except maybe serve. But on hard and carpet, there is a big gap in quality. What do you think?


sardino Says:

whats been his[Novaks] big grand slam results?Beating SW Tsonga?”

So? Tsonga beat Nadal. If you are going to look at it that way, who did the the Liberace of tennis beat at Halle? Kohlschreiber.


jane Says:

fed is afraid,

I know – I’ve been wondering about zola too. She wasn’t even around to cheer for Rafa’s RG & Queens victories, and she’s his no.# 1 fan. I hope she’s okay too.

And also Dr. Death, who always had funny things to say; where’d he go?


jane Says:

Sean,

So far anel, SG, and sardino are all asking you to clarify why you continue to devalue Novak’s Grand Slam run. I still don’t get it either. Maybe you should go back and have a look at how hot Tsonga was in that slam; everyone was talking about it. I’m not saying Novak will win here, but you could give him more credit!


Shital Green Says:

How many players retired on the 1st day?
Volandri, Nishikori, Lee, and Stakhovsky. And the day is yet to be over.


Sean Randall Says:

Sorry, the late replies – been offline.

Cripes, sorry for my Canas error.

As for Novak, it’s just hard for me give Novak a clean win over Roger in Australia. And I would say that about anyone who would have beaten Roger, not just Novak. So I’m hopeful we finally get the rematch.

All the retirements are disappointing to see. I’m especially upset that Monfils pulled the plug.


Sean Randall Says:

And I should add what a horrible day for the American men. Sam Querrey shouldn’t be losing like that to Ferrero!


Von Says:

Sean Randall:

“Sam Querrey shouldn’t be losing like that to Ferrero!”

I can’t believe the manner in which Sam destructed after losing his serve in the 2nd set. After that it was lights out. Ferrero played with a groin injury; his leg was heavily bandaged and yet he beat Sam? WOW, what a disappointment. I thought for one crazy moment that Kim would have pulled out a win against Soderling, but those hopes were soon dashed. I’m heartbroken for American tennis.


Naydal Says:

I wouldn’t be so quick to dismiss Safin. He’s 77th in the world, but he has huge game. It’s all between the ears for him and I definitely expect him to put it all together for at least one more run at a slam before he retires.


Von Says:

Safin looked very composed today. I hope he can win some more matches. He has been working a lot in practice and I believe it’s paying dividends. I’m hoping for the best for him.


Von Says:

fed is afraid:

I miss Zola too. I was thinking of her today and i hope she’s alright. Zola, we miss you! :)


Shital Green Says:

Biggest upset of the day: Canadian flag bearer Dancevic stuns Nalbandian in straight sets. I was only joking in my list above, and it happened.


Von Says:

jane:

Your guy, Dancevic, is a very good player. I can’t believe that nalby went out in the first round, but why am I not so surprised — his ‘potted plant’ form at Queens spoke volumes about his present fitness level. Too bad for nalby, but very good for Dancevic. He’ll keep the maple leaf flying. :)


Naydal Says:

I like the way Dancevic plays. I just can’t figure out why he can’t get more pop on his shots. He’s not a small guy…….maybe it’s just a matter of racquet acceleration or something. Anyway, it’s definitely nice to see a an all-court style player do well.


Sean Randall Says:

Ferrero beating Querrey is not that great a stunner, but just the fact Sam won the first then was never close surprises me.

Like Querrey, Karlovic also shouldn’t lose like he did. But to win on grass these days foot speed comes into play, and these guys don’t have it among other things.


Sean Randall Says:

Nalbandian is a disaster. Guess this is setting up well for a deep US Open run by Dave.


Von Says:

sean Randall:

“Like Querrey, Karlovic also shouldn’t lose like he did. But to win on grass these days foot speed comes into play, and these guys don’t have it among other things.”

Karlovic won at nottingham just a few days ago. He played very well at Queens also. Hence, Wimby grass should not have been a problem for him.


I like tennis bullies not tennis sissies Says:

So? Tsonga beat Nadal. If you are going to look at it that way, who did the the Liberace of tennis beat at Halle? Kohlschreiber.
——-

rotfl. the liberace of tennis…


Sean Randall Says:

I’d gather that Nottingham/Queen’s grass is faster than Wimbledon. Seems like that’s the case.


Shital Green Says:

Sean,
“As for Novak, it’s just hard for me give Novak a clean win over Roger in Australia. And I would say that about anyone who would have beaten Roger, not just Novak.”
Anyone? How did Fed get to Semi? Why couldn’t Hartfield, Santoro, Tipsy, Birdych, and Blake beat him before the semi? What kind of logic is that?
Following your illogic, one could say, “It’s hard for me to give Fed a clean win over Djoko in US Open. And I would say that about anyone who would have beaten Djoko, not just Fed.”
So, I am also waiting for a rematch at this year’s US Open. That’s just stubbornly absurd.

Back to the present:

I had about 75% right in my prediction today. If any one wants to play prediction, lay out your picks for all 32 matches for tomorrow.


jane Says:

Sean,

“And I would say that about anyone who would have beaten Roger”:

Then how come no one could until Novak? Not Tipsy, not Berdych, not Blake – no one.


