Nadal Cannot Shoulder Paris; Federer, Djokovic Lead Field
by Sean Randall | November 5th, 2010
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In a mild surprise, Rafael Nadal announced today that he will not be playing the final week of the ATP’s “regular season” at the Paris Tennis Masters because of an abrupt shoulder issue.

“I cannot play because of a tendinitis in the left shoulder,” Nadal said. “I need to rest for six or seven days. It is nothing to be worried about but the doctor told me I have to spend those days doing intensive treatment and functional rehabilitation with physiotherapy. I’m very sorry for the tournament organizers, who’ve always treated me in a very special way, and especially sorry for all my fans in France and in Paris that I won’t be able to be with them in one of my favorite cities in the world.”

Nadal’s had a few weeks of rest since his Asian swing during which he reported no issues with the shoulder – though, perhaps this ailment stems from his amped-up serve? And while shoulder issues in tennis can become very serious I’m guessing this is more of a preventive measure, so that’s why I label Rafa’s withdrawal as “mild”.

With Nadal’s enormous ranking lead there’s not much to play for in Paris. He has the No. 1 ranking comfortably in the bag. He’s pocketed plenty of cash already this year and despite few issues with his knees of late, he has to be ever-mindful of overplaying and re-aggravating those knees again.

Regardless, I think it’s a good move for Nadal but once again the Paris tournament is snakebit with the loss of a another star.

As for the draw, it’s still a good one with Roger Federer, Novak Djokovic, Andy Murray, Robin Soderling and Andy Roddick. But with No. 1 settled and the London Top 8 virtually sewn up with Roddick and Ferrer almost locked into the final two spots, it’s hard to find interesting storylines for next week’s event. And that said, it’s going to be hard if not conflicting for some players to find the motivation.

For the London 8, it’s a question of maximizing their efforts with the slight risk of damaging their Finals chances or heed conservation. And for the non London 8, after a long, draining season how much do they really have left in the tank for this final week push?

So as always in these final weeks, look for some surprises and some upsets. But with that comes a lot of opportunity for the lower ranked guys to end 2010 with a bang!

Early on, however, Federer should be immune to any upset bug. The Swiss’ draw looks almost handpicked with a Frenchman in either Nicolas Mahut or Richard Gasquet in his opener, then perhaps another match with Radek Stepanek in the third round before Ferrer in the quarterfinals. Fed should get through to the semifinals, assuming he upholds his commitment and plays – remember he’s still in Basel with Roddick tomorrow and possibly Djokovic on Sunday and like Rafa there’s not much at stake in Paris.

In the second quarter, if 2008 Paris winner David Nalbandian can flip the switch and get back on track this section is great for him. Otherwise, I think Andy Murray or Gael Monfils should emerge. Buoyed by the crowd, Monfils, the runner-up last year, should cut through the tiring Fernando Verdasco and maybe even beat Murray who could already be looking ahead to London.

Roddick also has a great home in the third quarter. Andy’s been playing well this week in Basel – after a convincing win over Nalbandian today, he gets Federer Saturday – and I think that should carry over into Paris where he’ll open with vengeful mindset against either Xavier Malisse or Janko Tipsarevic. Then possibly Mikhail Youhzny before maybe Soderling. The Swede is arguably in the toughest little section with Ivan Ljubicic, Stan Wawrinka and Gilles Simon.

Djokovic, the defending champion, anchors the final quarter and his path could take him through Sam Querrey, then John Isner followed by former champion Nikolay Davydenko. Tomas Berdych also looms but the Czech has literally checked out of late.

Here’s the draw by quarterfinal seedings: 1 Federer v. 7 Ferrer, 3 Murray v. 6 Verdasco, 8 Roddick v. 4 Soderling, 5 Berdych v. 2 Djokovic.
The SFs: Federer v. Murray, Soderling v. Djokovic.

As for my pick, again given the situation of it being the last week for many players it’s hard to know who’ll give 100% and who won’t. I think the French players like Monfils, Simon and even Gasquet should feed off the energy from the crowd and play well. And that’s advantage Monfils. I also like Federer and Djokovic to have a good week. Their draws set up well. Murray, Nalbandian and even Soderling could have big runs as well.


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171 Comments for Nadal Cannot Shoulder Paris; Federer, Djokovic Lead Field

Magnolia Says:

Here we go again. Nadal’s “annual injury break”, assuming his excuse is legit. Nadal has played only 76 matches this season. Since Wimbledon, he has played only about 24 matches, and had ample breaks. He has not played that well since the US Open (even in the Tokyo tournamen he won agaist a weak field, he almost lost to Troicki in the SF). In 2006, Roger Federer played almost 100 matches, won 12 tournaments (including 3 Grand Slams and the Year-Ending Championships), then travelled to India to give comfort and inspiration to the tsunami orphans during Christmas. This year, since the Wimbledon break, the “old” Federer has played more matches than “young” Nadal — Roger has won more matches and lost less matches than Rafa. The year end championships will be interesting, but it looks like Nadal has already given his advance excuse if he fails to win it.


NELTA Says:

It’s been 8 years since Fed and Roddick faced off in Basel.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9-KlJ3tkZE&feature=related


skeezerweezer Says:

“Fed should get through to the semifinals, assuming he upholds his commitment and plays – remember he’s still in Basel with Roddick tomorrow and possibly Djokovic on Sunday and like Rafa there’s not much at stake in Paris.”

But another Masters title for the Maestro wouldn’t be that bad either…..

Go Fed!


skeezerweezer Says:

In Paris of course….


Kimberly Says:

Pick questions kimmi, Jane, contador skeezer, what to do with our four underachievers

Cilic, Davy, verdasco and berdych.


jane Says:

I picked Davy through to R16, Murray to take out Cilic, Hotsauce to lose early to Clement, a hometown man, and Berdych to make it through until he meets Davy but lose to him. Davy usually plays well indoors and kept it quite close versus Simon today, so I see him taking out Berdy. Let’s face it though; with these guys, it’s a crap shoot. ;)


Kimmi Says:

contador – it all depends with the draw. i might take cilic and davy a little far..winning 3 matches at least.

verdasco and berdych is what i am worried about..


jane Says:

“Nadal has played only 76 matches this season. ” For Rafa this is a good thing; he needs to prioritize. I don’t see this as a bad thing at all. Seems like a good decision all things considered.


Kimmi Says:

contador?? no it was not contador. sorry kimberly. that answer was for you kimberly :)


Kimmi Says:

i think nadal has more matches that anybody else this season….


jane Says:

Ah Kimmi … sounds like we’re on the same wavelength; I picked both Cilic and Davy to go further than Hotsauce and Berdy.


Kimmi Says:

yay! jane is playing. i am excited..bring it on!!


