WTA Tour Announces Dubai Tournament Penalty
by Staff | February 20th, 2009, 5:11 pm


ST PETERSBURG, FLORIDA, USA — Following a special meeting of the Sony Ericsson WTA Tour Board conducted earlier today in connection with the decision by the United Arab Emirates (UAE) this past week to deny the visa application of Israeli Tour player Shahar Peer, the Sony Ericsson WTA Tour announced that effective immediately it is taking the actions described below.
Commenting on today’s actions, Larry Scott, Chairman & CEO of the Sony Ericsson WTA Tour stated: “The actions taken today are intended to redress the wrongs suffered by Shahar Peer, who was victimized by an unjust policy of discrimination by the UAE. These actions are also intended to send a clear message that our Tour will not tolerate discrimination of any kind and that we will never allow this situation to happen again, in UAE or elsewhere. Thanks to the courage of Shahar, and all those individuals and organizations — including her fellow players — that supported her, the UAE has changed their policy and another barrier of discrimination has fallen.”

Sony Ericsson WTA Tour Actions in re Shahar Peer, Anna Lena Groenefeld and Dubai Tournament:

Shahar Peer Ranking Points — The awarding of 130 ranking points to Shahar Peer — an amount equal to the points that she earned during the same week in 2008 (week of Memphis) that she was unable to defend this past week in Dubai as a result of the denial of her entry visa by UAE. Such points will remain on Ms. Peer’s ranking until such time as she has had an opportunity to earn equivalent points at the next tournament offering ranking points equal to the Dubai tournament.

Shahar Peer Prize Money — The awarding of US$44,250 to Shahar Peer — an amount equal to the average prize money that she earned per tournament (singles and doubles) in 2008, grossed up to take account for the increased prize money on offer at 2009 tournaments.

Anna Lena Groenefeld Prize Money — The awarding of US$7,950 to Anna Lena Groenefeld, who was to be Shahar Peer’s doubles partner in Dubai and who was unable to compete in doubles with Ms. Peer as a result of the denial of Ms. Peer’s entry visa by UAE. This amount is equal to the average prize money that she earned per tournament in doubles in 2008, grossed up to take account for the increased prize money on offer at 2009 tournaments.

Dubai Tennis Championships Financial Penalty — The fining of the Dubai tournament US$300,000 for breach of Tour Rules, By-Laws and conditions of membership related to the denial of entry to Shahar Peer. This fine amount represents the highest fine ever levied against a Tour member. Proceeds from the fine shall be used to compensate each of Ms. Peer and Ms. Groenefeld, with the balance to be donated to a charity or charities, to be determined by the Tour in consultation with Ms. Peer.

Dubai Tennis Championships Financial Performance Guarantee — The posting by the Dubai tournament of a US$2 million financial performance guarantee by July 1, 2009 that the conditions described below will be satisfied.

Dubai Tennis Championships Conditions for Continued Membership — The establishment of a series of conditions to be met by the Dubai tournament in order to maintain its membership and be included on the Tour’s 2010 calendar, including: (i) confirmation of the written assurances already received that all players who qualify for the tournament shall, regardless of nationality, or any other reason, be allowed to play in the Dubai event and shall be issued entry visas or permits, (ii) proof of approved UAE entry permit to enter the UAE for any Israeli player a minimum of eight (8) weeks prior to the start of the 2010 Dubai tournament, and (iii) guarantee that Ms. Peer shall be offered a wildcard to play the Dubai tournament in 2010 in the event that she does not qualify by ranking.

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77 Comments for WTA Tour Announces Dubai Tournament Penalty

Shan Says:

Not enough. Should downgrade the tourney.

Henry Says:

The WTA knew months ago there was a serious possibility of Shahar Peer not getting a visa. Are we to believe no bells were ringing when the day before the draw there was still no visa news. So, really all this is too little and too late…

The WTA and its star players could have laid out ground rules against discrimination and in suport of Peer PRIOR to the start of this tournament and/or be prepared the day before the draw.

The WTA is insulting our intelligence by suggesting when they got the news it was too late to do anything as players were there already or on their way….

McEnroe would say: “Are you serious…?!”

tennisontherocks Says:

$300,000 is loose change for the event showering millions in appearance fees. But I guess thats the standard amount in WTA by-laws.

Ideally, want the event to be relocated to Tel Aviv for the next year and have Dubai pay for it.

Von Says:


did your link freeze up? Yopu can watch Roddick/Querrey on


jane Says:

Thanks again Von; I’ll try justin.tv. Can’t believe they’ve leveled it at a set a piece.

Von Says:


I enjoyed the Roddick/Querrey match. I was so nervous at times I couldn’t watch. Roddick did quite a bit of running and was able to keep the ball in play, while keeping his UEs to a minimum. Sam has improved quite a lot and he is much more fitter and stronger. I hope he can continue to grow from strength to strength simultaneously giving American tennis the boost it desperately needs.

I think Sam would be a good choice for Davis Cup this year.

Von Says:


I enjoyed the Roddick/Querrey match. I was so nervous at times I couldn’t watch. Roddick did quite a bit of running and was able to keep the ball in play, while keeping his UEs to a minimum. Sam has improved quite a lot and he is much more fitter and stronger. I hope he can continue to grow from strength to strength simultaneously giving American tennis the boost it desperately needs.

I think Sam would be a good choice for Davis Cup this year.

Hewitt/Rochus match is now playing.

margot Says:

The statement from the WTA was quite strong, but as has been said, the fine is paltry! The WTA needs to make sure, b4 a tournament starts that all players will be allowed to play. That being said, I’ve read the Swedish TA is thinking of banning spectators from the Davis cup because of fear of demos. Would that effect their revenue, or do Davis Cup events get funding elsewhere?

Mary Says:

Defending champ Roddick to boycott Dubai
Star upset Israeli not allowed visa, will face Hewitt in Memphis semifinal

I looked but did not see this posted.

Von Says:

Good for Roddick! Thus far, he’s the only male player that has publicly spoken out and taken action against Dubai with respect to their prejudicial treatment of Shahar Peer.

tenisbebe Says:

Yes Ricky Dimon from tennisnews cornered him in Memphis to get a definitive answer to the rumor. As you know, this was floating around for a couple of days now (haven’t seen anything confirmed about Hot Sauce pulling out too). I am very proud of Roddick for taking this stand as he is the DEFENDING CHAMPION as is walking away from the potential points (very precious) and prize money. (please – no comments about how he can afford it). Kudos to Andy!

jane Says:

Yes – this is a very interesting move by Roddick, especially given that he is defending champion, and he has no injuries or other reasons to withdraw. He is taking a stand. Good for him.