Naydal Says:

The Federer bashing is a little out of control…and definitely a little premature to say the least.

Sampras only had a few years in the mid 1990s where he was really tough to beat in virtually any tournament. Yet, he continued to win a pile of slams. Federer has been doing it for a lot longer, and he was bound to come down a little. I think you get drained and the only way to continue playing without burning out is to conserve your fire for the tournaments that mean most. Of course, that does not apply to the French where Federer just fell apart and Nadal played unreal for 2 straight weeks.

As for Djokovic, I think he is the most overrated player at the moment. He is a great player, but I don’t see anything he does that is great other than that at the moment the other young guys haven’t gotten their heads straight yet. Tsonga, Gasquet, Monfils, Murray, Berdych, etc. are all on par with Djokovic as far as ability. I would actually say that a Tsonga or Berdych have bigger games and are better athlete than Djokovic. BUT, so as not to take anything away from Djokovic, he has it between the ears…which counts for arguably more than anything in this sport. You need an arrogant belief in yourself, which he clearly has. Federer and Nadal have it, too, but they are just smart enough to show it less. Just look at Gasquet to see what it means not to have the mental aspect of the game fully formed….


jane Says:

Shital, I hadn’t seen your post until after I wrote my response – great minds…

Sean can’t really explain why he devalues Novak’s Grand Slam but this isn’t the first time.

Von,

Yahoo for Dancevic; he is a good player and played well in Canada in July last year. He just never seems to put it all together, alas.


osazone4real Says:

Djoko is not an over rated player he is a very talented player. His win over Fed is not a due to any Mono.

I keep saying it and I will coninue saying it.

1.In AO 2008 fed played tippy 5 sets and pronounced himself 100% next round he beat Blake as usual until Djoko downed him.

2.In canada 2007 djoko bt him b4 the mono(remenbering that fed lost a set he served for)
I am not a Djoko fan(albeit I think he talks too much) and I am not a Fed Basher.

Seeing Djokos comeback today I am begining to retract my Pronouncements if Djoko can keep his matches short and meet Fed he will beat Fed God willing He is well.

Djoko is a talented Player and a hardworking one at that.

I just hope my boy keeps does well 2morrow (rafa I mean)


Naydal Says:

Djokovic is obviously talented – he is #3 in the world. I just think that even if he eventually moves up to #2 or #1 it won’t last long before he falls back some. He’s a very steady player, but there are too many other players with more game who are also much better athletes.


osazone4real Says:

shital

I hope u did not spend all the time checking their H2H(LOL):
so we see 2 morrow:

My predictions are

1.Rafa v andrea : rafa
2.santoro v murray:murray
3.Gasquet v fish :gasquet
4.roddick v scwank : rodddick
5.becker vs Davydenko: davydenko
6.rochus vs blake: blake
7.vasselin vs cillic: cillic
8.andrson vs calleri anderson
9.stephanek vs Jan: stephanek
10 jesse vs young: young
11 odesnik Jarrko : jarkko
12. almagro vs pujol amalgro
13. kiefer vs benneteau: kiefer
14.martin vs ivo minar
15.garcia lopez v izak: garcia lopez
16.chardy vs gil: chardy
17.ventura vs schutller: schutler
18.bjorkman vs clement: clement
19.baker vs stefano: stefano
20.ljubicci vs melzer: melzer
21.roitman vs youzny:youzhny
22isner vs gulbis: Gulbis
23grosjean v starace: grosjean
24mathien v oscar H: mathieu
25tipsy v ascione: ascione
26.robredo v viligen : robredo
27troiki vs lapenti : troiki
28xavier vs dennis: dennis
29.canas vs haas: canas
30boris v chris:boris
31david v giles: giles
32 mahut v tursnov: tursunov


rogers twin sister Says:

To those of you who were licking your chops on this blogsite approximately six months ago re Nalby beating Fed being a signal of Fed’s demise, what do you have to say now that Nalby has been knocked out in the first round of Wimby? Are you still bleating and crowing?

Oh, and Sean, I swear you’re Gimelstob in disguise.


Daniel Says:

Jane,

You talk about dark horses I have one in mind, Bellucci! I hope he can get further to gain some Slam experience, and by the look at his draw (the bottom half od Djoko’s draw) he can win the next round and will probably face Baggy. If he manages to pass that, the draw will be wide open, and I can see him facing Djoko in the quarters. Well we brazilians are very optimistics and this guy is the first after Guga who can really play a high leval of tennis. I am looking forward to see what will he do?!


rogers twin sister Says:

“Fed use to own…” ???? At first I thought Sean had made a typo, but then he did it again. I’m now thinking that Sean needs to take some remedial spelling and writing courses. Uh, Sean, for the record, it should be written, “Fed used to own…” DUH!


osazone4real Says:

Naydal

He’s a very steady player, but there are too many other players with more game who are also much better athletes.

Who r the other better players, from the gap between the top 3 players and the others which the ATP ranking clearly shows(nadal and Fed aside) who Else?


jane Says:

Daniel,
Yeah, Bellucci looked good against Rafa at RG, particularly in that first set. We’ll see how he fares on grass!


Ra Says:

Shital,

yeah, I got that one, and missed some others. Thanks for the credit.