Kimberly Says:

Kimmi and Jane, I am paralyzed. Keep making crazy changes.

I think of the underachievers Davy has the largest chance to go deep.

Jane, I am still giggling at your face it it’s a crapshoot with these guys comment.

Berdych I am considering taking out first match.


Kimberly Says:

I took verdasco out to felo at the moment. But changing like crazy.


contador Says:

another report i heard on the “chat” is that verdasco already has his room booked at a certain hotel in London. the poster was saying that last week before his loss in valencia. LOL i guess hot sauce is going there to watch.

the way he has been playing, i can’t pick him to get past clement!!

Kimmi, cilic could certainly make it past recently weak stakhovsky. but not sure cillic gets past this guy if this makes it through qualifying and is his opponent. he did well against djoko…

http://chokerman.chatango.com/fullpix


Kimberly Says:

Lol contador!!!!!!!!!!


Kimberly Says:

Contador, he may know that a certain other Spanish player plans to no show. I have a feeling my boy may be saving it for 2011 and may no show the world tour final.


jane Says:

ha ha – funny photo of Jarrko!! LOL! Folk-Norwegian-Death-Metal fan = YEAH!


Kimberly Says:

Troicki not playing Paris?


contador Says:

coolest pic ever seen of jarkko! courtesy of a finnish fan…

you have a point about verdasco kimberly. hm, didn’t think of that…

about berdych and davy:

davy actually won a couple matches ( though one was a spanish teenager wc)

berdych ran into hot tobias kamke. then kamke didn’t look so hot against gasquet. which doesn’t say much for berdych atm.

montanes was terrible too. i might pick serra (frenchie) over montanes AND berdych!

davy i give more credit. though i dont think he’s terribly motivated or in form. guessing he can beat a tired kohls or bellucci


mitch Says:

Fed has never done well in Paris and has even said he doesn’t like it or feel comfortable their. I think he could make it to the semis, but wouldn’t be surprised to see him flame out early again.


Fedend Says:

Good move by Rafa. I hope he skips WTF or gets knocked out in RR. He should take his time and come back firing on all cylinders in AO. I guess he knows the importance and for the time ever in his career he is smart with his scheduling.


guy Says:

magnolia you’re a world class moron

you’re actually trying to argue that nadal hasn’t played enough to warrant injury even though he’s played more than anybody on tour.

nobody has had fewer injuries than federer so comparing anybody in this regard is retarded. and you’ll find saving the world’s orphans one vanity trip at a time doesn’t cause wear and tear on the old body. so using that to back up your argument is ridiculous.

go back to your little federer shrine


Mindy Says:

Fedend,

I find myself wondering if Rafa will actually skip the WTF. We know that this was his one stated goal for the end of the tennis year. I am fine with him pulling out of Paris. He doesn’t need it, he has the #1 ranking locked up and has a huge lead in points. It’s fortunate that he can afford to just get out.

I won’t be too upset if he pulls out of the WTF. The most important thing is for Rafa to take care of his body. He has done more than enough. The real prize is the 2011 AO and Rafa fans like myself want him healthy and ready to win.

guy,

You know it’s just not even worth bothering with people like that. I just skipped over it and didn’t bother to read. It’s just the usual hatespeak propaganda and it will never stop.

It’s the rage that a minority of Fed fans feel because Rafa has had such an incredible year. Let them drown in their own misery.


lena Says:

Paris should definitely be on Federer’s radar. He went out early last year and so he can pick up major points by going far in the draw this year at Paris. He has already picked up about 1100 points on Nadal in the recent few weeks.


dave Says:

Guy, sounds like you interact with a lot of morons to know who is world-class and who is not, lol. And Mindy, you must be a world-class genius to skip and not read a post — yet know what is in it. No, you must be a god, lol

Magnolia has a few points. You don’t need to be a moron to realize that:
- Nadal’s 76 matches is about average or below average for a No. 1 in most years in the open era.
- Most of Nadal’s matches (52) were played in first half of season.
- Since Wimbledon, Nadal has had lots of rest. He has played only 24 matches in the past four months.
- Nadal’s 24 matches are less than half the number of matches he played in first half of season. That’s also less matches than two veteran players five years older than him (Federer and Melzer) and other players.

What Magnolia did not say is that Nadal’s game may still not be sustainable — he pushes his body beyond its limits in order to get into a hot streak or period where he wins a lot of matches, then his body breaks down and he has to take a break or his performance becomes less stellar (as it has been after the US Open). Nadal still has not had one year where he has been able to dominate throughout the entire season. Only 5 players in the open era have shown an ability to dominate as No. 1 for every week of a year: Connors, Lendl, Sampras, Hewitt and Federer.

You assume that “nobody has had fewer injuries than federer”. Federer has been carrying a severe back problem since at least 2003 — that’s longer than Nadal has had his knee problems. Federer was exempted from Swiss military because of his back problems, and he probably lost a few tournaments because of his back. Federer has also had other injuries and illnesses. We know about his mononucleosis in 2008 that affected his performance, yet he still won a few titles (instead of going 11 months with a title). Federer also was in a cast and crutches for torn ankle ligaments a few weeks before the 2005 World Tour Finals in Shanghai, yet he showed up like a man to compete in an ankle brace and narrowly lost a long 5-setter final to Nalbandian. Sports medicine experts will tell you that a torn ligament is a more serious injury than knee or shoulder tendonitis.

So Federer does have injuires. The difference is that Federer whines and publicizes less about his injuries than players like Nadal (and his camp) who talk a lot about his injuries, sometimes making it into a soap opera. And Federer has never retired from a match in his career, no matter how injured he is. Just because Federer is a real man who doe not make a soap opera of his injuries, some ignorant world-class morons have the perception that Federer has fewer injuries.

Finally, it would not surprise me if Nadal uses his minor tendonitis to skip the WTF (or as a wtf reason he loses in the WTF). That would protect his win-loss record at 67-9 for the year (this would be inferior to Federer’s all of four No. 1 years between 2004 to 2007). But this would finally give Nadal his first year with less than 10 losses in a season. The cost would be that his resume lacks the WTF, tennis’s most important tournament after the Grand Slams. Federer first won the WTF at age 22, and also won the WTF in all three seasons when he won three slams in the year.


pro rafa Says:

Roger Federer played almost 100 matches, won 12 tournaments (including 3 Grand Slams and the Year-Ending Championships), then travelled to India to give comfort and inspiration to the tsunami orphans during Christmas
well that is very courageous of roger aint it?? considering that the real competition for roger has begun only from the year 2008 in the form of nadal evolving into a formidable grass court player
he virtually had no competition in thise competitions….look at nadal now
he has djoker, delpo, federer murray soderling davydenko n what not? he constantly needs to play very good tennis nowadays but that was not the case with federer… even on a bad day he could win because he sorta intimidates his opponents with his style of play n his skill
nadal though a favourite even on a surface where he is fairly uncomfortable has too much competition because of the brand of tennis being played today… a brand that he set in motion nearly 5 years back


Skeezerweezer Says:

Dave,

Nice read.
Nice post :)


annie-east-coast Says:

“Nadal has played only 76 matches this season. ”

Well …. Rafa leads in 2010 match wins.