Gordo Says:

Roddick – Bravo!

This is what – the third year this has happened with Israeli players not playing in the UAE, only the past 2 years the players’ rankings have been lower so it was not as noticeable, and there was a bit of backroom dealing with some players who conveniently decided to skip the tourney.

Really – next year if there is a hint of this happening downgrade the tournament severely, or better yet, remove it from the tour and the UAE can replace it with a popular middle east sport that for some reason has not caught on in the US, Canada, Australia or Europe – Buzkashi, which is the national sport of Afghanistan and has an international federation consisting of 11 nations, including the UAE (and somehow Japan has caught on to the sport!!!). If you have not heard of it –

A headless carcass of calf or goat is kept in the center of a field. Players of two opposing teams on horseback try to get hold of the carcass and carry it to the goal area. This is not a simple task and requires great skills. Novice players cannot even get close to the carcass. The game continues until a team is announced the winner. Winner of the match receives prizes ranging from money, fine turbans and clothes.

What a world, huh?

heninN1 Says:

Well, as the tournament director of Dubai recently mentioned, the event has nothing to do with visas. I really don’t know how people can relate the issuing of visas with a tourney. They just request the visas for qualified players and it’s up to the people who’re responsable of immigration to accept it or not. At the end it’s up to the government of a country and it’s called international relations… It’s clear that most of the countries in this region has very low ties with Israel and they don’t let israelis in, so, that’s a long and well known fact and it’s a reality in international relations… If you have such rules as WTA or ATP do, and you don’t want to experience that kind of problems, then, you should not grant permission to establish a tournament in these countries in the first place. Now, they’re just being ridicilous to fine the tourny with this 300.000 $, cos, basically they’re just sanctionning UAE. UAE is a country, recognized by others, a sovereign state and, there is no supreme power above the states in the scene of international relations. So, WTA, being basically an international assosiation of sports, is overstepping its limits.

I think this case will end up in International Court of Justice.

Henry Says:

To HeninN1

If you have the time, please read MMT’s and my (Henry)’s posts on the tennis-x thread: ” Tennis’ Outrage over Dubai”. You will then realize the tournament director is trying to hide the real facts, but doesn’t realize most people are on to them.

The tournament is run and owned by DDF (Dubai Duty Free). DDF is a subsidiary of the department of civil aviation, a government body. DDF in turn is owned by the Al Maktoum family dynasty who also happen to run the department of civil aviation, the airports, the national airline and Dubai. Dubai is an independent state. It’s one of the 7 independent states that comprise the UAE (United Arab Emirates). The most prominent member of the Al Maktoum family is the prime minister of the UAE and Vice President of the UAE. In other words the tournament is ‘double’ government owned, government run and can basically decide who gets into the country and who doesn’t. So, DDF and the tournament are very much part of the visa issuing process when it comes to players like Shahar Peer.

On top of this, the tournament director, Mr. McLoughlin is stating something totally in contrast to earlier official statements. Prior to this one the tournament and officials came with some BS security threat reasons and clearly mentioned “they were worried about the tournament’s and players safety” and, therefore, decided not to issue a visa to Peer. This, we all know was just a quick and lame fabricated excuse to safe some face, but it does confirm DDF and the tournament were very much part of the decision not to issue the visa for Peer.

Hope this will clarify some things for you. I promise you this will not end up in any court. If Dubai would really decide to appeal the 300.000 fine, they will lose the very last and tiny bit of credibility that’s left. Shame on them and shame on the WTA and its players for not standing behind their colleague player. They could have forced DDF to allow her into the tournament with a boycot threat PRIOR to the tournament and would have obtained the same result the ATP got for Andy Ram.

Von Says:


“Shame on them and shame on the WTA and its players for not standing behind their colleague player. They could have forced DDF to allow her into the tournament with a boycot threat PRIOR to the tournament and would have obtained the same result the ATP got for Andy Ram.”

I stay out of politics and religious discussions. This is a one-time for me. I do agree however, that it’s a shame the WTA players did not show some sort of solidarity for Peer. The stupid excuses from Venus Williams and Ivanovic were enough to demonstrate what sort of mentality we’re dealing with where the players are concerned. It’s incidents such as this, that opens our eyes as to the hypocrisy of this world. I’m stunned!

I’m a Roddick fan, who is not favored on these threads by a majority, but it’s his love and compassion for humanity that makes me more and more proud to be a fan. I really don’t care for the respectful and the saintly types, which is all political correctness to me from my coign of vantage, people will say and act in public in ways they know people like. Give me the nuts and bolts type who rise to the occasion to fight for what’s right and just.

Henry Says:


I love Roddick for standing up for Shahar Peer and for showing “the balls” that the WTA players lack (for obvious reasons…LOL), but there’s absolutely no excuse for the male management hat runs the WTA. They showed zero balls and I lost a lot of respect for their total lack of negotiation skills and their AFTER the fact reactions.

Like you, I am truly disappointed and stunned by the girls of the WTA. Just hollow words, no action. And then the WTA has the guts to try and claim some of the honor for the visa of Andy Ram. Unbelievable, they did absolutely nothing. You should read some of the statements by the WTA after Ram got his visa… as if they suddenly were the ATP…

I don’t think the majority on these threads doesn’t favor Roddick. They should have no reason to dislike him. It’s probably more a reaction because some like to ‘get back’ at you for the times you make it too obvious you don’t like Nadal or other players. And I must admit that in some posts you are not very fair in your judgement of Nadal (f. ex your anti-Nadal injuries and/or the doping posts). It’s obvious you have a very qualified opinion on a number of tennis matters and you have shown you really research your stuff. For example I very much enjoyed your almost essay like excellent pieces on tendinitis/knee injuries etc. Therefore, I am suprised you engage in Nadal bashing, in stead of researching the person/the kid behind the player Nadal. You will find out that he is a really nice kid who, despite the fame and many millions, still lives at home in the same small room that he still needs to clean for his mom. His girl-friend is studying and they both prefer her to stay at home to tend to here studies instead of traveling with him. He still has the same friends he had in kindergarten etc. There is really very little not to like about him. The same goes for Roddick and many of the other players. If you don’t jump on obvious and biased fan statements by others, or when others try to provoke you, you’ll probably see a changing attitude towards ‘your’ Andy too.