Am so glad I forked out the dough for live-streaming coverage. I’m just always finding myself frustrated with the way the focus jumps around on TV and end up increasingly wishing that I could turn the volume down on the commentators yet still hear the hear the matchplay. I’m finding the Wimbledon site’s commentators much more constructive. And though the family is clearly replete with attitude all around, there’s really no contest as far as which McEnroe I prefer to hear from at this point.

I’m disappointed that both Monfils and Tsonga are broken right now. Monfils isn’t among my favorites in terms of style of play, but there is someone who I’d say contends well with Novak in terms of athleticism. Tsonga is very definitely someone whose style of play is among my favorites. If only he can someday find reliable health and before too long… There aren’t many players in history I’d delight to watch more than him (at or near his best).

As for talk of Novak facing only Tsonga in the AO final, I kind of understand because Tsonga was certainly not on his game during that match quite like he was prior to it. I think that came down to nerves, peaking out a match to early, AND the guy on the other side of the net. But I would like to say that even though that GS gave Novak his biggest reward thus far, I feel that I’ve seen better from him both before and after. Time alone will tell where he goes from here.


Ra Says:

… peaking out a match too early, that is.


Naydal Says:

osazone4real

I’m referring to Gasquet, Tsonga, Berdych, Monfils, Almagro, Murray, Baghdatis, etc….and then others like Del Potro in the near future.

I believe that Djokovic is ahead right now because of his mental edge/confidence/arrogance. I think his abilities are on par with those other player – or better, but not by much. When it comes to his athleticism I think he is in the back of the pack quite frankly.

So with him I think it’s just a matter of players figuring him out, which will happen soon enough. Federer and Nadal (and all the other all-time great players of the past for that matter) are dominant even against players that have play them 10 times because they’re simply better athletes and players. I don’t think Djokovic fits into this category. But hey, just my opinion…we’ll have to wait and see how the next few years unfold.


jane Says:

Ra,

Perhaps Tsonga exhibited nerves, particularly in that final tiebreak. But unlike Rafa, Novak really took the net away from Tsonga and thus he *couldn’t* play like he did against Rafa. On hard courts in particular, Novak drives the ball really deep and he kept Tsonga back on his heels a lot. Also Novak seemed to have a pretty good read on Tsonga’s serve.

So overall, I disagree that Tsonga didn’t play a great final, though he did show some nerves and some weariness, but would argue that Novak’s game took away any chance of him dominating the net like he had in previous matches.


osazone4real Says:

Naydal

Just to give u a hint about the players u named

- Murray(bust in the scene about same time as djoko but where is he in the ranking compared to djoko he is just overated by eurosport and throws tantrums on the court like a kid)

- gasquet(does not have enough stamina albeit he is very talented)

- Tsonga( should not be rated only by his game against nadal it is one in a lifetime game we are yet to see a repeat)

- Berdych( come on no consistency)

-Monfils(lets not forget he was playing
challengers b4 RG)

-Almagro(the one nadal ripped apart)

-Baghadatis(for sure talented but usually very unfit and inconsistent)

-Del Potro( who is that, please dont add that name)


Giner Says:

“When exactly did Federer own the tour then?… if its right up until Nadal came to the scene then its until 2005.. so Im guessing Federer only owned the tour in 2004…. this is just crazy… the truth is that Federer has owned (by me definition at least) the tour every year from 2004 to 2007, 2008 being the first year where he is finally losing important matches… and it could very well be because of mono…. whos to say he wont return to his old ways and start owning again in 2009 though?? I dont understand how people are so quick to assume that he will never ever be as dominant again when he has done it for almost 4 years now”

He owned the tour in 2004. He still came out on top 2005-2007, but he didn’t ‘own’ it.


Ra Says:

Jane, I agree that Novak’s play was a huge factor in Tsonga’s apparent decline in play, but he also blew some sitting ducks of a variety that he wasn’t missing prior. And though I think you are absolutely right that Djokovic’s play didn’t leave room for confidence at net like he had against Rafa, Tsonga wasn’t anywhere near as sharp off of the volleys that he “should’ve” been able to put away based on the match prior. Some of Rafa’s passing efforts were absolutely fierce, and even those were trumped with a deftness of touch that is rarely seen on tour. And Tsonga appeared incapable of missing a defensive lob in the semifinal.

I’m not saying that Tsonga played horribly or that Novak didn’t play extremely well, but to my eyes Tsonga was clearly not the player he had been prior. But also, as I’ve mentioned, my opinion is that I’ve seen Djokovic play better tennis than at the AO anyhow. I do need to see more of him in a best of 5 format, though, and I’m sticking with my assertion that his game has probably yet to fully develop. Again, time will tell.


Sean Randall Says:

Jane, I believe Fed was indeed sick during Australia. He looked sick. He then said he was sick. I’ll agree with him on that. That said, I also devalue Fed’s win over Novak in Monte Carlo. God knows what was up with that, but I see it as the two matches canceling out, so I am eager to see them play at their best if not here then sometime this summer.

And I still give credit to Novak for pulling out that win over Roger.

As for Berlucci, I think he’s a Top 20/Top 10 type of player. I also like Del Potro this week only.