Also, have you seen his ATP point score (11,880, 2nd ranked RF 7,495; 3rd ranked ND 7,145)? Rafa has done that “playing only 76 matches”!!!!


Kimmi Says:

ah troicki..ok was that choking or not?

tie breaker time…


NELTA Says:

Troicki was serving 6-5 40-love triple set point and Djoko won 6 straight points to win the game.


blank Says:

Looks like another Federer-Djokovic final is in the cards!


margot Says:

Hi kimmi, yep it was! Someone needs to take Viktor in hand and teach him how to play those big points. V good match in parts, both very athletic. Just Novak more consistent and rock solid when it matters, why he’s no 3 and Viktor is ?? Let’s see if he can come back in the second set.


Kimmi Says:

troicki looking up in the sky..like saying “what can i do to win against this guy?”


Kimmi Says:

break in the second set..djoko looking strong for his consecutive final to basel..


Kimmi Says:

“Looks like another Federer-Djokovic final is in the cards!”

blank – yes for djoko but we will see what roddick has to say about that..


blank Says:

It’s going to be 3 years since Djokovic won his 1st and only grand slam. And he’s just 23! But the lack of success following that breakthrough for so long, mainly due to Nadal and Federer, has to have taken a toll mentally. I am not sure if he or Murray can ever dominate a year like Nadal and Federer have been doing for so long.

So where the next one is going to come from?!! The current crop of players is just a bit too old. You gotta catch them young, before 21 or so, just like Nadal, Federer and even Djoko or DelPo and see them make a big breakthrough. Dimitrov, I am talking to you. Are you listening? If you are, then get a direct entry and make run at the AO’11!


blank Says:

True Kimmi. But it will be a mild surprise if Fed falls tonight, especially considering this is at his home and against an opponent he’s had so much success.

So what are your picks for Paris?


margot Says:

blank: Murray v Djokvich ;)
Disappointing second set from Viktor :(


Von Says:

And, the pigeon rolls over again!! choke, choke, choke.


margot Says:

Hi Von: good wishes for Andy R.
Phew, at least Ferrer has a PLAN to play Sod- are you paying attention Gael??


blank Says:

Margot, Hope Murray musters up enough to win his 1st slam next year. I feel sorry for that guy.


blank Says:

Hi Von, All ready for the next match :-) ?


Kimberly Says:

i’m pulling for Andy on this one guys, sorry Fed fans.


margot Says:

blank: I’ve consulted my fortune cookies and it’s a shoe in ;)
Come on, everyone called Andy!


jane Says:

Ferrer and Soda keep meeting over and over again – they’ve met 4 times this year, in Wimbledon, Bastad, in Bejing and Shanghai. 3 of 4 have gone Soda’s way, but Ferrer got him in straights at Bejing. Be interesting to see who wins today, with Ferrer “at home”.


Von Says:

Hi margot: Sorry about Andy M, but I suppose he was burning the candle at both ends, party, party, party.

______________
Hey blank: I’m not even going to watch because I don’t enjoy the tension. I usually record these matches, and watch after, that is, if andy wina, otherwise, I just delete it. I still can’t watch that ’09 Wimby match, as the floods become uncontrollable.


blank Says:

Glad to hear that margot ;-)

Soda plays best indoors. So if Ferrer wins this one, let’s hope for 2 more sets!


Von Says:

Margot: I suppose it makes two of us rooting for Ferrer’s plan. LOL. But, I want Roddick to qualify for the WTF, so I’m pretty torn about Ferrer’s strategy. I’ll never make a good bookie. LOL.


margot Says:

Unlike Viktor, David has a chance for the first set and takes it! That’s the way to do it!


jane Says:

i missed the entire Nole match, slept right through it. By your comments Kimmi and margot, it sounds like Victor choked in the first set, like when he had match points versus Rafa in Tokyo?? I am happy Nole got through, but I do wish Viktor would play bigs points with more confidence, if that’s what he was/is lacking. He has such a big game.

Ferrer off to a good start but Soda coming back in this second.

Andy needs to get those first serves in against Roger.


Kimmi Says:

ah, i blink and i missed the first three games. how did federer get to 3-0?


blank Says:

I hear you Von. I tend to do the same when Fed plays Nadal. But that Wimby match, even I felt very sad for Andy at the end.


Kimmi Says:

33% firat serve? is something OK with roddick. never seen him serve this bad


blank Says:

Kimmi, It’s too early. Roddick’s just serving his 2nd game. I think the stats will improve as the game progresses, but will that be enough in this set?


margot Says:

blank: I think everyone did. Andy R has SO many fans in UK.
Ah von, if Ferrer wins he goes to London, if he doesn’t, does Andy? Still Paris to go.
Unfortunately David has lost serve immediately :(
jane: yes, big freak out from Viktor, handing match to Novak.


Kimmi Says:

c’mon roger finish the set..


blank Says:

margot, Do you live in London area? Planning to go to the WTF?


Kimberly Says:

not very competitive so far


Kimmi Says:

“what a set” the commentator says.

I agree, keep going roger!


blank Says:

Kimmi, you are right. I think Andy’s serve is definitely off today.


blank Says:

Ok. So Soda is going to take it to the 3rd. Hope Ferrer does enough to make it to the Tour Finals.


blank Says:

Too early, but maybe this one goes for 3 sets as well!


Kimmi Says:

aaaggr broken…


margot Says:

blank: have tickets for 3 days :):) :)
Andy’s serve is right off and Sod takes second set double poo :(


Kimmi Says:

andy serve looks to be back…it was too easy for roger in the first set, relaxed a little and got broken.


blank Says:

That’s great margot! I am sure every single match will be of great quality. Enjoy and have fun!


margot Says:

blank: thanx, will do :) Went last year and had a gr8 time :) Saw Andy beat Verdasco…sigh…
Andy’s serve is back, now come on David!


jane Says:

margot, just curious – was “freak out” in first or second set?


jane Says:

Also margot, for which days do you have O2 tickets? Finals? :)


jane Says:

Ah, Fed breaks back. Roddick threw in a double fault there at a bad time (serve just not firing consistently today) and then hit one long, but Fed’s slice definitely contributed to the mistiming there I think. :/ Fed’s serve has been strong today with 11 aces to AR’s 3. But both are getting in about the same number of firsts at this point.


jane Says:

Ah and Soda gets the break back too! They are back on serve in the third set. Tight contest there by the looks of it.