heninN1 Says:


Let’s assume you’re right about, theoretically behind the curtains, it’s same people who run the tournament and who run the country ( And that’s definetly true in my eyes that you’re right). But, can you prove that tournament guys have a say about who’s entering to the country and who’s not? “On the paper”, this is just a tournament, they have the tournie director, they have their staff and everything. So, how can you sanction a tournament about a visa problem? You can give them a warning about the issue, like, if they can not give the guarentee to sort it out with the national government and get an official statement from the related office that says ” any player who is qualified for the tournament will definetely be granted a visa to play irrelevant of his/her ethnicity,country, religion etc.” You may set a deadline, like a month or two… If they can put it on the desk, fine. If not, delete them from the next year’s calendar and move on.That would be appropriate. But what’s this fine now? When they sue WTA with this assertion, like, what’s for a tournement about visas and diplomatic issues, then, i think they’ll be off the hook anyways…

You can not sanction a tournie for visas…
as i said in the previous post, WTA, by doing this, is trying to sanction a country, about their policy of acceptance of the foreigners in their land. And this thing is beyond WTA, an association can not sanction a country with money. They have their rules, they have their own regulations and they have to penalise around em.

*They shouldn’t have given them the tournament

*Now, they have to ask for a guarantee for visas for the future, a strict guarantee.

these are the only sanctions that WTA can or could use against a country.

heninN1 Says:

As you can see, there’re 2 issues here;

* WTA can not sanction a tournament for visas, they have to adress to the related country.

* WTA can not sanction a country with money, that’s beyond them

Polo Says:


You must be beaming proudly for your man Roddick and rightfully so. He showed character for standing up for a fellow tennis player. I believe he is the only one who has done so. In the end, it is your character which will make you stand out over the rest and the one that really counts. Everybody else can lay claim to that mythical GOAT, but Roddick is the MAN.

Von Says:


Thank you for your honest post.

I’m afraid you’ll be a little disappointed were you to know the history behind my “anti-Nadal” posts, which aren’t anti at all, but more like speaking up on what I perceive to be unbecoming conduct pertaining to the rules, etc.

I used to be very fair and effusive toward him in my posts, and boy was it gobbled up by a very voracious ‘Nadal” fan. However, I soon realized it was one-sided. The Nadal fan was very effusive criticizing Roddick and all of the American players, because there seems to be a ‘country’ bias by this person towards Americans, and this angered me. Further, I realized this person didn’t see anything worthwhile with regard to the majority of the other players (98%), save Nadal, so I decided to play the same game. Tit for tat and wow, that didn’t go over well at all. Hence, I’m now labeled as an “anti-Nadal’ basher. That’s OK with me, because I happen to know the truth how as to how it all began and why. This other person knows the truth also, but has deemed it fit to distort the facts.

You see Henry, there’s a little problem here, there are many, more Nadal fans, viz. 10-2, than Roddick fans, so naturally, I’ll be blasted, and earn a reputation as an “anti-Nadal’ poster. There are only a handful of Roddick fans and/or American fans, but they don’t post very often, so it seems that I’m sort of solo in this regard. There are several threads which could prove my point, but I’m not going to get into that scenario again.

I joined in the drugs topic due to my hands-on, in-depth knowledge on the subject, but I can say very truthfully, never once did I state that Nadal is on drugs. I’ve also spoken up about his time violations and coaching from his box, his disrespect for his opponent and the umpire at the net, etc., which is also very true. I doubt anyone can dispute that Nadal is not overly unreasonable with respect to his time violations.

I honestly don’t feel I bash Nadal, but that I speak up loudly regarding his many, persistent and flagrant disregard for the rules, and his opponents. I absolutely abhor his repeated fist pumping when he wins a point and the lawn-mower type stuff he engages in — it’s insulting to his opponent. How could a seemingly “nice” person engage in such crude displays of celebration, is beyond my understanding. Lleyton Hewitt did this to a large extent and many found it insufferable, but to my amazement, those very posters don’t mind it when it’s Nadal who’s doing it. How so?

“If you don’t jump on obvious and biased fan statements by others, or when others try to provoke you, you’ll probably see a changing attitude towards ‘your’ Andy too.”

I’ll give this a try, and I’ll leave you in charge of my evaluation report, but you need to keep an open mind as to what’s biased and what’s the truth.

Henry, thanks for your feedback and your compliments — It’s appreciated.

Von Says:


Thank you, many times over.

I’m so proud of my little guy. He has proved me correct that there’s more to him beyond the brash kid (which I also like) who’s got the guts to argue when he feels he’s gotten a bad call from an umpire, that there’s more depth to him than a lot of the players. He wasn’t thinking of his wallet or his ranking, when he decided to speak out and take action on the Dubai scenario, he thought of a fellow player. And, that speaks volumes.

Now, come on Rover, move your bloomin’ arse, and sock it to “the worm”.

Von Says:

I should have asked — Anyone interested in the ATP screensaver?

The above link will take you through the installation process.

Henry Says:

Hi again heninN1,

ah I see what you’re saying. You’re looking at it from a totally legal point of view and how the tourney could possibly defend their position and where the WTA is going wrong.

From my side, I was merely pointing out that the tourney would have had no problem in making sure Shahar Peer got a visa due to the government relation…and that the tourney was heavily involved in not granting Peer the visa, which becomes even more clear after their obvious, silly and conflicting statements. I’m pretty sure the WTA sanctioned the tourney with the obligation to make sure all qualified players would enter the draw. That makes it the tournament’s job to make sure about the visa. But you’re absolutely right (and I stated that in earlier posts) in that the WTA should have known beforehand about the possible problems. Any idiot with just the slightest bit of knowledge about the region knows no entry is permitted to Israeli citizens. They should have demanded hard guarantees BEFORE the tournament and not act surprised on the day of the draw and then wait a whole week to come up with a sanction/fine because they now feel they suddenly have to show their ‘thoughness’. All this obviously because they were criticised for their abundance in words, their lack of action, lack of pro-activeness and their total lack of anticipation and foresight.