Rogers Twin, I think I blogged about Roger’s demise before the Nalbandian losses. Actually it was after his US Open win.

As for Justin, really? I’m Justin Gimelstob. Wow. Can you elaborate on the similarities? Help my cause, please.

By the way, “use” or “used”. I never said this was grammar class.


Ra Says:

From another angle, I’m not sure I or many of us really have a clear sense of how close the competition is within the top 100 on any given day. Yes, the top 3 have certainly distanced themselves from the field through consistent play and solid mentality, but it’s not as if they are bagelling the rest of the field for straight sets or getting through to many stretches without facing break points, being broken, or losing sets. In one sense, that makes it even more remarkable that there is such a (potentially vapid) distance in points. At the same time, it doesn’t leave a heck of a lot of margin for error. I mean, really, how far can any of these guys be from their best before they take the L instead of the W? 2 percent? 5? To me, 5% off and I think it’s gonna be a serious struggle for any of the top 3 to take a title. I imagine that if they are any farther from their best than that there are plenty of contenders qualified to take them out early on. Add one person’s good day to another’s bad day and things start to unravel pretty quickly.


Ra Says:

The above should read as “or getting through many stretches…”. I’m gonna need to start typing my posts in a text editor.


Shital Green Says:

Roger’s Twin Sister really cracked me up. Thanks.

Great minds indeed think alike, Jane.

Osazone4real,
You made my job easier. I am copying and pasting with some changes. I differed from you in eight picks and expressed some doubts in a few others.

1. Rafa def. Beck (?)
2. Murray def. Santoro
3. Gasquet vs. Fish (expect upset?)*
4. Roddick def. Scwank
5. Davydenko def. Becker
6. Blake def. C. Rochus
7. Cillic def. Roger-vasselin
8. Anderson def. Calleri
9. Stephanek def. Hernych
10. Young def. Levine
11. Nieminen def. Odesnik (‘d like surprise)
12. Almagro def. Pujol (‘d like upset)
13. Kiefer def. Benneteau (expect upset)
14. Minar def. Arguello
15. I. Merwe def. Garcia-Lopez (?)*
16. Gil vs. Chardy (50-50)*
17. Ventura def. Schuettler*
18. Clement def. Bjorkman
19. Galvani def. J. Baker
20. Melzer def. Ljubicic (not sure)
21. Youzhny def. Roitman
22. Gulbis def. Isner
23. Starace def. Grosjean*
24. Mathieu def. O. Hernandez
25 Tipsy def. Ascione*
26. Robredo def. Vliegen
27. Troicki def. Lapentti (I like Viktor T.)
28. Gremelmayr def. Malisse
29. Canas def. Haas (?)
30. Eaton def. Pashanki*
31. Olejniczak def. Simon* (?)
32 Tursnov def. Mahut


Ra Says:

I don’t have the sense of clarity or wherewithal to pick across the whole draw, but I’ll take Odesnik over Nieminen.


jane Says:

Ra,

I agree with your assertion that there’s not much between the top 100; on any given day, #3 could lose to #77 (hopefully not Wednesday though!), or #1 could lose to #86. We just never know. All players have bad or off days, so the odd first round or early round upset shouldn’t be judged too harshly, particularly if the player who loses is otherwise pretty consistent.


jane Says:

Sean,

I look forward to another Roger / Novak match up too, but give the edge to Roger on grass; clearly he’s the more experienced champion to say the least. I wanna see them play on hard court again.


NachoF Says:

Sean Randall

“By the way, “use” or “used”. I never said this was grammar class.”

Wow, you are officially a douche…cant even take a simple advice.


Ra Says:

Sean,

I just wanted to say thanks for taking the time to write your blog so that we have the opportunity to romp all over it. I’m particularly grateful that we are allowed to make our errors of grammar and syntax(even as we criticize yours), because I, for one, can’t seem to get through many comments these days without making one or two.


sardino Says:

Canas took Fed down twice in 2007 not 2006 …

Dan, well the swiss miss’s “mono” can explain that loss also. Apparently he has a sort of revolving mono which comes and goes when it’s convenient.

Q. When you had mono, did you ever think of Mario Ancic and the fact he missed like six months?
ROGER FEDERER: For some reason I didn’t think of him, no, because it was over before it started for me. I heard I had it, and two weeks later they said it was gone.

Q. Did it surprise you it was so short?
ROGER FEDERER: No, because it can be over very quickly. Apparently I already had it back in 2006, hints of it, but… Yeah, so it’s in the past.

http://www.tennis-x.com/story/2008-04-02/h.php


Ra Says:

OK, I’ll bite…

sardino,

Personally, I’m not inclined to attribute Federer’s losses to Canas to mononucleosis.

However, I would like to state that in the case of what is known as Recurrent Mononucleosis (or Chronic Mononucleosis or what is sometimes further classified through differential diagnosis as Epstein-Barr Syndrome), the number one catalyst for relapse and the elevated presence of viral agents in the body is stress. If one were to hypothesize that Federer has been dealing with this condition, then it makes absolute clinical sense that it would rear its head during periods of highest stress. These are probably the very same times that one would be inclined to call it “convenient”. These are precisely the instances where one would look (from a medical perspective) in order to find empirical confirmation of the syndrome.