Kimmi Says:

bad approach shot from roddick sees federer thru. Yay!

good luck for the final tomorrow.


jane Says:

Ferrer got the break back, again! He’d better hold this time; he’s so close!


Kimmi Says:

hmmm no hawk eye in valencia, a atp 500 tournament. its a shame. they better put it in pronto


jane Says:

Congrats to Ferrer who wins at home; now I wonder if he can win the title? He’ll likely play Simon?

Congrats to Fed; looks like Nole will have his hands full tomorrow in their rematch.


Kimmi Says:

ferrer thru. congratulation. has he qualified now? just waiting for the commentator to say something…he is not, hmm!


Kimmi Says:

another Lucky loser doing very well in a big tournament. he will be in the next matc against simon


margot Says:

David wins! Yes! Think he will regain title tomorrow, nice. Commentators called Sod’s coach and his sidekick the “Mitchell Brothers” these are two bald, dodgy geezers in a UK East End soap :)
not Andy R’s day, serve was key, shame :(
jane : freak out was during first set when Viktor, having played brilliantly till then, was serving for it, alas instead melt down, which completely deflated him. In second set looked like a puff adder without puff. Didn’t want tickets for final, v. expensive and quite often disappointing. Socialising instead :)


jane Says:

Kimmi I can’t tell if Ferrer qualifies, but if he wins the title, it looks like he’ll be pretty secure. I don’t know if the “race” points on the ATP site are updated per match or what.

BTW, you saw Nole’s match right? How did his form look? What I can tell from the stats is that he wasn’t serving great; only 54% firsts in for the match. From summaries I’ve read, Troicki gagged when serving for the first set, but then in the second, Nole broke in the 7th game. Nole saved set points against Nieminen too, so he’s been scraping through while Fed’s been sailing. Likely that’s a harbinger of what’ll happen tomorrow. Although the second set between Fed and Roddick was close. Had Roddick been serving more consistently and able to hold onto his lead, it might’ve gone 3 sets, and then who knows?


jane Says:

Oh, okay, thanks for update margot – I am sure you’ll have fun at O2 regardless of the days you attend!!


Kimmi Says:

jane – i watched bits of djoko match as well as the federer match today..i was cooking at the same time.

what i saw from djoko was very good. troicki was matching him shot for shot in the first set..both were serving ok, troicki was better imo. he seem to be holding his serve easily in the begining. i did not see when djoko got broken, so i cant comment waht happened. what i saw was when troicki was serving for the match. as everybody commented i thought he choked..to be honest i think it was not all troicki choking djoko was fighting too coz he did not give him a breather…no errors..solid shots, deep..troicki too tense, he made easy errors at this time.

second set was very good from djoko..solid. great serving..took his opportunities.

tomorrow is a complete different match. djoko and federer now know each other very well. they bring the best of each other. i always think their matches are a toss up!


mat4 Says:

Nole served worse than in his previous matches; not only the %, but serve speed as well. He was not so aggressive, too, but his strokes were good enough.

I don’t think that Troitzki choke while serving at 6:5, although he certainly choke in the tb. Nole played three excellent points, with an exceptionnal return (I think he didn’t believe the ball would land in the court), a good fh and finally a successfull drop shot. In the tb, VT missed an easy volley, among others. He had his chance until 5-4, then he just surrendered the set.


Kimmi Says:

“troicki was better imo. he seem to be holding his serve easily in the begining”

here a meant “troicki was serving better”…not troicki was better..ha-ha.


dimwitted recluse Says:

One point about the roddick/federer match. In the last game, Federer moved his feet with extraordinary rapidity to bring his forehand into play and gain the iniative in the rally to go up 15-30. I didn’t see Roddick coming back from that, it’s the sort of point which must dishearten the opponent. It’s worth mentioning this, imo, because Federer fans are always looking for evidence of that slowing down process, and physically, it doesn’t seem to be there. The problem, when it arises, is maintaining focus.

Until today, Roddick was 4-0 up against top ten players this year, the victims including Nadal. How anyone can not think he is one of the most dangerous players of any era is beyond me. Unless, perhaps, certain axes are being brought out to grind?

About Troicki choking yet again. A thought. One choke was against Nadal, the other two have been against the national hero – these are hardly typical circumstances. If Troicki gets second berth in the Davis Cup final – and he should do, he is much more dangerous than the experienced Tipsarevic – and if he wins his matches, that might prove his psychological coming of age (a bit like Verdasco when subbing for Nadal against the Argentinians). Once he’s made a major breakthrough like that, one can see him being steadier when serving out for the set.


dimwitted recluse Says:

Kimmi says:”they bring the best of each other. i always think their matches are a toss up!”

Well, I’m not sure about the first sentence. Sometimes, for long stretches, either plays quite badly against the other – nervous tension perhaps? Because the second sentence is definitely true.


Kimmi Says:

ATP site have a picture of federer with a caption “federer hold roddick’s number”. ah, that is not nice for roddick!


jane Says:

Thanks Kimmi and mat4 for your thoughts; I am mad I slept through it! Kimmi when you said “when troicki was serving for the match” I assume you meant serving for the set because from what I understand Nole broke Viktor fairly early in the second set and held on from there.

mat4 ” Nole played three excellent points, with an exceptionnal return” Not sure if you saw Nole’s match versus Nieminen but I thought he did well to fend off set points in that match – first on an excellent return and then I think it was a deep shot that Jarkko sent back long. So it’s those “under-pressure” points he’s been playing quite well. But I am a little concenred about his serve as it wasn’t great versus Haase, although his second serve seemed to have a little more bite in that match. Anyhow, we’ll see how he does tomorrow versus Fed, who looked solid today against Andy R, serving very well!


Kimmi Says:

dimwitted recluse – the 4-0 against top 10 opponents this year for roddick is very impressive. I cant remember the 4th top 10 but nadal, djoko and soderling are the 3 out of 4.

I also agree about federer vs djoko matches not always the best. just this year alone..toronto match was not a had a worst start from djoko, he picked it up later though but still they were breaking each other serves with ridiculos errors.

USO match..dont even go there. federer was awful in those between sets.

shanghai was a good match in the first set but seem to go away in the the second.

spot on dimwitted recluse. lets see what they can bring tomorrow.


jane Says:

Good point about Troicki via the Verdasco comparison, dimwitted recluse (grendel? :)) I think it is a similar situation; he just needs that big win to boost his confidence.