Basically we’re talking about the same, but I don’t think DDF will take it to court:
**They saved millions of dollars of sign-on money by Nadal, Federer and Roddick not showing up.
**The revenue of their duty free operation is over one billion dollars
**and then there’s Barclays Bank,
so a 300,000 fine is peanuts for them. Especially in light of how badly they want and need high profile events for Dubai’s image sake. Even more so now after that image has been seriously dented over the last week.

Henry Says:

Hey Von,

Really appreciate the lengthy explanation.

With regard to what you dislike about the ‘on-court’ Nadal, you are right that we all have different thresholds depending on which player(s) or playing style appeals to us most. We, therefore, tend to criticize one player and are blind to similar traits in ‘our own’ player(s).

You should try and find and read an article by renowned Jim Loehr about Nadal (‘Love the Battle: Nadal’) in which he compares him with the best Hollywood actors. He calls Nadal the perfect tennis actor as he changes/transforms completely when he enters the court. He starts radiating mental invincibility. His own mother doesn’t come to his matches as she can’t get over the metamorphosis of the nice, humble and polite kid off the court to the competitive ‘beast’ on court. According to Loehr that’s why he wins so many matches. Like an actor can produce tears at the right moments he produces the right mind set at the right moments and thinks of himself as invincible (in the positive sense). I respectfully disagree with you in that he has no regard for his opponents. He is courteous and humble and shows class both in victory and defeat always giving full credit to his opponents. Rafa and Andy are both totally different, but I love them both. Roddick for his quick wit and self-depreciating style. Never a dull moment during interviews/press conferences. And now with his Dubai approach Andy truly is the man of the moment. I hope (also for you) that he will lift the trophy tomorrow and tennis fans will show their appreciation for his solo boycott.

grendel Says:


The article you instance sounds intriguing. I’ve tried googling, but you only get posts and what not. Can you provide a reference to the actual article?

If what you say, following Loehr, is correct – then certainly I for one will be obliged to rethink. I don’t mean about how Nadal plays on court – there are certain things here to which one can still object – but his attitude off court, which has always seemed to me highly contrived. If you and Loehr are correct, however, then I will have to concede I’ve had it wrong. That’s not important. This kind of radical split in behaviour is extremely interesting. Because everyone has different compartments in their make up, but generally there are doors leading from one chamber to another, as it were. Not so here, it is suggested. That is fascinating.

So, one would be grateful for a reference.

heninN1 Says:


Very nice post,thanx.

I think it comes down the silliness of WTA in the end. They are the ones who caused this scandal and they are the ones who have to be blamed about Shahar’s unjust treatment.

Now they’re just trying to show their “toughness” in order to cover it up. They’re trying to act like a court; they have this unproven and never to be proved claim that diplomatic issues and tournament issues are up to same people, and then, they sentence the tourney for Shahar’s damnification and decide that they have to pay her a compensation.

These guys are so damn good about being ridicilous. They put pen under any deal worth of a good amount of money without taking into account the conditions, facts and any other sort of possible inconvenience, and then, they’re talking about their rules after a scandal. Yeah,nice job !

margot Says:

I know some sports people can be tigers in their sports and pussy cats at home…..but I sure as hell would like Rafa on my side in a street fight….

Henry Says:

Hi Grendel,

thanks for your reaction.

I can vouch for Nadal being the nicest kid around from personal experiences and I really enjoy his competitiveness. The article I am referring to can be found, amongst others, via tennisplayer.net. in their Mental Game section :


I fully understand why some tennis fans may have something against the fist pumping and all the other smaller and bigger rituals. However, once you realize and see that that’s what they are – rituals – I’m sure you will appreciate him much more both as a player and as the man Nadal. I’m not trying to convert anyone because we all have a natural and spontaneous “like” or “dislike” for a player/person. But if I can manage to just let Nadal-‘haters’ (..haters is a strong word, but you know what I mean…) at least see/consider the ‘other’ side I’m happy – for tennis’ sake.

That’s why I have a hard time reading ‘hate’ posts about players or their fans. If we can all just accept and enjoy the mastery of players like Federer, Nadal, Roddick, Murray, Tsonga, Djokovic and many more and accept the personal attraction by fans to one player or the other, then discussions on forums and blogs would be so much more positive and interesting.

Von Says:


You’re very welcome. I also appreciate your taking the time to reply to me.

I agree with some of what you state that people are capable of wearing different hats and/or faces to suit the occasion, and if, as you state, this is Nadal’s competitive MO, then I can only say he’s very adept with the character role switching.

I googled the Jim Loehr article per the following link. This should make for quite a case history study due to my interest in what it is that makes certain people tick more than others.

You stated: “Rafa and Andy are both totally different, but I love them both. Roddick for his quick wit and self-depreciating style. Never a dull moment during interviews/press conferences. And now with his Dubai approach Andy truly is the man of the moment. I hope (also for you) that he will lift the trophy tomorrow and tennis fans will show their appreciation for his solo boycott.”

To see Roddick lift that trophy today would be mahvellouz, absolutely mah-vell-ouz dahling!! Thank you so very much for your good wishes.

I found the following link re Jim Loehr’s article on Nadal which Henry mentioned.


Also, I noticed you mentioned on another thread the Roddick “bunny” handle. I believe Voicemale1’s designation/handle for Roddick was “hapless whipping boy”. Oh well, not everyone is blessed to be a fast thinker, mover with a killer instinct and a ‘winner take all’ attitude. All I ask of my fave is that he gives 100 percent while on the court, and everything else is gravy, for which I’m thankful.

Henry Says:


Thanks and yes, that’s why I have reacted so strongly. You’re absolutely right! The WTA can only blame themselves for letting it come this far. I am shocked at their ignorance and unpreparedness with regard to past and current events in the region and lack of negotiating skills both prior and at the moment of visa refusal. And then when it came this far, the leadership and the players disgustingly took the money first…not even realizing the strong cards they had in their hands as a group of top players without whom the tournament would have been a non-event. Anyway, I shouldn’t repeat myself. My other posts in the different threads speak for themselves.

What do you think Justine and Kimmie would have done?

Von Says:


I believe I didn’t copy the correct article caption. Here’s the full thing, which you can find on the link I copied. One of these days I’ll yet master this computer.

Jim Loehr

Love the Battle: Rafael Nadal
Love the Battle: Pathways to Performing Under Pressure
The Ideal Performance State
The 16 Second Cure: Part 1
The 16 Second Cure: Part 2
Breathing and the Mental Game
Mastering Your Choking Response
From Positive to Negative
In Your Mind’s Eye

Von Says:


I see you have succeeded where I have failed Mazeltov!