Additionally, I don’t understand your purpose in choosing to quote those particular lines of that interview, as there is nothing there that is in any way incongruous with what is scientifically known of the possible patterns of the disease course.


Von Says:

Sean Randall:

I echo Ra’s post. I’m thankful we have an article on Wimby and all of the other tournaments on which to comment. What would we do presently if there wasn’t one? I suppose twiddle our thumbs! I also agree with you that it’s not a grammar class nor English 101. These are blogs, wherein typos and/or grammatical errors do occur, especially when we do not have the time or are too lazy (in my case) to proof-read. Heck, I’m the queen of typos. It’s not so much a bad reflection on the writer as it is on the individual who’s small-minded enough to point out these little deficiencies. We are judged by the quality of our mercy!


NachoF Says:

No one was really merciless about his grammatical mistake…. its just that his reply was more like he felt offended that someone corrected him… hey, English is not my first language, I actually like being corrected so I can improve.


Von Says:

Sometimes discretion is the better part of valor. It is unwise to publicly humiliate someone, especially when it’s to derive pleasure in so doing. The poster who did this has an history of targeting Sean and other posters (myself included) who are disliked using ridiculous barbs. It is akin to a two-year old obtaining some sort of pleasure throwing a tantrum.

You state you like being corrected so that you can improve, and I’m all for that. However, I’m sure you would be somewhat slightly offended and/or humiliated if you were placed in the writer’s position. If it’s a case of habitual lapses or the subject matter is illegible, then there’s justification, but not when the correction is mainly to derive pleasure. It’s also a matter of how it’s done. Omitting a ‘d’ is not a big deal! I’d say some mental maturity would help in this case. Such put-downs are tantamount to abuse and/or harassment when it’s habitual, and an intelligent person can determine the depth of character/intelligence of the person pointing out the error. I’m sure we’re all (or most of us) bigger than that.


Skorocel Says:

Von said:

“Safin looked very composed today. I hope he can win some more matches.”

Hm, that would mean a win over… Well, you know who :) Not that I (as a Fed fan) would be against it :)


NachoF Says:

I confess that I did not know that there was a history between the poster and Sean…. still, I wonder… what other way is there to prevent this from happening again?… “used to” is a very common expression so he was bound to use it again incorrectly. Is it really for the best to just leave it as is and not say anything because this isn’t “grammar class”?


Skorocel Says:

Sean Randall said:

“Guess this is setting up well for a deep US Open run by Dave.”

Ha ha, that’s as optimistic of a statement as it gets :) Anyway, I hope you’ll prove right! Being a Nalby fan, one doesn’t know whether to marvel at his incredible shotmaking or to just punch him in the face for all those inexplicable losses like that one vs Chardy at FO (or indeed that yesterday’s one vs Dancevic)… Boy, what a wasted talent this guy is! People complain about Safin being lazy and a headcase, but he at least won 2 slams… Nalby, in my opinion, is even more talented than Marat, but won zero :{


Von Says:

“I confess that I did not know that there was a history between the poster and Sean…. still, I wonder… what other way is there to prevent this from happening again?… “used to” is a very common expression so he was bound to use it again incorrectly. Is it really for the best to just leave it as is and not say anything because this isn’t “grammar class”?”

Believe me there’s an history — a very pathetic one. This poster shows up on this site probably every 4 weeks and this is her style; main focus to zero in on those who are the target. You will notice nothing concerns the actual game of tennis — that’s unimportant. However, What is important to her is the put downs and barbs and English Composition 101. It’s become sickeneing, and infra dignitatem. This is the first occasion I’ve spoken up about it because I feel that it is unwarranted and has gone on for too long. I’ll probably take some heat for speaking up, but I’ve grown accustomed to the special putdowns aimed at me. Sometimes on the run people make mistakes in grammar without thinking — it sounds OK to the ear. I’ve seen his articles and I know that he writes correctly almost always, except a few typos here and there. and that’s OK. Anyone can figure out the content and understand what is being said. Considering how fast these articles have to be written, anything can happen. Leaving out a “d” is inconsequential to the subject matter — everyone should be able to understand the meaning of the sentence; no need to make a big deal out of it. This is a manifestation of a small, pathetic mind whose thinking is limited.


Von Says:

Ooops I made a typeo “sickeneing” should be sickening. See, it’s so easy to mess up.


Von Says:

Skorocel:

“Von said:
“Safin looked very composed today. I hope he can win some more matches.”

Hm, that would mean a win over… Well, you know who Not that I (as a Fed fan) would be against it. :)

I wasn’t thinking about who would be his next opponent — now that you’ve mentioned it, that will probably be the end of Safin’s Wimby tournament; Djoko will win. Safin got a tough draw. Poor guy he’s having a difficult time trying to get back up the ladder to fame and glory. Of course you wouldn’t mind — Watch out with that scheming mind of yours. :)


Skorocel Says:

Von said:

“Watch out with that scheming mind of yours. :)”

Ha ha, am I really that nasty? :) I don’t thik so… But seriously, I’m not that mean to wish anyone a loss – regardless if it’s Nadal, Djoker, or whoever… Ya know, these things could easily turn against you (or better said, against your favourite player)… If Marat indeed pulls out a miracle and beats Djoker, then fine, but if the Serb’s to play Fed in the semis, then all the better… At least this match will (to a certain extent, of course) settle the score between these two – just as Sean’s already pointed out…


Shital Green Says:

Skorocel,
First, thanks for tucking back the protruding desire.
Ref: “At least this match will (to a certain extent, of course) settle the score between these two – just as Sean’s already pointed out.”