Kimmi Says:

“toronto match was not a had a worst start from djoko”

should be “toronto match had the worst start from djoko”


madmax Says:

some awesome discussions going on here tonight everyone –

Dave, your post, very analytical and had to read it twice! really enjoyed it – thanks!

Margot. Me too. Managed to get tickets for the SF’s on 27th November. Haven’t been before to see tennis there, but the 02 year before last went to see the Tutankhamen exhibition which was spell binding. It’s a massive place – 17,000 plus seater.

See you there margot!

Fed was definitely on form today – amazing grace. Good to see that roddick is fully recovered from his mono (reading his interview). He’s still a dangerous player and could upset anyone if they are not 100% focussed.


jane Says:

When is Simon’s match?


slope days Says:

Roger looked good against Andy. I thought he moved very well at times and his serving was good for the most part. And he seemed to be reading the Roddick serve quite well.

It didn’t look like Andy had much belief today. 20-2 is not really a good barometer for the difference in ability between the 2… most of their matches have been very close and very good with Roger just a little better. Still good tournament for Andy…

Roger should be able to give Djoko a good match. But you can never tell with Roger these days. Good wins and bad losses are quite evenly interspersed. But hopefully he wins.


mat4 Says:

@Jane: I watched Nole’s match against Nm. I saw another thing: Nole first serve was over 190 km/h, and he was quite agressive when serving, coming forward, volleying… He almost looked just like in 2008, and I think it is the kind of game he wants to play.


Huh Says:

Hopefully Fed will beat Novak tomoro.

BTW, Hi Mrs.Von!
Said you hi in another thread as well, that Roddick speakin about his week at Basel thread.


Huh Says:

pro rafa:

It’s not that Fed had no competition at his peak, it’s only that he was too good, no matter who says what about the so-called better competition of Nadal! Add to it, Fed’s momentum was destroyed for good after his mino thing as in that period, in 2008 beginning, he received some serious blows at the hands of both mono and the players, age also was aginst him n finally caught up, his form became much worse than what it used to be, that’s why the rose-coloured glass brigade started arguing that Fed has lesser competition in his peak. Hard as it may be for some to accept, nonetheless it’s the truth. Fed at his best can anyday destroy Murray n Djokovic, no wonder Nadal being closest to Fed in terms of completeness(=game+mental strength) beats them too. That doesn’t mean Fed had any weaker competition and even school children understand it!


Huh Says:

Not holdin high expectations for Fed in Paris masters as he hasd never done well there, though I would like it to change for good too.


Von Says:

Hi Huh: I said hi back to you on the other thread.

Roddick seemed almost lifeless today. He seemed to be in a mode of not really caring, especially after he gave back the break in the second set. His serve was indicative of someone being very tight.

I often wonder why Fed doesn’t have his off days vs. Roddick as he seems to have vs. the Djoker and some of the other players. sheesh, Why does it have to be Roddick?


Huh Says:

Dave wrote a good post, I agree sincerely.

However there was no need on the part of some to say unnecessary things against Nadal to stir the pot and which forced Nadal fans to react.


mat4 Says:

@Huh: You’re right: Fed was great at his peak. But, let’s be honnest – he didn’t have any competition either. And in 2007, when he was at his best, he wasn’t destroying neither Rafa, neither Djoko.


dimwitted recluse Says:

Kimmi, I can’t remember who’s the 4th either (I was picking up on a commentator’s remark). Was Berdych in top 10 when Roddick beat him? Can’t help feeling both the bird and the sod have shot their bolts. But the rod, when he’s singing, continues to be a threat, as he has been ever since he might so easily have beaten Hewitt in the quarters at the US (one shocking call in the 5th?)all those years ago. My impression is that the people who count – the players – fear Roddick more than anyone outside the top 3.
detective superintendant jane – i will neither deny nor confirm (will neither aid nor hinder as beckett told a would be biographer). D’you like the Marx Brothers? There was this elderly woman who was wanting to grease up a policeman (a lowly constable)because simply by his presence he was threatening to gum up the works,so she started detective superintendanting him all over the place. Worked, too. Duck Soup?


jane Says:

Simon lost the first set, interesting; wouldn’t've thunk it.

d.r., yes, of course I know and love the Marx Bros. Will take off my superintendanting hat now but don’t put your foot in it. Ain’t no spies here. :)


dimwitted recluse Says:

mat4:”Fed was great at his peak. But, let’s be honnest – he didn’t have any competition either. And in 2007, when he was at his best, he wasn’t destroying neither Rafa, neither Djoko.”

2nd sentence – true.
1st sentence – although fashionable in some quarters, untrue. Roddick was proper, top class competition – in any era, as we still see. And there have been plenty of other very great players none off whom were consistent but who on their day would have threatened ANY of the alltime greats. If there are enough of these type of players, you can count on at least one of them being a major hurdle to surmount. And this is what Federer did (or failed to do occasionally, as in his defeat by the great Safin).
This is forgotten.
It ought not to be forgotten.
The nature of truly difficult competition can come in many guises. Why deny it? The players don’t. For instance, they knew, Agassi knew, Sampras knew, and Pat Cash (as observer) was convinced that an injury free Philippoussis was a monumentally tough opponent at Wimbledon. But when Federer beats him in the final, it is dismissed as of barely any consequence. As if Federer was a lucky bunny. Sorry, not true. And the fact that Federer dealt with Philipoussis with such relative ease should be a cause for celebration – who else could have dismissed him like that? Instead, it is offered as evidence for the prosecution.
Odd.


margot Says:

dimwitted recluse aka grendel??? If that’s your new nom de plume -love it!
Meanwhile…come on Team Anjam!


Mindy Says:

Huh,

Thank you for standing up against the idiotic hatespeak that continues to permeate this site.

I am not going to listen to anyone who has to make their point via gratuitous and not very bright insults to Rafa fans. We have had more than enough of that here.

I did read Magnolia’s post and didn’t see anything particularly insightful. It’s just more of how great Fed is, how he can play so much and not get injured and Rafa doesn’t play as much and gets injured.

The bottom line is that Rafa won three grand slams in a row, the first man to do it since Laver in 1969 and the first to do it on all surfaces AND the career grand slam.

Let Dave, madmax and other miserable Fed fans just think about that. Now that’s facts for you! You can’t rewrite history! Too bad.


jane Says:

Simon, out. It will be an all-Spain-all-the-time Valencia final. Could Simon have been thinking of the hard courts of home? Anyhow, yes, go Anjam! Hope they get to the finals.


Kimmi Says:

ah simon is out. long live the lucky losers. Go lucky loser..go all the way tomorrow!