“But if I can manage to just let Nadal-’haters’ (..haters is a strong word, but you know what I mean…) at least see/consider the ‘other’ side I’m happy – for tennis’ sake.”

“Hate” is not a word that I use in my vocabulary and I hope you don’t feel that anything I’ve written regarding Nadal is born from a feeling of “hate”. Hate is a very potent and corrosive emotion and one that should be eliminated from our thoughts and actions.

Henry Says:


You’re saying: “I agree with some of what you state that people are capable of wearing different hats and/or faces to suit the occasion, and if, as you state, this is Nadal’s competitive MO, then I can only say he’s very adept with the character role switching.”

As you know today is Oscar day in Hollywood. If there would have been a best acting tennis player award, Rafa would have won it tonight.

On court he really transforms himself into the ultimate tennis player, radiating invincibility. I’m sure you will enjoy the case study which comnpares Rafa with Hollywood’s character actors I’m also sure that afterwards you’ll appreciate this ‘Raging Bull’ a lot more. I have followed and enjoyed many players since their junior years and also Rafa since he won the most prestigious junior U14 tournament in the world as a 13-year-old (Les Petits As). The time he takes during his serves and change overs have all been part of his rituals since his U14 junior years. He does it for his concentration not to annoy his opponents.

And for you and your boy today: Go Roddick !

Henry Says:


no worries… I know you don’t ‘hate’ or write ‘hate’posts and most of those on these threads don’t either. Many just react emotionally or insulted when somebody says the wrong thing about ‘their’ boy or girl… although I doubt after Dubai there will be many that talk about ‘their’ girl. Respect for the girls will be at a low point… Respect for their tennis should remain unaltered, but for their compassion for and loyalty to a fellow player, they all failed to stand the test of true respect

Polo Says:

It is not very often that an individual is given a chance to show good character. An act that will gain you respect from your colleagues and most everybody else. The girls were given that and none up them came up to the plate. It could have been a home run but they all struck out. They would have needed that now that respect for their game is low considering the quality of the women’s games. What a pity. I wonder if any of them would have the temerity to look Peer straight in the eye.

tenisbebe Says:

Von – there is an article in the Reuters whereby the MD of DDF is claiming Roddick is pulling out due to a hernia strain:

I’m not buying it – think this is similar to their saying the Peer incident was security related. Am anxious to see what Andy has to say about it, if anything, in Memphis.

Either way: GO ANDY!!!!

tenisbebe Says:

Not sure what Kimmie or Justine would have done in these circumstances but I have no doubt what Billie Jean would have done had this happened on her watch: She would have walked – no matter if the cost was the loss of a sponsorer (very precious in those early days of the tour). I wonder how she feels now about the stewardship of the organization she worked so hard to establish. One things for certain: her core tenets of fairness and unity among the players does not seem to be that of the current crop of players; instead it is plain dollars & cents. If only she would give them a well-deserved dressing down – I would love to see that!

Von Says:


That article states as follows:

“I have no concerns. We have heard that Roddick was on the start of a hernia. I didn’t hear any other reports.”

That’s a new one, “Roddick was on the start of a hernia”. Does someone know when they are starting a hernia? I don’t think it’s something that calls the patient and says “I’m you’re starting a hernia — a hernia just happens before the patient becomes aware of it..

DDF is just full of it, and lying through their teeth to save face. How is is that Roddick didn’t mention the hernia a couple of days ago. he was very specific as to why he was pulling out of the tournament. Gosh, how low can they go?

Andy said the following two days ago:

“.. because he doesn’t agree with the United Arab Emirates’ decision to deny Israeli Shahar Peer a visa to play in a women’s tournament.

“There were a lot of factors why I should probably go, and obviously having played well there doesn’t make it any easier,”

“The mixing of politics and sports was a big part of Roddick’s decision to pull out of Dubai where he won his second of three titles in 2008. Roddick said he has enjoyed himself when visiting the UAE but was disappointed to see the government make a decision that reflects poorly on a great tournament.”

“I don’t think you make political statements through sports,” Roddick said.

grendel Says:

Von and Henry

The link you both provide is one I also found from Google. But once in, I can’t access the article. Do you have to be a subscriber before you can read the article? Or have I missed something? Don’t wish to take up your time, but if you could tell me what I need to click on once I’m on the site, I would be very grateful.

Von Says:


I didn’t try to get into the site because I couldn’t click on the article. That’s the reason why I copied the whole paragraph. Maybe henry could better advise you how to gain access since I’m not a computer savvy user. Sorry I couldn’t be of more help.

tenisbebe Says:

1st set to Andy!!!!

tenisbebe Says:

I defer to you on all matters medical – if you say it is bogus, I’m with ya! Quite despicable if you ask me – but then in some cultures saving face trumps all. Some other wires are picking up on the story now; will be back if I see anything else.

jane Says:

Good for Andy; he was edging towards a title in all the events he’s played in 09; now he has one. Smile Von.

heninN1 Says:


I really don’t know how they would have reacted. As we’ve seen this week, most of the players, man or woman, didn’t want to get involved. And i really don’t blame them. These things are far more complicated and in this day, athletes are just trying to focus on their performance and results from the cradle, this is what the system orders. The competition is fierce and it’s so tough for these young people to develop a vision about the world and its realities. Most of them don’t have a decent education as well. You have to be a BJK or a MN cuz it takes so much courage since the players don’t have a proper union. Everything is controlled by the sponsors and money, ATP and WTA don’t wish for MN or BJK type of players at the moment. They just want goodlooking athletes who’s hitting the ball hard, without any political involvement. Smart players, it’s ok, but only on court… So, what Andy has done is just incredible and special for the reasons i pointed out. It takes so much character and Andy has it. People can make fun of Andy about getting demolished by Fed or whatever… He’s always been honest and real. That’s why i always liked him. And now he’s just proving his worth.

As an ardent Henin fan, to be honest i don’t think she’d have got involved either. Kim, i think she could have been a little bit more brave but nothing much.

Cheers! And Cheers to Roddick for the title in Memphis !

Von Says:


I heard the commentators talking about Andy’s withdrawal from Dubai and they mentioned that it was due to the political situation there. The guy doesn’t have a hernia. Dubai is lying big time to save face, big time.