No, it won’t if Sean is looking for fairness. He thinks the AO win was “not clean,” and I counter back, only by following his illogic, the US Open win was not clean. So since Fed’s win at Wimby is not part of the argument, meaning Fed does not have to prove anything anymore here, lose or win, (he has been the King of Grass for 6 years) and since we are talking about hard court at a Grand Slam level, the score will be settled only at the US Open 2008 (and if we agree, it will be pre/re/validated at Montreal, Cincinnati, Madrid, and Paris).


Sean Randall Says:

Shital, was Novak injured at the US Open? Was there some debate on that?

Fed beat Novak at the US Open, fair and square. Novak did the same earlier in Montreal. I look forward to “round 3″, hope we get it here.

If you want to make the case Novak had a ton of chances to win that US Open match, fine. Fed had a lot of chances to win in Montreal, too.

Again, Round 3. Bring it on.


Von Says:

Skorocel:

“Ha ha, am I really that nasty? I don’t thik so… But seriously, I’m not that mean to wish anyone a loss – regardless if it’s Nadal, Djoker, or whoever… Ya know, these things could easily turn against you (or better said, against your favourite player)…”

No, you’re not nasty at all, just a little wishful in your thinking. :) And, you’re right, be careful what we wish for, it could come back to haunt us. You’re on the right path to heaven? :) Or whereever?


rogers twin sister Says:

Sean: My comment re Nalbandian was not aimed at you. It was to the those who blogged with much glee approximately six months ago that Nalby was practically the new #1 after he’d beaten Fed, Ferrer and a few others near the end of a year in which he was well rested while the others were exhausted. At that time, I remarked that his 60+ unforced errors in his winning match against Ferrer would not a champion make. Well, we’ve seen where Nalby went since then.

As to your incorrect grammar, it’s incumbent upon you as a journalist to use good grammar. When you write as you do, you perpetuate the incorrect use of the English language because people assume (when they shouldn’t) that a journalist writes well. So, your flippant remark that this isn’t grammar class is cavalier. Are you saying that a sports journalist shouldn’t be held to the same standards as any other journalist?

Re the comparison to Gimelstob: he speaks the way you write, so it’s not much of a stretch to compare the two of you.

Von: One of these days you will cease and desist with your character assassinations of those who do not think of you as someone special. My blog made no mention of you, and I’m sure that upset you since you seem to want the world to revolve around your inane pronouncements. There you go!
NOW you’re the center of attention. Negative attention, I’ll agree, but I’m sure it warms the cockles of your heart. Now, find a life!


Shital Green Says:

Davydenko out in straight set ! You reap what you sow, play Warsaw and lose at Wimby in straight sets to 116th ranked Becker.


jane Says:

On behalf of Sean, rogers twin sister, I don’t see this site so much as “journalism” per se but more like blogism. I think (though I may be wrong) that these blogs, maybe Sean’s in particular, are written in a hurry. I don’t think this is Sean’s only job though, again, i may be wrong.

In any case, it’s not wrong to point out writing/grammar errors, or even typos, provided it’s in good spirits and not followed by a condescending “duh!”. In other words, you could be a little kinder about it; while Sean and I have had our differences, he always writes entertaining pieces, with wit and satire to spare. That’s not so common among many ernest sports writers / bloggers, some of whom take fanaticism to new heights, so it’s refreshing, at least to me.

Sean – keep em coming.


jane Says:

See – there you go – I meant “earnest” not Ernest – guess I have Gulbis on the brain, as must Rafa!


Von Says:

rogers twin sister:

“Von: One of these days you will cease and desist with your character assassinations of those who do not think of you as someone special. My blog made no mention of you, and I’m sure that upset you since you seem to want the world to revolve around your inane pronouncements.”

Just for once I was blessed not to be included in your garbage statements. How about every thread, on which you’ve subsequently posted, in which you continuously state to me to “get a life” or that “this site is my home”, or “I live here”. Do those lines jog your memory? I do not need YOU to tell me I’m special, I know that I am. It comes from within. You on the other hand, has to put yourself out there for all to see and despise/dislike. That’s the only way you can be special, or think you are. The only responses to your brainiac statments are those in answer to your uncalled for venemous, criticisms — they are not to discuss anything of importance, guess why, you have nothing important to say. You spew venom. Unless someone is absolutely devoid of class, there isn’t any need to publicly humiliate others. What do you achieve by your classless nonsense, nothing worthwhile. Hence, why do you continue? You can answer the question to yourself. Enjoy your day, and I DO have a life, do YOU?


jane Says:

Sean,

I have to agree with Shital – I don’t think any “score” can be settled between Roger and Nole on grass; Roger is the undisputed King on this stuff – has been for 6 years – much like Rafa is on clay. Only Rafa has been able to push Roger to 5 sets, and Rafa’s been number 2 for three years and has played two Wimbledon finals. Novak only just got to number 3 last year, and has been to the Wimbledon semis only once and has never played Roger on grass.