Kimmi Says:

ok, let me learn his name..cant keep calling him lucky loser.

marcel granollers

ah, he is from spain..could it be the new nadal


Bobby Says:

Every time Rafa haters try to tarnish him,he becomes even more stronger and successful.This is a proven trend.This is called Karma.Your ill wishes towards someone good returns to you earlier or later.So keep spitting venom.It is not going to effect Rafa.Wishing Rafa a speedy recovery to complete health by the time of WTF.


Kimmi Says:

my dady is bigger that your arguments. lol! can create a lot of tension i tell you.

I hope federer dady wins tomorrow..


jane Says:

Kimmi, Granollers has been around for a while; he turned pro in 2003, is 24 years old, and is ranked #67. :)


jane Says:

Anjam team is back on serve in set one.


jane Says:

margot they won the first set; looking good!


skeezerweezer Says:

Kimmi,

Hardly get to address you, sorry :(

But your 5:35 post was hilarious. tx :)


Von Says:

What’s a “dady”? If it’s daddy, then is Fed’s father playing tomorrow? Now that would make for a nice spectacle. LOL.


jane Says:

It is looking like the Murray bros will be in the final; hurrah! I have to run out, but I am going to make a hasty congrats as I would be surprised to see them lose now! Way to go A & J. Kilts for the ceremony please, win or lose – and bagpipes.


Kimmi Says:

skeezer – shamoooonnnn!

jane – thanks. i have not heard of him..i guess he hasnt been in the spotlight too many times..

go lucky loser.


Eric Says:

Mindy,

you write “The bottom line is that Rafa won three grand slams in a row, the first man to do it since Laver in 1969 and the first to do it on all surfaces AND the career grand slam.”

You do know that Federer has won 3 slams in a row twice, right? (Wimbledon-AO 2005-2006 and 2006-2007).

In fact, Federer has been three times a few games away from winning all four slams in the same year. So… Any argument about how great a player is that is based on grand slam performance will end ineluctably and incontrovertibly with the conclusion that Federer is the GOAT. Only if you include at least masters events is it even possible to coherently argue that someone else has a more convincing claim.


Ben Pronin Says:

Nadal’s the first guy since Laver to win 3 straight slams in one year.


Kimmi Says:

so, winning three straight slams in a year is a bigger achievement than winning 3 non consecutives? just asking? i think if nadal wins the AO next year, he will stand out imo. until then, lets just wait a little bit…my two cents.


contador Says:

big surprise today that granolla beat simon! did not see any matches : (

and btw, is any one else having trouble filling in the paris challenge bracket?

it’s next to impossible. bleacher report has their predictions out but i can’t trust the writer picking soderling to win!!

any thoughts people?


Kimmi Says:

contador – it worked for me. i did this morning. i am thinking of changing some of the picks but maybe not a good idea. a.t.m i have federer winning, just for fun…hope he gives me some significant points.


contador Says:

kimmi- i think the frenchies on the live stream chat like to tease….

i asked them mahut or gasquet and a bunch said mahut…hahahaha

then again, maybe they know something :/

right now i have federer losing to gasquet. not that i like it but..,,

normally i am not THIS suggestible but thinking of going with something similar to this:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/510760-atp-bnp-paribas-masters-draw-preview-and-analysis


contador Says:

Kimmi-

i meant i can’t fill it out coz i cant pick a winner.

if i go by who has played the best , i’d pick nole. but i’m guessing he’ll go deep but not win. though it depends on if he wins basel tomorrow….er, maybe.

murray? i tend to agree with bleacher writer about him. his mind could be blown thinking of london and the pressure there of doing well. then again, if i were murray, i’d say “oh well” to london and all the pressure and focus on paris!!

can’t quite pick soda to win though. what a mess!! would like to think monfils wins paris. he nearly did last year.


Kimmi Says:

that is a crazy one contador. it was almost like your fish winning the USO bracket.

last time taking nadal out early in shanghai seem to worke out for you. go for it if you are confident.

well, djoko is always a sure bet to go far, he has been hot this time of the year. murray can be a good pick too, he is done well in masters 1000.

i am afraid i am not buying soda all the way..he couldnt even beat ferrer today..sorry soda.
not sure about nalbandian either..not consistent enough i am afraid..


skeezerweezer Says:

They were 3 consecutive for Fed ( 2004 AO, 2005 Wimby USO, and same for 2006/7 run ) but not in the same calendar year…..splitting hairs me thinks….

contador,

See that pic of Sod in the link you posted? ‘member Jack Nicholson in “The Shining?” LMAO.


Kimmi Says:

mahut vs gasquet…hmmm! tough one. gasquet is the better player but if mahut serve is clicking (the marathon man serve can be dangerous)who knows.

I have gasquet playing the fed next. last year federer got frenchman too, remember what happened…hmm, i think i am starting to have a bad feeling.


Kimmi Says:

roddick got tipsarevic in the first round. aaaah not a good match up for roddick..

i want roddick to win this one..c’mon roddick..i have him going a little far.


contador Says:

yeah. and look how many people aren’t doing the bracket challenge. half as many as were for the spring masters. i guess most give up this time of year. but it’s a game and next year kimmi-i’m starting at the beginning!

the other disadvantage is not knowing who the qualifiers are again due to time zone trouble. the early round points don’t count for much but as we’ve seen, sometimes a qualifier can do dammage!

niemenen
marchenko
fognini
roger-vasselin
becker
russell
ouanna
giraldo

if the above win round 2 qualifying a few could win a main draw first round – even get a 2nd round win. depends where they are slotted again.

look at qualifier granolla. he’s in the valencia final!


contador Says:

skeeze-

that is death metal freak JARKKO! shamooon!

wild and crazy guys here too!
http://img602.imageshack.us/img602/4063/426939051327b374bc13o.gif


Kimmi Says:

i know, granollier and that other guy in vienna (what was his name?)..i havent seen this kind of thing happening in the master series level though..


skeezerweezer Says:

Yeah gotta think Roddick can hardly wait to get a shot at Tipsy again, no?

I wish they would give us a pass at the Qualifiers, my two scents, I cannot research them all, not enough time….

I am picking Gas, but if they change the rules and get rid of the 3rd set tie breaker I would go for Mahut all the way! :D


dimwitted recluse Says:

Skeezerweezer:

“They were 3 consecutive for Fed ( 2004 AO, 2005 Wimby USO, and same for 2006/7 run ) but not in the same calendar year…..splitting hairs me thinks….” If you follow this line of thought, then you have to admit that Nadal winning the AO 2011, thereby engendering a Rafaslam – they used to talk about a Martina slam, didn’t they – is just as impressive as winning all 4 same calendar year.

It is possible, even reasonable, to maintain this. But in actual point of fact, does anyone really believe it? Really, I mean?