I’m smiling big time. Wow, that was some match Step played, but Andy was just a wee bit better on the points when it counted. The presenters gave Stepanek the winner’s trophy by mistake. Step said it was the first time he got the winner’s trophy when he lost. Ha, ha.

Gossip: The commentators said Andy is getting married in April. I wonder if they are confusng the date — he got engaged in April of last year. If he is getting married in April, I guess I’ll be the flower girl. Isn’t she cute! Ha, ha, ha.

Well, the US cleaned up at Memphis in this tournament. Fish won the doubles with Mark Knowles, and Andy won the singles. We don’t have a strong set of players but we do manage to eek out some wins and keep the Stars ‘n Stripes flying.

Our next stint is Davis Cup. Go Roddick, Go USA!!!!

Von Says:

I think Clijsters would have been sympathetic and probably would have pulled oujt. Henin wouldn’t have cared one way or the other.

Henry Says:


congrats with your guy ! He deserves this like no other… and you’re right these guys at DDF are more than full of it, to try and insinuate first a ‘hernia’ and then that he would not have made it to Dubai in time anyway. Just enjoy and forget about these guys in the UAE.

yes, sorry, forgot you have to be a member. They let you sample read articles and maybe this one will show up

unfortunately the situation and attitude you described is very much dominating the sport. And yes Martina and Billy Jean would have immediately shown solidarity and not just talked about it

congrats to you too and like I said to heninN1, no doubt about BJK or MN. Sad, isn’t it and so were Venus’ empty words when she got her trophy yesterday in Dubai

tenisbebe Says:

More on this…. UPI and Google News have the accurate story while Reuters is still reporting the “hernia” story. Funny, didn’t look like he had a hernia problem in his 2 set win for the championship. Ha. Wonder how the DDF will spin it now…..

Congrats to Andy!!

Von Says:


Thank you. I’m so very happy for Andy. He needed this victory!

DDF is so full of it, in many forms. Last year, Roddick played a tournament in the US and then left the US on Sunday late, to fly to Dubai. He had terrible plane connections, which entailed numerous changeovers. With the changeovers, waiting and flying time, coupled with time difference he landed in Dubai on Tuesday, late in the day, suffering from jet lag and sleep deprivation. Additionally, he was unable to practice before his match which was a few hours later on that day. Andy stated that he was lying on the floor of the locker room trying to get some sleep, while Djokovic was kidding around, stepping over him and dripping water onto him. Thankfully, he won his first match. Hence, the yarn that DDF is spinning that he wouldn’t have made the tournament in time, is a lot of baloney — he did it last year, but it’s obvious they have very short memories, so now they are lying to compensate.

There’s something very bad about lying once it’s begun. There’s a need to invent another to cover the first and then on and on — a domino effect. It’s similar to a spider’s web, and it makes me remember that famous quote: “Oh, what a tangled web we weave”. My mom always used to tell me, don’t lie, because a liar needs to have a good memory to cover its tracks. DDF is now in the spider’s web and it’s becoming increasingly difficult to get out.

It would be interesting to see/hear what next DDF will come up with in their defense. It probably would not have been so bad for DDF if it were a player from a smaller country taking a stand on behalf of Peer, but because it’s an American (Roddick) coupled with the freedom of our press/media, the story will spread like a forest fire. they’ll have to engage the services of Smokey the Bear. Ha, ha.

Venus Williams sugarcoats everything she says. I don’t trust both of the sisters as far as I can throw them, which I can’t because they are a lot bigger than I am.

Anyway, DDF is not detracting from Roddick’s win, which I am enjoying along with his other fans. Unbeknownst to DDF, with each new lie, they are making Andy look more like a hero, while tarnishing their reputation. Too bad.


Are you happy and smiling? Hugs to you.

tenisbebe Says:

This off stream sorry. Looked & looked on the web for a link to view a replay of the Tsonga/Djokovic match from Marseille and no luck. Can anyone our there provide me with the address of one? Missed the first set and would like to watch it. Thanks.

Mary Says:

tennisbebe: about a week ago, we were posting about where to find replays. There is not much out there. Did you check any of the forums like menstennisforum(I think I got that right)?
It’s not on the tennischannel schedule.

Von Says:


Try the following link from Lenny per her post. She later mentioned that it’s also FREE. I hope you are successful. I’d like to see the Roddick/Hewitt match. I missed it, and from the soreline, it looked like an exciting match.

Lenny Says:
I’m sure a lot of you must know about this site already, but in case you don’t, check out http://www.t3nnis.tv It’s a tennis torrents site, and they post most matches the day after they’re aired.

I’ve not seen you posting for a while. Sorry your guy Step lost, but he won last week. I’m glad you have such a good memory. I forgot about that link and I’ll check it out myself for the Roddick/Hewitt match. Are you watching the Awards show? Slum Dog Millionaire has won two (20 already.

tenisbebe Says:

this is an aussie site – those guys are hilarious. No luck there…but thx!

tenisbebe Says:

Thanks Von – I will try it!! You will enjoy the Roddick/Hewitt match – and now without the nailbiting.

tenisbebe Says:

Von – there both on there but I can’t get it to play – I am not super tech savvy – sigh.

heninN1 Says:


try this out guys if you need stream. you can follow every tournament week in week out and i mean it. Cheers!

Mary Says:

Von: I’ve been lurking. I am still recovering from all the sexy that filled my computer screen during the Step/ARod match. Besides being sexy, it was entertaining.

I’m so happy that Roddick stepped up with the Peer situation.
I don’t know why this story sticks in my head, but Vanity Fair did a story about the female players way back in 94 or 95. The part that stays with me is that one of the players suggested and supported letting Seles keep her ranking after she was stabbed on court. The other players overwhelmingly shot it down. I wish I could remember that player’s name or if she went public with the vote.

Question: Could Peer have sued the WTA for her being banned from the tourn.?

BJK and MN have come up in the conversation. It is amazing that they still command such respect. After all of these years, it’s mindboggling how they stay in the public’s minds.
Before this happened, I have questioned who will “pick up the torch” so to speak and be a leader on and off court.
I never felt they or Ashe have/had exploit things like race, sexuality, illnesses etc.

Von Says:


I thought the Roddick/Step match was very entertaining and good quality tennis. Both guys played with their hearts and it came down to just a couple of points. I’m happy Roddick won it though.