So no score would or could be settled. If Novak won it’d be a miracle. ;-)

You’d be comparing apples and oranges too. To *truly* see the score “settled” between these two, it’ll have to be on hard court, where their rivalry actually exists. Logic & experience prevail in making this judgement.


Von Says:

correction:

“How about every thread, on which you’ve “subsequently” posted,”

Should be: How about every thread, on which you’ve “previously” posted,


Sean Randall Says:

Rogers Twin, where have I said I was a journalist? As for grammar, feel free to make proper use of it. But if you don’t, I don’t care. Just make sure you can get your point across. I for one put more importance on content. This is a blog. This isn’t the London Times.

Jane, if both Rog and Novak are healthy this will absolutely settle the score. If not when? Or is it only on hardcourts where it matters since Roger has the edge on grass and Rafa the edge on clay?


Von Says:

would anyone know which live streaming I can use that will show the matches in their entire content instead of the pig pong, more talk, less action, ESPN TV station? ESPN has gotten worse with their coverage — previously we were able to see about 50% of the American players’ matches — presently maybe 10%. It’s so ridiculous — Roddick is now playing and I’ve seen the sum total of about 10 minutes of the whole match thus far. I’m frustrated.
__________
Shital:

You stated Roddick will eat up Schwank — he’s having it tough with Schwank and groaning ever so loudly. According to P. McEnroe, An MRI shows Roddick’s shoulder still has some inflammation and he has not been able to serve very hard. Oh, what will be the outcome for him? I’m so upset.


jane Says:

Sean,

As I said above, there is NO rivalry or score between Roger and Nole on grass; they’ve NEVER played on this stuff -ever! How could Novak settle a score? Roger has NEVER lost at Wimbie in what? Six years? That’d be like saying Nole had a chance to beat Rafa at RG, but we all know he didn’t – nor did anyone.

I’d say if *Rafa* beats Roger this year on grass HE’D be settling a score, since he got Roger to 5 last year and could’ve (should’ve?) won it. Nole hasn’t even been in a Wimbledon final and only got to his first grass final at Queens.

However, Roger and Novak have played three well-contested matches (there were others previously but not close) on hard-court. A fourth would either settle the score (2 Novak -AO & Montreal- and 2 Roger -USO and ?) or it would put Novak ahead on the hard courts, imo.

If Novak beats Roger here I’ll be amazed; I think he needs to negotiate Safin first, go step-by-step. Roger, however, is almost a shoe-in for the final – he’s won five of them! Nole hasn’t even been past the semis. Come on, that’s obvious, isn’t it? This isn’t a level playing field between these two yet, but hard court is.


jane Says:

Von,
Take heart: only one set to go for Andy. Maybe they can give him cortisone shots like they’ve done for Agassi’s back in the past? We’ll see, but hope for the best.

Schwank’s no easy out, as he showed at the French.


Von Says:

jane:

Yes, it’s good that he only has one more set to go. Schwank is working those points as if he’s on clay. He looks like another David Ferrer. With respect to the cortisone shots, andy’s too young to be taking them. If he starts now, by the time he gets to Andre’s pre-retirement age 35(?) was it, his brachial plexus and or dorsal will be eaten away from the cortisone. I hope his shoulder heals naturally. Mardy Fish lost today. The American men have gone down like dead flies — one swat and 9 down.


jane Says:

I should clarify this point “or it would put Novak ahead on the hard courts, imo.”

I mean presently of course another successive win on hard against Roger would give Novak the “current” edge in their rivalry. Obviously it wouldn’t override Roger’s past results on hard. I just mean now.


jane Says:

Von – Fish did have to contend with Gasquet, last year’s semifinalist and this year’s queen’s quarterfinalist, so Fish was fighting an uphill battle anyhow. Isner also had a tough 1st round. Ginepri had Gonza too! Young’s still finding his feet on the tour. Unluck of the draw for the American guys, I guess you could say.

Roddick and Blake will move on.


Shital Green Says:

Von,
Ok, I misspoke. I still believe that Roddick will pull out in straight sets. I cannot ask more than that. Schwank is a good player. So what? Roddick is just better. I did not complain when my Serbinator had to play 4 sets. Chill out, girl. Nadal was able to convert only 2 break points and was pushed to a tie breaker. If we compare the three, I still like Roddick’s, not as easy as Fed’s in the 1st round, though.


Von Says:

Shital:

OK I’ll count my blessings and chill out. I’m just frustrated by the luck of the American men in the draw that’s all. Roddick always seems to be the “only” hope, except at the FO this year when Ginepri got the furthest. The second round won’t be any easier if Andy gets Tipsy. I’m not keeping track of Tipsy’s matches so I don’t know if he’ll be the one to play against Andy in Round 2. Do you have more info on that one?

Your Serbinator will do fine against Safin. I would have liked for Safin to get to at least Round of 16 before meeting Djoko — too much wishful thinking and hoping!!