Kimmi Says:

ha-ha contador. crazy clip


contador Says:

Kimmi

it was andreas haider-mauer or AHM in vienna and i wont be forgetting him! neither will i forget kukushkin but their wins could be flukes. however, the kazakhstani actually won an atp tournament!

and youzhny should have won st petersburg but he had a virus. the health of melzer, youzhny and kohls is in question. though youz and melzer have reason (maybe) to be motivated to go deep in paris. verdasco has reason too but i don’t believe he can go deep. (now watch him win cos i am not picking him this time)


skeezerweezer Says:

dimwitted recluse ( AKA grendel? ) :-)

It is quite a feat regardless, for both. IMO 3 in a row shows the most mettle, as would 4,5,6 in a row. Ponder for a moment the feat to accomplish this? Consistency at the highest level comes to mind. But then I am reminded of Graff who won what is now dubbed as “the Golden Slam”. 4 consecutive GS titles within a calendar year, PLUS an Olympic gold within that same year. WOW.

Rafa has the best chance to make it 4 in a row, right now, and it may never happen again in our generation. I am sure that will be a historic feat no one can deny. But as it stands now, Fed still stands alone in this era, doing that feat twice. Rafa has done it within the calendar year, but like I said, what matters? It would be a feat he would stand alone, and IMO I think he and his team are planning that very thing. Why not?

One thing is for sure, we are watching history in the next year or two imo wherever the tide turns.


contador Says:

can gulbis win a match? puleeeeeeeeeeze….

picking him to beat chela against better judgement.

and monaco or querrey??

where is kimberly? who is kaiser picking to win paris?


contador Says:

sleezer-

i know the qualifiers but it is impossible to know which ones win tomorrow and where they land in the draw.

usually i pick an unkown qualifer or 2, sometimes 3, depending on how weak a main draw 1st round opponent is.

but this time it is THE HARDEST to know who will go deep. i have murray atm winning.


contador Says:

for example, i’ll be surprised if jarkko niemenen does not win his match against giquel tomorrow. but we don’t have the advantage of knowing the result or against whom in the main draw qualie winner will be placed. bracket challenge in our time zones will be closed.

but gotta make room for jarkko to win, i say. or if not him, someone like marchenko, or maybe a french favorite like ouanna or roger-vaselin. becker has played well lately too.


contador Says:

oops…… meant “skeezer” not “sleezer” lolzzz

i’m out!


skeezerweezer Says:

Sleezer? LMAO.

I thought you cashed in on “wild thing”?


Kimberly Says:

I actually picked Ernie to win one match.

I just went through andntried to spice up my picks with some upsets, a surefire way to lose.


dimwitted recluse Says:

Dimitrov lost in the first round to the Serbian Bozoljiac [4-6,6-7(4)] – having lost to him on the other two occasions he played him as well. Still, Bozoljiac’s dangerous – as Federer can testify – and you can’t win them all. I think Dimitrov is now #112 – which should just be enough to scrape in to the AO? How many places do they reserve for wild cards etc? Of course, he may climb a few places before Jan – or drop. He’s next due to play the American Rajeev Ram, a solid player.

The last player whose progress through the Challengers I watched with interest was Murray. In retrospect, I find you can go a bit overboard in interpreting results, when you are following a very young player who looks as if he’s about to make his mark. Losses become hugely magnified. That’s because (in my mind) we (the observers, enthusiasts etc) are playing a sort of fantasy game in which no account is taken of human foible. It becomes quite annoying, when, for example, you learn Dimitrov had 12 dfaults, had 5 chances to win a set and so on. What could he have been thinking of? Wasn’t he aware of the fact that I – yes, me – had pencilled him in for a win? How dare he let me down like this. Damned irresponsible. Of course, wins are always routine – nothing special really, just another nice tick in the box – whilst losses simply defy analysis…


Kimberly Says:

Challenge.atpworldtour.com. Come on tennis Xers. Join the tennis x fan group talk smack and track picks. It’s so much fun.

Meanwhile, troickis choke can’t even begin to match the miss of a game winning field goal by fsu in the eleventh hour. Brutal. I am in sour spirits. Between the Miami heat losing, fsu losing, nadal withdrawing, this has not been my weekend. I’m not even going to bother turning on the dolphins game tomorrow. I was mildly pleased to see ferrer win as he seems like a hard worker. As a grinder myself on the courtni have always liked him.


Kimberly Says:

On another note it’s in the sixties here and I ran for two hours on the court barely break g a sweat, used to one hundred plus degrees. Really annoyed my husband who takes sick pleasure in sending me into novak like breathing. He finally started hitting winners to break my spirit.

Right now I have Murray losing to monfils and Novak fed on the final. Thinking novakl, fed and ferrer may be a little weary. No mention of grannolers I don’t think he’s even playing as je is missing the qua lies right now.


contador Says:

who is kaiser picking kimberly? ( for the final)

or does he tell you? ; )


contador Says:

sorry about your favorites, kimberly.

but you predicted rafa would pull out of something. this is not too surprising. i bet he’s pacing himself, complying with serious injury prevention. i think he wins london.


Kimberly Says:

Kaiser picked Murray to win the tourney. I watched him do his picks and then actually changed some of mine as I felt our draws were to much alike.


contador Says:

dimiwit recluse-

interesting post.

i was hoping in my wildest dreams for dimitrov to win eckental and every challenger from now until AO!! then go on to go shockingly deep in atp tournaments, win a 250, maybe a 500.

all fantasy, for sure. but first things first. beat ram and a win a rematch after that with bozoljac in another challenger.

i have no idea about him getting into AO realistically and don’t they lean toward giving out wild cards to the local talent? i don’t know.


contador Says:

ha! i picked murray too…..

LOL…you and kaiser sound like a fun couple…never a dull moment!

and i do have gulbis beating chela but i’m still switching some around in the early rounds.

who do you think wins querrey or monaco?


Mindy Says:

Eric,

You do know what happened this year, don’t you? Or have you been hiding in a cave? Well, let’s clarify it, if we must.

Rafa is the first player to win RG, Wimbledon and the USO consecutively in the same year since Laver in 1969!

Good grief! Must someone here always trot out Fed’s resume every time in response to something Rafa did? This is one thing that Fed has NOT done, so too bad for you.

Just once it would be nice to let Rafa’s achievements stand on their own without in some way having to be demeaned or qualified by something Fed has done.


Mindy Says:

Ben,

My apologies. I did not see your clarification. Thanks so much. I appreciate it.


Kimberly Says:

Querrey but not feeling great about it. He hasn’t been exactly lighting it up and Monaco has been okaying some decent matches. If it were clay I’d pick Monaco in a minute. But queries so tall with a big serve so I picked him.


Kimberly Says:

Hi Mindy, I’m sad about rafa’s withdrawal for selfish reasons that I love watching him but happy if it’s the long term good decision for his career goals.


skeezerweezer Says:

Mindy says,

“Good grief! Must someone here always trot out Fed’s resume every time in response to something Rafa did?”