I wasn’t avidly following women’s tennis at the time of the Seles stabbing so I won’t know who was the courageous woman. Players can request a protected ranking due to illness. It’s been done before, and I don’t understand why it wasn’t done for Seles.

I’m sure Peer could sue the WTA on several grounds, not for being banned though, because WTA is not the entity banning her, but she could sue on other grounds, e.g., misrepresentation of the facts by WTA; she was mislead by them that all was well with her appearance at the tourney; mental anguish that ensued because of the ban, humiliation, etc. Anyway, the question would be, is it worth it? Also, for whatever reason she uses as the basis of her argument, she has to satisfy the ‘burden of proof’ requirement. Can she do this? In the long run it all comes down to “Can you fight City Hall and walk away smiling”? The answer is an emphatic NO. She’d be better off just leaving this situation alone and chalk it up to experience. It’s a good yardstick to gauge whether she has any trusted friends on the tour. I’d say not.

Arthur Ashe was banned from playing in South Africa three (3) times before they finally granted him a Visa to play there. Times have changed, especially when SA specifically wanted Tsonga to play there just a few weeks ago, and paid him a hefty appearance fee to do so.

I’d say MaryJo Fernandez, Mary Carillo, Chris Evert and Tracy Austin are all possible candidates for picking up the torch on the women’s side along with John & Pat McEnroe on the men’s side. Only time will tell….

BJK, Navratilova and Ashe didn’t have the need to exploit sex and race as a criteria for any perceived wrongs done to them — they are icons in, and of themselves, and don’t need the band-aids to cover up any wounds. They are above that sort of thing.


I tried but I couldn’t find the tourneys on that site. I’m even worse than you are. At least you found them. I think there are media player software stuff that needs to be downloaded to replay streams, etc., however, I’m not at all familiar with that stuff. Maybe a personal friend or family member who’s computer savvy, could help you with it. For me, perhaps the Tennis Channel will broadcast the matches at a later date and I’ll be able to see them.

Von Says:


Thanks. Unfortunately, I live in the US and channelsurfing.net doesn’t allow me to access to their site.

heninN1 Says:



what about this one?

MMT Says:

Mary and Von:

In yet another reason to love this lady, the player who supported protecting Seles’ ranking following her stabbing in 1993 was Gabriela Sabatini.

She was the only player on tour to do so. What a disgrace. In fact, ranking protection was instituted subsequently in large part due to the injustice of Seles’ case.

In the end, Seles was given unlimited wildcards to non-slam events in her return to the tour, and Grand Slams were given the option of seeding her however they wanted for a year after the returned.

In those days, seedings were not exclusively based on rankings. To this day, there is still some wiggle room, but the slams are wont to use it.


MMT Says:

Von – I think you’re an attorney, so perhaps you could shed some light – doesn’t it appear that WTA was staving off any legal action by Peer against them by the concessions to her? Rankings points to Peer and cash to her and her doubles partner.

MMT Says:

Oh! BTW – did you see the Best of 5 upsets? They gave an honorable mention to Mark Edmondson beating John Newcombe in the 1976 Australian Open! Newk must still be kicking himself for that.

tenisbebe Says:

HeninN1 – (do I miss Justine!) Have been using channelsurfing site for a while with no problems. Thanks for the ATDHE link – will add it to my list. Unfortunately neither appear to have previous matches available for viewing (I’m interested in Tsonga vs Djokovic) & have had complication with the http://www.t3nnis.tv site that am trying to work out. Anywhere else you can point me for previous matches would be appreciated.

heninN1 Says:


I think it’s almost impossible to find a site or a stream that contains the previous matches. You need to download them from somewhere. Are you aware of torrents or p2p file sharing programs? That’s how i do. Unfortunately, there are not many people archieving the tennis matches, and because of this, even in the file sharing programs, you may not be able to find a Tsonga – Djokovic match, since, the available ones are between Federer, Nadal, Djokovic, Roddick etc. in general. Good luck though!

By the way, there’s a great site for challanger tournaments in states, and it contains the previous matches as well!



Von Says:


Gabriela Sabatini, eh? Wow, you seem entranced by her — could it be that you’re an admirerer of beautiful women? Well, I can’t blame you, she is beautiful.

Now, to the real tennis stuff, here again that data-base memory of yours comes in very useful. I knew about protected ranking, but I didn’t know where the roots began. See, now I know, via MMT, the tennis data-base, that it was indeed the Seles stabbing, and Sabatini’s guts that brought about such a very worthy rule. what a plucky and courageous woman!!

Re: Peer, it seems to me that the WTA is engaging in a sort of bribery ploy here to shut her up, and to stop any further legal repercussions from her. Any time money is offered in lieu of legal action, it’s tantamount to bribery. If Peer is the type that’s vicious, she could take their money, ranking points, et al., and still sue them using a different angle, i.e., for mental anguish and all the psych stuff that ensues from such a situation. As you know, psychological problems are instantaneous, but then further problems arise, and peer could still sue on those grounds. She could let’s say, develop some kind of psychological problem from the realization that none of her colleagues supported her, and whenever she plays in the future that thought becomes her primary focus, preventing her from concentrating on the match — playing against an enemy. If I were her, I wouldn’t compromise my values by taking a penny or any favors from the WTA. I would however, keep them dangling on a string for how long the Statute of Limitations run on such matters, and keep them wondering what actions if any, would be forthcoming from her. This way they’d be walking on egg shells and hot coals where she’s concerned. That action is a lolt more effective than suing.

As I stated previously, any type of legal action is not worth the repercussions that would ensue from an organization as large as the WTA, so why bother. Peer should just move on and leave it all in the past. I’d say one thing, Larry Scott, would never be able to look Peer in the eye without a twinge of guilt, that is, if he does have some kind of a conscience, and her fellow players would have to look away whenever they see her coming. If I were Peer, I’d make it a point to say a very loud “hello” to each and every one of them whenever and whereever contact permits.

I believe again, you’ve missed a couple of my posts to you. I did tape the “5 best upsets’ but the Newcombe upset didn’t register too much humiliation because, as you may remember, I didn’t watch tennis as much as I do now, so that era is a very, very grey area for me. That’s why I need to keep you around to tap into your memory chips thereby filling in the blanks for me, and you do so very gracefully and patiently, covering the minutest detail. Of course, even though I don’t mention it often enough, it goes without saying, how much I appreciate your time and kindness in sharing your tennis knowledge with me. You are a proverbial treasure chest! And, that’s the truth. (Sm) do you remember Red Skelton using that line, and that’s the truth?