Von Says:

jane:

You’re right about Gasquet and Fish. Gasquet seems to peak against the Americans at wimby. He’s good on grass.


jane Says:

I see Murray came back against “the magician” in the second set, which is nice; be good for him to pull this out in three. It’s also nice that Santoro gets his wish of playing once on centre court at Wimbledon before he retires. He’s a special one and will be missed for his crazy and sometimes amazing style of play.


Shital Green Says:

Von,
Yes, Tipsy is already in the 2nd rd, beating Ascione in straight sets, and is ready to fall to Roddick’s wrath.


Von Says:

Shital:

Thanks for the info. I saw on the TV screen top line that Tipsy won his match v. Ascione. It was a pretty easy match for him. Perhaps it was good for Andy to have to play a difficult match — he needed the match play. if he was match play grooved, he probably would have had an easier time. Anyway, I’m looking forward to Round 2 with some trepidation though, but hoping for the very best. i wish i were as confident as you are.

Tomorrow will be yours and jane’s anxiety, anxious parents’ day to watch your little guy go at Safin. Sorry, but i like Safin more. You won’t hold that against me would ya? I would like for Marat to have a good run for old times sake, but at the same time i don’t want him to spoil it for Djoko, whose odds of getting deeperinto the tournament is greater than Safin’s. See, I’m fair-minded. :)


Von Says:

Shital:

In case you did not see my post on the other thread, I checked out your site and added something there. Did you get it? Check out the line.


Shital Green Says:

Von,
“I would like for Marat to have a good run for old times sake, but at the same time i don’t want him to spoil it for Djoko, whose odds of getting deeperinto the tournament is greater than Safin’s.”
This is all fair.
I like Safin. I would not mind your rooting for Safin. I would be doing the same if it were not against Djoko.
Brad was saying Roddick-Tipsy match would be a tight 4-setter like the last time they played here. It could be like that, so be prepared.
I afraid Blake is down a set and the match may not finish tonight.
Btw, I had a question for you in the other thread about fines.


Von Says:

James Blake is now playing — I hope he didn’t listen to the commentators.


Von Says:

Shital:

We posted at the same time about Blake.

I will try to stay calm when Andy plays Tipsy — but it’s so difficult. About 3 years ago, i didn’t have so many problems with uncertainty, whenever Andy played, as I do now. However, the field has gotten denser with too many good players and any player can pose a huge threat.

About the fines for withdrawals, I don’t know any more than you state, except that I read somewhere, and I can’t remember exactly, that unless they give the required notice of time for withdrawals, especially at the slams, they’re heavily fined. That being the case, it would be better to just show up and retire — saving a good chunk of money.


Daniel Says:

I think the second round will be a turning point for the top 3. All of them have tricky opponents: Safin (if he remembers the old form) could beat Djoko, Gulbis has the game to beat Nadal and Soderling also has a solid game, but out of this three is the most likelly to not upset Fed due to the HxH.

In second round the grass is still fresh and the matches are very fast, a break of serve and next thing you see you are a set down against a player who could be getting momentum, specially if he is a big server.

After that, they all will be in victory mode colliding in the final rounds, maybe Nadal struggle a little bit more, since he could face Stepanek/Youznhy and Murray/Gasquet before the semis. But Djoko and Fed will have no problem reaching the semis.


Dave Says:

I can’t believe there are still people casting aspersions on whether or not Fed actually had mono or not. It has been obvious to anyone who knows tennis (who isn’t biased against Fed) that he was not well at the AO. Even people who interviewed him at the time noted that he looked pale and sluggish. To suggest that his play dipped so quickly after ruling the field at the masters is foolish. I also don’t think that casting aspersions on someone’s integrity without any evidence is fair or wise. I think Federer was perfectly within rights to reveal his illness with all the nonsense talk about his decline.


jane Says:

Von,

“Tomorrow will be yours and jane’s anxiety, anxious parents’ day to watch your little guy go at Safin. Sorry, but i like Safin more.”

You got that right: Shital and I will be following huckleberry with bated breath. I like Safin, too, and would like to see him really make a run at a slam some time soon, but not this one on Djoko’s side of the draw! How about at the USO he cruises through someone else’s section – should I name names? ;-)


Shital Green Says:

Von, I saw your comment on the other thread and added mine.


Twocents Says:

I can’t agree with you more, Dave. People tend to mix up two separate things: Fed’s mono and his decline. Maybe he’s in decline due to age, desire, stress, mono…It’s an open call. But fact is he was sick at AO’08. And people crucify him for revealing his illness :-((.

I also second Sean on that any top10 or top20 would have beaten Fed at AO’08 — after Tipsy, Berdchy, and Blake fights. The trio losers did help Novak big time in draining the ailing Fed. How could people keep arguing that if Fed can beat the trio then he’s not sick? Fed’s no robot. And even robot worn out after 3 tough rounds :-)). But of course, this doesn’t mean Novak played bad. He played very solid, good job being the last straw that breaks camel’s back.

Pre-tournament press, Fed answered “I would CONSIDER myself a hundred per cent.”

After beating Berdych, Fed told Courier at court side on Berdy’s 2nd set set point “It’s wrong shot selection from him. If he got 2nd set, I didn’t know what would have happened…” He knew he’s not up to more than 3 sets.


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