Uh…Fed? GOAT? Yeah! Then…NOT!

That’s all good, but that is NOT what you said in your first post, let’s keep it real…by saying “it”, your ditzing Fed’s accomplishments, like Rafa owns it……just sayin….and that is why Eric pointed it out…let’s review;

“The bottom line is that Rafa won three grand slams in a row, the first man to do it since Laver in 1969 and the first to do it on all surfaces AND the career grand slam.”

Now I know what you meant to say, “Rafa was the first to accomplish 3 consecutive slams in a calendar year since Laver”, but others bring up a great point as so “others” (like er oh…bad word…Fed ) who have won 3 slams in a row TWICE it is not an equal accomplishment or greater, or does “within the same year matter make it extra special?”

Yes it is a wonderful accomplishment but when it praised you have to bring in the others accomplishments, to compare, to make it relevant, no? Maybe I am wrong, but I kinda like my arrogant stand on the matter :) ha!

Now, IF Rafa was to win the AO 2011 coming up THAT would be friggin historical all time as of now….and he is close. Like I said earlier if your a Rafa fan, you gotta like the plan of lying low the remaining year and go all out for the assault on AO

just sayin……


Von Says:

skeezer: “I wish they would give us a pass at the Qualifiers, *my two scents* [emphasis added], I cannot research them all, not enough time….”

My two scents??? Just who have you been sniffing at? I hope you found the correct *scent* and/or aroma. LOOL


Eric Says:

Mindy, if all you had been doing was praising Nadal, I wouldn’t have bothered making the correction. As Skeezer and Ben said, minor semantic point. But that was not what you were doing at all. Let’s continue quoting your original post.

“I did read Magnolia’s post and didn’t see anything particularly insightful. It’s just more of how great Fed is, how he can play so much and not get injured and Rafa doesn’t play as much and gets injured…. Let Dave, madmax and other miserable Fed fans just think about that. Now that’s facts for you! You can’t rewrite history! Too bad.” So it seems that you are the one who ” trot[ted] out Fed’s resume.”


Fedend Says:

Eric,
You just got to look at the first comment to know who brought up Federer here.


Fedend Says:

FEDTARDS,
For all his records Federer has never ever reached the domination level of Rafa on ALL SURFACES.
Even during his absolutely best years between 2004 to 2007 he was always second best to the teenage Rafa on clay.
But Rafa at his best is THE BEST on ALL SURFACES.


Fedend Says:

FEDTARDS,
Rafa’s hatrick of slams is any day better than Federer’s hatrick because of the fact that Rafa did it on all three surfaces. But Federer could cover only hard and grass.
There lies the difference, not because of within the calendar year or outside the calendar, thats immaterial.
Rafa’s hatrick is the first and best of its kind simply because NONE (I repeat NONE) before him could win three consecutive slams on three different surfaces.
But long before Federer’s hatrick, Laver and Samprass performed the hatrick on two different surfaces.


jojostruys Says:

Let me play Madmax and skeezerweezer’s game;

Fedend, Nice read. Nice post. your post, very analytical and had to read it twice! really enjoyed it – thanks! :)

LOL!


dimwitted recluse Says:

“But Rafa at his best is THE BEST on ALL SURFACES” That may turn out to be true eventually, but simply on the basis of beating Djokovic in a great display at the US it is, to say the least, premature to say he is the best on fast hard. Murray, Federer, a fit del Potro, Djokovic himself, are certainly Nadal’s equals on fast hard, if not more. One match doth not a summer make.

If Laver didn’t win on 3 different surfaces (is that the case?) then obviously that is because there weren’t 3 different surfaces to win on. Historical comparisons CAN be quite meaningless.

Easy does it, easy does it. No conclusions yet, apart form the fact that Nadal is a very great player. THAT, we do know. Attributions of all embracing uniqueness, however, are not yet warranted.


Mindy Says:

Kimberly,

I had to wade through all these latest comments to see yours!

Of course, I agree with you about Rafa pulling out of Paris. I obviously wanted to see him play, however I also want him to do what is best. He doesn’t need it. After being so concerned about the Asian swing, it’s nice to see him taking care of himself.

There are some interesting thoughts about Rafa pulling out on the Rafa fan forums. I don’t know if you ever go there to check out some of the chatter. I don’t think the shoulder thing is a big deal. It sounds kind of precautionary.

There seem to be two schools of thought – the one that says Rafa will skip the WTF and just get ready for the new year and the AO, and the second group that thinks that Rafa wants to work on his preparation for WTF.

We will have to wait and see. You and I both know what is on our wish list and we haven’t been coy about it! :)

Skeezer,

Please, can we just let this go now! I honestly have no desire to continue to parse words and play with semantics. Yes, I did point out that Fed has not done what Rafa did, namely equaling Laver’s feat in 1969. The fact that he has won three majors in a row is accurate, so I guess Fed fans must be sticklers and not get the point of what I was saying.

I have to say that it was awfully generous of you to allow that if Rafa can win the 2011 AO, then that would be a really historic feat. Yes, it would as a matter of fact. Maybe if Rafa does it, then there will be no qualifierd or some Fed fan trying to diminish it, but I am not counting on it.

My point was that every time anyone tries to state what Rafa has accomplished, there has to be a qualifier or a caveat to the effect that Fed has done this or that or whatever. I am more than aware of Fed’s considerable achievements and have acknowledged it a number of times. I don’t know how else I could possibly make that any clearer.


Mindy Says:

Sorry, I meant to say QUALIFIERS in the second paragraph.


Skeezerweezer Says:

jojostruys,

LMAO


Skeezerweezer Says:

Mindy,

I let it go along time ago :)


Kimberly Says:

Mindy–I hope its 2011!!!! But I will miss him. The tournaments lose their sparkle without him.


Mindy Says:

Kimberly,

Tell me about it! I am in Rafa withdrawal and it’s not fun! :)


Kimberly Says:

HE says he is going to play the YEC at his press conference. I hope he wins it!

The shoulder thing does sound quite precautionary and not serious.


Vulcan Says:

Fedend Says:

Rafa’s hatrick is the first and best of its kind simply because NONE (I repeat NONE) before him could win three consecutive slams on three different surfaces.
But long before Federer’s hatrick, Laver and Samprass performed the hatrick on two different surfaces.

That is correct…people talk about how great Laver was for winning the calendar slam and cite him as the original GOAT but fail to mention that he only did it on two surfaces…grass and clay.
Nadal’s achievement is why the GOAT discussion is heating up and if Nadal does somehow win a Calendar slam Federer’s GOAT status is going to be in serious jeopardy.

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