I also posted the details for the live streaming of the Tsonga finals in Marseille, but I suppose you didn’t see that post either. It’s become very difficult to keep up with the threads/posts bec ause there are so many of them and so many people posting simultaneously, which means you’re forgiven and have carte blanche forgiveness, period. (’02’); A smiley is needed right here.

Ps: If I don’t see an indication that you’ve seen this post, I’ll point it out to you on the current thread.

Von Says:


Thanks for all of the live streaming links. i do watch ADTHE.net but have not come across anything that they archive matches. I suppose for such to happen they’d need super large computers and that’s an expensive undertaking.

Thanks again.

MMT Says:

Well Von – yes, it’s true – I did have a big crush on Gabriela Sabatini back in the day, but so did everyone that saw her play between the ages of 12 to 60. Actually, I think she looks better now than she did then, but I wouldn’t have though that possible when I was a teenager.

Anyway, I’m really sorry – I’m in and out of the rooms with such irregularity that I often miss posts directed to me. With hot topics like Dubai, they action on these boards is furious and sometimes hard to keep up with.

That said, talking tennis, well that’s what we love, isn’t it? I’m just happy that anyone knows what I’m talking about, because most of my friends don’t follow tennis at all.

As for Mark Edmondson – well, he was one of the 1 slam wonders I had mentioned I felt the TC’s list was lacking, but I went back and looked at the records, and it turns out this man won 4 AO doubles titles, so I want to rescind that assertion. I can’t remember if I included Iva Majoli, but she should definitely be on the list, as should Gaston Gaudio. They never did anything before or after their FO wins. But Edmondson was a heck of a doubles player, so I rescind his “nomination”.

Finally, somehow, given the way he’s shamelessly patted the WTA on the back and given it credit for Andy Ram’s visa, or the way Venus Williams “spoke out” for Shahar Peer, as she took home the winner’s check, I find it impossible to imagine that any of them would have a hard time looking Peer in the eye.

I missed Tsonga Llorda this weekend, but I’m following his progress. I was disappointed that Rafa handled him again in Holland, but he put up a good fight, and maybe if he met him in the final instead of the 1/4 final, he would have done better. I do see a Tsonga type as the only type that can challenge Rafa going forward – an all court player with stamina, patience and independent power. That last bit I think puts Murray out of the running in the long run.

Okay, I’m no longer having trouble sleeping, so I’m off – but enjoy the Dubai if you’re watching it…I myself and am boycotting ;-)

Henry Says:


Sabatini was and is still HOT! And like you I don’t mean this any degrading or typical macho fashion. She comes to the Sony Ericsson Open every year and radiates this sweetness that combined with her raw great looks makes her both a stunning and classy lady.

Tsonga could/would have broken through much earlier if it had not been for his injuries. He’s only a year older than Rafa but started blooming later. He made it to the last 16 in the U14 Les Petits As (Rafa won it the year after). But I’m sure you know he was a very promising junior and amongst others won the Junior US Open. He ran into a young Marcos Baghdatis a few times and sometimes beat him and then lost (like at the Junior Australian Open where Marcos won the title. That’s why Jo-Wilfried did not make it to a year-end Junior No.1 ranking and Marcos did. I both saw and very much enjoyed watching Tsonga in action as a junior many times. If he can stay healthy it will be him and Murray giving Rafa and Fed a hard time at the top, not Djokovic. Keep an eye on young Gulbis and maybe the “new” Marcos (with a better of-court and recovery discipline than before)trying to claw his way back into the top. These two will meet each other today in Delray Beach.

Von Says:


Ooohhh, someone’s been carrying a torch for Sabatini for a loooong time. She is pretty! I saw her at the ITF Class of 2007 Induction, when she was inducted along with Pete Sampras, et al.

I agree that Tsonga is the player to beat Nadal. he’s got the power and stamina to keep up with him. I just don’t understand what has happened to his confidence though, he was so good at the ’08 AO when he beat Nadal, but unfortunately, he hasn’t been able to duplicate that performance. Hopefully, he’ll do it at the FO.

I just watched the Gulbis/Baggy match. I was fortunate to find live streaming — all of the US tournaments are blacked out on TV and national live streaming too. We have to buy live streaming tournament passes to see our own players on live streaming, and we can forget about TV, tennis is unimportant to the TV stations.

I was looking for you at Del Ray, but I couldn’t see you in the crowd. Ha, ha. You need to put a huge sign on yourself, viz., “I’M HENRY”.

Seems like you’ve also been smitten with Sabatini.

OK guys, remember, you can look all you want, but DO NOT TOUCH. Remember what Mom used to say about the stove — you’ll get burnt.

scineram Says:

WTA can and did fine he tournament over visas.

Big Jim Briggs Says:

Dubai is deplorable for this act of hate toward Shahar Peer.

heninN1 Says:

from tennis.com;

“Organizers of the women’s event in Dubai have decided to appeal the $300,000 fine they were given by the WTA after Shahar Peer was denied a visa to play in the tournament. “We don’t see it as quite fair. The rules of the WTA state that the tournament should make every effort to get visas for the players, and we did make every effort,” Dubai Duty Free managing director Colm McLouglin was quoted as saying in the Abu Dhabi National.

There are also plans to appeal the WTA’s directive that the tournament provide its $2 million prize money in advance as a guarantee that it will meet the requirements set for next year. “We are not too happy about that because we have proved that we are good payers in the past,” said McLouglin.”

i think it was pretty obvious that they’d make such a move. And as i said earlier, their cause is politically correct. WTA, take this…

tenisbebe Says:

Wow – interesting. You did call it Henin1. I remember that post.

Nicole Wolfe Says:

Nobody is really talking about why Ms. Peer was not given a visa- the Israeli assualt on Gaza. You’ve got to remember that, unlike western news agencies which were banned from covering the assault, Al-Jazerra was transmitting live footage of babies getting killed, UN sanctuaries getting bombed, and buildings demolished. The UAE was concerned for the the safety of Ms. Peer from outraged Arab citizens. What if Ms Peer had been captured? Since Israel has shown no qualms about killing 1,300 mostly innocent civilians in Gaza, what’s to stop Israel from attacking the UAE and killing 1,300 of their civilians to try to secure Ms. Peer’s release?

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